 Okay, we're back here live inside theCUBE. This is SiliconANGLE's flagship program and go out to the events extracted from the noise. I'm John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE and I'm joined here with Mandy Wall, Senior Technical Evangelist from Ops Code, also known as the DevOps Diva coined by, was it Maureen who coined that? Yeah, Maureen coined that one. She's awesome. Welcome to theCUBE. Thanks, great to be here. Well, the folks that might not know SiliconANGLE and Wikibon, we love DevOps. We've been focusing on DevOps now for four years. Before it was DevOps, we just called it IO-centric infrastructure and Ops Code is doing some great work in there, but the DevOps really came out of, this is, to me, a DevOps show. I mean, Velocity is a DevOps show because DevOps enables what Velocity is doing which is integrating design from the edge, user experience back into the cloud and or infrastructure. And everything in between, performance management, web and mobile, and has been validated. Don't you think, I mean, DevOps has been validated? No, absolutely, over the past several years we've seen much more uptick in not just our core pieces of the marketplace in the web shops and the web startups, but also more of an interest in consumer-facing enterprise where they're really interested in improving their relationships and their performance for their customers as people expect more out of their digital experiences. What's the biggest thing that you think people get confused by when they think of DevOps? Because I've now seen DevOps start to trickle into the nomenclature of IT which is private cloud or on-premise data centers. And they're all realizing, hey, there's some inefficiencies with our data center. We have a footprint issue, heat cooling, powering cooling and it's all goodness to get to the cloud. It's not pure cloud, but there'll be a hybrid. But they all are now using that kind of DevOps word. DevOps, Washington, I guess they're doing. What's your take on that? So I think one of the biggest frustrations for us coming into a customer who's interested in sort of DevOps is the approach that sort of emerged where DevOps is a replacement for operations. And that's not really what it's meant to be. I mean, the whole idea was that your successful projects, your successful products that you're putting in front of your customers are fully integrated and everyone who touches that product over its lifecycle cradle to grave, whether it's development, product management, operations. Those folks are focused on efficiencies and performance and all of these good relationships across all these teams. And we see too many folks that have seen the DevOps but only heard the ops part and have missed out on actually integrating with Dev and making those relationships stronger. So let's talk about the ingredients of a good DevOps. If someone's a chef of the future, if you will. Pun intended. There are ingredients, APIs that are obviously strategic in that and looking at designing, whether you've got a Hadoop distribution for a batch store or you want to run something in the cloud. You really have to kind of put an API system on top of it but you really got to have provisioning and orchestration nailed. So can you share with us your perspective of for the folks out there who are looking at designing multi-dimensional elements in their data center in cloud, which would include I got big data with Hadoop, I got a little of DynamoDB, I got this over here. This diversity in technologies under the API layer, if you will. And then you got security, you got other things, but provisioning and orchestration is an interesting phenomenon with virtualization. So could you share, what's the current trend in that area? So it's definitely parts of the marketplace that are still emerging because everyone sort of has their own idea of what provisioning actually means, what orchestration they actually think they need and what they actually do need. Sort of the first run at things, the hardest part is breaking down those silos. Like making services available over APIs is a good start towards starting conversations with teams that haven't really been involved with what we've been calling DevOps since the DevOps name sort of connotates that's really just dev and operations, but there's security teams, there's networking teams, there's your data center services folks. All of their processes can be made more efficient with the same principles that we're looking at in provisioning and orchestration, having APIs, having sort of canned services that are available so that if folks stick with the menu, they get things really, really easily. And if they want something special, then it has to be a discussion, but actually facilitating the right way to do things. But that's the challenge, in cloud for instance, SLA is probably the hottest conversation. You really can't walk into a cloud conversation at any level without the conversation of what's your SLA? It's a value cloud, commodity cloud. I mean, pick your adjective and fud that's being kicked around. We had Edgecast on earlier, they're in the CDN business. I mean, they have no SLAs because if they're not 100% guaranteed uptime, they don't have customers. So the cloud will soon get there. So orchestration and provisioning, orchestration in particular has been a big topic. So automation is critical, right? So what is the trends in automation? Because that's a killer product that needs to evolve fast. Where would you grade that right now in the market with orchestration and automation? So automation and that sort of sort of the, it's still sort of very much a nascent product space at the core system automation has been around for a long time, but it hasn't done its best to keep up with the changes in system complexity and system evolution and the speed of those things as they've increased velocity. So as far as straight automation goes, I think we have good paradigms. There's still work to be done. There's still operating systems that aren't fully supported to the extent that they could be trying to bring more things into the fold. Orchestration is still a horizon to be conquered. It's a place where everyone's got very strict requirements on how they want their orchestration to be. And part of the success of the next generation of orchestration pieces is going to be partially sort of reeducation and resetting expectations and also sort of level setting in the next breed of that technology so that we can sort of meet in the middle and really move forward. On the service provider side, there's a lot of change and everyone obviously realized over the top services, whether it's got Facebook announcing video today, the AT&T guy is working on web app optimization, obviously Instagram videos are just going to choke the LTE network. So obviously efficiencies are critical, right? So service providers, what are they thinking about right now? Because the IT guys are still behind, I think, and certainly some advanced concepts being pioneered. And that's really with the service providers and the consumer companies. What are you seeing with those guys in terms of trends that they're watching closely? In DevOps. I think everyone's sort of paying attention to performance for virtualization and how that's continued to evolve to sort of meet the IO requirements of some of these bigger and more intense applications. So to a certain extent, not everything can be virtualized. You see a little bit of that from time to time. Just trying to find the right technologies to fit the needs and then grow those things to actually enhance customer expectations. So I got to know if you have any stickers and hugs left at the booth. We went down and just a couple of stickers. We really ran a swag this week. It's crazy. Endless hugs, though. Hugs are infinite. So let's talk Chef. What's the latest update with Chef? Tell us what's happening. We are continuing to push forward. So we announced Chef 11 at ChefConf in April. We've got lots of things going on there. We have some new features launching later in the year as we continue to help our customers meet their internal needs for their configuration management. Our folks are on the road helping folks, everybody else out, learning Chef. We're getting new documentation and other sort of evolutions in that space. And if people want to follow your Twitter handle is? I am LNXCHK. And tell me about why it says Cat Video Curation Services. That is the service I provide. Is that it? That's legit. So you are providing, are you charging us at a freemium? No, no, no. It's a free service? It's a free service. I post the best in cat videos. Absolutely. Mandy, great to have you on theCUBE. Great conversation. Final question for you is, you had your hand on the pulse with Chef. Obviously it's involved in a lot of developers like using it. And the ones that are doing that are on the head of the curve. Puppet's great for the enterprise as well. You guys have a nice competitive relationship, co-opetition, if you want to call it that. All on proponents of the same mission. But I want to ask you, what do you see happening around the corner? What are you looking at? What can, if you can peek around the corner on the trends with related to where OpsCode is, Chef, and this whole market. I mean, it's such a mainstream, obviously there's education involved, but what are you personally looking at and watching? And that's around the corner that we should be paying attention to. So I think at this point, based on some conversations I've had, not only here at Velocity, but with other folks in the industry, is that if we really want to help the enterprise in some of these more slow to evolve sort of organizations, somebody's going to come out with platform as a service behind the firewall, single solution for traditional IT to sort of set up, run a like sort of systems like for folks who can't get their stuff on the internet. And that's, if I could sell that right now, I'd be sitting pretty pretty, but. Yeah, and the testing and the dev side's good too. Yeah, that's another thing for our community in particular testing has been huge, making sure things are correct. It's all about building trust in your processes, making sure your workflows do exactly what you need. Mandy here inside the cube, this is where all the conversations are having, all the influencers, CEOs, developers, anyone who has a signal from the noise. That's what we do. This is the cube. We'll be right back with our next guest. Here we extract the signal from the noise to look at angles of the cube. We'll be right back after this short break.