 This is not to say, this is not to devalue our medical rituals. And I would like to elaborate on that to say that it's not just medical rituals, but the entire corpus of technology can also be seen as an incredibly complicated elaborate system of ritual that is based as ritual is, it's based on a religion. We call the religion science. And it can be used to mold reality. Now, we think though that well okay in the past they weren't actually very successful at molding reality. That's because they were mired in superstition and projection and wishful thinking and you know, confirmation bias that made it look like they understood to themselves but really they were pretty much helpless before the forces of nature and you really couldn't accomplish the kind of things that we can accomplish. Now I'm not saying that they could accomplish everything that we can accomplish. I'm not saying that at all. Our particular system of ritual that I call technology can achieve miracles, can achieve wonders. It is, it is what I'm saying is that our gift as human beings, our creative power as human beings is in fact to apply the technology, the deep technology of ritual. So it requires as I was saying a an underlying mythology and underlying religion and ours we call science. Now, again, you might protest well science isn't a religion because it's verifiable it doesn't require faith it doesn't require metaphysical unverifiable unprovable principles, but we perform experiments and we see whether or not what our we see whether or not our propositions are in fact true. In fact, science does have metaphysical principles that we do take on faith. For example, the, the idea that variables can in principle be isolated that you can remove, for example, the influence of the experiment or from the experiment that the mental emotional spiritual condition of the experimenter doesn't affect or the beliefs of the experimenter don't affect the experiment that observer and observed can be separated that things happen if and only if they are caused to happen that we can understand the world by reducing it to the operation of its parts. Like these are all elements of a scientific mythology that we like like the repeatability of experiments like this. This is a metaphysical principle that may not be true. But we assume that it is true, and we enter into that reality, and we can gain the powers of that reality.