 Oh, well, Mr. President, that's showing you up. Too bad. I don't think so. Aren't you pretty close to Joe Rao? Oh, I can talk to him. He always disagree about everything. Well, he had a good meeting with us the other day, and I think that we left him in good shape. See, I'm meeting him, aren't I? Yeah. He didn't meet him with any clothes on. I thought maybe you ought to tell him that you want to do business with him and that I like him, and I want to do business with him. But he got to get married to people. He'd just been raising the hell here long enough. I got a memo last night, and Ram's in. He said to Robert and some of the other one, neither one of them is good enough to that court. We ought to get a doer in there. And just tell him that he can go out and find somebody. But we got to have the top man. We just can't take these second-rateers. Tell them, I said, there's nothing of them at the top, me and you. And we've got to have first-rate people. And we'll play ball with them, and we'll follow them here in the district any way we can, but we just can't take these scrubs because they're married to somebody. They got a sister-in-law. Any reason why he can't talk to them that far? No, no, there's no reason. Like I say now, we know you obligated this man because his wife works like hell, and we want to recognize them. We don't want to put him on the bench. I'll get the president to give him something else. I'll get him something else. We'll put him on some board around here. But we just, we don't want to put him on the bench. We need his bench cleaned up. I'm going to be the first attorney general in Maid Washington to crime-free. Now, I'm going to do that, Joe. And I got to have your help, but I got to have a real 35, 40-year-old doer that works like hell day and night. And I think you and I owe that to the president. He wants married. And he points every man I send over there. And I won't send your man, but I can't send this fella because he's really dead and got it. And the one that we got here is a little better. I don't remember what his name. I think Atkinson and Robinson or something, too. But one of them's a little better, but neither one of them meet my standard. I just got to get the best man because we've got this mayor of Selma coming out here and looking for entertainment and stuff like that. We just got to have the best here in Washington. So see what you can't sell him on that package. All right. Now, it looks like to me, they just really murdering us on this publicity, on this bill. They're having to redo the bill to protect the country from Texas and Johnson has overlooked this and so on. So when our Republicans won't get anywhere in the house bill, will they? No, no, Mr. President. I'm really disappointed, McCulloch. I was a great admirer. Well, I've been disappointed in him, too. I think he's even disappointed in himself in a way. I think he's wanted to go along but he can't bring the leadership with him. I think he will end up going along with the bill. I'm inclined to think whether he does or doesn't. We have the votes in the house, Mr. President. The only thing they're likely to do in the house is try to abolish all poll tax by statute. We talked about that before. I'll try to discourage you. I really just don't think the court would go that far. Well, can we abolish all poll tax by constitutional amendment? Can we abolish constitutional amendment? Why don't we get somewhere able to offer a constitutional amendment to resolution? And let's get Teddy Kennedy or somebody in judiciary offer one right after this. And I would sure put them on the spot by letting somebody. Of course, you know better strategy, and I hadn't thought about it, but I'd give them hell on that Puerto Rican thing. I'd make them back up and run. Oh, I wouldn't be responsible for it. I'd let Bobby give it to them to the Senate and I'd let the ablest man I had in the house shove it and shove it and shove it. Started that, I did that with the Democratic study group yesterday, I just told them to, you know, it's half a million votes in New York. We get it. And I think we ought to at least pin responsibility on why it isn't in there. So I told them, now we didn't have it in our bill, did we? No, we didn't have it in our board, didn't we? Well, because you wanted bipartisan bill, Mr. President. I couldn't get bipartisan support for Puerto Ricans. I can't now. But there's no reason why one of these fellows, Congress there, on both sides, can't offer it. And Nick, you know, they're gonna screw your death on delay, they're just doing that. Dirk's calling up and saying he wants to put off, put off, put off, they're not gonna consider this thing now for Easter. Yeah, I know. And this day and night thing. This thing goes out of it, that's the problem. That's right. Down there, well, I got, Mattie is working harder than I've ever seen him work, don't say that. When's he gonna report? He's gonna get it to the full committee, he's gonna get it reported to the rules before the Easter. Well, that's all right. That's all right. And that's all right. And then the Senate will get it reported, too. But yes. And it'll be just pretty much the way it is now. And I agree with you about the publicity of it. Yeah, they make him look like they're taking it over. Dirtian air every day says it's a dirtian bill. And the next day when they find something wrong, it's a Johnson bill. I recognize that. It just shipped. So I just need to press this Sunday and I think I can do something there to help a little bit. I'll tell you what I do on that, meet the press. I just say anytime you have a chance anywhere that the president, since he first entered politics, has been trying to repeal a poll tax in his own state. He's wanted to do that. He bought Radio Time, he and Mr. Rabernick campaigned over the state, but he's not a lawyer and every lawyer that he's talked to it, he believes and told him he couldn't repeal it by statute. He has voted against repealing it by statute all through the years. So they say he's voted against it 13 times because lawyers say he couldn't do it. He told me to try to see if there's any possible way to do it. I didn't see it. I was afraid it would hand the captain the bail. But the project, he authored the constitutional amendment. I brought up this constitutional amendment thing, got it to all organized, got people to sign it with me, got a majority of them and really got the constitutional amendment thing through. Now, if they can do it by bail, I sure would love nothing better because I have carried the heavy weights on my shoulders all these years for not being able to repeal a poll tax by statute. Now, these Northerners, they just jump up and repeal it every minute by statute. They don't care how the vote was. Well, these are the same votes two years ago were agreed that you couldn't do it by statute. You know, I don't have to take the responsibility. And I think I do, I think I have a responsibility to keep something constitutional. I got you, I gave in and just agreed to get raped by your crowd in Wisconsin. So I'm gonna put you a man, the governor, whatever your name is, this ex-politician. I don't want you and Ramsey ever talking to me about standards anymore, though. He came over, he came over there. All right, Mr. President, they're very high standard. Yeah, the hell they are, they're just, yes. This defeated politician rejected by the people who's jettin' in me all the time. Well, what's his name, Governor Reynolds? That's not very high standard. I can give you a bunch of ex-convicts, but if you want them, ex-governors. I've got Matt Welch in Indiana, and I've got John Wachigalton in Missouri, got Rosalene in Washington. I'll just feed him to you boys, if you and Ramsey like him. This president is as light as I'd be standing here. Well, have you got your department? What, have you done any more work on our tax man? Yeah, I got two people, I'm looking pretty closely. I've been gonna talk to somebody on anti-trust this morning, Ston Turner, Harvard, probably the outstanding younger man in the country. He had a heart attack about three years ago, and wasn't interested in 1961 for that reason. I think you might be interested in that one. Can't you get me somebody in the Midwest or South or West besides all these Harvard men? Do you know honestly that nine men out of 10 that I name a Harvard man? No, I don't. They are. They're just everybody that Macy sent me. I have about six of them back yesterday, just one right after the other. Now I know it's a hell of a good school, and I'm farting, I don't mind them having 30%, but I want California. They had just raised in hell. They got the biggest delegation up here. We never can find anybody real good from California. I've never been for tax from California that I think might be real good, and I think we'll have some political backing. We've got to have Brown in the delegation, anybody in California. They got the feelings hurt, they're mad. They thought we sent Tapir out to run against him, and they thought that lost him a seat and screwed things up, and I suspected it. We had nothing to do with it, but we get to blame for it. They had undersecretary interior. We, he quit, they won the job, U-Doll took a man from Idaho. Well, there's a hell of a lot of difference between Idaho and California in a convention and in an election too, so they're mad about that. And they get ready to pass my education bill, about half of it gets sucked, and they say, well, if we don't want to 40 votes in California, the hell of it. We want to go to Idaho, get the one they got up there. And that's the shape we're in. When the same shape in Texas, they get mad at us. We haven't got anything. Ramsay Clark's the only guy. They got nobody in the cabinet, they got nothing. But we can get by with them, but we've got nothing in the West. Dick Daly doesn't get much. You're supposed to be his man, but I don't know how sympathical we are. He thinks that Douglass kind of, we play with him a little, but nobody else. Wisconsin gets the two states that get everything. Wisconsin and this guy down to Harvard. And I guess because Wisconsin's got a good public school, so I'm gonna start my library, and I'm gonna take 100 people a year from over the country, from the United States, and give them four-year scholarships. Just about got all they can eat and wire during that four years, and make them be straight A's, and then turn them out of Texas every year. That's what I'm gonna do when I get out of here. Just go back here and teach, teach them, and make the University of Texas finance, and they've already agreed to put in 18, 20 million dollars. That'd be great. And that's, we're gonna turn out some people. I think that's why Wisconsin got all these damn fellows, because they must have a good school. They got a good public school system up there, and then they got to the University. Well, I look at California, and then when we get somebody that looks good, let us call Brian and give him two or three, and say, here's what they're talking about, and let's talk to the delegation, and particularly on underlings for jobs, and assistance. All right, because I have good, there is a good man, a couple of good men in California for this text. I think you ought to propagandize your little folks that you keep on leash over there all the time. I recognize your interviews every day, so Mary Mottenberg, I think you ought to propagandize them on excellence, and not your house. I didn't have Ramsay there, and have Fred Benson there, and have your young man that you're bringing in yourself. This Colorado one looked like good enough to me to announce your appointment, but he looked like a damn good fellow, Ramsay, talking to me about him. That young man's good. And I'll just propagandize the hell out of him. I believe 90% of this stuff's aimed at you. We don't ever do that. I've named top men, I've got more fiber than anybody in the country, but we don't let it out. So to give us an image of a wheeler-dealer political thing, I think you ought to help turn that and show that you brought young, practical lawyers that can try lawsuits at the same time or up at the top of their class. Here's Ramsay Clark from the University of Chicago, but he tried them day in and day out with a Texas sheriff's and a little roughest of mole, and built him up as a rough lawyer, but he's meek and mild as a mouse, and then took your Fred Benson and Kentucky and then moved into your young man from Colorado, and you got a 80-wise from New York at Columbia. And just get it where you've got excellence written over every brow in that department. Have your Rosenthal give him. The one thing we want is excellence, equality, equity. We're just three E's. This is a three E department, excellence, equality, and equal. And I would just make them start leaking right quick, and this catching back is a Marty shy guy, but he's, he won his spurs with Johnson himself. He's never been a president and turned a general a little closer unless it was a Kennedy Brothers. Johnson supports him in any damn thing he wants to do, and where's what he's done? He's moved in there in 12 hours. He had the man arrested and this woman killed him. And in 12 days, he had an indictment, and he's not messing around with this stuff, and he's not getting on any flag poles showing his tail, but he's, while he's handling both the house and the city, and while he's doing all these other things. 12 hours he had him arrested, 12 days he had him indicted, and I just have some columnists doing that. I get that little Rosenberg, whatever his name is, and just get him about three assistants working on these damn columnists, and excellence and equality and equity. That's what we believe in. We don't play any politics. They use paper in the country a lot of time. We call it with Sim. We don't harass people. We always welcome both sides, but we write down the middle, and if you're innocent, you sure want to be tried by a cat's back. If you're guilty, you better get you another court. That's what's on that. Let's get some of this political image off of us. We're not seeking anything. We're not running any office. You don't ever have to be elected to nothing. You already made it, and whatever you want to do, you can do, from the court on in and out. But let's, during this next three years, let's just show them that we got a good line operation that never been a better Justice Department anywhere. Now, on this bill up there, I want you to get to it. It's going to be the Johnson bill. I want you to say we agree with this. The president, I've talked to him about this. He wanted to do this in the beginning. I had some doubts, and we have got to compromise. Let's just don't let them do it by themselves. What they do, everything they do by themselves, it become their bill if it's any good, if it's bad, it's mine. I want 50, 50, you can tell Dirksman, with the willing, with the willing. Mine's with him every day, and you don't mind, with him every day, with him every day, with him every day.