 that you want to talk about, you can hit Control Plus again and it'll continue to zoom in. And I'm going to escape to get out of that. And let me just eject your flash drive so we can have that back. I don't work out here without it. Yes. People have tried. That's why I like to just make a copy and that way they don't have to worry about it. I've done it a few times. Thank you, I appreciate it. Sorry, we are trying to get it worked on, but hopefully it will be later in the week, not this week. There's a 10-kilometer one here and one at the end here. So it's a good way for the chair to recognize you. We'll send the microphone down your way. The microphones that you're going to be using are battery powered, so we ask that if you don't speak and it's funny to try it off to save the battery. I mean, hopefully they will last. They're powered by a one-night-old battery and hopefully that last two hours, hopefully this meeting will be less than that. We need to be a little closer. Can you pull it out of the stand? You can pull it out of the stand, but you might get tired of holding it. That's why I gave it a chance to shoot it out. Yeah, right now there's a turning on. Test one. Test one, two. Got it? Terioki was not big in your childhood. So if I break out of some carrier, y'all don't be disappointed now. Good afternoon. Welcome to the Durham Planning Commission. The members of the Durham Planning Commission have been appointed by the City Council and the County Board of Commissioners as an advisory board to the elected officials. You should know that the elected officials have the final say on any issue brought for us tonight. If you wish to speak on the agenda, I would like to hear from you. Thank you. If you wish to speak on the agenda item, please go to the table to my left and sign up to speak. For those wishing to speak, please state your name and your address clearly when you come to the podium. Please speak clearly into the microphone. Each side, those wishing to speak in favor of an item and those wishing to speak in opposition to an item will have 10 minutes to present each side. The time will be divided amongst all persons wishing to speak. If you are here opposing rezoning tonight, you should be aware of what's called a protest petition. It's very helpful to those residents who live in a rezoning area. Please consult the planning department staff for any details on the protest petition and they will be happy to help you. You should keep in constant touch with the planning department as to when your case will go before the elected officials for a final vote. Finally, all motions are stated in the affirmative, so if a motion fails or ties, the recommendation is for denial. Thank you. Commissioner Bieland? Commissioner Boyd? Commissioner Davis? Commissioner Guilds? Vice Chair Harris? Chair Jones? Commissioner Huff? Commissioner Lamb? Commissioner Padgett? Commissioner Smudgett? Smudgett? Commissioner Whitley? Commissioner Winder? Commissioner Walters? Thank you. Thank you. I did receive an email from Commissioner Davis today requesting an excused absence and Commissioner Huff may be running late or may be absent. She's out of town, so we'll note that. Do we have any adjustments to the agenda? Good evening, Mr. Chair, members of the commission. Pat Yen with the planning department, no adjustments tonight, but I can't certify for the record that all public hearing items before you have been advertised in accordance with law that affidavits are on file with the planning department. That's not a fact. Mark, thank you. Yes. Can you get a mic? A question about the updated phone numbers, email addresses of commissioners? Yes. She sent them out shortly after that meeting again. So we'll make a note to send you a copy of them. Give me a chance to look for it. Okay. Can we make a note of that to send a copy? All right, thank you. Personal delivery. Can we have approval of the minutes? Ma'am, we have some technical difficulty, so we have to pass the mic. We had an email request from APA asking us to participate in their newsletter. Did that email did anyone want to participate? Thank you. So to answer your question, actually we can move that down to new business and we can come back to it. Yes. Okay, so we'll put that under 6B for new business. All right. So now we can go back to 4, which is the approval of the minutes. All right. So moved and properly seconded by all those in favor let it be known by raising our right hand. Minutes has KS 11 to 0. All right. Thank you. So let's move down to we open the public hearing for Corners at Briar Creek for a zoning case. Good evening. I'm Scott Whiteman from the planning department. This case is despite what it says on my slide is Z1224A, the Corners at Briar Creek initial. This is a initial zoning request for some parcels of land that are proposed for annexation. This is actually fairly common but not something that the planning commission sees very often because back in 2005 the planning commission passed a resolution saying you recommended approval of any initial zoning of newly annexed land in which the proposed city zoning was the same as the county zoning. However, this particular case is primarily in Wake County so that a particular situation doesn't apply. So a planning commission recommendation on the initial zoning would be required. The site is the portion in Durham County is our rural residential and then there's a myriad of zoning districts in the city of Raleigh's extraterritorial jurisdiction. The proposal is to apply an initial city of Durham zoning of rural residential which is the least intense zoning allowed in the tier based on the size of the lot which is a policy for newly annexed properties. It's about approximately 121 acres. Here's a context map of the site. The very northern tip is in Durham County near the recently approved Delaware Carolina Arbor's project. Most of the site is in Wake County which is currently in the city of Raleigh's zoning jurisdiction only. As you see from the aerial map although this site is primarily undeveloped near the fairly intensely developed Ryder Creek area within Raleigh's city limits. So staff does determine that the request is not consistent with the comprehensive plan but is consistent with the city policy regarding initial zoning of newly annexed land. I'd be happy to answer any questions. We have one person signed up to speak. That's Patrick Biker. Good evening Chairman Jones, members of the planning commission. My name is Patrick Biker. I live at 2614 Stewart Drive here in Durham. I'm an attorney with Morningstar Law Group and our office address is 630 Davis Drive in Durham. I'm just here to say that our firm is representing the property owners for this rezoning request and we'll be bringing forward a rezoning for commercial mixed use and multifamily on this 121 acres and we'll look forward to presenting that to you probably sometime this spring. Look forward to talking with you about that. Thank you for your time tonight. I'd be happy to answer any questions. All right. Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak? If not, we'll close the public hearing and bring it back before the commissioners. If we have anyone appear to see any questions. Can we get a motion? Grab you on. Motion that we approve. Ms. Chair, I move we approve zoning case one three zero zero zero two seven. Okay. So we move to zoning case one two zero zero zero two four a. Second. Second by Mr Smutsky. Second it. All those in favor let it be known by raising right hand. Motion has passed eleven to zero. So we'll move down to five B. Fifty four Plaza. Good evening. Amy Wolf with the planning department. This is the zoning map change case one. The second is the zoning plan. The second is Durham imperial investors. The site is within the county's jurisdiction. However, this is also part of a consolidated land use item for annexation consideration as one item. So we've reviewed it under the city's jurisdiction. And regulations. The request is from the existing zoning designation of commercial neighborhood residents. The site is in the suburban tier at fifty eighty two and fifty nine oh four south Miami Boulevard, which is the west side of south Miami Boulevard north of Searle's court and just north of the Durham and Wake County line. And it is bounded on the west side by railroad right away. The request does meet the standards of the commercial general district as identified on this table as well as the associated development plan. Which we'll get to. Here are the existing conditions of the site shown on the development plan. There is some floodway fringe to the rear of the property closest to the railroad right away. There's a site of a demolished house towards the frontage of the site. It is primarily undeveloped and tree covered. The proposed condition shows the standards that satisfy the elements of the development plan. We do have our site access points. Tree coverage area as the asterisks represent tree preservation and then supplemental tree preservation will also be on the site. You'll see a building envelope. A proposal that includes a reduction in the width of the buffer. Which is typical it has to be represented on the development plan to have the ability to request that at the site plan stage. The commitments are a maximum of 33,000 square feet of non-residential floor area. The four site access points, two of them are across access and two are on to south Miami Boulevard, a maximum impervious surface of 88% as well as the tree coverage preservation. The graphic commitments are the access points, tree coverage areas, buffer location and reduction were shown and the roadway improvements as indicated. There's a number of design commitments that satisfy our design commitment guidelines addressed here and the buildings will face the street be oriented to the street. The request is consistent with our future land use map of our comprehensive plan and as well as the applicable policies and staff determines that this request is consistent with the comprehensive plan and applicable policies and ordinances and I'm available for any questions. Thank you. We have four people signed up to speak. We have Brandon White, Jordan Brewer, Sal, Mazzara and Carrie Finley. So you want to speak, you can come to the podium. Together you have 10 minutes. Good evening Chairman, fellow commissioners. My name is Sal Moussara. I'm a land planner with Kimley Hornan Associates at 333 Fayetteville Street in Raleigh. Just briefly let you know that I'm here on behalf of the applicant and I'm here with some members of our development team, our consultant team, primarily to answer any questions. We appreciate staff's presentation. I think they've covered all the pertinent points. At this point we look forward to responding to any questions you may have. I think it's a great project and a commercial corridor that will provide really needed services for this area and it's very consistent with your land use documents. So with that we will just be available to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. We don't have anyone else wishing to speak. I'll bring it back before the commissioners. Do we have any commissioners that Mr. Smusky passing? Is this on? Thank you. So I was wondering if this is for staff or for the applicant. Can you clarify what the proffer is for the bike lane? Good evening, Earl Llewellyn with Kimley Hornan Associates. Just this afternoon we made some clarifications with NCDOT staff regarding this. We are willing to proffer construction of additional pavement along Miami Boulevard that would accommodate a future bike lane and we can work with the wording of that committed element with staff. So then is that going to be across the whole frontage of your property with Miami Boulevard? That is correct. I don't have any other questions right now. Thank you. Does that satisfy the planning department's requirements? Yes, again Pat Young with the planning department. Bill Judge can elaborate but that's what we requested. The proffer that was just made was for the entire frontage. It's been our practice though the improvement is just the turn lane that they have the equipment deployed and it's pretty straightforward to make those improvements and the bike plan calls for it so we appreciate the applicant's additional proffer. Bill Judge with transportation I was just going to confirm that that would resolve the transportation concern listed in the staff report. Thank you. Any other commissioners wishing to speak? Can we get a motion? Pass him the microphone again. No that's okay. Just get a microphone to help us all out. I move approval of case number Z1300021. Second. I'm not sure if that was her. Mr. Chair? Yes. I just want to make sure that motion includes the additional proffer. Correct. Restate your motion and include the initial proffer. Is this on? No. Okay, so pass this mic down one more time. Here we go. Here we go. I move approval of the case number Z1300021 with the inclusion of the proffer that we heard tonight that includes a bike lane across the entire frontage of the property along Miami Boulevard. Thank you. Second. Second. So all those in favor it's been moving probably second. All those in favor let it be be known by raising your right hand. Motion has carried 11 to 0. Just for clarification we're going to recognize anybody who opposed to it. So no opposition. All right thank you. We're going to move down to item 5C. Bethpage Village Revisions. Good evening Amy Wolfe with the Planning Department. This request is case Z1300030 Bethpage Village Revisions. The applicant is John Armick Adams. It is within the city's jurisdiction and the request is to change the commitments of the existing development plan. So our review was limited in scope to just the commitments and I'll go over that here briefly. The acreage of the site is 407.27 acres and the existing zoning district which will also be the proposed zoning district is plan development residential 4.733 industrial light with a development plan and commercial general with a development plan. The site is in the suburban tier. It's in the northwest quadrant of Page Road and Chin Page Road intersection and the existing development plan just for context proposes 1300 units in the plan development residential designation as well as 50,000 square feet of office and 150,000 square feet of commercial. It has three requests. The first is a modification of three commitments which is number three, 13 and 14. The first one, number three is adding that the school the school proffer, donation proffer will be exempt from payment of the fee for what was previously proffered. So they're adding again the exemption not to pay the school proffer for housing that is governed by the housing of older persons act. The second modification of a commitment element is number 13 and they are changing the language for the commitment for some site amenities including the addition of words like active recreation as opposed to usable open space they're proposing a swimming pool instead of a specific type of pool, a junior Olympic pool that was stricken as well as the other commitments you can see here clarifying what amenities will be provided. The third modification of a commitment element is to number 14 clarifying again some of the amenities that will be on the site that will be provided prior to the 500 certificate of occupancy and you can see that the changes are trading out soccer or football field for other amenities. The element and the second request of the proposal is to strike commitment number 15 that's on the existing plan which is to remove protection of the cemetery and provide open space around that cemetery. Again they are proposing to remove that commitment. In its place request number three is to add a commitment the full language of this commitment is in the staff report as well as on the attached development plan but essentially adding age restriction commitment for the residential units in accordance with the Federal Housing for Older Persons Act and you can reference the full entirety of that language it provides an enforcement mechanism as well as timing for how we will monitor that. The request is consistent with the future land use map which designates the site as low to medium density residential recreation open space industrial and commercial and staff determines that this request is consistent with the comprehensive plan and applicable policies and ordinances available for any questions. All right thank you. I have one person one person signed up to speak is Bob Zumwalt. Good evening. Chairman members of the commission I'm Bob Zumwalt with McAdams my address is 2905 Meridian Parkway in Durham and director of planning and design with McAdams I've been involved with this project since initial design back in probably 04 and I'm here representing Reader and Partners tonight and Scott Lay was intending to come but he has a sick wife and a sick kid so he's home taking care of them both just to give you a short history Bethpage 400 acre master plan as Amy mentioned originally approved back in 06 it included the 1300 residential units it was 500,000 square feet of office and 150,000 square feet of commercial due to the downturn in the economy it sort of sat idle for quite a while and now Reader and Partners is pretty excited to have a age restricted home builder step up and want to move forward with about half the community so we've actually already submitted a site plan for 650 age restricted detached lots so about half the residential in the community it was submitted November 12th and we're addressing first round comments right now so in order to sort of adapt this application from what it was originally designed for back in 06 we just want to make the amendments to the text commitments that Amy's mentioned and you know just to quickly summarize one the voluntary school impact not proposing to change any of the commitments for the remaining 600 and some odd lots everything single family town, home, multi-family they're going to still volunteer the same thousand dollars per single family 500 per I believe it was 500 per town house and multi-family 300 thank you Amy. All we're asking for is to add one more category since age restricted housing doesn't contribute students to the school system we just want to have an additional option for this portion of the community to not make that payment second we're just as Amy mentioned just making some modifications to some of the recreational amenities back the first developer who wanted to do this job they originally wanted a soccer field there just hasn't been any demand for that and so this community is going to have the bulk of its residents will be older folks 55 and older and so we just want to add some better options to satisfy the rec we're not reducing the amount of open space nothing like that the third one the preservation of the cemetery in the northwest quadrant of the site you know with further investigation of that cemetery there's one grave out there it's in pretty poor condition and so the developer of the age restricted community just thought that could cause some concerns or be troublesome to a resident who owned a house backing up right to that one grave sitting behind their house so there are mechanisms for advertising and relocating a grave site in accordance with state and local statutes so they just want the opportunity to be able to do that and then finally as Amy mentioned we want to be able to apply the age restricted vehicle trip generation counts to this portion of the community there's no changes to any of the roadway improvements under the zoning they all stay the same it would just allow us to phase them a little more accurately with what type of traffic is generated from an age restricted community which is much fewer peak hour vehicle trips that's all I have I appreciate your time I'm here for any questions and I've also got Earl here from early on from Kimley Horn if you have any questions for him thank you we have a public hearing bringing it back before the commissioners do we have anyone else any commissioners wishing to speak Mr. Harris and Mr. Harrison Smutsky and Gibbs just one question for you are you far enough alone to know what the market value of the unit costs of those I don't know I wish my builder were here this is the way we like they like to feel about this community step up from sort of what the Dell web communities are doing around the community so if you look at what's going on North Irma over in Cary it's just a bit of a notch above that with finishes you know but I'm not sure about the pricing I'm sorry thank you so the first question I had is about the cemetery and there are procedures to follow and there are agencies so that you can contact and we know that there's only gravestone but there may be other absolute yes so they would have to come out and identify all that we would propose to do it to be honest with you they don't even know if they're going to do it yet the proposal we have in front of the on the site plan doesn't affect it at all but it's just we're concerned that at some point it's in the last phase of the project people start going I don't want to live right next to that we want the option to be able to move it to another portion on the property so that makes sense that makes sense and it won't be this group that has to place that the second thing is in the part in was it number 14 where it says one of the following and it'll either be two tennis courts or two bocce courts would the staff interpret one of each to be okay for diversity I mean does it have to just be that or one tennis court, one bocce court or a multi-purpose field and a bocce court sure I understand the question the beginning of it says contain at least one of the following so a strict read would say it would have to be two tennis courts or two bocce courts that would be a strict read and I'm wondering if that's the strict read that you would enforce or would you be more lenient because at the time of site plan which may be several years from now the planning director at that time will have to interpret that provision and so there's really no way to answer it definitively because it's that future planning may be the current one depending on when the site plan comes in will have to interpret that I personally would interpret it liberally and allow it to be one of each but a strict read does say only one or the other I have no way of answering that so choose can clarify here and we'll be happy to accept that if that's desired or acceptable to the applicant what I would say is it's not far off the only reason that whole rec center it's a big rec center this is gonna be like a 15 to 20,000 square foot building the only reason it's not in our current site plan is client design is currently working on the clubhouse architecture but I have the plan in my office it'll be in in a couple months and it's got four tennis courts it's a very big size pool I mean it's so far above and beyond this that we'll have no trouble hitting all of this the most important question I had before my time runs out is about the funding for the schools okay so I think what I heard staff say is that there's a federal program that would that would allow the people not to pay those they're not required they're not required school impact fees for the developer in the original zoning so we're just adding a category so that because the concern originally was look at the impact this 1300 unit community is going to have on the school system so to remedy that we volunteered a payment of a thousand dollars per single 300 per townhouse or multi-family but then the owners of those townhouses and homes would then end up paying the developer pays it well but they would end up paying taxes to the community that would include school taxes right my point is there are a lot of people in this community that don't contribute to the students in this community okay but yet we pay school taxes because we think it's a public good okay and so I have a concern that the people in this new development should be contributing to the public good as well so they are paying taxes right that's correct they are paying taxes and I just wanted to verify that but so I did want to think about this funding mechanism for the school yeah all I would say is the way the commitment is dried it's not really a federal program there's a federal definition to what is an eligibility age restricted community there are certain legal requirements the federal law specifies the plat that goes along with the final recordation of the law they will have to identify the units that are under the auspices of that federal law and if this is approved as written when the builder comes in for a building permit for that lot if it's underapplied under this federal law regarding age restricted housing then there would be no proffer required but taxation would apply just like any other property well okay so my concern is that the schools still be funded I think we are going to have some discussion on that we have the final I mean the thing you cannot have any children that live in this portion of the community according to this type of housing so there will be no impacts to the schools from these 650 units none other than they are paying taxes and not utilizing the schools okay am I on? okay your last statement has kind of confused me which is not not hard to do are all of these all of these units are not going to be age restricted is that my understanding was that part of the development would be for age restricted and then that's right and that leads me to my question which was have you determined yet which of these pods or which pod would be devoted to that type of housing or is it going to be interspersed it's pretty much everything except pod A okay if you are looking at the plan the ones on Chin Page Road A and C those are commercial so right up on the intersection of page and Chin Page the next pod back pod D that's office pod G is residential pod F is residential which is just above the roundabout and then to the west pod E is office everything else is age restricted so everything from that sort of pod F to the north is all age restricted that makes sense and this looks like a good mix of commercial and I'm assuming whatever is going here and this is just my curiosity would these things be to serve not only this community but everybody else the commercial the commercial that was the idea that the only other place to you know get groceries or whatever is you've got to go over to Briar Creek there's really no other grocery shopping really close to here that's not to say it would be a grocery store it's just whatever the market will demand but they're hoping for some sort of local grocery some restaurants or something like that but the housing will start to draw some of the demand for that once it starts moving forward sure and that sort of in my mind a privileged type of atmosphere and I am assuming well I know everything will be ADA compliant and all that with considering the age risk part of the one of the things you guys don't have the benefit of is all the other things that went into the plan years ago some of the other kind of three miles of trails that the project's building so they're really wanting to make this a walkable you know sort of knit together community allowing people to walk up to the village center have you know there's really there's actually another 500,000 square feet of office approved right next door so there's a million million square feet of office just kind of right in here to go with all this residential I know I'm out of time but just one quick question I think I remember in here that that was a bus stop that was will that be along the the commitment that we made was we will reach out to TTA and data and at any time during the entire life of the project that they want want along here we'll build it for them the problem now is there's no bus lines here so it's funny you ask that because today I reached out to our case planner to ask them who I should talk to at data I suspect they're going to say we don't have a need right now but this project is going to be building for probably eight or ten years so every time a site plan comes in we will ask data or TTA do you want stop and if so where do you want it and we'll build it but I would imagine at some point they'll probably want one up at the entrance on page and they'll probably want one I would imagine when the commercial starts getting built probably down by the commercial and then we would do it at that point this is encouraging development I think thanks Commissioner Whitley it was my understanding in reading this that these were impact fees and not taxes is that right the school fees there's no school impact fees in Durham so everyone who lives in Durham County would pay taxes and some portion of that goes toward the schools these were voluntary proffers made during the zoning back in 2006 and half of the development would be they will not be exempt only the senior citizens will be exempt that's what we're asking for I would ask my colleagues to support this measure and I'm ready to carry it get one thank you I have some questions with this question of staff my concern has to do with sort of longer term policy among this commission and among the city in general having to do with impact fees and development that affects the schools in particular and so my question is to staff is could you give the commission a sense of what Durham's current precedents are with respect to these voluntary impact fees have we as a city set a particular policy direction with regard to how these impact fees get established I understand certainly that these are voluntary by the developer and that we're talking about something completely different from taxes I understand that but if you could give me and the other commissioners a good sense of the precedent sure Pat Young again with the planning department as you alluded to Commissioner Lam I think Mr. Zumwalt did to my knowledge there's not any jurisdiction North Carolina that has legal authorization to charge nonvoluntary required impact fees for schools Durham does have authority and does collect impact fees for other improvements including transportation and recreation but there is a long standing practice going back at least 20 or at least 15 years probably closer to 20 voluntary donations for school improvements to directly to DPS associated especially with large residential development such as this one I'll look to staff to look at kind of an average amount it's varied typically 500 per unit so this is certainly a thousand per single family 300 townhouses is in that range there's not explicit policy direction since this is strictly voluntary proffer we don't have a policy direction on that but there has been a longstanding practice and then we really don't have a lot of experience with large scale age restricted communities Dell Web was the first very large one I know there was a few others over the last several years what's the one out on off of Farrington the EPCON Chapelwood and then there's the Culp Arbor and I don't believe any of those types of developments that are age restricted made school proffers so what's being requested here is consistent with practice and there's not any direct policy guidance okay thank you that's exactly what I was after appreciate it okay thank you question for staff which department within the city has the jurisdiction for issuing any citations regarding I guess breaking the age restricted governance yeah that would be the planning department what we would require is a periodic I believe it's yearly certification from the HOA that they're they're enforcing the covenants as as recorded so that that is the zoning enforcement division of the planning department which is under my supervision okay so my question is have as a city have we ever issued a violation for such matter no we again we haven't had any to my knowledge that the first time we had in staff can correct me if I'm speaking specific commitments and on a development plan that directly pertain to age restricted aspect was the web I'm not sure I'm not aware of any others that had commitments that directly pertained to again looking at staff the age restricted aspect there are the age restricted communities but I don't believe that there were essentially specific commitments tied to that like there are for this development and for the web and we certainly intend to enforce the web and it's just the beginning stages there's maybe 40 or 50 homes being under construction now okay so it's uncharted territory for the city of Durham basically it's somewhat is but we feel confident that it's it's enforceable as possible is it possible to be we made it clear to council and I think to the plan commission with the del web project that there's always some risk it's very difficult to enforce against an HOA for example that goes defunct inoperable no longer points members etc but as long as the HOA stays solvent and the development stays viable it's enforceable as anything else we have okay just wonder sir oh okay mr. pageant had a question can you hear me now I'm getting back to the cemetery thing like you said you don't know how many is in there might be one tombstone there may be 20 people in there sure and and they can determine I guess somehow who what where when and all that and I know you talk maybe moving in the later time when doing that there's gonna be some families involved in that I would assume and I guess for me if I have a family member in there my concern is they were there sure that the family chose him to be there and and and I guess the laws protect cemeteries and all things to go with it but I don't know that I want one of my loved ones just picked up move like like a mobile home and that's why hello commissioner smosky we'll give you the mic and I don't know are we taking in consideration the families feelings and thoughts about this and I'm not talking about compensation or check what I'm talking about is how do we deal with the emotions of a mother who has a son or the emotions like I can answer that if one person says they don't want to move we're done we won't even do that's just that's kind of it's to me they're so old that our our belief is probably that there's nobody left who would know but this isn't that important to be honest with you if people here or the council says we don't want you to do this let's take it right off because it's not that important it's just something we want to have the option to do it but if it becomes a problem we'll just withdraw it well that answers my question that's all I want I'm just that was one of them questions that I'm sitting here thinking but I don't ask it yeah and I wonder you know what the answer it almost sounds bad for us to ask it and I knew that going in that's all I wanted to follow up on that. Okay thank you sure. All right. Mr. Whitley. I move that we pass seven I'm sorry I move that we pass Z one three zero zero zero three zero. Second. The moved and probably second by commissioner right hand. Thank you any opposition. Motion has passed eleven to zero. All right thank you. We'll move down to seven no six A any announcements. Mr. Chair for next month there's a series of items related to the Rougemont plan scheduled and one additional in case. All right thank you and another announcement Commissioner there's no longer with us and I've appointed Commissioner Davis I mean David Harris commissioner David Harris to the joint city county planning committee better known as the J. C. C. P. C. Yes another acronym. So that's that's it and he accepted that appointment we're thanking for it and the other one was six B. which was. Commissioner Bynum's question about the publication. Okay I'll pass you the mic and you can restate your question. Or your comment. Oh yes Commissioner Harris is excused at this point. I just wondered if others had received this email from APA and if people wanted to participate or not. So I think we all might have typically this a question to Pat when we get requests like that what is the precedent if you will to participate in things of that sort. Yeah it's a good question it's the first time in my tenure that we've received a request quite like that. We're certainly happy to support y'all coordinate I think that's for a photo and we certainly happy to do a write up that you all could edit or evaluate and we'll be happy to do that. If you like you all certainly work hard and deserve recognition and credit and if y'all want to do it we'll be happy to assist. There's really no specific precedent again I think this is probably I think this my understanding is this kind of a new initiative by the planning association to highlight the work of citizen planners such as yourselves. Okay. Thank you do we have should we have any discussion on that move forward do we not. Yes I'm open to it. Okay. For me I think anytime somebody reaches out from the outside looking in trying to figure out it can't do anything but help us kind of spread the message of what any planning commission throughout the state does so we have an organization that is interested in what planning does then I think we're kind of now we have to but I kind of feel obligated that we are of public interest and we are public servants we have that request I think we we probably really need to look at that whether it's one group photo or whatever it might be so I hold hardly support that so whatever we can do to make it happen I'm with it. Thank you any other comment on it. No so what we'll do is I can get a motion as a group as to what we're doing and we'll either do it all or we'll not do it at all so we can get a motion and perhaps have a vote on it if we don't have any other further discussion on it. I'll make the motion that we go ahead and do that. Okay so moved in a properly second all those in favor let it be known by raising your right hand one oppose. The motion is care at ten to zero. Okay so I'll reach out to the author of that email and just tell them we agree to it and if there's anything in particular that we may need to do prior to doing it. Anything else? No? Yes sir. Now we're not giving we're not going to put anything in the newsletter that we have not endorsed before the public. Correct right so based on how I was playing out in my mind and kind of what Mr. Young's alluded to is any write up concerning the planning commission will be approved by all members right to my knowledge they have they were not asking for individual interviews. They just kind of want to do a spotlight on the Durham City County Planning Commission no problem. Makes sense. Alright thank you so anything else if all hearts and minds are clear we'll go ahead and adjourn thank you.