 Good morning everybody, I hope you can hear me. Hello, my name is Kilian Clifford and I am the moderator for today's session. Now I'm just going to try and share my screen here with you. So welcome everybody to the ASPR summit here in Dublin or virtually as we are all joining it. My name is Kilian Clifford and I am the host for today's session. Now we have today, so I'm just going to stop sharing my screen because it's not working well. We have today a session on the ASPR philanthropy called Time, Talent and Treasure. So philanthropy is often defined as private contributions for public good. And we see it most obviously with large entities such as say Bill and Linda Gates Foundation or the Open Society Foundation. But philanthropy is more than just the provision of financial resources. It's about the three T's of time, talent and treasure. And here the ASPRs have a rich history in philanthropy whether it might be through mentoring, which is time, skills transfer, which is talent or indeed financial support, which is treasure. And through philanthropy, the ASPRs become important actors in sustainable development whether it might be at home or abroad. So today's session will examine this role more closely and explore some of the key trends and models for success. And from these learnings action will take place for key stakeholders in the area of the ASPR philanthropy will be provided. And the output from this session will feed into the output document for the summit, which is known as the future agenda document. And to facilitate that we have a action packed agenda. In a moment I'll be handing over to the session host Kingsley Aiken of the Networking Institute. Then we'll have a TED Talk video from Almas Negash of the African Diaspora Network. And we'll also hear from Jean Sanjeev Jossi Pura of Indiaspora, followed by an entire session. Jossi Pura to read her comments. And then we'll respond to the questions. We'll also explain the initial rules of the meeting. Many of you have already worked with Zoom. You'll be familiarized, but the session will be recorded. We ask that you turn off your microphones for us who are speaking. And we ask you to respect the limit of time that has been given to you. The interpretation is available through pressing a button from a world icon. You can see the options of the languages. There is also a chat dialogue where you can write questions and we can read these questions. Then we'll have an interactive session where you can raise your hand and ask questions in an oral way, or you can participate. Well, let's take a few minutes. Then we'll give the floor to Kinsley of the Networking Institute. Thank you very much. Good morning to all of you. Thank you to the OEM and to everyone for creating this event with such importance. In the background, I worked for 17 years with a financial organization of four years in the United States, but also in the whole world. I admit that the first event of this organization in New York was successful in an event that we had a little success. And we only had a second session to be able to pay the first 16 years. That's a lot of dollars in the background. I think we have to start little by little and then we can make great achievements. This money was stolen. And as you heard the definition of Kylian about philanthropy, time, the treasure and talent, they are private contributions for the public. And I like the definition of counting the shadows of the trees with which we don't go. But in a certain sense we have three legs, three pillars. We have a government sector and a private sector. And philanthropy has religious countries. But now we're going to sit in a period of great growth in the entire area of the industry, and one of the engines is the intergenerational transfer of wealth. There is a great effective level that is in the hands of people who are more than 60 years old and who have to see what they are going to do with this money. There is a great report written called the great transfer of wealth and in the United States there are only more than 30 dollars. They are going to transfer between generations from here to 2050. I mean, there is a lot of potential so that the day and night are part of this. And when we think about this wealth that is in the hands of individuals, and we think about where it is going to be distributed in the different generations. It's going to go to places, first to the children, to the young people who are going to inherit a lot of money is the history of life. And secondly, it could go to governments through tax systems. And thirdly, it's going to be donated in a philanthropic way. Sometimes we say that life is going from failures to achievements and from successes to something transformative. But when we start to reflect on our legacy, on the wealth that we leave, we see an advantage for the diaspora. And all of this. And now we are looking at structures to facilitate this transfer of wealth. The foundations of communities are fantastic. They started in the 1940s. They started all over the world. There are like 2,000 foundations in more than 70 countries around the world. But there are also new structures that have emerged, especially what we call funds accessed by donors. Last year in the United States, part of the deputies who defined the policies of donations were taken from a federal bank where funds were financed by people's contributions to finance the banking system and then distribute that money to philanthropic projects that they were interested in. And many of these can be in foreign countries, in countries of origin. There are many funds in the United States. There are more than 180,000 million of assets. Last year they distributed about 70,000 million in organizations. And this year nothing more. More than 2,000 million dollars in projects that are outside the United States. It's quite fascinating. Philanthropy is a key part of what we call the capital of the diaspora and of the resources available in the countries, regions and cities that are made up of flows of people, of knowledge and of money. So having worked so long in this organization that works with the fund system, I learned a series of important lessons about life events, so to speak, about finance. The first thing is that money is the oxygen of our organization and we can only collect money from those who have money. So this is a fact of life. And secondly, people give to the people who like it and who trust it to maintain a line. People close their business with people who trust it. In general, the Spanish don't give money. There is a process and the philanthropy of the diaspora is not given. It has to be recalled. It is not offered, it has to be asked. And to ask is one of the most powerful tools that we have in the arsenal of philanthropy of the diaspora. And this is not achieved in the office. This simply does not happen. We have to do it. And there is a model that exists that can be very useful to develop the philanthropy of the diaspora. And that is the United States and the model of ex-alumns of the university. There are two dimensions. The first is to collect money from a large number of people but small contributions. There are a large number of people. And there is a large amount of money from a few people. And what leads to all this is the recording campaigns. These campaigns are aimed to collect a little money from a few people in a limited time. And this is a very easy process that we have used in several years that we have worked in the diaspora of the philanthropy. It consists of four phases. The first is to find the question, where are they doing? And in the previous session we talked a little about the information and the importance of the statistics and the facts. So the investigation is not just to find out what someone could do but what they would do. That is, we have to find out what their abilities are and the interest. Because they may have great capacity but little interest in the diaspora of the philanthropy. The second phase of this program is to take people on a journey to a to establish them in a context that requires energy, empathy, requires the creation of friends and relationships and of course consumes a lot of time. The third phase is to ask. As I said, it is one of the most powerful tools to be able to ask. It is incredible the people who ask. Because it is important to know what we want and to return to a good a good request, we have to ask. The fourth phase, what we call the tutorial, is to say when someone has made the role and we ask them for their contributions, we show them the differences, the changes that they have had in place and everything that has been taken will be the basis for a new development in this cycle of giving and receiving. And many times when they stop contributions to the diasporas they notice that there is an indifference and therefore this financial contribution is taken. And there is a whole process of recalculation, there are visibility studies that determine cases of study where we create pyramids to donors. This is a good model to continue and apply in these cases. An anecdote that many years ago the president of one of the universities in the United States was sitting with Colombia, they began to talk and it turns out that he was an member of the diaspora of the United States that had had great successes in the United States but he had never gone to the Netherlands, he began to frequent this place, to comment on businesses and projects in the Netherlands and he began to give a lot of money to the university sector, he gave more than a thousand millions of dollars in the universities in the Netherlands and we would not be where we are today thanks to this man Chuck Finney who is a famous person of the Warren Buffett and Bill Gates who is a hero and what he did was he left a brand of the diaspora there are also others who believe that those who die rich die of misfortune that is to say that in the Chuck Finney Foundation he decided to donate all his money to an extraordinary person he is still alive but he is accumulated and he has given all his money and lives in an rented apartment and he is a model for the youth about the potential that exists for the philology of the diaspora I think he has already finished with my time limit thank you very much thank you Kingsley and thank you for this help from Chuck Finney he was not aware of what he had done and you mentioned very important about the importance of participating in the philography it has to be requested but it is not about asking for participation and then go but it is a process where one participates and is involved in the process and it is great to know that we can do this at different levels about the participation of the diasporas and then we have a talk session of Amas Negash of the African diaspora and the correspondent I am going to ask my technical colleagues if they can start sharing the video with you Hello I am Amas Negash of the Foundation of the African network we are in California for what they are participating in the session World Cup of the diaspora thank you for being with you we are very grateful and this is a great opportunity to connect, learn and support us I am very pleased and I am very grateful for the friendships that resulted from OIM you are great friends and I am very grateful for the associations and friendships and I am going to share with you briefly what the African network does and I will try to do it in 10 minutes I think the organization began as an idea as many others and as a need to create a network of Africa because when we want to support communities around the world in African countries or in other places even in our own communities we want to involve the communities we are talking about so we are the voice of several people and we bet on the well-being of all these people we try to spread on the continent of Eritrea in Aspará and then in 1984 I went to the lower countries because I had a brother there and there was an affinity between Ethiopia and Eritrea and then in my studies the language at the beginning was a limitation and I wanted to be able to study at the university so then I had the opportunity to have a fabulous experience it has been a great experience because I met many people in their precious place but I think there are several complexities but despite all that I was trying to support myself but I saw a great generosity by others to tell these people that now I consider my family this was all in the United States the lack of comfort is maybe what made me start I knew that if we could create an environment where the Africans and the friends of Africa could join we could create something we could create together possibilities for the Africans and those who were part of the communities in which we lived nowadays it is an extension of the communities where we live so to be able to provide for my family I have to have success in the communities where I live because otherwise I could not give anything even the intellectual part of the country where we are talking so I really appreciate the opportunity that I had and also that I have supported and supported the diaspora in 2010 we started the diaspora network african and one by one then we could have some attention when creating a larger community and in 2016 we launched the State Department of the United States and we were able to start the first program of an african trip program and we tested our idea and those who supported me were volunteers and our idea was well received it was something that we demonstrated that our community could work and I say today that it is possible to create this because the network of diaspora african the first program that we created in 2016 celebrates its seventh symposium of financing and then we developed three more programs with different initiatives this would not have been possible in a space we could see the need in Africa for financial support financial support the company of investors but when we have someone we can count we have the opportunity to improve so the mentoring the financing and the access to the same and the learning are critical so we started the community of builders in Africa and we are going to nominate several entrepreneurs of 2022 approximately of these network partners and in 2020 when people saw this energy that we had created a in Silicon Valley if we had a similar program to create this in a diaspora of the United States and this came from a large organization the Silicon Valley Community Foundation and I said, well, of course we can create this and if we collect the money we can accelerate the hard-working processes and this program focuses a lot on the access of financing and the mentors of the different diasporas of Africans that coincide with the contemporary diasporas of several places with African people like me who have come out of their countries in the last 50 60 years is a case but we are also talking about those who have moved many more years 400 years ago they were slaves and came to the United States and settled the bases so that someone like me could get there so I am working depending on what they created and I am very fortunate that we can people can use our platform to join Africans but also to be able to join a bridge between the past and the future so this was one of the last programs all year we have forums of support and innovation in California and also in Washington and New York and in the past we have had others but we are going to start to create new initiatives this year we have an initiative that has to do with health care and health care funded by a foundation I encourage you to study this work we are doing because there is a need to participate in READSPRA the reason is that this this conference that is taking place in Ireland is a country that has a fantastic diaspora we have diasporas from Asia and from India too there is a huge dynamic in the diasporas and it has very deep connections with its heritage and it can contribute no matter if it is its talent its time or its treasure that is why it is so critical but it is very complicated how how could it be if we could really channel all the energy that the diaspora has a presumption that is made is that the Africans out of Africa really do not participate much out of Africa but it is not true some countries come out of their political or negative but there is one thing that connects us all is that our families our heritage and our friends we always return something to our country to our culture we support the family that will continue because it has always been there questions how would it be if we could really we could make money that is because in the United States the diaspora from Africa is able to earn more than 60 million per year and how could it be invested it is going to invest the gold in a platform that will help the communities in Africa and that is the discussion we should have it would be good if we could have a state sponsor and have a sustainable goal to help our families but also generally it would be good if we could invest in communities where our families live and our friends it would be good to do it with the money that I can donate I used to do the weeks in Dubai to participate in a conference about the diaspora to talk what is doing the network of the African diaspora to find out what types of platforms are available and I know that because there are people who are talking this Friday when I will be on a virtual panel please listen and see if when we are all together we can support the platform the network of the African diaspora is what I am for the partnership we have formed and this network will continue with its funding and we are very grateful for all the funding I am very grateful for what we do I am very proud of my team and I have to thank Martin Russell because he has been a great mentor this is a journey a path that will always continue and I am very excited to work with other partners with the OIM and with all of you who are interested in the diaspora we can have as much of this as possible I think I like to think that we belong mutually it has to do with belonging to the United States I felt that I belonged no one asked me to change due to the growing support of the diaspora and what I am trying to create is that it is the same thing for that we already have a lot to do but we are going to move forward and all of you thank you very much for your time and have a good day thank you especially for your inspiring story regarding the African diaspora and the symposium that was recently celebrated with its talent its financing and its training to really generate good futures for the members of the diaspora and also to provide the skills for the native countries of the diaspora it has been a really inspiring story now I am going to give the word to Sanjeev Yoshipura regarding the diaspora thank you thank you so much and thank you to the OIM and also to Kingsley for inviting me and including me in this event I am Sanjeev Yoshipura I am the Executive Director of the diaspora I speak today of Washington DC in the United States and the diaspora and who we are because that is going to contextualize our focus in the diaspora the diaspora is a series of work founded in 2012 by an investor and entrepreneur in San Francisco who is called and our mission is to inspire and position the diaspora as a force for the good now we are an organization of membership based on invitation for Indians of India all over the world no matter what formation or occupation there are three fields that we work on that we call our pillars one is participation that is not political and not bipartisan and the second the third is philanthropy the second is participation there are two themes that we work on first, apart from focusing on the members of the diaspora who are our members and who have achieved a lot and again as you can imagine they are 50 or 60 years old we learn a lot from them and give them a lot of encouragement so we focus on the next generation of the diaspora because one of the problems that worries us is that the second generation of the diaspora that has left India maybe they don't have as strong as the first generation so it is important to focus on them to see what they can do so we focus on the second generation additionally to the first generation who already have very close links and the second theme that is transversal is our global program and we focus on globalizing our work not only to be active in the United States where we were founded but also in India where we also have offices but additionally we are very active with the diaspora of India who take the leadership and are connected with the diaspora of India and we are very active in the United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates Canada and Singapore and soon we will have entries in Australia with the Caribbean and Africa and other parts of Europe because the diaspora of India which is like 32 million people around the world is spread and scattered around the world and there are certain countries where we want to focus where there is more density now I want to go back to the three pillars that I mentioned before the non-political participation is something that we are promoting because we want to promote innovation not only as personal wealth but from our point of view we perceive it as something to resolve the social issues and under our rubric or mission and under our vision to be a a force for good we try to try to work as much as possible with respect to non-political participation we are as an organization we are trained to not participate in politics but we do promote the voice of the Indian community so that it can be heard very well it doesn't matter what their political affiliations are and with respect to the civic participation in the second pillar we work with various communities for example the East Asia community the Jewish community and also the African-American community now I mentioned it because it has to do with the main topic which is our philanthropic work many things that I just mentioned have some connections with our philanthropic work so I'm going to give some examples of what we have done in philanthropic terms and you can see what I'm talking about for example there are like two perspectives that we have first is that many of our members have connections with India as you can imagine and they want to return something to their country which is fantastic and we support it and we facilitate it and we act as a catalyst so that they can do it more effectively the other perspective with the philanthropist is to donate where one lives because the perspective here is that there is no doubt that one has been born in India and that he has some very strong connections with his country of origin but additionally that is not enough you always have to analyze his country of residence whether it be the United States or the United Arab Emirates it doesn't matter whether it be his country of residence in the last 30 to 40 years and it is the country where he has gained a lot of life where he has achieved a lot of success and in many cases he has gained a lot of money and he has achieved a lot of influence so then in the effort to position the Indian diaspora for a good it is important that it is given in the country of residence and not only in the country of origin I am going to give an example I am aware of the time so I am not going to restrain myself that I have been given and if there is more that I can offer in the session of questions and answers in terms of giving to India we are a catalyst and a platform we are a platform that helps organizations today is the sales sector so that people can donate small things we congratulate the donations to India a couple of examples first we are an organization that was known as the IPA the philanthropic association of India and the IPA was included within the Indian diaspora it is going to be independent now it is going to be independent and capable of running with its own funding the IPA is composed of the philanthropic organizations and they focus on India but they are based in the United States so these theos of the IPA and monthly since 2017 we have been convocating these theos to talk about several things for example to influence the public policies we talk about how we can get synergies that is up and down and we talk about how their funding in the United States and their big events do not have conflicts in terms of places and dates so that each organization has their own space to grow so we are like a catalyst and take into account that before these things were obvious when there were dozens of organizations that were in the United States focusing on India and working in different ways these these types of collaborations were not happening before we decided to form the IPA in 2017 it was after we made these convocations a collaboration it really gave results and it was obvious in its benefits so that is the example of the IPA another example I want to give you is what we call chalo chalo means let's go to India so the translation is demonos it's a chalo program to collect funds for any type of chaos in India and to give them organizations in India that need funds and work in different fields in the country I am very happy to say that during Covid in the last two years India has helped 2.5 million dollars not only for India 2.5 million was for India but 2.5 million came from the United States and it's an example of chalo these are for people with a lot of money and people who make small contributions I am going to end with this program and I have to repeat with respect to donating in India it can be seen that there are links with our work of connect and it can be seen that there are links with our work of the second generation of the diaspora of India or what is called diaspora next and although people can't give a few they can't give a hundred dollars they can give a few dollars so there are certain links in the work that we do now and with respect to the program of donating in India it's a gift where you live it's a pass to what is the work and the civic and political participation that we do and one thing that is obvious not only in the United States and other countries is that the technological revolution has some incalculable benefits but it has left some people behind and those people who have been left behind have to take the benefits of a new training to modernize their skills to improve their lives and their opportunities to get work now to to give an example here in the United States that can apply to certain geographical areas that can apply to certain communities in the country we are at the start of a really large building program that involves companies that are that are included in the Indian diaspora to involve them in modernizing their skills and reforming the skills of the people who have been left behind by the technological revolution and as you can see there is a single payment I know that my 10 minutes are over so I can see that someone is going to be on the screen so I can give the word to someone again thanks for your explanation of the Indian diaspora and it really has to do with what Sanjeev said with Kingsley and the vitality cycle of donating but it also has to do with what I said the Indian diaspora network and donating where you live shows that it is not only that to work in the origin countries but the countries of residence also I would like to present this new section that I had to see with a debate of all where they can share their contributions and especially their questions that were made in the chat if you want to participate please raise your hand and we will be able to receive the questions what I want to do here is share with you some guide questions of the transfer document for this particular session if this works I will be able to project on my screen the document but there are three guide questions and fortunately I will read them to read the first what would you recommend at a political level to take advantage of the diaspora the second question what would you recommend in terms of programs to facilitate and take advantage of the diaspora and the third and last question what are the main actors that have to be associated with the government to facilitate and take advantage of the diaspora so there may be other questions but the last question if we give it to Kinsley because we have talked about the different actors that are important in the diaspora in terms of your experience Kinsley you could say what are the main actors in this sense Kinsley are you there? sorry Kinsley, thank you it's a big question and I think this leads us to another question sorry the sound is very good now do you hear me? now do you hear me? Kinsley now do you hear me? yes, perfect next question and I think this leads us to another question what is the role of governments in terms of the diaspora but as you said in your description at first the philanthropy is a private request for the public good and so what is the role of the government and I think it is to be a facilitator more than an implementer that is to say governments can create the conditions and that they can help to this point to form people I think all the organizations of the diaspora some are private but the goal to survive is to raise money in a philanthropic way not only for their causes but for them to support but I think that governments played a very important role and create a facilitator environment perhaps this could contribute financially for example, the government in Ireland supports organizations outside in other parts of the world I think that these initiatives are very good but it should be something smaller, not the full implementers but I think the great balance would be a good way to do this work and how about the role of the private sector I know that Ireland has been quite successful in terms of the geography and for at least in the past there is some learning of your perspectives of what countries can do I think there is some kind of direct investment and the diasporas can develop an essential role not only in their own investment but in what we call people to start something or direct the attention to the country of origin and it can be something like doing presentations or giving advice to make a difference to make a comment all this is part of the critique this can be the propulsor the trigger that leads to the description of all this in a country we call it the rock stars of the business that are all around the world and it is not just about finding these people and knowing who they are but also developing those long-term relationships it is very easy to talk about it and of course it takes a long time the thing is it is something we have to take into account and then the question of masarism at the political level its experience of participating in the diaspora of India what would you recommend at the political level in this sense of being a philanthropist of the diaspora I would say with what I have said I think people mention something very good when they mention that the governments should not be what they do they should be more the facilitators and be an institution that foments the philanthropy that they participate or execute I totally agree but I think we could take a step further and say that there are also several instances or moments that are different in each country in which the governments for different reasons and reasons that are of different factors cultural factors of that country that do it in Egypt in which governments can not foment the diasporas disorient them and this is something that I think is it depends on trust and we go back to the topic of the session which is at the beginning of the session he talked about creating this trust I think that once the trust between the philanthropic actors and the governments of the country where the philanthropy is directed can be achieved much more and depending on what country we are talking about we are in different phases of evolution of the cycle for example here in the United States philanthropy is much easier I think it applies the United Arab Emirates I also believe in the United Kingdom in Canada and in other countries but in other places I know that it is very difficult for an organization like ours to actively participate with philanthropic philanthropists in these countries I think it depends a lot on each country but to influence that aspect is very important for the diasporas thank you very much Sanjee and again there are people in the audience that if they want to participate they can write the question in the chat or they can raise their hand we would like to hear from you and this is the third question of the media number two in the programs that could be developed to allow and take advantage of the diaspora's philanthropy Sanjeef maybe with you again if the governments would be more the facilitators not so much those who carry out the philanthropy do you see that there are different programs actors and what are the different roles of these actors to be able to take advantage of the diaspora's philanthropy following what you have mentioned and that is also a very good question I think that you have written three fantastic questions I think that depending on the programmatic aspect there are two aspects from my perspective and here I take the example more and more I see in the last five or six years that India at the level of the government has become more sophisticated in terms of the philanthropic interventions that are needed in the country but that the government cannot provide and does not want to try or does not want for several reasons but guarantee that they have an idea of what the priorities are and that they can participate in a different way in different parts of the country in India and can be applied in other places the country has to be very complex in terms of its geography to the different regions of the country and that they have different ideologies and different needs where the priorities are that can reach the federal level of government or many times in more efficient ways that can lead to a state government level where you can have this list of priorities and it has this kind of collaboration and that invites associations for a programmatic intervention this is on the government side now change the lens of the organizations that are going to provide the philanthropic intervention and this for example could be integrated in the case of members of the IPA the philanthropic association of India for these organizations it is very important to guarantee that they can arrive as a group that is necessary to these countries or provinces or states where they can see the philanthropic needs in an integral way and think about the collaboration up and down and I'm going to take it to a very practical example there are organizations that give food to children with cancer which is fantastic, of course it is a great need but then there are organizations that are the need to create schools of more vulnerable areas so that they can go to school make sure they have teachers and of course it is also a great need but it would not be great that when a central government or federal or state identifies the hunger of the children or the malnutrition with some problems and at the same time identifies primary education with a problem and the philanthropic organizations like the IPA say well, I can work in this way and others in the other collaborate and join us with the government officials to see what the facilities are in the field and to be able to work with a group in a way to work in an integral way the organizations that provide the philanthropy must be well organized and in this way a greater collaboration can be achieved yes, this is something very important I would like to mention something yes, I am in agreement with everything that Sanjibi said the story I told about Chaxxin and when Jakeo sat with us to copy and said well I am willing to put this amount of money but we need you to copy and take advantage of it there are several associations in Mexico for example where they put $50 maybe at the level of they take advantage of a lot there is a very important relationship to be able to achieve these initiatives but there are dozens of thousands of organizations of diasporas and we leave organization Floreca and see what happens many are going to fail many are going to have a lot of success and when I look back to the organizations that have participated in what makes them successful in terms of organizations that would be the philanthropy first of all the cause, why do they exist what are they responding to that is very important the second is to see who we are referring to and where they are and the third is I think the most important is Lideraco and Lideraco is something fascinating because Sanjim when he told the story of how he began his organization he started with an inspiring individual that attracted other people and the fund of Bandel for which I worked there were several inspiring individuals there was one of the bosses of the food part that I worked with another one that I worked with Laceros they are examples of the great Lideraco and I think the governments can play a role and the creation of capacity but also to identify and work with people who have the potential to be leaders when Sanjim talked about the next generations is so important because many times these children are involved and then they see that their children begin to participate in their country of origin that maybe they were born there so it is something very important and this is we have several examples and it is a question of following what you commented that level of participation of the communities of the diasporas is a little weak because as diaspora as mine I have a great connection with my country of origin but again my children will have half of this connection and my grandchildren have a quarter of that connection so what is your experience in this about the participation of the diasporas through generations and what could be done to keep this participation with these new generations that have not been originaries of the country Tinsley, first of all because you have a lot to say I think it is extraordinary because sometimes the most passionate people with whom I have worked in the Netherlands are those whose so many grandparents came from the Netherlands and it is interesting because part of their identity is part of their identity where they live so many times it is not necessarily that automatically we choose because we go to form part of new generations and also the technology and communication does everything as possible before geography determined our geography as San Gives and San Francisco now we can be in California but it is very involved in what is happening in other countries and that is fascinating a great dimension and the other thing that I have not highlighted enough I think there is not such a thing as a diaspora grandeza or India there are different diasporas with different objectives organizations in fact maybe not even understood they did not want to but there is not one because in India we have several provinces that have different interests and we have to satisfy their needs and desires instead of trying to plasmate a definition area diasporas sometimes are not just a country but a place it is a city of an idea it has to do with Greece I worked a few years in Copenhagen and I saw that that can be the case I think you are right in India the areas are very different the states have different culinary habits different cultures and therefore it is about different communities and I think it is great that there is so much diversity and that it forms a country of India depends on where it originates and where it goes for example the diaspora of India in Dublin is not the same as the one in Detroit because their societies are different and they have different interests so referring to the question of Kingsley about the next generation I think with time at least from my experience I saw that when I see the other diasporas here in the United States but I see for example the diaspora of China or the Israeli depending on which country is one with time the interests and relationships with the country of origin or of their parents or of their grandparents changes and is different because in the Israelis this relationship at least in the United States they have a different relationship then the German then the Chinese then the Indians it is a very complex question but I think that with time generally in general it is weak it weakens a little the relationships with the country of origin I think there are two important aspects it is important to make sure that even if we are talking about four generations below to keep the relationship because it helps to mobilize the mind helps to improve the concept of global citizens the fourth generation in San Francisco should know a little about the background of their culture that includes them today generation to generation that helps them to be more productive in what they are doing today that is a respect I mean I think the diaspora needs to continue participating in the new generations knowing that with time this participation grows a little and the second is that then let's focus because we do it more slowly in the diaspora in its entirety and we do not talk about the links of the fifth generation with India for example if we do not talk about where we are where we live we do it real where you find this fifth generation in India in the United States Ireland or wherever I think that is a big part I think there is a certain concept of global Indians I think for example they create different aspects but this concept of nation that is not just a geographical place on the map but in Ireland we say that we have the empire and it is not about military but about the conquests that we have had but we have a great empire of influence and this concept of soft power is fascinating I think that soft power talks a little about diplomacy in a certain sense and we have a comment here in the chat of the Ali many thanks to the Ali and governments and philanthropists can consider the campaign to collect resources in the beginning of returning and showing the appreciation they are not trying to take from them but the opportunity to participate and this maybe reflects a little about their presentation in the beginning of the nature of giving and participating in the philanthropy which is important to be involved in the fact that the philanthropy has been carried out would you like to expand a little bit on that? How can governments are what is the role that the governments have taken once the philanthropy has been carried out what is the type of participation of the governments I found it very interesting that the philanthropy was like a portal for which people would spend and start relationships with their country and so that would create more participation so it was given as a philanthropy a scholarship or they would pay the doctors and they would start to know the beneficiaries and the professionals and so there would be a multiplicity of interests which is really fascinating and one comes to entrench the philanthropists I think the glue in all of this is this feeling of belonging we talk about diversity and inclusion but if you listen to what people say diversity and inclusion and belonging is a concept where people can belong people can read the newspaper immediately and they can get the information in Dublin or in Sydney so you have to define those definitions of state and nation what do you think I agree that I have seen where the philanthropists get involved with their country and with the governments and then that leads to participation in other areas technology health and they use it and they use it as a portal of many relationships it is a concept that I have seen and what I would like to add is that I have also seen the investment and I am sure that Kinsley has seen the same and this is the reason why the philanthropic organizations have to be very aware of what is happening in the commercial and business sector what I have seen at least with the diaspora of India is that initially the relationship begins with a commercial transaction I mean a financial investment or a type of business transaction or a transnational relationship and during the time there is a better relationship of the diaspora that is investing about the problems that an organization or a sector or a country is facing and that leads I am sorry there are few minutes left we can involve members of the agency here please Nigerian wants to intervene or ask a question I want to make a comment with the previous speakers or that the governments should facilitate the philanthropic participation of the diaspora I think that governments can make a credible platform where these conversations can begin we have been established in Nigeria a platform for investment for investors so that they can work with possible partners there are many platforms that are possible in other countries and that is a space where the diaspora's philanthropy can really be expressed and intervened I see that Paddy wants to intervene too thank you thank you for sharing your thoughts we are talking about important ingredients in the participation of the diaspora apart from all the information that has been shared for me what really stands out is the long-term relationship and when governments or even local conversations in the countries of origin interact with the diasporas it is important to highlight that the diaspora is interested for the long term it is not like an development agency they are there for the long term and they are there because they have very deep roots their identities and relationships are all in that pattern and it also applies to the diaspora that have established homes in the country of destiny and that is why Sanjeev has a reason to talk about where you are and that really changes how the government interacts with the diaspora it is not just a question of moving into an area of investment but it is not just a question of solving a crisis but to act in the long term as an development actor and it is very well seen with the when the diasporas have a sense of agency and also when there are more advanced structures and the last thing that I want to mention is that you mentioned regarding the intergenerational participation I am part of the diasporas and also I have lived in Reynid my sister who is 10 years younger than me has a completely different attitude to Sanjeev and I could not go home but she does not have so many difficulties not being able to go home because she is very happy in London so her participation and I always give this example her participation as my mother participates in the diaspora and as others around her her parents interact so having a strategy of the diaspora that crosses generations will be critical because otherwise we are going to lose in terms of the benefits that the countries of origin can have thanks for this platform thanks the experience of the diaspora and the person another intervention we have Timor who wants to intervene briefly so we are going to stop this Timor his word if he wants to intervene Timor, do you hear me? Do you have your microphone activated? Nevermind Well, it does not matter Well we have finished the session very good we are going to listen to the audience so just to wrap it up to conclude we have talked about the importance of the diaspora of the life of the donor and that the diaspora should be more like a facilitator an agent and it has to be a partner to take over the philanthropy another important thing that we have heard from Sanjeev and Almas is the nature of the philanthropy and the diaspora we have to donate not only for the countries of origin but also for the country of residence and it has been a very good interpretation of Paddy talking about the importance of the long term that the philanthropy of the diaspora should be in the long term and not only in the short term so I want to give the word to Skingsley for his conclusions and in two minutes I was not going to say that what you have said and what you have said Sanjeev and Paddy is that this is a industry that is not competitive someone who is going to donate money to Finland or Peru or India is a person who has a specific goal and we can contribute a lot I am a founder of a company called Case specific and steal everything so we have to see who is doing something right and then we have to decide if it is going to work in its own country so there is a program in Israel where it includes young people and motivates young people of the diaspora and there are hundreds of thousands that have been invested in a program and anyone can make a game program and in Rwanda we had a program called the gathering where we invited the diasporas to return to Iceland and we had like 5,000 events that were celebrated thousands and thousands of Icelanders returned to Scotland and we copied it to Scotland because we have the philosophy of Case so a forum like today is fantastic to listen I love listening to people like Sanjeev because he gave me ideas I really like the intervention of Paddy so we have a lot to learn and we have to really think about what we have heard and calculate what is going to work I wrote some ideas about the philanthropy that have failed but we have to think again well we have to conclude there are 12 already any comments please and I hope we will see you a little later thank you very much and we will take you to the sessions this afternoon thank you very much enjoy the session