 Ron Handelman. He's an EMP expert. He's a member of the EMP Guard, EMP Special Interest Group, and FBI Partnership with Private Sector. A member of St. Louis FBI Citizens Academy Alumni Association. A member of M-PAC America. A member Manchester Misery Community Emergency Response Team. And an Oathkeeper pledging to defend the Constitution against all enemies for domestic. And I was hoping the fact that the FBI and all that wouldn't scare people away because, you know, we're all here on the same side trying to prepare in case anything would happen. But anyway, welcome, Ron Handelman. Thank you. I'm going to pass some handouts here that I'm going to be referring to to put out my presentation. Good one. No. Well, I'm Ron Handelman. I actually am a resident out here. I'm a bar from here about a mile and a half. I've been an Oathkeeper for a little over a year. I firmly believe in defending our Constitution against all enemies for domestic and to support the ten rules of not obeying various orders, as you know. So my background, I'll give you a little information here. By day, I am a professional registered investment advisor and corporate retirement plan specialist with a major banking, investment banking group in the country. And by evening, I assist a couple of task force groups that assist the FBI in monitoring threats to our infrastructure for the country. I got involved with the St. Louis Citizens Academy in 2007. And that organization is basically there, comprised of leaders in the community that assist and support the mission of the FBI. Some of the things we've done is fingerprinting children, providing ID kits, and assisting the FBI in some of their projects and events. Through the Citizens Academy, I got involved with InfraGuard, which is a alliance with the corporate sector and the FBI to help share information and intelligence that helps protect our nation's infrastructure. There's about 14 or 18 different categories, including where I'm mainly connected with is the banking and finance area. So assisting with cyber information, cyber attack, cyber crime, areas like that is where we've helped the banking area with monitoring these kind of threats. And the nation stands, the water supplies, the medical, the agriculture, all these areas need to be defended. And there are a lot of folks that devote their personal time and try to help share information. And I got involved with the electrical power grid, I guess, by my interest in looking at various reports about what an EMP is and what damage it can cause. How many here are familiar with electromagnetic pulse? The word has gotten out because I can tell you back in 2007, 2008, 95% of the country, no idea about what an EMP is. How many realize what kind of damage can be done from electromagnetic pulse? So I'm not going to be giving you a lot of new information on the threat, but basically there's two ways that our power grid can be taken down, which we would not want. Because if that happened, we would be instantly back in the pioneer days. Nothing can run without power, and we would be a huge mass of death if we were out of power for months or even beyond that. So the EMP commission was formed in 2001. I've met several of these people, they're very, very well known experts. Bill Graham, who was the chairman of the EMP commission, formed and got a group of which Dr. Peter Pry, who put this presentation, I'll give you some background on, put this together to get the word out on what an EMP threat is and what it can do to our power grid and our way of life. The commission reported to Congress in 2008, and through that report, which you can get online, they summarize the threat, the expense, all the damage it would be caused if our power grid was brought down. Through other reports, I've just seen studies about the impact of electromagnetic pulse on the area of Richmond, Virginia, Washington DC. That 500 mile radius that would encompass a huge amount of, we're talking billions of dollars of damage if an EMP were set off in that eastern area, the mass of death. So groups of people got together and started promoting the education, especially with our politicians about the threat of EMP and the damage that it can be done. The special interest group that I joined with InfraGuard had a lot of help from Dr. Peter Benson Pry and a lot of other contacts that he knows that went formerly with the NSA and the CIA. So we have tried for five years to pass legislation through Congress to get laws enacted that would bring our electric power companies together and get our grid protected with surge arrest or surge protection and the way to do that. So what we're trying to bring out is what are we doing about this because the threat is real. It is a clear and present danger. The laws that we've tried to have passed starting in 2010, the grid act was brought out. The House of Representatives unanimously passed that legislation which would have funded the power companies and helped get a plan in place to get all the necessary backup equipment and plans to bring emergency preparedness and be able to withstand an EMP attack. The grid act narrowly passed, narrowly was not passed in 2010. One sitting senator did not pass that bill. Had that senator passed the bill we would be perfectly fine right now. We would have things in place that would have our grid protected. The following year in 2011 the grid act failed again and then the shield act was put together to try to cover some of the areas that the grid act was missing especially again focusing on funding with government funds. The shield act, same thing passed by the House and did not pass the Senate twice. So there's four attempts where legislation was not put in place. And then finally last year the critical infrastructure protection act, CEPRA, passed the House, did not pass the Senate. So it is on the national level. Our congressmen and senators have failed us. We're not getting anywhere to bring protection to the grid. So with that Dr. Pry put together this initiative to run by the states. And he is besides the director of the task force on national and homely insecurity, he's also served with the House Armed Services Committee and CIA. But he has put together a very I think excellent white paper that I presented to Governor Nixon which has fallen on deaf ears. Over a year ago I presented this and showed what other states are doing. The state of Maine for instance, they did pass resolutions and bills to protect their state, their own electric grid against the EMP threat. So Maine, Arizona, Virginia, Florida have all taken the initiative to do something on the state level rather than waiting for the national level. So in this paper he does outline what the threat is. Now an electromagnetic pulse can occur from a severe geomagnetic storm. Disruption comes into our atmosphere and disrupts our electric transmission systems and anything connected to the grid. On page five of this handout, he points out that on July the 22nd, we had a narrow miss of a super storm that came through, narrowly missed. It would have been on the same magnitude as what happened in 1859. We had the Carrington event. This was a massive carotid ejection that was observed by English astronomer Richard Carrington and they recorded this event which ended up, it was three electrical days of course, but this solar storm that came through Europe and the United States was so powerful that it did fry the telegraph equipment on the other ends and electrocuted and started fires. So there was damage that was recorded. And this miss that came through in July of 2012 could have been on that same scale. But luckily it did not pass through. Quebec had a power outage in March of 1989 from a solar flare that came through. They were out of power for nine months or excuse me nine hours and then followed in August of 89, the Toronto Stock Exchange was closed and trading halted because of another solar flare that came through. So you have the natural geomagnetic storms and then the other way is of course from a high altitude nuclear detonation. Now we know of course Russia and China have this capability of launching missiles over directly Central United States and causing an EMP attack. Don't discount North Korea and Iran because both of those countries do have access to nuclear warheads. I don't care what anybody says, Iran does. They would not launch an attack like Russia or China would. It would be by surprise and there's two ways they could easily do this. All you simply need to do is mount a scud missile on a rust bucket cargo ship mounted with nuclear warheads parked 30 miles off our coast. And I've seen threats, plans of 10 simultaneous launches, five on each coast, two down in the Gulf that could actually go undetected. We have no defense against vertical launches. And if you set 10 of these off at one time, it would collapse the entire grid. So that's one way that could be done from just launching from a cargo ship. Iran has already demonstrated their capability of launching missiles off of cargo ships. And of course North Korea, they have their submarine fleets that could do that as well. There is also another stealthy way that missiles could be smuggled into the United States and that's through the Russia Club K missile container system. Has anybody heard of that? Freight containers for missile silos built inside these things. We don't inspect every container that comes into the country. China is in charge of one of our ports over in California. So this is a very easy way that nuclear warheads could be smuggled in just through containers, shipping containers. But you can Google that. I think Dr. Pryde points that out as well. The other thing too that is a danger is that Iran and North Korea both have satellites orbiting over our country right now. On page 6, Dr. Pryde shows the orbital passes of a North Korean KMS 3-2 satellite to April 2013. And you can see these passes that come through the eastern part of the country. Who's to say that one of these is not armed with a nuclear device? And all they have to do is just bring it down and set it off over our country. Iran launched satellites. They've got two up there and so does North Korea. On page 7, there is the EMP threat by sea cargo ship. Actually, North Korea did have a couple of missiles smuggled under tons of sugar. This happened in July 2013 down in Panama. North Korea's freighter Chong Chong Gang carried two nuclear-capable missiles on launchers. And they were uncovered coming through the Panama Canal. Besides the EMP through nuclear detonation as a threat, you've also got physical sabotage and you have cyber. The sabotage was cited here. In April of 2013 there was a commando-style sniper group that actually attacked the Metcalf in San Jose, California, a transformer substation. And I don't know if any of you remember that, but a small team did know exactly what they were doing. And they hit cable equipment that knocked out the power in that area in the Silicon Valley. Of course, we had terrorists blacking out Yemen in June 2014, attacking nine transformer substations. On page 10, this is the altitude diagram that will give you an idea how high up a high altitude detonation would be to cause the damage we're talking about. But if you're over Central United States and up 30 kilometers, which is about a little over 18 miles up high, you would hit that circle area and knock out the grid in that area by a detonation of 18 miles. So the higher up you go, the more line of sight, the more coverages is felt. So the entire country where you're at 300 kilometers high, 186 miles, this is again the capability of Russia and China. The first strike could knock our grid out. But again, remember, North Korea and Iran have satellites orbiting right over our country. They come from the south. We have no missile defense system to protect against southern incoming. It's all northern is where the territory is covered for any incoming missiles, not from the south. So basically, you know, what are we doing about this threat? Besides, yeah, exactly, the Congress is doing nothing. However, it takes us to constantly holler at our congressman. I do this all the time. I just get on their website and I go to their contact page and I let them see every EMP article that I come up with. I've also communicated with the St. Louis County Emergency Management Agency commissioners and the St. Louis City. They all know about the threat. They all don't know or don't have a plan in place to deal with it if we were ever hit with an extended power outage. I cannot get meetings with Amory. Does anybody have any contacts with the emergency area? They won't tell me. They will not confirm that they are protecting our power grid here in Missouri. Cyber, yes. They have all these cyber plans in place and they have that covered. But they do not have anything covered for an EMP event. Pardon me? I have not. So, it's a matter of, again, picking up the phone, getting on the internet. Now, the senators in the House of Representatives of Congressmen, they're pretty easy to get a hold of by internet. You just put in their last name, dot house or senate dot gov. You go right to their website, you go to their contact page, and there you can fill out the form and send them. I send them all sorts of stuff, clips, articles, and I make my own letters up. They get it. I mean, I've gotten responses back. Some I didn't like, but they still do see me. So, the more people that do this, you've got to keep that wheel squeaky. So, it's folks like Dr. Pry and volunteer task force groups. We're all here to try to get something accomplished, and that's to get our grid protected. It takes a little money, but if Ameren had to pass or any electric company had to pass on a one-time surcharge, $5 per year per family one-time boom. It's only a $2 billion, I say $2 billion, not trillion, $2 billion fix for the entire country. $300 million for the main 300 transformers to get grid outfitted with surge arrest or protection. These transformers are made overseas, and it takes two years to build, so that's one of the problems. So, they've got to gear up for extra equipment on hand and parts, because if they try to put one of these stations together, it's a two-year project. If we got things going right now in place to get everything going, to bring our power companies together, it would still take two years to get this done. And like Peter Pry's committee, we're running out of time, because it is a matter of time before something is going to happen. We're running together as in on the same page, not to make one big jack-o'-lantern. Yep. The, what I was going to say, I'm sorry, I'm under the weather. I'm at the end of this two-week cold I've had coughing and blowing my nose, so just trying to remember all of my points I want to make. But you can feel free and read through this and get a lot of information of what the threat is, examples. We've been laid out very nicely and what other states are doing about it. As I said, Maine is going to be the, that was the first state to take any initiative to protect their own state. The city of Elma, New York, it's outside of Buffalo. This is where Impact America was formed from a businessman that owns a food company there. But he has actually gotten their town completely off the grid. They, I mean, their self-supportive, they generate their own power. They all take classes on how to can, how to form, how to grow, how to defend themselves. This is probably the most protected city in the country against any kind of natural disaster. Which one was that? Elma, New York. Henry Schwartz is the individual, by the way, a lot of the information I have gotten came from an organization called Impact America. And that was formed and started by Henry Schwartz. And then he knows a lot of high-up people in the government agencies. And he recruited folks like Dr. Pry to put together information on educating everybody about EMP. And if you go to impactamerica.com now, behind tab two, I have just a little page on their mission. There are a lot of videos and reports that you can pull off of that website that explain the EMP threat and what people are doing to help get our group protected. Yes. On a smaller scale, as individuals, what can we do to protect our electronics and our batteries and our vehicles? I have heard they use a microwave to stick things inside an old microwave that will protect the laptop's batteries and car batteries or whatever. Well, a Faraday cage is a term you've probably heard of, and they're quite easy to make. A real simple, inexpensive makeshift one is you get an aluminum trash can and you put a plastic liner in, keep the lid very tightly sealed, but you can put things inside that trash can. That will help shield against EMP. Microwave oven is another good source. You can put your cell phones or laptops or anything in a microwave and that will shield. Should those be grounded or not? I've heard both. I've heard both. I've heard some, though. What do you say? Are you going to ground yours? Mine is not grounded. So what is not grounded? My Faraday cage. Is there sufficient warning time to get stuff like that in time? Okay, if we have a solar flare eruption coming from the sun, three days is what they say we'll have a heads up. Did we get any warning about what came through just in July of 2012? No, none. Zero. Perfect. So, yeah, first, a lot of people heard that. We got no nothing from the government. Now, Missouri, the state of Missouri, state emergency management agency, claims that they would notify our city of St. Louis and county emergency management officials. Well, they never heard anything about that potential threat that came through. How will this affect our automobiles like both short term and long term? Well, the EMP emitted from a solar flare is less damaging, not as severe as a nuclear detonation. So I have seen reports and studies that basically your car batteries, if your dashboard is so made up of electrical components, they would all be fried if your car is on. If your car is not or parked under a garage, you might be okay. But if you're actually in traffic, that's where I've seen everything stops. And it's permanent or permanent? It'll be fried. It's been hit and miss. Some of the studies show that the cars were rendered useless, but after several hours could actually start the ignition. So we don't know. So we don't know. Well, I was involved for a couple of years, weekly conference calls with these high experts, including Bill Graham, or not Bill Graham, and Bob Forston. He wrote that book giving an idea of what could happen after our country's hit with an EMP. And he's very interesting to listen to. He's got a good website that gives a lot of emergency preparedness tips. You ask, what can we do? That's one thing I would definitely be doing is preparing. Like you would for any disaster. You've got to have your emergency preparedness kits together. I've got one in all of our cars. And, you know, your supply of food, long term shelf life, water or access to purification methods. It's really all you can do. And try to be able to survive long enough until help comes from the outside. And that's what I would not be counting on. So besides trying to get this fixed, it's have a backup plan B is all we can do. Yep. Sorry. Go ahead. We're talking about nationally search protectors. So in practical purpose, we're going to be using our computers and our cell phones and we're not going to be putting them in a certain age or a microwave or whatever. But like our home, is there search protection or things that we can do for our home that would be individual level versus citywide level of protection? Well, I would say that, you know, you just have to have your appliances disconnected. And you're not going to know when that's going to be. So you can go off grid. There's some very expensive systems that will run your home off the electric grid. But I don't know, those systems still have electrical components and they still have to tap into a source of electricity. And that's what could be fried. Let me get this gentleman in the back. Yes, John. I don't know as much about EMPs probably as you do. I don't think the risk is for your battery. It's more for the electronic, the radio itself. Yes. So if you've got a nice big long wire antenna in the air, which we like to use for hand radio for long distance, and it's connected, your hand radio itself is electronic and at risk. You could have a spare on an EMP hand. How about the repeaters? Right. Some of those are backed up with generators and such, but one of the reasons we try as a group to practice simplex, which means radio to radio, with no repeaters is because they could likely go away too. So if you're relying only on you and your friends and neighbors and others, and they have battery powered hand radio, solar maybe, charging up the battery, that's a good way to go. So you recommend unplugging the antenna when you're not using it? Yeah, and that's good for lightning protection too. And they make some fancy surge protectors and such, but it would be even better to disconnect them when you're not using them. And if you could have two and have one of them tucked away in a Faraday cage, that would be even better yet. So then EMP is somewhat selective then. He says it won't hit the batteries, but it will hit the system. I mean is that so, will it target transformers and that sort of thing more than it would the system? It will target anything within a line of sight of where that detonation takes place. And it just disrupts anything that's connected electrically to the grid. Now, the batteries I'm not sure about. That's receiving power. Yes. So if something's unplugged and then the other two. Right, that's what I understand. Yes, sir. You said you had three days on the solar. When they see this coronal mass. You've got seconds, right? Exactly. If you know, you don't have any advanced warning on that. Once that vertical launch takes place, and I'm talking about a simple submarine or cargo ship, you have no notice. They don't have any way to bring that down. And it's too late at that time anyway. I have another question. I've noticed the upgrading of a lot of our emergency management systems. They went to vocal warning systems versus just a siren. Are they ready? Are they, are they vulnerable to the same thing? Well, the, I mean the systems are connected to power. So if this, this, this surge, it comes through. It's a nanosecond. It's so quick, you can't stop it. And it goes through. It travels through any lines that are out there, electrical lines above or below ground. And there just is no warning. There's no way. And yeah, that would be affected. They would not be able to transmit if, if, I know it's all kind of unified now. Yeah. I mean, those are, those are storm warning systems. They're for tornadoes and hurricanes and that sort of thing. It's not made to withstand any MP attack. Yes. Are there some kind of myths that people believe that you would like to point out? Myths? There's basically misconceptions about the MPs. So the, I think there, there, there was, I'd say again, this education process was started seven years ago. And more and more people are aware. The problem we've had is the politicians believing that an EMP won't happen. Very small likelihood that we would have that happen as an event. That's one myth. Because that's wrong. It can happen now. It can happen twice a month. Yeah. Yeah. So other than that, not believing that it can happen. So nothing else, nothing like misconceptions about how to keep things safe, really? Well, there's, there might be misconceptions on the, on the amount of damage, like what things will get fried and what things won't. But as a general rule, anything that's unplugged and off and not connected, it won't be damaged. Now, your, your cell phones are constantly, I mean, if they're on, they're subject to that pulse coming through. They're going up the towers. I mean, they're going to zap the towers up if it's a cell phone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. So if you were to prep for an EMP, what would be some of the best things that we recommend that we have on hand? What do we double up on? Yeah. Just save. Well. Besides food and water and everything. Yeah. You got. The main, main things you may want to have. Besides the normal prepper stuff. Think of anything, if you're a camper. Think of anything that you can use. You're going to have all this, all these things in your house anyway. So what would be the size of the generic prepper stuff? I mean, is there electronics like having a second ham radio that's unplugged in a ferrida cage? Well, the ham radio is that I am interested in learning how to use ham radio and what that's all about. I bought the book and I'm looking through it and I'm going, oh boy, what are ohms doing here? I'm not, I'm not a technical guy, but I do see that having chains of communication is going to be, that's going to be paramount if we have an event like that happen, you're going to need to communicate somehow with somebody on what's going on out there. Even if we don't need to, it's nice to know if you can talk to the guy in the next city and you can talk to the guy in the next city, you can find out what's going on across the country. Instead of being sitting here. We might have plenty of food and water. Food and water, but home defense. You don't know what's going on. I have a way to defend, home defense, food, water, clothes. Another question. Is a good way to test your faulty cage? I've heard this. I don't know, maybe you know some methods. Is to take your cell phone, put it inside the microwave and call the phone and if it, the signal. Is that a good? Yep. No, I've heard that. I have heard that. Do you have any others on you? No, I have not. What was the question? On how to test your faulty cage or your microwave by putting a cell phone in there and calling it to see if you receive a signal. Yes. Yeah. Other than that, I don't know what else. It might be synonymous with what things travel electronically. Yep. Definitely, I've seen that. I tried that and the phone rang inside the microwave. It did. Yeah. So that's what I wanted to say. Today was the first time I ever picked up a signal in the walk-in. It worked. All of a sudden I started getting text and I'm like, I'm in the walk-in. I've never, I usually went, as soon as you walk in, you grab and call. How about an aluminum foil? I've heard you could wrap things in several layers of aluminum foil. I have a solar generator. And it came in a wooden crate box. And I made a Faraday cage out of that wooden box. I simply lined it with aluminum foil on the inside completely and covered it then with a layer of aluminum screening. And you've got to make sure you have your edges all sealed well. But that's all you need. Aluminum foil, aluminum screening. And that will act as an insulation. I've heard a leakage. Yes. A leakage concerning an EMP that if it wasn't grounded and there was a break in the cage somewhere. It could filter in. Yes, it could. But whose test did that? They have done some tests of equipment like that. I mean, there are companies that make these Faraday bags. You can buy them. And they're out there on the market. So if the power's down. Power's down. Power's down. All these are just temporary fixes. The Faraday cage. Everything. Yes. Because once my battery's dead, I can't charge them any longer. The only thing I've got is enough time to base your contact with people that I need to contact. Or have solar back up. Or have solar back up. Or something like that. But other than that, the solar back up pretty much. Well, then can you think about it, if everything's down and a lot of the major equipment's down, how are you going to make any calls? How are you going to get on the internet? The best thing to do is to prepare for the dark agent. Yes. How are you going to prepare for the dark agent? It's like grandparenting. Yeah, I was hoping to see what we should have. We talked. I think that would be really good. Doc had a similar speech about this one two weeks ago. And there was a sergeant in the Marine Corps. And when they pulled their Humvees up to where they're stationed at, they actually drive a six-foot rod and ground it into their Humvees. So they plug it into their Humvee. And if there is like an EP, and this is, again, like, you don't know if it's going to work. They say it's going to work. But it's grounding. It's grounding. Yes. And he's saying, you could do this to your house. Basically, you've got your small ground wire that goes, and everyone's house goes down to the ground. Basically, you replace that little tiny wire with, you know, inch copper wire. You'd have to redo your circuit board. But then run down to the six-foot copper end of the ground. But again, if everything's out, your house is not going to have electricity anyway. All you're doing is saving your stuff from what? You're not going to be able to plug it in anyway unless they get the electric balance six months, seven months down the road. And you've got to hang on that long. Exactly. Food and water. Yeah. My stuff's not fried. But at the same time, there's no power. You get your funds. Yeah, it's more about funds than anything I'm saving. Well, yes, sir. I'll come back. Explosions and explosions go down. Will the satellites be affected if they ever die? Well, the satellites have been affected from solar flare, magnetic storms. Nuclear, it's, well, it's line of sight. So, you know, it is an explosion that's going all directions, but it's coming down where the electric force is or where our atmosphere is. But if there's a satellite within close enough proximity, oh, yeah, it would definitely be, it would be affected. They'd be hanging up there. Nobody would communicate with them. But eventually, if they ever die, the ones on the other side would be affected. Yeah. Yeah. Well, from a community standpoint, you mentioned the ham radios, the portable ham radios. There's batteries called in-loops. They stay charged for 10 years. They can be charged 22,000 times. A pack of 12 costs like 20 bucks. And they make them in AA and AAA, and you can keep those charged in a microwave for a backup radio or whatever. At least walkie-talkies are something because you need to communicate with your friends and nothing else. Right. And you get a solar- That is a good point. And you get a solar-powered charger and have that for standby, whatever. But you will need to communicate. I see those little camp stoves. You start your fire inside the camp stove and generate some of the power to charge your cell phone so I don't know why I couldn't charge my battery. And there was a Kickstarter company that made a saltwater charger or a unit that could be laid in a babbling brook and it actually would charge a laptop and a cell phone. So there are some things you could have because you really don't want to go back to the dark ages as long as you can. So what did you say that was a battery called N-Loop? N-Loop. Panasonic makes them. Sanyo makes them. A lot of companies make them and they're on Amazon. I have a solar-powered backpack that has a battery that basically is charged by the solar panel or ACDC. And it'll charge laptops, my cell phones, any electrical devices. The last thing on the N-Loops, they come in, like I said, double A's and triple A's and then they make these adapters that you can slide the double A into and use Sieve cell battery flashlights and D-cell. And they will work. That's a good point. So you need flashlights too. So yeah, anything emergency gear, common sense. There's so many lists you can access on the Internet for emergency preparedness to give. Run down. Everything that you got to have on hand. And I would especially encourage you to have that kit in your car trunk. In your family's car trunk. If you're ever out and we are hit with an EMP event, you're going to need to get home somehow and you've got to have your kit with you to get by. I have read excerpts of it, but it is a very good book. Bill Forston. Is it realistic? Oh yeah, it's very realistic. Yes it is. I mean his scenario shows how community comes together and what they have to do to work together and survive. They ain't their dogs. I just read the book, they ain't their dogs. Sorry. Yes sir. Relatedly, if you live in a community, tell them they're in. Well Sir, Marvin St. Louis, your chances on a five-hour walk walkie would be a lot better than on a four-hour island. Of course, when you look farther out, if you're looking at handheld radio, your antenna, and why is it just going to be a cool thing to make a five-hour walkie with a can of whistle-rovers still, you're not going to go far, especially if you have a short antenna. But on these radios, they are longer so you can get more range with some of your mobiles that actually want to be if you run on a 12-volt battery. Some of them are pushing it to the five-locks or better on the sound, and you can talk that out on the simple act to do that. A much better chance of contacting someone over more water. But if you're looking at a four- or five-lock walkie and you're out in the country or from your neighbor down the road, you might be able to talk with him. Maybe, yeah. You know, hills and your terrain as well. I was talking to Simplex. You're not far from him, but yeah. I just wanted to kind of throw that out for a five-lock walkie on Simplex. Mm-hmm. And the terrain. Yeah. He's got a lot of trees, a lot of hills. First, in Illinois being flat, you're going to go farther in Illinois than you are out right. I look at hills. I'm looking at different antenna options that are way to get more water down. I'm supposed to run and docks more educated on that than I am, but it'll be as simple as Simplex. It's figuring out how to hook that up if you don't want to buy a radio that has 45 watts that comes up to your finger. Mm-hmm. You'd have to use a bigger antenna to reach out if you want to run a Simplex. If I, you know, try to contact someone where I live with a five-lock walkie, some docks is probably the only one with proper gear. And I wouldn't want to be in a suburban or a city area if that happens. So I'm just figuring out how to hook that up. Good point. Yes, sir. Predictions followed up after EMP, let's say China or Russia, or do you think they would just let us attack Illinois? That sounds like a lot of data, but won't they follow up at all? Well, for one, I know China and Russia are not our best friends. And I don't think that they would intentionally strike first here and cause an EMP and crash our grid. I think that would happen with either North Korea or Iran first before I would worry about Russia and China. There's too much trade that we have between us that I just don't see them trying to upset the apple cart, but who knows if anything can happen. It's the rogue states, the rogue groups that I worry about that have no conscious. They do this to us in a minute. And you also know that there are terrorist cells in our country. We have 35 terrorist training camps operating freely in our country. Now, some of the things the FBI, I get pissed about because they do nothing. Maybe their hands are tied, I don't know. But they do nothing to bring these groups under control or get the hell out of our country. I just don't get it. They use our laws. They hide behind our laws to operate. And if there's ever an EMP attack on our country, you can just imagine what these terror cell groups are going to do. They're just waiting for that day. And that's why I preach home defense and Second Amendment, amen, brother. They say World War II in Japan didn't attack us because we were a well-armed country. That's right. And I do worry about where groups are trying to take us. And I'm not going to let it happen, just like I know you won't either. But it's only so much we can do. I'd like to say something about the website. We have videos on the website, which this one will be posted. Dan Hyatt on our website, if you want to know about prepping, he was in California when the grid went down for two weeks. So he gave us a short presentation of what really mattered in those two weeks. Oh, yeah. The neighbors had a pool, so they survived off the neighbors' pool water. But he gave a lot of helpful hints of what you can do to prepare or what you can have to pass off to other people just to keep them off your back or to help somebody. So that's a good thing to do. Do you remember the ship that was blacked out in the ocean? Do you remember where that was? It was one of our ships, one of our best battleships. It was over in the last April or the April before? It was a year or two back. They had a Russian fighter jet to fly by. And they got very close to a US Navy ship. It was supposed to be one of the more sophisticated ships in the Navy. And they completely and utterly blacked them out. They were completely dead in the water. And there were several Navy personnel on that ship who resigned officers. They resigned their commissions. And when they came back up, they went immediately into port. So I don't know if that was EMT or what they were doing to block them out. Well, Russia and China both have these EMP weapons that are designed to do just that. Fly by and hit a burst. That's a test. So if you have your best military that's dead in the water. I mean, the military has been hardened for a long time, but there's still weaknesses there. Because there's new technologies that come out. Yeah, computers. Yes, ma'am. For legislation, the Grid Act, the Shield Act, the Critical Infrastructure Protection Act, five attempts all past the House. The House Energy Committee has to get the bill going. And once they bring it out of committee, they bring it to a House vote. In every case, they have passed. They have done their job. They have passed those bills. Like last year, the House passed the Critical Infrastructure Protection Act. The Senate, it did even get out of committee. It died. Here's the problem. Every time, it's always at the end of the year. It's always in November and December. They never get it. They don't do anything to get this out and to a vote. Then you got to start over the process entirely every year. So this year, I don't know where it is, but there is a website that you can track these bills and find out where they are in process. Senators like Senator Trent Frank out of Arizona, he sponsors these bills, but it's frankly running out of steam. Instead of attacking it on a national, bring it down to the state. What this petition did was it put this on Nixon's desk, and rather than going through, bringing up through the committees to pass legislation, that takes too long. That's a year or two, maybe three to get that done. Our suggestion was executive order. Here you go, Governor Nixon, and it's outlined in here. Here's a sample executive order. You can fill out. Your secretary can fill that out and get it passed and done. Nothing to wait for. For our state. Yeah, for our state. Yeah, I'm trying to get Missouri protected. And that's where if you know folks in other states and you can get this paper to them to present to their governor, they have a chance to protect their own state's grid. Well, I sent him my package, my letter last April last year. Followed up with a phone call to his assistant all three months afterwards. They did send me a letter. He's reviewing this with Missouri's Homeland Security Division. Okay, I called back two months ago and asked where they are on this. Nobody knew. Couldn't give me any answer as to who was looking at this. I'm still waiting for them to call me back and give me some update. And I said, okay, well, I guarantee you that I'm going to keep calling whoever dies first. I'm going to keep calling and getting the answer because I want to know if we're doing anything at all about this. It's a simple fix. Oh, yes. Office phones. Yeah, it's like anything else. Yeah, I sent a letter into the St. Louis Post Dispatch Editor outlining this exact scenario. It's in the hands of our governor. And they published my letter. I was glad about that. So you've got to take action and you've got to do it. You either got to make things happen or you watch things happen or you wake up and wonder what the heck happened. Right. My favorite second. Okay, yeah, right. Wednesday, April 13th, you walked out of the governor's office right there in Capitol building and complained in person to it. All your representatives and your state senators and everything like that. Yeah, yeah. What's April 13th? I'm sorry on the day. Oh, okay. All right. There you go. That's a good thing you can talk to them about. Very good point. Exactly. We'll bring this with you. If there's a geomagnetic storm in the city, we've got the three days notice. Do you think the public is going to be notified or do you think the public is right? Do you think not? No, I don't. I don't think the public is going to be notified because we weren't notified when it nearly missed us. So were there any advantage going like on the NOAA and the solar? Are there some sites that track geomagnetic storms or any of that stuff, like going on the ocean with that? Or were they trying to shut those down? I don't know. There's a gentleman in the tracks that every day puts a YouTube out at 5 a.m. every morning. Don't change his objections. Don't change the subjectors or objectors. Don't change the subjectors or objectors. Don't change the subjectors. Yes. Yeah, just observers. Yes. Yes. Thank you everybody. Don't change the subjectors. Get to avenues and subscribe to your channel. Yeah. Get to the dev pod on your channel. It shows all this solar weather. That's a good point, but I would say, though, John Q. Public getting the word. see our emergency management responders get the word first because that's what they did tell Missouri SEMA but yeah we won't but they're gonna have to get their forces in place to deal with and extended outage and what to do you know what but will they do St. Louis didn't have a plan and neither did the county and that was three years ago and I haven't heard that they really got a formal policy in place for this kind of an event okay thank you for your time and I hope you came away with a few bits of good information and keep this handy and we'll keep plugging away I hope we do get Missouri protected