 night's clubbing, going to the gym and gathering in large numbers as the federal government reintroduces COVID restrictions. The measures include a nationwide midnight to 4 a.m. curfew. The presidency admits that there was an attempt to boggle the residences of the president's chief of staff and an administration officer within reach of the state house. And the state of the nation unsettles many groups and persons around the country. The spokesman of the Northern Elders Forum, Hakim Baba Ahmed, will be here to examine Nigeria and its future. And talking about the state of the nation, a conflict reporter and researcher will be joining us to discuss the pictures of terrorists running a pseudo government within Nigeria and what it means for the country. Welcome to the breakfast of Blast TV Africa. I am Annette Felix. Good morning to you. Good morning, and I am Osaugi Ogbo. I'm bright and early on a Tuesday morning looking forward to all the goodness that should come under in the next two hours. Lots of interest in discussions this morning and we hope that you stick around with us and enjoy all of it. Good morning, Annette. Good morning to you again. How are you? I'm pretty good. How are you? Hungry as usual. As always. I'm not even sure why because only happens when I eat really late at night. But last night I did it. I still woke up starving this morning. Well, you're rich and famous. You have an in-house chef that you can wake up at 5 a.m. and say, I won't pound it. Yeah, I'm going to go to the soup. I need to be ready in 30 minutes. That would be great. Fantastic. What's exactly not great this morning is the news that a bogglary attempt, you know, in Asurakau, the Batsi White House, has been confirmed. At first when we had this news on, you know, May 9 Sunday, that there was an attempt to, you know, boggle the houses of the chief of staff or the aides, you know, to the president, Ibrahim Gambari and Abubakar Meikano, which sort of was fake news, especially since Bashir Ahmed denied this. You know, we have quotes from him saying that this is definitely fake news when this, you know, came out online. He basically debunked the information. But we've seen confirmation here from Gaba Shehu who said the attempt to boggle the houses of Ibrahim Gambari, chief of staff, was a foolish one and that this occurred around 3 a.m. in the morning, but that it was unsuccessful. We're hearing so many news right now. First of all, Bashir Ahmed said it was fake news and never happened. Then Gaba Shehu went on to say it was an unsuccessful attempt. But the reports which he last confirms that armed robbers or bogglars indeed, you know, boggle their houses, totally ransacked those houses, cut it away with money and other valuables. So we don't really know what to believe right now when even from the government there's just two sides, you know, to the story. But that's really what we have here. And, you know, with the saying there's no smoke without fire. Many Nigerians believe definitely that the armed robbers were successful. No one has been arrested yet. You know, Gaba Shehu confirmed this. There's been no arrest, as they would usually say the police is on top of the matter investigating the situation. But it has raised fears that if the most fortified location in Nigeria is not exactly safe, what happens to me and you? You know, some people live in houses without even gates or high fences. So what then happens to us? If, you know, people can actually sit down, put one and two together and successfully launch an attack or a bogglary attempt and even go ahead to steal money and develop items. Well, it's the first of all, I have no idea what the Asovila looks like, what the whole of that compound or that space looks like. I've never been there, but I can imagine that it is extremely difficult to get into. I can imagine that you have to go through numerous security checks before you get to certain places. You know, maybe there is a couple of gates before you finally get to the villa. I have no idea. But for you to, for a burglar to get that close to the Asovila or get that close to where the president leaves and get that close to the chief of staff and even have the guts to break into any of their houses, that takes it takes a lot of guts, you know, to try that and, yeah. So, you know, there will be obviously there would be at first denials is being the same format with the current administration for a long time. You know, at first there's denial and then then, you know, there's now acceptance, but, you know, a way to rewrite the story and say, OK, well, we accept. But it wasn't really the way it was described or whatever. But it's still obvious that something did happen. You know, either it was successful or unsuccessful or successful and just a little was taken or a lot was taken. Something did happen and then it makes you also question. And that's one of the things that you brought up, you know, who then is safe? If there's people who can take, you know, those steps or bold enough to take those types of steps and what type of security really exists in Asovila. Shouldn't there be cameras? Shouldn't there be an alarm system? Shouldn't there be some things that should make that place extremely safe for the chief of staff to the president? If anyone can get into that residence, it shows that they have some level of access that can lead from the chief of staff to the president himself. So I'm just really, really wondering what type of security or level security really exists in that residence? You know, and what next? You know, will those people be caught? Are they people? Are they staff of the administration? Are they staff of the security network in the administration? Are they, you know, maybe cleaners, drivers? You know, people, I have really have no idea because I don't think anybody would be in that premises or around Asovila for any reason, if you don't have direct business with the presidency or with the presidency's aides, no random person just walks in there to sell Kulikulik. Definitely, access, access definitely was a key factor in this, you know, attack, so to speak, or bogglary attempt. You're not going to find any random guy or girl just in that place, you know, walking around selling Richard cards or anything, you know, every single person who crosses that gate who gets that close to, yeah, yeah, I get that, you know, but every single person, I believe, who crosses that gate. I'm sure it's even difficult for press to get into that, you know, that place. So any single person who gets there must have had some level of security clearance. They didn't jump the fence, you know, they didn't come from underground. And so if they have the guts and they have that level of access to get that close to the presidency, they say, you know, the house is on the next street to Asu Vila. I have no idea what that place really is like. I'm guessing it's some large expanse of land and then there's different estates, different streets, even buildings. But if you can get that close, it doesn't tell a good story. And it's the first time in Andrea's history. I've never heard of this ever. See, I think what's shocking for me is the fact that according to the news we saw from the People's Gazette that the chief of staff had to run away, had to abandon his residence. The chief of staff. Well, snakes, rats, there have been different reasons why the people have abandoned that place. The president at some time couldn't stay or couldn't work from the villa because it was the rats or snakes. I'm not sure what it was. There was some time. Do you know how many Nigerians live with rats? Well, yeah, that's that's what we are. You know, I'm just saying it's really embarrassing because it's the first time that that kind of thing has ever happened in Andrea's history. And if those people aren't caught and if there's no official statement to say these are the persons they have been caught. This is who they were. Then it's it's it's it's not a good look, you know, for the presidency. It's not a good look for the security of the villa itself. Nigeria is a different story. It's not a good look for the security of the villa itself and how much access people have random persons that don't have a clean record that could commit crimes. Imagine there was somebody in the house. Imagine if a staff was in the house and those burglars, you know, they're a bit to not get caught, harmed him. Just imagine it could have gotten a whole lot worse. So anyway, anyway, moving on to plan B, right? Yes, absolutely. Pastor Paula DeFarasing over the last I think was over the weekend on Sunday service, you know, made some statement with regards. Nigerians making a plan B and according to him. Yes, you might have faith, but he also has faith and he also at the same time has a plan B and he's referring really to Nigerians having another option as a size Nigeria, having some other place that they might seek refuge if the country gets too insecure for them. And in a street palace, Jaqba? Yeah, absolutely. You know, and some people have criticized it and said, oh, you know, oh, it's only for the rich, you know, if you only reach people that can have this type of options and stuff like that. But I think it's it's really just paints in a picture for me. It's a picture of what the mindset is like for millions of Nigerians. Those who are seeking refuge outside Nigeria because of, you know, better career options, looking for greener pastures. Those who already have that fear that at some point this security issues might get too hot to handle. And in order for them to save their lives and the lives of their family members, they need to go somewhere else. They need to have an option. Maybe do our citizenship, maybe enough money to book a flight to Ghana or to some other country. Maybe, you know, a bunker on the ground, maybe also run to the village. But it's the mindset that a lot of Nigerians have had. And more often than not these days and in the recent times, it's not in such a greener pastures. It is to save their lives. Seeing what has happened in the last, you know, long while, last couple of months and years. Really. And yes, we do have footage of, you know, of Pastor Paul Adifarasi, you know. So let's let's listen to him in his own words. Christ, I bring you greetings from Pastor Ifai, who's busy taking care of a frontier of our world and preparing our escape routes. If you don't have a plan B, I know you have faith. But I have faith to, but I have a plan B. And with technology, I can speak to you from anywhere in the world. Get yourself a plan B, whether that's on a cutter to come a room or a flying boat or speed boat, as we call them, to semi-border or, you know, a hole in the ground, a bunker. Get a plan B, because these people are crazy. They're nutters, the whole bunch of them. And wait and watch the signs because it can happen like this. Pastor Paul Adifarasi, you know, telling his congregation to get a plan B, even though you might argue, maybe he was just kidding. He was just joking. He didn't mean it that way. But the reality is that lots of people are traveling out of the country. I overheard a conversation just yesterday or so over the weekend about how someone was telling, you know, other people around that, you know, he got a call from his friend's mom who told him that, oh, my my daughter has traveled abroad. I was very happy when he asked about the country. If I remember, there was Libya and she had gone by road. So lots of people are brave in the journey to go by foot, illegal migration. Lots of people never make it alive. We hear reports all the time from, you know, IOM, International Organization for Migration, how many people die at sea, how many people die in the desert, you know, just how many people's boats and dingies, capsized, not many people make it alive. So even for people who don't have the money, you know, they still brave it. And funny enough, let's let's even look at the other side and really look at this objectively. When people say they do not even have the money, you want to travel abroad, you don't have the money to go legally. Go and find out how much, you know, these traffickers charge for you to cross the road as much as 800,000 Naira. If you can gather as much as 800,000 Naira, I really don't want to jump into conclusions as to say, OK, whether you can go and start a business or you can just, you know, keep saving to go legally. But I just feel that that money, really, it's quite a sum for you to say you want to now take 800,000 Naira, which is a lot in this economy to now sacrifice your life because there's no guarantee that you'll make it to the other end, you know, to Europe safe and sound and get a career. Some people get over there, they become slaves, they become house help. The organs are vested. Some of them do end up being successful. But illegal migration never is the route. A lot of those funds, like you mentioned, 800,000, it's not necessarily from anyone saving. So a lot of them are from family contributions, donations, you know, people, you know, whatever they can. Yeah, but what I'm saying is if you can actually pull those funds together. Yeah, but the thing is that there's a difference between migrating for greater pastures, looking to go to Europe to see if you can have a better life than, you know, the Anglo-Passo-Pola difference is coming from, you know, he's talking now, not because of great pastures, but because you need to have another option of a place you can run to if Nigeria, you know, continues the way that it's going and if things get totally worse. It's a find for me because would you say this is a greener pasture? It's not necessarily, you know, for you. But for me, you know, there's a totally, you know, it's a totally different thing. The reason people are leaving or the reason most Nigerians are having this plan B now is not because of greener pastures. It's because there's that fear that the security situation might get totally worse. You can't travel by road right now without, you know, having your heart in your mouth all the way, you know. And I've never heard of kidnapings in Legos. I saw that there's a message that was going around that people just get pulled into vehicles and, you know... When they're jogging, yeah, I heard that. Yeah, and you pay, you know, quick rounds from a 500,000, 1 million and all of that. That's how bad it's gotten. So there's people who already have that fear that it might get worse, you know, and I don't want to, you know, paint a picture of a war breaking out all of that. But if you look at what's going on across the country, there's what's going on in the Southeast, you know, but we had that conversation yesterday. Why are police facilities being attacked? Why security agencies being attacked? There is something that is playing out. There's lots of signs that show that there might be a bigger security challenge in a while, you know, and nobody wants to be here to witness that. Unfortunately, you can't live with all your family, but those who can afford to, they will live with all their families. There's a lot of people who are currently looking or seeking and paying money for dual citizenship wherever it is in the world, just so they're sure that if it gets to that point, they can leave. And so that's what he's referring to. Those who would go to Libya or go to Spain, there's always going to be that. There's always going to be those people. But that's a totally different idea from what he's talking about. Do you feel safe in Nigeria? Does anybody currently have 100% assurance that they're safe? They, the family members, their wives, their children, and they don't need a plan B? I don't think there's anybody like that. Even supporters of the ABC. I still beg to differ because security and welfare are intertwined, in my opinion, and even in the constitution. Security and welfare. I'm just referring really to what Pastor Paul is speaking about. And from what I understand, he's not speaking about those running away because of welfare. Definitely. But it's a plan B conversation anyway. Let's know your thoughts on this. Reach out to us on the last edition of Media Platforms. It's at Plus TV Africa, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. All right, we'll take a break here and we'll return with After Press. Do stay with us.