 That's right. He is a Hall of Famer, five time All-Star, 13 year vet, Tim Hardaway senior joining us now. I know you are in Indy. You just told us that. I didn't know. I'm not cheating here. And you've done a ton of All-Star games in your career. Do you have a favorite memory that stands out as we get things kicked off? Yeah. You know, one year I suppose has started and magic had retired because of, you know, the situation that he was going through. And I was on a starting team and magic was able to play. And they said, yeah, he can play an All-Star game. And I said, I would give my starting job to him. And he went out there and got MVP. He took my MVP. So yeah, that wasn't on land though. So yeah, that's one of my moments that I had at the All-Star game. Every time I see magic, every time I see magic, you always thank me. He said, thank you, man. I appreciate that. I say, yeah, Tim, in five of those All-Star games you played with or against Michael Jordan. And one of those games he had a triple double. Which is kind of crazy in an All-Star game. What was the most impressive thing you saw him do during those All-Star games? Was it the triple double or was it something else? Well, you know, we played against Michael, you know, at least five, six times during a course of the season when I was with Miami Heat. So, and I played against him during the summer in Chicago too. So, you know, it nothing amazes me about Michael because I played against him so many times during a course of my career and, you know, coming out of Chicago too. But it's just every day of him coming in no matter what. If it's pick up basketball, he's gonna play hard, he's gonna go out there and give it to you and he's gonna go out there and compete. And that, you know, that's every game. I remember we used to play also against Chicago Bulls. He went out that day and shot 36 holes of golf. Came in to the game that night and almost won it for him. He was like six or eight for like 30, something like that. But he almost made the two jump shots. They crawled in and out of the basket and they almost won that game, game three. So, yeah. Yeah, I tell you this, he's a phenomenal player, you know, when he was on the court, he was always amazed because he was always prepared. 36 holes and then do that. All right. So, there's a moment when he had 50 against you when you were in Miami. And the legend is that you said something in a paper, like in the newspaper. Do you remember this? Is this what happened? Did I say something? No, no, no. Yeah. That was for Sean Leonard that said something. What was said? Because I feel like you don't say anything about Michael. But Sean Leonard said something. We don't know what he said, but only thing I know Michael told Pat was, could tribute this ass kicking because of him, Sean Leonard. And that's all that was said. That's all that was said. And we was like, and we come to find out that he was kind of chirping in his ear. He wasn't loud with, he was just chirping in his ear. And yeah, that's what that was. It wasn't me that said anything. Okay, yeah, you know, Leonard just chirping in his ear talking to him. He didn't know. He didn't know. What was it? What was that like trying to try to guard him, trying to stay in front of him at that time? You know, obviously the rules have changed from, you know, that time period until now. But at that time, what was it like trying to guard him? Well, he never took me outside the post. He always because he knew if he dribbled in front of me, I would take it from him. I was good at stealing the ball from him because I count his dribbles and I saw, you know, that he didn't get down all the way. But he always posted me up in his footwork was incredible. His footwork with the right pivot foot or the left pivot foot, you could tell that he worked on that for hours and years. And his footwork was impeccable. And he has spin moves. He has, you know, jump shot, spin shot, all type of stuff. But his wheel to just put the ball in the basket was incredible, man. Just incredible. It seemed like any shot that he took, it was going in. I mean, if you had your hand up right in his face, it didn't matter, you know? And like I tell people today, they say, how can you see the basket? I said, most guys, when they shoot, they don't see the basket because people are in front of them and jumping in front of them. It's all repetition. It's all them hundreds and thousands and millions of shots that you have taken and repetition each and every time you out there working on your game. So you know where the rim is at. If you shoot threes, you know, a thousand times, you know, Chandler, you know, Lou, you close your eyes and you can shoot the ball. And you know that it's going in because you didn't shot that same shot at that same spot thousands and thousands of times. So that's where he was. If you, you, you tried to guard him. If he missed, that was a win for you. Tim, this weekend, there's a lot of buzz around the dunk contest simply because Jaylen Brown is in it. And he's the first ball start to participate in the dunk contest is 2017. Do you think he'll kind of kickstart other star players doing this like they did in the eighties and nineties? Like, I tell you this, he better come with some stuff. If he don't come with some stuff, the other all stars are not going to dunk in a dunk contest. So he better, I hope he does. And Lou, you know what I'm saying, Lou, you better, I mean, if you're going to dunk in a dunk contest, like, for instance, you know, you had Trace McGrady, or you had Vince Carter, that was in the all star game. They was in starting an all star game and he went out there and put on the show, but the dunk contest, that's what they want to see. So Jaylen Brown, my advice to you is you better put on the show because if you don't guys going to be like, you know what, that's why I save my legs. I need to rest. That's why I'm not in the dunk contest. Yes, he better put on the show, but I wish him well. That's what I'm worried about. But that's why we're that's why we're saluting them. Yeah, that's why we're saluting them because we want guys to listen, put all of the fear aside, put on a show for the fans, even if it's not going to be your best outing, the fans at the end of the day, they sign up for all star weekend. They want to see the best of the best, do the best things possible. They want to see him shoot threes and dunk and do all of those things, you know, no disrespect to none of the other guys that's well, well deserved. We love to see the Matt McClungs of the world and in the toppings and all of these guys dunk. But we're there to see our all stars be the best athletes in the world. And so they just got to put some of that pride aside and just sign up for it. It's making me nervous now. I agree with me. I agree. Now I'm excited. Yeah, I hope they don't get scared because this is the step in the right direction. Tim, so we got to talk run TMC obviously. Is that are those years that your favorite time? I know the shirts awesome. Is it your favorite time playing basketball? And if you guys had stayed together longer, what do you think the ceiling would have been? I had first of all, I had great times in Golden State and with the Miami Heat. But starting off with Golden State Warriors, Chris Mullin, Mitch Richmond run TMC. We got the Bay Area rocking. We rolling. One thing we had Alton Lister when he we got him as a free agent from Seattle. He came in and the first game of the preseason he towards Achilles. So that kind of hurt us and put us took us back a little bit. And then, you know, we went to the play awesome played against the Los Angeles Lakers. We was under man because we had to have Mitch Richmond guard Lottie D. Valk and we had to gimmick and all this and all that. So I mean, but the time there was was great. We had a great buzz. You know, we had a future day if we would have kept Mitch Richmond. And you know, Don Nelson finally said that his worst mistake of his coaching career was trading Mitch Richmond. We had a nucleus there. And the only thing we needed was some pieces for us to fulfill. And we would have went far. I think we could have contended for a championship myself. But and I know Chris and Mitch, they think so too, if we would have stayed together. But we had something fantastic there. And you know, it was like when when Mitch got traded, it was the beginning to the end. And that hurt us because we had a great nucleus and we we had fun playing. We knew we were each other was you know, I'm Mitch going 25, Chris Mullins going 26, I'm scoring 22 and having 10 dimes a game or 11 dimes a game. I mean, it was just remarkable basketball. And we knew, you know, how to use our other teammates to get involved and make them happy too. So we just knew how to play and we had fun playing with each other. Yeah, Tim, you mentioned both of them, Don Nelson, Pat Riley, both legendary coaches. Did one of those guys have more of an impact on you on and off the court than the other? Or they both are just awesome to play for? Both was awesome play for both was also our awesome guys on and off the court. You're talking about X's and O's defense of why a lot of people don't think that Don Nelson is a defensive strategist. He is a defensive strategist. He just he likes to gimmick. He likes to do this. He likes to do that. But he understands that if you played the defense the way you want that he wants you to play, he you can win games. All right, down. Pat Riley is like in your face. We don't play D. You don't get over pigs. We're gonna blitz the the pick and roll. There's no switching. None of that stuff. But in today's game, I think they they they couldn't adapt to today's game because young players are totally different now. And you know, when you grew up the way we grew up and how the game was played at that particular time tough, rugged, beat you up, knock you down being so physical. You know, today's game, they they'd be like, you know, I don't understand it because that's the way they play to you got to understand Pat Riley and Don Nelson played the same way. So when we was playing, we played the same way. But man, those two, the innovators, they understand the game in and out. They always pay the attention to details. And that's what make them great, great coaches. Now, you know, when we break out the basketball dictionary and we look up the word crossover, your picture is going to be right there as the example of who championed the crossover. I got to know, how did you perfect that? And who was who was one of your favorite victims that you call with that crossover? Well, you know, it wasn't a favorite victim. It was just, I just like to go out there and compete and like to go out there and play. It didn't matter who you were, where you were. If we was in a pickup game and I didn't know you from Adam, I'm still going to go at you the way I go at anybody else. And that's the way I was brought up. That's the way I made up. And I used to practice in a basement. My basement, I had an unfinished basement. My parents did. And we had two beams, you know, like probably about five feet apart, seven feet apart. And I used to imagine it that I'm playing in front of some guys that I wanted to play against in high school or in college. And this is what I do to them. So I'd be down there for about what an hour to an hour and 15 minutes just dribbling the basketball in and out moves crossover move between the legs, spin moves and just perfecting, you know, just the craft of dribbling. And so when I got out on the court, whatever I did, it wasn't new to me. I just did it in general. So if I come and cross you over, I'll come in and out and put it behind my back. That's what I was practicing. And that's what made me confident to go out there and do it against you. So, you know, I didn't know I had a move like that. I just went out there and just played and competed. And when I needed it, I just did it. And I'm going to tell you this, I didn't know that I was doing it. I was just out there just hoping and trying to get myself open, get to Ram, make a play because back then, like I said before, we played in the playgrounds. It's a bunch of it's a lot of physical activity out there. Hands pushing, shoving, grabbing, holding. And in the park, you can't call about all the time. So you have to get through that and you have to devise a move to get your body around people in a box, not out the box. We was always in this little box type box. And we used our shoulders to get past you to make a play. So that's how I was taught. And it just took me to the next level. Looking around, looking around the league with that said, who do you who do you think got the best handle right now? Who do you really like? Oh, you know, Carrie Irving. No question, Carrie Irving. I, you know, my son plays for the Dallas Mavericks. And I get to watch all their games and some of the stuff that did you see what he did? First of all, to, to Wambanyama. Did you see? Here we go. When he went baseline and he kind of shot it over his head. And I mean, over a seven foot four, seven foot five guy that, you know, that that's difficult to do. That's very difficult. So, but I, you know, Carrie Irving is, you know, one of the best right now. You know, you got, of course, you got to put Steph Curry in there. You know, of course. But yeah, you know, I just think right now, Carrie Irving, if you, if you're on the island with him by yourself, it's going to be danger for you. And it's going to be danger. You're going to be like, you're going to be calling for help, for sure. I'm glad you mentioned your son, 11 seasons. I feel like time has flown on that one. But was there a moment, you know, I think when you're a great basketball player and your son wants to do the same thing, is there a moment where you're worried that he's not going to have the right stuff? Did you know when he did? Yes, I was worried. Yes, I was worried. And I was like, you know what, he may not have it. He may not have it. But it was an instance where he wanted to come out of college after his sophomore year. And I told him, no, you're not ready. He was upset with me for telling him the truth. And he said, what do I need to work on? And I told him what he needs to work on. And he went back and worked on it. And he got himself better. And the next year after he lost in the finals to Louisville, he said, by the way, they got cheated that game, the referee cheated that game. I just want to let you all know that. But a week, a week later, two weeks later, he said, dad, I'm ready. I said, yes, you are, son. Yes, you are. And he, you know, he just fulfilled all the boxes, dribbling, passing, shooting a ball, being a captain out there, being under control, being a leader, understanding that who to get the ball to, he's very unselfish. Sometimes I wish he had just shoot the ball and be selfish, selfish. But he's very unselfish. If he see you open, he's going to pass you the ball and say, shoot the ball and make the shot. That's the way he is. That's the way he's always going to be. And I think that the Dallas Mavericks, I want them to run some more catching shoots for him. Some, you know, some floppies. Just like you, Luke, you know, a score, a jump shot shooter needs to get their ball. They need to have an offense ran for them so they go out there and feel like they're in the game. You know, him just being in the corner, just sitting there. That's not him. He needs to be in the game. He needs to be moving. And I wish they run more, more, more movement for him. Floppies, you know, a couple of staggers for him and just move him a little bit more to get him in a Florida game. So, but, you know, he's, he's out there. He's having fun. He's enjoying himself and he's doing what that he, that I want him to do and he wants to do. And I'm very happy for him. I love just watching them play. I have a joy every time I'm there watching them in person. I'm just in another world. Tim, earlier this year, earlier this year, he actually passed you on the all-time three-point leaderboard. What was that moment like, obviously, as a father to see that happen? I'm going to tell you this. If we shot threes, like they shoot threes, that he would have never caught me. He would have never caught me. But, you know, if, if, if you want somebody to break your records, you want it to be your son. You know, you wanted to be your son and go out there and break your records. But, but the thing is, is hard way, Tim, hard way junior senior is still in the books. That's all that matters. Perfect. That's fire, man. That's so, that's so fire. Tim, Junior, he's, he's one of the favorites to be in the sixth man of the year conversation. Why are we on the show, make a case for why he should have it? Why, well, you know, he's come, he comes off the bench. He's a lethal factor on their team. At times when they, when, definitely when they need a boost, they go to him, they run offense form, and he makes shots and he makes plays. You know, it just like you, Lou, when you came off the bench, you could see the game and you understood what you need to do and how you need to do it. You know what, we not getting to the free throw line. I got to get to the free throw line. You know what, they not guard, they not coming off, they not getting over the screen. They let, they going under the screen. So I, I get my rhythm shooting at three. You always had that little, what you call it, one or two dribble, going left and hitting your guy and shooting and shooting and getting to foul, which I was like, that's not a foul, Lou. But anyway, the rest called it for you because you, because, because you, you, you worked on that and the reps gave it to you and we knew it's, it's just like Dale, Dale Curry. Don't let him drive, don't let him dribble one left. If he dribble that left hand one time, it's going in. So make him go right. So yeah, we knew that, but yeah, he, he, his case is, I want them to run more offense form. When he runs, when they run more offense form, it helps them as a team, be a better team, but it helps him to be involved in more stuff that, that they saying that his team needs and they don't, they don't have to rely on Luca and Kairi for everything on offense. Last question, and y'all was prime. I know y'all games in, in the styles are, are, you have some similarities. Obviously that's your son, but you guys play different. And y'all primes 101. Who doing what? I'm killing him. I'm killing. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make him move them feet. I'm gonna make him tape them ankles up. I'm gonna make him move. I'm gonna, I'm gonna have them touching them more. Yeah. Come on, Lou. Come on, Lou. That's what I wanted. That's what I wanted to get. That's what I wanted to hear. That's all I wanted. You had to ask. Yeah, I'm gonna bag them up, you know, and use all my back and jump hook them to death, all that stuff. Yeah. Poor guy. Poor guy. Tim Hardaway senior. This has been a pleasure. Thank you so much for the time. Enjoy all star weekend. We will all be watching slam dunk contest. Come on, stars. We'll be back with some more running back. Y'all doing a great job. Keep up great work. Keep giving people information about everything. And thanks for having me on. I appreciate you all. Thank you. Thank you so much. We appreciate that. We'll be right back. Yes, sir. Like a running back, you know, and all over the map because you make it collapse.