 It's very strange that your level of access depends on the media like you said that when watching TV in Poland you find less accessibility than the United Kingdom but actually you enjoy going to cinema because most films in Poland, all four films will be subtitled and it's easy to find a screening near your home and so that's a very interesting experience. When you look back to your early years and maybe as a teenager you already said that you enjoyed going to cinema with friends watching those foreign films because I guess you couldn't watch Polish films because they were not subtitled, they were subtitling only foreign films at that time and I guess on television if you wanted to watch a series there was not even much less subtitling than today so would you say that we have made a lot of progress in general when it comes to technology and now a life of a hard of hearing person is easier or maybe because there's also more online interaction and so on maybe there are new difficulties that you didn't have in the past as a hard of hearing community. The progress in Poland is visible to me so there is no denying the fact when I met Agnieszka I think in 2012 I think we met in Warsaw during the seminar I've organized it was not as good as it is now so there is a progress but obviously we have to remember that UK have had the act communication act in 2003 given 10 years to go to 80% or even 100% of subtitling therefore you know you are basically catching up but you are catching up fast which is really positive news and I think you know the mentality the approach towards people with hearing loss is also slowly changing we're talking more about it when online platforms help us to mobilize to speak more about it so that definitely has helped and of course hard of hearing people are becoming even more and more impatient because they communicate with the data and I always found the role of the umbrellas global umbrellas international umbrellas is important because they put together people who do not have any accessibility with people who have very good accessibility and therefore we can learn from each other we can learn how to to lobby what is needed and what we actually missing because my motto is what do you know when you actually don't know and there are countries where hard of hearing people have no idea what my life is like in UK and what kind of accessibility I have which I sometimes take for granted yeah I have to jump in here and say that it does depend on the country definitely but it also depends so much on the language we are now meeting on zoom and we've got all the life captions on and they're working quite well I have to say but then we're speaking in English if we were to sweet and to polish that wouldn't work right so there's still I suppose a lot to be done in terms of other languages yes you are absolutely right and during the recent and Slovenian presidency of the European Union there was a really interesting conference on audiovisual media services directive European Accessibility Act which is also directive and all the different discussions around this and one of the most important discussions was while we are showing UK as the good example and the leader on accessibility we have to also understand that UK in some ways and Americans are lucky ones because those languages have been invested so much into that everybody can have that kind of access but when it comes to minority languages the investment and working around them and developing them it's still not at the same level as with English language so that that is also an area where your European Federation of how the hearing people is looking at that we need to have those minority languages invested in