 Wel, ymlaen i'n trofi TV. We've got Kane in the studio, home and away Kane, as he's known. Wel, it's something that has been to bams in the round, I will say for certainly the last few weeks. The atmosphere at Gwdyswn Park, obviously you were part of the original trying to make it better and stuff. Me and Pedd have had discussions about it. I just thought it would be interesting to get your view, not only on what Gwdyswn Park and what happened with the original and how we could improve it, but also because you go to every way game and you can also, as opposed to compare what other crowds are like, as opposed to what were like at Gwdyswn. Pedd's very vocal on them putting real seating in for the last couple of years at Gwdyswn. Whether it happens or not, we don't know. And he has been very vocal with that, but just on Gwdyswn Park as an atmosphere compared to other grounds. Is it similar to other grounds or is it bad? People say that other grounds in the Premier League are quiet, but I disagree with that personally because we go to Villa, Laid, Wolves on Monday or Be Laid, Bleed, and that was the first game for them and everything like, but that's a large place, hostile place to go to. United they got the singing section. Got two singing sections now I think. And like I said to you before, they were two down against Atalanta the other day. We'll come back in one, three, two, and then Ollie's saying, oh, fans want to start going. Just little bits like that. Listen, I more for like, I do kind of agree with like fans who say, oh, I had to get behind the team when playing bad on that like, but I just think there should be a section in the ground by trying to keep the players going. Do you know what I mean? That's what I wanted to, like as a group, we wanted to do it first. We just wanted to make Gwdyswn like a positive place to be because at the minute I go the game and I don't look forward to it at all. I haven't looked forward to going the game at Gwdyswn for a very long time. This is why I love going to your way games because you feel like you're the minority. You know it's a bit of a sing-song. It's a good day out. You make it a good day out, but at the minute of Gwdyswn it's just like you get to Gwdyswn, you sit and you sit. You'll have your pie and then you watch shite. So, and then you go on and then you just sit down. I go to the pub too, but lately I've just switched off with the on-games. It pains me to say that because I've got three or four years left. These last three or four years we should be looking at how we can make Gwdyswn the best it can be to make sure it gets the best send-off. I'm not waiting until the last season to do that. Where will we be in that last season? I'm sorry. I don't want to sound over-traumatic. You never know with football. Do you know what I mean? We should be starting to put things in place now. The thing about it is technically we've only got two and a half years. If it all goes the way we want it. The simple fact is, right, so we have a year of no football and everyone's buzzing, can't wait for Gwdyswn. It's going to be amazing, blah, blah, blah. We come back and it took two games for it to go. The atmosphere, you're back to normal now, we're all back to normal. Doesn't that tell you that something fundamentally needs to change? Every weekend you're there on social media, the atmosphere is terrible, why don't people sing? Why don't people do this? Why don't people do that? Number one, it's very hard to complain about a general fan base, isn't it? You're going to match. I went the game on Saturday. GT4, all on the feet during the game. The Santa Gets on, blah, blah, blah. Some work, some didn't. It's just the way our fans are now. The condition to sit down, the condition to get in the game, you know, and just go and sit down and do very little. I understand the club don't have to do anything, but I don't understand what's going on with it, because you were part of the originals, you tried to do something. Just tell us about your experiences of what happened with the originals, because I just find this embarrassing. So basically, I didn't make the originals. There were other lads who made the originals who were still part of the group in that. What happened was the point of the originals was to improve the atmosphere of God, because they were making the match more enjoyable for fans. We asked the club if we could have our own little area, and fair play to the club did that for us. First, we're not going to get a big section straight away. That's how it works. There's so many seasons that are older to God. And then we were given our ideas to the clubs and meetings, different ideas that we can make God us some better for the fans, make it introduce the sarn, for the dab, and what happened from then? It was bouncing. That last few home games that season, bouncing. I'm sorry, but the atmosphere, we're interested in Liverpool, we beat Arsenal 1-0, we beat United 4-0, we got good positive results in Chelsea 2-0. Chelsea 2-0 on the floor. It's quantifiable. So the season after that, we sorted the section and everything, and then it was worth it at home. I think it was silver second season, and we were all standing up ready at the GT8, trying to get it going in that. It was good basement in that. It was a bore kick-off centre circle, people started it down, and then all of a sudden loads of stewards come over, sit down, sit down. You know what we're here for, what wasn't nasty on the front of them, and what it was was, well, if you don't sit down, you get arrested and throughout. And this is why, by the way, GT4 stands up. That's what most of the lads were like. We were definitely saying to the stewards, we were saying GT4 stands up, what's the difference with GT8? Why can't we stand up? And then after that, from that it just went kind of downhill, because you've got fans behind us saying sit down and kind of getting laughed at in a way. We were just trying to sort something to improve the atmosphere of Goddison in that. And then from when people are seeing us, getting told to sit down, like the first few home games of that season, we ended up just getting laughed at, and it got turned into a laugh and stuff. I'll admit that, what it turned into, but that come from the club, because it was like we got led on, in my opinion, because, like for example, we were giving all these boss ideas and we growled the group, and we changed Goddison, it was all built to go to Bramleymore, and then the first game, you need to sit down or you're getting arrested. And you've got people from the club watching us. We still have to this day. I might be wrong, but it feels like we are getting watched. No, but you're at the time, you're the legitimate people watching us, part of the family age watching us to keep an eye on the group and you're getting told to sit down and I know you're not supposed to stand up at the match, but loads of people do. You go away from home now, you see the cop stand up, you see when you go to city both side have the away and stand up, Villa, the whole tent stand up, Chelsea, what's the stand called, the Chelsea, the shed end stand up. So the legislation's being changed and this is part of the reason why, we went to Jamie with John Darsh, John Darsh has been going on about it for years, basically saying it's not safe to stand up at a match, so let's put rail seating in because that's the whole point of rail seating. They've changed it, from January it'll come in and yet Everton, again, refused a budge on it and I just think it's at the... I honestly, he can give me as many excuses that he wants, I'm not buying any of them and I tell you why. At the far end of Goodison, we've got the disabled area, right, but the Attu, the Attu by-law of the Galaxy, I understand that and they put them at the park end as well and along the main stand. In fact, there's too many that are needed, but you've got to have somebody by-law. I get that, so they move people out of the way for that, right? They move them out of their seats, right? I'm not having, but you can't do that for a single section. GT4 is already there, right? Right next to me and I imagine if you ask most of those people in there, they go, yeah, let's move it. Now I understand there's different reasons why doing it in January couldn't happen because you'd have to probably do something with the Gladys Street so that because the back end is really low. You'd have to make, you'd have to mess around with it. I appreciate that. Or you could put it in an area where you didn't have to mess around with it, but the fact that they just go, we can't do it, is to me, is nonsense because other clubs will have it and this idea of, well, we'll have it a brand-new more. So what? What did you put all those lounges in for? You know, you didn't have to put them in or they're to show people what brand-new more is going to be but do it with safe standing and do it with rail seating. There's no reason they can give me this because anything can be changed, anything. And if they got a name and started planning now for the Gladys Street for the summer, for the last two years to make Gouldersun amazing because for me, like you just said, an atmosphere can make the difference in football matches. We've seen that. An atmosphere and changing again is, it's quantifiable. Every win is worth money. Every position is worth money. They go on about these things and the fans and all this. They never put it into action. It's all lip service, it's all nonsense. Do they really want us for the next two years watching, which probably will be quite dull football. I appreciate that. But do they want us as fans just sitting there because all what happened is, next season the prices are going up. So basically they've got you on the hook because they want us all a brand more, we all want to be a brand more. So they've got you on the hook and what the base is saying is prices are going up, nothing will change. Well that's just the way it is. What it felt to me what the originals was, just to take in a box at the club. Take it off, we've done some engagement with the fans, we've listened to their ideas. That's what it'll be, a yearly thing of what they do and then they'll put it all in a powerpoint so I don't know if they do it like the AGM and stuff like that. Or we did this, we work with the originals blah blah blah but really they haven't, let's be honest. No. And you mentioned then about about the rail eating getting done in January where COVID happened, lockdown I wrote well I took ideas from the group because at the time I've got 200 people who were willingly wanted to join and me and a few other lads tried to do that on back and it was around, I think it was April last year and I wrote out a massive letter to Denise Barrett Baxendale no reply and then got a phone call about two or three weeks later I'm not going to mention his name but somebody who works at everything I really appreciate your idea and stuff but we just can't do this at the time being so I was don't get me wrong, I'm not having a go but I have more respect for the fella who rang me up at the time because he did but I would have appreciated a response from the above rather than getting work done what it felt like when we had meetings with them one day you're working with a certain person the next day you're working here and so on it's like it's like you're getting passed around basically and the reason was because I said we need Vail seating for GT8 if you want atmosphere to where fans need to be stood up because you can't create atmosphere being sat down like what the original suite of the other week and what the reason was was I said you've got no fans in the stadium so why don't you do that now wow you can still play the football what's going on in GT8 if you have to rip stuff out and do whatever with it you know what I mean it just didn't happen we can't do it something about money too I said back what about the lounge you should have done before they've got they've essentially got at the end of the season three months to do it I appreciate for somewhere like the Gladysly changes because obviously if you're I don't think you could have rail scene all the way to the back of the Gladysly so it would come up with you would have to have some kind of change but honestly money can make things happen you could have like where you were in the corner there's a gap at the front there you could have say an amount of air I just think if you really wanted to do it you could do it I still think where the disabled section kind of was because they've made the facilities really good now in front of the main stand on the back of the park that empty in the Gladysly for me that section is just a waste put it in there now listen there might only be 50 rail seats and people might go watch the point then but the point is you're putting say like 50 it could be more I don't know but I'm just saying but if it was 50 50 originals in the Lads who want to sing and stand up and then 50 people can make a lot of noise which can then ripple along there on the ground but that was the thing coming behind GT8 but what I'm saying is because they were still using the editor was still using that but they're not using it now so rather than being up at the back put you at the front there and start singing 50 off you're bouncing them down in that corner it's going to make people start singing both sides and it'll ripple along you're absolutely right that you could do that through the summit I'm not an expert, I'm not an architect I don't know what tread depth and all of that would be but I'm quite sure you could do the survey because it's all the wolves have put it in Liverpool have put Liverpool, I understand they haven't been trying to go hand in hand with them because of Hillsborough but Liverpool are doing it I think it's this season or in the summer I'm not trying to evidence you'd have to redesign the whole ground but you could put a small section in I think Chelsea kind of redesigned beyond the goal because there was a game that started the game so they had to close the section of the ground because it was still getting done up and I think it was like I don't know what it was about but they had to redesign the stand in order to put the rail seat in it and that shows it is actually possible but you know what though if it is impossible why don't you come out and tell us I think it is, that's why the thing about it is if it is impossible if it is impossible then tell us it is impossible and tell us why but for me it's just the simple fact that this football club at the moment nothing matters until we move to Bramleymore we've got two years left of gooderson this season is nine games 29 more Premier League games to play so it's not like we're in March and you're going there it's true let's be honest the season is only it's not even a quarter of the way to last time on Monday I honestly I've gone in this season and I've gone in early for a lot of games because of Covid situation they don't even put the tellies on in the glasses anymore I was in there at 2 o'clock on Saturday and there's a game going on and there's nothing on the telly and I know that might sound super but I've gone in there early and I'm thinking to myself I've been in here because you've asked me to get in there early I'm literally going to be standing there now for the best part of 45 minutes just doing nothing or going outside and sitting there and doing nothing it's just that she's leaving for a game on the telly for me to watch or sharing helping doing the pre-match on or anything I don't get why dad isn't on too if you can't get the 40 on that's your channel it's your channel it's mad isn't it it's just daft it's just decided when see you night it pre-season and in the league this year £3 a drink and it's like why don't you think about getting like happy hour stuff in get the aisle cheaper you get fans in and then there you go and then you might have a few people in there they've had a couple of beers and you start suddenly they feel a little bit more able to start singing songs and that's why people are always getting into Godderson late now because the fair place they want to have a drink on county road and if Everton put the prices down it's just decent beer in Godderson which kind of looks like it's impossible going to the club Oh yeah it's impossible Everything's impossible Everything's impossible Everything will be sad Only got like another two and a half years to go Money wishing your life away till we get there I bet you'd be getting in touch with all of us going oh you know about that original because I haven't spoken to the club for God knows how long now but there's other lads who keep in contact with the club This is where people fall out with football clubs and don't go back and when you hear the prices are going up I don't agree with that I just think it's wrong personally because you talk about all with this club and we freeze to take the prices every year and so on but for me you stay with what you say you don't go all randomly fair till last season of Godderson or we'll stick the prices up now That's just perfect You need to practice what you preach They've got you on the hook now because they know there's no way you're giving up your season today because you know that you've lost your want to brand more than You need to stop talking and don't think about oh yeah we freeze to take the prices where the people's club, the not the people's club not the people's club anymore to be honest you never have been The problem for me is that there's not enough people at that football club at the very top who want evidence to be number one and that's the way it is and I don't think you can ever really progress until you've got people who want to be number one I don't care about Man City having 100 billion Newcastle having whatever billion everyone of evidence bearing desire should be to get us to the devil's club When they were changing I spoke to some people at the club and they were asking for ideas and to do workshops and this kind of thing and they did seem genuinely engaged in trying to get the atmosphere sorted But in their terms You didn't cover that? No I don't but the point being is that you cover coming and sort of and I understand all that but you're in a situation now where you've got a fan base that is not united and part of that is because a lot of them won't take to the manager so straight away you've got divides and they're looking to settle the fan base down and offer them things that they want and try and make the atmosphere Surely Michelle is there on Saturday Surely you must look at the crowd and go This is not very good and the problem is when it's quiet you can hear every moan when it's quiet you can hear every moan So when we go behind against West Ham but when we went behind on Saturday there wasn't this you know come on because the fans are just like and I know you have all these people we don't want it manufactured and not being funny what you want because good or some park is reactive and I accept that definitely so that means that if you're not in a good place you need people to get it going and I'm not asking for this thing being manufactured if you've just decided to put a bunch of lads and girls who want to sing in one section that's not manufactured that's just organisation the different things it's just organisation flag on the sheet and the song sheet exactly the thing is though this group people said we don't want to do this we're not asking everyone to get involved do you know what I mean but they will get involved if you start something but you're always shy you're always go like when a white ae comes you go well deaf, Andrew brilliant man you can beat people I started and I didn't even answer your first question because people say about the way when we go away right people say oh it's quiet when you go away the whole man but in my opinion it really isn't I'm more interested in the away end then and the way end is always laugh so how because we're always in a man or a team we always want to make our voices there so everyone who comes to go does the same in the game we'll go deaf fans are brilliant and see if from other fans going I'll have a brilliant man and then it's like well I'm going then 3000 people are in Godderson every other week so we put 50 people who go away I'm just using and they won't be people who go away you put them in that section in the corner of the street and they start 50 people and then every one month we know that when the footage crap it's hard isn't it but if you were a constant thing people would probably say to this video now where have you been the last few months then why haven't you been singing to be honest mate I feel better what's the point I feel like what's the point would you and the group be energised and they wouldn't say anything there's nothing else listen what we're going to do in the summer I'm looking at Godderson there and I can actually see the section right in the corner where it should be but look at the other side see where it is see where the walkway is that goes out if you were at the front right away to that barrier you could probably get 50 people in there like with rail seats you're in the corner you're closer to the pitch the players are there so if the club said to you next summer we're putting 50 rail seats in and that's for you get your group who are going in it and let's do something about it now if your banner's getting in that corner you'd be like oh my god it's going to be boss that's all we want to do though all we're doing is we want to make Godderson good again and we all want it everyone wants it Pead said before and it's dead important if that cost £2 million to do it wouldn't say it's a million quid that's what it is if everything finished one place higher because that Godderson the atmosphere is intimidating that's something like £1.2 million so your money's back and you've got this thing if that crowd is making it hostile never finished three places higher it's like 5, 6 million quid the clubs are making money by helping themselves at the moment at the moment like I was just saying it feels like I just feel like what's the point anymore because it's just like you probably get people just telling us that I have a sit down or probably laughing at us but all we want to do is make Godderson loud again and you want the atmosphere to be good and I had and we did have 200 people again and I had spreadsheets going on and everything with all the details of where they sit and we were going to send it to the club and then Covid happened and since Covid happened you had silence what's the point in trying to get in such a good mood and there's that rail seat because everyone will be made up for it and that's why it should be happening now if it's there, people would say it should be put in practice now you know why we need to because we as a fan base need to put pressure on the club so that when the ribbons cut on David the capacity isn't 52, 8, 8, 8 it's 55 or it's 56 because they're already under selling us with the capacity that isn't big enough and you know what's sad I can't wait to leave the club genuinely I can't wait honestly I've had people ask me the last game I can't wait for something new I can't wait to go to a game but there's actually something to do before the match and there might be something to do before after the match I can't wait if the atmosphere isn't sorted it'll still be quiet the new ground don't know and then it'll go back to style with rail seating though too but you've got to create a culture that's what I'm trying though if you get the group sorted and then you grow the group you put them in a place for Bramley more that's how you create the atmosphere but if we haven't got the group going and we've got no connection with the club you can't change people because you'll have people in the rail seating who then don't want to create the atmosphere and then it'll be like the garden seating and you have as well but we went to Dortmund and it's just their older section it's only got 250 people in and their ground's old when it's one to two with the standing it's something like 80,000 in the signal of doing a party 250 get 80,000 singing it just makes me laugh and that's the thing though it's mad though isn't it so 50 would get 39,000 people would come bus off the fans abroad and then when people try and do it in England it's like we'll soon see because it's coming in this is not a party in the sky rail seating is coming in January add a lot of clubs and we'll be one of those clubs we won't have it and other clubs will be like it's amazing look at this and it's like it's not this is not a party in the sky this is a real thing and we won't have it we'll have a club in our city that's got it so but you know what I want me hands up now though I won't be getting in touch with the club someone else can do it honestly they'll pet right it felt pointless at times and you get past their hand it's sound that first few weeks are to go talking to them in that first few weeks and you get past their hand but never forget though King never forget ever with the first team to sell tickets so no matter whatever happens we've always got that we've always got the first team to record to have a podcast never forget those details keep those details it is it's embarrassing though really it's embarrassing it's go before we get ourselves into it I just feel like though watch the point do you know what I mean the next step will be the football doesn't improve then people will start disengaging the actual match the experience it's crap let's hope listen they might change the mind they might be amazing might have rails seating in that seating next year and you'll be in the middle of it giving it the big one you know you never know there you go players know what you think in the comments section below there has been lots of discussion over the atmosphere go through some part we all enjoyed a match the most when you're sitting there and you can't hear yourself thinking it translates to the team on the pitch like barely a few weeks ago when we scored them goals you want that all the time let us know what can the club do can't should it let fans have a rail seating section to start the atmosphere let us know in the comments section give the video a thumbs up subscribe if you haven't if you want more daily videos why not be a python the link is in the description see you later