 Hi, this is Stu Miniman with wikibond.org. Here with SiliconANGLE TV's live special coverage of the Brocade Tech Day. It's the industry analyst, the financial analyst, and a bunch of influencers in the networking space brought together to talk about some of the new innovations that Brocade's brought to market, as well as really talking about debating and sharing what's going on in the IT space, specifically on the networking side. And joining me for this segment is Ken Chang. Ken, first time on theCUBE, thank you for joining us. Thank you, thank you Stu, thank you for having me. Great, so Ken is the VP of service rider products at Brocade and service providers is really one of the big focuses that we're hearing at the show here in the presentations this morning. When you look at the segments of Ethernet, seems that service riders has some of the growth and also where some of the early adopters on innovative solutions and those willing to go beyond some of the old stuff are driving it. So, we had companies like Pete Colo on this morning, it was a service rider, service riders, and our segment after this we're going to have internet too who I know you worked real close with. So, Ken, last year when we came here, you started talking about open flow for service providers and to be honest some of us were scratching our heads and we're like open flow, I understand it, the academic world and the enterprise, but service providers, I'm not sure. Kind of fast forward to today and it's a big part of the discussion. So, can you take us back to kind of brocades, open flow and SDN work and especially the journey on the service provider side. Sure, thank you Stu. So, we actually announced our support publicly for open flow and SDN back in tactic in fact, of 2010, so that was exactly two years ago and two years later. Actually like two and a half years ago now, right? Two and a half years ago. So, two years later, I think now SDN is poised to fundamentally change networking in the profound way and we are absolutely leading the charge and we see a lot of service providers actually intrigued by the technology and they are truly trying to kind of understand what this technology can do for them because I think SDN fundamentally bring three benefits. Number one, network virtualization and number two, programmatic control of infrastructure and number three, yeast cloud orchestration. So, all three of these topics vary dear to service providers' hearts. It's important topics for them. So, many of them are trying to understand what the technology can do for them, what benefits they can get from it and how they can get started. Can I wonder if you could peel the onion for us a little bit, because when I think of the networking space, Orista is known for some of their kind of programmable environments. Juniper also have some things they can do there. You think of Brocade and it has really built your brand on the enterprise and the data center. So, what does Brocade have that brings them into this discussion of specifically the programmability in the service provider market? Yeah, I think two answers to you. One is that service provider really believes in that at least the early day of SDN is all about applying SDN open flow to specific applications. They want to build applications around SDN without ripping out their existing investment. Right, so that is why Brocade developed the open flow hybrid mode solution so that service provider can build virtual networks on top of their existing production network, effectively slide off a portion of the network to enable these new services without completely re-architecting their infrastructure. So, the second answer is that they want to work with Brocade because we are completely committed to support SDN in a standard way. Through the open flow standard, we implemented 1.0 today. We're going to implement 1.3. So, we are staying on track along the standards. So, investment of service providers can be completely protected. Okay, interesting because hybrid mode sounds interesting to me from the enterprise space because I've got all of that existing investment. Couple of service providers that you've worked with, I've talked about, we went from one gig, we wanted to go to 10 gig. We almost started from a clean slate. So, is the hybrid mode something that you're seeing deployed for the service providers and how do they go from that kind of the three tier, is it the three tier architecture or is there something different that you're talking about from a hybrid mode? Yeah, I think that the hybrid mode, you can deploy it inside a data center or you can deploy it in the wide area network. And for many of the service providers, that's actually very interesting. It can effectively create, allow them to create new services over the wide area network for their customers. They can specifically redirect certain flows along a different path. They can redirect flows to avoid a congested portion of the network. They can redirect long lift flows away from where there are business critical applications. So, there are many interesting applications that is applicable on the wide area network. Okay, so you announced some new updates with kind of your super core routing and the MLX platform, can you kind of share with us what's the announcement and what are the big trends that kind of led to some of these enhancements that you've brought? I think there are a lot of changes happening in the core networks. The growing traffic volume, increased speed of the network, the fragmentation of addresses, the migration to IPv6. So all of these are increasing the complexity of operations for the core networks and also driving the cost up. So what service providers are looking for really is simplify operations and reducing the cost per bit for traffic traversing through the core. So we have announced our super core routing solution by today introducing a purpose-built, high-density 10-gig interface module and also a reduced feature-set LOSR router to specifically bring massive scalability to core networks and at the same time, reduced the cost of both the CAPEX and the OPEX in the core. So over the last year, overlay networks has become kind of a really hot discussion in the networking space with VXLAN and NVGRE. And it seems like that has a real promise to help with things like the migration to IPv6 and we can keep some IPv4 in there as well as, if you talk about scalability, I can either just try to build something with a million VMs or I can create pods and I can isolate things. How do you see the discussion going with overlays versus just kind of massive scalable environments? Sure. Let me just first say that the way to handle the IPv6 migration really has to be a dual stack solution so that you handle IPv6 natively, you route IPv6 traffic natively in the network. I think overlay network is great in building virtualized networks and enable this creation of virtual networks and communities on top of your production networks. However, it is going to have a certain cost because you are encapsulating effectively traffic in an additional header inside the tunnel. Okay, so we are running low on time but there's one really interesting solution. There's many interesting things that Brocade announced but when you talk about massive amounts of data and scalable networks, you guys are actually looking to leverage the information on the network into a big data application itself. Absolutely. I believe it's called network analytics. Can you give us just kind of a brief description of what you saw, how you came to this and what network analytics is? Yeah, so this is probably one of the best kept secret in that Brocade actually have one of the industry's best analytic solutions in the sense that we offer service providers and enterprise customers the ability to set filters with the MRX analytic enabled router to filter information and feed into the analytic applications. And these applications can range from security applications, visualization application modeling applications and also allow these applications to dynamically change the filtering policy so that they can get the right data. And we have many service providers around the world has deployed our solutions and the reason they like our solutions is because it's highly scalable, it supports 10 gig, 100 gig networks and it supports fine grained filtering policies. So is this something that the network administrator uses or do you need to be a data scientist to be able to play with this solution? This is absolutely that something that network administrator can use working together with the analytic application managers. Great, so what do you see is Ken kind of wrapping up on this segment? Okay. What's the biggest opportunity for the service providers? You know, what kind of applications are they going to be able to really kind of give new business models for? You always talk, you know, it's one thing to have new speeds and feeds and technologies but it's, what can I do just totally differently? You know, what do you see as kind of the biggest opportunity in the service providers space that I maybe couldn't do in the traditional enterprise? Yes, so I think we are always going to be stayed at the forefront in terms of speeds and feeds in terms of high density 10 gig, 100 gig but we are increasingly going to focus on data center networking and also interconnecting data centers for cloud optimized networks. So we see that is the biggest opportunity. We see that's where SDN will bring tremendous value. That's why we committed to SDN. That's why we are leading the implementation of all these SDN and open flow technology. Build that into our switches and router portfolio. Okay, well Ken Chang, Brocade service provider group at the forefront of one of the largest growth areas in Ethernet technology, driving innovation and SDN in the service provider environment. Thank you for coming on theCUBE. This is Stu Miniman with wikibon.org, SiliconANGLE TVs live special coverage of the Brocade Tech Day. We'll be right back with our next guest.