 3, 2, 1, welcome to the Metal Voice. First time on the show, Guernica. Ooh, that's awesome. Mancini. Wow. For now, that's really nice. Wow. Guernica. It's important to get the name right. My real name is Dimitrios. But I just go Jimmy because it just makes life easier, right? Yeah. Dimitrios, that's not that hard though. It's a cool name. Yeah. Very cool name. But when you're like eight years old in elementary school, it's not as cool as you think. No. I mean, I feel like I guess I could relate to that. I have a lot of nicknames. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, it's a cool name. I think it's a cool name. I think we're in an age of cool names. That's where we want to, you know, we're tired of the Jimmy's. We're tired of the Johns and the Mary's, right? All right. So, okay, I'm going to start things off with this. Yeah. And we'll go back into your history. So here, this shirt means nothing now. It's a collector's edition. I feel like a fool. No, I'm just mad. I mean, that's part of the band's history and that's beautiful. But yeah. It's a collector's edition, right? It is. Definitely. People from here on end will say, I'll give you a thousand dollars for that shirt. Oh my God. What an honor it would be. That was true. So, just so you know, I saw you, I saw Thunder Mother in Montreal, Canada, when you're on your tour with the Scorpions and my wife, you know, she really liked you guys and she goes, you know, you better buy a shirt, buy a shirt, buy a shirt to support them. So that's what she did. So, this was a positive. This was a positive. I'm just making a joke. No, no, I understand. I completely understand and tell your wife, thank you. We appreciate it. All right. The big news is three-fourths of the band disappeared from Thunder Mother, but we'll get to that. Okay. Well, let's go back in time a bit because for people who don't know you, they may want to get to know you, right? And at 14 years old, is this true? At 14 years old, you went to California, seeking the dream of being a rock and roll star. Is that it? No. I think those numbers have been mixed up. But 14 years old, I, yeah. As a toddler, I went to pursue my rock and roll dreams. No. When I was 14, I started my first band. That's true. Then I moved to LA when I was 20. To go to college. Yeah. It's a big difference. Yeah. I mean, I've always been, I have been singing my entire life and, you know, trying, you know, forming different bands and trying all different styles and blah, blah, blah. But yeah, I moved to Los Angeles when I was 20. And you walk off the plane or you get off the plane, you go to the taxi, you go, this wasn't like in the movies. This is a really big city, right? Yeah. And I moved from a town, I'm from Lund. It's a university town here in Sweden, and it's very small. And moving from Lund and not having any other experiences to Los Angeles was quite overwhelming. It took me about a year to get used to it all and, you know, get into the LA scene kind of thing. And I mean, you're okay. I know the Swedish, they're very, they're super bilingual, the Swedish people, you know, that English is taught in the school. So your English is pretty good. Like I wouldn't even know your Swedish. Thank you. Oh, thank you. I mean, I make, now my English is going to start getting worse and worse just because of that. No, but I do make an effort. I like talking. It's one of my favorite things to do. So knowing different languages or a little bit of hearing, you know, so you can communicate with a lot of people is, I think that's really important. Okay, but I'm just trying to say that you have a good command of the English language. Thank you. Yeah, I do. The thing is that growing up, I knew Spanish really well too. I was fluent in Spanish. I mean, being that my parents are from Uruguay, but I lost my Spanish more and more, like I understand it really well. But English is so much easier for me because I've, I've literally never lived in a Spanish-speaking country, but I, I, I mean, I lived in LA for four and a half years. So that, you know, yeah, definitely helped. So I need to move somewhere where I can speak Spanish and force myself to, yes, you know, learn it again. Spain. All right. So you're in LA or you're in California and you're trying to make your way there. And I guess you hook up with Jeff Young. Is that it? Or is that there's a little bit of a story before just quickly, just? Yeah, yeah, quickly. I'm going to make, we're not going to go through your whole history here, you know, when you lost your first two. My answers are always like, ah, so long. But yes, once I graduated from MI, I think Jeff found out about me somehow, like through common friends or something. And reached out and we did this like a thing project together that he called Souls on 11. And we did that for like over a year or so. I just think that that project didn't really have, like it wasn't going anywhere really. And then I had to move back to Sweden. And so that kind of like ended that, you know, collaboration. But that's your resume, right? You get something new, a new experience, right? And you take, and you learn from that. And he learns from that and whatever the case may be, right? Yeah, definitely, definitely. All right. So okay, so now you're with Jeff Young, you're back to Sweden. You're the dream, the Hollywood dream is over. Is that what you're thinking in your mind? Yeah, I'm like in full on depression mode, as you are, when you have to move back to your parents and just feel like a complete loser. Is that how you felt? No. Yeah, I did. I mean, I was in LA for like, is that four and a half years from, basically from I was 20, I turned 25 in LA and then I had to move back. And a lot of things happened throughout those years, like you learn about yourself and you grow as a person and all these things. And then having to move back to Sweden and not being a successful musician or anything of the sort, it was kind of heartbreaking. But I mean, I never give up and I kept working. So I started a new band like within four months of being home. So yeah, I didn't let that stop me. And through that band, I then met Philippa. Alright, so okay, so you met Philippa? Is it Philippa or Philippa? Philippa. Philippa. Yeah. Alright, so you meet her and again, right, connection from connection and networking, right? And how big is Thunder Mother at this point in Sweden? I didn't know of them to be completely honest. I might the guitar player in my the band that I was in at the time, he told me about them. So then I looked them up on Facebook and Instagram and blah blah. And I saw that they were doing cool shows and it looked like a really cool band. And I love the idea of it being an all female band. I thought the whole concept was just amazing. And yeah, so that's kind of what I knew of them. But then yeah, I don't know where to go from there. But yeah, I didn't know I wasn't like a huge fan or anything because I didn't know of the band. But were they I guess my point is, were they that was there a buzz in Sweden about this band at the time? I think so. Yeah, I definitely I feel like they they had reached definitely a bus some sort of success. They had played some cool festivals and yeah, done some cool things already. So they had already done like when I joined the band, the band was already a few steps ahead of me career wise. So they had definitely done some things. Yeah, but that's about it. They weren't living off of music or anything. No, no, yeah, like most people. So okay, so you audition, right? You auditioned she she she hears you she loves you got a great voice. I mean, it's all of us, right? It's awesome. Thank you. So many people have told you this. You joined a band and I'm assuming, I mean, the company or the band name or the trademark, now it's Philippa's right, you're coming in as a session, right? Like a paid member or salaried? Like what is it? Nothing, no, no, none of that. We all the members that have been part of the band have always been told that they're part of a band. And that's the premise that you joined the band and you everyone has been told that you're an equal member as soon as you become like a you're in Thunder Mother, you're then equal member and with everything that that entails like all the work behind the scenes as well as on stage. And yeah, there's two things we have to separate here. There is we're a democracy, we're working together, we're writing music together, we're sharing social media together. And then there is like the registration of the name Thunder Mother, it's under whose name, right? Is it under a company name or is that under a Philippa's name? It's under Philippa's name. Okay, that's what I mean. Like there's a company. I'm not sure if there is a there's a company. I think you might start one now. That's, we were about to do one start one together before Christmas. And I think that was a catalyst to everything that has happened now. But I definitely think that she's doing that now. But no, it was registered in her night in her name. And it was registered 2019 we found out, like globally, which was strange finding out now retrospect, because me and Emily had been in the band for two years then. And when you joined the band, I guess the premise and I'm building up to, you know, to have an understanding, right? And feel free if you don't want to answer, you don't have to answer. I'm just gonna ask. You're joining the band and Philippa saying, listen, the other girls I was with, they kind of bailed, they quit, right? And was there any reasons why they bailed or they quit, you know, or not? I know now, but I didn't know then. At that time, I was so just all consumed in me getting this opportunity that I didn't think of it and more than, okay, they had problems, what band does problems, you know, and I didn't really go in depth with it. But now I definitely have a relationship with a lot of the girls from the previous lineups. And yeah, I've heard their stories, and they're very much similar to my story. So there's nothing unique happening at all. But you're saying, you know, okay, they laughed, here's my opportunity, whatever, right? Exactly. I mean, yeah, I definitely, plus I'm very, I'm very loyal and very like, trust. What's the word when you just trust thing person? That's okay. That's good to be like that. I don't think it is anymore, maybe because it's put me in a lot of weird situations, but I definitely believe what people tell me. And So do I, you know, yeah, but it's weird because you don't, yeah, I don't, yeah, like usually, you know, in your personal life, it's good to believe what people tell you because you're giving them the benefit of the doubt. And that's okay. In business life, I get what you're saying. In business life, you have to be a little more cautious. Yeah. And I haven't been and I had to learn that. That's a tough lesson that I've had to, you know, learn. But yeah. So you joined Thunder Mother. And on the premise that, you know, of course, now you're saying, okay, this is something else on my resume. Things are looking good. The band's not as big. It's just starting off, right? It's starting off. So it's obvious it's gonna have member changes because it's starting off. You joined the band. And on the premise, again, I'll say it like you're more or less a democracy and equal member. Are you writing together with Philippa or she already has the song? Well, we joined the band. It will mean Emily, who quit now. We both joined at the same time, 2017. And when we joined, Philippa already had material for the album Thunder Mother. So we weren't really able to, you know, have a much of a say in the creative part, which I also thought was really, at that time, nice, because then we can get the ball rolling quickly with the new members and the new sound or whatever. So I have like, like this much writing, you know, credits. Which is understandable. It's understandable. To me, I never questioned that. I didn't think it was anything weird. I just told her that for the next album, I really want to be part of the song writing because I enjoy writing music as well. And yeah, that was it. So I didn't think of it. I didn't take that as anything bad or negative. It was just like, I'm new here. I know I'm the new guy. I'm respecting my the position because I'm very I don't know why I'm maybe like that too. Any when you ever start a new company working somewhere, you want to be respectful of your environment? Yeah, like that's yeah, it's weird. I feel like it's like it's such a generational thing. Because I know like, just an example when I used to work in stores and like people that are like so much younger than me come in and they're very like entitled from the beginning where it's, I'm kind of grown up to be like, your respect, like the the boss and you try to like be the best employee you can be and be very like, just all on good and do whatever you can to, you know, have the best team or whatever. That's kind of the mentality that I joined the band in we're a democracy and we're going to do everything in our power to get to where we want to get but one little detail about like the beginning phases is that me and Emily joined and we brought in a lot of new energy. Like we my dream has always been to play arenas and do I still want to play rock and reo like there's a lot of things that I still am dreaming about accomplishing as a musician and preferably in a band that we brought in that energy whereas Philippa had already reached the level of success that she wanted when we joined the band like she was really and there's nothing wrong with that but we kind of like motivator on different levels basically you're saying you wanted this but she kind of wanted this yeah when we joined she was just completely satisfied with being at that level and there's and I just yet again because people keep misunderstanding everything I say I don't want to be clear with I don't think that there's anything wrong with that but that me and Emily were a humongous part because Philippa's even told us this of like pushing it towards what it actually became okay so you're hungry that's what you're saying you're more yeah very hungry and there's nothing wrong with Philippa if she wants to stay where she is or how she is there's nothing wrong with that that's all good I'm not going to bad mouth or either we're just saying it like it is right yeah and even without her being here we're just saying what happened your experience yeah all right so now if when you used to play gigs we used to play shows was it split equally the money like okay let's say you got you got a thousand dollars already got 250 you know it was always split equally right as far as I mean I haven't really seen any paperwork because I'm I'm an idiot so I never looked into whatever you know but as far as I believe we always shared everything equally the merchandise the you know I got royalties from that album that I played on like all these things so all that stuff has been completely normal and fair since day one okay so you've been paid it's not like those situations where musicians haven't been paid and where's my money we did do a huge thing like when we joined the band we actually paid off a huge debt of like 90 I think it was about 90 000 crowns I don't know how much that is like like nine thousand dollars uh to the previous management because we were that's like how loyal and you know solidary we are when we are we part if we're part of a band we didn't like think twice about taking care of the the baggage from before we just did that so I remember the Dead Daisy store I think we all made a thousand dollars from those two weeks you know of that first tour because and it wasn't from the show it was from like the merchandise so yeah was there any and I'm gonna help you here too was there any partnership like so in other words you've agreed to come on board you and the other girls in a form of a verbal partnership is what you're saying yeah there was no signed paperwork saying we're all part of this company no that was never that was every time that was brought up just so everyone would have like the security of that it was kind of brushed off and then something would happen and you wouldn't think about it anymore and then you would get bring it up again and it would just be something that you know but but I wouldn't blame Philippa either if she had the name and the company before because she's kind of work she was working it right for a few years already so yeah you couldn't you couldn't blame her for that right I do not blame her at all for that I yeah I don't just want to know how so you paid off a debt you've come into this verbal agreement of some sort of partnership yeah right was there a company registered that you know that that when you when you're booking shows it was with the company not the no we have we've had booking agencies that take that yeah yeah but I mean everyone has their own everyone in thunder mother has their own company so when it was time to you know get paid like either our management took all the money or there's there's never been a thunder mother company it's always been like I don't know what the name is the over there but like the individual companies yeah so you're you're you create your own sole proprietary proprietary proprietorship whatever they call it yeah something like that so you create your own little companies okay yeah gotcha all right so you're in thunder mother the six you're hungry for success you're building the success you could see that you're on top of tour buses playing during covid that was yeah we did that that was pretty uh you know so what the hell are they doing though because you Swedes you had no lockdown over there no we didn't have any lockdown but they did like there were no venue venues open so everything that had to do with culture was shut down but everything else was more or less pretty normal like always um so yeah we we got creative and did the the touring on like on top of the fire truck and stuff like that whose idea was that I think it was the it was actually our previous manager he he had that idea of doing the fire truck and then in Germany they had a ton of different creative ideas of you know keeping the music alive yeah yeah so okay so slowly you're getting successful you know you're getting more traction you know people are digging your voice to digging the music and to me it looks like a the whole band was really contributing to that sort of uh success at the time right I think oh too I think so too it was a complete it was a hundred percent team effort I don't think we would have reached the success that we have reached um if it wasn't for all four of us putting in the time and energy or I would say me Philippa and Emily because we've had I feel like we've had like a round door with the bass players they've been not it hasn't been the easiest thing for us to keep bass players around but us three have been solids for six years and yeah okay so now as you're of course it's obvious like brothers and sisters they argue and there's always the was there already signs of you know you guys aren't getting along you know two people two ladies against two ladies or three against one or you know that's what happens in any family right people start taking sides decisions about music I I mean I want to keep a light here but uh definitely me and Philippa have always had we're like opposite we we stand on different sides of things but we've always been able to find ways of working through it in a sense like obviously we were able to tour give me a small example of something like that like oh I don't like this song or leave that song on the album I don't like that song on the album or should we play in this country or not that was actually never me and Philippa never had those kind of issues it was more it I can give you an example of like our drummer and Philippa they always were um like butting heads in the studio about um drum beats to a particular song but it was like that's still like a normal thing to argue about you know drummer guitar player um I think I've been pretty chill when it comes to those things I so you're saying musically everything was cool like the regular the regular sort of inspiration or critique when creating songs which is a normal thing for bands right yeah yeah definitely yeah did all the band contribute in writing back then uh well yeah well they gave their own like the drummer say okay I want to contribute this and bassist this and that or like yeah definitely everybody contributed in some way or another to the songs and the albums yes I would yeah kind of yeah look there's always somebody with the main idea but everybody I mean we worked with uh we wrote songs with um so for example me and Philippa wrote driving in style uh and that was a normal session we were there brainstorming you know all of that normal and that's kind of how we did all the albums but not everyone was present all the time for the different sessions oh I think me and Philippa were but uh you know what I mean like it was just yeah everyone contributed with their different parts and yeah when did you find or did you feel like you know what something's not right here or maybe you didn't at what point like last year two years ago or it was always there or never there must have been a vibe like you're saying you know what something just doesn't feel right anymore it's a tough question to answer um we all get a sense of something's wrong right yeah um I I would say like this that um it's never been great for me and I'm and it's it's been tough six tough years uh but uh yeah 100 but uh regardless of that I I don't regret anything I've I've still had amazing experiences with the band and yeah I wouldn't take anything back because I've I've grown and I've become the singer that I am and there's so many positives to that so even though it's it has been a very bumpy ride I still think that it's been a beautiful ride and something that's nice I would I don't know because it does teach you a lot about yourself and you grow as a human so that's why I'm kind of like even you know when you when you go through something that's tough and hard for you you can either choose to learn from it and try to you know take some you know do something positive with it and that's kind of what I'm I'm I'm aiming to do for myself uh so you're saying you were I wouldn't say you were miserable but you're unhappy for like six years not 100 not happy it's been going up and it's been like this it could have been better you're saying it could have been better it definitely I've I've questioned how my my dream of doing music and everything that I love so much and you know hold so dear it had had to be so tough but then in my mind I've always thought that oh but it's probably the pay the price you pay for getting these experiences or you know whatever like but I I think that it doesn't necessarily have to be that but you know like anything in life nothing is going to be happy and roses all the time you you go through things just like you mentioned families and stuff like it's normal but yeah I definitely how old are you how old are you you don't mind me I just turned 36 wow I thought you're like 26 well thank you yeah young skin so no no there's definitely you know uh when you say that you worked in a store they're younger okay I get it okay I thought you're like 26 I wouldn't yeah thank you that's good that's good I always used to work as a salesperson like in different clothing stores and stuff like that you know while pursuing music 100 because that's just been my my my entire goal for life since I my entire adult life so I've always kind of just just got jobs to pay the bills or whatever but music has been my for sure okay so you're you're and this is when I saw you so now you've hooked up with the scorpions I'm assuming you know it was a management buy on I would assume I don't know like no I'm guessing so they it wasn't a buy on or of any sort no no it wasn't about out of nowhere this band comes in there they're on like this major tour right so that that's if that wasn't a buy on then that was a huge accomplishment we have the same booking agent still even people with the same booking agents they put bands next to big bands you know usually uh I mean it wasn't like we made a lot I'm like we we didn't make enough money I mean it kind of I it barely covered our the the nightliner but we yeah we didn't pay to get on there no okay so that's good actually that means a lot actually yeah it's a huge accomplishment and we are very proud of that like I don't think Thunder Mother Saban has ever done a buy on you know what now that you're telling me this I think it's massive what you guys did yeah it's pretty big I mean to go on a like I know Queens rake was opening for the scorpions I mean they're not a small potatoes band either right no they're so here you guys you guys are playing what did it feel like going on stage in front of like 10 to 15,000 people that's pretty big for me it was it was like um experience something I've been dreaming of so so long like it was so huge for me it was like yeah it's a dream come true really like I've always dreamt of being able to play big stages like that and for a big audience it's too and also feeling the love from the people you know like because unfortunately I feed off the energy of the crowds and the crowds were amazing and it was just yeah it was a highlight of the whole tour I mean obviously performing is always the highlight for me but um yeah I it was just overwhelming and I was really sad the last day of the tour because I was like I wonder for maybe I was having permanent issues I don't know but I was kind of feeling like I wonder if I'm ever going to be able to get to experience this again um which I hope I will um but yeah it was just amazing and I'm forever grateful to our booking agent Christalton at CAA and the Scorpions for taking a chance on us um yeah it was did you did you sit down and have coffee with Klaus no we didn't I didn't get a chance to do that really because when when we were gonna we were gonna have dinner with them they asked us to go for dinner uh we actually both me and Philippa were had colds so we called them up and like we're sick right now um can we reschedule and then there wasn't any more times on the tour to do it unfortunately and the idea was to get to do it now on the German tour but obviously uh I'm not gonna be on there so I'm hoping that Klaus still have heard through the grapevine how appreciative I am and how I'm forever like so you didn't really get even to chance to talk to them or no we did hello hello maybe no we did I don't know there's a really fun video they came in on the second day of the date of the tour and said hi to all of us and they were really lovely and then we had another a few weeks later we did a photo shoot type thing with them it's not like I had like conversations in depth I was just like hi like being super nerdy and not cool um it was tough you know because you you meet them so quickly and you're like holy shit this is Klaus you know or this is this is scorpions uh but yeah I've talked to Mickey D quite a lot a lot and he's super nice and awesome dude and um well actually I did talk to Matias too on the last I was in um his dressing room and talked to him and his wife after the show and they were telling me how much they really enjoyed having us on the tour and um how how much they really wanted us for the whole European tour as well which was such an honor and mind-blowing and huge so that's something I'm gonna take with me forever that they really respected us and enjoyed what we you know did which was really cool but I didn't get to talk so much to Klaus because Klaus is more he doesn't uh socialize you don't want to talk either right he wants to because he's got his voice right yeah exactly but we did share the stage on the last show and it was just really you sang a song together is that what we we were all brought up on a rocky like a hurricane when we played in Vegas yeah see I didn't know that and I had Klaus like um uh monitor sound in my ears and I was supposed to like sing with him and I was like I'm like the biggest nerd so for me it was like very awkward because we didn't really get much information and I also don't want to like step on his toes and be like right like go up and I'm just gonna like push him aside and just take the mic yeah no plus I mean I'm like stature like I'm just such a big person compared to him uh so I just tried to like back off and be like like he must be like five five or five four right Klaus yeah probably I'm five eight we're platforms I'm like probably like five ten on stage or five I don't know exactly we do centimeters here but um yeah I'm pretty I'm a bit bigger than him was there anything you want to you know any cool experience other than what you just mentioned about the scorpions that wow I never knew that I never knew that about the scorpions oh we did find out some fun stuff but I don't think I can share it well I mean shareable I'm not saying I don't want to know the color of his underwear or anything just joke no but uh all right I don't I don't know what to tell you it was just amazing it was just an amazing tour and we got to see so many cool venues and I mean I did have a in well it wasn't it might not be like the funnest story but I did right before the show in LA I had a little accent with my monitor so it was someone stepped on them so I did that whole show not hearing myself it's pretty impressive that's very impressive yeah I think so too I mean I managed to get through that so that was pretty cool but then it was really nice because Mika D told me that every time he plays in LA it's like a curse like something weird happens with the instruments or something because I playing the forum was huge for me I mean obviously I've seen Prince one of my favorite because you were there before you were there before in Los Angeles ago and then you left and you left exactly now you're coming back as a hero right and I get to play fucking this legendary venue and and my nerves were crazy and then I can't hear myself and I need to go up and just smack a smile on my face and be like yeah let's do this and then I did and it went well and then yeah it was a traumatic experience to me it sounds like whatever you know arguments you may or may not have the experience just overwhelmed anything else right so yeah that's that's how I that's at least that's how it's been for me like music comes first and taking care of the band and the brand I guess you could say has been so much more important than taking care of however I'm feeling or any like I've just been like on you know third fourth place I didn't really care I don't that's like the healthiest or the most mature way of dealing with things so that's on me something I need to learn but um yeah I would never like the band was my everything all right so here's the shocker of all shockers now right you're telling me all this amazing stuff and us as fans right we're going to see you guys and we're going oh my god and and it's new to a lot of people even my wife she didn't know thunder mother she was oh thunder mother what a fun name you know and she saw you guys she thought you're amazing and my friends of friends of friends everybody thought you guys are really you know this is a band coming out of nowhere just really you know with the energy the momentum yeah and then you're no longer in the band it's like what the heck is going on here it's like this shirt went from 20 to 30 dollars to 500 dollars because you're no longer in the band right everybody wants a copy one of these now what's going on what's going on what's going I mean the statement said it all really I know but you got an email a dismissal email is that it yeah your time is over all right now let's get into a let's get into a law here and I'm gonna where you want to be up front here I've been having a really really bad tough day today so I don't want to go into much yeah let me explain to you something don't don't be upset I'm gonna tell you because you brought the band to where it was thank you and I that's crazy to me and that that's a never saw it like you brought the band let me the first thing people always say is what the voice is like what is the singer like what is the energy from the singer okay you brought the band there so you should that's a huge accomplishment you brought the band to the scorpions not to say the other girls didn't play a role too I'm not diminishing no they're amazing they're really talented and I'm really proud to have had them as my bandmates all of them actually but you see for me it doesn't sit well because sorry if you went to work at a clothing store in Canada yeah and I'm assuming the same thing in Sweden you know first you get a warning right you get a verbal warning right then you get another verbal warning and then they go okay we've given you verbal warnings here's a written warning you're no longer working for us as a as a salary person I would to just get a dismissal email just like that and again I don't know the whole story without any warnings I don't know I mean I don't think anyone will ever hear the real story ever I mean unless I release like a biography in 10 years or something maybe maybe that's a good idea yeah I mean yeah I don't I I don't know what to tell you yeah it's I think it was shocking for all of us because I would have never can she do this legally that's what I'm asking you oh legally um yes because she owns the band no she owns that's what I was getting to before okay you're working in a clothing store they can't just you can't just walk into the clothing store and saying you're fired for no reason or you know unless you stalled or you did something serious right which I haven't done and what you haven't done you've only demonstrated that to me from a legal aspect from just the information that you're telling me I can't I don't know the whole story so I won't judge it no but it doesn't sound like it was actually a legal dismissal you might want to look into that yeah no I I don't think there's anything that we can do besides what we have done and uh if she called you back today would you go back to the band so it was all wrong I don't think I could know it hurt not no not not now I feel like just like Emily said in a previous interview like the betrayal is just beyond it's like I don't know I wouldn't have never taken it this far but you know that's just how people were you warned were you warned prior what were you saying listen if you don't do this you're out of the band or if you don't do this you're out of the band no because that's not something that you can say to someone when you're a democracy it's like you know you can you you can just no I don't know never never well I mean you're working in a clothing store I know but you can't you can't compare the two because it's like I mean I guess you could but at the same time it's impossible because it's like a band dynamic is so much more different and could be so much more infected and there's no protection for musicians or I guess like if anyone listening starting a band now be smart have contracts set up even though it feels silly initially like we're gonna do that now with the girls we love each other yeah we're really good friends but we've learned our lessons so we're gonna set up like a a band agreement like now day one of our beginning of this new band because it's like there's no point in in not having any type of security just so you know verbal is also is an agreement as well that verbal agreements with witnesses are you can listen there's a million interviews where we're all believing and saying yeah we're a democracy we decide everything together and I've even said in interviews like I would never be part of a band if I wasn't able to have you know my vote voting rights or my opinion mattered unless I'm a hired gun and that's a completely different ballgame and I would be completely fine with just stepping back and being you know even even a hired gun even a hired gun you couldn't get an email just to release somebody you know from a contract you would have to give a verbal warning you'd have to go through this you'd have to you know show but anyways I don't want I don't know her side so I'm not gonna assume anything here I'm just trying to tell you that there's certain procedures a band is an entity an entity is like a business so the same sort of rules apply that's how I've always seen it and that's that's how I believe a band should be run as a business and having that mindset like even if people are not getting along you can always find like a professional ground where you can meet and you do the job and you can still enjoy the job and then go your separate way like that's just my mentality and that's just not the same for everyone okay and so okay so you're let go on an email yeah and that that seems to be has hurt you a great deal right extremely like someone ripped my heart out yeah yeah and and and I would be too I'd be like furious I'd be upset furious did you did you try to reach out they're saying why are you doing this no because I know her and there's no point okay and then your friends and solidarity they quit the band the two other ladies uh Mona and uh sorry what's her name Emily and Emily and Emily they quit the band to join you which you know which is is a must that must have made you feel great right that must feel a lot better it does make me feel but I also felt really guilty because um sorry no look no I I don't want to sorry um no okay but I know the opportunities that we had um worked up and created together and um I shouldn't be doing these interviews because I'm really mentally not ready to do these kind of things sorry I apologize but um okay I felt guilty no but let me just just wrap it up like I felt guilty because I knew the opportunities that they were letting there were giving up because of this but they had their own reasons and me being um you know like I had nothing to like they did this completely on their own and the the problems that we've had in the band they they're not just something that is between her and I it's like something that's been brewing and been there always and so when when this happened they also felt that it was very disrespectful towards them being that they believed that we were a democracy and that we had to say in these things when she came because she did more or less tell them I want to do this and I've already found a new singer and that's when Emily just said I I don't want to play with another singer and if you're going to go ahead and do this I'm going to leave the band and that's what she did so and Emily and Mona felt the same way well I think that's that that is a nice thing you know like out of for for two others to join you like that I think that's wonderful I think I love them and I'm forever grateful I you know I wouldn't expect it anything but I also feel like I'm so blessed and honestly I'm I'm I'm so incredibly grateful that they they are my new band and they are the two that I enjoy working with and I have so much fun with them and we already had two songwriting days and we had just so much fun and it was drama-free and it was just it was just a dream and it was just like this is what a band is supposed to be and I and I trust me we've been I've meant little yeah it's not I'm gonna we have dinner soon no but we've had our differences because that's how friends you know if you don't fight with your family and friends I mean that's kind of weird in itself and we have but we always we say sorry and we move past it and get and our relationships always grow stronger and stronger and stronger and that's I think the testament of a you know real solid like healthy relationship and that's how it is with them so I'm really grateful that we have something and that we get to continue playing together so you're gonna write some new music yes you're gonna try to get a new album out there yes you're gonna play try to do some shows together right oh yeah yeah yes all right so you're gonna kick some butt that's okay yeah that's all right I mean I'm I'm I'm you know I couldn't ask for better player like I have so much fun with them and they are so incredibly talented and you know both of them are really like high educated highly educated musicians like they both went to university you know like they're just like crazy good musicians and it's gonna be fun like it's really it's already so much fun like I'm already feeling like a stone has lifted like I'm excited for the future and I also think that whatever happened between me and Philippa whatever you know what I think it's for the better for both of us she gets to play with people that she enjoys to be with and be in a setting that she's gonna you know feel satisfied and happy and I get to do the same thing the only difference is that we need to you know find a bad name and you know build something father something with father in it I think rain father or yeah I think we're gonna avoid anything anything paternal maternal what are related I think we're gonna leave that to the girls there and then we are gonna have to start something fresh it is good you're doing interviews I'll tell you why because now you can use this as your platform to get labels you know to get you guys signed if you're not already signed to get management to get your name out there so use the opportunity well now look you have me like you have me sort of on your side so it's it's good thank you thank you and I like I said in the interviews that I've done so far I don't want people to pick a side you don't have to pick a side you don't have to enjoy two great bands yes they're gonna be killing it on their side and I'm hoping that we're gonna be killing it on our side and get to that level that we managed to get thunder mother you know I want to get there and beyond so I'm I'm excited for the future I'm excited too and you know what sees the day sees the opportunity I'm gonna show your inception that was your solo right inception I'm gonna put that up there and just quickly leave off with inception you want to tell people about that yeah but can I just say one last thing though yeah sure sure because people have been writing to me and been pretty negative like most I would say 99% have been really positive and supportive but some people feel that I by telling my truth that I am doing something wrong and uh you know bashing them which I just want to make it clear that that's like not my intention at all I just you're asking questions and I'm a very honest person and it's I can't not give you my truth but with that I don't have any intention of making it seem like they're bad people or I don't wish I wish I wish thunder mother all the success in the future I don't mean yeah any badness towards them either so people need to understand yeah yeah I agree and I said understand that but yes inception is my first single as a solo artist um it's I guess more commercial rock uh I wrote it with Emily the drummer in thunder or pre well my drummer now our drum we're I don't know how what is yeah Emily Johansson me and our friend Johan Johan Rondian wrote inception together and it's about the beginning so it kind of feels like a fitting song so it's just a single right now right it's just a single yeah I have my next single ready to go but I need to just set a date for it and yeah it's not conception is it no it's not I can give you the name of it go ahead um well I wrote this song before I got fired obviously and I didn't know this shit storm was gonna happen but I did write a song called MVP which is kind of hilarious right now um and it's about I mean you listen to the lyrics it's just about like I can be the best at my in my position and you can be the best like trying to it's just like a motivational pump you know happy song that you know we can all be the best kind of good good for you well listen congratulations a single is like some super powerful singing there thank you you know uh you know keep us posted on you know the latest developments on your bad name yes I'm curious to see what it's going to sound like I'm curious to see what the name is going to be no father mother sister brother in the name we know that no rain no weather related no weather related no no uh and also we're going to be playing the songs that we wrote so of course we already have like a lot of great material from the album black and gold for example so yeah I'm excited to to do that in our I guess and yeah play them again all right thank you very much for being a guest I'm gonna go eat now too yeah dinner time okay all right talk to you ludge bye bye all right have a lovely day