 Hi Peter, it's a pleasure having you here at the IDFH complex. Yeah, it's really a pleasure being here again. I hope you're having a good show. Really? Yeah, we had. So Peter is with ACPA. They've launched a silver nanoparticle link. So what is unique about your link? The connectivity, yeah. So it's really, we're using much more efficiently the silver that's in there, which you can easily prove by the method that we developed because in a lot of cases people try to measure connectivity by assessing drive film thickness. We do it by measuring the silver and then you really compare apples with apples. And there's always this concern that you're trying to replace. Something that is already there, something that is embedded, the micron sized powders in the plates. So what's your strategy? Well, it's certainly true that we try to replace because in the end as I said, you can do more with less. So in the end it's like having a better fuel for a car or having a car that uses less fuel. So in the end, especially when silver prices will go up again, we'll see that nanosilver inks will take a bigger part of the market because they are much less sensitive to the silver price. Silver nanoparticles have been around for some time. And success has been limited. What do you think has changed? A lot of things are changing. Of course you have some new applications really in the space that we're working here like printed electronics where people really want to make maximum efficient use of the available materials. You also see systems coming on paper like the power cord paper. So there you really want to use as little material as possible. And that's certainly an area where people really are looking to use to make more efficient use of the silver. Another big advantage that you see is that you want everything, people try to make it smaller and smaller, thinner and thinner lines which are closer and closer to each other. And that's only possible with the nanoink. By the way, we could easily show you that some of the fine line screens simply do not work with flakings. And you can have the same performance using a nanoink. So you think there are niches in the market where you have to use a silver nanoparticle? Exactly. And what about the price? Has anything changed in the past five years or so about the price structure? Well to be honest I'm really surprised about some of the prices that we hear here from let's say colleague companies that also offer nanoparticles. I think we are today even at the lower scale that we work on, we are competitive with the pricing, even with flakings. And do you think the next couple of years are very important for the industry? Yes, for sure. In what way? Actually we will have to see more end users really, and let's say device makers and system makers making the things, and then I think technology wise a number of solutions are already, but they need to be pulled through the whole chain in order to make it happen. But it's going to happen if you see what's happening at the whole center with medical patches and stuff like that, the wearables, it's really... And do you think wearables is a new opportunity for the product to be put into the nanowires? Yes, exactly. Always for the same reason. Actually you want something to wear but you don't want to know that you wear it. So you want to add functionality without taking into account that you need to add some things. I don't know whether you saw this presentation of the guy that showed his son to watch. No I didn't. And then he said, yeah, it's a nice watch, GPS and everything, but it's too heavy. And I'd like to have a watch which is where I just... He wrote on his arm the time of the day and said, okay, this is not a watch, but that's how I want it. And that's a nice vision. I don't know who it was. Interesting. You know, compared to the incumbents, is flexibility a major differentiator for the nanoparticle? It's certainly one of the differentiators. I think the big differentiator is the connectivity and fine line printing, low temperature curing, compatible with the number of substrates. That's where the... You're really poised for the emerging applications. Yes, but if we can push some of the current drop in, I mean, I think we have a potential, especially for screw-in printing, there is a potential for drop-in. Yes. That's one of our credos too. Excellent. Well, thank you very much, Peter. It's always a pleasure having you.