 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I don't think they understand. They don't understand, bro. Because just because it ain't black history no more, no black history month, don't mean we not making some more black history. I'm trying to tell you. You get what I'm saying, DC Young Flag. Now we been calling our studio the trap since we got over here. But we done brought some legends through. Legends. We done brought some ball players, some actors, some movie stars, some artists, some damn service, bro. But today, we getting black as hell today. Hold up, hold up, hold up, before you do anything. Make sure you got some black in the closet. Go put it on. Go put it on. I'm talking about, this half black we about to get DC. I'm talking about Vaseline as lotion black. I'm talking about half conditioner as lotion black. You know what I mean? I'm talking about the whole summer at your grandma house. You and me, I want the blue freeze pops on the black, you know what I mean? I'm talking about, I'm talking about so black when you have to tell your bro, hey, you're dead outside. This half black we getting. I'm talking about so black. Don't mind them roses. They need his black, you hear me? I'm talking about so black. What you mean I'm fine. Get my goddamn check. Bruh. I'm talking about so black. Checking the light on, but that mean it's still running. I'm talking about, you got some rims, black. But you need some ties, black. Yes, sir. Now, today, we switching up the whole game plan. How close you up? Bruh, we got a whole son of a revolutionary. Open the crime, man. Open the crime, man. With us, bro. And we comedians. Open the crime, man. We be bullshitting all the time. But we bringing some real shit today, bro. They got this movie out right now that's based on his father's life. Judas and the black Messiah. We have none other. None other. Then Fred Hampton. That's what we norm as. But the people who know him for real, call him the chairman. The chairman. Now, it's your mission. I ain't bullshitting. Hold up, OG. I can't do like that. Hold up, got to do the thing, but you can talk to me. Yes, sir. You want to talk to me? You want to talk to me? Yes, sir. Them your people? My comrades. My comrades. We talking so black. We talking my chain gang's alias names. You hear me? Yeah. You're welcome to the 85th self show. It's an honor to be here, brother. It's an honor and a pleasure to have you talk to me. Yeah, OG, you're great. Hey, man. You're good, man. What's up? Yes, sir. Before we even get into it, how you feel? Hey, it's a saying that Chairman Fred Hampton was saying. Say, we two proletarian, revolutionary, intoxicated to be astronomically intimidated. And what that mean is playing name is turned to. We have the people, man. It's a phenomenal time. The type of conversations, the type of discussion that's happening, it's intense. I don't want to go too far ahead, but just even with the release of the trailer of the movie, you know what I'm saying? It's up to Annie on conversations that we've been having for quite some time. A lot of people are fearful to have them, or even have them in the sort of quote, unquote, coded sort of way. So again, I'm charged up to talk. Before we even talk about the movie, let's talk about the process. Yes, sir. You not know people. A lot of people have approached the family. Yes. About banning the rights and telling the story. But like, what was the atmosphere leading up to this? Did you feel like this is the right? This is right. This is how I want this to be seen. Or like, what was the family's overall consensus before the movie was even on? I'm glad you preface it that way. Because a lot of times, the kids get it twisted. Even we say, the streets make the music. Music don't make the streets. Dog, why the tail? Tail, why the dog? So before the movie, there has been a consistent struggle going on. A lot of times, people have been approaching us saying, man, I've seen the movie. So how can we get it? How can we start a struggle back? We say, hold on. Get your lay pass. It's been going on for quite some time. Something sticks in my mind and my heart. I'm probably about 12 years old. And we were approached by me and my mother. And this is one, and I emphasize one, one of the times in which our gas was cut off at our house. Chicago win them. And it was a book proposal. However, it raised one of the police officers, the protagonists, and put the police in a good light. And her principal position is she took a coup in Jerry. We call her Mother Corp. Forming those Deborah Johnson. And I remember asking her my 12 years old, I said, well, if this happens, does that translate? He can turn back on the house. And she took her principal position and said, it's a no-go. And even against contested conditions with other people that may have been in the Black Panther Party, and I distinguish those that were in the Black Panther Party from those that are Black Panthers, even with family members. I said, you know, man, go with Johnson's call. Now, chase the bag. She said, no-go. And so this is the first time that even before the butler, Forrest Whitaker, Antoine Foucault, different people just talk about this. So I just want to preface it in the context. So fast forward to what we are right now. We had got word through the Gravevine. There was some discussion about doing a project on Chairman Fred. So I think it was OK, here we go again. They're not going to get through the vetting process. And we studied it. So there are various scripts brought to us, various, even if you Google it, you can actually see some of the initial titles that are proposed. And the narrative was incorrect. So before I even brought it to my mother, Cumbra, not just in a subjective way. This ain't my mother. She resides on our advisory board of our organization, the Black Panther Party Cubs. Before bringing it to her, we wanted to vet it. In other words, cut the fat off the meat. So if you're going to barbecue a meal, do what it is. So we went through the process and said back and forth, back and forth. And then we finally sat down at the Hampton House. That's the house where Chairman Fred grew up in. And we talked to the script writers, the producers, just a Shotka King, Will Burston, Ryan Coogler, his wife, Zinzi, Charles King, Macro, that's worked in conjunction with Warner Brothers. So it was like a tug and pull process. And the deal is, in so many cases, the movie industry, the music industry, our schools, the foreign merchants in our community. It's like they come through in our community with a position like this has going to go there sit. And the deal is when they come to this legacy, in fact, we say a legacy is more important than our life. A legacy is more important than our life. Because we got a certain amount of time to physically be here. But a legacy serves as a template or a prototype of how we're going to move forward. So again, we back and forth and finally get to the stage where we at right now. It was a lot of struggles. Principal struggles. Owners said, I still wake up at night time right now jumping up, cut, stop, you know what I'm saying? But no regrets. And I just got worried now about some of the awards and the nominations and acknowledgment. But the deal is something that all parties involved, you know what I'm saying? From the cast, Daniel Collulia, Dominic Fishback, with Algy, LaKeith Stanfield, others. And even on the soundtrack, Brother Rock Kim and others, man, you know what I'm saying? Their position was, well, let's make sure, you know what I'm saying, that the family is respected. And that's real big about respect, you know what I'm saying? I come up in Chicago, a city of structure. And in fact, Chicago was one of the last cities that the government was able to bring crack cocaine in. They had to kill Fluke Stokes and lock up Chief of my League for only, you know, Jeff Ford. Because it's checks and balances, you know what I'm saying? You just can move a certain way. And I'm here to count them. Even with the initial proposal with the script, there were certain other entities, other organizations, other individuals that were not respected. And a lot of people said, man, why are you tripping about other organizations? But like the ecosystem, the balance, you know what I'm saying? And I know we're dealing with the generation, a lot of people deal with subjectivity. In other words, all they see is how they view. But I'm real big about respect. And so it was a lot of tug and pull to get to the stage in the game. Yeah. So what's it like having to, like you said, wake up every day and defend that legacy? Or try to further it, push it, preserve it? Not only defend it, but also bring light to others. Right, because like this movie brought a lot of light. It's a generation of kids that don't know that that, even the shit they said in the movie is just a piece of it. The G-rated version, the part that they comfortable enough to talk about. They don't know how raw this real situation is. Real talk. They don't know what this mean. Real talk. Let me go with the latter part of what you just asked. And that's something that a lot of people, like some lot of the cast ask me. They say, why I don't know about Chairman Freyre? Why I don't know about the black people in the party? Are you really willing to answer to that? You know what I'm saying? Because being one, it's embarrassing being oppressed. It's embarrassing that our community, you know what I'm saying? We so terrorized that we terrified of even acknowledging it. You know what I'm saying? We try to jive ourself. We try to use euphemisms. The system gives us euphemism. Other communities, other people, they have the advantage and disadvantage of what we call an acknowledged war. A knowledge war is like in Nazi Germany. They say terms, they acknowledge that the tenure of the Fuhrer, Adolf Hitler, Minister of Propaganda, a global. They created the ghettos. The script has been flipped to make us believe that we created the ghettos, not community. Other communities, they use terms like propaganda bombs. They acknowledge they have political prisoners. Our community, we don't know about the Mumiabu Jamal, the Sundiata college with Shelson Kimmings, and those to the C numbers. Your brother, Sister Donna Street, political prisoners. So that's embarrassing. So the next logical question is, why we don't know about this here? And even family members, some of the people who depicted in the movie, who didn't know about the contributions, it's in the breaking process that happened to our people. The way the Chairman frayed, the way the defense got to Mark Clark, the way they were assassinated, and I stress that term, assassinated. It was strategic. It was images of Chicago police bringing this body out. If you know what I'm saying? Around 4.35 in the morning, they were chanting. Chairman Frayda's dead. Similar to during the era of chattel slavery, a pregnant sister would run away from plantation. They just didn't go out there and kill her. They went and got her, brought her back. Real talk, you with me? Brought her back, stood her stomach open in front of the masses of people, stomped her feet as a death. This is still terror, the terror for the masses, horror for the masses. It broke generations to come. It was a time in South Korea, I forget who's tenure it was. But they would say, they would lock you up. You thought you was going to get out. We're going to hold you for your child and your grandchild, the weed up out of you, the position. Three generations. Three generations. And people passed down trauma. And also, if you passed down, punkism. You know what I'm saying? Don't do that. Don't ask that question. You know what I'm saying? It's not even thought about. And not only are people also, we don't even think that we're worthy of being assassinated. Now, even with this script, the things you take for granted, you see the term of chairman. We struggled for that. When I was in Ireland with the delegation of the Freeway Meal Boujoumal, with Minister of Confrontation of Pam, Africa, Ramona, Africa. It's the move organization. This was, a lot of people think that the government in the United States just dropped a bomb in Libya. They're like, man, I can't believe the government dropped a bomb. Not knowing about 1985, failure. May 13, come on, man. May 13, 1985, when the US government used a Negro, Wilson Good, to drop a bomb on our community, on the Moon family. So to put that in context, up to Andy, to call that question, we said the political context. We're told, don't talk about that. You know what I'm saying? Don't acknowledge that. And I think with the alcoholism knowledge, they said, when the first step in addressing the problem, it's recognized that you got a problem. Sun Tzu says, out of war, the cardinal principle is know that self and know that enemy. That's the first step. You said, before you move forward, know that self and know that enemy. So that's the heart of the question. It's a blessing and it's a burden. I'm not gonna romanticize this, man. You know, I've been in school suspended for just writing about Chairman Fred. You know what I'm saying? Been placed in isolation for having articles about who Chairman Fred is. You know what I'm saying? And this is something that other entities, other organizations, other walks of life have a quote-unquote luxury to talk about it. At the funeral services for Stanley Tickey Williams, co-founder of the Crips, when he had left and we went down to Lemur Park, I had said something to the effect that Tickey Williams had grew up in the climate like I grew up in, the pride of an organization such as the Black Panther Party, where the only quote-unquote options given to us is to become a Boy Scout or a Banger. I said, never again, that on my watch. You know what I'm saying? Now that's your cup of tea, so be it. But this is, like I'm in a situation one time, the sister, she had just come from Haiti, and some cats were hustling on her porch, on the east side of Chicago. So she had contacted us, we went out there, and we had dealt with it. You know what I'm saying? I'm leaving it at that. You know what I'm saying? When we dealt with it. So she said, I can't really figure you out. She said, you know, you read books, you know what I'm saying? But she said, what are you like? It's a political thug, whatever. Even in Tupac, Lot of cats can understand, Lot of cats can't swim in Tupac. They can't understand, I love for the people. My mother said, Tupac needed organization, organization needed Tupac, you know what I'm saying? In the Black Panther Party was an organization that turned the communities into a classroom. They just didn't engage in what Chairman Frey called intellectual masturbation. In other words, it's a whole bunch of walking talk, you know what I'm saying, theory. Lot of cats are talking about they want to join our organization, the Black Panther Party Cubs. They say, okay, do this here. They say, this ain't no YouTube sensation. You just ain't no talk. You gotta go do a certain amount of what we call community serves. You gotta serve the people. You gotta make mistakes. You gotta tie theory into practice. Cause a lot of people engage in what we call uncontested conditions. You know, in other words, they say stuff that's not, it's like a shadow boxer. A shadow boxer said, man, I'm a champ. You ain't getting the ring with nobody. Lot of cats tell me, man, I ain't ever told them the police, man. I said, shit, the police ain't ever ask you nothing. You know what I'm saying? So, with us, our membership is contested. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're gonna, it's some vegetation being planted right now. Even with this climate, the coronavirus. You know what I'm saying? Even right now, they tell me what was out in Mexico. A lot of people see it as an advantage that the Biden administration is taking these children from Mexico. You know what I'm saying? And hold them in these different, but it's produced some different type of Mexico community. You know what I'm saying? Those who, no parents, you know what I'm saying? And we don't have years, real talk. No, under George Bush, during his tenure, they said one time in Iraq, over 78% of the population was under 17 years old. And you get a whole generation that don't know what happened before them. A breeding ground for reactionaries. And I don't care if it's a reactionary, they don't know what happened before. You know what I'm saying? See, I'm a match, one of our matches for our organization is we're the great grand chosen of Garvey. The All-Spring of Malcolm and the Curls of Panthers. We don't think this is no new dynamic about us being oppressed. Even before this, even now, we're in a climate, we call a reactionary climate. Prior to this, look at the faces of a lot of young brothers and sisters with the police right up on them. They'd be literally shocked. The police don't, you can get down on, I can't believe the police shot my son and my daughter 15 times. This is what they do. This is the birth. See, you don't have to do the birth of something. The birth of the police was slave patrols. That's what it was created for, you know what I'm saying? See, sell out is one of the most overused terms in our community. Like I told you, man, something's sold up, they ain't sold you out. Through the dough, that's what it was about. You know what I'm saying? See, if you go, if I tell you the question yourself, what was in you? Or better yet, what was not in you that you went for certain things? If you go to the pet store, you know what I'm saying? You go buy a goldfish, you bring it back, you throw a leash on it. And you say, I wonder why this motherfucking dog, why it ain't barking. It's a goldfish. You know what I'm saying? There's a movie on O.J. Simpson. The cat that grew up with him told him, he said, man, we was children in grammar school. He said, man, the superintendent, they take us down. We shoot dice in the bathroom. They take us down to the office. He said, the superintendent, he's leaving. O.J. is a child, walked out with him. He said, where you going? He left the students, the other, his cats, his colleagues in the office. He go with him. Bob Holt speaking, I think at UCLA. He told, they show all the stuff that's going on, all the uprisings that's happening all over the country. And he showed you what O.J. was at that time. This way he's been consistently, you know what I'm saying? He was never connected to the community, you know what I'm saying? And that's when we come in with a reactionary, like you come in, watching the Freddy or Jason movie, part seven in the middle of the movie like, man, why they beating up Jason? Do you know the history of this motherfucking? You know what I'm saying? So the deal is, we come with an objective analysis. You know what I'm saying? You never hear me say the police killed my daddy. You never hear me say that. You do hear me say that United States government assassinated Chairman Fred. That's the objective reality. You know what I'm saying? And I tell you, when we approach the police, kid people in Chicago, another college, they approach their families. They say, look, stay away from Hampton. Stay away from Black Panther Party Cubs. Here's your organization. Here's your artist who's gonna do a song for you. They give it to them. You know what I'm saying? And people say, Chairman, how did you know which uncle gonna sell out? How you know which mother they gonna put on the TV? I said, I studied my own family. I don't cut no calls, you know what I'm saying? Chairman Mao Zedong said, combat liberalism. Now I tell you, we come in, so we don't relate to, we don't relate to, this term we refer to as culture nationalism. Like we say, we all, Black people come together, get your dashikis and your green juice and we all, we don't relate to that. We use a philosophical tool known as dialectical materialism. What that means is, we use common sense and logic. You know what I'm saying? Say, man, what's the MO of this person? You know what I'm saying? Regardless of what their color is, see Kim Yo-Song in Korea, North Korea, he up the ante, he told the United States, he said, no, those in South Korea, they riding with you. They riding with the Yankees. In Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh, you know what I'm saying? Ho Chi Minh and Gia, they say, man, hold on. We not all Vietnamese people, there's different interests. In the Black Panther Party, they up the ante, they heighten the contradictions, you know what I'm saying? And it's a reason why I can't know who Chairman Frey is. It's a reason why I can't know who author the Rainbow Coalition. It was Chairman Frey who author the Rainbow Coalition. You know what I'm saying? There's a soundtrack on the Judas and the Black Messiah with Rod Kim, he says, this will author the Rainbow Coalition. A lot of people thought Jackson did. To Reverend Jackson. A lot of people said, because the states say they can't stop it co-opted. Watered down, changed, it makes for them to be. Chairman Frey in the city of Chicago was and remains to be one of the top segregated cities in the country. He dealt with the race and the class contradiction. So I think he's gonna deal with the race question. You know what I'm saying? So we don't cut no coins, whether it be Uncle Sam or Sambo, the Green Goat or the Negro, whoever it is, whoever your last name is, whatever your religion is, religion is real, cut no corners. He up the ante. Who he took to which meetings? He studied that. Chairman Frey said, revolution is a scientific art that must be perfected. It wasn't based on, this is my home, and this is my friend. You know what I'm saying? He took the young patriots, a group of poor whites from Appalachian Mountains. They were so reactionary the time they weren't confronted flags in their jackets. Doc said, man, don't talk to them racist white people. He was a realist. See, the organization question is a phenomenon in Chicago. Minister U.E.P. Newton, the visionary of the Black Panther Party, co-founder of the Black Panther Party, along with Dela Chevin, Bobby Sears, U.E.P. Newton, the visionary. He said, power, power is the ability to define phenomena and make it act and desire matter. Power is the ability to define phenomena and make it act and desire matter. What is a phenomenon? Phenomena is an unusual event that could be scientifically explained, case in point. Reverend Nat Turner was a realist. He put his it to the ground. He said, what's phenomenon? As a servant of the people, he said, what is phenomenal with these cats? The church. Obviously, oh, that's not our religion, you know, so we come from out. He said, okay, in the meantime, between time, I'm gonna deal with the real world. You know what I'm saying? Can we relate to another saying? We say, God created Africans. In America, made niggers. We say, the mayor and the machine manufactured Iraq. So Reverend Nat Turner said, okay, D, this is a phenomenon. Praise the Lord, past ammunition. Harriet Tubman put her it to the ground. Seemed they call her Negro spirituals. It was a phenomenon. She defined it. She said, okay, I'm gonna work this number. When the sun went out, I'm even batting water. You was there in Chicago. Chairman Frey put his it to the ground. He said, I'm gonna define it. This ain't nothing new about us having organizations. He defined it and said, let me win him certain points of unity. He politicized the formerly known devil disciples. When they came up public, he said, we now renounce the black disciples due to the political education we received from Chairman Frey and Black Panther Party. You've seen the black stone ranks taking more of a nationalist stand become a black piece of our nation. He was even able to flip the script as the FBI. This is a document. It's a book called Up on Madison Down on 75th Street by John L. Rice. When the FBI had told the vice laws, they'd get them 16th Street. If they start the Black Panther Party from the Free Medical Center, 16th Street. Now, like I said, I can't believe that. Why would the government do this? If you believe the government, the man of the police who wanna stop crying in your community, you believe Don King won't stop boxing. It's done by design. So he subsequently warned the vice laws to work in the Free Medical Center. Even by the government's own records, that was what they called a record law, they called Black on Black Crime. And even, comedy, let's talk about comedy. A lot of times people, they think politics is just something separate, detached from the community. It was an atmosphere, they're up to ante. It was a different type of athlete. They wanna fight about, they're fighting to get us another quarterback on the field. It was, the script was flip. The script was flip, well, athletes said, I'm out of it. How can I support the movement? It wasn't, it wasn't flip, it wasn't vice versa. You fight to give me a job. Mom and I only take those stands with the people, you know what I'm saying? It was an atmosphere where the ante was up. You know what I'm saying? With James Brown, who had a totally different song playing there first. Real talk. H-Rap Brown. It's a cry of anybody in Atlanta, in particular, know who that is. Who's kidder from west to west end, who's locked up right now, known as Emile Jameel Alamein. Who's just, they talking about going blind, right as we speak. H-Rap Brown, literally drove down on James Brown. Man, you better go back to the studio with that garbage. You know what I'm saying? He came back up, so I'm black and I'm proud. He couldn't have pulled it, so they pulled it on. And the Rocky move with the red one. We draw, so we're gonna live in America. You know what I'm saying? It was a climb with Marvin Gaye with Ida Gore against Barry Gordon. So I'm gonna put this song on. What's going on? What do you like it or not? It was a climb. You know what I'm saying? Real, Marvin Gaye, real tall. And this will make these kids stick out. Why you think like even in the hip hop industry? You know what I'm saying? What makes Nipsey Hustle in the park? Unique, you know what I'm saying? This ain't a one night stand as politics. It transcends generation, you know what I'm saying? My first been Nipsey Hustle backstage around 2011, 2012. Sacramento. I'm a little distant from them. I see the chain. I say, damn. I say, here we go again. I'm thinking this is the time that the white Jesus was a big thing. I get close. Whoa, whoa, hold on. This ain't, hold on, this something different. It's Malcolm X on this chain. I say, man, you familiar with Chairman Fred Hampton? He said, Chairman Fred Hampton, Jr. What type of man would I be if I knew who Chairman Fred Hampton was? This is what politics does. This code is in the jenicrade commercial, you know what I'm saying? The before and after, you know what I'm saying? up to Annie. That's where they had to assassinate 21-year-old Chairman Fred. That's where they had to come up with the Black Panther Party, everything including the kitchen scene. Real talk. Because it up to Annie. See, it's different between a war and a revolution. A war has two occupying armies. They suit up and they boot up and they get out and they get out. A revolution where you gain the mass of participation, the masses of the people. It was different. There was a prostitute, I don't know what you mean, in G.O.P. in Vietnam. Prostitutes of Vietnam, it was different. There was a bumblebee. The Vietnamese would take the bumblebees and train them to come out of bamboo sticks with American soldiers to know if they were shooting at bees or the Vietnamese. The prostitutes would say, yeah, I'm taking the American soldiers to bed. I guarantee he won't get up in the morning. It was a different dynamic. You know what I'm saying? It was a climate in the 60s where the Annie was up. What you see when the Soddus and Crows, when she was underground in the run, people, they called Scorched Earth, Spray Pain. A solid, you welcome to come out here. It was a climate where William Thoreau was setting civil disobedience. What people said in the unjust society, the only place for a just man, I'm paraphrasing, a just man or a just woman was prison. We were clear. It was a climate where you didn't say terms like, when someone say, man, your little Joe got locked up, you wouldn't have no reactionary response like, what did he do? You know what I'm saying? You was clear. You know what I'm saying? The role of the police, the workers, ain't no war on drugs, ain't no war on drugs, ain't no war on guns, ain't no war on gangs. It's war on us. As many as you, if you say we don't fight back, it can be defined as nothing less than reactionary suicide. It's climbing right now. This movie, you know what I'm saying? This is not a panacea. This is not an end all. However, look at the type of discussions that's happening now. Look at, I was showing this kid out of the day in the studio. He doing what we call a bunch of international masturbation. Well, the movie should have said it, the institution said it there. They didn't say, man. It was no cloak and dagger figure. They telling you point directly. Jageroo. You know what I'm saying? I mean, the Billy Holliday movie last night, you know what I'm saying? The different dynamics is showing you how it's impacting everyday life. The Captain, that turn of quantum intelligence program, a lot of organizations say, just pull yourself out of bootstraps. The only do we do, we ain't rubbing in nobody else. That's bad. That's nonsense. It's a war being weighs on us. See, you impact it. You know what I'm saying? You can't have a discussion. Like, a lot of other black organizations, other people can't understand what we go through. You know what I'm saying? See, Billy Holliday had a different dynamic, the L.A. Fitzgerald. You know what I'm saying? She won't talk because of no dope. You see, you put it in context of dope. That was common back then, but she was targeted because of her position, her stance. You know what I'm saying? The Black Panther people said, well, the Black Panther party just faded away because they had issues with gender. You talking about an organization that at a time where people didn't know if Pat Nixon was, that was Richard Merehouse Nixon's wife. They didn't even know if she could even, she was even able to speak. I mean, literally, the Black Panther party had women in leadership. Deborah Johnson, that one just chairman Fred's wife, that was his comrade. She was ranking five, remember the finance committee, Lieutenant Barbara Sanky, the finance committee. Nipsey Hussle, excuse me, Nipsey Russell, excuse me, Nipsey Russell. The committee, Nipsey Russell. I told him, I told Nipsey Russell about this here. Nipsey Russell made a joke about this. He said, when he met my mother, my mother-in-law, he said, she's about seven months pregnant. He kind of added on to some, you know, tied into, I say, even comedy is political. Nipsey Russell say, here come this lady, she's seven and a half months pregnant. She walked up, she comes to meet him out to the show. She got these bullets, these bannoliers across her chest. He said, she told my donating to some money to the Black Panther party. He said, I ain't giving no money, I ain't giving no money for no guns. He said, if I went the next day and put an envelope under the door for the Black Panther party free breakfast program. Tell me about that free breakfast program because that's one of the most notable things to know about. You were actually there as, you know, the Black, the free breakfast program and I, and that, it was, it was one of the most, it was one of the genius programs of the Black Panther party. Politics is like real estate, timing, like even the hit you in the morning, the hit you, like, you hear a different story about our people, like Malcolm X would impact them in sixth grade. The hit certain, like our community, like, you know, first of all, let me purpose with this, we damaged goods, all of us, our people, we damaged goods, but a lot of people don't understand who damaged them. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people think Black men done it, Black women done it. I know who damage is. I know when I go speak to players, all here you come, you finna blame the government, blame the system. And we do. And we do. This, everything you tie into, it got, it got pig hoof prints on it somewhere, believe me. The breakfast program, the timing they put out for the people, you come in there, it was a program for the people, the Black Panther Party seen that our children in particular were going to school and their graves were not up to par. They had to come over for no current commission, no study, you know what I'm saying? And if you say, man, anybody that's going to school that's hungry, it's hard to do an admission problem. It's hard to do something to my nouns, you know what I'm saying, pronouns. They just didn't do what, oh that's, you know, man it's wrong with the system doing that. They put program, they put program, and it wasn't programs, like, engaging, they're going to save you. They put the programs out and the people themselves would come on and start supporting and engaging the program. Chairman, if you see Stephen Bico, on the view of Stephen Bico, was in the Black Conscious Movement. In fact, there's a movie called Cry Freedom, Denzel Washington portrays him. Chairman Fred, Stephen Bico says Black people in particular must distinguish intelligence from the ability to articulate. Big difference. Hey, I'm Carlos Miller. Are you tired of not knowing what to cook when you're stressed for time? 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What that means is they give us a lot of time, they give our community a whole bunch of intellectual monkeys, throw a bunch of fancy words and terms, but they also ain't no common sense to it. The people are very intelligent. Chairman Fred says the Black Panther Party have a free breakfast program. The police pull up on them. They say, hey, are you for capitalism? So say, whoa, whoa, no, no, Chairman Fred says that's not cool. Police say, what about socialism? So say, you know what, I really can't debate with those words and terms. And then police say, what about this free breakfast program? So say, did. This will feed my babies. If you attend the med school, we'll blow your brains out. You know what I'm saying? The people are very intelligent. But after we get intelligence mixed up with the ability to articulate, you can't black people play free breakfast program. The only prerequisite, the only criteria was that you're hungry. You ain't going to say, why your last name different than your damn last name? You know what I'm saying? None of that was necessary. A solid Shakur, talking about her book, a solid to my, it was a young brother in the breakfast program. He was stuffing some pancakes in Harlem, in Harlem branch, in his pocket. And she said, look, brother, you can never steal from this, this is your program. You know what I'm saying? See, we up the air, it's different between rioting and rebelling, stealing and liberating. See, terms are important. So it wasn't no charity. And for you know the people started running these programs. You know what I'm saying? We are all liberated. A lot of organizations, not even to tell you they come back and check in with them. See, you said there's a difference in a revolutionary and a hero. A hero does something, you say, wow, that's, that's, that's crazy. I can't do that because you know what I'm saying? But a revolutionary say, man, I can relate to that. I can pick it up. And after that, that assists with our security. Because they say, man, we not care about this. It's going on and on. You know what I'm saying? Right. So let me ask you about the movie a little bit. What are some, before we even, you know, get into it, what are some of the things that you saw them do right with this, with the movie? What are some of the parts that you were impressed by? You know, we have a lot of struggles. Let me, let me, let me say this. There was some, like even something, there was certain things that could not be said because we had a time and space. Because I can say, couldn't this movie tell us all what the Black Panther Party was? I said, you can't put no shark and no fish tank. You know what I'm saying? This is a movie. And also, in the movie industry, they call it a period piece. Period piece, you know what I'm saying? Everything has to be on point from what Coca-Cola can you have around, you know what I'm saying? There's been a period of time. Also, this is what we call a relevant piece. In other words, we still are dealing with these issues. We still have Jerry Odinga done again. Prison number C-018859, still locked up, directly impacted by William O'Neill. We still have Brother Griggs, who was an electric shop by William O'Neill with the agent before I could tour. Still, the verdict is not out. And also, William O'Neill was not the only agent before I could tour. So we got to be real careful in how we bring out certain contradictions. You know what I'm saying? So it was certain, let's go with the meeting. We had to put the certain things to say, hold on, that organization, actual organization could not be depicted because the movie would be incapable of expressing the details of that meeting. And I recall saying, at the particular meeting, you get to keep in mind that we impacted by this system. And with a sister going in at that meeting, you know what I'm saying? With the party, it could be like a front to these other organizations. So you know, Ninjas and others, Charles and others, we sat down, Chaka, we were a person, so we back and forth. And subsequently that part played out. I'm glad about that. I'm glad that stayed with it because something I didn't tell my mother one time. I said, you know what, maybe me and you are kind of subjective. Things that I take for granted, people know or have examples of, they don't know. A lot of people have never seen the gender contradiction. Men and women work together without having a relationship. It's mind blowing to me. You know what I'm saying? Seeing revolution, you may have to be in a foxhole with a sister. You know what I'm saying? And you can see it with the state. You see like, you watch movies called Blue Blood, TV shows called Blue Blood. You see the police say, okay, you're riding in patrol car with that person. Your mind doesn't automatically go to oh, they fooling around. But it comes to our people. You know what I'm saying? We cannot even fat them in a structured organization, dealing with each other. You know what I'm saying? Structurally. You know what I'm saying? With a principal. So that was a good, that was a one good point. You know what I'm saying? Also, um, I want a sister to shoot now with the window with the police. That's what I'm seeing. We actually get back and forth about, because initially you had us shoot the first, you know what I'm saying? We say, hold on, okay? Because the first name for the Black Panther Party was the Black Panther Party for self-defense. Right. That's important to put in context. Because see, when the police beat you, they train and say stop resisting. Even they, you be confused until you like that. He beat me down. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's legal. But the politics of it, they say stop resisting. On the door they say serving with tech, you know. I know I just seen them with their knee on the neck of this George Floyd. I know I seen Derek Chauvin killing this man. But the serving with tech kind of confuses me. You know what I'm saying? See, everything is political. You know what I'm saying? Not just the schools. If you Google, if you Google say, police killed someone, you'll be, you can't find it. You will see, you can find George Floyd passed away as a result of so, you know what I'm saying? It's never saying straight up murder, you know what I'm saying? It impacts you differently. You know what I'm saying? Now you can find LeGis killed, such and such. You can find that. You know what I'm saying? So it impacts you how you even view the police. You know what I'm saying? So even the imagery of showing that the police were attacking a part, you have three major, three major shooting attacks on the Black Panther Party headquarters in 1969. That scene was depicting July 31st, 1969. Chairman Frey was locked up at that time. And the Chicago Police was attacking the Black Panther Party headquarters. They would come in, they would burn the breakfast program supplies, you name it. But that attack, they were, it's important to put out that they were attacked. And if people say, it doesn't make a big difference, it does make a big difference. You know what I'm saying? They were defending themselves. Spurgeon Jake Winters. That's who Chairman Frey wanted me to be named after, defending themselves. So we think we just reactionary, you know what I'm saying? And you want to be correct about this whole discussion. Anything that we do, even if we think it's reactionary, we ain't, like people say, man, I know you tripping, man, police kid, your daddy. No, they, there's such a nature of first blood. It put a gun in my mother's stomach. That's the pre- under-KI guy. One of Dr. Stephens' school placed on me. The pre- under-KI guy was the Chicago Police Department Revival placed on her stomach. This, first of all, all Black people should get a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, what you call it? A steel weapon. No, no, no, no. Um, no, uh, what do you call it? No, in fact, um, they call it war. They say, um, so, uh, Nobel Peace Prize. All Black people should get Nobel Peace Prize. The fact that we ain't snapped that out, you know, just to say, man. Right, right, right. We should get Nobel Peace Prize, you know, real talk. We should just come through the monstery, man, Nobel Peace Prize. Right. You know what I'm saying? So to put it in historical context, but also this is an organization that they get up in the morning and I figure how we're gonna shoot it out to the police. They get up in the morning, how we're gonna feed at least 3,500 children in the week in Chicago. How, you know, this is Doc Satchel. How do we get the ambulance working in a free medical center? How do we do the sicker cells, anemia testing? That was the motivation for the program. You know what I'm saying? They were attacked and they defended themselves as, as Deputy Minister of Health, Ronald Doc Satchel said, Yeah, we are. We are our propaganda unit. And see a lot of bogus counterfeit individuals, they jump up, they just, they wrote Manassasage Revolution. See Leather Jackson, Mareza, whatever, you know what I'm saying? See, Minister U.P. News said that we must even politicize the gun. What makes our gun different to the police gun? We had a situation in Flint, Michigan. I said, we throw the people with the water, the chemical biological warfare and the water. We designated the option to go down to the Black Panther Party Club caravan. That's what it was called. Before they went down there, we had a political education. In fact, Deputy Field Marshal, that's who they had the delegation down there. When we got down there, we had the water. Now the National Guard, they had more water than us. What made our water different than National Guard? Like we said, we don't make a difference. Don't we give water? No, the politics. So National Guard, let's get your name. Let's get this here. And later on, you seen the warrants coming down for people tomorrow, which are immigration status. If you had a warrant, you know what I'm saying? See, everything is political. We gave the water, then you need water. No strings attached. Huh? No strings attached. Right. It's political. The breakfast program. See, like, see, like I said, we say, I don't hear that political stuff. You need to see under the I gotta say in the 60s, niggas needed Nixon. Nixon had a force cast to come to grips with the politics. See under the climate of Richard, John F. Kennedy, same John F. Kennedy, the same president, John F. Kennedy. That was at the end of that movie, that Billie Holiday movie. Giving the war to Aislinger, the FBI agent that attacked Billie Holiday. The same John F. Kennedy that had a responsible army takes going through South Side of Chicago, Detroit, Michigan. Same John F. Kennedy, on this tenure, there was assassination, after assassination, on commandant Fidel Castro. Same John F. Kennedy, there was one for the Peace Corps. But it was a class piece. The same John F. Kennedy that had told his brother, Robert F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, you know, you authorized for the wide tap on Dr. King. Nixon pulled the covers up and said, man, did it, said, man, campaign for law and all, it's going down. You know what I'm saying? So that's, lots of, really, a client we call a reactionary client right now. We'll catch, at least acknowledge it. Like under Trump administration, there ain't no, I ain't pushing for no Trump thing, but it was acknowledgement. Police pulled you over. You know, I think you, because I didn't have a degree, I'm a Virgo. No, Trump's not black, you black. When he was in Puerto Rico, he threw the tortoises in, all the same to me. So these contradictions, a lot of people can come to them under reactionary terms. You know what I'm saying? In the Vanguard party, you got to be consistent. We had a chapter down here in Atlanta about 20 years ago. Black and 20 Cubs, for different reasons, they had to be, they had to be pulled back. Timing. You know what I'm saying? Like in relationship, you're like, man, that was a good sister. I wish I could have, I was a little more mature. We could have worked it out. So the client, see our organization, the Black and 20 Cubs, we like the last call for alcohol. People there, he was laid on when it's, they go drink Sharpton Champagne. But they said at the end, when the police were there, putting their back to the point, they said, man, who is that? It's a system catchment serving y'all all the time. It was not popular. It was not fashionable. Tell me about the Hampton House. The Hampton House. That's a childhood home, was chairman, well, before he was chairman. The house he grew up in, that's the house, you know what I'm saying, which we even found his coat there. That's the house in which, across the street, is the elementary school, urban elementary school, where he went to. We, you know what I'm saying? We had to go do damage control. Before we fought to take the Hampton House on, I was in West Oakland. It's ironic, the brother just walked in, he said from Oakland, he said from Oakland, he said, he said, he said West Oakland. That was significant, he said that. That was, that was the, the area where minister, you know, the heart, the first left of my head was that, that's where the government sold to the earth. That's where they pushed the drugs at. You know what I'm saying? The west side of Chicago, they put, they flushed it there, you know what I'm saying? In the Hampton House. They tried it with the Hampton House. I tried to put certain cases in the hustle. We had to go clean house. We said, man, not on my watch. The children that went to the school at Irving, a lot of them children didn't even know who Chairman Frey was. And one time, the principal was related to some members of the Black Panther Party. And the kids were like, damn, how they don't know? We hiding the consciousness of them cats. It was jokes made about them children. They said, man, they got to get different shirt sizes. They chest start being, they said, man, we cool. If they was debating with each other, is that the death that he sat in? It changed the atmosphere. We had the park, then Chairman Frey and Hampton Park, down the street, you know what I'm saying? Our programs, the triple C's, children, community and cause, you come with the food right there. You know what I'm saying? To the, we correlated it to the Black Panther Party, Free Breakfast Program. The freedom on radio, we have every Wednesday. It's hosted by me, Chairman Frey and Julian, and Lady and Rage. Some of y'all probably know it's Baby D on Friday. Every Wednesday, tune in. Every Wednesday, Freedom on Radio. What about say it again? Freedom on Radio. It's hosted by Chairman Frey, Hampton, Julian, Lady and Rage, Baby D, Robin Allen. It's every Wednesday, 6.30 p.m. You can Google it and pull it up. Ask Siri about it. You know what I'm saying? So this is every Wednesday, like clockwork. These are programs that come right up at the Hampton House. This is significant. This is the same. See, locations are significant. It was strategic when Napoleon came through Egypt. He sent me a 21 gun through. Not that nose of the Sphinx. You know what I'm saying? The house that was, just the house to which he grew up in. So it's a morale build. You know what I'm saying? We there, I sit there to this day sometimes. We brainstormed, you know what I'm saying? And we didn't get all, we didn't, like it was a cat, these cats called us a T.W.L. Mm-hmm. The world's finest. They said, you know what I'm saying? They was in tune with each other out there. They wanted to do a video shoot. I said, all right. Come on, we're talking, we're in the studio out there right now. Let's come on to the Hampton House. They came, they called it a vortex. One of the coldest days in Chicago history. I said, now we're going to the Cook County jail. And we're going to meet these cats up. You know what I'm saying? They met the cats, come out of jail. That's their video. The world's finest. It's called Free them all. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. And I want to make sure I bring, I acknowledge I got some forces here with me today too. Because we do force them all walks of life. Right. You know what I'm saying? Even with the video, it's not something you got to free them all too. But nephew, Don P. You know what I'm saying? We did a video shoot right there at the Hampton House. You know what I'm saying? Get the brother Rob Money chairman love movement. Because a lot of cats be like, man, revolution. Everybody got the suit, they suited and booted. And just everybody, we didn't call it the quote unquote conscious community. No. We did the people. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Like, Wacka Flock came to Chicago one time. So I walked up to him. He said, whoa, whoa. He said, I heard you be here. He said, I heard you coming. Mm-hmm. He said, one second. So the brother behind him, he said, man, this is years back. He said, this is the brother right here. So the brother came in some big deep, man. You know what I'm saying? They told me you'll be approaching. Because then we got to call it the code of culture. Black Panther Party, code of culture. We all catch the caliber. We said too many of us in the same scene for catching the tone of some bling-bling. You know what I'm saying? You on Day Spell, Block Park, that's us on the stage. I ain't selling my homie. I'm to my political prisoners. Mm-hmm. Go check it out. You know what I'm saying? We all, every, you know, nothing move. We get the education ethic. Make it a school. Make it a class project. We talk about political movement. I'll be with you tomorrow. Talk about, you know what I'm saying? Talks of wasting San Francisco. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. We say, the Harriet Tubman code. What that mean? You get out of jail? Respect for others who are captive. Mm-hmm. So then, big deal, we talking. And you say, man, there's a joint called Adriana's in Chicago. So we had the joint that night. He said, man, chairman, how you be going back stage and dealing with these different artists? You know what I'm saying? I just can't drink no aquafina water, man. I got to do the good, the bad, and the ugly. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people deal with set conditions. They deal with rival rules or orders. That's how you have a meeting. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Chairman, because they have been state trained and state made. You know what I'm saying? I'm locked up in the joint. These organizations ask me, is your organization a sanction? I said, no, I'm proud about it. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. A lot of people don't send me because I won't run for office in Chicago. I said, they can't make me. They can't break me. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. I'm chairman Fred Hefton. See, that's, it's empowering. Burn that deafness. Irish Republican Army, she said, I remember. I said, I don't remember. She banned from the United States. Mm-hmm. She's the IRA. She said, I remember you used a baby. She said, I remember you used a baby. You had a necklace on your neck with a bullet around it. She said, I remember Minister of Health, Doc Satchel. See, he was the Minister of Health. Not because the CDC said it. Mm-hmm. The Black Panther Party said it. You know what I'm saying? He was chairman of the Black Panther Party. Not because the Mayor Daddy said it. You know what I'm saying? Mayor Daddy said it because the people said it. Deborah Johnson was his wife, his comrade. See, a lot of people came with it on. Oliver Stone said, man, you think the government killed Kennedy? I was like, yeah, I think so. Malcolm told you when he first went down, who did it? Pleasure, we can't believe it. You know what I'm saying? Before this movie came out, my plan was give me a white puppet and go on tour. And just start saying, listen, man. So I said, man, you heard what that puppet said? Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Because we can't believe nothing. You know what I'm saying? This movie has helped the conversation, man. Right. Yeah. So I was telling the guy, I'm not sure. Shit, and we got top. Okay, let's make sure I mention the couple of cops. Bruh, I don't want to cut you off. But that's what I was saying. We good, I ain't no curfew. Cubs, I ain't no curfew. I just wanted to get some more of your reactions to the actual film before we bring something. I got you, I'm with you. Is all this all love, is all love? Yep. No, you brought the family. Yeah. Can I, can I ask you something from Black Panther? I ain't seen the movie yet. I ain't seen the, I ain't seen the movie yet. I ain't seen the movie yet. Okay, man. God damn it, I got some. Go check it out with the, before they ban it. Before they ban it. Listen, man. I'm about it. I ain't seen it. Listen, man, listen, listen. What we did is, we put some Pathicub political pills in the alpha sauce. Okay. It's certain things that we put in there. You know what I'm saying? Hey, you know what I'm saying? See, wherever in that tunnel was going on the tour, the lady on the plantation, her brother said, man, hold on, man, dude, stop. What did you let the dude go speak around for? Right. She said, he just, he preached a good word. He said, no. It's a different dynamics going on here. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. This, so you look at the out there effect, you know what I'm saying? This, this is, this is a guy called, this is a guy named Maurice Tenet, this is my mother. How's we staying? And most, during my life, we stayed there. This guy knew me since I was three years old. He would, it'd be issues with him and his lady at the house. They stayed next door. They'd get into it. Police come over there. But all you hear the police when they walking, talking about the Hampton house, you're afraid Hampton was yet. And I would tell you, I said, man, listen, man, don't, this is not about you. Why do you think 15 police cars pop up for a domestic case with you? Oh man, you know, I don't play. You know what I'm saying? Flattening itself. It really, the target was this here. It took this movie for him to finally say, man, I see why you were banning me from the block. You know what I'm saying? I said, man, you're a security risk, Jack. You know what I'm saying? A lot of times, you don't even, this client, a lot of people don't even know the dangers that they do. You know what I'm saying? See, it's an arrogance. I had no problem with ignorance. We have an issue with arrogance and ignorance. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people deal with subjectivity. The world revolves around them. We deal with dialectical materialism. Your actions impact other people's actions. Once this movie is a man, man, catch, it's certain things that's in there. This character, well, I didn't like this and that. One brother called me and said, well, I wish the movie to talk about Chairman Frey's international impact. I said, let's have an honest discussion, bro. You're the same one. You do independent movies in Chicago. On your own volition, you did a whole movie about President Obama. When I asked you to do a snippet about Chairman Frey, you said, man, I ain't touching that. That's what you're up front about this here. You know what I'm saying? This ain't no safe subject, man. There's a reason. We know what to talk about in school. We know what to say when I rap songs. You know what I'm saying? So it's certain things we got to put in there. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't even see it coming. You know what I'm saying? And I got to deal with all of them. Last time I was up here a few months back, I just came up here, a black youngster. He come through, he go downstairs. So like, I'm in some of the gas studio. He said, Chairman Frey, you going down there? Ain't no doubt about it. It's a couple of smoking ads. You know what I'm saying? I'm studying the people. I'm a servant of the people. It ain't about me. You know what I'm saying? Like, you ask the woman what she's doing, what she's doing for her child, you should give a different answer. What I would do, what I'd do for the people, you know what I'm saying? Different dynamic. So we get down there. You know what I'm saying? That's all 2021. I put that political pill in there. Like, I catch a man. You dealing with this kid? Didn't say, man. Before I get back to Chicago that night, them youngsters say, man, call. Man, Chairman. We heard that. Because many of you who you know, we say our people do not read as much as we would like for them to read. So we got to be innovative with our tactics. You know what I'm saying? See, all kinds of good stuff laid out there to them. Here you go. Bam. This is your organization. That's your funding. That's this. That's you nine to five. You get in, you click out. Not us. Not us. Do it ever surprise you when like the newer rappers of the younger generation, the rappers reach out to you to get some game on an album or give you a slide on the tape or whatever like that. I'm encouraged by, because the deal is, it's a climate, because the deal is that fear has been passed down. But it's a climate where, like, even let's go with that fix. Let's go to the scenario I just laid out to you. The movement has been given a white eye. It's been given, it's been told, it's like an elitism, like, you can't, if you do this, you can't involve in this. Like, you know what I'm saying? The situation. I was sitting down with him for five minutes and he said, you know what, man? I wasn't even gonna smoke around you at first. He said, man, but you, you, you, you won't ask, you with the people, man. That's what he said. And so we had pulled a piece of our deal with Fakes forming on Scarface's ghetto boys. Pulled it up. It's a piece called Never, Remix. He said, man. That shit is so hard. You seen, you seen the remix? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see? Yeah, off the, the last Scarface album that he did. But you seen the remix to me, him did? I ain't seen that one. Oh, yeah. I know that. Check it out. Check it out. That's what you're talking about. Check the remix to me, him did. Shit, I'm gonna fuck with it. So Black Young said, he said, oh, what you doing? You speaking on that? I said, no, no, no, I'm, I'm spending. This shit, he said, all right, we'll do it with me then. So I said, you listen up with the words, get the pen and paper, tie it in. You know what I'm saying? Season of Time. Because the deal is, there's not people who look for gift wrap revolution. Perfect allies. You know what I'm saying? But as we, we, see, we, like a gardener, we study the ground, you know what I'm saying? The term season time, I'm like, okay, lock and load, go. It's moves we have planned through that here initially. I went through the process. Like, they thought they knew what the Black Panther Party was. You can't, you, you can't tell a smart cat nothing. So I know, I know, on a week out before we pull in town. Oh man, they counseled this event. So I know, I know, I'm used to it. I don't take it personal. So on a pivot, I'm sticking move. That's how we move. Lot of cats used to be in the city's palace. Referees, rules and regulations. This is, they don't know rules and regulations us. They coming in 430 in the morning, blasting. They put sick and all knock out drugs instead of Kool-Aid. You know what I'm saying? They put agent vodka tools. A lot of cats are in the other arenas. They say, okay, this is how we go. It's legal. We're going to do this. We're going to lock you up. You know what I'm saying? You have a bail bar. Then they didn't deal them like that with us, man. That's the reality. So I pivot. I stick the move. I hit my office. It was my office. The streets. I touched down with my brother. There ain't scapegoat. You want to play with me and him to me? Shout out to scapegoat, John. Shout out to scapegoat. We're out of phony. I touched down with them. I touched down with these justices at Morris Brown College. He's going to do an event there. Lot of cats like, man, hold on. Where you at, man? This event. Damn, we get out. I want to fight for the luxury. To have that space and arena. We can move on our own terms. But a lot of times people ask me, how many members do you have in your organization? I say, shh. A lot of times, I mean, people, police, they're murdered. People get involved in struggle one, three ways. Inspiration, aspiration, desperation. See, you heard Fieldmaster George Jackson? Fieldmaster George Jackson, born in West High Chicago. Orgon, phenomena. It was mandatory. You get locked up. You on key. We had to know who this was. Fieldmaster for the Black Panther Party. San Quentin. Fieldmaster George, it's a book called Solidarity. Brother, I recommend y'all check it out. And also, Blood of Mine. Check it out. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. He organized, said the joint. Minister U.E.P. didn't even heard about him when he was locked up. Later on, he sanctioned him to be Fieldmaster for the Black Panther Party. He politicized his younger brother, John and Jackson, through the letters. John and Jackson came up in the courtroom, Mary County courtroom. That's when they saw him, we said, walk them in the courtroom, get down. That's what he referenced. Mm-hmm. I'm sure y'all heard of Angela Davis. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. John and Jackson, the case that she has, they said the weapons that he had was her name. John and Jackson went to the Mary County courtroom. Rochelle's in Cumbergeet, they're up in the courtroom. Mary County, he judged, he doesn't take the shotgun to his neck and say, man, gentlemen, I'll be taking over from here. So we go on to the radio station. 16, 17 years old. 16, 17 years old. Say, gentlemen, I'll be taking over from here. We go on to the radio station, the broadcast to the world, what's happening up inside these concentration camps. Mm-hmm. I said, again, 16, 17 years old. Came out the courtroom, they gunned down, man. Rochelle's in Cumbergeet, still locked up right now as we speak. One of the longest-held political prisoners. You know, William Christmas, John McClain, Hale County, they gunned John and Jackson down. They referred to him as a young man child. It was, you know what I'm saying? It was a different definition. This is August 7, 1970. August 21st, 1971, Field Marshal George Jackson and San Quentin was assassinating the San Quentin Prison Yard. Go put up the funeral service for Field Marshal George Jackson. Minutes before he came up in there, he said, man, him and Chairman Bobby Sear, Minutes before he came up and said, man, Field Marshal George Jackson, don't bring no flowers, bring shotguns to my funeral. This man, they still talk about him in the prison records right now. This was, have you referred to the Stumpard Ground, San Quentin? This should be mandatory. See, I told these youngsters one time, I said, y'all got all these Luciano or Al Capone? I could go for them if you had nothing else. I'm talking real models. They're no role models. Real people that come from my community, man. You understand, they can relate to us, man. He was giving a sentence from one to life for a person that they sent us. Man, this kid was doing 10,000 push-ups. Man, solid. This kid here, man. Man, they target this kid. Check him out, man. He ain't selling stuff, he sells stuff, sells himself, man. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. That's why, man, you get to talking. I can't cut him off. Welcome back to the 85 South Show, man. I ain't got nothing to get out there and say. I'll tell you that. But look, check this out, man. We're going to leave that as part one, and we're going to bring part two, when they bring some of the comrades in here. Show them right. So, can I ask a question? Can I ask a question? So, I know you said you'd pull. Yeah. You could. So, like, how is it broken down? Because I know you're part of the third-party generation of the whole situation. Because I know me, lately, I've been getting into my spiritual journey. And I've been getting into my books. And I've been being directed to some of you guys's, you know what I'm saying, stances. And I'm kind of more so for the people as well. So, when I'm here, you speak. I'm more so like, fucking right, hell, yeah. You dig what I'm saying? So, it's like, when was that moment when you realized, this is what I got to do? Throughout my life, I felt this, right? You know, and I was talking to her earlier, even in Houston when I speak. I recall when I speak, I was trying to hold my hands down who was in second nature to move my hands. And I seen footage of him, Chairman Fred speaking, moving his ass. Oh, man, it's the business. And, you know, and when I was deprived, it was suspended from school for just talking about him. You know what I'm saying? And I had a, I was deprived of the political assessment, analysis, what happened to the Black Power movement. I people say, well, the movement just died away. No, no, no. It was military defeated. Ironologically, it won. That means that to this day, people still have a love and admiration for Black Panther Party. And we had to fight. We still got to fight for that legacy. You know what I'm saying? You have to be real careful with this legacy, man. It's a, man, a lot of attempts to co-opt it, war it down. You know what I'm saying? The Black, the Cubs don't mean that we're some young cats, man. We're the ideological offspring of the Black Panther Party. You know what I'm saying? This is it, man. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know how long we're going to be around, but we, we attempt to walk in there, not their footsteps, but their Panther poll steps. You know, our programs can be correlated to that. You know what I'm saying? And a lot of cats, you know what I'm saying? I'd be doing interviews with people, right? And see, a lot of times, there don't be questions to be commentaries. But that's really nice. You know, this is no slight. Nobody, Black Lives Matter. I said, what part did I say that? I said, Black Panther Party Cubs. See, the narrative, see, the narrative, like, the words giving you, it was just, you know, slight. You know, that's your cup of tea, so be it. But man, parking it at this hip, man. This, this, this, this cloth, the Black Panther Party Cubs. You know what I'm saying? That's our logo right there, man. That's it. That's it. That's our logo, man. You know what I'm saying? We have ideology. It's where we walk, it's where we talk. You know what I'm saying? It's our dialogues, our turn. And they're saying, church, what's your call? It's our calling. You know what I'm saying? And see, it's a structure checks and balances. You know what I'm saying? That, see, contradictions. Minister U.E.P., you know what I'm saying? Contradictions are the ruling principle of the universe. They got us scared. They acknowledge contradictions. Oh, man, we not all the same. We, we, excuse me, we all the same. We believe, man, no, no communities like that. With the American Revolution, they tell you everybody was told Patrick Henry said, give me liberty and give me death. That's not all. Thomas Jefferson told you what was going on. With the American Revolution. One third was for it. One third was against it. And one third was whichever the wind blew. You know what I'm saying? We are realists. You know what I'm saying? These, these are some forces, some support forces I'm gonna bring online with you. You know what I'm saying? That we, every nook and cranny of the community, people say, well, I can't be no revolutionist. Some sort of support. You know what I'm saying? Cats be like, man, how you deal with this cat? You know what I'm saying? This cat, man, they, you know, they in this and this. We deal with the people. We, we are trying to draw a line of demarcation. Who you with? The state of the people. Not your Virgo or Scorpio. Not your Christian or Muslim or Cripple of Blood, Disciple of Stone. Who you with? The people of the state. You know what I'm saying? Hey, I'm Carlos Miller. We all shop online and we've all seen that promo code box by the tone. Thanks to Honey. Manually searching for coupon codes is a thing of the past. Honey is the free browser extension that scours the internet for promo codes and applies the best one it finds to your cart. 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So I come from structures of contestant. They just say, oh, man, it's his son, man. Okay, that's good. You the champ. Oh, no, no, they ain't going with us. Contested conditions. Let's see what they do in the Seward Max tabs. Let's see what they do. They try to bomb off the assassination attempts on his life. Now we're talking. You know what I'm saying? This ain't no Egyptian dynasty. Like it just passed down to you. You know what I'm saying? It's called Contested Conditions. I'm the chairman. We have an ambassador of international fares. We have a minister. You know what I'm saying? We have a minister of education. We have a structure. Check some balances. Structure. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Now even with the movie, those are the structures we had earlier on. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on. You know, rag tag group of cats. This is my homie. It's structure. Check some balances. Well, let's bring some of the, let's bring some structure around here. What we got with us today? We got a few forces, man. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Bring your family. Bring your company around here. Bring your company around here. You know what I'm saying? This is just, you know what I'm saying? We got my nephew. This is about this man, Don Pete. It's a piece he just released when we called it Cold and Culture. Right. A piece of Free Amal, right? Just, you know what I'm saying? We've been, man, this video, y'all check it out. It was shot not only in the Hampton House, but also Oakland, California. Oakland, Chicago is going to see the sister cities. Also, also deck, you know what I'm saying? This brother here, man, they get this, it's an opportunity for them to get an April. We have every, annually, man. Right, drink. You know what I'm saying? Once again. Waffle money. He's checking a love move. You know what I'm saying? And I can say, I can't. The love movement. This brother here. Get down, walk you up, man. I'm not. I've been here. I'm just like, damn, man, they sectioned out for real. They come in. You can bring in a man. Real talk. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Let's get it. Yo, okay, send it. Yo, yo. So yeah, he coming in. So these are different forces in the community that we work with. You know what I'm saying? So we have support of different forces. You know what I'm saying? It's online. So you can't limit us up. Say, man, just knock them off. You be doing it. It's a climate. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's an atmosphere. Right. The way we go, like, damn, I thought, I can't say. What's up, G? You can't say. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Come, man, come and support us in community. The community. See, we say the people, that's our best security. You know what I'm saying? Right. And people come and all walks of life, man. Right. You know what I'm saying? And we don't come and all this. Like, the Bible says, I'm like, you know, bring your weary, your tired. We being that. Bring us all. See, lo, you in the state, we can deal with whatever contradiction. And we come through, we got contradictions. But some point you into the struggle, man. That's what we deal with, man. We have the code of culture. You'll say, can we go and hear every looking credit? Because somebody has to see me there. Oh, I'm gone. Right. I got a tactic for them. All right. I hear them from the right. I hear them from the left. And that's all. Oh, man, I'm gone. All right. All right, money. You know what I'm saying? Man, what do you think of that? You know what I'm saying? Bring us all to the state. You're going to hear the term, free them all. Your barber shop. Your pool hall. At your clubs. You know what I'm saying? They last night. They joined last night. You know what I'm saying? Man, King and Dad, that's what I'm saying. Talking to A-Con, that's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? My brother, I guess my brother Slab, another cast. Wherever you go, you can't duck and duck. You want to finally say, listen, man, I ain't with that. I'm with the deal. You really want to see you with the state or the people? That's it. Right. Right. I'm with the motherfucking people. Show you right. Of course. Bring them all. Show you right. Everybody. Bring them all. Oh, gee, what's that? Oh, this is love. Brother, love. Yes, son. I'm going to lay that. Okay then. All right, let on. No, no, no, brother. You did. And y'all forgive me. You know, I got to get back safely, you know. I'm in Chicago. And I got a big event to 420. Me, baby. My birthday party and award for the chairman of that in Chicago. 420? Yeah. So I got to stay safe and get back. So no disrespect. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. My people, I go back to the council and show they're cute. You're in love, brother. You're good. You're in love. Oh, man, I have to say something. You two guys, I mean, friend and family, I love you, brother. For sure. Yeah, good spirits. Okay, man, you're doing a great job. Keep up the good work. Thank you. We appreciate it. I've been on the road. I've been with the people for the first time. I go up in and I can tap in with the individuals for the people. They're real. Right. The first time I bumped here, I broke them. For my first week out of the field, I broke them. Yeah. And you put them on over there with Moe. Yup. And Moe. And we got them here with Moe. Over there with Moe. And then the same thing. You see the thing with the song and being a chairman of the DC, I know in this day of times, it ain't what you say, it's how you say it. So when you try to be conscious or get them a history or something, you got to say it a certain way or they're going to shun it. So I try to put it in a way where I can explain the history. I can explain exactly what happened with the chairman on December 4th of 1969 and explain George Jackson, the fieldmaster George Jackson, Jonathan Jackson, the minister who he knew. Mention all these names, Marcus Gargoyle, all these names that I mentioned in the song, but put it in a way where they can understand it. That's what I said, like I said, the chairman said, we need to shoot a visual tour. Now, the vision, when you see what I'm saying and it's flashing on the screen, you can see the people on the talk about it. It's seeking a little different. You can understand a little more. But like you said, there ain't nobody that's being on board now. So I know I got to use my voice to reach to you because everybody ain't talking about that. Sometimes it ain't cool. What's right ain't cool sometimes. So I forgot about being cool. At this age of time, it was going on right now. That's why I went on when I was behind the wall and the chairman told me that I already know what he's been through and what he'd go through, how many hours of sleep he lose and what type of fight he's doing every day. So I ain't got no choice but to get in the ring with him. The worst thing to do is go to war with some souls that don't know what we're fighting for. So I'm trying to give them the knowledge and let them know what the fight is and what we're fighting for. How are you going to go to war with some individuals that don't even know what we're fighting for? You just get on the front line with me and you don't even know what the aim is, what the target is. You ain't got no knowledge. So I try to give them the knowledge and implement that in my song. So they're going to sit down, okay, now I get it. Because a lot of the stories they've been walking up on are like, man, bro, I didn't know who, I looked up who, who, who. I didn't know he did this, I didn't know he did that. But you can't get mad at them. If you never brought it to them or taught them how they supposed to know it. So I made sure when I was behind the wall, I took enough time as I can to give the knowledge to myself so I can give it to the youth or give it to somebody and prevent them from running the same brick walls I did. You know what I'm saying? You did, right? Like you found a way to, to, to, to, to, to, relay the message in a way that they would get it. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? You said the wrong way, they don't get it. They don't want to hear it. It's conscious rap. So I gave it to them where it's conscious but it's still gangsta. It's like gangsta, but whoa. Oh, he's saying this, but I'll slide it in. So I don't lose. I got to keep him around. Right. Because you know people go and dip a little cup. Oh, when he just said, when they back, what he just said? Put that, put that pound of cup, political pill in the apple sauce. The apple sauce pill he talked about. Mm-hmm. That's so. He said, like, some sort of, he didn't put that in me, some sort of story. What man, he encouraged me out. What was it? What was it? All color codes. Nobody. Tell me nobody. Nobody. But I think that's the way everybody just keeps. Structure. We need structure. See, we got to combat liberalism, man. See structure, that was, we, we, we hate structure. You know what I'm saying? We, it's ideal. I'll tell you on this commercial, the day I seen the commercial, right? They told us, they say, she told her, choose to eat the broccoli. And she said, oh man, you can, the truth, y'all got to stay here and just eat the broccoli. And then they said, you know, she put some cheese on it. I said, why this caramelized it come from? Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Man, did, we come from the clover, man, checks and balances. You know what I'm saying? I can't just say, I'm the chairman. Oh, I'm the son, no, hold it accountable. You know what I'm saying? We need structure. You know what I'm saying? Check some balance. Our community, because the deal is, this system, and they ain't cut no coins with us, man. You know what I'm saying? And you got to see, like, a criminal psychologist said, behavior is affected by consequences. Behavior is affected by consequences. It's not what you, it's certain cases that believe you say, well, I ain't gonna do this because I mean, well, man, it's repercussions that come from it. Our community is so disrespected because people feel like the slum lords are told, when they come for merchants come in the country, do what you want to do to them. Sell them what you want to sell them. Talk to them how you want to talk to them. Grab your young sisters and put them behind the glass at 15 years old and run a muck. You know what I'm saying? Sell the garbage to them. The music industry. Go turn one away radio stations and try singing that garbage to them. The ante is up. You say, hold on, man. So we don't care to get, listen, man. We don't care. Who would be listening? We ain't, man, they had this thing called voter die from years back. I asked them to catch what they had come across in the state lines. We didn't play that. See, they said, man, no other community says them like, vote for lesser to evil. You know what I'm saying? You have a voter die. You have to, if you told some sisters, like sisters say, I'm a boy with somebody. I don't, you know what I'm saying? I'm just getting guaranteed. Catch me like, man, we ain't got to take no shower, we ain't got to bring no flowers. You know what I'm saying? She going out is guaranteed. You know what I'm saying? Our people deserve better. Up the ante when it comes to dealing with us. You know what I'm saying? It's a certain thing you got to say in the six years of climbing. You come, you know what I'm saying? Hold on, man. We can get knocked up out of here. Police killing what you're saying about that. Hold on, the draft. They had a draft. You know what I'm saying? Muhammad Ali, what you saying? Hold on, what's your position on this? Not vice-versa. You know what I'm saying? The party. It wasn't women were in position, not for no affirmative bashing, so you can say, oh, we got some women. No, that wouldn't work. You know what I'm saying? You had to, you had to, the ante was up. Even your relationships. Chairman Furrier said the best dressed brother won another jack in the 45. You know what I'm saying? Sister, when he talked to you, you said, what you doing with the movement? I ain't up with that. It was what? Out of here. Man, we done a protest one time out west, man, in Chicago Avenue. Man, apologize to this guy. One of the most beautiful scenes I've seen. It's capture hundreds. So she said, man, she said, you ain't over here with us? Protesting? You didn't get my ear. And he gotta be up, man. Your music, it creates a different type of dynamic. A different type of athlete. Different type of church. Different type of, you know what I'm saying? No one can say I'm neutral in that. Different type of richer pride. Community genius richer pride was impacted by the Black Panther Party. He talks about what pride. New Year's Eve, he met Chairman Fred. He talks about how Chairman Fred talked to him about the party program. Talks about what pride. He gave $1,000 for the breakfast program. Took him, you know what I'm saying? Took him out. Mr. Russell's talking about what pride. You gotta catch bragging, bums on their ears, man. Ain't no contribution to the struggle. You know, all these old GMOs, government-made organizations. I support it. Hold on, man. You mean, you said in my city, you claim it? And you ain't connected? Just 15 hours? We down and shot right. Left and right. You ain't in so much of these conditions? Now, not a watch. Out there, man. Other community. You command, listen, man. Other whole people are accountable, man. You gave me some connection. You just can't come through. Some people are Black when it's beneficial. Play Panther when it's profitable. And connect with Cubs when it's comfortable. See, he turns more than me, Black. He turns more than me, Black. What that means is Michael Jackson tell you, I ain't, I ain't, I'm not up with all that, that Black stuff. When that case comes down, this tool will change. They don't care about us. So, you know what I'm saying? See, the heat and the deal is, the stake gotta bring, the stake gonna bring heat, or we gonna bring the heat. You know what I'm saying? Uh-huh. You, you, you said, catch, they feel like this can grab you, like, oh, yeah, we all, oh, now we together, huh? Uh-huh. You gonna do that in your household. That's why it comes to, we're a family, you ain't say, man, are you with us? No, man. You know, they pop up with it. At tax time, hey, family. What? Hold on, man. I thought we went together. So our people, we all, they don't even respect you. Who is she? Honestly, I'm just giving them a tax time. No, in a good, man, didn't see it. The Black Panther Party cause, see, we with this, man, when it's not fashionable. Right, right, right. We catching cases for this here. You know what I'm saying? When they got pictures in good, they got me and Chairman Frey and Pitch, and every gun tower, and we're not penitentiating right now to this date. I'm 15, 16 years old. See, the first race scene, seven-digit police station. They put out pictures, Fred Pitch is a Chairman Frey. I put it to my, this is his son right here. This the, he did, see, I'm at this cab about 15 years old. The sister comes to him and says, this is a dude, say, he Chairman Frey's son. I say, what? Okay, then Scott, you probably gonna see this too, you know what I'm saying? Shout him out. I track him down. I say, man, you telecast your Chairman's son? He said, brother, I'm, I'm Honorable Elijah Muhammad's son. I'm Chief Maliq's son. I'm Chairman Larry Hoover's son. I said, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean like, who your mother? I had a relationship with. My last couple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, I said, listen, man, I was hoping. I was hoping I had a sibling. Right. So you can catch half of this heat that come with this here. See, I'll romanticize this, this heat that come with this here, man. You know what I'm saying? And that's the deal that said, we gotta up the ante. You tell me, when cats can come, whether it be artists, whether it be different arenas and stuff, oh man, oh yeah, I'm with this here, cats pop up, like even the Black Panther Party. There was no show reality with the movie. It was naming cats, quote, cat, hold on, who is this? Oh, no, no, they might be at the tailgate party outside. I'm telling you, these cats here got dirt under their cleats. They got scars in the football, in the huddle. I ain't telling you what I'm saying. They went out there, they went out there, I ain't telling you what I'm saying. At the tailgate party. Catching heat is it. Yeah, put some work in with this here, man. My family. It's my nephew, man. There's three situations. I don't want to, I don't want to, the whole two, three times. Last time I talked to them, they told me about the movie. I'm in the hole at the time. I'm about to be leather. But at the time, you know, I had to sit a little across the hall, because I couldn't get no steps. I was on the street. So I sat across the hall, I get to my man to sit and let him up, people. They get inside the bottle for me. They come grab me. They give me six more months at the hole. They said, I'm inciting a ride. Because I was on the town right at 10 or 10. The only way I get out of it, when the warden came to him with me, I saw him, my mother is. I saw him, my whole contact list. Okay, Kim, we here at the show. And I'm like, this is my family. I have to wear my family in a leather. When they look to your phone call, they come snack and take me to the hole again. So I know it's them that come with it. I know it's a fight. Even when I ain't fighting, I'm fighting. People watching everything that's going on. You mean tell me, I'm in here, and I'm writing a letter to my uncle about a situation. And y'all come take me to the hole and say, I'm inciting a ride. And I'm starting to talk on a political printer. I'm trying to start a political on right in the jail. So I did six months of writing a letter to the jail. You know what I'm saying? It's the games they play. It's the reality. As well, it's important. It's imperative that we have, you know what I'm saying? So I'm going to shout out to y'all. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that real talk, man. For how they set the avenues, venues, kick it out, you know what I'm saying? The event corner, you know what I'm saying? Brother's birthday, man. You know what I'm saying? Party, have a good time at the same time. That politics. We got a bad conception of the struggle. You know what I'm saying? Like, all of that stuff. Man, when we're on the sidestones, we're everyday people. We party, we kick it, we chop it up. Everything. Your music, it's the people, man. New York talk. And Chairman Frey said, you're afraid of socialism, you're afraid of yourself. It's the people's thing, man. Real talk. So I heard you break it down when you were like, you got the Black Panther Party, you got the Black Panther Party, the CUN. Yes, sir. So what is the difference between the first ones, you know, UEP New, and then now to this generation? Yes, sir. Minister of UEP New. Minister of UEP New. So you're right. Yes, sir. That was the groundbreakers, man. That's the visionary. That's the visionary, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? We humble ourselves to that legacy, man. You know what I'm saying? As we brought the ground to 10-point platform, you know what I'm saying? And nothing stays exactly the same. Two minutes ago, it was history, respected for that, but it was ever-developing. You know what I'm saying? Like, even with the United States, they studied West Point differently. They studied General Patton, those before them, but they put it in context. It's things that would may have been, I'm going to teach them, I'm going to teach them, uh, it's about Slab, his son, the day. He's tweaking, he's telling us updated terms. Things are constantly ever-developing. I'm having a flashback when I talked to them just some years back. And I was talking about MySpace, and y'all started laughing at me. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. You got to, so things are ever-developing. So we got to be constantly moving, but keep the core of it. You know what I'm saying? So Black Panther Party Cubs, that's the organization. That's, you know what I'm saying? That's Karen Legacy Black Panther Party. We want to set the ground, you know what I'm saying? Cultivate the soil. You know what I'm saying? For those who pick up the guitar, you know what I'm saying? After we gone. Mm-hmm-hmm-hmm. Bad, man. J-O-N, man. Play me some. But it's shit beautiful. This shit's so deep, man. I ain't even gonna cap. I'm the chairman, man. Don't let this be the last time you stop for the trap, man. Hey, man, I'm honored and humbled to be here. I look forward. We look forward to coming back, coming back with y'all, man. You say you're good. Y'all ain't got nothing to do with y'all, y'all. Oh, I want a strategic move, man. You know what I'm saying? I see what I want to do. Mm-hmm. What I can do is that it's like, it's like, I'm fighting a set of, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a visionary, man. Yes, I am. You know, fighting to get things in place, man. You know what I'm saying? It's like time and all that. So, you know what I'm saying? So, we got some, we got a lot of forces on deck, you know what I'm saying? So, I'm working on it, man. You know what I'm saying? It's like Malcolm X to the collective conscience of the people tick slowly. Mm-hmm. But it erupts the volcanic force to make Malcolm say him like nothing. You know what I'm saying? So, hey, I'm at a guy playing basketball. I said, who was up there on Rutgers Court watching? Oh, man, Dube, you on some draft notes. He ain't just watching no basketball, can he look at? Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? It's natural to me. When I come through, I see colors. I say, OK, light blue and black. I see, that's what I want this for. I'm hooked on this. I'm hooked on this struggle, man. So, oh, for you, hey, we on and popping, man. Real talk is, hey. We said the cubs are coming. The cubs are coming. The black and the party cubs are here. We're coming. We're coming. Well, look, man, this is exactly why we built this platform. It's to have black people. I like it. I love it. Black voices come and speak on it. Everything from entertainment to social economic statuses and revolutions and everything involving black people. So don't ever hesitate to use our platform to get the information. You got another media out there. Right on. You get what I'm saying? It's on the pop. Yes, sir. And they can't cancel this. We're talking. I'm on it, man. It's something we don't get the real raw uncut truth. That's right. And, hey, we, there's so much more shit we can sit here and chop it up and talk about it. No, this is real on it. Bro, I'm just telling you, man, we're making you take this history. This is real. Hey, that's what we're talking about, y'all. Is it a reason or a lesson? This is not a fuck up job. What the fuck? That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. I know a lot of people look at me, right? Mm hm. I'm a street person. Right. And why he messes with some other stuff? You got your stuff, you know? And I say to myself, I say, yeah, I'm financially cool. I do what I do. But it's one thing I learned about him by watching him. All the years I've known this man, by the time you didn't have a dollar in his pocket, man, people don't even know that. And people wouldn't even help him. He'll call me, I'll step up. If people knew what that man went through, man, and so serious about his legacy, they would understand his struggle. I believe right now, he would eat out a garbage can before he damaged his father's legacy. I believe he'd eat out a garbage can. Seriously, I'd have seen it. Struggled a hard time, like he said, lights, gas off. And all these people had a lot of money, wouldn't even help him. This is God, man, that's helping this man right now. This is time. And it's going to shine. He like been around me because I'm the love movement. I'd never fake you. If I told you something, that's what it was. You'd ask anybody in the country, if I say we're going to the moon, I'm getting a spaceship. Keep your word. Keep your promise, man. Do that. No matter what you do, keep your word and your promise. That's why I hang with him. Manager, I was in Chicago at the beginning, $1,000. But the money part is not important because I know his legacy is going to be something. He probably get a lot of heat from being me, man. You the Panther Party, well, you got players all in your party. He probably get heat. He's born of the heat. See? But that heat he get keeps that guy right there. You'll feel, Marsha? Keep on dead. And even the time. This man kicked those in, man. And then he get ready to kick the dough in. He told me, so you know what I do money. I see your face. And I said, love movement. Love movement. Same with him. But I'm glad that what I got can rub on them and help them, man. Because he's my brother for real, man. He's my brother. Mr. Siam Love, whatever. You got rub off of the glasses. Shout out also, when I'm making some major moves, man. Grandmaster was my brother's name last night. Virgil, I'm going to shout him out, but Slap. It's a, you know what I'm saying? These enforcers, like I said, you can't plan all these moves, man. And I love the people, man. Straight up, man. I was locked up one time, this kid say, how would you see him? I said, man, listen, man. Politics, man, the potential of our people, man. Real talk. Contradicts and all. We all got flaws. We all damaged you. I'll do an interview one time, so I said, well, I'm not damaged. I said, shit. Oh, you come from us. This government can't transfer a TV without damaging it. I said, you ain't damaged it. I said, who the hell you on? You know what I'm saying? But the deal is, man, we all got scars and bars, man. But I know, I don't see what we can do, man. You know what I'm saying? Like my brother said, events they be doing, so we come in. They try to keep us subjected like these different clicks. And you know what I'm saying? I search out for points of unity, you know what I'm saying? OK, what can we agree on? You know what I'm saying? Man, you go to the events, man. The wards and all that type of stuff. You know what I'm saying? My nephew, different girls, the youngsters with the music and all the kids. They have blockers up. And vice versa, you know what I'm saying? Different arenas, man. The people, the Sandinistas in East Friday, Latin America, they had a saying that the will of the people is greater than the man's technology. You know what I'm saying? We can't afford the luxury, man. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Well, I don't fool the Virgo, the Capricorns, or the guys, or the players. I don't fool them. You know what I'm saying? They catch the rap industry, you know what I'm saying? Or even gender or generational contradictions, you know what I'm saying? Old-cast, young-cast, man. It was a climate. You know what I'm saying? At the Hampton House, this kid, he do painting. So every film artist had got to come through here. He did the painting at the house. That's his job. He didn't charge. His mother seen him on live doing the painting at the Hampton House. You know what I'm saying? He put out colors, the light blue and black. She said, you know who you was at? They never had a conversation before. And that opened the door for the conversation. You know what I'm saying? If you catch this party, the party that impacts us in so many ways, it's like we scared to talk about it. It's a floodgate. Once it opened, man, listen. Lenin, can they lend me with Russian Revolution? So it takes people 20 years in an ordinary time. They done two years of revolutionary times, man. Real talk. You hear the call, that's how I slogan, free them all. You hear through all the joints, all the count, the music, the studios, the play of the barbershop. It's a, you know what I'm saying? And you can still be, like that's the channel over to the disciples. There was always a little black disciples. The free breakfast program, they're still disciples. There was a little black disciples, the black people from the nation, the bias of the free medical center. So it's a different, athletes, it's a different dynamic. Look at the cast on the movie. Man, this is Dominique Fishback, just talking about, she said, man, the impact of playing, you know, David Johnson, Daniel, I'm talking very, very, I mean, the conversations we had, the key staff here, just, I mean, he was going, man, he asked me, he was, you know, he was dressed in a costume, he was doing breakfast with a little Charlemagne. And then it was crazy. Out of the mean we had at the table until Charlemagne said, man, what's changing in these dudes? You know what I'm saying? Man, it's politics, man. We said it's a demo 20 million niggas, 20 million niggas on this politics, man. Real talk. Amen, man. Thank you for coming through here and blessing us and putting us up on some games. I'm honored. We're honored. He used to call him, he'd say, don't be free while I got the captain. My fault. He's my man, he's still my little young nephew. So he ain't gonna keep, he's like Capitol Pease. Right, right, right. Killing all previous angry thoughts of life. That's what the Capitol's been for. I can't go on and get the time. Capitol Pease. Right. You know, you be holding your young nephew like that. You be holding your young nephew like that. Okay, before we go. Before we go. He was 50 years old, he was a nephew. We been serious all day. We been serious all day. What's up with the sad burns, man? Listen, man. I know it's all that shit. I know it's all that shit. Much love to the old Hampton family. Hey man, hold on, hold on, man. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, man. Get on his ass. Get his ass. Hey, we on this. Can they smooth, man? They smooth. We on this. Hey, listen. When I'm in the joint right, I come out one day, man. And I, man, the sideburns get chopped out of it. They want to move it. The guys, they say, hold on, hold on, hold on. We the sideburns. Right. It's a man, it's a man. It's a chairman, friend of the sideburns. It's a politician. It's his man. And he on the movie, he said, then the brother was playing the cherry. The sideburns, man, this is a man. The whole aura to a man, a, a, a, I can appointment to a chairman for us. As a child, I grew up looking forward to not be here in the sideburns. And they're receding the headline. I can't do that. They don't ever want to move. Yes, sir. The sideburns, man. The sideburns. That's the path of politics, man. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Fuck you, man, baby. Get out of here. Yes, sir. You did it. You did it. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Now that's hard. Now that's hard. Now that's hard. Now that's hard. That's hard. Oh, you see, you ain't even speak on it. Oh, man. You were dead. He was waiting on you. He was dead. Oh, he was knowing what an uncle do. He was keeping the same. Oh, what I'm doing? I'm just lurking on the new merch. 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