 What's up guys? It's part two of how to throw in the keys for training those beginning discus throwers. And what is the one thing we're going to talk about? We've talked about a lot carrying discus talked about it slightly in part one. Now we're going to go in depth for carrying dragging holding hand position all these little details absolutely critical not to overlook and we're going to talk about it in this video. So check it out. We have to now make sure that the athlete holds the discus. What are a lot of your athletes going to do? They're going to grip the discus. You're going to try to show them how to put it in the fingertips and then a lot of them are going to put too many too much fingertip on it thumb in the wrong position and they're going to cup or they're going to hold their thumb up and they're going to be doing it like this they're going to push it against themselves and that is a logical natural response. Some kids are going to more comfortably be able to hold the discus pick it up and they're going to start advancing faster. This is the tough thing to when you're coaching beginners every level of ability is going to result in kids improving at different rates. So the big thing we want to do is once we understand some basic terms we understand the basic movement of a power position because we're going to start typically with our stand throw and this is really important. This is where a lot of coaches get hung up. Coaches that don't understand the throw what they're doing is spending far too much time on a stand throw and they're not progressing from this. You need to progress from this worst case scenario. I would say two weeks for a thrower who's brand new to be throwing in a stand position. We have so many things I've seen have hosted camps for over a decade actually multiple decades I've been producing and hosting camps and what we see is that I've had multiple times where I've come to camps where kids are spending a year or two years three years even one camp I remember in particular I had an athlete that was spending her fourth year in a stand throw and this makes it very difficult to move on so two weeks focus on that it's not going to be the prettiest throw after two weeks but that's worst case scenario because this next tip is what I want you to walk away with today when you have that discus they when they said they're going to tend to hold like this in cup and they're going to do this kind of thing and they're they're not comfortable this is where you need to learn how to hold the discus holding the discus is absolutely critical because if I think if I'm moving and I feel uncomfortable and I'm holding this in a way where I feel like when I start to wind I'm going to lose the discus and I do this and it feels like it's going to fall that's what my reaction is going to be right so again our system is called throwing chain reaction we set up actions that create positive reactions or we set up actions that create negative reactions you want your athletes always feeling positive reactions and having the time like we talked about in the beginning of the video we don't have time to think we're going to have time to react positions and drills that's what we do with our system is break it down we train pillar pieces we train pieces of the throw that's our chain reaction but we're working smaller pieces and we're always building that's basic language it's called a progression so if you're a brand new coach and you're coaching beginners a progression we're going to start with a stand throw and we're going to do different phases keep putting the throw together until we work to a point where we have a whole throw okay so for today's quick lesson this is our series on how to throw the discus one on one remember if you're a member you log in this foundation video we're going to expand on this we're going to go into some additional things TCR specific terminology right throwing chain reaction and we're going to talk about identifying certain things weaknesses and things that are additionally going to contribute to these problems now remember if you're just watching this and you want to know we just talked about heel-toe position orbit radius and separation really really critical factors so one of the things we're going to want to do is if we we're working with a brand new thrower we're going to want to work on simple things stuff like this back and forth spin the discus learn how to get comfortable with the discus if you look at advanced throwers you're going to see that they're comfortable can you get your throwers to comfortably do this I guarantee they can't just do something simple like this you want to do winds where they're going to learn how to hold that discus and push it out and just hold their arm out and then hold the arm back notice how my discus is straight up and down how I'm holding my hand allows me to hold this and this is going to also start to contribute to how to release it so we have things like bowling we're going to do call it either a grass cutter or skip we're going to skip that discus across you're going to toss the discus up right where they can just athletes can just spin the discus up in the air and have it fall down about 15 20 feet in front of them you're going to do all these sorts of things daily you're going to have kids winding and you're going to have them wind faster now when you do that of course you spread athletes out so that if somebody drops a discus or throw nobody's going to get hurt safety's always a really critical component and remember you have athletes when they're doing stuff give them enough space but when we start doing something like a wine we do this we're moving the discus and we're just learning how to push the discus into the fingertips a lot of kids will hold that discus uncomfortable and then they wind like this where they're holding and so when they try to get it back they're doing this and then the discus feels like they're going to follow their hands they're making compensation they're cupping they're doing this they're carrying and they need to drag the discus once an athlete moves they need to be carrying it back here so if I just kept here you see me move through I'm dragging the discus I'm not holding the discus so what you want to learn is the very first things are don't sell yourself short and again you want to learn how to carry it because if the athlete feels like the discus going to fall out and a lot of athletes feel that I would say a good 25% of brand new throwers when they're throwing the discus the discus isn't comfortable in their hands so when they start to wine they they think what they're doing a wine and the discus feels they get to hear and the way they're holding it does that they're holding their thumb wrong so the discus is always coming out so they do this and the discus is doing that so they don't want to drop it that becomes the reaction they're not learning anything they're learning oh I don't want to drop it so you've got to get the athlete comfortable so take the time on that first brand new thing have some fun make a little game throw a you know some cones or little cones like this make a little circle have them drop the discus in have bowling contest who can do it put the cones two cones you know 60 feet 100 feet put it out who can bowl it nice and soft through the through the discus put the cones 100 feet out who can do it it's a fun simple game put something out at 30 feet 40 feet 50 feet have the athlete just kind of do this and guide and try to place the discus they need to learn control quickly so if you're a brand new coach you have brand new throwers this can be a great way to spend the first half of your throwing practice learning spend that 20 or 30 minutes to get comfortable who quickly do you see is comfortable hold the discus you're going to have inevitably a kid who just kind of gets it feels it and then is able to kind of sling that's going to be the kid that's going to accelerate further you have some other kids that it's not real comfortable and they need to spend time to do that and it might take that other kid a week might take them two days it might take them seven days it might take them 14 days but it shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks so that's going to be a small percentage of your athletes you're going to have the athletes who pick it up those are the athletes who are maybe bigger stronger naturally a little bit more athletically inclined and those athletes are going to be able to progress faster okay so this is it that's one of the challenges you have as a new coach understanding everybody is going to be a little different right that's one of the things we address inside our system we teach you the throw we teach you how to create an individual formula for every athlete as well so today's video some basic terms some understanding the power position and how to hold the discus because once we get to this point right we want to get comfortable we want to see our athletes in this position and we're going to be able to get here and we're going to have them wind up to the high point get over the right leg and then they're going to be hitting that block turning that hip feeling this and allowing this to come in and now they're doing a stand throw this should be probably the first half of your first day that's a good way to start and then from there we would start working into other pieces of the throw half turn right working from this position into the power position and then we would be looking at how we're going to be working another progression putting it here working into the throw until we're starting to put together a full throw each of these things will require position training to understand things that are very unnatural this motion of sequencing this and having this follow is an unnatural throwing motion and it takes time but it shouldn't take that much time the goal is if you're a new coach you want to understand all these things so that you can implement a good solid practice plan and that's something we're going to talk about inside our members video so hey thank you guys so much hopefully this helps we have another video that's going to talk about how to work on moving from the middle into the power position and then how to move from the back of the ring into the middle and put together a full throw so we'll have a three video series on how to build that foundation this is all the precursor to the throwing chain reaction and again we want you to understand what we cover today pillar five six basic terminology and pillar five six we refer to those two pillars make up the power position these 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