 Believe it or not, it's Monday night once again time for voiceover body shop George Is older, Colorado. All right There by the what name of the mountains there the Get the flat iron the flat irons. That's right. The flat iron one two and three. Yes Well tonight on our very program. We've got great guy a Knowledgeable person a man who has done everything in Hollywood Except I went an Oscar yet. I guess But we're working on it Paul Pape will be here and we're gonna talk about all sorts of things and On the tech side you've actually got a mixer face. We're gonna talk about Yeah, we're kind of obsessing over the mixer face. I'll talk about my experience with it so far. All right Yes, and we'll answer your question sent into the Senate earlier and sent into the chat room And we'll talk about small room acoustics. I had an interesting one this week all that and anything else we can think of on voiceover body shop coming up right now two men Twin sons from different mothers with a passion for voiceover recording technology and the desire to make recording easy for voice actors everywhere together in one place George Whidham the home studio engineer to the stars a Virginia tech grad with an unmatched knowledge of all the latest gear and technology in voiceover today Dan Leonard the home studio master a voice actor with over 30 years experience in Broadcasting and recording and a no-holds-barred myth-busting attitude for teaching you how easy it is together To bring you all the latest technology today's voiceover superstars and Leaving the discussion on how to make the most of your voiceover business This is voiceover body shop Voiceover body shop is brought to you by voice over essentials comm home of harlan hogan signature products source elements remote connections made even easier Vio to go go dot com everything you need to be a successful voiceover artist j. Michael Collins demos award-winning demo production voice actor websites dot com where your voiceover website won't be a pain in the butt and voiceover extra your daily resource for vio success And now live from their super secret multimedia studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are George Whidham Dan Leonard Good evening. I'm Dan Leonard And I'm George Whidham, and this is voiceover body shop or v. O Yes, oh and wonderful chorus this evening. We actually got a crowd in here tonight Why don't we hit the can you hit the audience cam there Sue so we can see all the people that are in here? Yeah, yeah, there's there's Anthony Anthony getting is right there In case you were wondering what he looked like It's a pretty sight isn't it anyway So tonight our guest is Paul Pape, and we'll be talking to him in just a little bit And you are in Boulder, Colorado, and you were at a you taught a class there or what? I did I did I taught a class I did I was out here for to be out here with Maxine and enjoying the Beautiful whether it's perfection out here right now, but also Combining work of always I am always working when I come out here And this time I got to do a front-range voiceover meetup, which is created put together by a fellow named Jason Leachack and It was it was great. It was a great turnout there's about 22 people or so which who drove all around from the Denver area and And a fan of ours yours in mind Dan Andy Kaufman was there All right. It's the porter of our show It was really great to meet him and see him in person again, but it was great and we talked acoustics So my brain is has the acoustic stuff, you know at the front of the cortex. Is that right? Is that what's leaking out there? Okay? All right, we'll get to that in just a little bit and but boy it's the weather here in Southern California is also gorgeous and Wherever you are it probably still is too because it's still summer and we'll it'll be fall before you know it We just won't know it here in Southern California because it'll seem like summer Until it's spring. Anyway, it's now time for And now the voiceover extra news for August 20th 2018 your VO motivation Honestly, what's your chief motivation for performing voiceovers or for even wanting to is it the joy of the art of voice acting or The possibility of fame or are you in it mostly for the money? Good luck with that last one. Well in an article now on voiceover extra voiceover industry observer Extraordinaire and of course voice talent slash coach slash producer J. Michael Collins Details how today's voiceover genres fair meeting those motivations note We're not judging those motivations the article just points out the directions you might want to take to achieve them J. Michael details the potential for art fame and money in each of these genres Commercial animation corporate explainer industrial narration e-learning and medical narration Video games imaging and affiliate work TV documentary and in-show narration Political commercials and automotive commercials. You've done all of those, haven't you Paul? Yeah, okay? That's a lot of territory for for tonight So let's dive into what J. Michael sees as the best for each of the motivations for instance art If creativity and performing is your main motivation Most of the genres would work for you in particular Animation VO is as close as most voice talent will ever come to being an on-camera actor J. Michael says an acting is a part of most genres except Maybe for corporate explainer industrial narrations and imaging and affiliate work in the corporate world He explains a good voice and solid reading ability will take you further than the more acting-heavy genres and Imaging and affiliate work while it's trending toward conversational is still dominated by the announcer voice The land of the best pipes Okay, how about fame like will the public become aware of you as a voice actor? Well ditch fame if you're into corporate narrations e-learning and medical political and automotive VO's Interestingly J. Michael notes that imaging and affiliate work often creates local celebrities Okay, of course your video game character voices can attract a fan following and while most commercial voice-over actors Don't become famous for their work an iconic campaign or your character might come your way that creates an industry buzz about you even in pop culture Lastly, what about money? J. Michael sees money in most niches except video games and imaging affiliate work He pegs corporate narration as the blue-collar lifeblood of many voice-over careers Yet high-end commercial work still offers the biggest paydays, especially at the union You'll find much more detail about all of these opportunities in the full article at voiceover extra.com And you'll learn even more about each genre in the two-hour instant download webinar recordings by J. Michael That are available now at voiceover extra.com see the training column on the voice-over extra home page it's your daily resource for voice-over success and my stuff's available there too as well, so Make the best of it you can find all sorts of cool stuff there But yeah, J. Michael hits it on on the nose there that if you want to do this for fame You are in the wrong business. How many a-list voice-over people do does anybody know? I mean See just total crickets here in the room Very soon very few indeed there. I actually have a webinar myself coming up on the VO extra at the end of September I'm gonna be doing one on audiobooks an audiobook recording cool Outstanding we'll keep the information piped into you guys about that. Yes always a a very interesting subject and And something a lot of people want to know so In tech news this week you actually got your hands on a mixer face I did I got myself a mixer face You know these things are making the rounds now all the folks that did make their indiegogo contributions years ago for With a reward of a mixer face should have them by now If you don't let them know But this is what the mixer face looks like in the flesh. I know you've probably heard us talk about this a lot We saw it at NAM in the flesh And now we're getting to try it out in the real world I gave it a good rundown during a podcast session. I recorded the other day Two full hours or really actually more by the time we wrapped it was probably two and a half hours That I was running through this and I was using a tlm 103 inside a booth and Being able to turn on the high-pass filter beautiful thing with a tlm 103, you know how sensitive those mics are to low end Absolutely This one this helps deal with the low end very very nicely plenty of gain in it too Plenty of gain. Um, you know, of course, I was using the 103 which has a pretty good output already Um, I was running it at well, you can see where the gain is right now That's about where I had it when I was doing the show So it's kind of typical right about two-thirds of the way up. Maybe that's about right Yeah, and then your dedicated monitor level control for your headphones is here um, but then you also have the blend control which You some of you are maybe familiar with from some other interfaces But it's nice that if you're doing something with speech coming back to you like a podcast Or if you're using it with Skype or zoom or doing a phone patch type session, this lets you Get more me I want more me less of them This will let you do that in your cans So that is a really nice feature and it has two of them. Why two because it's got one to blend Both microphones. So if you're doing an interview Um, and you had two mics hooked up you can control the blend of both microphones Independently in your headphones and then down here and aux input. It's called aux three and four that really is The feature that i'm not sure how often people will need it, but if you do need to play back something Again podcasters could be pretty cool You can have playback source from another computer or a headphone jack on another device And bring that up into the mix. So that's pretty cool Um, you're gonna see later in the show and we mentioned this thing again That it also makes a good on-camera companion. So if you guys are doing any Video stuff. I know a lot of people are getting to doing some youtube This thing is an awesome companion with a video camera Or any camera that doesn't have proper inputs Um, you can run this right into your iPhone So you could have your iPhone mounted to the top of the camera have this device recording the audio But if your camera does have a microphone input, you got it covered also because it has A line output jack Which is dedicated to sending a stereo mix Or a stereo feed to your camera And it has a high low sensitivity Because folks sending a sound into a microphone input on a camera. How many like bad Cable access are really poor productions. Have you heard like would say like Some sort of a board meeting from or the you know, something like that where the audio is unbelievably Overmodulated and distorted Always trying to run a mixer. I'll bet you soon. I was a lot about that kind of stuff Yeah, trying to run a mixer into a microphone input on a camera never works well Well, this has a sensitivity control To knock down the output so you don't overdrive one other little kind of hidden thing Other than the obvious microphone inputs and uh microphone inputs here, which are combo jacks For microphone and instruments and line ins There's also kind of hidden on the edges to balance jacks Bow one bow two So those are like your standard left and right line outputs you'd have on like a scarlet or some other interface That can be used to properly connect and drive Sound to a pair of studio monitors So this will actually work as a standard audio interface for home use as well There's no reason why you couldn't have it do everything that you need to do in a home or on the road But i'm sure most of you will probably be focused on using it on the road So lastly, I've mentioned this before another thing it sets it apart is that it has an internal battery And the internal battery allows this unit to run while connected to an ipad Mac or apple limits the amount of power that an iphone or an ipad can provide to a device So generally unless it's like an apogee mic Just about nothing out there can just plug right in and get it's all of its power from the ipad It just doesn't give the power it needs So this thing is internally powered gives you proper 48 volts For your phantom power and it gives you Plenty of my game But some some might find it really important for their needs to have good headphone monitoring and it does have that It can drive quality headphones at a decent volume quite quite nicely. So Last thing i'll say about it is you know, it's not just about the product It's about the packaging and I think they kind of nailed it by providing a single page user manual And I think that makes a heck of a lot of sense Most people never read the dang manual They just don't So they condensed the most important stuff down to it's because we know how it all works. Come on now Plug it in it works. This thing's pretty user friendly, but this manual guides you through some of the finer points On a single like five four by six card. So That's the mixer face. Um, it sounds great if you want to hear what I sounded like on it at the The latest two episodes coming out the next couple of weeks from the pro audio suite All of my voice was recorded on that so you can give it a listen outstanding Well, yeah, we'll be talking a little bit more about the mixer face a little bit later on How to get one that and and especially how to get one and the best place to get one, of course And paul pape will be with us in just a couple of minutes. So stay tuned for that We will be right back with a little discussion on small booth acoustics And answering your questions sent to us here at voiceover body shop. So stay tuned. We'll be right back Hi, this is bob bergen and he And you're loving the voiceover body shot box You know, there's an amazing event coming up that I want you to know about And to participate in You know, I had a chance the other night to talk with david h. 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What's that? That's good to hear. I mean how often do you hear voice talent saying that it's great to hear that Exactly, but there's still so much. I don't know. Can you recommend a way to learn the basics of audio engineering? A college class youtube videos anything well See now that's a total perfect lead-in to what we like to talk about You know aside from voiceover tech we like to talk about who it is you need to talk to about voiceover tech and that is you and and Dan That's right When the wrong way there you go. I'm looking the right way. I mean there we go Anyway, uh, yeah, you can you can check us out go on the internet You know that thing that everybody seems to spend an awful lot of time on And go to either one of these sites and you will find the two guys that know more about Home voiceover studios than anybody else on the planet Guaranteed there's a lot of people out there that say, yeah, I can help you with that You know, yeah, I can do one of those. It's like a doctor, you know a new doctor saying appendectomy Yeah, let me see. Yeah, I could probably do one of those No We're the only ones that really understand the unique environment that you guys work in which is a lot of places Which is one of the things we'll talk about tonight So if they want to get help from george all they have to do is go to georgethetech.com And um, I've got a lot of resources on there some free stuff as well But one-on-ones with me, you know There's a lot of learning material out there. Of course you can there's books. There's You know online videos but Frankly to be honest if you want to learn what you need to learn to be a voice actor Spending an hour with me and dan one-on-one. You're going to come away with like exactly What you'd need to know and dan He's over at Where am I? I know i'm here somewhere there. I am you can find me at homevoiceoverstudio.com really spending an hour with us We will take you through the process of what it takes to really make your home voiceover studio sound The way it's supposed to sound like whistle I keep bringing that up and now george understands what that means Yeah, it's your audio is supposed to sound a certain way and george and I were two of the guys that wrote the book That wrote the actual literal standards for what home voiceover studio is supposed to sound like So if we say it's good, it is good so yeah I'm betray. I mean Petrion sorry. Petra. Yeah close enough It sounds right I went to a university to learn a lot of audio engineering But this is years of accumulated knowledge Or accumulated knowledge. It really really is You know, you can go online and certainly find some great some online courses. There's like linda.com lynda.com. There's certainly courses on there about audio But if there's so much to learn Because of the so many varied fields in audio different needs for audio It can be kind of mind blowing. So You probably want to tell us or look and decide what it is specifically You're wanting to learn if you just want an overview of what's a sine wave What's hurts? What's that if you just want to learn that then you'll find plenty of great books Harlan Hogan's got at least one or two on his website And you'll find some good ones on amazon that are about the theory of audio I haven't read one in a while. So I don't have a title handy that I can give you but Let us if you haven't even if you want to email us, we'll we'll find a couple good titles and let you know Absolutely Now fred north who is a regular viewer of our show asks I know you've said this before but how do I tell the difference between electronic hum and vibration for my ac or furnace That one, you know, that's actually pretty easy Send the audio to us Because usually we can tell in about a second and a half. That's not electronic noise electronic noise tends to be At a very specific frequency level usually like 60 hertz or somewhere around there And if you look at the waveform It's usually mechanical sound is very very deliberate And it's like there's the regular intervals in there. So that's the kind of stuff that we see plus You can tell the difference by listening to it I think the problem that a lot of people have Is that They describe it in different terms For example, it's a hum. It's a buzz It's it's a hissing sound everybody describes it differently And I know you probably get this every day Yeah, I mean it's There's confusing terms people will call what sounds like to me a hum. They might call it a buzz Could be the the other way around But I mean generally a hum is usually a simple sound It's usually like one or a series of harmonic frequencies That stand out and especially with an air conditioning unit. That's usually an electric motor Motor is run at 60 hertz. That's the frequency of ac electricity But they often have a harmonic at 120 hertz That seems to be really stands out in a lot of people's recordings So if it's if it's something that has a lot of harmonics, it could be a motor vibrating or something like that That could be what you're dealing with there But it's sometimes it's it's a very simple tone just a single frequency That can be more electrically related um, yeah, there's just Hums and buzzes and white noises and all those types of noises. They all have different causes and you know We love to help you get to the bottom of it. It's not always completely obvious at first blush until you really Even I know dan you love um auditions a spectral view spectrograph. No, absolutely. It just clearly shows me within Oh, look at that. It's right there You can tell exactly what it is and then listen and double check and go. Oh, yeah, I was right But you can tell things from a waveform, but you can also tell things from a spectrogram and things that you normally wouldn't see so Hopefully that's that's how he'll solve fred's problem. Send us the audio Assuming he's got one. I don't know if he's got one right now, but fred, we'd love to help you Um, there was another one that was just a real simple doll or digital workstation Yeah, sandy nickels is tracked is traction t7 d a w good for voiceover versus audacity Sounds like nuclear reactor versus hamster in a in a cage. Yeah For whatever whatever reason traction hasn't I hate to say it gotten much traction In the voice over what's really for music. I think and that's really what it was designed for Yeah, I think that traction was a software that was developed A while ago and then became a bundled software. So it comes bundled with some equipment you might buy So that's how you know voice actors may start stumbling on it is they they find it bundled with something they They bought it doesn't mean it's bad for voiceover. The problem is it's just sort of outside the realm of what's common So when you're trying to get help tech support Learn it things like that. It's you're gonna be an uphill battle a bit because there's just so few people Using that system and voice over right so, you know, I think Oh George is gone Well, he'll be back in a second Anyway, we also want to talk about small booth acoustics and when we recover George We'll talk about that a little bit. Uh, so stay tuned for that in the meantime We are going to take a break right now and we'll be right back with paul pape. So don't go away Are you confused about how to set up and maintain a professional quality voiceover studio? No wonder the information out there is mostly Mythology This is the best microphone to use. You'll have to have a preamp. You need a soundproof booth This software is the best your audio must be Broadcast quality Consult with someone who knows the truth someone who's been there in the trenches doing voiceover for over 30 years Someone with unparalleled experience with voiceover studios Who's worked with hundreds of voice actors and designed hundreds of personal studios He knows how to teach and cares about your success In one of the harshest environments known to voiceover your home Dan Leonard the home studio master Separate myth from fact and get a handle on your personal voiceover studio Contact the home studio master at home voiceover studio dot com Hey everybody, this is george out here in bolder wanting to tell you about our good friends over at source elements The creators of source connect Fantastic software for connecting your studio with other pro studios all around the world This software is quickly becoming a standard in the business of voiceover. 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Let them know we sent you and we'll be right back with Paul and my buddy Back in back in la dan right after this All right, it's time to introduce our guest Paul pape is an accomplished stage and screen actor and has also been performing as a voiceover artist with over 7 Thousand credits to date he's been heard in virtually every media including commercials narrations promos trailers television series Films video games and national political campaigns He's a voice for various environmental and entered energy related campaigns nationwide Among his other corporate commercial credits. He's also a producer with his own production company New trails doing all sorts of exciting stuff. Let's welcome to voiceover body shop Paul pape Nice to see you again. George Alrighty, you know, you were with us at the don lafontaine lab when george and I did a show from there Yep, low about Six and a half seven years ago. Yep. I think I also did one with you from george's Studio in san amonica. Yeah, but now you're in our brand new facility. Well, it's starting to age a little bit But fancy schmancy. Yeah, it's like an actual tv studio. Yeah, but anyway, uh, welcome to the show Uh, you're you're from rochester and I and I see you've got, you know, a buffalo bills How long suffering bills fans need to stay together. So I brought this in support I totally appreciate that and I'm there for you, Dan I I appreciate it, you know, if you're from buffalo, you just learn that your heart will be ripped out at any second So we both and I'm not far away, but I live with the same and the bills summer camp a training campus in rochester It's st. John fish. Yeah, that's right. So anyway, uh, so let's talk a little bit about yourself now You're originally from rochester and you went to brockport. Yeah, suny schools are the best by the way Uh, but tell us a little bit more how you got into uh acting and then some of the cool stuff that you've done Well, uh the time that I went there brockport was the best school in the state for the arts Before purchase was built. Yeah, and then I got a degree into Theater there and in my senior year I was seen in a Play by an adjudicator for the new york state arts council who was starting an acting company in new york I had offers to michigan state and penns state for grad school, but I Decided to get to it. So I moved to new york city two weeks after graduation I was part of a group called the colonized theater lab, which There was 15 of us in the original company and in that original 15 where I was lucky to be with danie de vito Real proman michael o'Keefe jeff goldblum peter scolari great great group people So obviously it was a great place to do an apprenticeship and then About three or four years after I was there. I was cutting my teeth in the theater Uh, I was lucky to go audition on camera And I was lucky to land my break when I got a co-starring role on saturday night fever which kind of launched Everything for me and brought me to california your first on camera audition. That right. It was my very first audition So go figure, you know, I don't know what I stepped in in a previous life, but it paid off in this life You know, uh, but what was that? Yeah, what was that like doing saturday? Did the people realize when that film was being made that it would be the mega hit that it was no No, I think they thought it was a You know in those days television stars didn't cross over and right feature film stardom But so john was one of the first people so I looked at it as a good opportunity to get my feet wet I don't think anybody had any anticipation that it would be That successful impact. I don't think paramount believed in the movie at all. They were more surprised than anyone that it was Successful as it was so But you know, luckily it was it was a trick and lasted for a long time It was a good nice thing to have into your belt. Yeah, still still a cult favorite. Yeah, watch the disco age Yeah, I'm very grateful, you know to have been a part of you know, what now is considered what cultural film history or whatever Absolutely. So you come out here to la and what are some of the things you've done since you came out here? Well, I was doing a lot of television early on and that kind of thing But then I hit kind of a slow spot, you know where which happens in this business That's the big city, right? And uh, I had the opportunity to do Uh voiceovers, which I had never done before I had been I had studied voice in college and and through professional teachers But I had never really tried to use my voice to Make money. So I thought well, that might be an opportunity to make a little money on the side And for whatever reason they uh, they were buying what I was doing. Um, I can't really explain why uh, that then whatever it was they were they were, uh They were saying, okay, we'll go with that and one thing led to another I started out doing, um, just ad r in the early days Uh, which I might disagree with jay michael about one thing when you mentioned earlier And that is not only animation actors, but I think ad r actors come as close to on-camera acting as Anything as well. It's acting as well. Yeah, some of the best actors I know are in ad r. They do voice replacement voice matching They have to do for you know performance art. So I would disagree with him on that one point But pretty much everything else he's he's spot on um So I started by doing that because it was a way to act in between on-camera gigs and One thing led to another and I just sort of kept doing that for a while and then eventually um expanded from there into other forms of voiceover and You know commercials narrations whenever they would come along little by little spotty here and there and then um You know in the last six years or so and I mean I've been at it 30 some years So you go through a lot of different levels of experience, but in the last six years or so I was fortunate to um Be cast after a long round of auditions and demos I would became one of the voices prefer Barack Obama's reelection campaign and that launched a whole other cottage industry for me and I do a lot of senatorial congressional. I did hillary clinton's campaign. I do a lot of Um, uh national political campaigns now. So that's become a whole other So you ride all these different waves. You never really know where the ride is going to take you But if you have a voice you use it, you know, absolutely Now we were just talking about you know what this business is like as an actor And I've I've had a little bit of experience doing the on-camera auditions And it becomes very very clear very very quickly that it's got to be In your gallbladder and your heart It's got to be the actual fiber of your being to continue to get in your car go down the You know the casting lounges day after day right and try and make it happen You know and I you meet people that I haven't had anything for two years Yet, they're still doing right. What is that all about? I mean, maybe I don't have That because I do a lot of other things But what is it all about that you what it really means to like have the fire in the belly to do just that Um a certain amount of masochistic Well, clearly But I think that If you love what you do You know, you'll you'll put up with a lot because it's what you love to do And this is a very tough business especially on people that don't have the talent and don't have the The wherewithal to know that, you know, so I think that is um That's part of it Brian Cranston, you know, we all know as an actor talked about for years He was going to audition. He was always aware of how many people were in the room and his head was on all of that And and it wasn't getting him anywhere. It was just frustrating him and it was stressing him out And he finally decided, you know, I have this opportunity to go in and do what I love I need to go in and do this for me And I need to go in because this is what I love to do whether regardless of whether I get the job or not And I think that is the same even in voiceovers You do what you do you do it the best you can as only you can do it and If you can do that, I think it removes a lot of the rest because the competition is daunting in new york or los angeles Especially it's daunting And if you allow yourself to focus too much on that, there's no doubt in my head it'll get inside your head It'll leave the psych you out. It'll burn you out Or you'll start having panic attacks or something like that I've seen a few of those out. Yeah, it'll it can happen But it's because these this and if you're not making money as an actor If you're not if you don't you're not making a living The pressure is that much more on you when you go into a situation like this You think it's not you think you've rehearsed it then you go in so I think the number one thing just and I think it applies to voiceover Understand yourself. Well do what you love live and die by who you are And then voiceover is whatever your signature voice is live and die by that Explain what you mean by your your signature voice. Well, we all have a voice that's unique to us We we none. I don't speak like you. You don't speak like me Even though we're from the same part of the country that that northeast, you know, yeah, but but we sometimes think And I do teach a class about this at the don lafonte voiceover We sometimes think we have to be somebody else In order to succeed, you know, we need to sound like this in order to make it work in voiceovers And I think what happens is it ends up sounding more two-dimensional You don't add the little nuances that might put you over the top So coming to terms with who you are as an individual what your unique experiences are how you bring to that And as I mentioned in this class, you know Technique people can go and take a commercial technique class or a promo technique class any of that But if they don't have a clear idea of who they are They end up trying to mimic everybody else as opposed to applying the technique on top of it It's like building a house without a foundation. The foundation is you if that's not there All the technique in the world no matter how pretty you try to make it look May not sell on your voice. So I think understanding your voice well and what and in relation to your unique Voice print or whatever you want to call it. That's what can ultimately stand out for you the rest You know The rest is a crapshoot just like anybody else, you know, yeah, and and it's it's You have to learn the sound of your own voice Which is you know, a lot of people record themselves the first time go. Oh, that's me You know and then but you've got to get used to that and it's not about having a great voice It's about having a voice and knowing what your voice is. Well even Don LaFontaine and we obviously talk about a lot, you know don Would say it's not a matter of having a great voice. It's what you do with it, right? And uh, what you do with it is what you do with it you dan me paul That's the defining difference everything else Is an imitation So unless you add some personal experience in it connect with the copy Don't care if it's a hamburger commercial unless you find some way of connecting with it personally Then it's not going to translate to people on the other end is authentic Right. Does that make sense? It does. There's never been a hamburger that I haven't been able to relate to So you're in good shape And there's so many good hamburgers here in Southern California. I can think of a few I couldn't relate Anyway, if you're just joining us our guest is paul pape actor voice actor a lot of other things and your producer And you started now after after you know a career and how many films you've been in 40 films or You're in there. Yeah, okay off and on. Yeah How did how does one drift into being a producer? Maybe it's not a drift. Maybe it's like I'm making a left hand turn and you can become a I think it's something I always wanted to do Uh, but until I had the financial means to kind of drift into that I didn't do it and we've produced We've produced several short films many of them award-winning in that We are working towards breaking and we are working with a couple of the studios now that have looked at a couple of things But it's been sort of um It was a side project for a while something that I always wanted to do I think it was just a natural creative extension of my own creative urges and create your own thing and uh There was a period where I felt like, you know, I've accomplished a lot in the field that I'm in or whatever But there's always more you want to do. I think all artists get restless, right? What does what does producing involve we hear that word all the time? producer Yeah, I guess it means different things to different people But what specifically is it that that you find yourself doing that you're really enjoying with it? What i'm enjoying. Yeah, instead of working for the man. I am the man Yes, sir, that's a very nice feeling Sure it is So, you know, what kind of things does that involve? Uh, well, you know anytime you produce a film, you know, you've got to oversee a lot of Script details the production details just like you and george, you know There's so much technical stuff to be aware of it pays to have a good Over an understanding of the overall film process. I happen to have a good partner Lincoln loggison who is a Very very experienced line producer and network producer. So he he's great at all that I tend to concentrate more on the creative side of it overseeing the creative aspect He concentrates on the technical and the production aspect of it and then We're now joined by liz bliss Who is She's she's been in the business and she was this knee. I she's an actress and she was nominated for an me in her 20s And happens to be my my lady now, but she happens to have the experience to be involved in that So i'm really happy to have her Involved because she's got a person. She's grown up in the business. So she is a perspective of all the Relationships within the industry and all that which is uh, which is invaluable because she's you know, she's great now That's great. Yeah, uh, once again, we're talking with paul pape If you have a question for paul pape and i'm sure they're like accumulating out there Put it in the chat room and jack daniel our czar of social media will get it to us And we will ask paul those questions when we get to that time in the show to ask paul those questions Anyway, one of the other things that you've been involved with last week We had bob bergenon who's a big proponent of sag after You know and talked about the benefits of membership and stuff You've been you've been involved in you know with sag after obviously as an actor But you've also been very active in trying to get the union to be much more helpful To us voice actors, right? Why has why has there been this this lag in them really understanding the value of voice acting to the entire entertainment industry And what have they missed and what are they now trying to do to make Make up for that or really try to attract more voice actors to to get involved It's a difficult question to answer because it depends on what side you're looking at it from Right, you know, I was on the board of the sag after foundation for eight years, you know, and um I've been very very involved in through the connections and I wanted to use those connections to try to make a difference I'm really concerned like bob is because bob and I are old friends and we've We've done our best to coordinate on this to get the message across We've had meetings. We've done our real best to educate the union as to the dangers that We feel Some of the pay-to-play casting sites and all that now I understand people are out there that are big proponents of this But to those of us that grew up working union contracts and understand the value that the union can bring to us in the way of Contributions to pension plans some sense of security standardization of rates that kind of thing health insurance health insurance, you know, it's all kind of very critical things and so Well, I can totally understand how um Voiceovers in a lot of ways have moved out of the three centers of the u.s Chicago new york and la and that it's being done more I I am concerned that uh the influence of some of this is dumbing down The business and making it riskier for people to make a good living and be protected in the process That's my point of view. Some people don't agree. I feel And we have tried to educate the union as to some of these because It is our belief that there has been a real serious erosion Of union work that is affecting that ultimately is affecting not only union actors, but The voiceover industry in general right and that it's not going to be a good thing in the end if we keep Accepting less and less or bidding against each other or that kind of so we have had meetings and that sort of thing where we've done On the other side I know the union has been educated. They're aware of this but um myself and bob and others feel they have been slow to react to addressing the issue For whatever reasons they might want to say why why is it that's they cannot say they haven't been educated to it They have been but they've been very slow to react to it And I think they're reacting to it is a protection not only for union actors, but for all voiceover actors And so, you know, the pressure continues. We're all continuing to put pressure on them About this, but sometimes the wheels turn slowly and I just think Technology and all the changes in the voiceover industry over the last 20 years have put have put Union actors to some degree at a disadvantage because the technology makes it available anywhere And I believe some of these companies are kind of exploiting it taking advantage of it I'm not a big fan of some of these companies personally I'm not trying to judge anybody that does use them. Oh feel free, but I do feel Well, because I know there are people out there that feel strongly the opposite, but I has somebody that is a Hardcore believer in what the union can do for you and who has personally benefited From what the union can do for me greatly I I am it's like a patriot that loves his country, but he can also see when it's missing the boat That's how I feel about the union But as somebody that really truly believes that I'm concerned not only for The future of the union's voice actors, but for voice actors in general. Maybe I'm repeating myself No, no, no, you're you're making total sense. I mean the industry changed tremendously As you said over the last 20 years technology made it available To everybody, right, you know, so anybody can do voiceover doesn't mean anybody should do voiceover But it does mean that anybody can do voice over right and Well, go ahead, but it's also expanded the amount of material that is being Recorded out there. I mean it's not just commercials commercials are a little tiny part of the voiceover industry, right, you know, you're talking e-learning and corporate narration and You know, there's there's stuff in europe that we didn't have access to today I just did a long thing for a european company today And if there's just so much more material out there Does is the union intimidated by that or no, I don't think that's it. I but I think that I think they've just been asleep at the wheel You know, and they're not they're not seeing the erosion for what it is in the long term Threat that it represents in a way that forces them, you know, they're they've got on camera to worry about they've got a lot of other They've got their own internal sense of culture, right and Again, I want to make it very clear no one is a greater supporter of the union than I But I'm also like bob. I really believe it. They got to wake up right because we don't want to see this this this Vocation dumb down to the point where it's worth nothing, right what you're talking about now There's a lot more work out there But the what it amounts to is salary compression You're working three times as hard to make the same money that you were I'm still one of the fortunate ones where I don't need to Or I don't need or or I don't work non-union work. Okay, but I'm I'm really kind of in a minority now You know, and I'm thinking about the people coming after me because I'm I'm well past the curve You know, I'm on the backside of it at this point Although I hope to work until I'm 80 like or 90 like peter thomas did, you know There's no reason. I can't you know peter thomas was awesome There's no reason we can't keep going but without those protections. Where's the incentive to keep going right at some point You know, uh, I've been you know, I enjoy the health the healthcare and all that But if we if we give up too much and it's up to the actors too, not just the union If we give up too much of the respect for our profession Then We are giving up basically all rights To a better future for our profession and in many ways it makes total sense Once again, we're talking with paul pape. You got a question for him throw it in the chat room We'll get it to him in just a couple of minutes now another thing we wanted to talk about is Your your your good friend the late don lefontein Who I had the pleasure to meet once you happen to have been good friends with him, which is 31 my goodness, uh One of the things that you and george george is still there somewhere. Oh, yeah, okay George and uh, and josep riano and a bunch of other guys Got together after after don passed away and you started The don lefontein lab at sagat tell us all about that Well after don passed away in 2008 actually it's coming up on the 10th anniversary of that. Um You know, we were looking for a way to honor him You know in some way because he'd given so much of the industry not as only as an artist but as a mentor and I had this I we had Kicked around a few different ideas And then I had this idea one day about what would continue don's example And I thought well some facility that would teach Beginning voiceover actors the equivalent of That limo ride he used to do which would basically serve as a mentor to them and help them along in a way that They could afford because the equipment's very expensive and all that and and would be open ground. So I pitched I knew george from don because he'd been working with don And I knew joe So I talked to the both of them about it and they were immediately on board and joe Who was well known in the promo field? Which wasn't one of my areas and he knew a lot of don's contemporaries Joe jumped in really quickly George said I got it. We'll handle this from the technical side, which we couldn't have done it without him And I was going to handle, you know the personal side and all the other it seemed it was a perfect combination so the three of us as co co-founders then reached out and We ended up with a 22 member of advisory advisory board with Some of the best in the business who most all of them contributed $5,000 each in the voiceover community raised about a quarter of a million and they The foundation matched that with another quarter of a million and you have the result was the don lafontaine voiceover lab Which was a hit right out of the gate and it's now served. I don't know how many Actors at this point there's been a sister studio opened in new york based almost entirely on the model of this one And uh, all of it is just following don's example without don I don't think the idea would have ever even occurred to me, but he said it's such a strong example over the years of our friendship that It just took over from there. And so We're gonna be having a On the 28th at the foundation. We're having a founders panel. I believe it's already sold out But there might be awaiting this but Which is going to talk about don and his legacy and what he actually brought And how it continues to live on to this day. I'm sure george can speak to this as well George you got a thought on that Well, I know one thing that I've heard countless stories about about folks who Got that chance to ride in a limo with don That yes, believe it or not don did actually work from a limo For a good long while when he was so busy He just couldn't realistically get to all of his sessions And um, if you were if you were fortunate and you got to got to know Some of the people don worked with you could get a ride along in don's limo and he was happy I mean paul you knew all about this, but he was happy to take someone along And just let you shadow him and learn from him and the folks that got that opportunity say it was just Totally irreplaceable. So, you know, that was just one of the ways that don would give you know Would give back he would do that for anybody that You know that could that could get that opportunity, you know, he would he would do that so Clearly a big giver and not long before he passed away We were working on some ideas that we're going to become educational products, believe it or not That don was going to help produce So This all just totally made sense when when paul Came up with the idea and approached me and and joe about it. So man I was clearly honored and that was a big project and for me personally Just a big feather in my cap to take on a project of that scale So just, you know, I'm really it's just going in there It makes it feels like you're going to see a kid He went off to college and now he's growing up and you walk in there Then you see the studio and you see how it's matured and how it's being used and And how it's it's just it's really uh proud It's very proud moment for me to go walk in that place and see How it's done Is it 10 years paul? There'll be well no 2010 so we're a little over eight Eight years Yeah And I think you you you bring up a good point that it's even today when you walk in there reflects the Who he was, you know, it's a very professional place. Yeah, you walk in there go and it stays above the gorge And I think we've done a really good job of keeping the mission of it. It stays above the fray of You know, we don't charge union actors non union actors are welcome But they're rarely able to get in because it's so full but the the idea is it it's called a lab for a reason It doesn't matter if you have no credits or 5 000 credits This is a place where you can feel safe and come and experiment and work And we built it with that idea in mind george's design was about Making it a professional working environment as well as a classroom And we worked very closely on that concept together and I think that's holding up really well All this eight and a half years later. I'm sure you'd agree right george Yeah, the classroom was when I was first kind of where we're working on floor plans We would sit and look at sight lines We really wanted them to the room to be able to see into the booths and So we worked very hard on sight lines. It really was design number one to be a Educational facility that can that has the capability Of doing production quality work, which we've definitely achieved that I'd say Yeah, we've produced quite a few success stories too. Yeah, that's great. I wish I was around for that Yeah, well because being an educator it would have been great to watch you guys design a classroom But you did a good job. It's just gorgeous Once again, we're talking with paul pape and we're talking about all sorts of things If you got a question once again, throw it in the chat room and we will get to that question in just a couple of minutes So stay tuned. 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Get my bald spot a little little more in the back, please Can I still talk though? Sure. Okay Um paul, thank you so much for this interview You're getting a lot of love in the in the chat room and it's well deserved With your big success in politicals something. I don't know a lot about Do you approach it differently than you would say commercial or something else? Do you have certain characters or can you tell me a little bit about your process? I'm not characters. I think the distinguishing difference between political and anything else Is the weight of the responsibility of the message And I know people that will work both sides of the fence And I just consider themselves a hired gun I'm not one of them, you know, I work for the democratic party. That's who I am I'm not Into a political conversation, but I believe you got to really believe what you're saying I'm not interested in delivering what I consider to be. I consider to be propaganda It's what I believe in So I think this what they're looking for there is a sense of conviction You have different types of ads you have imaging ads you have attack ads You have what they call brand, you know a branding ad, you know, there's different forms of political ads Some are just done by a say a political action committee To make a candidate on the opposite side not look good without mentioning anybody on your side But the overriding thing in the read is to stand is to have conviction about what you're saying Then you just apply to it whether it's an attitude or something It's it's there's so much political advertising in this country now But I think people are basically overwhelmed by it all and there's very big money being spent on it So the people that cut through aren't just the droning voices It's the people that actually believe in what they're saying And uh and who are actually making a point I did one ad that was very successful for hillary clinton They were it was just a shot of the white house at night with a flag and they were worried about What a nuclear what the what the response to a nuclear confrontation would be Well, you feel the weight of that message as you're speaking it, you know, and that's very important You're communicating to millions of people so But it registered I think because the metaphor was simple And uh, I could connect with the message because I truly believed what I was saying So I think in political perhaps more than anything else I think you always have to believe in what you're talking about But in political the message has a lot more resonance and I think a lot more responsibility at that It's not yeah, I love that answer and I remember that ad A quick uh follow-up which isn't really a follow-up just an excuse for me to do another question Yeah, you have fun anecdote from the making of the interrogation that you could share Hmm Nobody's ever asked me that We Don maybe you should give a little background Yeah, the interrogation is a film that uh Don LaFontaine and I wrote and co-produced together And it was all Inspired maybe is the wrong word a very good friend of ours paul ganas who's also a voiceover actor and a good buddy of ours His son had contracted a plastic anemia, which is a form of blood cancer And his son was in the hospital for 18 months doing chemotherapy And we would take paul out to golf or whatever and paul Would just spill his heart out. He was just at a loss Sharing things with others that he couldn't so what inspired that movie paul said to us one day on the golf course and I'll never forget it He said I don't know how much more of this I can take I'm either going to put my son out of his misery Or I'm going to step in front of a bus And so we thought boy The decisions that go through a person's mind at a moment like that the war that they're at within themselves And uh, we just thought what is the cost of playing god with your own kids life And so don and I decided to explore that and that's kind of what um That's what inspired this film And there was a film festival being done that that dealt with themes like this We decided to take it on in terms of faith universal faith And it did very very well it ended up With 14 nominations and ended up at the palm springs film festival in all kinds of places and Uh, it went much farther than we ever thought it did but it came from a very personal statement Is it still available? It's still available. Yeah, it's not for sale really, but it's available I think you can find it on vimeo or something. We didn't you know short films don't really sell But we just wanted don and I did a lot of video projects together a lot of them stupid But that's the fun. That was just our that was just stuff We did you know because he was always tinkering and he could afford the toys his george will tell you He had more toys than he knew how to run and then And but we were always doing something like that and I think george was in on one We did when his kids had a circus at the school george and I ran camera for that and uh Yeah, actually, yeah, I helped with the audio production side on that Yeah, um, I was in I was in the in the switch room with don And the switcher wasn't working, you know, oh man. Yeah, that was intense. That was intense And I also was on I actually got to work on interrogation too. I did that's right. You did the sound I've followed I forgot about that. I was still doing production mixing at that time Yeah, that was a very interesting time for me. I was making that transition from production to Just working with folks like don. Yeah George has been a part of especially towards the end a lot of our project george was When we did a memorial service for down at the writer's guild george came in and Oversold the sound and recorded it for us and so yeah, he's been a big part of it And but that that was the genesis of that picture of the what it was and It was a resonating message and it came from something very personal that we connected with and The guy whose son it was he actually started the movie And cool. Yeah, all right george you get the next question from team man Yeah, it was very moving film Team man says hey man when he says he didn't say hey man. I added that He says wow so much good advice you have a mature voice Um, do you think that is part of your getting more work? In other words has your voice's maturation of tone? Do you feel like it's increased your bookings for me? This is for me. Oh, yeah, yeah for you. Sorry Yeah, I guess Life experience, you know, I've been doing it for three. Yeah, I started out doing, uh, you know 30 some year olds and now I'm doing older guys, but uh, I do believe that The experience that you that you acquire along the way Kind of comes out in your voice So I think some of what you might be picking up there a team man is it? I think some of that is it just comes from Having years and years of doing it and just being comfortable with whatever it is I comes out of my mouth and the way I do it so You know Confidence that's a big part of it. Yeah, and now a tech question from greg hill George, yeah, yeah, of course. We want to know a little bit more about your gear He's asking what your go-to Mike is and I might want to know a little bit more about your studio too because Well, you could answer that question as well as anybody you put it together, but he's asking You know I've ever recall your go-to mike is is the 416 is that still 416 and the 103 Depending on the on what we do, you know so the To me that the 103 has all the bells and whistles of the u87 And in a smaller package, you know for a voiceover artist, right exactly the padding and all that but uh That's my those are my go-tos. I'm using the 103 a lot more now Especially for the political it gives a little more warmth to it and overall a little more sensitive But I like the 416 on the road Because if I get into a hotel room or something like that, you know, it's a little more targeted and So I tend to use that when I'm in a place. That's not quite as as Soundproof as my studio or whatever, right? My favorite piece of equipment George will talk is my the ua Apollo that I have that's a great piece of equipment And that's and be able to do presets and I can run everything from in the booth with the plugins and I just I love that now I have a twin that I carry with me on the road and what I call my nuclear suitcase And I do all the football. Yeah And I and I just got my mixer face I was one of the people that crowdfunded with it and I haven't Cracked the case on it while I cracked the case, but I haven't used it yet But I'm really glad to know how it worked with the 103 I was very carefully tracking where he put the gain settings and all that and I'll be mimicking that as I give it through the braces But that's going to be a nice thing just to carry around if I'm working somewhere else around the road And I need to do a quick audition and I want it to be broadcast quality I could carry that with me and use that anywhere So it's going to be very effective in that way because you never never know where they're going to need you Or call you right and all I got was a t-shirt. Yeah I was on the I was on the golf course yesterday and had to Stop in the middle of my round to go home and do a pickup for something God if I had The equipment with me, I could have done it that way and they could have just mixed it in You know, I could have done it right there in the car because of the battery powered aspect You know Dr. Kel the announcer Asks and we sort of talked about this. What's the latest on the fabulous don lafontaine voice overlap? You said you've you've got the panel coming up. What other things are offered? We're in the middle of what's called a founders series right now and Founders series is all the people that helped Create the lab the advisory board are coming together to do a series of panels We're doing one on the 28th, which is All the people that personally knew don just talking about don to kick it off. Then we have george I know is planning to do on home studios. We're going to have a large promo panel Animation panel people like james arnold taylor and rino romano and people like that So we're going to do a series of panels and on top of that We're bringing back the poker tournament that we had oh great on a smaller venue Okay, we're going to be doing the first one at don's house And it'll be a little more of an exclusive event because we were finding that when we did the big one It was a lot of work and a great party But with all the overhead We weren't bringing in as much for the lab as we could but now we can do the same thing On a smaller more exclusive level and so we're going to be doing that private homes And I'd say the big thing coming up is that we're going to be producing a Spoof of the old radio dramas radio plays excellent Which is what I had in the back of my head when I was asking you if these old mics work because we might need them Oh, they do you know, so if they disappear blame george because I'm when he's going to be helping him But uh, we're gonna it's a it's a wonderful thing written by melissa disney's husband that i've actually done once already And it's uh like the behind the scenes High jinks of a old-time radio drama a lot of fun. Oh, those are great It's always great seeing one of those done on stage Yeah, I'm done as a radio and that'll be a couple of nights at a theater for a couple hundred people at a time So that'll be great. Cool. And uh, tom mation has a question george There's not much that paul hasn't done in vo from seeing his list But uh, so what's actually on his bucket list? So paul, what is something you haven't gotten it done yet? You want a voice over wise? um uh Well, let's see I think I I would like to do I'd like to have a reality show Like uh mountain men or something like that Because I watch those shows all the time ice road truckers. Yeah, you know I'm perfect for those but I I haven't pursued them hard enough But I'd like to have one of those on an ongoing basis people. Yeah You know because I'm such a you know I just you know, I watch a lot of them, you know, and there are some I go I don't That would be easy. Yeah, I could do that. So I'd like to take one of those on if I could promos is something I've been in and out of my whole career I haven't pursued it. I've been you know, don used to push me hard to go for that But I was busy doing the other So I probably would like to revisit that area a little more than I have Although I've been able to do a fair amount for fox sports and some other people But uh, that's an area that I feel like There's a little more room for me to fill the Fill the tank a little bit on that one, you know, so Fred north has the last question He says the union doesn't seem to make any sense for a voice actor in the flyover states Why in Louisville, Kentucky should I join the union and how would that help me? Fred to be perfectly honest. I totally understand your reason for asking that question and I I don't really know other than I know that the protections that the union does afford us Are critical to having a future in it, but if you're just beginning And you're working and you're in you're located somewhere else Um as much as I'd like to tell you to do it I don't want you to cut your nose off to spite your face either But I do think that as as a profession We need to come together Regardless of where you are to protect our profession in terms of how much we're paid and ever we do need to hold the line Yeah, whether it's a union line or a non-union rate I think Dave Kovace and wovo are doing a great job in that regard and you're involved with those guys You know, there has to be some sense of standardization. Otherwise, we're all prone to being taken advantage of so I In lieu of not being in the union Just, you know, watch your back. We are businessmen as well as talents. The one thing that's really Changed in this business over the years is that we've had to become Technicians not just voice over artists if we're going to work out of the home We have to be able to handle it technically. I think that's got to be worth something It's not just about our voice, right I tend to think that yeah, you got the equipment to support you've got everything else to do But I think you would wholeheartedly agree that that is part of our job now to understand that So if we're going to take the time to understand it and invest in it, I think that's worth something Yeah, so my my thoughts are always like You need to learn it so you don't have to worry about it You know, it's like hit record and go make sure that it's right and So you don't have to worry about it. The only thing you really want to worry about is what's on the paper and that sort of thing I'm I'm technically proficient, but I'm not you or George. Okay What I one thing I like about the George comes in he sets the presets up for me on the UA Apollo I know which one to go to depending on if it's a commercial rate or whatever I'm but I can you have to know enough to troubleshoot if something goes wrong So I know enough to be effective and to be able to deliver a product quickly be professional get it to them quick I know how to troubleshoot my own things But the better you understand it the better off you are And uh, you guys are obviously the masters of that. Well, we appreciate there's a plug for you, but it's the truth Well, thank you. We greatly appreciate that. Yeah, we appreciate that don't we? Yes, yes, we do Okay, nicely said well, paul Thank you so much for coming back and joining us here and coming to the the new studio here and Alrighty, good luck to everybody. All right Uh, if if they want to get ahold of you if you're teaching are you teaching privately at all? No, I don't I know smart, you know, I teach at the lab, but I don't charge for that But uh, I like giving back in that way, but no, I'm not teaching as of now. Maybe that'll change someday But yeah, you have any other projects in the works right now with your production company Well, we're getting the we've got two or three that we're trying to we've got a feature that we're trying to break down into a Seven-part series now because that seems to be the way to go with Netflix And we also have another picture over at the hallmark channel. So we're waiting for word on those There seems to be Some interest. We'll see what happens. Alrighty. We're trying to tickle those along. All right. Thanks a lot for having me All right, paul pepe everybody. 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