 अप देक्रे ہیں 575 oz का लेया नवेला अईबाश्वोडव अख्सर अब जानते अगर आम नहीं अद़वांगा आप पूलो करते हैं than we come every sunday to you at 2pm on newsclick.in एक क्रिकित से जोबी किप तरिक्तःावा तोपक हैं उसके वरेह में आक्सर बास थरते है मैः है निकल नास हैं अजेमी अल्टा हमार साथ नहीं लेकें दो और हमारे यापे खिलाडी या मारे साथ जुट सुके हैं सदान तानी और वेखर दरगनन्दन गैस देखी सुमच फुर जोनेग आस तोड़ा बड़ा इशू है, बड़ा इन दिसें समसेंगे आप ब्रोड तोपेग, इस नहीं जोंगे लेटे तो स्पोर्ट्स, बड़ या मुच वाईदे नेट जोंगे हम बात कर रहे हैं, अच्सर मैं आपको तोड़ा औरिजन दिसके बार में बताजग, अब भी हाली में आ आपको बड़ा आस्वागा, अच्सर काफि आत्टीट साई जाहे अगरे जम भूँन्दोस भी आत्टीगा हो, अमरकन आत्टीट सो, और लेड़े बारे में बात कर ये, अद ये बात आब आब आपको रहाँ आपको, अ़गा आपको फोक तो स्पोर्ट्स दीग, अपको ज तो उस ताईम, उनके तीमेट से उनके काफी तीमेट से उनके नाम नहीं लिया, वो उनको एक शब्ट से बलाते दे, which is a derogatory word, जो अकसर अगर आप आप लोग सब जानते हैं कालू, कालू कर के यहांपे एक शब्ट से उनको बलाते दे, और उनने अपने अपने अपने अपन और आप आपने कि आपने अपने छीए आपने डेखे नहीं हैं, अपने अपने तीमेट सी बगicit से पीसात ताएम कोग। अपने अपने अप रफ पीसे लिए लटे जानते पाज शब क ग़ोग सबंए रवग हो आपनो ठा ले गाूँ, अपने कभी ये चीज़ देखे नी है, अफिशली नोवन अस कम नहीं देखोग देखे जी अस. पारमे अदिया विक्रिट कीपर पार्थे प्टेल हो तो आज पार्टे दे फ्रन्चायाज अद देखाई में आप देखा है नी. अर्फान् पट्ठान ने भी येईबात पोली एक मैंने एसा कोझ देखा नी है, और बेनुखो पाल राव, जोने एक ताईम पे भारथ के ले भी केलते थे, नहीं आब वी अप आद्दर ख्रिक्ट असोष्व्याष्व्याश्व्याश्व्याश्व्याष्व्याश्व्याष तो आज बात इसके बारे में होगी, बात होगी विड़ो तें की ये जो कैज्वल रेसिजम है, जे से काफी हम लोग बाखेफ है यापे हमारे देश में, इसका इस में कितना बडा योग्डान है, निखिल नाज जोकी आचकल मीट्या को काफी जुएज़ेज़ेज़ेज़ Hi. my question is related to the circumstances that we find ourselves in at the moment and we all know you know with the situation with George Floyd and black lives matter this whole thing happening at the moment I know during your plane career you've also spoken about racism first day do you think cricket now has become more sensitive more careful with regards to racism as it was let's say the time that you playbn ankle to be honest I don't think individual sports are the ones that need to worry about racism. You will get racism. People will show things at cricket grounds, football grounds wherever. You can't stamp out racism by tackling individual sports. You have to tackle the society. भी बैंकोंतंगे चवड़ोम बहुजने सी चोडगोंतंगे चरीत यह भ़ा मुध हो��टे, चवरोबा बाश्ण किसिश्रची वी वे भी च मुले शकत्सारे को पनाप्त्योंगा चवाखते longer than strength and status. थरoney वार्स्द आपो सपसण στην कैनाधनेगा. प्रार्यान शोँग़ा फरी complain of roads and regulations and their condition चानदा क्यवें जूँ स्थ बन घाना वेईं जूँ स्उद्धा अपतर को रही दाए. यह लिए थी धाखिल तुह मजदिन करते हैंडर है. तुह मजदिन कहाई नेवी जी ऴिजों बलाइ. अगो बगिन नहीं भी उआथका और बच्रे सब आऔगा कहँई डूवी आदिकी दिश्नेवें। यस स्बहद स्तामनेगे आप डूवी शब बउआथा. आप ओब प्रदी बाल्चवा पर काँजा नी, बऒद आदिकी वेदि आटिका आप आप आप लेतागाँ. उस्पिर्रेंदिब भी बुएन्ग़बी श्प्रेरिया से ताभडी तो नहीग हैं, सुफ़न क़॑े सिरवाँगी कर पूण्धेषु प्तेईचा करे लिएन, नहीख गोके जब दिन सास थी कि नहींग में लिएन सके नब ख़रे थी थे थी ती घ़ोंगी में और कि विविस अगर आपने सुनलिया उसको पकर लोगे नहीं सुन पाए तो यह तो आप पर पास आन पर बोल भी दो आप रही नहीं कर पाते किसने बोला वो फिर भी बजज्जाएगा, में रूड कोस यहाँ पर है, सुचाइती यहाँ आसी है, लोगो को सिखाया जाता है, कि बही आसा फर लोगे सुचाइती से कि बान रेसे सुपीर दिन दिन दी आद, तो यह चीज़े सुल्ब नहीं हो सकती, स्पोड लिए जिस तन एक स्छन्चल अफर सुचाइती नहीं, अपने साभाल बी पुचाता है, स्पोड तब पुचाता है अपने साभाल नहीं, यह आपने साभाल बी आपने साभाल बी दिन गब कि सब आद आपने साभाल देए ईगा, अर दीरो बना रहे हैं यी लोंके आचीववंटे शल्ब रेद करते हैं येनी लोंगे बलबूते पे आपके दीमे आपके नश्टल्तीम हो या क्लौबसाइद हो या अपी अच्टाईग शाएग, या वुद्बाल दीम हो मुण्त अलगल लेविद्याय पर भापटी कातने है, एक आपी अपाल यहुल ठेग। आबतब और गवाद, अप नहीं, बाप नहीं मात्र बाचा ہے, की विए आप वद हैं। यह व beaucoup of the difference occurs, you know i don't know if like यह विए विए काईश्रु भी आप यह एदिविट और वे। बजीा निड़ोग की अग़ी की लगागा उपनी विःदों,् अग़ी अग़ी नाकबाई शॉछ़ात् हैं,। अग़ी शुग़े का भी का भाई हो शुअ अग़ी। ॐ ौ ौ ॓ ौ और सुगा, और सुगा अस्वी, ठुड़ा अन्री औन को ख़ामा अपाज्दा। यह उसली ज्या है, देखा, जिन और वो नाग इस ख़ादा्वादा, गर्एँ सोगा कि बाज्गा ती इसको देवागदा, and I'm not sure how the two are possible or how it's possible for the two to coexist at the same time and in India also because of the deeply engrained history of caste based discrimination and distinction that exists in society across the board where if we belong to an Indian region so this be reality So this even makes the matter further complex. further complicated and we've seen it alluded to in different forms फ़ीलगा तचटिनईग्या ठिस्टिश्वाए, औरिख़ा प्ऱ्ढ़़ है, नीक, जिकरी च्टिश्डी जोग, खो स्विल्स को, अन्गिरन्त क्षान्जम, नीक, भी जे मंवग्या जाएष फ़िल्छगा भूँन, मैं आदब आद Anyway, it's expanded itself to gender minorities, to sexual minorities, to sexual minorities. जड़़्क सांभाग यो कछएल FrançaisNA تम कित convincingly ago ये कछ़े तदी थांसिवं ज़े कोत्येсте it being in the workplace जूर कि कुबर और उछें गे थाच़ा아요南 to go arerial उन लोल एकुई कठा गष groom lined ऑन लेँद उबार क्यbai यह थी बी शकूट से बात करे हैं चाहे तोगब डो कब गेम पे देखगे जे आप खेलो ने एंूच़िए गेमस पे जमे था तो वो आप आप एसे जीजे बोलेंगे जेसे की आजज़ जरनलिस्ट है आप एंसे बात कर रहे हैं कि सर आप क्या दूनते हैं, क्या, like what kind of, like what is the sort of mentality, what is the body structure, what are you looking for in young athletes. To determine whether they will be successful or not. They will give you these stereotypes, they will reinforce these stereotypes in a positive way. Which is like, अदिवासी बच्छे बहुत काम होते हैं, अंका दिमाग बहुत स्तिर होता हैं. तो इन लों को हम, defensive position में खिलाना पसंते हैं. नोर्टीष्के वच्छे में स्किल बहुत जाडा होता हैं, तेने हैं हम फास्ट होतें, विपी होतें, सुथ वाले बच्छे तो यार उंका स्तामना की बाती ही कुछ और हैं. यो आप दीस काईन लग, दिस काईन लग, सीड़ाई में लिएं। आससुन अखे तो जुन्यूर एनड्नेर टीम, देशाडी भाई साब नहीं वो तुप कोडके हैं, यह सुन्दर गड़ से आतें, दिलिप तिरकी से चुन्दर की रगग है, यह आदी वासी लगग आए, तो नहीं और हम तुप तुप कोडके हैं। उसके आज तक भी रेंडर लख्डा को आगे खिलाया है है लिए ने गाया है सिर पन्यावी दड़के खिलते है आगे क्यो? मैं बदार हो ना क्यो? तेख दिनाच्रल इजाम्चिन देख गोगने बी चिल तेरा है बी वी गोज देम रें गे वेग अपने आप पटाए है नी चिल रहागे उसकते है बलको डो सकते है ना बही आगर आप वेस्ट लिन्टीज में हो अपने एक्चम्ट दे रहा हो आप खिलना मी ताए में रहा हो आपको पुरी पात्वा थोडी आजेगी हर भड तोडी समझागे है अपने आपको लेगा कोई प्यार सी बुल रहा है ताएन लखते है अपने अपने क्रेटिड अगर उनको चाही होता कुन्त्रबसी ही है कुछ होती तो अज उन लोगे नाम भी ले लेते है उनका भी आप रीसें स्टेट में देखो सामी कहाँ अपने कुछ है कि मैं बीसें ताए लोगन ले काँ थाई लोगन नाम नी लोंगा लेकिन बीअन सब को अगी मेसेच दाल रहा है और मैं उनको से जान चाहता हूँं कि अप दिए बीग जीस बुलारे थे क्या बो आप प्यार सी बुलारे थे या कोई और मत्लप से बलारते है, या आप मुझे इंसर्ट कर रे दे, जैसा मैंने एस आसल मिनाच के शोमे सूना, या आप मुझे बलारते है, तो आप लोग मुझे इकस्प्लें करो. तो बस्प्लिए बलारते है, अप आप मैंने बुझे बलारते है दे, तो आप मुझे बलारते है, दो बस्प्लिए बलारते है, वि बितिया है. षो ज़ों कर बाद्बांना एक लकण रही है।, पर एक नहीं वोगते किया है, तूम और नहीं वोगते लिए तूर। आप सब दो आप ये बदा नहीं लिए अगतों जो नहीं ती लग लग दी. क्OMAN तु ओखlउ उज़िज मार आंग़ी होली है, ना क�rem' किसी�ік नगी क्या क्हितिस Katie री अप गतिस थिई. निढ़ा कि आऔतःा कوجऑताँ टेखागा कि रहा है. आप व hygum ek becomenes quanto li kec था खिल आहँ धआद लवग क्या के रहां रहा हो गलागा अग देखी देखे आगऔग है कि लिए दीजना देजने थी ड़ी के पहुए यागे یہ बीली की अगर देखे सीथए ख़ुद कषी विस की यह। प्रज्वाद राई जा। अपना विस्चाश्या करी अप रहाएं आस्ठिथाता बाच्शत्या प्रच्च्चंचा परत्चचा वर्च्च्चंां को वो आदाच्चा के अस्झाद्योंंगै... अफ ज़ ज़र थी.. अपका यो संटिल मिथ्फिल्गर, जो प्लेमेगर उसा दिमाग होना बच्रोरी एंञ. तो वयदप्वोय मूना जाएज अओ, और और विनकर खिलागा. आपका विनँगर खिलेगा, वो एगगे बिर्गी. खाछ तक पोसबस. अर्दी अदि आद लिए वहाज़ा नहीं वेशे वोग़ा चाएशिन्चांए, उस जो भी फ्ष़ाने प्रचाजादा की है अच्च्रिवार एद प्रखाचा वराचाचा वी वहाचाचाजा वेशांगा बरक्चाचा लिए प्रखाचाचा वेशा वरेचाचाचाचाचाचा पाखी पाखी तो सबको वोते हैं आप अप गर गये हैं तो आपको भी बुलावें आप मुजे भी बोडा हैं नतो मार पार मी खाछुके हैं एक लिट में तो, तो, I mean it's not of facet of any particular culture or society or whatever social construct. ये हर जगा देखे को मिल रहा है. And this, I mean to some extent of course when you are going to a particular region to scout for places, you are going there because you have historically seen that players from that region can play that sport well or have some history in it or you think that for whatever reasons they might be able to adapt to it. तेंवों सब भी रहा हैं। नहीं रहा हैं। नहीं रहा हैं। When you have reached the stage when you are actually selecting those boys and girls to play that sport, at some level it must come in what that boy or girls actual talents are. Where do they actually fit into whatever structure it is that you are trying to create, where do they fit into a team. You know, you can't, I mean, we often have these arguments with Anuj also of Sudeva who we talked about earlier because in his mind he has figured out how he wants to build a team. So India is not limited to North India, Hindi speaking, Punjabi people etc. Very often this whole attitude of like what we were talking about earlier just comes from this dominant kind of majoritarian bullying more than anything else. So until that kind of changes at the top where all your people who are in positions of power, influence etc. come from a similar kind of dominant, whether it's a caste structure or some kind of overall ethnic structure or however it's done. Until that changes, I think nothing will really, like Nikhil was saying, make a difference. If I can make a point Arjun because you know, you said Abhije bhi Siddhan kaya rata nahi ki kotha hai ki bhi iss area se aap lete yo isko ya usko lete yo and you said what is wrong with that. If I can just give you a perspective on this whole genetics and I'm a huge genetic fan. So my bookshelf made 10% books are just in genes. So I'll quote you something, this one book I've taken, this is called Superior. It's about genes science written by a very famous science journalist called Angelina Saini based in UK. So I'll just give you just to understand that this thinking is also wrong where we think na ki ye gene ya iss area se log better hosakte hai. She's taken a look at basically intelligence. You know ki ye perception hai US main and people give this data ki whites are more intelligent than blacks and there is data to prove that. Kyuki agar aap IQ test vegara sab kuch deko to whites tend to do far better than the blacks. So this is a perception that has been created. But what she talks in this book which is very interesting is one is called your genotype because they relate the genes that the white genes are more intelligent and black is not. So you have the natural air which is what we're talking about in sport. But she talks about something called a phenotype which is more important than the genotype which means what your surroundings are. So it's not necessary that the black gene is more dumb. It's just that the black gene is surrounded in that atmosphere at all the time. And she's done a very detailed study to prove that had there been a black kid who gets the same exposure or lives in the same society as some of the white kids. There is nothing no data to prove that he's not that smart. Now I take that to sport. Agar aap sport mein deko to se ki yaha ke ladko mein zyada stamina hai ki yaha ke ladke zyada strong hai hai yaha ke ladke zyada weak hai. That's also not true. Abhi hum data kyun dekne kyun ki existing waise log maa se aare hai. Kya mein south ke ladke zyada stamina dikhara hai ya north ke ladke zyada strong ho rahe hai ya east ke wo skill hai. Wo kyun ki unka phenotype paise hai. Agar aap football khele rahe hai aap kuch bhi khele rahe hai, ek jaga skill zyada appreciated hai ya wo stara se khele rahe hai to you want to be known best amongst your players as that. So aap wo karthi ho. Nothing to say that ki wo change nahin ho sakta hai. It's just that your surrounding changes so things can change. Nikhil, nikhil, mein agar chat to baap hai skriket pa laun ki show ka naan 575 ounces hai. And the point is ki have you have these issues cropped up in the past as well. And cropped up in the sense where when an athlete is coming out in public and then the officials are saying nahi ji aisa to kuch kabhi hua hai nahi. See itna bada issue hai again I'll take you back few years. Kyun ki aap Michael Olding ke baare mein baat karate. I'll narrate an incident. An incident was a big thing because I don't know if you've read Sunny Days by Sunil Gavaskar. Unki jo kitab thi. In that book, 1976 test match ke baare mein baat ke di. Jamaica mein jo test match hua tha. And they prepared a very bad pitch. It was so bad that a lot of Indian bats were getting retired, hurt. Ye wo wat chote lagri di. It's an infamous test match where Bishan Bedi as a captain said almost conceded a match. So in that Michael Olding was on the opposite side. Us baare usse us store ke baat ji unne kitab likidi Sunil Gavaskar. Usne unne West Indian crowds ke liye likha tha. Because they were chairing their fast bowlers. Mahare rai tha na Indian bats, they were chairing them on. He had written that they were chairing in a way and they need to go back to the trees that they come from. It was a direct indication for them being a monkey race. In his book he wrote it. Uska itna backlash hua tha ki जब 83 में जब एंगें तीमा तोर पे गदें बफो दो वल्गगाब He didn't go with the team Sunil Gavaskar because they are feared that if they land, people were waiting for him to come. Having said that, मैं यी बतारों. It took many years for that Gavaskar to become the legend that he is investing in. Today is most loved. And Michael Olding and Sunil Gavaskar are probably the closest friends today. Even now meet. So I am saying this preconceived notion existed even in greats at the time because they are again part of our society like a Gavaskar but they buried that hatchet. वो बोत पुराना है चीज चलीगी People realized that what I wrote was wrong. He gave a justification. He apologized. And then things have become normal where today is probably the most loved cricketer in West Indies outside of a West Indian player and the opposition player like a holding and a mother closest friend. But still after so many years we have not forgotten ये का से आती रेसिसम? Because you are very proud of what you are. Now I will give you a current example. Let's take an example of Ravindra Jadeja जब वो अपनी तल्वार चलाते है celebration और अपनी Tweet करते है प्राउड राज्पूद भोई That is where racism stems from. He is very proud to be a warrior and a Rajput boy who takes his sword out and he can do it. Because you are inherently I am not saying there is anything wrong to be proud of the race that you come from but when you flaunt it and you show it and you and Talwar is a way of showing that we are a warrior we fight in this place. So what is your contribution? What have you done? You were born in this community what grade have you done? You were just born there to be flaunting it. So this is where it stems from. When we start respecting other communities and not be overtly proud of that I am a Punjabi or I am a Rajput or I am a Brahmin or whatever I am in the Twitter profile nowadays I see many people write their first thing is Brahmin. I mean so like what have you done to be that? You write behind the vehicle that you are a Jatt Jatt boy or Gujar or whatever So till that is out where you are too proud and I think again society make you we are taught in our homes that you know the culture we come from is the best culture this is our history that is our history so this is the problem and all cultures are taught this and eventually you go you are intolerant of other cultures and you are very proud of your own culture that needs to change and then you can take this out I am going to talk about this the same Nikit was talking about the fast bowlers the legendary team that came out and I am sure if you haven't guys who are watching this check out Fire in Babylon it's great not just in terms of like the music Yeah just for that that's what I was going to say apart from the cricket there is also some fantastic music and it's a great chance to explore a little bit of at least the cricket culture that exists in the West Indies where you know these old timers and how it brings in aspects of poetry of music all of that into the cricket field and celebration yeah overall but when these fast bowlers came and started like became the dominant bowling team or force in the world Pelle bhi odada fast bowlers pelle bhi the I mean body line 30 se chal rai if I am not long right when fast bowlers were targeting and it used to be a rivalry between England and Australia there were elements of racism there also where the by the English would refer to Australians as you know basically or as the offspring of prison inmates because Australia there is this whole thing about it being a penal colony and stuff like that right so there is that angle but the minute these black bowlers come and start hitting the the Australian batsman with their deliveries from like a like a jump lady thus for to say up ball dal rai se chalis pe the level of kind of commentary and outright sort of race based attacks that these guys faced was unprecedented I mean no white fast bowlers had to face that kind of criticism for doing his job you know so because these boys have come to kill our batsman straight not that they have come as the like most solid bowling unit probably ever assembled how to just dominate and do the best they can in the job that they are doing and build a fan base blah blah blah etc etc you know so how we sorry because you mentioned about sorry sorry I was just telling that just that example of that white bowler if you know if just referring to firing Babylon it all changed from that tour to Australia and just talking about you know how white fast bowlers would do and it mentioned in the documentary the Australian crowd would also be paying for blood when Jeff Thompson and Lily were bowling they would go how more Lily kill kill kill and that's what they would want you to you know hit them but that was okay but when the black bowler started doing it then that was not okay so I'll give a at the end whenever you're ending I'll give you a very small genetic fact which may change thinking of a lot of people okay so for that you need to pick another book it's called The Gene it's highly recommended by Siddhartha Mukherjee you should read it it's an Indian you know geneticist based in US writes brilliant books I'll tell you one fact that everyone needs to know and as soon as a Ravinder Jadeja or anyone listens to it they'll get over their whole you know feeling of being very proud of the community they come from any white man has to do yeah exactly it's called that just to just to it's a mind blowing fact and all of you should know this that every person alive today every person alive today outside of of Africa whether it's a white American or a Jap or a Chinese or an Indian or a North Indian or a South Indian or a Mongolian or Australian everyone alive outside Africa can trace their lineage back to one woman from Africa a black woman to Africa to one one single woman so that means everybody today is actually of black origin everyone that's alive today is an African of black origin to trace down to one single woman scientifically so you know get over me being a Brahman or I have a white skin or a you know with Chinese are superior as a race the Chinese believe or the Japs think that they are very superior as a race or the whites think like that the fact is every one of us came from that one single woman from the seed of that one single woman and Eve was just a concept but now it's scientifically proven that there is some some woman called they named her the mitochondrial Eve because they've traced the mitochondrial DNA and through that DNA testing have proven that we 70,000 years ago she lived in Africa we are all kids of that one a black woman if you see any picture or other representation of Eve I'm sure she will not be a black woman right definitely not but she is but she is is this the end of this Darren Sammy thing or you suppose there's more to it now this will end I don't think so because I mean the only way it can end or this make Darren Sammy I'll give credit to him that he came like I said he didn't come straight he said this is his name and he took the headlines he took the headlines but the headlines you still took the headlines sir but it can happen if he takes the name who is this player he said the one who said he doesn't want to take the name but personally I've given him messages now I'm assuming that the place he won't want that his name is out and if he you and I say that if he is calling the one who is saying he won't call with love but he will benefit from the doubt he will benefit from the doubt that you tell how it was now I think they will definitely answer in SMS that no no we were joking we love you a lot and you were in our team and it was term of endowment and then Darren Sammy said I don't want to go ahead then it can end but no sorry but like this also since we do keep talking about economics and a lot of it comes to that is where we also have to consider the fact that at the end of the day Darren Sammy's paycheck comes from this club and he jitna mazhi means of course had come from 2013 as in what I'm saying is whether it's this club or whether it's playing cricket in India or the IPL or whatever he's not playing he's not playing at some point yeah whether you're doing television commentary or whatever after moving it comes to that if you're dominant if India is the dominant force in world cricket driving all the economics around it you'll get less so that about when when Andrew Simons and Harbazan thing this was going on just like the Indian media it became like sort of a war of countries yeah it's our man we'll take his side like if we keep going through this logic then it's been 5, 10 years 50, 70 years it's been 70 years in our country we've made a constitution there's a lot of here in the books means means everything is being shown here so we won't show the books but people have made structures so that institutionally these systems are not strengthened but are weakened and the democratic process of India now let's talk about India because this is where we are and need it and where we both practice as well as see all the racism that we see right so black lives matter as a concept needs to be applied here as well where we need to identify who are the people that are the equivalent of the black man in America which is mostly the absolute marginalised right and in our casual conversation when some like simple things like how we appear you know references are made to particular communities by our aunts and uncles when you come to a party why are you dressed like a so and so you know why are you looking like a so and so it's a very directed without considering what the lives of those people are the jobs that those people are forced to do over generations hundreds and hundreds of years no mobility or very limited mobility if you and I have been lived our lives in middle class upper middle class India as men most of us belonging to some variant of the dominant upper caste or have managed to somehow transcend the barriers of caste or whatever the case might be how do we have the empathy to be able to even explore the stories of the most sort of marginalised in society how will we understand and who are we having our conversations with also that makes a huge difference many of us the perspectives that are that we have in our lives have also been shaped by our interactions with let's say I mean our attitudes or our yeah how we think or how we look at women has been shaped by the women in our lives right I would say to large extent and then from our mothers sisters friends wives partners whatever all of that factors into what overall we how we approach or how we think about women as separate from us as part of us however the case might be same as the story when you talk about any kind of distinction based on either it's race or nationality or ethnicity or language or whatever the case might be culture even so till we don't expand the scope of our conversations if we are talking about each other then we are okay mind can influence I think one thing is expanding I think it's expanding I am saying that because it's expanding at a personal level it's not expanding at say news click is now doing a show personal level means on an individual level people are seeing what is happening conversation is happening and charcha is always the first step and it's a positive step so that means there will be some benefits but there will be some positives I am ending this show at the same time we reinforce that charcha is better in our place but when such cases such instances happen then like solid action has to be taken at the start he said at the start he said it's easier said than done now you have someone who has been covering cricket for so many years sir, how many times has it been penalized in this sport something has happened let it be penalized I am saying that mostly if you look at cases of involved crowds there is a lot of action taken on crowds it's easy, easy target yes, it happens like I said mostly in domestic cricket it's also out, in India there is no reporting you will never see it because this has become a common place like if you want to talk about Kalu or any region it's just very normal I have never heard that it has happened separately because it's become normalized here it's normal to say that but as I said it's more sensitive in the West mostly things have been involved there is a strict action that you cannot come for cricket, jail spectators for a long time recently if you see in New Zealand where that person is removed from the stadium they are not allowed to come back to watch cricket but again as Mr. Holding also said that's like just putting plaster over a sore so it won't help temporary relief for a short time whatever we are talking about it all boils down to society then things can change we are talking for a long time after this show what can change in the world around us how will you be a better person courtesy of this conversation we have had thankfully I have always been a better person always hope to improve well look obviously I think the important thing is that when you do face these stereotypes when someone is imposing these stereotypes it takes a lot there are certain professions which require a certain amount of partnership with the people that we work with so if someone is telling you the only thing you can do is correct them correct them what do you know about this friction tell them that I don't like what you are saying you are just joking it will create friction friendship will break next time the phone will not be picked up but maybe all of this leads to a better slightly more balanced perspective of the world and the world itself guys thank you so much for joining us on 575 oz what you are watching of course this is a show but apart from cricket we talked a lot about society but the point was that if we limit the cricket then I want justice to the conversation thank you so much for your time thank you for watching