 Okay. So hello, my name is Patrick Fischer. I'm from Wikipedia, Germany. I'm the main editor for Timoleste in German Wikipedia. First, a little disclaimer. This event was planned originally as a workshop, talking with each other and finding solutions to help little communities to become bigger ones. In the end, the result is a little speech of myself telling you some ideas I had, which are not tested. So I hope you get maybe some ideas from me. You can use, you can try, but there is no assurance that it will work. I was planning to go to Timoleste three years ago. I wanted to go there for three weeks and try to make workshops there for editing Wikipedia. And I heard before of many people who went to the Global South, made wonderful workshops, people were coming and everybody was happy and everybody was excited to write articles in Wikipedia in their own language. And just when the teacher has gone from the country, every editing stopped at once. So the question is what is worth or what could we do? Okay, so what to do? It would take two minutes? Does everyone have their bags with you? They are bags. Does everyone have their own bags? No one is missing a bag, right? No one is missing a bag, okay. No, that's mine. Okay, there's a black bag in the plenary. If you are missing a black bag, please head to the plenary to claim it. Thank you. Sorry for disrupting. Okay, so where we have been. Yes, and what was the possibility to make it more real for a longer time? And I was thinking to my experiences in Germany, which editors are staying in the community, not stopping editing after a short time. And this are mostly the ones who are meeting each other in real life. So the social life is very, very important for many editors, for many users of Wikipedia, Wikimedia. And so this would maybe be the possibility for these young communities to exist. So how to create a community? It's mainly really about social lives. And we have in Munich one of the oldest user meetings in real life. We call it the Stammtisch. So it's a meeting in a bar or a little restaurant once a month and just come there and talk to each other. No other thing, no computers, no mobiles, just talk to each other. Maybe talking about something what you've done in Wikipedia, but it could be something about social life just to become friends, just to understand each other and maybe solving some conflicts too. That's quite important there. Another thing is organizing tours, excursions. In Munich we are going together sometimes at weekends to one of our mountains, wandering around there in the nature, making many, many photos. Many photos loading up later for comments. So that's the result for the Wikimedia, but it's again a social community making stronger together. We are doing projects together. We are going to museums, asking them to making photos of their exhibitions or their archives. We are going around the city making photos of the buildings. We are organizing edit tons about different teams, for example. And during this time, sometimes we are giving lessons again for new editors. Competitions are always very, very important for Wikimedians. Many, many people started with competitions to editing or making photos for Wikimedia. Of course, when you start first in a country, the media is very important. I think in Germany it started really Wikipedia in 2005 when everybody was talking about Wikipedia. What is Wikipedia? It was in national TV, it was in every newspaper. And so the people started, whoa, what's that? What's Wikipedia? How does it work? And maybe try it. Oh, it's missing so much. So I have to write a little bit more too. And suddenly, you're an editor and don't know why. Surely you have to work together with organizations. We heard about Uzbek Wikipedia here. Some days ago, they are working together with government, quite successful. Universities are another possibility to get in contact. Maybe some professors are able to help. We have some examples when universities ask their students to write Wikipedia articles as lesson. NGOs could be quite helpful or we can help NGOs too. For example, female rights organizations talking about people health, for example, or bringing people closer to information about pregnancy or against violence against women. Even such organizations like the churches are possible to contact. They want to bring information about the religion, fundamental information to the people. Of course there you have to be very careful that the articles are neutral. The UNESCO is sometimes a help. They have a lot of material which could be used in Wikipedia. You can ask tourist organizations maybe to support you. You can make articles about your area, your country, and make photos. There are many, many, many possibilities for organizations to find. But the only problem in the end is you have to find the right people who want to write Wikipedia all the time and go on writing even after the teacher has gone. That's my five minutes for talking. And now you can ask and you can give me some comments. You can add some ideas if you like. You're welcome. Everybody's full. So we have no little tea break, right? Sometimes take some breath first. Take a microphone. Maybe I'm Daniel. I'm from the Malaysian user group. And I don't really have any ideas. It's just maybe just a feeling of trying to be hopeful, keeping hope. Because when I had a meet-up in 2016, the first Malaysian user group meet-up, it was just three of us. I was the only Malaysian because Butch is based in Singapore. Dolly is Indonesian, but he commits to Malaysian articles. So I just came in as a researcher wanting to meet real Wikipedians. But I was the only Malaysian. And this year we have a Wikipedian of the year from Malaysia. So I think they're out there. But like you say, the outreach and the kind of promotion needs to go. And then eventually it kind of builds up over time, hopefully. We have to find the guys, the wood which we can make on fire really. Yes. I was wondering with those Wikipedians that have engagement with previous, with other cultural institutions and maybe library institutions such as museums, libraries, archives, open data initiatives, activists. Would those be more likely to continue their contribution to Wikipedia? Basically, do those already have some kind of commitment with knowledge or open knowledge and his three keeping alive initiatives, would they be more likely to stick around? Sorry, I didn't really understand what you wanted to ask. So maybe a short. No, I'm just wondering with those Wikipedians that already have some commitments or participation in other cultural institutions or movements, more likely to stay around? I was talking about places just like Timor-Leste where there is nearly nothing in the moment about Wikipedia. So there are the contacts you have to find, you have to find the people. We have now three, four people who want to create a user group in Timor-Leste and to get in contact with all the organizations. We're getting help from several user groups, several Wikimedias now who want to help us like Philippines, Indonesia and German Wikipedia too. So there are many people with many ideas and many supports, but in the end, these guys will be at home in their home country and they have to find their own ways, of course, because I think every country, every culture is different. I can tell how it works in Germany, for example, or how it works in Indonesia and it could be happened that it's totally different than Timor-Leste, so we have found out. But collecting all the ideas is always good to find solutions, of course. Of course, one of the things that we might consider as well is that there might not be those perfect people to find, but what we often need to find is those people in different areas of life. Just like in Estonia, we are, again, not even giving out different awards like Best Wikifotographer of the Year. Because, again, photographers often don't do anything else, but they do add photos. We're giving away our, for instance, friend of Wikipedia award. That does not go to the Wikipedians, that goes to those people, some outside organizations just like this, mentioning clam and institutions that somehow have benefited Wikipedia with their actions and activities and whatever they have communicated out to the general public. It does not mean that they themselves have ever edited. Many of them haven't. But they have done something that really benefits Wikipedia. And of course, there are sort of awards for Wikipedians as well. I mean, there are different areas and this is something that also we might want to pay attention to, that sometimes we don't need people to be Wikipedians to benefit Wikipedia. Okay, but I think this is the second step to find the people which are the cloud all around Wikimedia, Wikipedia, which can support the people. But the problems we have to find the people which are building the core of the new user group and the editors there. We can have one last question, short please. It's more. So we were talking about Timalesz, just for context. And because I'm a steward, I was wondering if there is like some kind of handbook or steps to take when you're starting a community, like electing your first administrator. And I'm helping them now, of course, but it's just by chance that we meet. I want to propose a suggestion, creating like first steps on that. I know they're capacity building stuff, et cetera, et cetera, trainings, but really becoming active in your own project. I'm not sure if there's anything. Leon, do you know anything? There are some things, some rules written by former activists. But there is really nearly nothing. So we have to start in everything. That's the problem. And we have to know where to start. And we have to find the people who wants to start anyhow. So I'm an optimist in this way. Okay, but we have to find the ideas to get more and more people. Munich has 1.3 million inhabitants. Same as Timor-Leste. I think in Munich, where I come from, there are around 250 editors for Wikipedia. If we can get up to 20 or 30 in Timor-Leste, it would be a big success, I would say. Okay, so thank you very much.