 Hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer weekly Joining me as always is my co-host Tyler. What's up, buddy? How you doing? Excellent good to be back It's good to have you back Tyler. Absolutely. And today We're going to talk about Ossiarch Bone Reapers. Jesse, why am I in the player's handbook? I am credited in the player's handbook because I was one of the early consultants and I helped create fifth edition I gave him feedback throughout the process from very early on and it's in its inception way back in like 2011 I think is when I started on that project. So there you go Moral of the story is Blame Vince. Yeah, sure. Exactly. If you don't like it, it's my fault But yeah as a group of people who they brought in early to help out. Anyways, okay Also joining us tonight Hey, we're glad to have him back on the show the Lord of Death himself. It's Brendan. What's up, buddy? How you doing? Hey? Yeah formally titled through one of those Scottish land grants scams So, you know Legally binding non non legally binding actually Lord now. So, you know That's fantastic. I love it Right that coach out co tells never win another tournament rest of your life. Exactly You've got your title How dare you I just you know Show up to the local Rubicon's with the list that I wrote on an afternoon because I forgot my list or do and win it Like I like what do you what do you want from me? Sure? What's something other than death? I get it. Yeah All right, so as I said, we're gonna be talking Bone Reapers tonight in the new book But of course first we got some news What's on the table? We do is this zinchen fellas? What the heck is this thing? Yeah, it's gotta be a it's a chaos inch thing, right? saying I Assume a war cry slash under worlds Thing yeah, you know so like that that's fine 40 40 40k or war bands of some kind are our two and only options on this show I should state that if it's like some kind of chaos demon like a zinchen thing It could be both 40k and a OS it could be one of those models that that goes in both places That's also possible many many demon models crossover into both games That is very true. I need somebody to tell me if they have noticed any pattern in the text that they have right They wrote about artificial intelligence in this week's rumor article Is there any meaningful statistical correlation between the text and the image? No, does anybody know? No, all right There you go. I figured it as much, but I've been curious about that forever I would be surprised if by this point They're not just using GPT for to generate the text for those articles like sure If they've published enough of them that that language model could easily just be like write me rumor engine script for For a this type of thing and they and it could do it, right? Absolutely. It's been a it's a different show But it's been a wild week events of my you know, my former colleague was just on Ted state Ted stage The other day telling everybody we're gonna die here within our lifetimes due to super intelligence, so You're always gonna die within your lifetime like 100% accurate for well, maybe not who knows like I guess we live in a world where anything's possible But up until that point in history, that's the trick of the singularity. Yeah, come it Yeah, you're either going one of two ways, baby You got you got two options and they're both extreme. I'll take that coin flip. All right, so That's yeah, I mean cool fun zeezy magic key thing great. I want to give a quick shout out To whoever painted this I always pay attention to the painting in these rumour engines when you make it a value sketch alone It's really easy to see details, and I always feel bad for the painters We feel like I wouldn't want my work zoomed in this closely like what a nightmare I'm not Dave Caldwell. I don't I don't paint through millions of tiny dots that that are like imperceptibly small and Completely smooth to the the naked eye You got to use like an electron microscope to see his his differences in his paint But I want to give a shout out to this painter. Look at them nails Look at how great the highlighting is on those nails see that like ring around the thumbnail with a little tiny That's such a nice little touch that took that took some real care because that is gonna be Just so small. That's like a couple millimeters at most on that model. So Hey plus work whoever did that well done. You put in you put in the time, and I just want to say I see you. I See you pain Okay What's next? Yeah, we got Bixendi Preview so we have on pre-order this weekend the serif on box set with a whole bunch of goodies I think 10 of the what are they called razor dons? Raptor dons Raptor dons something something something are 10 stars warriors and a lovely slant star master I've got the cards The little little cards got the worst girls got a special edition battle tone. Hopefully gold leaf I've got a friend Shad. He's gonna gonna lose his mind if it's not gold leaf I don't think I ever put the gold leaf ones in the in the boxes. Oh, sorry. I'll cover your fetish It's gonna take a hit Yeah, looks like a good bot wrapped it on there we go. I love those models. I gotta admit apart from the little The little idiots that are writing them we could just get rid of those. We don't need those The little idiots that are writing them Fantastic, I mean I will say Look I like a skink. I like a skink or do okay now don't get me wrong at certain points in history They've been annoying model wise, but I don't hold that against them. I've all points model That's not true. Trust me. There were points back in fantasy battles days where they were not it. Okay, that's fine That's fine And there were scumners and screens and that was their job And there was points at that where they were actually super good It just it comes and goes There was a pretty awesome Mordheim warband full of skinks that was it was pretty brutal Because they could go to like bow skill six if memory serves a crazy high ridiculous number. It's like elvish bow skills. Anyways Yeah, it's a really great box, you know looks super cool Obviously a whole bunch of Sarah von leeks have happened as far as the book goes. I know I hey woe is problem Yeah So I guess we can all say thanks. Miniac. I we appreciate you leaking it out there as he is now to blame for all leeks as we know But you know, we will talk about the seraphon battle tome in a couple weeks Whenever we would we get to it because we're gonna be obviously delayed. These are releasing so fast We can't keep up. Yeah, because next week we have to do soul blight Okay And then the week after that we'll do seraphon so it is coming we'll get to the little dino dino's we will we will have them But we got we got to clear our backlog as it well here is it we're here first I never thought it'd be in a position where they're releasing so many battle tomes. We can't keep up on the show. That's that's wild Yeah, I can't remember me about it It's gonna be the most intense period we've ever had. I mean, I don't I know we had like 2019 or 18 We had teen was pretty close 13 battle tomes. Yeah in a year, but Jesus and this this window here. It's been crazy Yeah, I'm shoving them all in before obviously 40k 10th, right because then prepare now We're packing this for the crossing when we arrive in Iraq as things will be very different You know, like it's gonna be a dry dry desert of releases for quite a while for us And that's fine Okay Yeah, cool. What else we got? Got warmer first schedule that released that this week. Yeah, so this is happening 29th of April through the 1st of May We've got One 40,000 on Saturday kicking off. So now they're gonna unveil all the models for 10th edition there The whole box. It's full of plastic. They are tiny toys that look like tiny people Half of them are space Marines probably I'm just guessing because I watched a trailer and half of those people were space Marines the other half look like bugs But like not actual bugs But kind of starship troopers and kind of aliens like what if you took those two concepts and smashed them together? You know, I can't wait. Yep. I can hear the excitement in your voice. Absolutely Underworlds war cry Middle-Earth for Saturday and then Sunday. We got age of Sigmar at noon Heresy I saw the warmer the old world. I don't know exactly if they announced anything We're gonna get a real announcement about the old world. Is it actually happening? We're gonna get a real announcement about a real announcement. That's what it'll be Yeah, because you know, I didn't put it in the news Because I just didn't honestly because it wasn't anything I refuse to support this non news drip feed they're doing Right, like Josh a just asked in the chat. How do you feel about the re-release of Bretonnia Warhammer fantasy battle models? Like I already I have I have so many Painted Bretonians like it's beyond reason. I still have my old Square-based Bretonian army. I mean I have four full lances of knights like full lances like 12 deep lances I think I have 84 nights painted total, you know, I have yeah, exactly. I have all my peasants all my heroes All my Pegasus nights. I still have a dozen Pegasus nights on sprue. I still have an uncracked old new inbox of questing nights and What were the better ones like whatever the whatever the best real lights. Thank you. Yeah, couldn't you remember look at that? good memory and You know like so I still got a bunch of that crap. I'm happy. I'll apparently be able to sell it to somebody now It's the time I can strike while the iron's hot. I guess Like I think they're bad models now is my honest answer Like I'm sorry that that's probably gonna make some people very sad at the time They were they were pretty nice but But like honestly those nights like if you hold one of those nights up to the new chaos night It was released. I mean, it's it's really not great It really shows its age like those are Aged sculpts certainly they have a classic design to them and aesthetic, but man like Just there's a lot that you would not design like that. They lack cut-ins They lack sharp edges because the molds were very weak at the time with what they could actually model in plastic Everything is chunky. Everything is round the chain mail looks bad like it's just you know Honestly, my answer is I'm sad that they are just reboxing and re-releasing that stuff like hey great My whole army still valid. I can just rock up and play it and And half the appropriate figs on probably basically the right bases I get the article was like maybe some bases will be larger, but we're not telling you what and I would have loved to see what Modern sculpting could have done with those. I feel like it's just kind of it's it's I Don't read it as a good sign In my mind if the answer is just we resurrected those molds Fra that were old when Warhammer fantasy battle died and are gonna put them into production again Rather than help something new that tells me we're not putting a whole lot of funding into this little bad boy over here right like that's Seems a little suspicious. Yeah, that's not great in my mind. Anyways, that's how I feel about the article I'd complicated emotions reading it because yeah, I can't imagine how cool Yeah, you know karst it you said it exactly right that that's so perfect I love my 90s models, but not looking to buy 90s models today. That's so right sure That's so right. That's exactly correct. Like I respect those things. I love those things what they are There's a nostalgia to them. I I don't want to like buy that stuff today. If so if you put that on a shelf, I'd be like What is this? Sure, right? So any who I Have complicated feelings that was a long rant Yeah, are we but none of these articles or anything not a single article They've released on the old world has basically said anything Except it's square bases and some of them would be slightly larger and also yes We'll probably have the armies you expect and here's kiss live like that's it. I could it's two sentences I could wrap up every one of their articles Right. Yeah And some things Sure sure So I want to know if you're gonna get a real article Like if you're gonna talk about something and if what they're gonna like that that's what I want to know Is there gonna be a real thing here? Because everything else right now as it's just been like hey, right All right on a more positive note. I'm gonna insert a shout out here Vince So I watched the Warhammer plus What's that called black Talon animated series the other day? That thing was awesome Like I really enjoyed it Need black Talon and her her black Talon squad They had nurgle features obviously that that hit a sweet spot They kind of got into the Chamber of Awakening Watched a little bit. I haven't finished the latest episode Featuring soul blight, but it looks quite good so far. I don't know. I'm just really enjoying it It's like the first time I'm actually getting into some a OS lore getting a getting intrigued by By the setting that we play this game. It's very rare for me Yeah, just one event if nobody's watched it and you've got one or plus check it out or Interested in getting it. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Nice nice We guys have you guys seen it? I have not I don't have I don't have Warhammer plus But I love a good animated show good animated fantasy show. So, you know, it was it like legitimately. I thought it was really good Yeah, it's awesome. Put it on Netflix and I'll watch it But I don't know beyond that so yeah, it's a good question. All right, cool, let's see Boy, oh boy. Do we have some bad performance tonight? Is that what's going on? Oh? Yeah, we're dropping frames left and right and stuff. Isn't that fun? I wonder why that's happening Good times. I'll play with it at any rate Cool What else wait, so that's that's all the news I believe right that's a man cool buddy Okay, well then with that Let's go to some pick of the week Brendan start us off. What do you got with everybody? What do you want to share? So my pick was organized My I think that as a community that you should take some time out of your day Find something that you like that you really enjoy Doesn't have to be Warhammer Just get a group of like-minded individuals and go do it if there's a way that you really want to play Warhammer You know a thousand points fifteen hundred points put on an RTT Organize a dinner with your club mates put together a hobby nights You know maybe like gardening go go run something go organize some events that Benefits yourself and the community that you're in I love it organized Love it Fantastic could say a lot more about that in other contexts, but I'll be good What are you talking about Tyler Tyler, how about you? What do you want to share with everybody? The Dias cast had mr. Malik on hi where it was an awesome bad rep with the new Soul Blight and Ocearck so check that out enjoyed that battle report and Saga dice Rob Had Matias on and they talked about the new OBR as well So we're getting into tonight Matias is a very thoughtful guy Been kicking butt was scabin for a while. His original love was OBR. So it's cool to hear his thoughts on the Bellatom Very nice Alright for myself I have already included the link down in the show notes. Everybody's everybody's thing will be included down there But I included a video for from play on tabletop. They did a really nice video about resin beast and The like I get interviewed in there along with a lot of the other judges a lot of the people who participated It's a really great miniature painting contest at At Yes, thank you. Yeah, and it was just a lot of they filmed the whole thing and cut together a really awesome video about the whole experience People went through participating in it. I want people to check it out I want to see a lot more people bring some some resin beast entries next year. So yeah, go go check it out It's super awesome. It's linked down below. So thanks to the play on tabletop guys for For organizing that and doing the whole thing. It was really great and it was an absolute pleasure They made it real easy. So yeah, good stuff All right, gentlemen Let's uh with that Shall we transition? To some hoppy time And what what are you working on? He asked knowing the answer. Yeah Working on my warp knob whole vortex It just doesn't pay to do to the nice things Brendan Yeah, so for for those that don't know rancathon three last year part of the What we were doing was that every dollar donated you could you could put one of those dollars worth of votes Towards picking an army that I had to hobby up and play at a tournament So I am in the process of hobbying the army up I will be playing in a tournament At the end of April here had to be a GT specifically, you know a two-day event So they don't have a paint requirement, which is good because I'm not gonna get the army done in time So I'm gonna play the army and I'm going to I'm going to continue my obligation and finish it one one way or the other but We're we're painting scathing. Yeah Welcome Welcome to the dark side, baby. Well, right If I get fun, no one's allowed to have fun, which is why I'm bringing storm friends Again, it's where you've went wrong again. I get it get a hundred and twenty clan rats on the table 1020 gutter runners, you know some sensor bears some rat ogres you want to mix Oh, we're gonna cornucopia of models just exploding out. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I I want to lay down 12d6 twos by twos rend one damaged two shots Across the board sure all day and making my opponent go. I'm sorry. They do what? Uh Good stuff terrible. Uh, well, I'm glad to see on board even if it is with My my least favorite build of the army It's still good to have you along on the on the as part of the the the dread horde here All right, enjoy it either. So, you know, you and I both don't like this build Tyler what about you would have been working on Yeah, I'm getting close God five black kings to blight lords few remaining bits and bobs of some other pieces Got a tree Got to finish bases and I'll be good to go for next week's team GT Colorado clan carnage I'm pumped up for it. I'm actually making out to a GT this year. It's gonna go to Colorado I'm going to Colorado. Wow. You're traveling Traveling to a tournament Brendan for Warhammer for Warhammer still TBD on Wisconsin, Wisconsin is a long-ass way as a way It's very difficult for me to get there apparently So check it with me in a couple of years. Maybe I maybe maybe I can get there and come see you I've got to give a shout out to a lot of shots my friend Linus. He surprised me as a bit of a birthday surprise He's very nice to me Vince. You could you could work on being nice to me again You were you have been nice to me in the past Not not necessarily recently, but so maybe maybe work a little bit on that You know, I do show up to your show a lot. I try to right? Yeah, I try to be helpful Yeah, cool. So he painted up a great unclean one and it's amazing. I got a dude Gonna do it. Yeah, I put it up on Twitter Scrub me Wells apparently that's that's something that's a thing and Yeah, I got a dude doing a handstand probably farting in the winds for everybody's pleasure. It was amazing I love that model. I I'm so into Nurgle. It's a little frightening. I need to get it like If you find something you love go with it, there's nothing wrong with that. I don't I don't know what's happening. Yeah, it's it's very strange That's great for me I Finished up this model that I had been doing. He's all done with his base and everything What's that? That's the this is the ranger from Maniacs Kickstarter and Okay, so he's got a nice little Enchanted forest base and they'll be there'll be a video about that and some other things with him in the future So he's all done and then I have started working on this girl right here, which is the Morgan From journeyman miniatures So she's just early doors just started working on her But I'm real excited about her. I've been wanting to paint her for a long time and she's gonna be She's gonna be a great time So I'm just we're gonna make there's gonna be some videos about her as well Like it's gonna be like I told like I said with people I'm I'm I'm in a whole new hobby Renaissance over here. We're we're we're just gonna have some fun on the channel We're gonna be we're gonna be doing some some awesome awesome things So look forward to it and some some videos coming up That model from journeyman is absolutely gorgeous journeyman miniatures. I mean check them out there. They're Really really wonderful if you like larger-scale stuff and you're looking to do anything you sort of display competition things Okay gentlemen with that Shall we turn to tonight's? actual topic VR Okay, it's really I was really worried that like 11th hour you're gonna turn it into let's talk about scaven again No, I wouldn't do that to you. All right, let's talk about the Aussie arc bone. Yes, you would I think yeah, I think Tom and I need to get together and protest the serif on show I think that needs to be a thing that either of you participate Yeah, yeah, you just figured out buddy. Sure. Well, technically that would be your show because next week It's light and a week after that is serif on All right There's some mental preparation to the stomach three hours minimum three hours of the nonsense. All right Okay So let's talk about some some bone reapers Let's talk about them bone daddies. Here we go. Okay First off I will say this book feels like OBR on The versimilitude point. I think they did a pretty Pretty good job like yep that feels like the army it is Grindy it is, you know implacable. It is a sort of military force with a strong Hierarchical command and control structure like yeah, and that all comes through in the mechanics. So good good work there Like I really do think they they brought this book up to speed Um, we got rid of the stupid pre 3.0 mechanic and now just made them the proper master of command points Like mm-hmm. Yep, they sure are They sure are Which again, it's fine. I'm okay with that. That's yeah, that is what they should be I don't have an issue with that build like that is correct They're playing around very well in the commandability space, and I'm glad to see them building out the structures For this as we previously mentioned as we'll see like the different ways all like you're gonna be using so many different command points honestly Remembering everything you need to do will be the challenge There is so many things you should be activating depending on the the forces you have That's your big challenge I do think you still feel the lack of units in this army Both in the amount of points that everything costs like you feel a little light like things are right that like It's hard to thank God. Thank God. No, I like yeah I mean, it's a very strong army like if it was on the cheap side We don't it would be way too strong. Yeah, I feel like it's maybe a little bit on the expensive side But not like crazy. It feels like there should be like one more unit or Something like that, but you also feel just the lack of like diversity In the the force like for something that's supposed to be a traditional Mixed arms military force. It's like it's missing some components of that right It's may be a chariot Sure, like yeah, like a harrying chariot force or archers or something like that Like you have the heavy cab you don't have like light skirmish cab or whatever like it doesn't Whatever and it's it's not it's not the end of the world But I would it's one of those armies where I could have seen them really going a long way with just like two more units Right We got store limited edition bone shaper. Yeah, yeah, exactly Got another hero. This is if there's one habit GW has that I would love for them to just can in 4.0 It's the book and a hero thing. I Don't need a new hero with every book. I just don't like if we've got enough They're gonna if they're gonna do that Vince They need to make the heroes like impactful like make it so that like it opens up a completely different meaningful build for the army That that centers around that hero. Yep completely agreed like Have it be some very meaningful thing to the overall way the army plays if you include that person or something You know not just Hey, it's another wizard, but slightly different or it's another priest But slightly different or it's another melee foot hero, but slightly different right like as as we have tended to get You know, there hasn't been a lot of those guys that have really opened up a lot of space mm-hmm the ones that occur to me are like The the arch revenant or whatever he is for Sylvanath when it first came out Because he was such an interesting buff to kernoths that didn't happen And so he kind of opened up that strategy in a big way, right? He became popular, but most of them don't do that Right Yeah, so anyways, yeah, the gladiatrix might be another good example She certainly is like was straight busted on her points when she initially came out. So, yeah She was like free effectively Yeah, and there's the internal balance is decent But you know the thing with this army and the nature of it is there's just gonna be some Few units that just show up in most lists like most lists are gonna have a small cadre of units And I don't know if that's a bad thing or a good thing, but it's a thing Yeah, Melna. How do you feel about the what your expectation on this Friday? It feels really similar to to what it was when the book first came out Everything is basically like this roughly 200 ish point slot, right? You know your your more tech garter 150 your death writers are 170, but then everything else after that is like 200 to 240 and That's it yeah, and You basically take your 200 point chunks and you just try and build build it all slightly differently and Yeah, I I think Vince really nailed it in terms of what what it feels like we're missing like the oss effectors neat You know, it's a hero who's designed specifically to augment Kind of a weird a range of units I Don't know why you'd use him in a list that includes harvesters, but sure we'll make him buff harvesters But like like that's fine, but you really feel like you're gonna end up shoehorned into Whatever the like the dominant build is gonna end up being You know, it's it's gonna kind of like what the book ended up being which was this is the build That's good right now like four catapults like that was the way you did it for a while cool, and then it was two units of nine Stalkers in bounty hunters cool. Yeah, absolutely worst. Oh, yeah, it's We're good everybody. We don't need to see that anymore. We're good. Let's let's move on You know where wherever this settles it feels like it's gonna settle in like this is the most efficient way to run this army There you go. Yeah Yeah, and I think that is sort of a function of both the limited number of units, but also just the The nature of like you said everything being basically the same points cost, right? So it's just not that much you can play around with you're not making choices to be like I'll take like you're like What you did with the storm fiends? I'm gonna go super elite and unusual versus having a ton of little bodies or something, right? Like those choices are on the table. It's just everything kind of slots in and out for itself Yeah, and I think this is exactly the same problem that iron jaws has where there's such a limited diversity of Models that you just end up going like okay of like the five or six boxes that I can buy That's what they are and and like I don't know it's Like I I really wish we'd gotten a unit of archers or unit of chariots or light cav or a big stupid scary monster or Just just anything to kind of open the book up a little bit wider like I'm I'm thrilled right that like The the emphasis that 3.0 has had is presenting itself and it's making some of the units that were just Units you never took Something that you at least think about in the form of more gas and a mortis guard Like a mortis guard are good like they like they they do damage. They're good They have a better armor save than everything else like You know six months ago, I told like, you know, what do I build them as you build them as stockers? Don't even think about it. Take those extra bits and sell them to someone who needs big shield conversions like right so Yeah, seem like about everything's yeah, everything was pretty interesting to me like some will see more play than others But yeah, they did a pretty good job of making about You know every war scroll reasonably interesting sufficiently interesting. Sure. You may not see it everything show up, but yeah What are you guys thinking in terms of? lobby, I know a tier S tier B tier all that When rate or like to me, it's probably it's gonna be that a tier space. I think it's a very strong book. I Think it has probably a high floor and a high ceiling Like definitely general ship is going to matter with this battle tones. Some players will get more than others You'll win by general ship. You'll lose if you get outplayed. I think in a number of times Yeah, but what do you guys think Vince as far as like overall power and where you think this book will end up? Be be plus somewhere in there probably 50% to 48 to 50% and I think it'll it'll under hit slightly because the nature of I think it's Compliant I do think there is a relatively decent skill floor and and there's now that being said it'll have a low meta representation probably right Just because I don't think this book is such that it's gonna like It's not gonna be the Petrifex elite season of late 2019 when they're sure You know bone daddy's jumped up to like a 10% meta representation for some reason a lot of those people have sold off That army or put it away forever or something like that. I don't think this there's nothing in here. That's gonna bring it back, right? The the the long Petrifex winter So, you know, it's not that What do you feel in Mellick as far as where this will shake out overall power level etc? I'm in the same space as Vince It's probably gonna be in that be be plus area if the meta moves to being a like Exclusively combat oriented space. This is this is an S tier army There are limited to no army as they can go toe-to-toe with them in just a straight honest to God Fist fight in a phone booth with the the board is, you know, like like the board that you're playing on is 30 inches Cool, you don't have a ton of units. It doesn't matter. You can't do anything. I'm where I need to be my speed doesn't have an impact You know, so so like there are some missions that they're gonna sit down and they're just gonna go Okay, let's let's go. We're gonna fight right here and Good luck doing anything Yeah, but you're also going to come into situations Where they like they are going to just get beaten Hmm, you know the Like the hero like the heroes are very important, right? Obviously, you know same as same as most armies You know if you can if you can pull them apart or you can play wide or you can Put yourself in a position where you can apply overwhelming force to one edge of this They don't have the ability to react very quickly with most of with most of the units that you're gonna take Right, right. That's what I was feeling. Yeah with this battle tone that yeah, there's a number of limitations like healthy constraints with this book and Yeah, starting off with there's not a lot of range projection I mean even I'd be curious you guys opinions on the crawlers and we get into them later But I like I wasn't blown away by the crawlers, which I was very happy to not be blown away But that's by the crawlers. I think they're playable the I mean there's rate limiters on command abilities They're growing number of ways in the game to turn off command abilities I mean starting with overpowering stench with Nurgle that was kind of the og of a was 3.0 You know, there are growing number of ways to turn off wards the yeah, this the army has a number of healthy constraints It's very much it seems very much on brand though. It's incredibly efficient Like it does save stacking really well. It's got multiple ways potentially to minus to debuff you minus to hit Reducing your wards, etc Minus three to charge fully than 12 right all all these certain things they can do So I'm sure there'll be a lot of you know, some games will happen where it will feel terrible playing against OBR Sure, right because you just won't be doing much you won't be getting through the save You still be blending through you etc. But in general, yeah, I I really like how this battle some came out Like I think the variety as far as the constraints, right? We would need some more board scrolls There's a lot of viable variety within it The points If that's gonna keep a lot of this in check, maybe they're too high. I certainly don't think they're too low Like they're they're they're pretty stout some of these. So yeah, really really positive on this battle zone personally Okay, cool. Well, let's get into it All right, let's talk allegiance abilities first First up ranks unbroken by descent They don't take battle shock tests. Cool. All right, great. So they still have that I mean, most of the game wants to ignore this mechanic. So I guess cool It does it is interesting because there is a rise of a lot of stuff rides the rice chicken There's a lot of there's a there's a rise of a lot of stuff in the in the meta that shuts off inspiring presence And it's funny how all of those things are just complete blank Points against this army, which is funny like when that originally happened it was versus now and All of the tech that's out there that you can spend points on to do that thing and then what that ends up Becoming a total whiff against this army is is is interesting and fun how that ability's changed Personally seems appropriate like I get it why they why they would have that sure hyper elites and yeah you don't want to be losing ten more tech guards a something like Yeah, and then A deathless warriors they get a 6f word. Okay, cool. Yeah still a death army got it. Okay cool cool cool And then Natterite weapons if the unmodified hit roll for an attack made with a melee weapon by a friendly Aussie arc That's funny. I'll start. That's a funny typo there Aussie arc There we go Boner appears unit is six that attack scores two hits on the target instead of one I think we want to save over each hit this video has no effect on tax made by mounts unless noted otherwise And then relentless discipline. Oh boy. Oh boy So this is our new version of here of this Okay So You You get a bunch of extra command points. These are cumulative You get one extra command point if you've got three units or more You get two extra command points if there are five or more And you get three extra command points if there are seven or more Aussie arc Boundary for units on the battlefield so Brendan how many command points do you get if you start starting the game? Okay And you have eight units on the battlefield So are you going first or second in the battle round? Let's say just for sake of argument. You're going first So you'd get your your one for starting Your generals live you're two and then you pick up another six. So you're starting the round at eight. Okay? Very good Thank you that engineering degree really paying off. There you go. Very good I just wanted to make that real and and say the number for everybody Yes, for some reason I noticed my my systems dropping some frames here and there buddy I don't know why it's happening the audio is like crystal clear and coming through as near as I can tell But for some reason it wants to get it's want to drop frames tonight on the video And I'm trying to like troubleshoot that on the side while we're while we're talking. That's right At any rate Tyler, what do you think about eight command points, huh? Yeah, I mean like you said at the top dude, this is the army to do it if you're gonna do it and I'll yeah, I generally like the design of it. You got to have seven to get your your max You should be losing units as the game goes on at least some units where that number will go down as you get deeper into a game And yeah, I'm a fan. I Mean it it seems it seems a little nuts Like if you just look at it like in a vacuum or something, right? Or like your your baseline understanding of this game, but I don't I think it's fine. Yeah, I agree. I Think I honestly I think it's fine It's it's yeah, it's a lot of command points, but your question might rightfully be but Vince what are we gonna do with all these command points? Well, don't worry. We've got you covered. I was so happy to see this Okay, I really was that's not that's not me being funny at all because I really Lombasted when we added just a bunch of Nonsense Let's try that. Sorry. Okay. Um, when we when we Got a bunch of like nonsense heroic actions and unusual things that I in the Gitz book that I was like this should be A Part of the like OBR better be the command point sort of masters, right? That's that's that's what we should be doing here using like they Should be using command abilities and and having command and control in this really unique way and guess what? Hey, that's what we got So I was very pleased because we got even the bigger version of this it does make them very as we'll see I mean they are a super command ability army But as you mentioned there are plenty of ways to shut those off in the game And that is a bad time for them for sure So look out for that Okay, I'm trying to decide if I made it better or worse or had no change I think I I think I made it better or worse or had no change with the frames, but we'll see okay, if You command an osteo bone repress army you can use osteo commands in addition to any other command abilities You can use osteo commands are command abilities that either appear on the war scroll of a unit that has the osteo bone Reapers keyword or are included in the table below in addition The restriction that you cannot use the same command ability more than once in the same phase Does not apply to osteo commands Designers note you can use the same osteo command more than once the same phase as long as that command is issued by a model It's not already issued a command in that phase and is received by a unit that has not already received a command in that phase So we can reissue the same commands, but as per usual you have the same You have the same challenge to Like or the same basic rules in place, right? It's not like one person can just be like bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang and issue four different commands in a row Which is gonna matter when we get to the leader of this particular Faction and and and look at his particular war scroll Okay, so we've got six commands here You can see him on the screen. I don't need to read him verbatim Brendan What do you give me give me your rundown of these commands? How you using these? What do you like? What don't you like? Talk to me about the ACR commands The only one I don't like is unflinching coordination. That shouldn't be a command ability the The pick a hero to fight and then another unit to fight is on a lot of heroes war scrolls. This is This is command point inflation and And needs to be treated as such so all of the rest of them are great, right? You get a Retreat in charge Awesome amazing. Yeah, you get plus three to your move characteristic You can't use both of them, right? You know because they're both movement phase ones Or you get re-knit constructs. These are all your movement phase ones and you know, that's just return D3 Wounds worth of models or keel D3. Okay, cool awesome choices in the movement phase fantastic Right counter strike is used in the enemy charge phase. It gives you You know just one to wound a lot of your wound profiles on your generic stuff or garbage So, you know, that's that's important because that's in the charge phase specifically so that you can beef up your Your guys in the combat phase because when you get to the combat phase You still have access to auto attack all defense But you also have access to bludgeon which is improve your rend characteristic your melee weapons by one So here you go. Everybody's rend 2 now and Then you also have a add one to ward roles in the shooting or the combat phase Cool All these are awesome. You can put the right units in the right places to have them doing the right thing at the right time You know the thing the thing I really miss You know was The like the early edition of of Ocearic bonereapers where you could dump all of your relentless discipline points into one unit And you're like this combat right here is the most important thing in the world Yeah, and we're gonna and we're gonna shield wall and we're gonna be Rerolling wounds and we're gonna be rerolling hits and we're gonna be plus one to save and plus one to hit and Ignoring your rend Sounds like such a fun time it cost me eight discipline points to do all of this You know but but that's just you know, that's just me nitpicking all sorts of different things like this is this is great This is fantastic You have access to all of your regular core ones You know as we go through the war scrolls, you'll see the Ocear commands that are on on war scrolls summer Okay, some are awesome But you your whole army has access to all of these different choices and all of these different options and when employed correctly, you're going to Be everything your opponent doesn't want you to be that's gonna be great Yeah, nice. Okay. It's good stuff just to say just in case So the regular command abilities in the game redeploy etc Obviously, they can now use them, but they cannot spam them like you cannot do Cannot issue all that attack multiple times That's one distinction, right with the OBR ones you can but you cannot with the regular ones So just to say that just in case Yeah, big fan of all this good stuff okay, I By the way in digging into it this seems to be a problem with OBS right now Because I'm looking at my I actually was like diagnosing my connection and it's everything says over here Oh, you have an excellent connection right now. It's very strong like all of my speeds are fine So it's got to be something going on with with stream labs Anyways, so sorry everyone. I don't know what to say there Except that that's out of my control Okay So I want to I want to dive into this one one quick Because there's one thing you said that I want to put a finer point on and that is for impenetrable ranks okay Impenetrable ranks because you said in the shooting phase the combat phase, but that's not actually what impenetrable ranks Does you have to be the target and your eyes? Yeah Exactly the trick there being That you can use this command ability when a friendly OBR unit is picked as the target of an attack Period Meaning you can use this out of phase Right, so because one of the good ways that used to be used to be to sort of beat up on OBR Was to hit them out of face Right where they didn't have access to like their tilt shields and stuff like that right you could you add hero face fighting or other kind of nonsense you could you could basically catch them with their pants down as it Were their bony pants down, right? hmm and That's not the case here impenetrable ranks, which is a very powerful ability anybody who's ever played against night haunt and had them Discorporate oh, yeah, right knows how powerful that is The trick is Incorporate or whatever it's called their plus one word save is limited to the shooting or the or the Combat phase you can't just do it anytime so you can still hit night haunt out of sequence, right? So I thought it was interesting that they made the choice here to just be like not not dog anytime go for it like Go nuts and it's very potent. It's a very very very powerful ability now obviously it is a trade-off against all at attack and all at defense and all the rest of that because it's Combat phase ability and if it's being done in that phase, which is the majority of how it's gonna get used, right? Like let's be honest majority of time it will be shooting or or Or combat, but it does have that versatility so that's cool Okay, yeah Yeah, just a neat little neat little thing there that that caught my eye So any who? Good on OBR, I guess you get to cheat in every phase. So congratulations on that Okay, let's talk about some command traits gentlemen Okay As per usual I'm not going through all of these Because it's like I'm not reading this many things you can all see them on the screen y'all can read I believe in you Uh Brendan, what's your hot pick you got one? What's your hot? I I? Diversionary tactics of track three from charge rules for enemy units that attempt to charge within 12 inches of this general Bonoboom is there like there's some other choices on this list that I actually think are interesting Don't ever percent. Yes, I Think this is actually a pretty good list But But man that one is strong Holy crap Yeah, that is a very strong ability like if you've ever played against Tyler did you ever play against? The old Nurgle Subfaction that was out of what was that Brendan remember the one that came out of like the monster sarkanum? I'll take you one step further. You ever play against the corn demon prince. Yeah, sure Yeah, of course that one was a straight half thing. I was gonna use this as like The That the that old Nurgle one whatever was it was the one under the big George world monster guy I cannot remember the name of it to termic and Tomerkin's horde. Oh Yeah, okay, so anyways that army had like I think a pretty like an army wide ability where it caused like neg one or Neg two to charge something. Okay. I know yeah, I never played instant. Yeah. Yeah, and it was insane Yeah, trying to charge that army just because of like neg one or neg two Right, it was so hard This creates such a ridiculous bubble around your general of just not being able to charge So Yeah, wow I don't know what to say to that other than okay Cool. It's very seems seems good. Seems good. I'm glad it's not army wide At least it's just the bubble around the general. So I guess kill the general And it goes kind of back to what you were saying Brendan, right? Like if they if you run up against like some magic force that has the ability to just kind of be like boom boom boom Okay, that guy's dead now. Yeah, well about that Sure and and you're not null myriad or something, right? Yeah. Yeah, hmm, which I I mean I Don't think there will be enough magic to make no myriad worth it the choice But we'll we'll get there when we get to some factions Yeah, that's in that yeah ignore net and modifiers to save rolls mighty Arcosian Have you say that I ignored negative modifiers several for tax attack this general? So you can really go ham on a leech Cavalos Get it to a two plus ignoring rent and Potentially a three up wards even I noticed in terms of the various combinations that you could pull off in this battle tone So that's a that's a really nice pinning piece anvil type pinning piece that you could do as a annoying distraction But yeah, it's good list like you said did a lot of I feel we would be remiss. I'll go ahead and pick show of superiority It do you like total eclipse? I know I don't well How about constantly on total eclipse, but it only works on a five-up so it's kind of this weird Better than worse than total eclipse and it's also funny because you can't plan on it You can still try and then hope they don't get it But it is again just table-wide if your generals on the battlefield you have like a 33% total eclipse on all the time yeah We had a battle some recently that had a sub faction that did this and it's escaping me What it was too many battle terms recently, but basically a sub faction rule did this yeah, it wasn't this strong It wasn't it wasn't table all the time if this character exists, but yes, there was So I mean yeah, those are the three that jump out at me, right? So Yep, and like and like that's bonkers because there's like two other on here that are better worthwhile Yeah, sure Uh Like dark acolyte is very strong and aura of sterility is very strong I just don't think crafted from beast bone is actually the I think that's the only one that's a miss Because I've played with those kind of effects before like there's a model that has that by default in slanash And let me tell you what it's really terrible Also your general in a lot of cases who could take this isn't going to necessarily be fighting and in every turn of the game So it's not gonna kick it on fast enough to where it's actually doing anything Yeah Yeah, I mean you're absolutely right I mean dark acolyte whenever you can turn spells into non interactive things It's quite powerful and boy. Oh boy. Is that gonna be really relevant Brendan when we get to the endless spells? Yep Kicking out one or two of those endless spells In a cannot be unbound fashion they can be impactful real fast Real fast. So yeah dark acolyte and then aura of sterility like again against shooting armies It's obviously incredibly huge penalties in a big giant bubble So mines one hit and wound and and wound being the yeah the really really important Stuff going on there. I mean like that just uters Everybody who doesn't rely on more wounds to do their damage That's the only problem with aura of sterility is a lot of people in the game still rely on like mortals to do their damage and shooting mm-hmm Okay, cool RT facts split into two tables OBR heroes and mortis and heroes But we have a six total Or sorry seven total. I apologize. There are four in the in the mortis and hero section Eight total I can't read my own freaking thing. I'm sorry There's eight. I know there's eight. I know how to read and count forgive. I don't have an engineering degree Sorry, I have a philosophy degree. So counting today is really hard for me. Brendan could do it earlier very easily for me It's tough. Mm-hmm. There's eight artifacts. Um Brendan hit me which pick you pick one from each year on this one if you like since we got Oh man one so so from your From your general heroes. I I think I think the general heroes. They're all good. A load of saturation is is pretty scary Especially if you need that general to be very very alive Yeah Adding one to your ward roles is never bad right and Then off of your generic mortis and heroes like the best artifact is the lumen side But it's got to go on the soul reaper. So hard skip I'd probably say my favorite out of this one's the artisan's key the bone shaper is going to Be one of those heroes that you're gonna find yourself taking almost always almost no matter what A three up to be able to heal twice is a real, you know Insult the injury situation to to some some opponents To stalkers back to mortis guard back. Yeah, pretty good. Yeah That's that goth is our cartouche Inspector only add one of whom rolls to tax me with melee weapons by friendly OBR units holy with a nine Sounds good to me Pretty great. It's nice bubble and get you Get you on twos and twos on a lot of stuff on your on your elite Things or twos and threes got catacros with his big old bubble from a certain command ability coming up Yeah, I'm a big fan. I really like the alice vector to two spells fairly cheap. Yeah Okay, I suspect you're just one cast. It's even one cast thought he was to cast. All right What am I thinking? I'm thinking of soul mason. That's it. That's it. All right Who used to be the delivery system for the goth is our cartouche? Oh That's right. Yeah, I suspect or 120 140 Anyway, we'll come to 120. Yeah Yeah, the other one I think worth mentioning here is the helm of tyranny. It's a very small range effect But it's obviously a very powerful effect any time in the game You are shutting off inspiring presence and you know the the kicker of making extra models flea is certainly Not to be understated Especially if you get into elite models that people are relying on inspiring presence to keep around and you know If even one flea suddenly d3 more of those elite models flea Those effects have always had really outsized impacts on things like Blight kings or something like that, right? Like, okay. Well, you're shut off One guy runs suddenly three guys run. It's like, whoa Yeah, that unit just suddenly explodes, right? Like it's it's a massive massive swing We got a Got a certain unique hero with with minus two braver. We'll get into later. Sure pairs nicely with this. So, yeah Yeah, that's that's a good shout. Yep um frugam the My answer would be I don't know and it probably requires an FAQ if you want my read off the top of it He's asking what happens if I try if I have one command point left and try to issue command and they roll the five up Like that fails, but does that unit count is issuing a command then? Do you lose the command point? Like what are the implications of that? Right is the question And my answer is I don't know Uh, because it's not in the text um, so Probably an FAQ question. Clearly you fail to issue that command Specifically, but I don't know I don't know what then happens chances are that counts They'll probably answer with you count as having issued, but you don't blow the command point or something like that Um, just so you can't then turn and try it again Right on a different unit because otherwise you could just keep doing it Until you got through which wouldn't make any sense Okay cool Uh spells This lore is awesome. Every single one of these is good. Yep. Yeah Yep, I mean, I mean you you want to you want to take us through kind of how you're thinking about the spells here, Brendan Hit me with hit me with some spell stuff So one of the one of the really great things is for 160 points you can take a unnamed hero Who knows the entire lore is a two cast two unbind and then can also potentially get a third cast on a two up Um, yeah So, you know that that feels close to automatic Yeah, you know arcane is 370 is a three caster and knows the full lore Um, right you have an array of spells. You have something that takes your exploding weapons to a five up Awesome, uh, you have uh, you the protector wizard spell of protection and a gas which was reworded to be less insane Awesome Four up against mortal wounds awesome and not just for like two specific units um The like it's the whole army now has has accessed that spell. So that was awesome Uh drain vitality somehow got better Uh minus one to hit and minus one to save for an enemy unit cool And and hold on and add an 18 inch range Which is what sets it apart like every other time you see this spell because we've seen it's like 12 Exactly. There's lots of versions of this spell out there, but they're all 12 inches These guys just get the don't they're just dunking on everybody with the 18 inch range So i'm sorry just go ahead that that is the part that jumped out of me so strong That eight and a six six to cast that thing. Yep. Yeah Yeah, um, you know mortal contracts so a game long potential free d3 mortal wounds, you know for for out the whole game and then The last spell in here soul release is one of the most unusual spells i've ever seen um cast on a five Enemy reserve and enemy summoned units cannot be set up within 12 inches of the caster We've never Seen something like that right? Like you can you can use that to nullify Part of the board Basically preventing your opponent from bringing reserves in or bring them down to try and You know like this is this is anti beast of chaos tech, you know, this is This is anti gravesite tech like you You can't you can't do anything about this like it's just here. I am um, you know particularly with a caster like negash where you can just Boom, I'm here and you can't bring anything down near me to to tie me up that I don't want to be tied up with yeah, um I don't know like that Yeah, super cool lore Super cool lore It's it's such a fascinating spell and I love that by the way It's it's funny to me that we've taken this long to start playing in this space Because it this as soon as you read this didn't this feel like something that should have existed years ago right I had I had to look up to be like Is there an artifact that does this is there a command trait that does something similar? Like even even just 10 inches, right? You know bring them bring them outside your normal nine or whatever. Sure no It should be noted that it doesn't stop like Teleporting units or units that are resetting up in some way like that are for example jumping through a gnaw hole that you're painting right now Um, because they're not they're neither reserve units nor summoned units, right? Yeah, right But so so like you have to be aware of stuff like that depending on what the enemy has You know available to them, but I agree with you It's so strong anti beast tech or something like that like though that type of army that relies on those ambush mechanics Bubbling out of multiple of your extremely strong casters with extremely big bases who don't want to be drop and popped Like what a ridiculously strong ability to just like exert board presence Right, and also by the way Actually feels really good in this army Because they they do feel like they should be sort of like masters of the The board space as it were if that makes sense So I'm saying like they're they are this like tactical master of the battlefield They've outmaneuvered you already before you even started right and and this is a really interesting representation of that concept kind of in mechanical form So I really like it just this this just really hummed for me like soul release. I just read it and I was like I can't believe somebody didn't write this a year and a half ago Yeah, yeah Yeah, I've seen a number of examples of that coming up in some of these recent battle tomes including seraphon today looking There's a lot of cool creativity, but anyway, yeah, that's that's great Can't have our one day in the sun. Can't All right, I can't wait for the anti anti tech where it's like this unit may always ambush No matter what and cannot be stopped by anything I like that as far as I can tell I mean, let me know if you guys can correct me It did not seem like there are many ways to get bonuses to cast in this battle tone other than obviously arkin And you know, we mentioned I think an artifact or command trade that you can It allows it for you to make it not. Yeah, unmindable. It's unmindable, right? But yeah, there's not like oh, we're just giving out plus one to cast plus two to cast etc So I like that. It's a nice constraint, right? And but it's yeah, it's amazing spell lower Uh the mortal contract reminds me of below ebb spell, which is incredibly powerful. I mean that yeah Oh, yeah, amazing All right, uh Okay, cool Worst girl time. Oh no sub faction time sub faction time sub faction time. Yes, exactly. It is sub faction time. Okay uh So just making a note for a timestamp here Okay, cool sub factions Uh These I feel like we can just kind of talk through all of them first a quick note No, battle line optional living in the sub factions Error 404 not found all of the optional battle line is happening through your general Um, which at first as I thought about that so when I when I first picked up this book and read it I was like, huh, that's kind of weird, right? It feels like that should be I don't know a thing, I guess But then as I thought about it more. I was like, oh wait, no, right. This is an army all about its leaders Right. Well, and so I don't know if that was their intentional thought if like somewhere in the whiteboarding Section when they were kind of talking through these abilities. They they actually ever critically thought through like we're not going to do any sub faction battle line Because this is a command and control top down Army that's like all about its leaders and command abilities in this very strict hierarchical leadership structure that it operates under Hence, that's what would enable alternative battle line Right. I don't know if they thought that Um, and yeah, I know they played other armies in the same in the same vein But at the same time they also haven't recently like there's there There are others recently because corn isn't exactly the same way garith. Um, the skull fiend tribe enables Skull cracker takers the skull swingy crushers Skull oh the skull rapers skull. There you go. Yes enables them Okay So, uh You know like that so there is like but yes, there there has been a couple books recently where they did play around with that And but this I this felt more intentional. Anyways, okay, cool Mortis Fratorians are sort of main faction here the the banner faction Uh, once return during the enemy charge phase after an enemy unit finishes a charge move You can pick one friendly mortis fratorians unit within 12 inches of that enemy unit and more than three inches From all enemy units that unit can attempt a charge All right. Well, we're starting strong That's a good one. That's a good one Uh, I believe nergal pays like 700 points for this ability on an otherwise underwhelming frame Yeah So that's pretty good It's pretty good I mean like I'm not crazy, right? That's that's actually crazy strong It's it's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, okay Uh, yeah, the main thing in the game that we've had that I can think of is iron suns and iron jaws Which of course has not seen a lot of play because of blood tubes In uh, the pig spam era that we've been living in for some time Uh, but it's but iron suns was quite good. I think this army is one bad FAQ and went over cursed for a year and a half But anyways, yeah But yeah, I feel like this army will be able to take even more advantage of this rule With stalkers or mortis guard or punchy heroes or whatever it might be. Yeah, it's it's great Like yeah, very tactical Quite quite fun. I played a little bit iron suns. It's it's very fun to play around with that No Okay, good petrofex elite I had to read this one like three times to figure out exactly what it was doing Okay Because and i'm still not sure i'm not confused right Subtract one from the damage inflicted to a minimum of one by each successful attack that targets a friendly petrofex elite hecatos Like okay, or petrofex elite goth is our harvester unit Okay That's fine It's very specific. I had to go read and I was like Got it. It's a minus one damage thing and I was like wait a minute What's a hecatos unit because I had never like Or what's a hecatos right like I had to go refresh myself on how this is working Yeah, so this is stalkers and mortis guard mortis or your your minus one minus one damage and then obviously harvester's Yep Yep So, okay, this is your elite build. I guess they looked at it and said Uh, well it has elite in the name So I guess it's the elite one. All right. It's the elite army Real real real big brain play there Brennan, you just said stalkers and mortis guards They have And more yes, they're hecatos. I thought they No, they have the hecatos keyword They have the oh the hecatos keyword. Okay. I think of the champion that's using art Exactly. Yeah, but which is why I have to read this hecatos. Yes, but does not have the keyword Oh, wow the units that do not have hecatos champions are keyworded hecatos and are therefore the units that are eligible Okay, I'm very glad we talked about this because yeah, I was stuck in mortis guard lands Yeah, hence my original confusion. There you go. You see now what hooks me. Yeah, because when I first read this I was like wait, how do I target just the champion in a god in a in a guard unit? I was like that doesn't make any sense. So I was like that's gotta be I'm reading this wrong So I was like, okay, that's a keyword. Let me go read here dug through the rest and then I was like, oh, I get it Yeah, okay, the elite dudes have this keyword. All right, so but it did take me a hop minute to cotton to that as well Like it you're not alone. Don't feel bad Uh Also very very very strong Right. I mean if you're playing if you have an interest in if you have some of these elite units I mean I think we just spent a long time learning how potent neg one damages It's super strong. Yeah How are we How are we turning on are we turning on battle line stalkers and mortis guard through some hero There is a way to turn through mortis ends. Yep. Yep. So those are those are your foot wizards. Um, yeah Interesting so yes, you can have an entire army operating like uh Seraphon, you know School seraphon as it were However, that works middle school seraphon. I don't know Previous to faq seraphon. Yes, you can Effectively get to that place your heroes. I don't get it, but you're but you know all you could build an entire army of the troops that have it Yes Okay, pretty good Stolly arc lords re-roll charge rolls for mounted units Okay Cool the worst one. Yeah Cool like re-rolling charges is good, but Need more war scroll options to make that interesting Right like if if we had added like the light cab and and and some chariot things and and and i'd be like Oh, all right. Okay. This could be interesting here. We could build a big force and they're all re-rolling, but no Nope Nope Uh ivory host add one to the number of hits scored by the natorite weapons battle trait by friendly Ivory host units if the unmodified hit roll was six and any wounds or mortal wounds were allocated to that unit earlier in the turn Um, this is a very interesting one because this army generally doesn't mind taking the hit First like just conceptually as we saw in some of the other abilities obr doesn't mind being like the swing back army and if you ever played slanesh With under like the old tone where you had the the trip hits On nat sixes because if you had a unit of 20 or more, you know It was like a six to hit was double hits But if you had 20 or more models in the unit you had a trip hits Which is effectively what this amounts to right because you go to three hits out of every six Um, it was absurdly strong. You know, it doesn't seem like much But it is wild how many hits that adds Okay, uh like you have to really actually play through it to feel it but like In simplest effect imagine Tyler if you will Okay, like let's do the math here for everybody because I want to make this real Let's imagine we're making 20 Uh, let's just let's make the math easy ish here. Okay. Let's say you're making 21 attacks and you're hitting on threes like you got a standard unit making two attacks with a champion Okay Cool. So you got 21 attacks hitting on threes Mathematically 14 of those will hit Right. Mm-hmm Okay, okay. That's the normal number Now Three or four of those let's just call it four Are going to be sixes Okay, yeah You just added eight attacks Back in to the hits So meaning out of your 21 attacks you hit 22 times I like the math Right, that's what that does to the math So and then there's the designer note that's that's I appreciate that they put in there That's like no silly this still only works on six. That's why we that's why we said six You know like all the empower things that empower this like it's the same with the poison and the cruel boys and everything else It's like no it doesn't go to five stop it stop trying to be a cheater. You know what it is You know, we said it is read the words Is the only way do you guys know of hand that we're getting fives exploding the empire and outright weapons spell Is there any other way? That's the only way right, okay. All right That's pretty tasty though. That's on uh, that's on a five 24 inch range pick one unit. Okay If we go back to the if we go back to the same example. I just had Tyler Okay, let like let's combine those two things Sure. All right So let's say you get three fives Let's just imagine what we'll go for the low end on that one You've now out of your 21 attacks Generated 25 hits Tasty, okay So when you hit more than you attack Uh, it's pretty good Turns out it's pretty good. So yeah, that's a quick note for you there Pretty good math. Yeah stalkers or guards Yeah, I like it So so fun stuff Yeah No myriad you can roll a dice each time a friendly no myriad unit wholly within nine inches of any friendly no myriad mortisons Or a friendly arcan is affected by a spell cast by an enemy unit Or the abilities of an end the spell summoned by an enemy unit on a two plus Ignore the effect of that spell the effects that end the spells abilities. So you just get to be immune to magic Got it. I was like be relatively near your heroes And you're immune to magic Okay It's pretty good It's pretty good. Yeah Old Dave Griffin might have to ban obr from two list format nashkon tournaments Yeah, and a two list format if your off list isn't no myriad. I don't know what you're doing with your life Of course, that's your second list. Of course it is This checklist list Yeah, I wonder what I'll play Yeah It's like so ungodly strong against a particular slice of armies. I honestly think I kind of hate it And what I mean by that is like I I like rock paper scissors design Like soft rock paper scissors Right. This is this is like rock beat scissors. Like this is true Rock paper scissors design like if you show up with magic scissors I am going to crush you Get out of here. Okay. You're done. You're done You're done Like if you're some zinchi Yeah, you're done Uh, and that might be too strong is my honest opinion Like I don't I'm trying to imagine the person who just plays no myriad all the time because like that person exists They will exist. They do exist And like then they just somebody at the table who's looking for to play a game Rocks up against them with like a zinchi army and is just like hey, let's have a fun game Well, one of us is gonna have fun I'm certainly not you Yeah, because my one ability here shuts off all of your like The entire point of your army That's that uh, I don't love that is my honest answer Sure I'm no huge fan of zincher teclis either I kind of hate both of them as well as seraphon like I'm not the biggest fan of magic heavy armies either What do you want? What do you want vince? You got a pick Right. So this is I find myself at a crossroads friend and that's what I'm saying I'm torn internally because at one point I kind of hate those things those armies on the flip Got a pick. It's the internet. Yeah, indeed On the flip side garith is exactly right Like most magic in the game is buffing magic And so the no myriad guy in a lot of the matches is just taking a sub faction ability that's ipsum lorem text Yeah Right I'm sure so so that's my that's my issue is it's like it's like this guy at the same game He so he just smashes he just Smashes the zincher player. It's just this four zincher player Doesn't get a single spell You know offer for any value No mortal wounds are done. No no money changes hands, right? And so he's like feeling good about his life He brings his rock to game two and then the corn player rocks up and he's like, oh, okay Well, hello paper. I also don't like magic Yeah But I don't have to spend anything to do that. That's just how I work all the time So who's made the better choice here? So, you know, that's that's kind of the thing Anyways is what it is. Okay I think honestly, I would have rather seen a design here. It was more screwing with all types of magic being cast Right in some kind of way and giving them a weaker spell ignore Right like some kind of disruption To enemy unbinding and castings that way. There's still value to you Right for for like if you go up against corn then there would still be value delivered because you would be disrupting their ability to unbind Your spells as well Right and then as well as like some kind of weaker spell ignore it that to me would have been better designed to like flatten out The experience across the armies you face so That's my thought. Yeah makes sense Finally crematorians each time a friendly crematorians model is slain before removing that model from play You can pick one enemy within three inches of it and roll a number of dice equal to the wounds characteristic of that model For each five up that enemy suffers one mortal wound Everybody's just got to get the better better than the storm cast, right? That's what we got to get everybody's Everybody now gets gets a better version of the storm cast rule. That's the important part That's but it's gonna come around it's gonna come around for storm cast It's gonna be like a four up and we're gonna go wow Yeah, exactly this power creep is nuts Yeah, it'll be like uh Every time the storm cast goes roll a two up. They do d three more per wound D three mortal wounds for every every uh, every two up you do Sure, uh, okay So having played storm cast. Yeah forever. Uh when I saw this my eye certainly lit up I got excited, but I don't actually know how powerful this is compared to these other things like I don't know Mel like what do you think about crematoriums? Do you do you get excited about this compared? Yeah, okay? I mean it seems good to me So there's like some weird like opposing mechanics here Where you have this built-in kind of like survivable army Um, but like you are also incentivized to die So in the book you're gonna talk about uh next week. Well, you won't tyler. It'll be tom There's a unit of zombies that when they die they do this exact same thing But also for 115 points for 20 20 of these dice rolls and it's way better and way more efficient Um All right, you pair things with harvesters and you know, you you keep that engine going Um I like it I like the way that they redid it where it's actually just against the wounds characteristic instead of it being like Oh, and if you're big you do it on a three up and it's d three mortal wounds like yeah Well, nah, man, let me roll my fist full of dice and like let me live or die by these fives all right Might be a little bit of old school daughters of kane With the way martyr sacrifice. That's what it was. Yeah, sure. There's big big bricks of 30 witches Doing more wins back to you on fives. Yeah Yeah, I mean yeah for my Money, uh, I mean I for my money I think you're supposed to see a lot of mortis praetorians a lot of petrofex and and and honestly I think we'll see some ivory host I think some people are gonna play around with that and really actually see that that is a very powerful ability Um, just because of of how it's very easy to turn on like it's yeah, especially since by the way It's not earlier in the phase for ivory host. It's earlier In the turn Look out burning head. Yeah, which is an important no, right? So like if you get shot if you get spelled like those things will still turn on this ability Yeah, so like it is now obviously that's you might say well your enemy just won't shoot you and it's like, okay Sure, great that i'm already winning. It's like fantastic. It seems like a good trade to me You know, so so I think I think that that ivory host comes out really well here, which is great because it was kind of um Super trash in the last version. So what it used to do. What was it? Oh god, okay. Yeah You can all out attack Well, and you were you were also living on a mountain of plus one to hit, uh Yeah, like things in the army. Yeah Yeah, it was bad. All right. Now. Let's do some more scrolls. Yay Uh, did we skip something? Nope Nope, I sure didn't Take some take some ponies in your list to get a battle tactic. There you go And we covered that. All right. Nagash He's 965 points. I stopped reading anybody else. Brendan. What does this guy do? I did not read this dude's rules and I refuse to do so Fair fair enough Vince. So He's he still feels very similar in that uh, you're oftentimes going to be getting your Uh, eight spell attempts. The big change is that he can unbind an unlimited number of spells He's base plus three to cast unbind into spell. So, you know, that's That's good. Um He now it's an unlimited number of units that are whole heath and range of invocation of the gash to get three wounds worth of models back for summonable mordant or bone reaper units uh, so that's You know, that's not bad He hands out a friendly death holy within 12 inches five up ward aura And he's a moving loon shrine Um in your hero phase you can bring back Uh Summonable mordant or oc arc bone reaper destroyed unit of three wounds wound characteristic of three or less And a three up you get a unit of a half size back um You know, it just can't move in the following movement phase It's cool. Yeah, um spells are the same all that works the same um I mean, he's got in our right combat profile like Yeah, it it's cool He's less bad Stealer did that get a little bit better? I feel like it's better than I remember it because he can now do potentially D6 mortal wounds instead of d3. Was it like that previously? Yeah, so there there was there was always a mechanism to get it up to d6. Okay. Okay. Interesting So it leads me to the big question Is he worth nine hundred and sixty five points? That is so many points Most of the time the answer is no Okay I I think he's incredible in a night haunt army Um the night haunt lore spell is bonkers Um And having a caster that's this good and this reliable that knows all of them is is nuts Um, they also have teeth. They're units Correct. Um, you know the I think there is a soul blight list that works particularly well with him Boy, I don't know about bone reapers though. Um Don't know about that and flesh eater courts like the wounds characteristic of being three or less is like Just spitting in their eye because like the units that you want to benefit from this are Four wounds. Yeah So Yeah, I like again for most of negash's life. He could stand to lose a couple maybe hundred points um But you know, you have to pay for past sins in this game and negash in 2018 was just um I understand so that's just still in time out. I get it. It happens. Yeah, okay Uh, all right, let's talk about the actual nominal head of this faction a scroll I did read because I I actually like this dude a lot and I like the changes to him Yeah, uh, and that's catacroas More tark of the necropolis 20 wounds big three up save. He's a war master He's got all his little peeps with him still on his mobile diorama that he's walking around on Uh, but we have some fun changes here Like specifically and importantly Uh That he doesn't uh lose his his peeps his peeps are there and they do things And it just that's how that works and that's cool Um, his little scroll bearer and his little scribes his little spy master and so on Um, I also appreciate he still has the sort of reverse profile thing where his melee actually gets better as he gets more wounded Um, he doesn't get up to like like you notice the the stars are like in the attacks profile all the way down in the column Because his like retinue people start out with a bunch of attacks and then they go down and then he goes from one up to four But I do appreciate the do nothing. This one's mine Uh, where in by the way his people don't listen. They still make seven attacks, but it's funny to me um It would have been funnier if the retinue blades is zero and in the cot and shield and mortis both become Four or five even or something like that would have been fun, right? But that's cool either way a special super profile Yeah, yeah, exactly right for him fighting because that's clearly his thing. He likes to fight enemy heroes and I get that And yes, so you use the bottom row of his profile, uh, if he's within three inches of any heroes, which is cool Yeah, great rule So he has like again, we we saw it already on um Nagash, but it's worth it's worth sort of talking through the rule in a little more detail here Because this is kind of the way you're going to see it templated Throughout the rest of this army and in his more torque of the necropolis ability. Lots of heroes have some variation of this thing Uh, that we're going to see here So in your hero phase you can pick up to three different osirak bone reaper's units holy within 24 of him If that unit is not immortal scarred or stalkers You can either heal up to three wounds allocated to that unit or if no wounds have been allocated You can return a number of slain models where the combines wound characteristics three or less If they are an immortal scarred or stalkers unit You can either heal up to three wounds or if no wounds have been allocated You roll a die and on a three up you put one guy back And you're going to see basically a variation on that same thing happened multiple times we get into the rest of the heroes Yeah, the variation is the number of different units and the range that it triggers on right Right, and then he has his two command abilities now They're both hero phase command abilities So he cannot issue both of them despite having a million command points Remember they still have the limitation on camp multi issue and he doesn't break and And he can issue anywhere on the table. Yeah once per turn Yeah Uh for yeah So he gets he brings another 10 free command points to you just in case just in case you didn't have enough yet Uh But my problem with these two And we talked about this a little off air before the show and I and so I mean I completely agree with the point that you made Brendan originally So I don't want to steal your thunder But to me like supreme lord of the bone reaper legions is so much stronger Than endless duty unless there is some very specific thing That i'm trying to do at that moment. Maybe that's good. Maybe that's bad. I don't know Maybe it's okay to have one be like this is the one I use 90 of the time And this is the one I use 10 of the time I I don't know if that's good design or bad design is my honest answer, but I I think that's the case like supreme lord is is plus one to hit and plus one to save for a massive bubble around this diorama base And endless duty is plus one attack duty for you know one For one unit, which is which is good strong buff, but okay Right, I mean, yeah The the supreme lord of the bone reaper legions no longer being keyworded locked to getting both of the buffs is is huge um You as an opponent can shut it down by getting to within three inches of it You know during their hero phase and then he can't issue the supreme lord of the bone reaper legions, which feels like a really weird restriction sure, um Whatever um But it it makes catacross useful and valuable um in All sub factions, which is which is nice Sure sure Yes, he himself is mortispertorians worth mentioning, but of course this this ability isn't isn't tidally locked to them anymore And yes, I didn't mention the three inch shutoff and I should have but like It feels to me like most of the time you're going to keep this guy out of combat if you don't want him in combat Like you're the nature of how this army plays is still pretty mobily castley and you you're You you generally should be able to stop them from getting into him if you don't want them into him Um, especially because of the aforementioned spell we talked about that like shuts off Uh ambushing and and things like that it within a range So, you know, it becomes even harder to get at the back line and get at him But yes, it does shut off in that case. So sure then in that case he falls back to the plus one attack thing, but okay I but I think he's at 440 points. Is this guy worth it for you? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah I agree. I think this dude solid Yeah, he's got to be in a lot of list. I feel Lot of list All right I want to go straight to the next war scroll because then we're going to have a discussion like that because Okay Next war scroll is arc on the black And he's he's arc on the black. He's a trip cast wizard trip cast trip unbind Right with a plus two to cast base Who's a war master who can fly who's got a mount who's got his blah blah blah blah blah, right? Um, he had six inches to the range of spells cast by friendly death wizards while they're holy within 18 No, it would not increase the range of the bubble of the teleport because that is not a range that a spell is cast It is an effect around the caster. So no those two things. No, he doesn't push the the bubble of no Reserve to 18 inches or anything like that. You know that the FAQ is going to land 100 opposite to that now So Relays 16 Because if it's because if solar release comes down to enemy units outside of 18 inches like Put arc in in your list. That's where the list starts and you go from there Yeah, I mean they've clarified range before and and said that like this is how this is what range means And we know it's not range That means nothing. It means absolutely nothing Sure Look, you're absolutely right that any answer is always possible at an FAQ, but I I believe they'll answer it correctly I'm proud. I'm glad you think so sure um so This he also self heals Which is really nice Um, he has his more torque of the sacrament to blah blah blah heal units like we talked about already And he's got curse of years and this dude's at 370 now obviously He doesn't have the melee power not even close Not even close. I mean he is a he is a goofball ancient 5 000 year old wizard, right? Like That that's what did they Did they tone him down melnik? I remember him being a little Beefier in combat. He was a little punchier, but not by much. Okay Like like mildly punchier. Yeah, I know his wounds got increased. I think from 11 to 14 now Yep, and he's a three up save now. So, yeah But like survivable Here's why I'm saying all this. Here's why I wanted to jump to this guy's scroll so quickly My honest answer is I don't I've never I I've never thought a list that had both arcan and Uh catechrose was like a good place to start. It's just like too big of a point investment Two big hats, man two big hats. Yeah, just get all the big hats So I've just I've just never thought that was like a good a good way to start the list And you're just investing too much and you're losing too many bodies in an already elite army. Okay, I don't know man. I think it works Okay, okay interesting You you basically build a a discounting a gash in doing so Yeah, sure. I don't disagree. It's a 200 point discounted sort of pseudo negash now But for me I'm taking arcan every time like I really like catechrose. Oh, wow But I really really like arcan like I think what this guy does in the force In both his innate mobility that dude has a base 16 inch move homie. Yeah like uh His little Razorak or whatever his name is Man that dude is is moving. He's got he's got some some speed on him, right? be the lad yeah like That's a really high Mobility unit with a really good bonus to cast and there we we talked about how Good the spell lore is and by the way it is He knows all the spells Fires off three of them every round. By the way when we get to the other spells, they're also super good Okay So like and this dude's just trip popping off every time With basically plus two and if he does get wounded as long as he can go hunt some chaff he can heal himself back up right uh So like I really like this guy Like this guy feels really really Good, I don't know just like a versatile valuable piece in your overall force. That's that's my take on him. I don't know Totally agree. I'm really looking forward to getting some practice games in with arcan Um, I love catacoros. He's my favorite model in the game. I love his war scroll. I love the model I love everything that he represents. I love the army um and Oftentimes in those games. I'm just going like man. I wish I just had a slightly better caster than I had access to Right. That's what's such cool design. Is that that trade off is one? Yeah, but I love the trade off with these two hero embodied by these two heroes because you're not getting the bonuses Yeah, sure You're not getting those bonuses else. I'm just just ignoring the gash obviously, but yeah, it's it's really cool design Yeah, so I mean I Brendan's coming down on both. Okay. I'm coming down on on arcan tyler. Right. Where are you coming down? I mean reading the book like it was just hard to ignore catacoros Just thinking like you just you just lean into catacoros. You start there 440. He's the most incredible war scroll Force that he doesn't have to do anything. He doesn't do anything in combat. He's phenomenal Like I love the design of this guy I I get melnick why you love this guy so much But yeah, no, I you're selling me man on arcan with with the value of this This these these spells and the six inch extra range and the plus two to cast With even a lot of wound staking. He's still rocking the plus two cast combined, etc Nah, yeah, pretty pretty compelling case, but probably probably catacoros I mean the safe stacking is unreal plus to hit so you can have a lot of your army twos twos and twos a lot of the time Yeah So there you go. I mean to me this is this is one of the great like this is a strength in the book in my mind The fact that all three of us read these two scrolls liked both of them and came down to three different ways We we would use these two scrolls Actually is like a tremendous strength to me I was very happy to see how both these guys work And as I said off the off the air before and I was really glad he kept his plus two to cast They've been cutting a lot of bonuses to cast and if they had done that here If even if they had knocked him down to like plus one or something Yeah, right I just I wouldn't feel the same way Right like they kept them interestingly Balanced against each other. So I I think one of even the bigger strengths of this is that Neither of these war scrolls have to be automatic includes for your list to look good and and do what it's supposed to they help um, but like You are You are under no obligation to get the mileage out of your army And you are handcuffed to taking the named characters. Yep Yep, so I We can wait on this. We're going to spoil those later, but all right Mel, like if you're taking arcan and catacoros, are you taking any other leaders any other heroes? Just those No Exactly Maybe maybe like if you end up with like some weird points you end up with like a bone shape or something in 120 But like how the champ yeah The next thing that you're doing is is Units units units units units units units units. Yeah, a lot of the list that I was building it was 800 Or more in the heroes Which is interesting because I was kind of kind of crows And yeah, which I really love that constraint with the list building Because yeah, anyway, the next thing you're doing when you take both of them is building your delorean So you can time travel to july in the new ghp when you won't be half struck for not having Little foot heroes anymore Okay, all right. Let's keep going Uh arch cabalos zantos. You're named horsey guy. He's 200 points Okay, this dude's awesome. Finally not useless. He's so cool. Not useless. Yeah This guy did not grab me. Sell me on this guy Oh, man It's sure. All right. Let me take this one. All right. Yeah, he's issuing. I'm taking over. He's issuing clear out It clear he's issuing. He's got the freaking Bastion car flows now. It's not board wide. That's fair, but it's it's still really good Adding one the damage five attacks three strees minus two three damage You're gonna have ways you're gonna buff the hit roll probably if you're taking him you're probably gonna take catacross Uh still their breath. I remember that's pretty good. Add one to wound rolls Holy within 12 index to your phase That's all that's the best part tyler Holy within 12. That's yeah, that's a phenomenal command ability They and they they screwed up the wording In the combat phase you issue it and it lasts until your next hero phase I You can stack this if you needed to Right back into to graveguard Original spg They never fixed it. Here we go. That that will get FAQed out. Come on And and you're gonna get you're gonna get 18 inches on the soul release. It's gonna be great Um, but it's it's a bubble for the sub fat one of the two sub factions that you're gonna lean into Yeah, um where you can where you can improve the weakness of of your army Like he's probably too expensive at 200 Um, because you're you're unnamed is 170 Um, uh, well, yeah, that's but but you're not I don't think you're far off. Yeah, that's probably fair. I'd be a little high Yeah, I don't know man Like I get it all that's all that is a good example and like I just simply don't believe the silly combat phase wound stacking Sure thing will survive. So like I read him as he has a command ability for plus one to wound And look that's good. Okay. Like no doubt. That's good But I don't love him being maybe it's because even though that mortis praetorian ability counter charge ability is really strong It's not the sub faction I Like leaned to when I read the book Okay And him being tightly locked obviously because he has a mortis praetorian named guy like I get it I'm not I'm not angry that he's like narratively what he is, right It just didn't land with me the same because I'm not running a mortis praetorian's army So I'm like, okay, well this guy isn't working for me, right? And and so I think that's That's probably the beginning and end of it right there Yeah, and if it's leech cavalos versus this guy then generally speaking Yeah, leech cavalos is gonna win out a lot of the times. So I get that I'm just excited that this guy is interesting now because he's definitely this is definitely an upgrade We're in a better place than we were no doubt about it. So Yeah, if you're taking praetorians, you have to think about it. Yeah, which is That's fair. That's fair Okay, the boom Vokemorsh vokemorshian mortian. I don't know how you pronounce his name This well, no one's no one's ever played him before so Remember how this was the first guy we actually saw from this army. Oh, wow. Like in the first teaser animated video He was the lone figure standing on the the ridge Like collecting the tithe And then that was the last time anybody ever saw This guy because he never hit a table ever Okay I might change now Sure. So he is 140 points. He is a two cast wizard six moons four up save blah blah blah He also knows the spell lore Okay And he has Maybe one of the crazier abilities I've ever seen On a hero Again when we talk about breaking new ground, right? Yeah, like his mortal touch spell is Fine, it's what it is and his his grim warnings thing We talked about earlier if you're going to go the bravery route of being a blah blah blah And you can shut off inspiring presence and yada yada There's there's more ways to shut off inspiring presence. We'll talk about later as well So that's all fine Like, you know all good neg two or neg three bravery is very strong if there's no inspiring presence at play And you're making more models flee and all that but contract of negash Can we talk about contract of negash for a minute? Okay At the start of the combat phase you can pick one enemy unit within three inches of this unit and roll a die On a three up your opponent must spend a command point to pick this unit to be the target of that enemy unit's attacks in that phase What an absolutely fascinating defensive ability for a spell castee hero like Okay, I don't know who wrote this contract, but man that is some ironclad verbiage there The ko are jealous of this kind of contract writing Some good stuff and the command point to read the paperwork in time. Yeah yeah, so like That's a really really really strong Defensive ability forget having a four up ward all of a three up. I can't be attacked. That's pretty good Especially in the current season where i'm not getting shot. Well, I guess he is unique. So that's not how you know He is getting shot. He is getting shot, but you know, uh But but still that's that's pretty it's pretty good Uh, yeah, I don't know you you find in a home for this guy in a non Both uh big boys list. What do you think about him? At 140 it's it's compelling um The he he becomes effectively automatic right so at 160 right is where your Your other two casts to unbind Uh with your soul mason is gonna fit if you can't get to 160 You're running vachmortion. It's It's what you do Okay, so I you're gonna you're gonna see him in armies if for no reason other than just hey the points didn't work And you don't and you don't feel stupid for doing it okay Yeah, I I think he's interesting. He's like he's he's in the conversation now Oh, he is also tidally locked to more spiritualians. I should also say that because he is he is part of that whole He's part of that whole crew They all they all travel around together. They're like a gang Okay If we were doing helm of tyranny Enemy units can ever see the inspiring presence within three of the baron addition It fell battle shop within three add d three of the number malls and we're doing horigast Can we stack that? Or are we having to choose One of the other can ease that could where you could get some some 2d3 action going. Yeah, why can't you do both? I would I would reason why you couldn't why both wouldn't apply. Yeah, I would think so Yeah, I kind of I was thinking about that combo and I was reading this guy Yeah, with the minus two bravery. Yeah, I I dig this dude You're gonna have to find a third wizard to get all three of these endless spells in your list though. Sure. Yeah Okay, a man can dream sure Uh, all right. Tell me brandon about the ossefactor our our new guy that you held up earlier What what's your what's your take on the ossefactor our our new hero? Is interesting So he Once in or sorry in your hero phase. You can pick one unit wholly within 12 inches of him It's got to be a harvester a crawler or a more gas units and you can pick one of the three effects Two of the three are really good. The first one is improve the ren characters to melee weapons by one Good The other one is the first wound or mortal wounds Uh Cause that unit each phase ignored And then the last one is uh for the catapults and I guess technically the harvesters Six is a hit score two hits instead of one So that's pretty good Is you've got a spell that allows you to pick up to three units to get the same uh enhancement Um, wholly within 24 inches. So I mean if you're running three catapults or you know Multiple units of more gas or also multiple more gas and a harvester To get the extra rend this this unit feels automatic Yeah Yeah, I mean like So it's interesting. We had the discussion earlier about opening up new play avenues And and clearly there is some element of what they're pushing on here with that But I didn't feel like it was really doing enough to make me want to go. Okay, cool I'm gonna build that army now Yeah, like yeah, it's some neat buffs for those units. That's cool But no part of it made me go. This is a viable strategy now Right to like To sort of if I'm doing this this becomes mandatory Right, it's you don't have to Right, right So I feel like this is a step in the right direction But we still got a couple more steps to go if we're gonna do these silly one new heroes with every book So yeah, this guy kind of underwhelmed me a little. Hey, I'm not against plus one rend. It's generally a good buff, but But Was my my overall read Okay The mortison bone shaper Shaping them bones Uh At 120 points For your standard five up for a type of situation here. He has a single cast wizard He is a bone shaper So he has the his version of the thing we've talked about multiple times now on Catacross and uh Archon and so on but he picks one unit and But he can still do his thing including return a slain stalker or a mortis guard And uh, he also has a nice horde You know horde dinner type spell so yeah Yeah Pretty solid pretty pretty solid simple utility cast or a hero like he casts a spell He does a thing. He's got a pretty good spell He's 120 points All right Great Like Okay, he'll make it. Yeah, he'll be in a number of lists. Yeah Uh, it's basically this page I was looking at for that like catacross leech cavalos and a galley champ And in my mind it was a bone shaper or soul mason Unless I was looking at like, you know, maybe maybe block mortian or whatever But yeah Yeah, sorry soul mason's not a galley champ Oh, it's got a mount Yeah, he's walking around on the throne that is a mounts. It's not a companion Might have been they could have they could have said it's a companion because like it's a walking chair Uh, but I don't know what it is But uh, but no, it is in fact a mount. So yes, he's not a galley champ Uh, brendan, what's your what like the soul mason? He's your 160 point dual cast or wizard, right? I mean, that's that's it. That's where the discussion begins and ends, right? Yeah Dual caster knows the full lore Oh at the end of your hero phase roll a dice On a one nothing happens on a two to five you get to cast his war scroll spell on a six You get to cast his war scroll spell d three times Yeah Cool Yeah And and his war scroll spell is more tech guard or cavillos deathriders is plus one to wound cool That's that's nuts for 160 points like yeah great How how many armies would be uh, would be jumping over themselves to to get exactly that? Yeah Yeah, like he's Packing a double caster body with it with a good ability as you mentioned on to 160 point frame To me is like Yep, okay. Yeah That's that's pretty that's pretty worth it It's pretty good It should also be stated that because he's a mortis and hero Wait, we didn't you'll see it later on but he is also then one of the same with the mortis and bone shaper And so on these guys these guys are the battle line enablers for a mortis And Like he and the bone shaper and so on all the mortis and they do have the ability to To to turn your In mortis guard and your necropolis stalkers into battle line units. So yeah cool Yeah, he was on the on the board for me when I was thinking about little little heroes as the first slot But I did miss the mount. That's unfortunate that he's not a galley champ, but it's still great amount. Yeah He's got a mount Okay, cool But boom, let's keep going the mortis and soul reaper Soul reaper Uh So in the last book You didn't really see this guy very much Yeah He is like the coolest sculpt in the army. Let's just be straight other than other than the underworld's warband Yeah, they're conning. Yeah, yes other than that this dude's like the coolest sculpt in the army Uh Useful four scroll waste time Does does nothing. Yeah Yep, the best mortis and soul reaper was the one that mef was npc in our in our Soulbound game that dude was pretty good. Yeah, no, I agree like I just I don't I don't know the list I put this guy into that's the problem Yeah That's the thing. He's he's 120 points and if you are in a place where you have 120 points to throw around You're taking a bone shaper or you're taking an osa factor. You're not taking this Like if he was 80 points or 100 points, then you go, okay weird point number like He he fits like I'm taking him then right like the the same vachmortion situation like yeah, I want this other unit I don't have enough points I have this other thing Yeah Yeah at 120 he's just getting He's just getting smashed by by the other options at the same point level or very close to it. So yep Okay, thought he was the one clear miss of this battle town as far as war scrolls Yeah, I well, I mean, yeah, we'll Maybe you have some others, but It really really stood out to me I mean, it's not like all the rest of the heroes in my mind are evenly dispersed, right? Like some of them have more uses than others But yeah, all these like in the conversation this dude was just like nope never I I don't I don't know the world and again, it's a shame because he is the coolest looking model like this dude Super awesome. Okay Okay Yeah, yeah, the dais cast said we have a bone shaper at home. This is the bone shaper at home. Yeah, exactly Yeah, 100% all right more tech guard. I mean they are the Back bone They are who we thought they were of of the army Excellent. Yeah, okay And you they have their shield wall command ability You can use the command ability at the start of the combat phase The command ability can only be issued by this unit's more tech Hecatos and this unit must receive the command ignore modifiers positive and negative To save rolls for attacks that target this unit in that phase Just go ethereal. I guess um Okay, they are 150 points for 10. They are still a one wound Model it was honestly a question in my head like When before I got this book the biggest question I honestly had About this was our more tech guard going to become two wounds Like I could see the world where that happens Right if they were on 32s, man, they're on 25s for some dumb reason. Yeah, sure sure I mean that that might have been what ultimately broke it in the favor of keeping him a one right And by the way a lot of other stuff would have changed if they had become two wounds But we've seen a lot of movement up to two wounds on troops that act a lot like this In recent books, right? So it wouldn't have been like beyond the pale in any way Um, but no here. Here we are and you know their basic attack for taking the blades is two attacks three fours neg one one or you can two and three chit for two attacks force four as neg one one And then you've got your dude with his great blade. Okay um More tech guard How much of more tech guards value brendon lives off this scroll? very little No, what I mean is like the if you just read this scroll you'd look at it and go Yeah, that's pretty good. Is it really 150? But what I'm saying is I think yeah Oh, yeah, all the power is in everything we've read before this Right, that's what that's 100. Yeah exactly Like there's such a synergistic piece with everything else we've said so far, right? Yeah I I think they're a little underwhelming at even at 150 with all the with all the pieces Um, but I right I don't think I'm not going to sit here and advocate. They got to be 120 like Yeah You won that you won that wound valley to be three instead of four. Is that the main thing? probably um I I think 120 is probably too low But I think 130 to 140 like just everything in this book feels 10 to 20 points over Um, right like it feels like you're just missing a reinforcement or one unit all the way through Um, good place to start. I love that. I agree. I think that's always a better place to start Like start a little softer a little higher that can be corrected and and they've shown a willingness to do that, right? So it's good. Yeah but yeah, I mean Baseline these guys are very easily just straight up four of ethereal fiber Yeah, right. So that's a very tough unit and especially like well, you can't do that You can't be four but you're real and five. Oh, you're right because they're both combat phase. I'm sorry. You're right You're you're right. I I I miss that they're both combat phase abilities. You're absolutely right. You got me. You got me there It's one for you. Okay. Yeah, so I mean they're tough But they can be backed up by the harvester so they can either be four up ethereal six up or four up Or like depending on the rent situation what's going to happen a lot Depending on the rent situation and depending on what's going on in the rest of the place. You're not using shield wall you're using catacrosis ability and And an all out defense and mystic shield Mystic shield, yeah And then and then going to the five up and then they just become very very difficult to shift. Yeah. Yeah I think it's only if you're if you're punching at somebody who's like super rend and you didn't get to buff them But it's nice that they have that fall back So yeah, still usually blades not right blades over spears Obviously might depend on the unit size, but just in general because they're on 25s just still Yeah, I I think so. I I think even even in a brick of 30 you're getting most if not all of them and yeah And finally and finally the weapon upgrade does something so that's that's good Because before it wasn't nat or right and there was no reason to take it. So Yeah, it does something now So, yeah, okay good like they're good they they're I agree with you They probably feel like they should be I know I'd come down to 140 pretty easily like I wouldn't have to be argued into that very hard Um, but yeah, it's not it's not like it's not like they're crazy. It's not like we came in at 180 or 200 or something where I'm just like what we haven't been thinking You know Okay in mortis guard and the necropolis stalkers These are our big boys Uh, and they are big boys the five are big. Yes, indeed the mortis guard five wound models with a three up save They are both elite. They can both issue their units. They're 200 for three They go battle line with a mortis and jenny Uh, the stalkers are five uh wounds with a four up save. They're 220 For three and go battle line with the mortis They are both hecatos units, which is relevant if you're wanting to be in the in our Uh, a four mentioned petrofex elite Where they can also then become just Absorb a coalesced neg one to damage Ability very very strong, especially especially on the mortis guard. Oh my god. Are those guys are already shipped at that point Yeah Uh And they still bodyguard if a friendly uh, this is the mortis guard If a friendly osteoarth bone repers hero, is it then three inches of this unit before you allocate a wound or mortal wound to that hero? on a two up It gets allocated to this unit instead and that uh instead of that hero and cannot be negated So cool. Good. I'm glad we added that extra and cannot be negated verbiage That is the correct way these things should all work. Thank you I am okay with that when we do it the right way like body guarding is fine Even this which is like one of the most effective body guards at a straight two up Uh ward for your heroes Uh, really strong most time obviously this rule pops on a three up. So uh, big difference right And they have a crushing assault one, uh, you can use this command ability once per battle after this unit has fought for the First time in the combat phase this command can only be issued by a model in this unit And this unit must receive the command this unit can fight for a second time in that phase The strike last effect applies to them. Okay. And by the way, their attack profile is like good. It's it's good Three attacks three threes neg two two Good. It's a good profile. Yeah, you're not going to be able to get too much better than what's listed Right because this is a command that would occur in the combat phase. So you have to you have to pre-plan for it Um, which is fine But there's ways to get plus one to hit and plus one to wound without spending command points on the unit specifically So, you don't know you're stuck at rend two Yep, exactly like good base rend good base damage There is some risk here that somebody just like plows into a nearby hero And then pushes a bunch of wounds through on them Right because it's not an optional bodyguard rule. It's just they do it. Oh Yeah, interesting Uh, like I missed that huh Yeah, like it just says if it would happen roll a dice on a two up they're eating it Right, that's a pretty big deal. Yeah So like you do have to be a little cagey with how you bodyguard them and like not have like You have some squish boy castor hero standing next to them and somebody just plows into it with like three pigs Into the hero and just like forces a bunch of free wounds through onto your immortal's guard Yeah, right like which which is the play like boy. Oh boy. That's the play Um, that's why you just park him next to catacross. Right. Sure. Sure It's like, yeah, go ahead go nuts man Good luck So anyways, but yeah, I I like these guys Um, I feel like we mentioned it at the top of the show But yeah, man, they feel usable for One of the first times that I've talked about this scroll and said those words together And and again, they feel usable at 200, but they just feel like 10 or 20 points like a little too much um And and I won't belabor that point much more But like but that speaks to the improvement that's that this war scroll has had where Like you look at and you go, oh Finally the six I built three years ago right like I like I'll actually talk about taking yep Uh, necropolis stalkers are very much still necropolis stalkers. Like if you remember necropolis stalkers, you're correct That's they're they're they're choppy choppy Killie killie, you know, they're they're the offense. Oh, by the way, this is actually yeah, they're they're good Like you've got a you've got a grindy tanky attrition unit and you've got like a choppy choppy hammer unit I like when we see very clear roll distinctions like this and they they do that um the um Their hunt and kill is actually pretty interesting. That's their unique command ability You can use this command ability in your hero phase. This can only be issued by model. This unit must be received by this unit blah blah blah Uh Until your next hero phase this unit can run and still charge Later in the turn in addition until your next hero phase models in this unit Can pass across terrain features in the same manner as models that can fly not Super useful unless you're crazy boosting their run because like your average run is going to be nine inches Big terrain depending on what's going on You may not even be able to get sort of all the way over in any kind of reasonable way But it's still useful. It's cool. Like it's a cool ability. I'm not sad about it run and I still don't think that right you're using it other than to to try and do the run in charge part of it and even then I don't know that it matters because It means that you're not receiving a plus one attack command ability in the hero phase, which this unit loves to take Um, you know, you can't run and use the plus three Because the plus three to move is specifically a normal move. Um So if your average result is going to be the same thing as spending the command point to just move that average result I You know I I I don't know why you do this other than to Try and get past a terrain feature specifically or you're hoping to roll high Sure I mean, what I'll say is Run and charge is just generally a good ability to have right like because You because it gives you the option out of this like okay, if I roll the big number I can't get the distance and get there like it's it becomes an option And I agree like that the going over terrain is just nice It's a nice extra thing that they clearly realized wait. We have to give this Command something else. Otherwise it is going to lose out to the plus three move every time right So I think you won't be able to get over like a lot of big terrain like you know, you know Tyler Nash con some of the terrain we see on the table there Right and some of it's so big you're going to get over even if you just use it to cut a corner Sure, which is yes. That's what you're going to do. You're going to cut a lot of corners Right. Hey, you're going to get over the castle and end up on top of the castle and it's like, oh, okay You know or something so yeah But it's not bad. They're they're really good. I like these guys a lot. They're very deadly In petrofex elite. They are horrifying frankly So yeah Because I appreciate the power of a hammer unit that's neg wanted damage Neg went to be yeah, like that's yeah as we have seen Is seems good. Yeah seems good. This was the war scroll that yeah stood out as a potential concern of getting spammed in petrofex elite battle line mortis We'll see because it I mean, yeah, this war scroll this sings We had catacross plus want to say they like you can make them incredibly tanky the best save stacking potential of the battle tone with Uh What is it's play parry aspect catacross, etc. Mystic shields. So yeah, they're they're they're nuts. I don't know. We'll see I'm hoping that that's not like one of the standout builds is just let's continue spamming stalkers Because obviously that's where the book ended up last time Right two by nine or whatever it was. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see I still think even at five wounds There's an objective control challenge there. Uh in the current world, but we'll see we'll see. Yeah And if only there was some way of getting around that this book If only If only, huh boy. Oh boy. Yeah, I guess I guess we should just stop reading here and not inquire any farther Oh boy, you weren't wrong on that. I read that what what you're I read what you're talking about. I was like, wait, what? Oh, yeah, crazy. Ah Yeah, yeah It does what? Yeah, yeah exactly. We'll get there everybody. Don't worry Okay Leege Cavalos Uh seven wounds three up save. This is our our mounty boy generic hero. He's 180 points Uh, yeah, right. Is he 180 you said somebody said 170 earlier. Did I write down the wrong thing? I thought it was Let me make sure I was right down the wrong thing Leege Cavalos nope 180. Okay. Okay. I'm bad at reading. No, no, it's okay. I just want to make sure I wasn't wrong uh and Uh, he also can issue a command To a friendly obr unit without a command point being spent Cool. Good stuff. He has his unstoppable charge just like the just like xantos or whatever his name is Um, and he can pile in more and he has endless duty Ha, uh, you can use his command ability in your hero phase the unit that receives his command must be a friendly Osirac boner unit until your next hero phase add one of the attacks characteristic of that unit's melee weapon So you can stand still got his still got his plus one attack command ability He's pretty much what he was good old generic mounted Good guy on a weird round base Why he's on a round base and not a cavalry base as as it just annoyed me to no end What is that? Is that uh, it's an 80 he's on 100. I think 100 No, he's gotta be on an 80 mil round, right? He's he's on the he's on the same base as um The idol on and the mangler squig and I think that's 100. I think that's 100. Okay Okay, that is insane. Uh, yeah, I mean, what's your what's your take on this guy? Tyler you want to yeah, yeah, sure easy. Okay, Tyler you you had talked about this guy a little before Where where you live? Yeah, I did. Yeah, I dig this dude Like I said, I I mean it's hard to pass up diversionary tactics subtract three from charge rolls Put that on your genny have a good time But if you want to go in the ignore knight go to modify your same rules for attacks the target this general the mighty Arcosian however the hell we pronounce that This guy's your man, right? You just make them the distraction carnifex pinning piece Like I said, you can lean into stacking the wards as well And if I'm reading things right in terms of what you can do you can get them to a two up ignoring rent And a three up wards if you get all the goodies off Because I'm pretty sure you're basically like you're stacking you can stack the spell There's a spell, right? I don't know there's a couple of ways to stack things that I saw in this battle You can get them to be a three up against mortals mortals. That's that's it against mortals. Yes. Thank you Yeah, and you can and you can get yourself to be um A four up against everything Yeah, load of saturation you hit him you hit him with that artifact add one award rolls for the bear Yep, yeah So I think it's interesting in that role like just as a tech piece for an army. That's kind of cool And and obviously that's an amazing command ability. Yeah pop that on some stalkers Have a good time or mortis guard whatever Yep It's also interesting to see a mounted cavalry hero that doesn't have the I I need to charge to to to be my fighty guy buff Yeah, because he's not like a lance or something like that like he yes I understand he has his unstoppable charge blah blah blah like I get it. It's not that that's not a thing Yeah, my point is it's not like his weapon profile and stuff like that. He's he's actually Because you can make him that tough. He's actually okay to be out there and be a sort of Receive a charge piece and and just yeah on him living Which is interesting again because of his higher mobility versus sort of the rest of the army and what you can accomplish there So Yeah We've just love pieces like that on list, right? Like it's just another tool in the toolbox that can have all kinds of different uses in a game You know like I've always I've often tried to play with pieces like that in a list And yeah, just add so much utility versatility and this guy. Yeah, it really seems to me in that regard Yeah, quite cool. Absolutely all right Cool, and then the death writers who are now they're 170. So that's probably where your brain was at They're 170 for five and they are a battle line Uh, yeah, give me give me your give me your death writer readout. Brandon. Where are you living on death writers? Uh, so more techs on horses in terms of just what your profile is doing with the impact hits are nice The six inch pylon after you charge is nice Um, the the real tech piece is the death writer wedge though. So this is their command ability um, and you can use it in the charge phase and So normally what this means is it's going to let you charge over screens or charge out from behind your units Um, but you can use it in any come in uh, any charge phase So you can use this in the enemy charge phase with mortis praetorians and use it to charge over your screen Into a unit or over in a round part of their unit. Um, it's And and you don't have to use it at the start. So you can see if you get a charge roll that you like that's high enough Um, to to get where you need to go or you can spend the point to reroll the charge Or you can do it to to use this to land in a slightly different place um What it's Yeah Let's see mortis and praetorians Yeah, there's mortis and praetorians. Where's the where is it? Where is it? Where is it? What's the enemy charge phase? Finish is a charge move 12 inch the unit can attempt to charge I see okay, that's clever. All right I dig it. I I miss that. That's great Yeah, um 170 points is probably about right. Um You know, they're they're 15 wounds They they do some good damage I they're they're good Okay So here's the test. You ready for the test? Okay. I'm ready for the test Are you now like they're battle line all the time are you now taking a unit of these In most of your builds like do you have a five pack of these as sort of standard In what I like the average build you'd make I never stopped running death riders. I always had death riders always They fell off in a big way like they were when they had their initial cheater wedge nonsense People were running them left and right to do silly things, right? Amen. That's fine. I I believe in fast screens sure Uh, so so you're you're you're back to always having these in your list like for your money This is like, yeah, we're we're here. We're living this Yeah, and they're even better now Sign me up. Okay cool good Okay, uh more tech crawler Uh, it's a shooty shooty catapult obviously It's less complicated and I love that. Sure. Sure Uh Where's the ballasty you cowards? Uh in the in the stories for these guys, they have big ballistas as well And yet where's that model? I'm just saying I want the cool model that like penetrates through Quote unquote ranks and stuff like that. I just I want that man. Anyways Um, that's just me wanting to see more of the the the mixed arms force like we mentioned earlier Okay, so we got three attack modes. We'll come back to that in a second. All right So again because everything in this army is 200 points. This is 200 points Um each time this unit shoots Choose either the cauldron of torment necrotic skulls or cursed steel weapon characteristics for all the attacks It makes for the dread catapult and then deathly barrage after this unit shoots We'll dice for each enemy unit that was targeted by this unit's attacks in that phase Add two to the roll if that unit was targeted by all of this unit's attacks in that phase on a five up slash three up Because that's actually what it's going to be all the time The strike last effect applies to that unit until the end of that turn Okay, cool just until the end of that turn But that's obviously still quite relevant for for going for the combo The wombo combo charge effect here trying to use your pieces in a mixed arms way to create synergies I appreciate this. I appreciate the nod To the that sort of thing. So let's talk about the actual weapon profiles Okay, all of them have a range of six inch men Which is funny that we're still keeping that on some things like we're sticking with the minimums on on on a very few war scrolls We have to write a bunch of rules for this thing used on like what four war scrolls Something like that have have minimally No, it's like the scrap launcher the plague catapult this thing Well, if it's a catapult then it's yeah, I guess it's just it's a catapult. It's a minimum six. That's it You can't it's gotta arc somewhere. Okay, like forget it Okay, anyways the culler of of torment 2d6 attacks 3 3s no run to damage the necrotic skulls four attacks 3 3s neg 1 2 damage and then the cursed steel one attack 2s 3s neg 2 d3 Plus three so we basically have sort of three different damage settings But obviously the other advantage here that shouldn't be understated is that the cursed steel does go Very far it has a 36 inch range at the far end as opposed to the cauldron thing, which is only 18 inches There's a big difference Read that by the way at like in my mind. I know it's easy to look at 2d6 attacks And think 12 or something like that like we all want to see that But in my sevens. Yeah, exactly. I read that as 741. That's how I'm looking at that, right? So when you're when you're sort of doing the math in your head, that's how you should be thinking about it Yeah, tyler. What do you think of the new and improved more tech crawler? Oh, is that me? So He's deep in thought. I don't I don't love it, which I'm excited about I'm glad that I don't love this thing I think it probably maybe it needs to be a little cheaper than 200 Uh, I dig the I dig the rules, you know the platonic ideal in action combined arms. Thank you as you said gw Yeah, it's a little high it's a little high And But yeah, I think you just need to come down a little bit. I don't I but have a hard time putting into my list right now That's where I'm at Okay, brennan. Where are you living with the heart with it with the crawler? I hate the shooting phase in general. It just doesn't work for me. Um The says the guy running 12 storm beans Hey, you had melee options with scaven and you you went the other direction. You made a choice It's a protest choice bence. There's a there's a there's a pattern I no one told they told me I had to play scaven. You didn't tell me what kind of Totally found 30 storm vermin. We're on the table. Okay, go ahead They even said storm was the first word. It's basically the same unit. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, no differences whatsoever Like it's it's fine. You know, this this probably belongs at about 180 to 170 points. Yeah like one of the things that's maybe interesting is um Taking two to three of them with an osa factor and just seeing how much damage you can put down to as many units as possible Are you able to With the once it's spell right that allows you to pick up to three different units to benefit Can you pick the same one you could just do rend for all three? No, so rend is melee only Oh, it's melee only. Okay. Yeah, is that true? Okay, let's check here So the the catapult buff is six is explode. So the missile weapons don't have explosions The osa factor has to give it to them. Okay. It is melee only. All right That's probably good Yeah, so uh purple sun get get arc and maybe somebody that's passed out a reliable purple sun. We're now cooking with gas. Yeah So Yeah, it's it's a possibility. Um, I don't know that that's what you're gonna lean to but sure I mean you can I there's there's better stuff um You know like you can take a catapult as a support piece and feel okay about it Right. Yeah Yeah, that's like that. That's the minimum threshold, right? You want to see a lot of lists that has at least one of these things And I just don't know if many lists are going to have one of these things at 200 Which I hate to say because yeah Screw shooting like shooting shoot somebody on the show has been preaching from the from the ramparts for years That shooting needs to be expensive Somebody yeah, my storm beans are like 320 points. So Yeah Expensive achieved. Yeah Yeah, I mean I'll take the counterpoint here slightly that that I do think it's quite strong because Three up strike last on your turn is a strike last effect. Yeah, I think that's what it comes down to You know like yeah, the actual damage you get out of it is like Passable at best. Let's be honest. Okay um, you're you're taking it because It's just targeting them. You don't have to actually hit or wound or anything. Yeah the strike last effect That's very potent. If it was like you If it was a wound is allocated Right and a successful wound is yeah, then you just go. Oh, yeah, then I'd be living in your camp completely Okay, yeah, but the fact that I can just go that unit At range like when we had this on melee keepers everybody lost their minds for a year Okay, and now I'm just passing this out at 36 All over the place. Yeah, hold on. It was on a two up fans Post FAQ it went to a three up. But yes, you're correct. It was on a two up But that's my point. You can hand this out theoretically in multiples although I do think that's probably an over investment Yeah, because you really don't need to make that many units strike last you need to make that unit strike last Take three of them you pick every unit Right. Yeah, and like it's just it's a classic That's a classic tale of like hat on a hat, right? I mean what what running keepers with strike last for that long taught me was that I don't need to make their whole army strike last I need to make this one unit that I plan to to decimate strike last right Uh colloquial modern version of decimate not classic roman version of decimate Uh, so I Yeah, I don't have a good intuitive sense of how important or how meaningful strike last is to obr specifically With the nature of the sorry. I mean, I don't think you'd have a better sense of that I also of course, I I mean, I hate the 200 points if you're just telling me events that I'm looking for a three up That's my 200 point investment. Can I roll a three up? Yeah? I mean, sure. That's that's all fine. Like it's still a It's still also some range damage that puts some pressure on to move around Yeah, and not just like leave individual dorky heroes Hanging out on a point by themselves with their butts flapping in the wind, right? Like it does give you some ability to threaten crap behavior like that, right? Yeah, two up three up rents who's d3 plus three. Let's see what happens Right. Yeah, like like if somebody like how often Do do people often in late game just leave little dorky five wound heroes sitting on a point to be a deck chair sitter, right? Uh, yeah, I'm you know, I'm you're not selling me two or three up. That's not a miss. Am I in my eight years of playing? I don't know. I don't want a game. You can start playing We all know a single shooting attack is very likely to miss, but I'm but like at least The reality of the thing I've used enough true Lord ancients to know that this doesn't work. Yes So All right, I don't I don't want to be on this side, but I think it's a little too high Which I hate to say I hate to say sure. All right. Let's move on to the harvester your monster In this army proper Not counting to gosh again Uh, our can has a monster get out of here. He does have a all right fair point. He does have a monster underneath him That's fair. I'm not swinging that dude into to I'm trying very hard not to ever roar with archon Let me just say that My goal is that he never needs to use roar Try anything But yeah, exactly because i'm only going into like chaff units that i'm trying to instantly murderize for to heal my six wounds Okay, uh So at any rate the the harvester he does harvester things He puts stuff back or heals wounds Um, it depends on the wounds characteristic of the thing being picked Right and and the range has been up to six inches instead of three. Yes Uh, he still has a little bit of a range profile It doesn't matter and he's still a pretty decent little little fighter in melee again Nothing to write home about but he's like he can hold his own. He's he's got some damage Yeah, um At 210 points again 10 wounds on a four up save. He is sort of the worst Case scenario with wounds, but it doesn't really matter that much with him um So where there's gotta be there's gotta be a an economics argument here more tech guard and harvester What what do the economics say? on On the heart are we are we getting a more efficient choice? And including a harvester as opposed to just taking more more tech guard or whatever But I guess in particular more tech guard Um, I think so it's your it's your out of phase healing right, you know the You've effectively given your unit a you know, it's it's a four up six up four up You know from from dying like yeah, there's there's some returning mechanics and 3.0 that are very specific, but You know The model still comes back Just slightly differently You know and and then it's also a four up on what you kill Uh to put your unit back on the table like You know that's that's boy. That's bad. It's immediately. Yeah, that it's rolling. I see each time a slay model. Yeah, yeah I've always been impressed by this thing like every time I played over on there's one of these things in the list Oh, it's so annoying. You know, I prioritize it a little bit. You do. Yeah It's like it immediately goes to the number one target number one and number one on the party list And yeah, if you don't have range projection, it's an absolute pain. Yeah, because In my mind the value that this thing returns is so outsized over what it exists as like How it lets you play is so different in what it's actually achieving That's very funny. Um, daniel schreiber worth noting the harvester can be reinforced I went I had to go look in the book. It seems they forgot the single word Oops From the the thing so confirmed it to say it does not have the single word in there Again, I would be highly willing to bet that this gets Single stapled to it in an FAQ and that that is an We still have reinforceable blood thirsters. Yeah Well, we haven't got a formal Corn FAQ yet, so they can fix it whenever they want vince. It's digital They can do it right now This moment it just got posted. There it is Let me let you know a secret. It's going to be single on the bloodthirster I don't know that but I know that right like this. That's one of those things Um, yeah, I mean the harvester Regardless of a reinforcement thing that's most likely an error in my mind like I don't know It here's what I'll say In most versions of the army that I would see myself running Or like and not that I would actually play this army ever because I truly hate this army But Like if I'm building a list in my mind because that's what we all do when we read these books, right? You build a list in your head regardless of your desire to play it And in almost every sort of version of the list that I crack together in my head This dude showing up in the list He just is I I just think the utility this guy brings the table is so high and At a deeper level. I don't care if he becomes a pin cushion or the focus fire piece Um, yeah at the end of the world. Yeah, if I'm making those choices for my enemy. I'm actually pretty happy about it Yeah Yeah, so this dude's all upside to me like That's that's where I live on him and 210 is is fine. Like I don't feel like I'm overpaying for that It's fine. Yeah, he every every time I play against it creates that weird damned if you do damned if you don't situation I don't want to be shooting at this thing with you know, 10 bows nags or six long strikes or whatever the hell But yeah, because you just put some real heat into him to bring him down It's not like you can just like plink him with a few ungore. Yeah, you know, but it was or something He's not that he's got really not I dig the melee profile. I don't think he was this good brendon And his old melee profile. This seems pretty pretty tasty. It was this good. It was this good He was better because uh, he did mortal wounds as well, but also now six is explode. So Yeah, but now now you don't like lose out for taking sides on your hands because before you took the bludgeons and And that was the only choice Right the sides were plus one to hit if it was a unit of five or more and you were already plus one to hit so right Uh, yeah Yet another great war scroll improvement like just I would love to see all scrolls go to this And that's something we really didn't hit on you I think brendon you mentioned it a little bit. It is worth hammering in on just a moment more I really like how much they cleaned up a lot of these scrolls and simplified a lot of the effects while still making them Feel good and relevant and effectual Um without like the overwritten overwrought nonsense that was on some of these scrolls in the past Like I just appreciate the cleanliness of a solid 3.0 tome and I think this like thank you Just yep Sickles or bludgeons. This is the profile go nuts. Have a good time. Like here. We are and also six is double tap now because that's just how this works so So good great excellent Uh, okay Cool, um The morgast Are big swooned flyers. They're both elite. They're both 240 for two They're both battle line with either negash or arkan as you are General, um, so there's a way to take these guys as a battle line I'll be honest. I didn't I like these guys, but I didn't really think about them too deeply. I mean Hit me brendon with a breakdown these guys. I I didn't have time to ingest these guys fully So, you know, are these guys showing up in a list? What's what's the what's the breakdown here? I think they're interesting. Um, so I I think there's a place to run a A 224 list where They're they're your battle line. You include arkan you include an asa factor. I mean, that's most your list, but um That enemy units cannot receive command abilities. What are commands while they're within three inches of any of these units is nuts um It's Cance inspiring presence. You can't all defense. You can't all out attack I get all my buffs and you get nothing. Yeah Um It's that's that's quite good Um Charge unmodified charges of eight up you get strikes first. That's fine Uh, the arch. I get a five up board if they're wholly within 12 inches of bone reaper heroes And then the harbingers can deploy off board, which I don't rate very highly um You know just just because like I don't know. Um That's fine. I guess um Again at 240 probably a little spendy but You get them buffed up right and they they do a lot of damage and That's really good. Um This is a this is a good unit for the counter charge and mortis praetorians as well Um Because you can just kind of use them as the looming precautionary threat of Hey, if you if you come near some of this other stuff, they're just a little too far away If you come near some of this other stuff I'm gonna roll this eight up and I'm gonna strike first and you know, you don't know that you're gonna roll the eight up But you go remember on my worst scroll I have if I roll an eight plus on my charge It's just slightly below average I get the swing first and then your unit gets to die of Yeah, it is quite a rattlesnake. I'll say that you like just the potential for that to happen is scary You're not wrong. It should also be stated. Remember these guys are hecatos So if you don't go with the counter charge strategy like brennan's describing and petrofex elite They become their next one to be damaged. So like that's yeah, also quite also good. Yeah So I I don't know my problem with these guys has always been the wound count versus the points That's fair, you know, like it's 12 wounds for 240 points. It's It's roof and you have even like your board control problem becomes even more Uh more problem. Yeah, even more pronounced than what you were dealing with with a sort of guard Uh stalker army we were talking about earlier. So it's like, yeah I don't yeah, they're gonna Can't score if you're dead That's a good point. That's good. They've always been the stub child of the army and I think they're still gonna have a hard time making the cuts But yeah, I archive definitely stand out to me in terms of the options here. Yeah for what melancholy just said They're they're much much closer to being A real legitimate option in what? Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I really love the I appreciate a neg two run three damage weapon. Let me just say that Okay, like that's that's a good. That's a good. That's a good profile I mean you can get it to to rend three with an osa factor rend four with bludgeon like Uh, you're just ripping through star drakes left and right. Sure Live in the dream rend four. Just just live in the dream Get out of here cragnos Uh That would be very fun to just like buff those guys and plow that stupid centaur off the table I do it You can't all out defense you just That's right. That's right Uh, okay Cool. Let's talk uh endless spells Three endless spells, of course There's the nightmare predator Who is good? But not what we're gonna talk about. Yes, so What what amazes me about the nightmare predator? Can I just talk about this real quick? I want to say here's my thing to say about the nightmare predator So first of all, he does have a 20 inch threat range, which is impressive for a spell like very good And and it's better than most damage Endless spells and he does do some some decent dish damage hitting both the models He moves across and and one unit he lands within an inch of so he is a realistic threat To actually do damage turn one, which is cool I like endless spells that can actually hit the enemy lines turn one and he can do that He's not going to pass over a lot of stuff. Um, although it's very funny if they have pregame moves Then he becomes even more hilarious Uh, but What amazes me about this is not that Is is not his damage potential is range It's that he isn't the most expensive end the spell That they didn't invert it and make him like 80 points was the shock Sure Because normally the the worst one is the most expensive like almost always right totally Yeah, and he is the worst one and he's still pretty decent I don't I don't want to like poop on this guy. He's season Nice guy, but really Really, let's talk about where the big show is which is the next two endless spells. Here we go They're so dumb. Yeah. Okay Okay Soul stealer carry on your bird. So it's Bone guy and bird Uh, so the bird AVR century That's what matters. All right Uh, first of all Brendan, what's what's the range on soul stealer carrying? Where can I set this guy up? Unlimited Um You can set it up anywhere on the battlefield that's visible to caster more than one inches from basically everything Uh-huh, uh-huh So so strong right out of the gate Just like can you see it? Then you can be it. Okay, great. That's a good start Yep, what does this thing actually do that I can throw anywhere on the battlefield? Well Models with a wounds characteristic of one or two that are within six inches of this endless spell Cannot contest objectives This has no effect on obr units Seems good. I'm sorry. What? So remember that board control problem you were talking about. Yeah. Yeah, exactly like that is so wild man like 40 points for an endless for sorry for an unlimited range endless spell That just shuts off All one and two wound models from contesting Holy crap on a cracker The only thing I'll say I'm very grateful that these this one and the next one are not on cast valleys of eight Which is what I might have expected based on some of the past Choices where they're like impossible to dispel Oh, sure. You can get rid of these things on average rolls or below average rolls as it might be for the next one Yeah, yeah, I mean you still gotta roll the seven Which is like, okay. Yeah, it's not the most impossible thing, but it's also not the easiest thing like it's You have a still a quite reasonable chance of failure trying to dispel it And if this thing sticks around for another time like boy, oh boy, is that a bad day for you As your models are just sitting there not counting and dying Okay So now let's get to yes, so Now we get to many faces you watch that way because you have many faces. Okay, the bone ties shrieker um all right So Casting value of five and a range of 12 inches and it's predatory with an eight inch fly I appreciate this change By the bite the fact that both of their mobile spells that want to go or zip a zip around Have a 20 inch range that they can be set up in Yeah, I would love to see this with the normal endless spells that are completely underwhelming on damage And also have needlessly short ranges Set up. Yeah, okay at any rate cool good What does this thing do? well A lot Like probably too much for 50 points But specifically Units cannot receive the inspiring presence or rally commands while they're within 12 inches of this endless spell No effect on your own. It's not that you care about the inspiring presence on its own That might be worth 50 points. Sure. I would we could stop there and I'd be like, this is a good endless spell I support this. I love turning off rally. I'm in for turning off rally. Let's just kill it all Let's turn it off from the game So great Uh, but then no, I was like, oh wait, hold on. I still get to keep reading. Okay, and also also No escape subtract one from ward rolls For units within 12 inches of this endless spell. This ability has no effect on aussie arc bone reaper units Holy moly Cool. Cool. Cool. What's up? Nurgle? Are you doing over there, baby? Sure Everybody and their damn mother has a way to turn off wards in this game now I swear with these battle terms coming out Nurgle was never better than the day it launched. That was it. That was the pink. It's I I think your whole prediction like you had insider track information on how nurgle's win rate's going to come The books were cooked on that prediction. I'm not a mini defeat even if I'm wrong. Sure. Sure. No, no sense Uh, thank you. Thank you. I'm glad to see that, uh The haters have come around to all my haters. I love you. All right, so No, I mean look this endless spell is so good now There it's so um It's so Ridiculously good for 50 points. There was a question Keith rogers. Does our con still increase the setup range of these dudads by six inches? I believe so. Yes Yeah, because the spell to some of them should should like the range should still have spells and endless spells. Let's say At six of the range of spells cast by death wizard totally than 18 Yeah, we would guess this has come up before when it just says spells like that it and I think there was like I think A while back we had an answer in the FAQ that separated it that said it wouldn't but now I think it would I don't I don't know like I it's probably worth another FAQ just to make sure But like how I read this one. Yes, it would because it's responding to a standard range breakdown But I could be wrong there um Always still worth an FAQ sure All right, close it out on the bone tithe nexus uh Brendan which one you pick the terrain ease. Yes. Yeah, which which Which head are you firing off in most cases? What do you what do you want here? So I I actually really like the way that they changed it where it's just units within instead of holy within um That that's good. Um I like that they standardize the range. I like that they standardize the trigger conditioned for it. I think that's awesome Um, I I think your most likely ones that you are going to be handing out Um is the punishment of agony Uh four up minus one to hit rolls And probably the punishment of lethargy four up minus Minus three from charge rolls and that unit can't run Yuck Hope you like to be minus six Yeah, I mean We waited until the end to get to this point, but this is really important. Let me tell you what man I'm rolling at that punishment of lethargy Every time and twice on sunday if you'll let me like are you for real over here If that's combined with that neg three charge and that goes off. You just aren't getting charged That's so much worse Than what the than what the demon corn prince of dumbness used to do Next six is insane It's insane You're three inches away and you have to land a nine inch charge. Like correct Yeah Just a just a very normal thing to happen uh Yes, every charge becomes a long bomb charge everyone they all do It's it's not every charge Right, so so the punishment of lethargy is just one unit. Correct. Um To get that extra three, right? It's a four up. It's a three up if you kill something near it It's it's not automatic, but the minus three from the command trait is it is. Yeah I'm just saying i'm i'm i'm rolling that die. Yes, I agree. It's not it's not the oral one It is just one unit, but man Uh interesting thing most of the time people have a hammer unit They're trying to bring toward you That they're the craziest thing. Yeah, who would have guessed Yeah, so like you pretty much often know What you're trying to get at with that so It feels like most of time I would know which one i'm gonna target with that and if it goes off i'm in a good place Amen That is a talk about a coin flip Uh You know, this is a no country for old men situation What's the most you've ever bet on a coin flip? You know like good lord this This love that baby. Yeah, because if the coin ends in your favor their hammer units just dead Yeah Right seems seems good So so that's Pretty strong for yeah, it's all right. It's not bad the a free training piece. That's like massive cool Yeah, and you and you're allowed to replace pieces of terrain on the board with it Yeah, like that's that's just part of the setup rules Like oh you can't fit it. You just take a piece of terrain off the board Yep all right, so Overall, let's let's close out here. Let's take a just a quick five minutes to sum up Uh, let me explain another would take too long. Let me sum up. Okay, so um The Overall my feeling on this is I like I like I said at the beginning. I think this is like a it's a strong army It does have some clear Achilles heels, which I like. I like that design I feel like there are a couple things in here. We talked about it with like nulmerid Uh, this the the lethargy that I just talked about but there's some other effects that I feel like are a little bit too strong of like Boy You get this off and somebody has like a really terrible day or you meet the right or wrong army and somebody has a really terrible day And I wouldn't rather see them flatten those just a little Um, but for the most part, I do like the core of this army. I like how synergistic it is I like how well it uses command abilities and I think it'll be In a lot of games not every game And there'll be some games. I just think like the np is overwhelming against this army And it makes people really mad and kind of like not have a good time But I think in most games, it'll be a very fun Army to try to like pick apart and crack and expose its weaknesses and stuff like that and it'll give a good game That's that's why I read on it Tyler, what do you think and then I'll let Brendan close this out? Yeah, as you're saying that it's one thing that's pumped through my head is this army as one of the test cases for More casual players or casual competitive players Maybe so-so pros My maybe he's gonna make that merch, right? Oh my god That was incredible It's it's yeah, like I hope he understands like he's on a goldmine That this I find this army in a shing test case For that broader player base in terms of the experience that they have with this army, right? Like we're going through this with our community right now our local player base says this odd mix of newer players I don't know. Maybe it's not so odd, but it's like it's very Defined on each end of the spectrum newer and then highly experienced players, right? Sure And so we have most of our players locally a lot of our players locally are losing a lot of games And then we have a smaller number of players who've been playing forever attics forever who are winning a lot of games, right? Yeah, and then so that creates this weird Situation and I do worry that it was yark May be one of those armies where a number of casual casual competitive players They play it and they have that negative play experience for what it like. I can't do anything against this army I'm dead by turn two blah blah blah, right? Sure. So maybe that maybe that's a general description for A number of armies in the state of the game. I don't know like I told you last episode I feel a little out of touch with like Where are we in this ecosystem? Like how healthy are we right now? Which maybe that would be a good show to try to get up to speed on where we are right now Once we get to these battle tone reviews. Yeah But I just yeah, but anyway, that's one of the general concerns that I have with the book but overall As an addict of eight years I love this battle tone because I do see a lot of constraints A lot of ways to play against it, but it's also very strong. It's really interesting. It fits the theme It's flavorful. We'd love to see more war scrolls to fill it out a little bit more But yeah, and it's got a few edge cases that maybe a few points that are off A few things maybe a little too strong, but yeah pretty good overall Okay, brendon close us out Overall pretty happy. Uh, the thing that's most important is that the the book feels like it's supposed to Um, if if everything feels the way it's supposed to the points will end up where they need to end up Um, you know the we have a quarterly adjustments And they've demonstrated a willingness to try and move things into that that 45 to 55 percent win rate range Um, so as long as a normal number of players are playing it, you're going to get a result that is normal Um, and not just a bunch of super competitive everyone can win with it kind of things. Um I I think there's only one war scroll in the battle tone. That's just outright junk And it's the soul reaper. I think everything else. There's a case and an argument to be made Um, so for those of you that don't know I'm on a podcast, uh, cupic shenanigans Where my co-host dan is kind of the voice of the everyman People who attend tournaments and are looking to win more games and they lose right go go about three and two and And the that three and two state Is what's most important in my mind Um, where you can take basically any war scroll you want in your list because you like it or whatever you can build around it um You can take it and not feel like that you are Going to to fall into that two and three category where you're gonna where you're gonna lose more games than you win Um, there's really only one war scroll that that doesn't fit that place. We didn't talk about mere kynan Mere kynan is good. Oh, yeah Yeah, like it's It's a cool book. The mechanics are cool It's a very rewarding play style if you want to invest the time into understanding how all of it works um, I'm really excited to You know to try and learn more the more and more of the mechanics. I love the death grand alliance This is my favorite army within that It it does some cool stuff. There's a cool aesthetic that I really enjoy the play style is really neat Um, I don't like the shooting phase in general So an army that like is heavily oriented wholly within the combat phase We're gonna pretend catapults don't exist You know like like I I get to do that I like there's there's not really teleport shenanigans like it's it's as honest of a game of war hammer as you can as you can play Um, this is where my stuff is it moves four inches I can do a little bit more than that but at the end of the day like it's what it is and You're you're either gonna beat me straight up or you won't Nice. All right. Very good. Well, what do you think? Tell us put it in the comments. Tell me so are you think this army's gonna fall all that kind of stuff? Uh, thank you so much for watching everybody. Thank you, brendon. Absolutely appreciate having you on again. Great time I can't wait until you're rolling dice on my table, which will be hopefully not too long in the future Sooner than later. Yeah, absolutely, man. I'm looking forward to it. Uh You're you're gonna we'll get you right in the normal crew. It's gonna be great. You'll you'll you'll love it. All right Uh, so out there. Hey hit that like button. Why not? It's so easy It's it helps other people find the show and it costs you absolutely nothing They looking right next to that there's that little subscribe button click that thing too. Aren't those so easy to do Uh, we those really help everybody else find the channel Uh and help, you know, youtube and engagement and algorithms and I don't know math So that's all fun. 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