 hi we're live you know stop Johnson is back yeah they're all sick that that rumbling you here in the background is Roger Chang or my stomach I don't know which I just know okay I'm gonna go on cannibalism not a good Roger just look if a producer does a kick-ass job filling in not even filling in but keeping the show alive for two weeks while you're gone the last thing you do is cannibalize him cannibalize him for what wait are you gonna eat me no I'm not that's what I'm saying I'm not even gonna joke about it cuz I eat a lot of questionable dietary I'm not sure that's just good you're gonna go that tactic I'm unhealthy you wouldn't like me I'm not very well I'm not supposed to eat top predators because they collect all the poisons everyone else eats like whale meat is super toxic now because they're top predators yeah don't eat humans humans especially if you've had any sort of booster vaccinations or anything like that oh yeah they're they're injected with hormones and it's why you can't eat racehorses because they're not safe for human consumption too many drugs FDA that's why that's why you don't eat racehorses that's that's the reason the reason I don't hey horse meat's a big business yeah I love that you're a pig of lasagna yeah for a while there they even called it beef it's it's an in-joke it's pretty good because two years ago two or three years ago they covered that a bunch of beef products are actually just horse meat the test is like why are you selling horse meat you flabelled at beef here it's richer in it is Scott you've been so hungry you could eat a horse I know I have been very angry to eat a horse I'm okay I'm good but you would rather not try to be good today and not snack for no reason eat horses in connective that phrase it was I'm so hungry I could eat an entire horse back before eating a horse at all became yeah we don't waste any of the horse back then the horses were much smaller who they're like ponies they were in black and white too all right let's stop talking about eating each other and what are you saying all right all right no that here we go daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support this is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday September 14th 2016 on Tom Merritt back in the saddle on a Wednesday with Mr. Scott Johnson thank you so much for filling in over the break Scott it was entirely my pleasure and we missed you terribly I think that while I would argue everybody who did replacement shows for you did a fine job it's not quite the same and we don't like the Tom free world we were living in so really glad you were able to come home from Asia. It takes a village to do a daily tech news show and I think that was on display the last couple of years. A few village idiots is the way I like it. A whole bunch of a village idiot is very proud to be back and we're going to be talking about Uber and their launch of the self-driving cars for passengers but Scott Riot announced a League of Legends now has more than 100 million players every month. What do you think of that? Well I think that that is quite the achievement in also 10 years of time they just celebrated their 10th year as a company not long ago a couple of days ago and it's impressive on one hand that they've got the biggest game online game in the world and it's impressive on the other hand that something is complicated and hard to play as a MOBA for average players is also holding that same position. So a grats to them and our friends over there we know a few people on the inside and 10 years 100 million name another company that did that and I'll buy you a drink. An in-game drink. All right here are some more top stories. Amazon announced the Amazon Echo will be available for pre-order in the next couple of days for 150 pounds in the UK and 180 euros in Germany. If you're an Amazon Prime subscriber in either of those companies you get a 50 pound and or 50 euro discount those are already equivalent currencies so one of those is getting a better deal. In addition there's now a white version of the Echo so in the UK and Germany you can order your Echo in black or white and the white version will be coming to the US as well that's launching later in the autumn. Amazon also has a new version of the Echo Dot that's the little hockey puck looking one that comes with a very small speaker but is meant to be attached to an existing speaker that you have. Remember that ran out of stock here in the US it is back in stock as a new version that is cheaper it'll be shipping in the US and the UK October 20th and in Germany on October 26th it also is not currency equivalent it's only 50 bucks in the US but it's 50 pounds in the UK or 60 euros in Germany you can get discounts if you buy packs of six and buy like five get one free basically or 12 Scott you buy 10 you get two free. How big of a flat that you need 12 dots in your house I guess. Yeah maybe you live in a German castle I suppose but I see those are available with black and white that looks nice. Yep those are also available in black and white. I feel like a bit of a dummy I didn't know the UK and surroundings didn't have the Echo yet I assume this was a worldwide rollout and I was wrong I didn't know that so good job guys you're finally getting the probably still arguably the best voice assistant consumers can purchase or at least for the time being I really like it so good luck and white looks cool if I if I thought it was okay to just chuck money at something I'd probably get a white one or if I had waited I would get a white one and would fit better in the house. I think they showed dirt less than the black ones. That's true no offense to any dirty Echoes. My Echoes are all dirty and another point here the new dots can detect multiple instances are happening so like what I have an Echo and a Dot my Echo is in the kitchen and the Dot is in the bathroom and if I'm standing halfway in between in my house and I say hey Al, Exa, do this then both of them will answer and this this new Echo Dot will sense that and no like oh I don't need to answer because the other one heard or vice versa so I guess that's why they they ran them out of stock is they wanted to put this new version that has this new voice sensing and also is available in white. Well at first it was getting US premiers of films first in the UK now it's getting better dots I see the trend happening. More dots. More dots. Nice reference. Tim Cook told the US TV program Good Morning America that he thinks augmented reality is bigger than VR that being virtual reality. Cook said AR quote gives the capability for both of us to sit and be very present talking to each other but also have other things visually for both of us to see. Cook added virtual reality sort of encloses and immerses the person into an experience that can be really cool but probably has a lower commercial interest over time. That is I don't think a controversial statement and actually probably is true. Now who knows over time how this stuff's going to shake out certainly mixed reality is getting a lot of attention when people talk about these two technologies merging and Microsoft has a lot to say about AR as do others but I think he's probably probably right in terms of practical use cases in closing yourself in a world where you cannot be bothered and you are doing a thing that is sort of isolating you from the world. I think just by the numbers has less commercial opportunities than something that could be used in the same room same office, same boardroom, same whatever collaborative spaces that aren't quite as easy or more cumbersome in VR so I'm with I guess I'm with Cook on this one hashtag. Yeah I think it's interesting too that we are seeing Apple say in public not not in so many words but VR is not where we're going. I would definitely not expect to see any kind of Apple VR element here but AR he has mentioned before and there was a Financial Times article back in January that sort of insinuated their sources were saying Apple was working on some kind of augmented reality device so we may yet see an augmented reality hollow lens-ish type of thing coming out of Apple and it's fun to speculate what Apple's take on that would be especially because what we're very used to seeing Apple do with the watch with the phone with the tablet is come to a market that people have tried already not unsuccessfully and and sort of come up with the tiny refinements that make their version acceptable to at least their fans if not a wider populace certainly a wider populace with the phone so is there's not enough AR out there at this point do we have to wait for hollow lens to hit the wider market and for Magic Leap to actually become a real product before we will see Apple come to market with some sort of augmented reality thing. Yeah I'm very curious about it because they even in some ways they've been slow to appreciate it or embrace it or fully expose it on what the phone's able to do in AR it took you know Pokemon Go maybe as an example in more recent times to say look you can do more with AR and I'm guessing that woke people up a little bit or at least made them say okay here we go this is a combination of brand and technology that it takes it a little bit further and the truth is it's not all that AR anyway. Yeah right I mean it's just sort of a pointer towards what AR could be like it's not actually augmented reality. Exactly and I'm sure they've learned some lessons from that so so all of that said I wouldn't be surprised to see something like this from them and also I think AR fits better into their ecosystem it's easier to to do things that have some dependency on the other devices they're trying to push and sell with AR than it is to put them in a helmet that encloses out the world even if that's the phone they're looking at it becomes basically not a phone at that point. Yeah it's a viewing screen so that's another interesting question do we ever see Apple come up with a headset that is AR or is it integrated some other way is it in the watch or in the phone you know like and and it's more of AR that way of yeah I mean you have augmented reality in the iPhone right now in certain applications right so is that the direction they go or is it what we're thinking of with HoloLens of Magic Leap something you put on your head. Well if anything Google shown that they're they think this same way at least I believe that they do when they were you know the Google lens thing whatever it's called I've already forgotten the headset thing. Google Glass. There you go. Wow yeah how soon we forget. Google Glass was was literally an experiment in augmented reality in so many ways and it was a practical experiment and many could argue that it didn't work in lots of ways and the practicality wasn't there or whatever but but some of their best minds I think believe that AR is the future it doesn't surprise me that Apple even though their Johnny Come Lately sort of approach is clearly in effect. You mean Johnny I've Lately. Timmy Come Lately. Timmy Cook Lately. Yeah it'll be interesting to keep an eye on that. Traditional and also also let me just put a dot on this interesting to have the CEO saying things in public even if they're not 100 solid. Traditional desktop Windows apps those venerable old Win32 API types can now be obtained in the Windows 10 store. Previously the only apps you could get in there were the Universal Windows platform apps the UWP apps those are the ones that show up in that tile to interface. Those are the ones that can be accessed across platforms. Now developers can put their classic desktop apps and they just need to repackage them using the desktop app converter. This removes some of the sandboxing required of Universal apps while still providing the clean install upgrade and uninstall features that you get from store software. Devs can also add UWP functions to their desktop apps when they do the conversion. So for instance Evernote did this their new store version of the desktop Evernote app supports live tiles and notifications for instance. However converted apps will not run across all platforms like a true Universal Windows platform app so you can't run these Win32 API apps on HoloLens or Xbox or mobile at least that's not the way it's working right now but it does unify the store so that you can get the things that you really want to get through the window store if the developer and you want to negotiate your transaction that way. It's an interesting move given that this is probably a result of people people being developers not rushing at the Universal platform and saying oh yes please let's do everything that way many of them have been resistant some vocally so so this is probably Microsoft's way of walking it back a little bit and saying well all right you can you can not have to do that you can put your stuff in here here are the caveats and it's probably okay for most but I think what they would really like is if everybody embraced the Universal Windows platform idea so that future HoloLens projects and Xbox one and their entire family of products would have quote-unquote universal access to developers apps I think is is a noble idea and actually kind of a really cool one and perhaps the closest we've gotten to such such an end but I think developers are going to take their time and they like to do what they like to do and the PC world is weird and this is as close as they're going to get for a while. Yeah this is this is definitely a a move like restoring the start menu button right this is Windows saying yeah okay with Windows 8 we kind of thought we'd just move away from desktop apps and it turns out that's not what developers want and the Sacha Nadella Microsoft is focused on giving developers and customers what they want a lot more so than the Ballmer era Microsoft so yeah this doesn't surprise me as well as a sort of a transition mechanism and says hey you know what we don't we don't want to make it harder we want to make it easier for you. Yeah they're basically making steam for apps on the Windows platform and this is a step closer to doing that so well done Microsoft should have done it 20 years ago. Twitter announced something the launch of apps for Apple TV Xbox One and Fire TV this was on Wednesday it's going to let users watch live video content like NFL games on the Apple TV live tweets and the video stream will be viewable side by side users will not be have to be logged in to view the content so this is a natural extension to what they were already doing on twitter.com when you would see some of this content and I really enjoyed it I was surprised how much I liked some of that stuff I thought it was going to be weird. What did you watch? You've watched some things on Twitter? I remember it was oh gosh what was it? It was something where they had an exclusive deal oh I know what it was it was some e-sports stuff. Oh okay yeah they were showing some e-sports coverage on there and we were watching it for rally point and I was like oh well all right this is a nice little arrangement it's not them doing their own production or anything it's just making deals with with content makers and providers but it made twitter into something I wasn't used to it being the only complaint I had and I may have said it on an episode where you were here still the only thing I didn't think I liked about it was I when I logged into twitter I would see this thing at the top of the fold that would say hey click here to see this live thing and that was great and if I clicked it great I'd go look at it but if I looked at it forgot about it came back later it wasn't there anymore or it would just go down and you'd forget it was there so like there wasn't like a persistence to it. Yeah and I'm hoping I haven't seen these apps yet I'm hoping that they fix that because when twitter announced particularly Thursday night football NFL football coming to twitter but also some NBA content mostly pre-game post game content some major league baseball content my my thought was that's great I understand that twitter is positioning itself around live and that that fits with that but that very problem that you're identifying is an issue for me I if I want to watch football even on twitter I have to go look for it have to go dig it out it doesn't all it isn't always right there and second of all I want to watch it on my television and I know there's plenty of people who watch things on their laptops and tablets all the time and and those people don't aren't going to care about this but if twitter wants to pick up new viewers they've got to be able to provide that so having it available on these these set top box apps is a solution I was waiting for this to see okay does does the deal with the NFL preclude that apparently not and that's kind of a cool thing at least on the Apple TV to be able to say oh I can see live commentary along the side I might want to watch the Oscars that way perhaps where because generally when I watch award shows I watch them on twitter even though I have them on my television I'm just looking at twitter to see you know what funny things people are saying about what's going on or the debates that are going to be coming up I think twitter is going to have those as well so having those on these platforms I think is a really smart idea and one that I was hoping they would do not on Roku is interesting kind of wish it was on Roku so I'm not sure why it's not on Roku if maybe they just couldn't get what they wanted done in that development platform so an interesting collection here Apple TV Xbox one and fire TV yeah on the on the just a quick note on the mobile side if they do want to make it more meaningful for me and I was just looking at the app to kind of make sure I was remembering how I'd see it but the moments tab which is something that everybody's got on the twitter app and on the website for that matter would be a great place for it and it's there so I know I thought the same thing like super weird that is the default play for it but also I think very telling that you will not even have to have a twitter account to watch these you don't have to be logged in they want to bring people to the platform if they can get them to create account later great but that's they want to boost users they don't they don't need to have them logged in at this point yeah there's no way this was cheap so this helps recoup a little bit to to make it as exposed as possible a forester report estimates that six percent of existing jobs could be replaced by robots and intelligent agents like AI machine learning type things within the next five years that is by 2021 biggest impact will be felt in transportation so cabs self-driving cars obviously is what they're talking about there logistics shipping self-driving trucks but I think is what they're talking about there and customer and consumer service and that's where we're talking about chatbots AI and machine learning these are always the things that happen when a technology comes it's going to eliminate this amount of jobs I always like to think yes but that doesn't mean no other jobs come along to replace them or that we don't find other things for people to do but even if that's true and I'm being hopeful when I say that it is disruptive oh for sure I like to think of what I refer to as my one two three rule which is literally a rule based on Lotus one two three when it was launched and there's some really great content out there if you read up on when that came out and what the accounting world thought this was going to mean they thought it meant the demise of them their jobs their entire industry was going to be decimated by this simple DOS program and in some ways they're right it completely fundamentally uh machine calculating completely changed the way they did business and absolutely there was a big shift in where people worked and what they did but it actually in the in the sum of all things created way more jobs across the board not just at Lotus or then IBM who bought them and not just at excel and Microsoft and everybody else who came later but they created an entirely new industry that now had this great thing that accelerated everything and so now there's all these new opportunities some would argue a few bad but new opportunities in the financial world or in the you know the even just the math and the sort of tracking ledger world and it was great so whenever I hear stuff like this a lot of people's minds go oh no it's going to uproot everything and I look at it and go I don't know like you don't know is the problem is this thing could hit and we could see ai's and chatbots and everything sort of take over for traditionally human-based jobs but we don't know what that does to the rest of that economy I'm I'm very curious about it and it's and we're never going to get it overnight that's the other thing this stuff takes like a nice long tail to to work itself in and it's already been doing it for years so it's not like it's a new thing but uh yeah I'm bullish I'm bullish yeah even within companies when you think about it uh if someone leaves a job they aren't always replaced right companies don't look at jobs as units that must be always full so so I've I've been in plenty of positions where somebody quit and we're like oh so who are we getting to replace them well we're actually you know we're going to close that head count we're going to move it over here we're going to do some stuff that also can work in your favor sometimes uh sometimes I've also been in companies where departments got eliminated but instead of doing what you think would be the logical thing and saying well those those jobs don't exist sorry folks here's your severance pay thanks a lot they're like well we're gonna we're gonna find places for these people and and yes some of it is because we want to be good to our employees some of it is also like we have these resources it's less expensive to go replace to keep them and put them on another job than it is to go try to hire someone new and so if you do eliminate an in company job because you have a really good chat bot it isn't a foregone conclusion that you get rid of all of the people who are doing that job you've you've already brought them into the company you've spent money on them it's it's a it's cheaper for you to find something new for them to do that maybe could then increase the bottom line even further so there's a multiplier effect of having the chat bot and the person who used to do the job of the chat bot who can now do this other thing which makes your company even better that is something that can happen yeah and you're assuming a great increase in productivity and speed when the chat bot is good and reliable just like lotus123 was good and reliable and it meant you didn't have to sit there and nitpick over numbers all day you could have real flesh and blood blood people tackle new problems new issues you couldn't even look at before so yeah yeah i'm i'm big on this i can't wait to see how that all goes uh before i die uh our final story is perhaps my favorite after a seven month trial dutch police who are now my heroes uh believe trained eagles will be the reliable way to take down illegal uavs all right the touch so you want to get a drone out of the air a trained eagles your answer the dutch national police has started buying eagle chicks to train because the first national police force uh they are the first national police force in the world to do this they are going to train these great birds of prey to take down drones they don't want in the air for whatever reason they're illegal i love this idea and the idea that we are like think about this for a second like even in the shadow of the story we just talked about we are going to go to the most basic thing possible a man training a bird to take on a new technology that for whatever reason is not legally in the skies it is brilliant and i can't wait to see the first youtube videos to show up yeah i i love the scenario they give uh here which is a vip shows up and an unidentified quadcopter appears in the sky he has shuttled back into his car and the eagle is unleashed to take the drone down i just love it it's got such an adventure to it and it involves like leather and hoods and you just hear this thing go and just flies out takes out a drone you're done problem solve i think it's awesome i wish i wish it was a fun story when we knew that the dutch police were experimenting i i think it's amazing that they have been like yeah no this is really good idea and so we're going to start literally buying eagle chicks to train and training up you know some some force within our national police to be the the trained eagle masters of the dutch national police it's fantastic hey thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com get in there and vote and that's look at the top stories okay this past couple of days uber has been giving reporters rides in autonomous ford fusion cars they've got about 14 of them earlier this week uh they they were doing this in advance of announcing today the beginning of its public passenger program so here's what's going to happen a subset of riders i've heard it might be like highly rated riders that would make sense i haven't been able to confirm that but a subset of riders will be emailed an opportunity to opt in to the program now if they opt in so so this is not i happen to be in pittsburgh i use uber and whoops self-driving car i have to opt in i have to be in the several block area that this test is running in and then if i hail a ride within that test area i may not every time i may at random be picked up by an autonomous car remember there's only 14 of these things at existence an engineer will be sitting in the driver's seat and will occasionally take over to do things like change lanes to pass a stopped vehicle or even put on the brakes if they feel it's necessary uh they the area begins in just a few neighborhoods although uber says within a few weeks they would like to expand it to the airport and to a northern suburb the ford fusions are not the volvo xc 90s that we heard about when this was first announced in august those are still supposed to come later this year don't know what the deal is with that but the ford fusion hybrids have 20 cameras more than 20 cameras seven lasers 360 degree laser based detection and they say you know thousands of aftermarket parts because they want to make a big number because they customize these things but this is uber's research institute made car in the videos you'll see on like tech crunch or new york times there's a silver steel button that engages self-drive and then you keep your hands to on the wheel the engineer does they let the reporters drive these things too so that's how much confidence they have in them you keep your hands on the wheel but you don't have to the car will drive itself unless you tap the brake or touch the accelerator and then it immediately turns the car back over to you or there's a red button you can tap to do the same as a passenger you can request that the human take over at any time and they will uh or you can even press a button in the back seat that will end your ride if you're like i'm not comfortable doing this i went out of here none of the reporters said there was any discomfort in fact most of them said they got kind of bored because it just felt like a real human driving yeah i think that's i'm watching some of the video now it's interesting to watch them just sort of let the steering wheel flitter through their hands and always sort of be at the ready in case something needs to happen um but moreover i'm by the way the irony is not lost on me that we're talking about ai and machine learning and stuff taking over jobs from people and we're already now looking at a market that was disrupted by the likes of uber who came in and said hey traditional taxis sorry but we got this cool idea and now we're coming in and say hey sorry those who took over for additional taxis we've got this cool idea um but anyway aside from that uh what i like most about this and we discussed this a little bit on tms this morning i like the idea that they're doing so much uh human observation here this is a chance for these guys to say not only how are the cars behaving because i would have thought that's all they're worried about is the car doing what it's supposed to do or they have they thought of all the eventualities and all this stuff but they're also saying well what are the passengers doing while they're in these cars are they fidgeting are they nervous when the car breaks to the kind of hold on to things are they are they bored like you said like what are the why are they screaming yeah why why are they screaming and saying let me out please are they jamming that button that ends the ride exactly but but that is important i mean you forget how important it is for this this particular technological transition i think is going to best make that transition by people uh and companies and the people who are who are testing this stuff out being willing to say let's look at the actual human impact let's not just dust that away or say ah people are afraid of everything let's actually look how they're behaving let's look at it from a scientific method and and people in the know that would know how to take that data and disseminate it or parse it and i love that like i really really like that they're doing that and i'm not even that big of a uber fan but i i like the it feels like a really interesting scientific approach and i was glad to to learn how they were doing it so you're saying you're not an uber uber fan not a uber uber fan i i like this and it is way more of a research project than even i expected i think when they announced this in august as is typical in the modern society everyone leaps to the the most extreme conclusion they're just gonna let anybody get picked up by a self-driving car what if you don't want to be picked up by a self-driving car and obviously we i i i think those of us who took a second to think about it knew well they're they're gonna have to have some sort of opt-in mechanism or opt-out mechanism or something like that and it's it's way beyond that like like it it really is a research program that you're opting into you're well protected with two people in the car they say eventually they'll probably go down to just the one engineer in the car but to begin with they they don't want that engineer that's behind the wheel distracted by anything so they're gonna have a second one keeping track of all the data uh and and it is limited i don't think most people in Pittsburgh are ever going to get in one of these cars but it is a way to say hey we we really want to include actual people in this research and i think i'd like to say i think you said it really well that's that's an interesting and good thing for them to do i agree plus i'd want to get if i was in Pittsburgh and i and the car pulls up and there's nobody at the wheel but a guy who's sitting there saying i'm kind of watching this and we're doing this thing i go sweet let's do this i am i want to be on the ground floor of this you may get somebody who's super freaked out i don't know but but on the whole i think people are going to respond well to this i don't know what it is about the Pittsburgh market that makes this a good test bed but uh at the end of the day look this is all coming so the smart companies are the ones doing the the legwork now so that when the big questions get answered by the likes of congress and international governments and everybody else worried it's going to be nice to have a whole bunch of data like this to show leona in the chat room says i got into the car and it was awesome i'm from pittsburgh uh so so there you go we've got some first-hand experience there as as well here's the question okay as of today there are autonomous cars maybe not level four autonomous but autonomous cars of a sort in pittsburgh taking public passengers around now i was pretty pretty much on this wavelength when they first announced this back in august about how big this was uh this is ridiculously huge how long is it scott before this becomes common maybe not the norm but common where most cities uh in the world have a section of this operating and then beyond that how long before it becomes commonplace where that's the way we're getting around i mean i just spent a couple of weeks where i'd like had to get into a taxi and and surmount a language barrier to figure out how to get somewhere or just get on a train uh but you know it's it's not a train that i had to myself wasn't an autonomous car and it was a train driven driven by a person presumably uh and and this this would change that quite a bit yeah i also think the places you are in tokyo japan for example will be one of the places we'll see it happen sooner than later i remember when people asked me 10 15 years ago when we thought we'd see broad um acceptance of broadband technology around the country and that happened much quicker than i expected i suspect this will too we all want to act like this is some far flung thing and we have a lot of social barriers and you know pre uh determine human resistance to cars driving themselves and in the face of numbers like this one here from the new york times where it says 40 000 vehicle related deaths last year uh but we get somehow we were more scared of of uh of autonomous driving i i think it's sooner than we think i think that in a bold statement here five years most major cities and even some smaller markets will have either some sort of test run in progress or some of these existing ones we know about now will have expanded by then other companies will come will have come into the fray by then and it will be a much more common thing to not only hear about but actually see while you're out on those freeways so i say less time than more i don't think we're a decade out i think we're less than that yeah i think you're right i think it's going to be very soon for the start i think it's going to be very long for the common place uh because plenty of smart people say we're 40 years away from level four autonomous cars that just don't need a driver and they just go wherever you need to and i think that's right but i think what this shows is we can get a lot farther down that road than maybe some people think in the meantime and and we'll have this sort of mid-level thing and yes the the kids who grew up 50 years from now will be like your autonomous cars used to have to have a person sitting in the front seat what was the point uh but it'll be a while before we get to that point yeah we're we're in test rocket we're testing rockets right now it's kind of the the face yeah i'm excited i think it's going to be good leona in the chat also wants to point out pittsburgh has become a hotbed of technology google apple disney all have headquarters there we've gone from dumb yokel mentality of the steel mill era to the smart techie hipster city i used uber during anthro con and it was fun way better than a taxi and then i used the self-driving again and it was even better grins that's super cool so there you go uh we got other messages coming in as well uh chris in needlessly hot germany why why are you so hot germany that's not necessary uh chris says i was listening to you guys talk about project five and tom said the sims are only usable in the nexus phone i actually took chris to task i didn't say that i very carefully said the sims are a good and a limited number of devices like nexus phones because they knew a guy like chris in germany would call me out on that uh and it turns out there is a use for it that i did not realize uh that chris brought to our attention a friend he says a friend of mine is a fi customer and loaned me his ipad sim for a trip you can get data only project fi sim cards as long as you have one activated phone on a project fi account and then you can put them in an ipad or even in an iphone chris put his in an unlocked iphone 6s made an apn change and is now enjoying lte all over germany he says i have not tried to make any calls over it so i can't say the voice side works i'm using google or skype for that but sms signal and messages don't seem to have any issues well needlessly hot but needfully connected in germany no now it makes me want to go well maybe i should get a data only sim on because i have project fi on my 5x i could pop that in an ipad that's kind of that's kind of you have to have to have to have the non wi-fi only not ipad though it's got to be one of the yes it has to be an ipad with a sim card slot that's a good point i can't put it in the one i have now because it's wi-fi only but try to jam that in a lightening hole won't work yeah yeah uh also craig of nertacular fame uh wrote in and clarified that uh even though it is ten dollars a gigabyte a lot of people don't realize that you don't get charged ten dollars if you use less than a gigabyte it's actually one cent per megabyte not going to test of this because i just got my bill uh from the trip and i didn't it wasn't in ten dollar increments it was like i think i used three dollars and sixty eight cents worth of data or something like that uh he said i've spoken to people about this in the past and they don't understand that that the pricing is ten dollars a gigabyte as pricing goes and if you want to prepay but they only charge you per megabyte for the data you use at one cent per megabyte well that's a much better i mean because you may not even need to use near the the gigabyte range or maybe you'd i mean yeah and if you so you so if you if you want if you go to a gigabyte if you go less than a gigabyte you don't pay a full ten dollars for that you only pay for what you use it's great yeah i sent a sent a megabyte man i'm so glad we're over minutes now aren't you minutes were dumb i get that on my team mobile it tells me how many minutes i used even though it's unlimited and i just think it's funny to be like i don't even care why are you even telling me i don't look we've got all this old hardware that tells you how long people are on the phone i guess just keep saying we might as well give you a minute a couple spot reports on project five came in as well steve was in the republic of korea south korea july 14th to 21st he used a nexus 6p he was in different neighborhoods than i was he was in dongdaemun history and culture park jongno 3ga the brown and blue line and downtown train station and he said he had good service in korea so it definitely depends on where you are in Seoul he also went to busan and some other places that i didn't go and had decent service he also reported good service in taiwan and mike in chili as in cold not chile as in the country Buenos Aires reports from his honeymoon thank you mike and mike's spouse mixed results in argentina services predictably dropping to 2g when you're away from Buenos Aires the city only getting sporadic lte in the city and he also got the welcome to brazil message when he was near the border of brazil because it must have connected to a tower over on the other side of the border that's interesting wow by the way real quick the uh he said busan didn't you you mentioned that yeah my brother's from there just oh that that's the beach area yeah jumped out and freaked me out for a minute but yeah my brother is from i've adopted korean brother everyone listening i'm not weird i actually have no he's literally from busan that's amazing uh and then dan in san antonio texas uh wanted to point out that the note seven swap is not as straightforward as many people may assume uh you what's happening is you swap it in for a different galaxy phone he says in his area it's been a galaxy edge which was quite a step down from the note seven and a 35 dollar store credit he says sprint is doing something similar uh he's talking about the at&t store but sprints doing something similar and then the idea is that you will be able to then get a note seven that is good that doesn't have the defective battery later on so it's kind of a two-part swap now they want you to get rid of that note seven right away but they can't give you a replacement note seven so they give you another phone in this case it's the galaxy edge as a stop gap until you can get a note seven uh and dan and also bill burlingame uh both wrote in and said can anyone say removable batteries would have solved this problem all right so i have actually something to say about that this is i have always been okay with no removable batteries and phones because i haven't had any problems with them that's kind of on the companies to make sure is happening like if you're going to have a phone design and you're so thrilled about how thin and sleek and non-creaky and no little openings or whatever if that's your goal very apple goal then you dang where well better have like the best possible battery scenario for me and not a sudden recall of exploding batteries or whatever the problem might be because there are no other choices and it really did put them in a position where they had to do all kinds of crazy stuff they shouldn't have to give these other phones to people in this case they could have done the battery route but because they went the other way and they wanted so much to get rid of that it it was on them to make sure from an engineering standpoint manufacturing standpoint those batteries were as sound as humanly possible that's the trade-off and they didn't make it this time and it's unfortunate but i wonder what it means for the note eight or the nine yeah do you think they'll take that into design consideration and go to a removable battery as a if nothing else a pr move yeah i guess it depends hey if your battery becomes bad you could always just pull it out i mean like i remember antenna gate with the iphone four and i remember steve jobs explanation and remember all the back and forth about it and people saying when they held it in a certain way they'd get bad reception and i could prove it on my phone that that was a problem and i remember thinking man that's just one of those things that you've got to catch during q and a you got to catch it during engineering or else you're just setting yourself up because what can you do all you can do is take that one brick for another brick and that's what i guess note seven users are finding out this week yeah well thank you scott johnson as always what do you got going on to tell folks about oh i don't know i should probably have something specific but there's so much going on it's hard to do that i did do a recent bit of a revamp with my video game covered show the boop show boop over at frogpants.com slash boop and uh i have moved to something i've been wanting to do for a long time but was kind of afraid to try and reception has been off the charts positive so i think i maybe made the right move if you'd like to check out those changes frogpants.com slash boop has all the free subscription information about the show where you can get it and so on you get it wherever you get podcasts but um it's a little more of an essay approach to topics within the gaming business and uh mixing a lot of sort of interviews and audio from commentary around the industry as well as my thoughts some music some other stuff and it just makes it a little more i don't 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steaming up oh steaming up yeah yeah okay are you ready for some twit ball 140 character twitter football got it okay yeah sport yeah sports ball uh i am driving here village idiots there's an echo in the EU uber's fusion with ai uber opting into self-driving cars car w scottis one went literal with my quote where i said i'm with cook's hashtag and i meant to say hashtag i'm with cook so he just wrote it like amazon white castle still the top followed by the eagle has landed on the drone if it was i the legal the eagle has landed dot dot dot on the drone would work better for me what about with the drone because i assume the eagle would have the drone in its beak no it didn't if you saw the video just kind of knocked it there's i've always been wondering like doesn't it get injured by the little uh uh little blades the airfoils the little propellers that's why you have to train it properly yeah you can see how you're gonna you guys ever seen the movie eagle versus shark if that was more popular yes that that movie was not as funny as i hope she's sword above the lifted lamp hi but i'm my sweet freedom's door sorry i was playing when eagles fly by john ashcroft yeah john ashcroft forgot about that this totally went into my head when we were talking about that wasn't that at the christmas party or something no is it a press conference or no is that a theological seminary okay our own or an hatch this or something do they have a capital karaoke night capital karaoke uh okay so yeah are we going with the eagle has landed on the on the drone yeah cool i could say legal eagles meet that was one of my favorite movies that's just because they had uh deborah winger in it when she was yeah i was i was i had a little high school crush on deborah winger i'm not afraid to admit it robert redford in the yeah i had a little high school crush on robert redford robert redford always creeped me out he always seemed like a weird uh um uh who's uh who's the guy from laurence of arabia something a tool uh peter otul yeah it would seem like a low he always seemed like a watered down american version of peter otul no that's interesting he i bumped into him surely by chance an accident one year in uh up in park city because they were it was right around the time they were doing um uh fun dance and um he seemed super nice but bomb what swamps nobody would let him move he was talking to everybody like it was crazy but he seemed real smiling and happy and this is like 10 years ago but i faced experienced a small slice of robert redford's life at nerd tackler i feel that's true you look happy yeah did you guys did you hear like a little uh buzzing yeah tom's thing did like usb robot very briefly early um way early and it was so brief okay you just want to point it out well i i assume roger's thinking i don't know actually no it just happened like five seconds ago oh okay five seconds i'm just wondering if you heard it because i heard a couple of static hits and i think i mentioned it to you but so i assumed it was just me but then i know some people in the chat room mentioned it as well but if you didn't hear that means your recording is fine yeah i heard it but maybe that was just us over um over hangout who knows i even rightman directed legal eagles i had no idea that's crazy after i finished uh ghost busters i'm going to move on to this legal drama that's crazy it's um wait who directed uh sir bourbon cowboy bourbon uh yeah we just watched that for film sack i should remember that oh it's only three out of five stars on imdb oh james bridges i have no idea who that is i don't either it's probably a bridge brother oh is he one of the the yeah jeff bridges was he one of the bow jeff and yeah is he murl sounds like good ol murl bridges it sounds like a uh spinoff to duke uh duke's a hazard the bridges bridges of duke's of hazard personal life the bridges of hazard county that's a movie i'd watch i love that book the bridges of hazard county oh he also did the china syndrome he did uh colossus the forbin project apollosa oh i've seen apollosa i like that did the great adventure he did the alfred hitchcock hour on tv corolla the paper chase as an actor invasion of the saucer men he was robber jager oh no he was bobby it was something more recent faces here's bobber bobber bobber no i don't think he's related he's not a bridge he's a bridge too far he's a he's a consonant too far i don't know his partner was jack larson jack larceny stealing every scene i like it i uh i watched hitchcock on the plane i talked about this a little in cordillers and it was really good wait hitchcock the doc you anthony hopkins oh yeah i heard that was good it's it's really it's somewhat misnamed i didn't realize until i was watching it that it's only about psycho it's about the making of it's takes place during the making of psycho oh and so they use that as a vehicle to explore hitchcock's character but it's it's not like his entire life or anything that's that's like that um truman capote movie where capote yeah that way it's called i guess that's the one compote where it's exactly the same it's like oh this is going to be all about truman capote and really it was just about him writing that book about that that murderer guy right that was it but it but it exposed all this stuff about his life or you know it sounds like a very similar thing i would love that i i need to i don't know why i didn't see it when it came out i just really and somebody i took a class uh we we spent a lot of time it wasn't just on hitchcock but we spent a lot of time on the movies of hitchcock and his influences and his influence and the the things he was known for and if if you're at all a fan of him you'll see all kinds of little easter eggs just even in shot selections you know like the way they'll shoot certain scenes are just like ripped from the pages of hitchcock that sounds great yeah it's pretty good daughter's got some classes like that right now uh kind of i mean you can still take those kind of classes as an adult but you just never do and i kind of miss that sort of thing i was one of my it was an english class not even a film studies class oh really um and we would meet i think once a month in the basement of the main library at u of i uh and watch a movie and that would be the movie we would talk about and i think that's that's where i saw vertigo which is a much maligned picture sometimes but we talked about like why it why it failed but what was genius about it and what he was trying to do and why it wasn't appreciated and i think we watched the birds i think vertigo and the birds were the two that we did it was great one movie i remember watching with we had a la studies class i had to take um and we watched uh chinatown oh yeah great movie we were always gonna watch we were also gonna watch roger rabbit forget it roger it's chinatown well roger rabbit people don't realize it's actually based on your life well no that is a different tale ha get it um ha it is a different tale another comment but uh it's based on the whole kind of uh conspiracy thing about uh gm mobile oil and firestone tires trolleys with cars right and then the advent of the interstate or that was the whole thing the evil judge was gonna build like these chains chain restaurants along the freeway highways oh right millions we watched we watched aliens blade runner braid runner those two hitchcock movies seventh samurai ah whatever happened to the sixth and fifth one yeah we jumped right to number seven i was like don't we want to watch the prequels um i can't i can't remember if there were any others but blade runner because we were watching blade runner and the readings i had to do around blade runner is how i discovered philip k dick really yeah that class you're running that movie's awesome did you see the director's one or the narrator one it was back before the director's one was available it was just the narrator one there was we covered the fact that there was another ending that he had wanted to do but it was not something you could get a hold of back then i what do you think about the remake or that the fact that they're doing a remake oh like but it's it's not a remake it's a season isn't it it's it i also thought it was going to be in it yeah he's in it he's Deckard in it but he's not the main star though i don't yeah i thought it was like taking place later in the timeline yeah i was i was always the under the assumption it was just the reboot a reboot could be my life my understanding is i thought they had said because he's since he's in it as Deckard is an older guy that it was way later unless unless it's one of those things where he just let me tell you a story and then now we're on to some like Deckard like it's just a reboot but Deckard is the guy who assigns yeah like that yeah like there was a why can't i my only example of he's not played running a little people the only example i can think of is is the Beverly Hillbillies movie they had um the guy who played jeg clamped in the show uh oh yeah he was Ernest yeah he yeah Ernest played him in the movie but in the movie the guy who played jeg clamped in the old 60s show played a banker oh yeah yeah yeah it's like oh i know i know one that tim burton um the reboot of Planet of the Apes had charlton heston as an old aging ape right right well okay and the avengers reboot uh which no one saw uh with uma thurman had patrick mcne the original john steed as a guy in the basement who was invisible uh yeah but isn't that more of just a cameo it's yeah those are cameos those are all cameos yeah but i i guess what i'm saying is we don't know the extent of harrison ford's involvement i guess sheppy cameo comes in a sport edition that's awesome uh he is a grouchy guy who harrison ford he just seems that way on talk shows he can be i you watch him on graham norton he's kind of stoned i think yeah he was set it had a lot of sedatives or something i think um i think uh mark hamill has has retained some energy and excitement i think replicants do age versus they do replicants get older they're they're all i live six years though so yeah that's why they want their incentives except for except for the last one you're never sure if she is or she isn't and does she have the well she'll probably go on to do horrible horrible movies anyway so it doesn't matter well yeah i mean i think the the six-year lifespan was programmed so it was it was yeah it was my rel could have programmed her not to have that yeah or not built it or not built in the expiration date yeah data did i know i've always wondered how they would do that when they when an actor portrays a robot like like beef mentioned like data and star trek like how do you get him to like he the actor ages but the he's a robot how should he not age he should look the same then they write in some weird bs to kind of explain it it's like it's our old schwarzenegger and terminator genesis it's like if you're a robot why do you look older oh yeah no yeah because the organics the organics age it's like okay then why are you slower because i'm older so well can't you just fix yourself or do maintenance just give back all that flesh and put a new layer on you know it's all exoskeleton it's all like inside that shouldn't age yeah that that was a pretty thin premise for that i i like the movie i thought it was a fun movie but it just totally messed with everything you were supposed to know about terminator although it'd be kind of funny and my wife and i were talking about that if they just did one on like him just living the life because he's basically stretched in that 20-year period when he's supposed to meet them again in the future it's like what is to terminator do for 20 years and then you have them go through all those decades or phases like he's a Edward James almost shows up and he's become the captain of a starship in the meantime since since he used to make the origami um maybe not a starship you should be in charge of a big sailing ship called galactica yeah yeah but it's like it's like the hornblower got in san francisco just goes around the bay for little cruise tours booze cruises it's a booze he's a booze cruise captain in the greater los angelo keo or whatever it's called the future so wait it was still yeah i'm still la i love that i just i think this is the thing that makes blade runner and and and so really like a definition of a that definition of an example of a good movie is that the world that inhabits is just as alive as a character as you feel like hey i really want to see what that's like i want to live in a town where there's ramen trucks that serve you odd dumplings in a weird uh weird pigeon german japanese english and span was it spanish too i forgot yeah i think there was i think it was spanish yeah all right gentlemen i'm going to close this broadcast but not because i'm not enjoying it just because it's time i'm glad you clarified time to die