 Thank you for staying with us. You're still on the breakfast and plus severe Africa and now it's time for our second hot topic President in a board has unveiled bold vision for green at Nigeria at Cup 28 So as we know President in a bone at about 1,411 delegates were present at Cup 28 and now he has unveiled a bold vision for Nigeria I have with me Dr. The Chairman Guild of Public Affairs and a list of Nigeria in a good chapter. Good morning, sir. Thank you for joining us Thank you. Thank you for the correction. Thank you for joining us sir. Good morning. How are you? Thank you. Okay, so let's get straight into it The precedence is unveiled a bold vision for green at Nigeria and in all of this He was talking about ending gas flaring as well as rolling out some buses. What do you think of all of this? I Have some extreme views about these talks about climate change Carbon emissions carbon credits greenhouse talk, you know For me, they are not something at Nigeria. She will participate in at all They are all cliches and not it is from the West to try to stifle us from using Natural resources to grow industries and to grow our economy for 500 centuries also, you know, how has been using Fossil fuel to develop their industries not a mobile industry that still plans The pharmaceuticals all the industry you can think of today. They have used the the mining and exploitation of Natural resources of different countries as even in Africa. They were used in planting our slaves where from Africa were using plantations our school was used transported from a new one other places to Europe to be used for the industries and then when the exploitation of food or is started they used it again And I've been using it and then they use it to develop their countries for 500 years And then all of a sudden they come I have the capacity to tell us now Oh, this is why we are trying to develop our own now. There's an old the the earth's gray layer is almost gone There's too much of carbon emission. You have to cut down. Don't do this I think the top world countries should be more second-spec sort of fact that these Kyoto Kyoto protocol come 28 conferences and all those things and not for good for Africa and other developing a Continent or countries and You know narratives pushed by the West who have created some alternative energy and they're trying to force it down the throat of Developing countries so that they can buy the expensive alternative energy and then you know Make more profit from it. It is no way and they can tell us the now and then unfortunately that pushed the scientific You know knowledge narrative by publishing in journals by the research they have done so and over the years We have found out that some researchers were actually doctors to favor economic growth of Europe So for Africa that's what we really want. We want industrialization We want economic growth and we cannot be part of A conference that says we should not use our food oil. We should not use our gas We should not use our coal these things We should not be part of them. So be part of them already negates our economic growth. I think what's Tinnable sedatives of glass flaring is okay now who flares the gas The oil exploitation in Nigeria has been done and all over Africa and in most places of the world I've actually been done by these European companies that are telling us that there's too much of a of a gas emission of a carbon emission and who are the biggest Spoilers of a good oil and the fossil fuel in the world. We talk of mobile mobile is an American company We talk of Chevrolet Chevrolet is an American company. We talk of total is a French company We talk of any is an Italian company. We talk of shell is a British company Then we order places like gas bomb of Russia and to Europe has been the most pollutants of the world So what are they telling us? So my dear president should be talking about If we are not flaring the gas are we converting the gas? Nobody should tell us not to use the gas We should convert the gas to be able to use it for other things That is only way I can align with what the president has said but by the electric cars Same Pledge that you buy electric cars from you electric cars that you're not producing. What are you going to do with your fuel? I know the paradoxical thing about all this talk Is that why you and America United States of America telling us to cut on this cut on that The major the major use of fuel is to buy these countries by forcing fuel Remember what happened last year? While Russia was having issues with you and refused to supply them gas what did you only do? Jeremy with all the alternative energy whatever they're called clean. I don't know what is clean about the energy There's nothing like clean energy All energy have their own You know, I love their own outside Hey, so there's nothing like clean. There's no energy that is clean. Let's just stop dissimilar with all these Caritonics. Okay. Now generally We especially for that narrative. Do you know that generally use cold plants? Cold cold use cold last year to power their homes for or for to reach their home systems So what are we talking about? All right, so after calling Are you saying that nine days should be cut out? So you talked about 500 years ago that Europeans have used all of this But could it be that they are more enlightening now and we still need to save our planet And if you're if you're saying that Nigeria should shut out, you know, everything that we're being told What does that do to the planet? I only say 500 years ago. I say they started 500 years ago. They are still doing it I just told you about how the major polluters of the at the major companies go by by these European countries and the united states So you use the word so a little bit involved. They're still involved. They're still involved in it So we should tell the rest of the world what China is doing. I like China and India China The east and the west is actually China is polluting the world and the world is in danger. China said Let us develop our own our own industries The response of India was that Oh fine When we pollute the world up to the points that you Europeans polluted the world, then maybe we can stop But you cannot tell me that the world is in danger And you have you have you know used you were the one that put the world in danger Then you told me to stop so that the world danger of the world if we perish in the danger Let us all perish after all civilizations Parish so we should not tell us about I don't even agree with them. That's why in danger Because what is the carbon admission from Nigeria? How many does does does does Nigeria have? How many does this are in Africa? The major pollutants of these industries are in euro that was still depleting that have come to us and sell us narrative and they are still doing the opposite So what do I what Africa is has gone there to do? Nigeria go where it's a large delegation. I don't know where they came from to do what What is the green idea what we are we use our hydro are we finish using our hydro energy? Are you to finish using our gas to power our our energy needs? Are you suggesting are you suggesting? Are you suggesting that we should not even align? Are you suggesting that we should not even align with this? Global group that is trying to do something about this climate change Do you think that we should stand alone and still do what we need to do to develop our country without having to join the hands with them? Absolutely All we need to do is that the way code was used 100 years ago Why do you mind started in NNU for the price of relative value? It's not the way code should be used now. There are modern technologies in the use of those things all we need to do is to adopt the modern technologies To ensure that the emissions and all things are minimal We adopt, you know, latest technologies to bring down this thing. What are we talking about? We're selling Nigerians of African countries who have bad pollution when you're exploiting a food oil In other places, you hardly help that and there are technologies now that clean up the pollution What because of the factor Nigerian factor we don't even clean up our own pollution And who causes this pollution in the same America and Europe that's telling us about a clean energy You're not at the protein fracking another method of exploiting the mineral resources down there, which is dangerous to the earth Go to By the mining sites some of the mining sites in America. I'm coming up that we are banned on And the most of some of them and so what we are saying is this We have to engage the global community with our interests first Our interest first. Why are you telling me about the world? What has the world done for me? What has the world done for Nigeria? The world has come to exploit Nigeria permanently from the days of slavery And this is the people telling you don't use your natural resources and they are using their own The oil reserve the fuel reserve of the united states of america is far more I think all the reserve of the whole african african continent all together So who will use your idea are reserving have that closed down their own Their own company the use of their own a fossil fuel they have not they are still using it So and they are introducing it to taste like electric cars and because they are producing and testing But we are not producing on any of these things and they want us to buy solar energy at the best of its enterprise And they want us to buy other alternative energy of better so because they are producing it and pushing it down to us So this thing should stop Nigeria should be up like india Nigeria should be up like china Because these are emerging global powers and because they're not aligned with all those things They are still producing with their fossil fuel So all these talks we should know how we can use The latest technology and instrumentalities of ai and other technologies that are coming up now to see how we can minimize Our the dangers that you know emanate more but telling me that we should not use our fossil fuel that is dangerous This and that is not what we should be involved in now. Let us focus on industrial and revolution Okay, so let's talk about the environmental hazard that this could pose for instance in protocols We know about the suits and this is coming from gas flaring How do we mitigate all of this to ensure that the people are even safe if we don't apply these measures that are being Adviced to us by the experts You know if it's got diagnosed with it's actually Are you supposed to flag us? Yeah, we do only country that That is exploiting and refining gas Are we really people that have put all your resources other places don't you don't flag as gas flaring is an anathema Gas flooding is a thing of the past for the past 30 years. Many countries are not flaring gas Gas to those things you are flaring are trying money that you can convert to other use So it's only in Nigeria we flag us I don't know what's wrong with us as a country only suits. I I grew up in worry So you don't need to tell me about suit and my uniform was white and white There's what you call acid rain those days where we're where we're young boys You are we are going to call it as a because all your clothes some of them will prefer your clothes You have suits, you know docks all over your school uniform and some of them refuse to go with some of them So I experienced it first time and that is because there's glass glass flaring and who is flaring the gas European country The European companies and American companies working in Nigeria and in Nigeria Why their countries are not even sanctioning them? If Nigeria even lacks the willpower to sanction them, which has been happening over the years The operative countries have no chance to sanction them. So that's to show the hypocrisy of all this narrative It's hypocritical and Africa should see through the transcript all these You know charades we call Meetings and therefore also go to buy a thousand one thousand four hundred and eleven delegates makes a smacks of And then the hypocrites of the whole thing and it looks like I think we don't know what we are doing Okay, what about this argument that while they're talking about climate change on the one hand They're also asking for funding for critical sectors of our economy that will help us Fight this climate change and all that so something is coming to Nigeria. That's part of the argument What would you respond to that? We don't we don't need to fight climate change We don't have one climate change. We have we have white fires and we have you see when the simple I have you know, we have a lot of some narrative. We just buy it or latch on it That's how they told us that uh Pamoy was not good that is have high level restaurant only for them To come back in a in a journal some years or three years back to tell us it was an error As so many other things so we shouldn't be buying into all this narrative All we need we don't need it. We don't need funding for this thing. The funding. How does it come because in front of in form of aids So you pledge hundred million dollars to to help us come to uh aid our, you know, uh Clean energy reforms and the rest where we do energy come from you supply us the Equipments you supply us the machines you supply the technology of the bloke for that purpose and then we are only you So that means we are buying Look at Nigeria that cannot feed the citizens is talking about donating to a special fund by united nations to do for climate change Well, we will come back from this full area We can't even feed our citizens. Nigeria's are dying daily. We can't even give 24 hours for our supply We can't even have good juice no good hospitals We have uh intellectual trade our professionals are living because we can't pay them And then we we go to contribute funds or to ask them to bring fund for us I don't know who did this to african leaders actually. I I don't know but it's time to for the Uh people to really see through the line and save africa Oh, well comrade would like to thank you so much for bearing your mind to us this morning It's been a pleasure having you on the show. Thank you so much for being here with us Thank you. Thank you very much for having me Okay, we've been talking with the chairman the guild of public affairs analyst of Nigeria and in the person of comrade Igboke, he was talking to us from a lago state This is where we are going to wrap it up on the show this morning We do hope that you had a wonderful time Watching the program until we meet again tomorrow. My name is jamu I've got you. 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