 from the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. It's theCUBE, covering DevNet Create 2018. Brought to you by Cisco. Okay, welcome back everyone. We're here live with theCUBE in Mountain View, California for exclusive coverage of Cisco, DevNet Create. I'm John Furrier with my co-host today, Lauren Cooney. And our next guest is Mandy Whaley, who's the Director of Developer Experience at Cisco DevNet, been on multiple times. She's also the key person here in the DevNet community on the Cisco side, putting all this together with Susie Wee and the team. Great to have you back. Thank you. You look fabulous. I'm really excited to be here. Great job on the stage today. I want to just quickly get the news out there. You've got some new things going on here at this event. That's new, but it's building on top of what you guys did at inaugural event. Yes, yes. So one of the new things that we added this year is called Camp Create. And the idea with it was we wanted to have a builder track for our people that wanted to come and actually code the whole time that they were here. We put together a specific sort of experience for them. And it's not a hackathon, but it has hackathon elements. We started with six use cases that we outlined originally, gave them all the technology here on site. So they're actually using location services from the wireless network here. We've got collaboration equipment. We've got things from the Google partnership we brought in. These six teams all picked a use case and they're building furiously and they're going to present their final demos tomorrow. One of the teams is even doing like an Oculus Rift kind of thing. That's great. So how much time do these folks have? So they started this morning at eight and they're finishing tomorrow at three. So will they stay up all night? Many of them are thinking to stay up all night. That's awesome. So let's just get the number. So Camp Create is six teams of five people over six use cases. Six different use cases. Two days. That's right. So they have to pick a use case and they have to do all six. They are each picking, each team picks a use case. One use case. And codes away as a team. And they can, there's parameters in the use case, but there's also a lot of room for creativity to add to it. So we're interested to see how those come together. And we started, this is our first year. We had a waiting list of people who were wanting to get into Camp Create. So we plan to grow it next year. And maybe we thought maybe have 12 teams on the six use cases and then have the two teams face off on who has the best solution. So that could be one. Camp Create madness. You got to do a qualifying round. Oh yeah. You know, in the room you'll have brackets. I want to work with you on this. I love the idea. Camp Create, check it out. Congratulations. I love the formula. Thank you. It creates competitiveness with collaboration, makes it fun, but that's part of your program, your fun as well. That's right. We definitely want to have fun. So we wanted this DevNet Create to be a lot about the community connections that form. And you generally have an easier time to do that when you're having fun. So a lot of hands on, a lot of time for community members to connect. And you get the check talks are back, right? Check talks are back. What's the topics this week on the tech talks? So we've got topics ranging from, you know, DevOps practices and patterns, to IOT and blockchain. And we have a lot even around developer experience and API experience that I'm super excited about. And then we have all the hands on workshops where you can actually go and sit and code and get hands on with many open source projects with, you know, different platforms from our partners, all kinds of stuff. That's great. Yeah. There's also a big emphasis on the microservices and Kubernetes because of the Google partnership that we brought in this year. Has that weaved in Istio stuff? Has that weaved in and where has that kind of made its way into the either workshops, mini hacks and things you got going on? It's in pretty much all of them. So one of the things we've been excited about is our Istio sandbox. So our DevNet sandbox where developers can try out all kinds of different platforms. We have an Istio one that it's set up but it has some rails on it, some use cases. So it's easy for people who maybe aren't familiar with Istio to really try it out. So we have some challenges here around that. And then definitely a lot of workshops that are covering different cloud native topics. Well you guys do a great job. This is the second event. Last year was phenomenal. DevNet and the booth at Cisco Live in Barcelona was great. We'll be at Cisco Live in Orlando. What's it like now internally at Cisco? Because the Cisco developer program, I mean we kind of, I've watched it from the kernel of a handful of one person to two people to three people. And then all of a sudden internal politics says we're a routing company. We're a networking company. So now Cisco has evolved itself into a full-blown, almost a half a million people. I mean half a million people. Think about Facebook's scale. Half a million people almost in the DevNet community. Right. And you got the create which is now the cloud native. How's it going? What's the team look like? What are you guys excited about? It's going great. The team has been growing but growing thoughtfully and intentionally and how we want to grow it. The community has been amazing because we really have been working hard to bring together these two audiences. Our networking and infrastructure developers who are moving into DevOps, doing more automation, starting to use APIs, and then connecting them with the application developers who work in the enterprise and really working to get that conversation together and show kind of the value of Cisco to both of them. So, and we've seen growth in both. This conference more on, is more about the application developers. And that is a big growing part. I got to say, I've seen a natural progression between network engineers, network developers with cloud because anyone who's done any kind of configuration or provisioning of anything. That's right. Knows can go to the cloud instantly. It's just like, oh my God. And then you got containers, a concept that's well understood by network engineers. And they write software. So, not a lot of learning. I mean some learning language but it's not a big leap. It's not a big leap and it's such a technically proficient group of people anyway who are fast learners. And so, it's definitely an easy way forward for them. And then, what we try to do is our edge compute, for instance, that's deploy a Docker container. So, the developers already know how to do that. It's using tools they're familiar with. So, trying to connect that from both sides. It's like a fish taking a water, you know? I mean, it's not that hard. Just jump right in. So, okay, now the cloud native really, it's exciting when you talk about what Kubernetes is enabling. Because now you're true at a true DevOps world. Where the people who don't want to touch the network at all still need to have some enablement. Where, hey, in that world it's like, I'm coding away on my apps. That's all I care about. I don't want to get down the weeds under the hood on provisioning stuff or any kind of programmability. Where's that kick in? Where's that front? Yeah, so, you definitely, for the groups that do want to work at that level, you want to enable that for sure and get all the acceleration you can. And then, our guest speaker from Google this morning said he was like, hybrid cloud is real. And it's also hard, and there's challenges. And so, I think the Google partnership with Cisco and Cisco DevNet is to really work through those challenges, make it real and find the ways through those challenges. So, we're trying to bring, again, kind of those two worlds together. We're at the connection points with the Google relationship. Is it Istio? Is it Kubernetes? Istio is part of it at Kubernetes. There's use cases for connecting on-prem to cloud services and then connecting cloud applications to on-prem things. It's really about enabling all those different use cases. And those best practices that these developers across environment need to actually deliver these applications to the cloud or pull them back on-prem. That's right. And how do they learn maybe the piece that they don't already know, whichever side of that equation they're coming from. So, some of our DevNet audience, we started doing containers 101. Like, if you don't know about containers or how you learn it, get started with Istio. So, connecting those dots. Oh, Manny, great to see you. Congratulations, Camp Create. Thank you, yeah. I want to get in, put a team together. Okay, we're doing the bracket next year and all that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we do a whole qualifying. Yes, definitely. Northern California, Southern California. And then bring the best for the best for a face-off cage match. Okay, are you going to plan it? That's great. Thank you for having us here. You can plan it, I'll judge. Awesome, perfect. Thank you. I'd love anything to do with camping, but I appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. Absolutely. Thank you for bringing you all the action here at DevNet Create here at Silicon Valley, Mountain View, California. Be right back with more after this short break.