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So about roughly 10 minutes Opening statements from each side followed by about 50 to 60 minutes of open conversation And then about 30 to 35 of Q&A So if you happen to have a question feel free to fire it into the old live chat And if you tag me with at modern-day debate, it makes it easier for me to get every question in that Q&A list With that want to let you know as well our guests both Robert and fight the flat earth aka Craig are linked in the description So folks highly encourage you if you enjoy this debate, which I'm confident you will click on their links in the description So that you can hear or read more from both of our guests And so what we're gonna do is just do a quick introduction or greeting for our guests And also ask if they'd be willing to share what people can expect to find at their links and then we'll get right into the debate So first Robert, thanks so much for being with us again And so we're thrilled to have you here and what can people expect to find at your link in the description? They can expect to find probably everything I've done for the last 30 years. I've written over 50 books Probably 500 articles Made four movies. So they're all for sale on that website Debates lectures you name it any medium that I Could find to Get the message out but I'm not only dealing with science I deal with theology mostly might my degrees are in theology but sometimes science and theology overlap and That causes me to Try to get the science in there from a theological viewpoint as much as possible in my work to my books and stuff Some some politics some culture not very much but Basically theological stuff and science stuff on my website All mediums thanks so much glad to have you back and fight the flat earth glad to have you back as well What can people expect to find at your link? I'm FTFE. I'm from the YouTube channel that does to stupidity what Facebook did to Nathan Thompson's group We got 140,000 members in there. The group was just deleted a few minutes ago. Never gonna stop being funny So I'm a 37 year old X-Roll Navy engineer with a degree in physics and a degree in nuclear engineering I was in the service for as long as I could be until I was injured then I became a wind farm developer until my injury became too Much and I left the work in world Concentrated on raising my children got bored when it weren't around so found flat earthers on YouTube Which blew my mind that they actually exist to started to decided to start a YouTube channel kind of arguing against them because I must hate myself or something so That very quickly became a Big thing and a full-time job. So I now spend you know all my time Trying to destroy the idiocy that is the flat earth what I found In my research into science and science-denying is that it's not just the flat earth that denies science and I'm very passionate about calling out science-denying reality Ignoring scientifically literate people that think it's okay to push Demonstratable lies to people that might not have the ability to know better I am very very passionate about this because it's not okay to say the earth is flat my evolution or say the earth is the Center of the solar system because these things are demonstratable lies So I'm gonna hold the position here that The earth is not the center of the universe and heliocentric model is completely correct And I'm gonna base what I say on Occam's razor, which rubber I bought a watch the Debate you had a couple of years ago and you said the Occam razor was what favors the least complicated thing That's not correct. It's what requires the least assumptions So I'll be going with Occam's razor and Hitchens razor that says anything presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence I'm normally pretty outspoken I'm normally pretty outspoken. I'm from Bristol and X-Roll Navy Engineer swearing as part of my lexicum, but as respect for James I'm gonna curtail my normal colorful language and stick to pointing out how ridiculous a geocentric theory is Thanks having me back on James. How sweet now we'll jump into the opening statement So we'll hand it over to Robert and thank you guys both for being here. The floor is all yours Robert All right. Well, thank you for being so candid Appreciate that. I know I know pretty much what I have to deal with now I do want to say one thing though that Brian is a Brian or great, I'm sorry Greg Craig CRI Fight if you like most people on the internet call me fight Yeah, but I'm gonna call you Craig. Okay Okay, so one thing Craig and I do have in common is we're both against the flatters. I think we both appreciate that When science says certain things and they're Verifiable by experiment You know, there's not much you can say it's now sometimes the experiments can be Shifted toward a favored view Sometimes and most of the time when things go wrong the experiments are Not interpreted correctly or they are interpreted to favor a certain view So science does have its flaws in the sense that it's not a perfect institution But at least it's on the right path Men however sometimes get in the way of the science Because there's empirical data on the one hand and then there's what we would like it to be interpreted as because it fits with our cultural worldview or our scientific worldview or In many cases our view of whether God exists or not like even the Flat Earthers for example many of them I think probably 80 90% of them are Christian Evangelicals who believe that the Bible has to be interpreted literally and This is where they get their basis for the Flat Earth because they think the Bible teaches a Flat Earth. I Think that's flat wrong But it just shows you how Influential your theological viewpoint may be on a certain case that issue and The flat the Flat Earth is one but whether the earth is in the center of the universe is another Our worldview is going to impact how we interpret the evidence and that's not something that's easy to get away from So Let me start with the mechanics though. So we have something from which to spring off of We've all heard of Copernicus and Galileo Okay, and we've heard maybe of Tycho Brahe and Kepler and some people around the 1600s who were battling back and forth on whether the earth went around the Sun or the Sun went around the earth They weren't the first ones the Greeks back in the time of the Pythagoreans Aristotle Aristarchus they were battling back and forth the same subject whether the earth went around the Sun or the Sun went around the earth And they were split right down the middle Okay, so when Copernicus started his whole revival of the Copernican or the heliocentric system that he got that from Aristarchus of Samo's and He basically Took it hook line and sinker, you know our start starkest believe the circular orbit to the planets around the Sun and so to Copernicus Ptolemy came in between them and he was a Greek astronomer from the second century and he had the idea that the Sun and the planets went around the earth Where in the Sun takes the third circle and Mars takes the fourth and Jupiter takes the fifth so He had an interesting way to describe the geocentric universe, but we found out later that it didn't work and Although it came close because he put some devices on there like an equant That helped smooth things out and it was a very intriguing very Useful device to try to keep track of where the planets and stars would be Every year and it worked pretty well. It wasn't perfect, but it worked pretty well with his equant I can't go in to describe what an equant is but It made up for the Kind of some of the mistakes that he made in his model. So then comes along Copernicus and he says no the Sun belongs in the center and He thought that he had found the solution to cosmology basically he was hired by the Pope to try to fix the calendar and Copernicus believed that the calendar was messed up because the solar system was messed up so he put the earth back in the center following Aristarchus of Samo's and Like Aristarchus he put the planets going around the Sun including the earth in circular orbits and this caused a problem because We know today the planets don't go around the Sun in circular orbits. They go in more or less elliptical orbits and even that is Sometimes has some flaws in it because it's not exactly elliptical orbits That's another issue. So he really couldn't get his model to work correctly When he started in 1510 by the time he published his book They revolution on this he had in In 1543 he had more epicycles in his model than told him he did Okay, I told him he had 40 epicycles Copernicus ended up with 48 the reason being is because he put the planets in circular orbits. That's one of the reasons So the debate went back and forth, but all those debates were just geometrical Nobody was talking about forces and dynamics and things of that nature. They were just talking about How is it going to look if we put the Sun here the earth here and how are the circles going to be drawn and all that kind of So it's just geometrical by the time of Newton which was He was actually born the day that the year that Galileo died Newton and Leibniz and Euler and a lot of guys during that time Started to get into dynamical forces dealing with gravity and inertia and things of that nature and so Newton proposed that The reason the earth has to go around the Sun was because of his second law of motion that equals ma and if you have a bigger mass on one side of the equation and you put it into an orbit then The smaller of the masses of the two masses is going to have to go around the larger and That makes sense, you know everybody who saw that I mean all the philosophers and manual Kant Hey, go everybody just loved that because We had you finally had the real reason why the earth went around the Sun It wasn't just geometrical anymore. It just didn't look like a pretty picture now We had all the forces behind it So Basically at that time Newton put the knife into the geocentric model Because there wasn't anybody to compete with Newton and put the geocentric model Into a dynamic model. That is one of the forces that is causing the Sun to go around the earth and blah blah so Basically Newton reigned for the next 200 years that was like from 1687 when he published his Principia To about the late 1800s and that's where his reign came to an end At that time a guy named Ernst Mach came along and he said Well, yeah, if you use the solar system as your model and you avoid the rest of the universe Sure, the earth has to go around the Sun. No questions asked Because the Sun is bigger the center of mass is near the Sun and so the earth must go around both bodies go around the center of mass Make sense. Okay But new but Mach said if you include the rest of the universe things change Because now you have dynamic forces coming from the star field The universe that can very well impinge on your solar system And That was a theory that everybody liked. I mean they couldn't argue with it it's one thing to make a Good system like Newton did but if you have a defect as major as excluding the rest of the universe Wow, that says something Yeah, Newton needed an absolute universe and an absolute uniting the absolute time and he needed absolute space The absolute space was that the universe couldn't move it was infinite And everything that we measured would be against the backdrop of this absolute frame of reference the universe So if that's the case, obviously the universe can't move But Mach came along and said well, let's allow the universe to move What would happen in that case? If we kept the earth fixed and we allowed the universe to rotate around it And he had he gave all the equations for you can read it in his science of mechanics And big book about that thick And he explains how it can be done And this is what intrigued Einstein Albert Einstein because he read Ernst Mach's works and he said yeah There is a theory of relativity that we must incorporate into our cosmological mechanics In order to see what is really the truth Is the is the universe going around? a fixed earth or is the fixed earth rotating within within a fixed universe which one is correct so They had done all these experiments In the 1800s and they found And i'm talking about the erigo experiment the 1810s The area experiment george bedell area in 1871 The michelson mortally experiment in 1887 And then they did it again in 1897 all these Experiments were finding that the earth wasn't moving Or at least they could be explained As the earth not moving And this was upsetting to modern science because ever since Copernicus everybody believed that No, the earth was rotating and revolving around the sun But you know, then you have to deal with mach and mach not only Gets out of the solar system where the debate was whether the sun went around the earth or the earth went around the sun He extends it to the universe itself and says Which is true whether the universe goes around a fixed earth or the or the earth rotates within a fixed universe Which one of those is true? So he expanded the argument to include all of cosmic space so But they but they still struggled because they wanted to believe that the earth was moving That was the paradigm that they wanted to follow but they had all these difficulties. How do we prove it? So they did this experiment in 1887 Michaelson Morley And it's they were looking for a 30 kilometer per second speed of the earth around the sun And they couldn't find it and they did this experiment probably about 50 times from 18 1881 To 1930 and they kept finding the same result We can't get 30 kilometers per second out of this experiment for the earth going around the sun They did another experiment where they tried for the rotation of the earth in 1925. That was the Michaelson Gale experiment And they found a full sidereal rotation of the earth in that experiment And so they knew that Wow, we're we're we're getting a full daily rotation of the earth using the same interferometer experiment that we used in 1887 But that for an interferometer Couldn't show us that the earth was going around the sun So we have something we have two Experiments using the same principles And yet giving us two different stories one says That the earth can't is not going around the sun The other's telling us that there's a full sidereal rotation of 23 hours should be 6 minutes and 4.1 seconds every day So how can that be? All right, so so now we had further difficulty Then einstein he he tried to explain all this away by his special relativity theory And he says okay one way to explain michaelson's 1887 experiment is to say that there is no ether There is no earth going through the ether therefore it's not going to impede the light beam speed and therefore Any result we get it's not going to be applicable Because there really is no ether Okay, and in place of that he comes up with special relativity which says Okay, what really happened in the michaelson experiment is the length Contracted the length of the arm of michaelson's interferometer contracted And they call that length contraction today What else happened? Well the time dilated So because if you if you contract the length you're going to have to increase the time that the object travels So this all became part of special relativity everybody loved it and We found an answer to michael michelson's experiment. We don't have to believe that the earth is fixed in the universe All right 10 years later He comes up with hysteria general relativity Why well because the special relativity was an idealistic theory that really couldn't be applicable anywhere because Everywhere you look in the universe. There's gravity and inertial forces But special relativity didn't include those So how is that theory going to explain anything basically because the whole world is full of gravity the whole universe So einstein basically was forced to include gravity and when he did in his general theory of relativity At the end of all the equations he comes out and says yeah, it is possible For either the universe to rotate around a fixed earth Or for the earth to rotate In a fixed universe either one of those is possible. Why well because general relativity teaches covariance and co-equivalence And there have been many scientists like Barbara and bertati Hans thuring and joseph lens who have written papers showing yeah, if you use einstein's field equations You have to admit that either one of those universes is possible that is an earth rotating in a fixed universe or A universe going around a fixed earth either one is possible under general relativity So I just take this evidence and I run with it And I say there is no proof that you mathematical scientific proof That you can show that the earth is rotating or revolving And i'm also including you know stellar parallax stellar aberration all those things that they used to use To try to prove that the earth was moving around the sun They've all been disproven or that can be shown very easily So I yield my time. Thank you very much We will switch it over for the opening statement from fight the flat earth as well. The floor is all yours craig Thank you james. Uh, thanks. Thanks for that robber. Um always enjoy a history lesson um so when When james asked me about this debate, um, honestly, it was the first time I'd ever researched geocentricity and uh What I found was kind of disappointing I found the the things that I find when i'm talking about flat earth you know just claims of conspiracy that millions and billions of people have to be part of Misunderstanding of basic fundamentals of physics cherry picking Twisting to fit a narrative completing our lack of any evidence for a geocentric universe Um, so why do people believe that? I mean, I don't I don't know frankly I think it's ridiculous and I think it stems from a lack of scientific knowledge and a lot of it is for religious reasons now I've got no interest in in debating anything religious I don't think it's relevant in in a discussion about the nature of the universe so i'm i'm going to stick to to actual facts and um The the basic of a geocentric universe is it has to demonstrate two things Uh to to make sure it's valid and and the two things is the earth is stationary in space and the earth Uh, doesn't rotate around his own axis. Well Unfortunately for for bob there's another bob that demonstrated that this isn't a problem If the earth is spinning at one rotation every 24 hours, that means that every hour has to turn 15 degrees And if the gyroscope is mounted anywhere on earth, it's going to drift In today's 21st century on navigation systems. They're using what's called a ring laser gyroscope It was extremely precise If we could simply get one of these ring laser gyroscopes We would be able to prove once and for all that there is no rotation to the earth One of the people in the community actually purchased one for $20,000 But what we found is is when we turned on that gyroscope we found that we were picking up a drift A 15 degree per hour drift Yeah, so thanks. Thanks for that bob and I know bob is a flatter ifer and I wouldn't normally agree with him but bob in this case showed something that we already knew and that is the every single Fiber optic and ring laser Interferometric gyroscope on the planet registers a 15 degree rotation per hour no matter where you are on the earth Interestingly, it doesn't only register a 15 degree per hour drifts It also registers a one degree per day drift in two dimensions And this represents the earth's orbit around the sun in an ecliptic plane so the fact that these things can easily measure and The way the ring laser gyroscopes and fiber gyroscopes are constructed is that they can't see the outside world They don't know what is moving if the stars are moving so they can't register any of that They're they use light and the speed of light to do what they do and light isn't affected by any electromagnetic waves or anything like that So couldn't be any imaginary aether or anything So there is only one conclusion You can get from things like gyroscopes fiber optic gyroscopes ring laser gyroscopes Showing a drift is that they are physically on something that is moving I can demonstrate this further in the back and forth with Gyroscope and putting it on a globe and showing how it moves, but They simply show that the earth rotates not only on its own axis, but also around the sun Every pilot in the world knows this every You know modern plane has three of them The as soon as the pilot turns on they have to register the rotation of the earth to figure out their location And to be able to plot their position correctly, you know gyroscopes like this are fundamental parts of modern Aviation and our understanding of them make sure that the pilots can get where they're going and not crash into mountains and stuff so, yeah Other bits of evidence that the earth's rotating is effects that we should have On a rotating body like the earth that that has a circumference of 25 000 miles and rotates to 15 grease per hour We should get effects like poriolis and iotus effect, which vary depending on the latitude This can be demonstrated with the simple swinging of a pendulum with a simple swinging of a pendulum depending on your latitude It will drift a different amount Now you can actually use the amount a pendulum drifts to calculate your latitude on the earth And this is an effect that is predicted By a rotating planet. There is no explanation on a stationary earth Why you would be able to induce a procession on a pendulum that varies with your latitude No explanation at all the only explanation is that it matches the prediction of a heliocentric Hypothesis and that is that the earth is rotating you want to follow the scientific method You look for an observation you get a hypothesis you make a prediction and you test it and when you do that you find the earth is rotating The the octavus effect is something that is easily Experienced as well if you are traveling with the earth's rotation you increase your centrifugal acceleration Which actually reduces your weight. This can be demonstrated by taking a known calibration weight on a plane and measuring The change as you are traveling east to west or west to east another youtuber a pilot called wolfie did this Then what he found was as he was traveling east to west As expected the weight increased and traveling west to the other direction the weight decreased because it You know changed the centrifugal acceleration. These are things that we expect to happen We predict to happen and do happen Because of the earth rotating um So very much like a belief in flat earth natural observations in the universe alone Debunk the notion of a geocentric universe. I'm going to quickly go through Some of the basic observations now that we can look at the first one is retrograde motion of planets. So No, actually, sorry first one is the sun now To say that these the seasons are on the earth are geocentric It is caused by the sun moving up and down around the earth So this presents a problem in the fact that we can always see the same face of the sun for For this to make sense in reality It would mean that the sun would have to change its axial tilt if the sun were to move up It would mean for us to match it to what happens in reality That the sun would have to tilt towards us like this. So this is what we would expect in a geocentric universe But there's no reason why the sun's tilt would change and also Not only would it have to change throughout the seasons But every day it would have to process to be the exact opposite so that we always see what we see in reality This isn't what we see, but this is what we would see if there was a geocentric universe with the sun rotating around us We simply don't see this. It doesn't match reality Therefore it it can't be an explanation for for what's going on so seasons Seasons alone are an issue because the This the way that they say the sun goes up to the summer solstice and down to the winter solstice Doesn't make sense with how we have seasons Based on the fact that the earth has an axial tilt The seasons are actually caused by a change in energy given to the sun based on how much of it is facing the sun And this motion doesn't explain the seasons that we get on the northern southern hemisphere Another issue is the retrograde motion of the planets. So if we look at mars Around 2012 this is what happened, right? If the earth was geocentric Then the planet should have a simple straight orbit around us And if we look at mars throughout the year, this is what we should observe But what we saw in 2011 2012 was that between october and november It's went in a straight line. But after that heading towards january in 2012 it slowed down and went the other way Until around april 11th when it then slowed down and went the other way again This doesn't make sense in in a geocentric universe. There's no reason why Planets should all of a sudden change direction This makes perfect sense for the heliocentric model because earth has a tighter and quicker orbital period than mars So as we overtake mars in the rotation around the sun It would to us seem as though the planet went backwards and then forwards. There is no explanation for this in a geocentric universe I know tolamy wrote 17 volumes or something trying to explain it, but Gravity ruins everything that the tolamy went over with Haley's comet is also an issue Haley's comet we can predict comes back every 76 years And there's two points throughout every year where earth experiences meet your showers And that's when it goes through the trail left by haley's comet No reason at all in the geocentric universe Why we would have meet your showers at these particular times in the year You can also be able to predict when haley's comet is due to come back into this You know into our local part of the solar system the predictions work on our heliocentric model You cannot predict these things on a geocentric model. It makes no sense geostationary satellites don't make sense on a a geocentric world because a geostationary satellite Has to maintain a fixed position above the earth 22,000 miles up And the only way it can do that is by having a tangential speed of 1.91 meters per second If the earth is stationary that means that a geostationary satellite is literally just staying there and gravity as we know it would bring it down and it would crash so There's so many things my entire point here is that all of these things can be explained perfectly by the heliocentric model But for geocentrists to explain these observations There's a bunch of ad hoc explanations that all contradicts each other a bunch of Ignoring basic science not basic observations that we can make and do ourselves The only way to make all this stuff work in a geocentric world Is to just go well it does because maybe god said so Frankly, I think geocentrism is ridiculous. It's 2021 Facts are facts and the fact is the earth is not the center of the universe and I yield my time Thank you very much fight the flat earth and with that we'll go into open Conversation, so thanks so much gentlemen forgot to mention at the front folks We are excited that we are on podcast and so if that's useful to you Hey, encourage you to open up your phone pull out your favorite podcast app and see if you can find us if you can't find us On your favorite podcast app. We'll work hard to get on there So just let us know and I have linked those podcast links in the top of the chat So with that very excited for this open discussion portion. What we'll do is if it gets It was like, I mean, who are we kidding? It's not going to but if it did get rowdy We would basically We would basically restrict it to three minutes back and forth for each speaker to get to respond without interrupting And so gentlemen, thanks so much. The floor is all yours All right, I guess my turn, um Yeah, uh craig, um correct me if i'm wrong You sound like and you write like and your animations are like the guy who goes by the named cool hard logic on Is that correct? Yeah, um very much. So I um I He was one of the first debunkers that I watched and uh He gave me a lot of basis for things to research on this because obviously he's done a lot of the research So, uh, yeah, I got a lot of that information from the things that cool hard logic said and then So you're not you're not cool hard black. You're just I'm not cool hard logic. No, I'm f t f e Okay. All right, because you sound just like I might maybe it's just your english accent That guy's american He's american Hi Well He does have a peculiar voice. That's that's for certain at any rate. Let's get let's get to some of the things you said Um, I don't know how much I can cover in two or three minutes But I hope my count my time is encountered against me for just trying to find out who craig was Um, maybe we could try and keep it to to one point at a time just to keep things simple All right. Let's let's see if that works Okay, have you ever read the book gravitation by a wheeler? Wheeler, what's his name three three authors? It's a big book. It's about 1500 pages. You ever read that book at all? No, it was published in 1973 No, I haven't okay. Well, it's a famous book written probably the most famous book written about gravitation still used today in universities They would give you the explanation for why you think the gyroscope is the ring gyroscope or the ring laser is going to Prove that you know, the earth rotates and goes around the sun because what they're going to do Is they're going to do the same thing that I had said in my introduction Which is they're going to go to general relativity And they're going to show you that because of the co equivalence and covariance principles in general relativity The gyroscope the then the ring laser are going to work exactly the same way If the earth is fixed and space is moving around it Why is that the case? Because if you have a rotating universe, it has angular momentum And if you have angular momentum You're going to cause inertial forces and the two major forces are the centripetal force and the Coriolis force And the other is the Euler force, but that's dealing with something a little different But you've got these forces that are created by a rotating universe that are going to work on the ring laser The fucco pendulum the bulge of the earth And the gyroscope they're all going to react the same way Because of that co-equivalence and covariance that you would have in a rotating earth in a fixed universe Okay, there's there's no way that a ring laser gyroscope could be affected by anything like a Coriolis force Uses a sagniac effect the the known speed of light as a constant and the way it works is simply by seeing if you know, there's a difference in the The light patterns once they've gone in opposite directions around the path and if The light has to travel further around one of the paths That's because the path is actually shifted underneath the light, which is what it detects There is no way for a ring laser gyroscope to detect anything Outside of the ring laser gyroscope. There is one thing one thing only that a ring laser gyroscope can detect And that is the motion of the thing that it is physically attached to there is no way it could detect a Rotating universe. There is nothing No kind of inertial forces would change the speed of light and the length of the paths Within the ring laser or the fiber optic gyroscope. It just couldn't happen physics says no All right, so you you are in disagreement with the major physicists in of the world Who say exactly the opposite of what you're saying. They have a citation for that please Oh, well, why I can give you plenty. I don't have it now because I didn't even know we were going to cover this subject tonight I thought we were going to talk about the cosmic radiation But I I have these all the pages from gravitation and many other books That say exactly what I told you And here's the thing Wait, wait, just let me say this and you can talk they They say yes a rotating universe around the fixed earth that's going to give you exactly what you're looking for But they don't prefer that universe They say that we would rather have the rotating and revolutionary earth In a fixed universe as our solution And so they that's what they teach people But they they are honest enough to say That a rotating universe around a fixed earth will do exactly everything you required of those those force movements What's uh Thing is that a ring laser gyroscope simply could not detect If the universe was eating I mean, it's not an impasse. It's a fact. No, it's not a fact It is an absolute fact Please um the middle of my sentence obviously interrupted the start of yours there that that's that's unfortunate, but um Simply is not a fact based on the way that a ring laser gyroscope works I'm going to quickly go over the science and an explanation of how a ring laser gyroscope works now So this blue box fires a beam of light the uh the diagonal line that you see Splits the beam of light into two. It's a silver coated mirror. So the light will travel around both paths It will travel in opposite directions. Uh, let me play that there So what you see is that as it fires the light it splits it into two paths now. I know Yeah Say one thing I'm gonna finish what again the middle of my sentence. I just want to say one thing So I'm gonna finish what I'm saying if that's okay One thing Pardon Both of you guys I I hate to interrupt but one um People at craig asked if you were you'd be willing to share the screen if you share a screen I can show it so that everybody can see the uh close up of what you have on screen And then if we can uh, let's just get fight the flat earth just a moment to kind of make this point I promise we'll come right back to you robert Okay, uh Wait one second I'm doing it all from a virtual camera. So not a big deal if you can't It's uh, just an option if you wanted to um How do I share the screen on there? How do I share the screen for zoom? What I can let's see I'll try to Are you able to just make me big? Uh, yeah, actually let me let me do that and This should at least do a rough uh Something close to that so give me one moment. I'm just making a little bit bigger It doesn't seem to have the option to screen share on zoom for some reason. No worries. They can see it now right, okay, so when when the box fires the laser it splits it into two paths and If the paths that the laser have to travel are the same distance. So the thing isn't moving They both recombine at the same point and then there's no interference pattern It shows that it hasn't moved however If the actual device itself is rotating Because the speed of light is traveling That the light is traveling around it means that as the thing is rotating the path will move underneath the light And make the distance that light has to travel around one of the paths longer and the other path shorter What this means is you get an interference pattern when it comes back And you register that interference pattern As as a movement as a 15 degree per hour drift now This is all enclosed. This is you know a ring laser gyroscope is like vacuum sealed It can't see anything outside of it And the fact that it measures rotation and I can demonstrate this with another video That actually wolfie did exactly how it how it measures the rotation There is nothing outside of this that it could see if the universe was rotating which is something I say is impossible It couldn't detect that the universe is rotating There is no way that this device can detect if the universe is rotating It is based on movement and movement alone of what is physically touching All right, let's switch it back over to robert. Thank you very much. So I'm just telling you again. That's a false conclusion Uh, just like the evidence Hold on now It's a false conclusion and james is just like last time The guy you had on here before leo filius Okay, he he pretended he knew all about general relativity But he didn't realize the co equivalence and covariance equations of co relativity That allow a rotating universe to do everything he's saying about the sanic effect that occurs here And that's what that is. You know why I know it because I'm the one who designed that animation That's my animation. That's now being stolen all over the internet and used Uh, I know it because I made that okay, so I know all about the sanic effect Well, the only evidence that you made one second one second. Let's just give uh, robert a few minutes. Okay It's it for tad here. Okay so, um So the question he's trying to bring up something that's really not relevant to the issue here except in this One experiment. We both know that there's a difference between the light beam That's going counterclockwise as opposed to the one that's going clockwise. We know that the question is How are you going to explain it? And like I said at the beginning of the program If you lean toward one cosmological view. Well, you're going to interpret the saniac apparatus and the The results of it in one way that's going to agree with your Heliocentric bias is irrelevant. Will you please let me speak? Okay. I mean you're going on a bit Well, I've got one more sentence to say just hold on And if you but if you want to promote the geocentric view There is a way to explain the saniac effect and that is because you got the inertial forces That are affecting one of the light beams. Just like gravity. Please. Let me finish Just All right, well, let's let's give robert like another 30 seconds and then fight the flat earth. We'll give you a chance to ask those questions All right, just like Einstein found that light is affected by gravity Light is also affected by inertial forces because they're just the covariance of gravitational forces So the the the inertial forces of the rotating universe is what's going to make that light beam slow down in the saniac experiment So again, we can explain that just like you can from your heliocentric viewpoint So So, yeah, just note to all of that. It's it's all completely false the rotating universe would not make it Do that. So I've got a little video here To to show how they actually work. This is very similar to a ring laser gyroscope And this is a pilot called wolfie who's taken this out of his drone And he's popped it on a globe and he's got a computer program next to him that that shows the movement of it Based on what it's registering And this is a demonstration of how a ring laser gyroscope works and what you see is as he moves the globe You know rotate it left and right It actually is that movement on the computer. He'll show it here in a sec And what this shows is that it is actually the physical movement of the the gyroscope itself That is registering the movement not any outside force as the the gyroscope that he's using moves on that globe The corresponding movements happen on the computer. That's how the drone knows what its orientation is in 3d space so that is The explanation of how it works and the stagniac effect is purely because of the change of You know the device that it's on the Beat of light is a constant No, apparently it's not a constant because the same and that you keep saying You hold on Interesting so You keep saying inertial forces created by the universe rotating Please specifically describe what inertial force you are on about that would affect what is happening inside a ring laser gyroscope I already did I said that no you said inertial force. What inertial force? I told you what the inertial forces were all three of them. I said the centrifugal And which specific inertial force is causing a ring laser gyroscope to show a drift the Coriolis force This it is a matter of course in a routine. Well, you think it's impossible, but you've never studied it apparently You can you can you don't even know the Coriolis force is is because of conservation of momentum between different lack Did you lose them? To choose scope takes if it is not a freely moving object on the earth the Coriolis force only applies to a freely moving object Between latitudes on the earth not to a stationary ring laser gyroscope with a light traveling around the path That's not what the Coriolis force is. I think the ring laser gyroscope works. It's got light beams in it going in opposite directions Einstein already agreed that gravity can affect light it can slow it down Yeah, gravity can affect light And I signed agreed that inertial forces are equivalent to gravitational forces And which inertial force is causing a ring laser gyroscope? Can you please explain how the Coriolis force is causing the drift in a ring laser gyroscope your Newtonian framework the Coriolis force is an is an artifact of rotation Because you don't want to call it a force More than just an artifact of rotation. It's an artifact of a freely moving object on a rotating body doesn't make any difference It's it's not a force. It does Well, no, it's It's an emergent force. It's an inertial fit It is a measurable thing the same as centrifugal force. It exists very much like gravity It exists and there is no explanation For how a Coriolis force could affect a ring laser gyroscope That's simply not how they work because you never studied it. That's that's very I'm sorry, but I have studied it and please don't commit the genetic fallacy of attacking me and my knowledge instead of addressing the actual That's the first thing you did when you gave your opening talk you you said they have no knowledge. They're ignorant to big conspiracies They believe in god all this stuff When we throw it at you all all of a sudden Did I say this specifically about you I said it about geocentrism now you need to take a breath and call yourself down right Yeah, you're the one who got me Yeah, yeah, clearly facts trigger you Uh, no because you don't understand what a Coriolis force is apparently I know exactly what Coriolis force. Can you explain to me how the Coriolis force works, please Let's now give a few minutes for Robert to respond and just to slow down the tempo a bit as it's uh speeding up Yeah, I'd like Robert to explain to me specifically how the Coriolis force works The Coriolis Coriolis force is an inward circular force. They've shown this in demonstrations The centrifugal force is an outward force. No, no, I just asked about the Coriolis dude. Sorry I'm telling you what it is. That's why the Foucault pendulum turns because the Coriolis force is a turning force It makes a turn The rote the universe has angular momentum It's rotating around the the bob of the Foucault pendulum and and it makes it turn Okay, if you don't know that you don't know your physics. You're just like I know the uh, the the the Coriolis affects the Foucault pendulum. It does not affect a ring laser gyroscope But you you seem to have a very limited knowledge of what the Coriolis force actually is and I know both I know what both Coriolis forces are in each system All right, your Is created then In your system, it's not a force. Sorry No, it's a pseudo force. It still exists. That's right. You're not going to try Oh, it's a pseudo force, but it still exists. How can that be? Oh, are you going to commit the flat earth thing of not understanding what a pseudo force is? Are you saying centrifugal force doesn't exist? No, I know I'm on something pinning me to the outside It certainly exists. No, I know Coriolis force is a real force the fact that f equals ma means that there is a force now Please explain I've asked you this a very specific thing and I'd like to get this very specific answer Please explain to me how the Coriolis force works I just explained it to you in both ways I said in the geocentric system where you have a rotating universe The Coriolis is a real force In your system the newtonian system. It's a pseudo force That is caused by rotation And that's why it's and that's why it's an artifact not a real force Robert you're dancing around the question. How does the Coriolis force work? I just told you it's by rotation You said it's by rotation. That is not the answer. Yes. How exactly is the Coriolis force applied? What other movement is causing your Coriolis effect besides rotation? Give me one You're freely moving direction within the rotating reference frame. You've no idea what the Coriolis force is do you? No, I do because you have I've asked you four times to specify exactly how it works and all you've said is it's because the earth rotates There is so much more to it than that Robert Let me let me ask you a more specific question. Okay. I am at the equator and I have fired a bullet north Why does the bullet on the heliocentric world? Um drift ahead of the rotation of the earth No, all the way it doesn't drift ahead of the rotation what it does is It's going to curve because the earth is moving underneath of it. That's what's happening No, it's really not. Let's let's try again A a bullet fired from the equator north will drift ahead of the rotation. This is a fact That's how the Coriolis force works. Can you explain why? Whatever way you want to describe in your own words, that's fine. I'm going to use my words. This is how it works Why don't you please don't try to you know, intimidate me by saying I'm not trying to intimidate you. I'm obviously educating you I know what it is. Please explain why it drifts ahead of the rotation Because the earth is moving underneath it just like the food cope Incorrect. The earth is not moving underneath it. It is moving independently of it. Now there is There is one very simple thing that you need to demonstrate Robert There is one very simple thing you need to say to demonstrate your knowledge of the Coriolis force And you're not saying it. Why is that bullet drifting ahead of the earth's rotation? The bullet has a force and the earth is rotating underneath of it and they're going to go in different directions Yeah, that really makes no sense at all. So I'm obviously going to have to educate you on what the Coriolis force is No, you're not. I'm not going to listen. No, we're not we're not moving on. I'm going to explain to you what it is Okay, you talk all by yourself then I'll go on to another time If you don't want to listen and learn that that's your issue But I'm going to explain your ignorance to the rest of the world You're the one who doesn't know what Coriolis force is because you Really that's why I'm about to explain it. That's why I'm about to explain it Robert So if you're if you're at the equator, right? You are you have a tangential velocity to the east of a thousand miles an hour tangential velocity, right? So if you fire that bullet north when it leaves the equator It has a tangential velocity of a thousand miles an hour Due to the this is important conservation of momentum It maintains it keeps that thousand miles an hour tangential speed to the east as it moves into an area The earth with a lower tangential speed. It's gone north. So it's headed on to a latitude that has a smaller circumference Which means that it is now over a point in the earth that has a lower tangential speed than the bullet which maintained its Momentum that makes it drift ahead of the earth rotation because the bullet conserves its momentum That is what the Coriolis force is not just saying the earth rotates and goes a different direction. That's Like you're totally not at all and almost what a toddler would describe it as Really? So let's go to the Thucco pendulum. The pendulum goes back and forth. Okay. Is there a force on it? There is a um an acceleration and f equals ma So there's a force that you can measure It's a force that causes an acceleration in the drift now with a full-cult pendulum The explanation is slightly different because it's on a fixed pivot point which is rotating to with the earth So in this case the earth rotates underneath the freely swinging bob of the pendulum And that's what induces a drift at different latitudes, right? So the full-cult pendulum at the equator Won't drift at all, right? You put the full-cult pendulum exactly at the equator You're saying nothing if you put it at if you put it at the poles it would take 360 degrees in 24 hours. Yeah, let's just give them another 30 seconds to finish and then it prompts them right back to you Rob There would need to be an explanation Why it can induce a different drift based on your latitude? And there isn't one in the geocentric universe. There is one that we predict and expect in the heliocentric model Yeah, that's because you don't know Einstein's general relativity, sir. Okay, I really do very parent and don't interrupt me while I'm talking Okay, let's give Robert about three minutes or so two or three to respond the different latitudes that occur when you have You know, you're going to get the a more acute Rotation of the full-cult pendulum in the north than you are at the equator Of course, it's not going to even move at the equator and that's because the inertial forces of a rotating universe are equalized at the equator So there is there is a neutral Barrier between the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere because the Coriolis force in the northern hemisphere Is going to go counterclockwise and the Coriolis force in the southern hemisphere is going to go clockwise So at the equator they're neutralized and that's because of the Coriolis force gradations that occur in a rotating universe around a fixed earth Okay, you apparently don't know any of that. So I there's useless to talk about it Okay, you're fixed on the idea that you have the only explanation to why these things occur I'm telling you that the books already explained Your side of the equation and they also explain my side of the equation I suggest you go read them and I can give you a whole list of books modern physics books that say it What you just said Is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard At no point in your rambling incoherent response Were you this is this is what he's going to say in response This this debate is over james. I'm out of here. All right. Let's respond. Uh, craig directly James, I'm out of here. Okay. I told him I don't understand the Coriolis force when I just explained it to you Robert is Robert is uh wanting to say something and uh, I know he wants to run away if doesn't like facts You know, you're an idiot Let's let's uh without Right james, I wanted to speak here. I said if this man pulls any funny business, I'm out of here And he just did this debate is over. No, no, I was told if I swear that you would go. I haven't sworn once You're the one that's been I said it's particularly funny business. Like you like I said in the email This might uh Be an opportunity just because you have a different topic without without any movie scene so With an opportunity to switch into a different topic before we go into q&a, which actually wouldn't be that much longer Is there any final topic that you guys would like to explore without any movie clips? Yeah, I want to you know, he talked about such a great motion. He talked about the seasons He talked about geostationary satellites and because you know, god said so So, you know, I I'd like to briefly address each one of those in about 30 seconds Do anything about Are you going to interrupt me again? You're gonna let me I'm just making sure it's one at a time. So it's it you know It's not too much. I can only do it one at a time. Yeah So retrograde motion all he'd have to do is go to the same place. So he stole my sagnac Animation and he'll find geocentric retrograde motion We have a flash drive that has 60 animations in it The retrograde motion is one of them and one a child could see How mars's retrograde motion can occur in a geocentric system All you do is switch the earth and the sun And and you draw the correct circles and you have it He doesn't know he he doesn't believe it because he's never seen it He didn't even dare to investigate the other side of the story Before he comes on here starts ragging on geocentrism My goodness geostationary satellites again One at a time. That's all right. If I could respond to what you just said about the retrograde motion So why is there retrograde motion in in in the geocentric universe? You just said because you can draw the circles Um, do you want to elaborate on that? Yeah, you're going to have to draw circles around the orbit of the sun around the earth And you're going to have to have the circle of mars going around And you're going to have to have the earth fixed if that's what I meant by drawing proper circles Never seen it You've never seen it. Okay. I've literally been studying it for the past few days and What you're saying doesn't make any sense. You're saying you give the geocentric version of it Again once again the middle of my sentence got interrupted by the beginning of yours there, but never mind So, um, the geocentric universe doesn't make sense because there is no reason for the retrograde motion of the planets Then you haven't studied it I have what is the reason why are the planets doing this random orbit? Why do you if you've studied it? Why didn't you bring the geocentric version up because that's that's clearly out on the internet I am asking you why it happens not why I came on this program and I wasn't told it was about the cosmic radiation I would have I would have given you the geocentric retribution right now I can't bring it up because I don't have the animation in front of me Okay, having the animation doesn't change the question which you seem to be dodging again, which is why the planets have Why does the planet have a retrograde motion in the geocentric universe with the circles going around by ontolomies 17, you know volumes There has to be a reason for the planets to do that weird motion You know what gravity and the way that gravity works means everything that Ptolemy said was completely wrong Yeah, I already said that as a matter of fact. We don't use Ptolemy's model Did you did you realize that? I know there's a few different geocentric models because You have to pick the right one in order to get the geocentric retrograde motion Which you Fallacy What? That's called a no-true scotsman fallacy. No, it's not it's called. We didn't this is we didn't like tolemy's view because he couldn't get The retrograde motion going right or the phases of what is causing the retrograde to the tyconic model? Which had occurred in the 1500s. Did you know about that again? What is causing the retrograde motion? Why does it do that? No, I don't I'm not I'm gonna move on to the next topic Well, so you're so you're not going to answer a question and just move on I just answered it for you. I said it's in the You said it's in a model now. Please explain the mechanism behind the retrograde motion I already did No, you did you said it's in a model and you can draw circles. Please explain Mechanism behind it. All right, trust me. There is an animation. I don't trust you geocentrists I would like another there were some other topics. I think Robert that you'd mentioned you wanted to bring up I think this is come on. He gets away with not answering the question. I just answered the question No, I'm asking what the mechanism I told you what the mechanism is. It's the new Model model. Do you know what the mechanism is that model presents? I hate to do this But guys, I have to jump in just so it doesn't go too far off the Of the real Answers to this question though. What mechanism does the model you according to you you've asked several times so We'll let the audience decide Whether or not you're right that he'd give a non-answer or if you're if he disagrees with you So we do want to hear this new topic though and then shortly we'll go into q&a For those who are out in the audience If you want to look up the neotyconic model geocentrism It will show you the retrograde motion to mars and that's all i'm going to say about Second thing is Second thing is geostationary satellites So his claim is that We have the satellites that are above one point of the over the equator of the earth And that can only be explained in the heliocentric system. Well, let's look at it In the heliocentric system the earth is going 1,054 miles per hour west to east So the geostationary satellite, let's say that's a weather satellite. It's up 22,424 miles That's going to have to go about 7,000 miles per hour West to east to keep up with the rotating earth One point. Let me just yeah. Yeah, okay, so What is that? satellite moving against Moving anything it's got conservation of momentum. Well, whatever It's got conservation of momentum, but what is in space that it can that it has to move against It doesn't have to move against anything. Oh, okay. So when you When the satellite fires a retro rocket to change position, what is it firing against? Oh, wait, are you oh my goodness me? Do you not know how rockets work in space? Is that what we're going with here? I'm asking you a question Don't tell me you think I'm getting just to answer the question. I'm just I'm trying to just understand where you're coming from When you I just asked you a question. I'll ask you again So the force comes from inside the combustion chamber of the rocket. That's where the force comes So if noon's third law is applicable And you have an equal and opposite force to a force coming Then what is causing the opposite force so the satellite can change position? I know there's a Inside the chamber What is the combustion chamber combusting against asking me a question? You're asking me a question, but not let me answer it The inside of the combustion chamber has a force created on it due to the expanding gas This is the equal and opposite force created No, it's not going to work. Yes, thank you. No, that's exactly how it works You can't tell me that that's not how rocketry works when the rocket equation explains exactly that No, it doesn't because that's only No, it doesn't work here. That's exactly how it works. It's only in an inertial field You have gravity from the earth that creates an inertial field. That's what the rocket is pushing against No, it's not that's not how physics works at all. Oh really the rocket pushes against itself Pushes against itself really? Yeah, it creates a pressure with inside the combustion chamber Oh, okay. So let's say we have a Sorry, Robert, hold on. You're not understanding how rockets work is relevant to a geocentric universe You're not understanding how inertial forces work is relevant to why you don't understand You're saying inertial force, but I don't think you know what that means. Oh, I do know what it means. Believe me Let's go back to the balloon on earth. You fill a balloon with air and you let it go What is that air pushing against in order to let that balloon go forward? Which way is the balloon going? It doesn't make any difference. You let the you blow the balloon up. You let it go Without doing up you mean with what? You mean letting it go without doing up so it just flies off. Yeah, just flies off What is that air coming from the balloon pushing against in order to allow it to go? forward well again It's the the shrinking of the balloon creates a pressure inside which pushes the air out the back creating the equal and opposite What is that air out the back pushing against? The pressure inside of the balloon that's being created when it's pushing against the air outside of the balloon That's what makes the I mean you're making things up Not making things up. That's how a balloon works The air coming out of the balloon is a balloon in space It hits the air outside the balloon and then there's a force created because of that and the balloon goes forward So is there is the balloon in space? Unless I'm just giving you an analogy All right, I can show you I can show you many examples of Something in a vacuum chamber moving forward under its own thrust. This is a fact of how rockets work That's because the vacuum chamber is not empty Okay, and neither is neither is space. That's right. That's exactly the point. That's what the rocket isn't pushing against But no, there isn't there's like one atom per meter of like I'm not talking about atom. That's not that's not enough for anything to push off of Yeah, I'm not talking about atoms Robert. You're simply wrong about how I honestly thought I would get better than you Misunderstanding how rockets working and move in space The fact is rockets work in space because of the combustion chamber having a pressure created inside it Which is the force that pushes them. We all know about as a combustion chamber. I'm not arguing about combustion chambers That's how it works and that's the answer to your question Yeah, well, you didn't even know how a balloon works You're telling me the company the pressure in the balloon is what's causing the Equal and opposite force within I mean within the atmosphere There is going to be a little bit of force created by pushing off of the air and against it But a lot of that force is coming from the fact the balloon is shrinking and creating a pressure inside Which is forcing the air out the other side that pressure on the inside of the balloon is causing a motion That's what equal and opposite force means Yeah, and and that's what inertial forces come from that's exactly where the centrifugal force comes from And the Coriolis force Yeah, but none of that explains how a geostationary satellite works on it does because if you have a rotating universe You have inertial forces that are surrounding the earth and the rocket And so what mechanism is that keeping the uh satellite directly above the position for 35 to 40 years The satellite is going 7 000 miles per hour west to east against the inertial forces that are going east to west There is no inertial forces in space. Well, you keep telling me that and you but you have demonstrated You don't know einstein's theory of general I've not demonstrated any of that. I understand einstein's theory very well. No, you don't No, you don't I suggest I do we come back What you suggest is going to try and be some kind of appeal to authority I've read all literature. I've studied everything. I've got a degree in physics I understand how physics works and a very basic part of physics is understanding how rockets work in space Which you clearly don't sure If you go back and read wheeler's book and all the other books that mocks book and all everybody the talks about this The the co equivalents and covariance equations are all Please stop interrupting me Okay I would suggest you go back and read the books. As a matter of fact, I'll send you the books in the papers I suggest you learn how rockets work that would be interesting All right, we we had already addressed this but let me do it again because it's important If you were in a system of just our solar system As I said, the earth would have to go around the the more massive sun that's two seconds. So sorry, robert This is totally my fault. I was still muted on my end. So just so that the audience can hear the the actual question Otherwise say so to give it the context. Sorry folks. That was my fault The question was from chris gammon. Thanks for your question For robert, do you agree the sun is hugely more massive than the earth? Why doesn't its gravity pull the earth around it? All right, so we addressed this before let me do it again If you have a pure Newtonian system where the solar system is the only system in view Then of course, I would admit be the first one to admit that the earth would have to go around the more massive sun Okay, that's what f equals m a means Now as I said if when 200 years later earth's mop came along and said that newton had a defect in a system And that defect was that he was assuming the universe was absolute And if you do, yeah, you're going to say the earth goes around the sun But if you say the universe is not absolute and can rotate Then you have a whole different system that you have to take into account a rotating universe will create inertial forces Centrifugal and choreolus the centrifugal force is an outward force Let's say it's one x the choreolus force is an inward turning force and it's two times the centrifugal force Which makes a net centripetal force? And it keeps the sun in a certain place rotating around a fixed earth. You can find this on wikipedia I'm not making this up The choreolus force is twice the magnitude of the centripetal force together They make a centripetal force which keeps the sun at its distance as it as it revolves around the earth That's how the physics works Gotcha. Thank you very much. And they also asked a question for fight the flat earth Chris gammon also asked is uh fight the flat earth is what I just asked legitimate I think they're just asking was was it a legitimate question? What was the question? Sorry When they had asked do you agree the sun is hugely more massive than the earth? Why doesn't its gravity pull the earth around it? Does it does the question make sense? As in why doesn't gravity pull the earth towards the sun? I mean the answer is the earth's got a tangential velocity, which is you know the earth is in freefall towards the earth But it's towards the sun, but it's got a tangential velocity that means it goes fast enough that misses the sun Just quickly Well, the camera's on me. I want to read this from nasa.gov A balloon provides a simple example of how rocket engine works the air trapped inside the balloon pushes out the open end Causing the balloon to move forward the force of the air escaping is the action the movement of the balloon forward Is the reaction predicted by newton's third law of motion? Got a nice diagram explaining exactly what I said to you. Please learn how balloons work Next up thanks for your question Now that I don't have a chance to respond that was cute Real cute you can if you'd like sorry. Yeah We've got only so many questions. So if you want a rebuttal you can give you one Yeah, uh, what nasa left out was the air behind the balloon Because that's what the air coming out of the balloon is pushing against in order to make that balloon go forward That's the truth Next up ocean equation disagrees, but you know thanks for your question this one coming in from danish debater Says do robert does robert believe we have left earth's orbit? Ever been to the moon? Have robots on mars send satellites outside the solar system Do you believe that we have ever left earth's orbit or orbit robert? Yes, I believe in satellites. I believe in you know the mars rover and all that stuff So he's just trying to pigeonhole me into being some kind of a quack Next up j mixon. Thanks for your question said to each debater. What is the principle evidence that substantiates your claim slash counter claim so uh, we had robert uh as the affirmative so we can give you A chance to state yours first and then the counter claim following that from fight the flatter. So floor is all yours robert Uh, what's the question? What is the principle evidence that substants substantiates your claim and the counter claim? The principle evidence, um Well, I named a few of them. You had the michelson morally experiment 1887 that showed the earth wasn't moving around the sun You had the michelson gale 1925 experiment that said there was a sidereal rotation a daily sidereal rotation But if the earth isn't revolving around the sun then the rotation has to come from space not the earth Uh, that's the dilemma the modern sciences and that's why you won't hear them talk about the michelson gale experiment too much um, the other principle evidence is um Aries experiment where he had two telescopes. He had a water telescope and an airfield telescope And he said that if the earth is rotating or revolving around the sun Then the light from one star that he picked out Should travel more slowly in the water filled telescope and the light beam would hit the wall of the telescope And not go to the eyepiece What he found was that the light beam went straight through the water telescope and straight through the air telescope Which tells us what that the earth isn't rotating or revolving because if it was It would have moved and made that light beam hit the side of the telescope So there's another instance and that's never been refuted um, we have all the Physical proofs that were used before stellar aberrations stellar parallax all can be shown from a geocentric viewpoint And again like the animation you saw that was on the santic effect We make animations of stellar parallax stellar aberrations. We show you how they all work in a geocentric universe So, um, you have that you have another thing called the cosmic microwave radiation that I thought we were going to cover tonight But we didn't but that's very important because the cosmic radiation permeates the universe And what they have found is that there's a preferred direction in space We can now say that there's an up and a down and a left and a right Why because this preferred direction that's made by the anisotropies of the cosmic radiation Go they cross the ecliptic of the earth and go right up toward vergo Okay, so that means there is this line that goes from one side of the universe all the way through the earth's ecliptic to the other side of the universe Uh going through vergo. So that's that's called the quadruple And that's very very important for showing that the earth is in the center of the universe So got and we have we even have scientists of the other side All those scientists that are heliocentrists to their dying day that have said yes This cosmic radiation makes it look like the earth is in the center of the universe. Gotcha. Thank you very much And then fight the flatter Well, um, I'm gonna say mix and molly experiment showed exactly the opposite Simply the the earth was rotating around the sun and there was no ether Um, and mix and gale experiment showed pretty much the same. However, uh, a lot of the interferometer Experiments had had issues if you look at an explanation of dataminers anomalous eeper drift Um, he says the paper presents a complete explanation for the anomalous result by showing that its results are not Significant describing in detail how flaws in his analysis procedure produced a false signal But precisely the properties he expected. So when Anyone says about the the aether being current by mix and gale It was actually just statistical anomalies due to what his Equipment was doing but much more recent interferometers show that the earth is indeed rotating the stagnac effect 100 percent shows that There is no other explanation for what a ring laser gyroscope shows As I showed with the video from wolfie moving the gyroscope on the globe corresponding to the movements on the screen So the fact that we can measure the rotation of the earth around its axis And we can measure the rotation of the earth around the center of our star The fact that aries fader is explained completely by stellar aberration Which is an example of earth rotating around the star and was first, um, I think first observed in 17 27 by james bradley completely explained what james airy thought was Aether completely not so all the things that he brought up are actually evidence for the earth rotating And the fact that we have a coriolis force Which is a prediction Expected from irritating earth and not created by some magical Inertial forces that can't be explained Next up want to let you know folks We were not going to read super jets that insult the gas just because we do appreciate the gas I don't mind if they insult me go ahead. Um, I'm you know any idea how many flat earthers make videos about me I'll count out a thousand go ahead So we uh, want to let you know, we're also only taking serious questions If you if you do like a silly happy super chat happy to read it in the post credits Because we'll be back for that but in the meantime only reading the serious questions. This next one comes from estaban Il labaca, thank you for your question said Hi, robert. Can't you use einsteins equations and show the universe can be rotating around the moon Mars and even myself Any evidence? It's just earth Well, that's the problem with, uh, relativity His einstein can give us the possibilities. He just can't tell us which one is correct So, yeah, we could we could, um, design a universe to go around jupiter if we wanted to using the math of einstein's field equations The point is that we do see the stars revolving around us every day And we can explain that in one of two ways. Either the earth is rotating or the universe is rotating Okay, so we are at that point where science has given us two possibilities How do we determine which one of those is correct? That's the next question And then you come into things like stellar parallax aberration Aries failure in 1871 michelson moorley all that but see it all depends on the interpretation you put at This is what I said at the beginning of the program You have, uh, craig's got one interpretation of the michelson moorley experiment. I've got another We have two divergent interpretations both are viable Both answer all the particulars about the experiment, but they're totally opposite And this is that this is the extent that science can give us To say that only one interpretation is correct and you know, you're totally ignorant if you don't believe my interpretation That's immature That's not what science gives us science gives us data Data has to be interpreted By sometimes faulty mind Or a biased mind or a mind that doesn't know all the answers Before it gives the interpretation. That's the problem. Got you and next one comes in. I agree the science is Zirafa appreciate it says hey james and for robert isn't the Mox principle effective for any observer on any planet. Do you have a justification for the earth's special? Truly stationary position outside your particular theology I just answered that question gotcha just another way of saying I had a feeling and astro hutchins Thanks for your kind words said good show and no questions here You guys have applause. Thanks astro and dc blunt said last night. I dreamed. Let's see I have no idea what that means, but lv 23. Let's see. Thanks for your super chat You got a fan out there fight the flat earth and fred just more More of the uh, yes, uh flash gordon. Thanks for your question said fight the flat earth If the government wants us to believe earth is a globe so much Why are all the maps and pictures of earth all flat in all the books? Gotcha? Okay, tokyo. Lloyd Is the answer they're just being so every single map that that you find that's flat is a projection of a globe And the only way that you can navigate is by using the haversine formula which only works on a globe Robert is right 100 when he says that the earth is not flat and the earth is a globe Let's see this next question coming in from Holy smalls Fan says I got to show some love since fight the flat earth is on and then next area 85 restorations appreciate your question said Let's see, uh, robert. I disagree with everything. You're saying if you claim it isn't let's see your math assuming you have Those arguments mathematically post it somewhere. We can access it. So That uh, robert will give you a chance to respond if that's yeah, you know, I've done this for 17 You're going on 18 years now. And I I'm sorry. I don't have a math equation for you I just I just you know, totally oblivious to math. I don't like math It never was good at it. So I don't have any equations. Yeah, right So all you got to do is go read the books that I've written Go read and go look at the movies that I've made You'll see equations all over the place. As a matter of fact, some of the same equations that, uh, craig is used I just interpret them differently. Okay Uh, f equals ma the basic newtonian equation Okay, I interpret that uh as being at f equals ma plus Centrif, centrifugal plus coreolas plus Euler forces. That's how I interpret it because that's the only one that really works So in other words F equals ma is defective because whenever they send up a satellite, they have to add in the inertial forces So I add in the inertial forces to f equals ma. Okay, and see that's part of the defect Let's give him a chance to respond fight the flyer Yeah, he keeps saying inertial forces. I'm saying let's give robert a chance to respond. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Oh my god I'm gonna mute myself. It's hot I'm done Go ahead next question Next up jamie russell says it seems to me if they are equivalent you could never tell either way why or why not why not? for both So craig uh, it's on like you want to talk so we'll give you a chance to answer first and then we'll give robert The chance to answer before we go to the next. Sorry. I think that was directed towards robert. Anyway, so that's fine robert can go All right, so just repeat the question again james They had said it seems to me if they are equivalent you could never tell either way Why or why not for both? Namely, why is it that you could never tell either way? Yeah, and and she's right. You really can't tell okay The earth could be rotating and revolving around the sun or the universe could be revolving around a fixer Both work mathematically Geometrically they both work and this has been proven by the very scientists who are heliocentrists They will show you the relativity says the other side the geocentric side is completely viable And all the mud suddenly that's been added been thrown at it for the last 500 years is totally unjustified Okay, but they will also tell you that of the two They prefer philosophically speaking They prefer the heliocentric model. Why well gives them a lot of freedom You see because if you have the earth in the center of the universe, what does that imply? Well, it implies that there's a designer behind it Because the earth in the center of the universe and that ain't going to happen by chance Okay, so it It implies a designer and that means there's a god and that means he's going to judge you for your sins And none of those guys like that because they're all atheists So naturally they're going to pick the system that's more comfortable for them Where the earth is out in the remote recesses of space with no signpost saying here we are Uh, it's just going to be out there all by time and chance. That's the kind of universe they like So that's the one they pick I'm here to tell you there's another side to the story Gotcha, and then craig will give you a quick chance to respond as well and then we'll go to the next one It's nothing to do with what I like or don't like. It's what observable facts present Whether or not there is a god is completely irrelevant Whether or not there is a creator for the universe is completely irrelevant because Everything that happens in the universe can be explained by natural means in a heliocentric model in a geocentric model You have to go but god did it next herald. Thank you for your question said Let's see. I see They are a fan of you fight the flat earth And they so wanted you to know that and oh flamie. Oh says very much Is an interpretation of data a scientific question or a religious question Who's going on that one? Um interpretation data is nothing to do with religion facts or facts regardless of what magic book says All right, I would say this, um, you know, craig is just proving my point Because he comes in with a view that he thinks he knows what the facts are And that's because he sees the data he wants to interpret it one way and this is the only way that He's got the words in my mouth. So he's king Don't interrupt me craig. Okay, please don't put words in my mouth then you're safe I think you said okay. I I can You are you're putting words in my mouth Shut him up when I'm talking or this debate is over. Okay. I'm going to tell you How about we'll give uh robert a chance to finish his sentence and then fight the flat earth if you afterward want to let him know What you didn't actually say you can All right, I'm going to try to get back on track here Um, someone will come to the data and he thinks he knows what the data says and then he will call it a fact They do the same thing with the theory of evolution You know, steven gould came out years ago before he died. He goes well, it's not a theory anymore It's a fact evolution is a fact You see, but it's not a fact. It's still a theory It still has missing links all over the place. Okay, so it's not a fact And but this is the way that craig is approaching this subject He interprets the data and he thinks he has the facts and anybody that disagrees with him either doesn't know the facts or Misconstrues the facts or this or that and so he can just put them in a category category of ignorance That's the gameplay here. Okay. I'm here to tell you he doesn't even know The other side of the story and and it looks like he hasn't even studied the other side of the story In order to react against it the way he's doing gosh Next, uh, let's see. I think that We had heard from craig on on that already remnant art. Thanks for your question I just say it's not it's not nice to put words in other people's mouths and lie about them Yeah, all right What what was it? We'll give you a chance craig if there's something specific you were saying Things that he's saying that that I say this and I say that and I interpret it in one specific way No data gives you an answer data leads to a conclusion Biases are irrelevant. I look at the data and I say what does this data? Lead me to this is the conclusion the data shows there's nothing about interpretation It's just going with what the data shows beliefs are relevant I don't have beliefs. I base my position on evidence empirical evidence of that. Yeah, right Next thank you for your question from remnant art said hello from singapore. Hey friend. Glad you were here and They said hope you are all well James fight the flat earth and robert and then they said Robert and fight the flat earth you uh, or i'm sorry. They said craig you're not fat Um, thank you. I've lost every third of my body weight Then they said our earthers called me fight the tight shirt for a long time and I totally did that next they said what the heck a new force equals m a formula I know that blew my mind Yeah, it should Next up thanks for your question this one coming in you want me to answer that James you want me to answer that? Don't feel free. Yeah, okay, so um Scientists all know that f equals m a is just an approximation Uh, when they send up a satellite to either go around the earth or to go to mars If they just use f equals m a the satellite will never get there They have to add in centrifugal Coriolis and Euler forces in order for that satellite to get where they want it to go Now they don't tell you that That's because newton's formula f equals m a doesn't include the inertial forces you have to add them in there by hand Okay, so we we've had a defect in newton's mechanics for many many years When mock came along and he said here's the reason why you have the defect Because you haven't included the rest of the universe. That's why you've enclosed the system into the solar system Then they knew major conclusions And in that system, yeah, you'll have a f equals m a but even that it's going to be an approximation Okay, that's what it's all about Gotcha Uh, we do have a lot of questions. So I'll I'll be I'll be quick. I promise Um, just what what you said about since adding in centrifugal fortunately, it's completely wrong There's two equations that they use to put things in space a f equals m a and f g equals g m 1 m 2 over r squared Um, and that works fine. No problems at all What I can do is since the uh super chat was originally kind of aimed at you, robert I can give you the last response before we go to the next question Yeah, okay, so I would say it's just another indication that craig's view of physics is limited Yeah, I know they write it in the books f equals m a they just don't tell you what the whole story is Especially if you get into the calculus of f equals m a then you see where all the defects are Okay, so I mean that's why einstein came up with a new view of the perihelion or the um precession of mercury Because einstein because newton's uh formula f equals m a had a defect It couldn't account for the precession So newton or uh, einstein put it into his tensor equation and came up with a more accurate solution That just shows you the difference between the two Gotcha next up this one coming in from Tim prior. Oh, I think they they took your comment about being bad at math Literally the way I interpreted it was that you're being facetious robert Yeah, that's correct. Oh, okay, and never mind that one. Sorry tim prior Batman who Batman says I've not seen let's see. I said good job craig Um, you have a fan out there craig and mark read Sorry guys. I'm like it's like the caffeine is worn off and so I'm a little bit like Fuzzy mark read. Thank you for your question answer comment. So thanks for the debate It was let's see The they said good job craig you have another fan as well in mark read castiel said missed beginning Sorry if this has already been said but robert What do the scientists gain by claiming a heliocentric model is right if it isn't I think this is fair to say that you answered this just a few minutes ago But if you want to expand you can yeah, I didn't say it isn't it's a viable Explanation of the data. We went through this whole thing about coriolis force. Is it an art? Isn't an artifact of rotation or is it actually a real force not just not a pseudo force? Well, it's all a matter of interpretation How you look at that so one interpretation can be quite viable another Interpretation can be viable. The question is which one is right? So far science hasn't been able to get us to that point And so that's why theology comes into play because then people will resort to the bible or to history And they'll say well the bible god's word says that the earth doesn't move And we take that as a fact So you might have some ambiguity in your scientific fields about what goes around why but the bible says that of the two The stationary earth is the correct one. So that's how theology will get into the picture And then it becomes a debate about how you interpret the bible Gotcha and this next one coming in from Two moments while it loads area 85 restoration said Robert sorry, but where specifically can I access your math? I think they're asking for a book or maybe a paper title or whatever you have in your web page Yeah, so go to robertsongenis.org go to books and go to galileo was wrong The church was right and in there in volume one and two you'll find all the math you want probably more than you want Gosh, huh? This next question coming in from Tokyo Lloyd said question for robert if the earth is the center of the universe then why isn't the sun drifting Away from the earth that one sounds familiar the universe is expanding, right? No, that's a that's a fallacy See as a matter of fact that whole expansion of the universe idea came from edwin Hubble in 1929 Where he saw redshift of all the galaxies outside of our local frame And he said okay that puts the earth in the center of the universe. That's what he concluded Okay, but we don't like that. So how do we get out of that situation? Here's how we do it We make the universe into a balloon That way we take the center out and we just have a surface Which is a balloon we put all the galaxies on the surface then we blow up the balloon All the galaxies separate from each other and they're going to see all redshift Whatever galaxy is looked at from any other galaxy. That's how we got the big bang. That's how we got the expanding universe idea It was because edwin Hubble didn't like the geocentric universe that he looked at in 1929 through his telescope Okay, so no, we don't have an expanding universe and as far as the sun is concerned The reason I said it's going to stay in its orbit is because of this centric centrifugal force That's matched with the coriolis force, which is twice the magnitude Which makes a net centripetal force that keeps the sun in its orbit. So it doesn't drift off Got you in the next one remnant art. Thanks for your question said for robert Do you take the passage in genesis of the snake talking to eve literally in other words can snakes actually talk? Yeah, donkey's talked in numbers 22 with vellum We have angels to talk You know god can make anything talk if he wants to make a talk Normally they don't have speaking abilities. Yes, I'll agree with that But in the miraculous situation anything can be made to talk Got you and dave langer says uh for robert. Do you think do you also think the earth? Oh, yeah, we already got that Yes, dave langer. The answer to your question is earth is the center of the universe from robert's perspective Mr. X and mr. Y last question of the night. Thank you said for robert. How can the first? Or no, they said how can the rst of the universe influence the solar system in such a way that everything rotates around earth rst That means Well, we try um, I um Yeah, I didn't get it either But want to say our guests are linked in the description want to say thanks everybody for hanging out with us We appreciate you and we appreciate our guests. We want to remind you all folks We know it's a debate channel. So sometimes it gets rowdy We want to remind you to attack the arguments rather than the people Remnant art has a last minute super chat came in said robert. How large is the sun and how far is it from earth? 93 million miles 864 miles in diameter Thank you very much So I believe the sun is as big as it is in the heliocentric system and as far away That's that's really not the issue. The issue is the forces what causes what to go around what? 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I forgot who it was I've got to look up their email But yeah, we are working on getting emotes on The uh good old twitch. So thank you appreciate you reminding me about that But yeah, I know um who is it master optics that I think he's high I feel I don't know what it feels like to be high, but I would guess this is it Because I feel so weird man. I just feel really tired and sleepy But lily jamie russell says did you get mad ox 2024 gift? Yes, I did you crazy person So thanks for that lily ajas says take care everyone Thank you lily ajah for all your support seriously. We hope you guys have a great rest of your Night or day depending on where you are keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable folks and we'll be back This tuesday in fact So that will be the debate you're seeing on the bottom right of your screen And then we've got a lot of other cool debates coming up. So thanks everybody for hanging out with us And we will see you next time You guys I forgot this is something I want to do in case it's actually useful. I don't know if it would be But that's for you to decide if you guys are like james. That's like the dumbest idea I've ever heard in my life You can always say that don't worry. It won't hurt my feelings. I Want to leave you with you guys. This is the link. You have to let me know if it works So this is the link to our playlist for our science debates And so I'm putting that in the chat. Let me know if this works for you. It works for me But I don't know if that's because I'm like the modern day debate Um account so like I can access any page on modern day debate youtube channel But want to let if you guys I basically just pasted the playlist for our science debate So if you liked this debate, you'll probably like those Want to encourage you you can check out that playlist If it actually works when you click the link, let me know if it does or doesn't Collin the red is good to see you buddy says cheers all with heart. Thanks so much. Collin appreciate you Mind onion says buy all thanks mind onion. Appreciate that. Timo says, thanks everybody Thank you Timo for always being positive and supportive. Seriously. It means a lot Totally owe you man. Appreciate it appreciate it And husband box says take care everybody And joe the row joe the tow rogan. Good to see you again Tokyo loy. Thanks for being with us and j mixin. Thanks for sharing that you have an idea feel free me feel Feel free to email me. I'm on our day debate at gmail.com. Now. It sounds like I'm slowering my words This is bad. I don't know. What did I do? I don't know. Maybe it's too much fiber fiber Air church. Thanks for being with us, buddy. Oh, he said it works tusk beatbox did too and brian stevens also said that so thank you guys for letting me know that actually works when I do leave the uh Playlist link in the chat. So that's good to know General ballsack said yeah, I'm a youtube moron and it works for me I'm still trying to set up a playlist of my debates. Thanks general ballsack for letting me know And I appreciate your humility You got a good sense of humor j Said I watched one of your old debates. You actually did pretty well. Well. Thank you j appreciate that buddy. That's from a long time ago Air church. Yep. Thanks for hanging out with us. So guys seriously appreciate all of you and keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable Let's see bible burner asked what happened to yesterday's debate. Unfortunately the um The stream key didn't work where they were so that was a bummer but Yeah, hang in there and I I don't blame them though. I have no hard feelings. Um, I know that It's hard to set up an in-person debate and it's usually rushed because you can only rent the place for um, so long and so, um It's like always kind of a crunch in terms of how much, you know, you want to rent it for to set up and all that So no hard feelings on my end but want to say thanks everybody. We hope you keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable Thank you for all of your support. I love you guys seriously. You make this fun You have no idea how much it up lifts my mood. Just how excited I am and Encouraged and just positive I am when I get to be around you guys during this stream like these are so fun guys So thanks everybody. Take care. We'll see you next time Big daddy sheep new zealand. This is my last goodbye Just because I I didn't see you until now, but wanted to say thanks for coming by big daddy sheep new zealand Thanks for being with us and so thanks everybody for your support Thanks, brian steven said 200 likes. Did it get to 200? Oh, that's that's epic. It's close But yeah, thank you guys so much And yes, I am moderating again Was that you again mind onion? We're at 199 likes folks. It's so close Um, thanks brian steven says hit that like before leaving by all Thanks brian steven so much for your huge support. Seriously. It means a lot buddy And uh mind onion says glad I see james moderating again. I yeah, I've moderated for like the last month But yeah, so thanks buddy 200 is it true? Let me look down there 201 amazing 202 No joke. So thank you guys so much for all your support Thank you. Seriously. It means a lot excited about it And yes where that keeps lifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable. I love you guys. Thanks for everything Thanks for all your support. You guys honestly rock. Take care, and we'll be back Tuesday