 Okay, you can go ahead. Okay, the pointed hour five o'clock p.m. having been reached I welcome everyone to this meeting of the Amherst Design Review Board my name is Catherine Porter as chair of the Amherst Design Review Board, I call this meeting to order pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law GLC 30 a section 18 and the governor's March 15 2020 order imposing strict limitations on the number of people that may gather in one place. This public hearing of the town of Amherst Design Review Board is being conducted via remote participation. No in person attendance of members of the public will be permitted but the public can attend tonight's virtual meeting by using the zoom login information provided on the agenda listed on the meeting calendar, which is provided on the town of Amherst website. We will begin with a roll call the members of the Design Review Board, who have been impaneled for the consideration of the items on tonight's agenda. Board members please say I or yes to acknowledge your attendance for the record. Lindsay Schnarr. Janet Marquard. Hi, Erica Zecos. Yes, Tom Long. Okay. Also in attendance is Marine Pollock planner and staff liaison to the design review board. The design review board and as accompanying zoning regulations were created by town meeting on October 1983. The charge and purpose of the design review board under section 3.2 of the zoning bylaw is to preserve and enhance the town's cultural, economic and historical resources by providing for a detailed review of all changes in land use, the appearance of structures and the appearance of sites, which may affect these resources. The design review board exercises this responsibility by providing design review and recommendations to private applicants and permit granting boards within specific overlay zoning districts in the town center. The design review overlay district and the town common design review overlay district. Design review was also provided for town departments and permit granting boards with respect to town projects anywhere in Amherst, which will result in substantial alteration to the form or appearance of a structure or site. All design review board meetings are open to the public and are recorded by town staff. Each meeting recording will be uploaded to the town of Amherst YouTube channel for public viewing. The procedure is as follows. The petitioner presents the application to the board during the meeting, after which the board will ask questions for clarification or additional information. After the board has completed its questions, the board will deliberate if the board feels it has enough information and time, it will decide upon recommendations for each respective application. Once the board has voted on its recommendations, the staff liaison will type up the recommendations for distribution to the applicant, board applicable land use board and building commissioner. I wanted to ask you, as we go through these, if we should probably ask for any public question or comment on these as we move through, I don't know whether we will have anybody, would that be the way we should do it? Sure. If the board wants to take public comment for the applications. Okay, with that, we go through the various applications here. Rather than have them all come at the end. Okay. Okay, let's, all right, well let's get started. Are we going to go in the order here DRB FY 2021? Yeah, it looks like Surly non is not here yet. So, I know that Stephanie Chickarello is here from the town to talk about the bike share program so perhaps she could go first. Yeah, okay. Okay. All right, so I don't know if did you. Okay, so I can stop my share and then let Stephanie talk about. Okay. So, now I have to make Stephanie a panelist on Stephanie. Hi everybody. Hello. Thank you so much for having me this evening or late afternoon, early evening. I've been before you before with the previous bike share stations and the town has been able to work with a valley bike regional bike share system in acquiring funding from the federal government through a congestion mitigation air quality grant for two additional stations for the town. The University of Massachusetts is also acquiring a new station as well under this grant. So we're trying to formalize the locations that we are proposing to you this evening and looking for your support and feedback. The general location of these sites is going to be is pretty much locked in because of the grant funding. The exact location within the general vicinity is a little bit flexible. So I'm going to start to share my screen with you now. Okay, and you can let me know if you're seeing my screen. Yes. Okay, and is it large enough. Can you actually read what's on there. See what's on there. No. No. Yep. Here, how's that better. Okay. Can I scroll up a little more. There we go. Okay, so this first map that I'm showing you the circles that are indicated here without any proposed language are these are the actual stations that exist now for the town. So this is the one by the North, what was called formerly the North Village apartment complex on North Pleasant Street. We have the town station that's in front of town hall. Here we have the Kendrick Park station. This is the university drive station. And then we have the station down on East Hadley Road. That's in front of the boulders complex. So you can see that there's sort of a, you know, kind of a connectivity between these stations and that they're fairly close together and that's intentional. One of the things I like to reiterate about bike share is that it's not meant to be a leisurely use for the bicycles. These aren't meant to be for, you know, a use for the day. They're actually kind of heavy. They are electric assist, which is wonderful because it really allows more people to use them than otherwise might, but it really is more of considered like a the last mile if you will between getting from say a bus stop to your destination. So it's that last bit of transportation need that a bike share typically fills. So, in part that's also why some of these stations are so close together, because you're going to a destination and you may get to your destination and then drop off a bike and then come back out get a bike and then continue. So the two locations that we're proposing before you this afternoon. One is over here. And I will scroll down in a moment in this one. So this one is the one on Southeast Street, which is at the Village Center and I'll have more images for you in a moment. This is just to give you context of the location of this in relation to the entire network in Amherst. And this other proposed is in the Pomeroy Village location by Pomeroy Lane. So this is a current configuration of what the stations look like when they're installed. This actually happens to be one of the stations on the UMass campus. They all pretty much generally look the same when they're installed. They have if you can see right here there's a docking system, and because these are electric assist when they are when they are placed back in this docking system they're, they're being charged. So there is a way finding station attached and I'm sorry that there's not an image of the way finding station but the way finding station is attached. It's actually where the electrical outlet is is located it's underneath within the box of the way finding station, and that provides power to the entire docking system. The way finding station is also lit, but it's a pretty unobtrusive light that just sort of sheds light on the on the way finding map because there is a map that actually shows the stations in Amherst that said each location has a map of the of the network. So I'm going to start with the southeast street proposal. Now there are three locations identified on this map. And thank you Maureen for this map this is really helpful. So this was to show you where the three are in relation to one another. And also where they are in relation to the bus stop. Now the reason why we propose to locate the stations where we do is because they first they need to be in the public right away. That right of way requirement is part of our grant funding so that's a non negotiable. We could potentially put them on on private land but that becomes more cumbersome. So the right of way is the first requirement when we're looking to identify where these stations might might be installed. So the third requirement is that they be located adjacent in near to a in existing either a bus stop or train station or somewhere that's another public mode of transportation. So that again, remember this is to serve that last mile so we want to have them near other public transit so there's kind of a continuity, if you will. So we have three locations here. And I'm sorry and the third requirement is that we also want them to be in densely populated areas. So we look for them to be near complexes. And if you look at East Hadley Road that's a perfect example of a really well used location, lots of the residents in that in the complexes that that location utilize the bike stations and the regional bike share network. So these three stations, I will move along here is to show you where they are located. This right here is the bank at the college street and southeast northeast street intersection or southeast street intersection. This is the bank. This would be Cumberland Farms right here. And this is a proposed a mixed use building that's being development that's being proposed and there's a proposed by stop bus stop that's part of that construction that would be located on this side of the street and then there's one on the other side. So Maureen and I actually went out and took a look at this originally I went out with Chris Breastrup, and we identified this as a fairly good location because we have a as you saw, you know in the map above we haven't, you know we have a pretty much contiguous north south orientation but we really wanted to sort of broaden out to the east and west, a little more so. So this would be our eastern sort of East Village kind of location if you will, and the first stop that we identified potential stop a station would be here. And the reason why we propose this one is really it's the most visible. And also there's a electric utility box, a traffic channel station box here. And so that would be relatively easy for that to be connected for the station to be connected. We do need access to electricity. As I said, there is a little electricity connection at the way finding stations so we do need to have access to power. The second proposed location is here, which is again nearest to the bank and then we identified this as the third location. In some ways you might think this might have been the ideal location and why isn't this one first but the reason why is because this set back here is not as visible. And one of the things that you want is visibility, so that when people are traveling they can see that there's a station there so you really do want the visibility so this kind of makes sense and as I moved on will show you how, how these could sort of work in the field. The stations are 42 feet in length and seven feet in width. And this first location, which is the sort of one we identified as, you know, being the preferable location here would be there is the sidewalk access. People, the bikes would be oriented so that they would be sort of at the back end of this and so people would come in from the sidewalk, and get the bike and then pull it towards the sidewalk and pull it back I'm sorry. And pull it back towards the sidewalk in order to then continue. I'm going to mute myself for just one second. I'm sorry about that. Okay, sorry about that. And then the second location is a little further down. So this is where the first location was proposed. We thought that perhaps if there were some concerns about this being too close to the street that this location would also work we did measure this in the field so it is possible to actually get a station within this location within this footprint. There is a tree here but we think it would be far enough back so that it wouldn't really impact the root structures. A concrete pad is needed for this, for this entire with especially because it is on grass so it would have to be, it would have to be level enough, and then it would have to have concrete poured to hold the bike docks and to hold the bikes themselves. And then the third location, again as you saw in the map above is further down. And this is where the proposed mixed use development is. And again, this, this might have access in terms of electricity access we might have to tie it in through the pole, that would probably require some trenching, which is more expensive, which is definitely the cost of the town the, the funding that we received does not cover the cost of the installation, nor does it include the cost of the concrete pads but it does include the equipment and the docking stations. So that was what the funding provides for. And I'll move on to the West street location. So the West street location. You would think we would have more than two options but as Maureen concurred with me. It really is very difficult to find a really adequate location for stations in the Pomeroy village center here. There's not enough space over in this area, but there's a detention basin right here. And they're just simply is not the width and the, the length in order to support a bike station in this location. Elsewhere, there's literally just not enough right of way. There's a potential safety issue where there's not enough of a, a curbside for people to walk or to safely be protected. Once the station was installed. So the locations that we have here. And again, I did it originally identify this with the planning director Chris Brester location we identified here is in front of this. This business that doesn't seem to be that active right now I don't, I haven't seen much traffic if it is in use, I'm not aware, but there's no parking back here. So there's no vehicle movement in this location. Versus I'm sorry I'm just going to go up a little bit just to sort of show you anywhere else along here this whole area in front here you can't really see it but there's parking and it's all at an angle. And to put a station, even if we could put a station here, there's a real safety risk with with vehicles backing out. It just doesn't work and that's really true. Over here as well there's just not enough of a clearance for vehicles to, you know, to be that close backing out to the, to the bike stations so this location here. We don't have to deal with any traffic issues in terms of vehicles backing out from parking areas. But how we would potentially do this would be to install the station here and it would be oriented so that the bikes are toward the street so people would actually walk across the back of this of this station and access the bikes from here and pull the bikes out this way. And then they would proceed on their, on their route. The other location the other orientation in this similar location. We moved it a little bit down, and we had it oriented so that it's actually further back towards the property line within the right of way, but in this configuration people would actually back the bikes out this way. It's a little bit closer. The reason why we moved this and propose this orientation is that we know that there is a proposal to redo the village center. And that there are eventually sidewalks that will be proposed. So I can't confirm for sure that we would have sidewalks at this point. Maybe that they would have to exist as they are with the concrete pads temporarily until sidewalks could be installed at a future date, which I could not tell you exactly when that would be. But again, this would be a shorter length of sidewalk before people would have to for people to actually access from the bus stop which is further further south of this proposed location. So I'm going to go back to, yep. Is that the moan and dove up then. Yes. Okay. It's not the moan and dove here the moan and dove is further. Let's see. Let me find moan and dove I think is over. Is it over here, Marine? No, it's right. It's right here. Oh, you can't see my mouse. It's the bigger building. This one right. Yeah. The bigger building is like the. The used furniture store and the Pilates studio and all that stuff. And behind the gas station, right? Aren't we looking, isn't this to the north of Pomeroy? So Pomeroy is here. Yep. This is just to the north. But this is not, this is not moan and dove. Moan and dove is further down. It's not here. This is just a little, this is just a little, I don't, honestly, I don't even know what this, what the business is in this location. Is it a road bank or? It doesn't, it, that's why I was saying it doesn't even appear to be used. I mean, I did see some vehicles parked there, but I don't even, it doesn't even look like it's in use to be honest. I think the first building on that corner, if I'm not mistaken, is the gas station and then, isn't it? You know, the Mexican restaurant and the trading post and moan and dove and that bigger building and then the one just above it, the one that you're proposing to have the bike share in front of that's that one. I don't know what that is. It's part of that larger building. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, moan and dove. Can you see my mouse? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, my understanding was it's in this building, correct? Yes. Yeah. Correct. So it's just, this is the, so, but where we're proposing is, you know, is obviously north of that. So it's not, and that's why I was saying the parking here is an issue. Because people are pulling out. So then that's why we've moved it north. So there wouldn't, there wouldn't be a similar safety issue in this location. And we've talked about moving the sidewalks way back from the corner if they do a roundabout. So that would actually make more sense anywhere for that. Yeah. Correct. So it's just this is the, so, but where we're proposing is, you know, is obviously north of that. So it's not, and that's why I was saying the parking here is an issue. Yeah. And again, you know, the bus stops are located here. So they, they are, you know, fairly close to an existing transit stop. And again, you know, it's pretty clear that there's like a dense housing unit units over here. So there's, you know, there's housing density in this area, which is again something that's very desirable for the use of these for the system. So I can stop sharing unless you want me to go to something. You want to see something again. So we shall we open discussion or was there more to show to show us Stephanie. I don't have more to show you these were the sites that I have to present to you. So do you want to start with the southeast wonder the, which one do you want to start with. So we can do it in order that I started. So there are the three proposed locations and I can, I can show this map. Do you want me to continue to share or would you like me to stop sharing. I think it's good to see it. Okay, sure. So these are again, these are the three proposed locations. Okay. All right. Erica, did you have some thoughts on southeast street. First, Stephanie, thank you for very thorough and easy to follow presentation. I appreciate that. I think I agree with you here in the order of preference one, two, and three, I think that three just because that mixed use building should eventually get built. And the reason to keep it lower on my list is that it'll feel this, it's not physically on the property or in the construction area, but it'll feel disrupted by construction at that location. So I like one or two to me feel a little bit safer away from the, the nose of the traffic is people are turning there. But I, I'll go with my colleagues on this. Did you say that a number, that number that the second choice could access electricity on that same side. You don't have to do a trench across. Okay. Well, but there it is. I mean, I think it would probably have to access the same location as site one. Yeah, okay. So there is more distance. But it's on the side of the street. Yes, but it is on the side of the street, but it still also will require, you know, more work and probably some trenching to, to actually connect. Okay. I see only one little advantage for three is that it's closer to the apartments across the street. There's that whole group. Yeah. And they could walk across the street and get a bite, but there's only a few feet and they would be easy and possible to get to number one or number two. So, I think I like to because it looks like there's more room. Number one looks a little cramped, but personally, I would be, I would support either one. Lindsey. I would agree that one and two are potentially preferred, but I think two makes the most sense given that it's set back a bit and doesn't look as squished. Right. Jam. I agree with everybody else. Tom. Tom. What do you think? He just lost him. He's gone. He's gone. Okay. All right. I'm sure he'll be back. Okay. Well, are we saying we'll agree with one or two, depending on how everything. Final, finally works out, or do we want to sort of show a preference for two. There seems to be a preference for two. Okay, let's do a preference for two. Okay. Great. Okay. Okay. Great. Absolutely. Absolutely. There we go. Great maps. They're really good maps. Thank you. Well, I have to, I, I'm going to give more in the credit for these. I did some of this, but Maureen made it there. So I'm going to. Well, they're really good. Okay. So, so this is West street. So this is just north of Pomeroy. Yeah. This is a little splitting the difference here because yes, they are, they are within basically the same area, but I think the difference here. Was really. And I think either one of them could be pushed back. So if you thought one should be pushed back towards the property line, that's certainly an option. I think the reason why we sort of proposed them this way was to make sure that even though one is a little bit closer to the street, people would be pulling their bikes out behind the station. So there's, there's that feature. And another reason we sort of proposed. One and two is also that, you know, two is just a little bit more directly in front of the building. So, you know, it was just a matter of just shifting it a little bit further north. I mean, this general location, if this general location were okay, you know, it may get tweaked further by further review, but if you were okay with this general vicinity and you had a preference to whether it's closer to the street or closer to the property line as a recommendation that would be helpful. If a sidewalk were built. Would it include some parkway with like what we're looking at right now with that baby sidewalk and there'd still be some grass. This is, this would be the concrete pad. And the way the bikes are, they pretty much take up most, you know, the length of the bikes, they're actually fairly long. And they would take up most of the space of this pad. So there isn't really a pedestrian walk way along the back of the pad really. But you were saying there's a chance of. Sidewalk will be put in along there. There could be. Yes. Where it would actually go on that. Well, we were proposing that it would sort of go on this along this side. If the station were located here, we'd probably propose it along this way. Okay. So it'd be right up against the street. Yeah. And where are you getting electricity for this one? So this one, I believe there was a utility pole. You can see there's a street light right here. So these have been, some of them have been connected to street lights to the same electrical service that's serving the street light. They add, you know, they add like a little utility box. Right. Okay. Yeah, I have another question. And what is it that would, I'm very concerned that people speed up rather quickly out of the city. I know that traffic calming is one of the initiatives of the renovation of this intersection, but I would think that any sidewalk would come with a buffer. Between the streets, you know, it may be a little bit of a green buffer between the street and the edge of the sidewalk. As a pedestrian safety issue. So I know that's also been raised. So I like pulling it back, but I'm not convinced that having people, having the nose of the bicycle facing east. Is going to work there with the sidewalk and leave enough space for the sidewalk. So I, it's really hard to design. With the sidewalk. But it's a lot of additional information. Maybe we'll get a sidewalk. Maybe we won't, but if we do. I think 70 used suggested that the whole thing might move a bit, could move a bit to the east like toward, towards the building. Yeah. I think there was a reason why. When we were out there and I can't remember what the topography was like, exactly out there. I don't know that we. I don't know. I don't want to go further back, which is why I think we kept it to these two locations. And if you notice, they're both. Pretty much in the same footprint. Yeah. But if you had number one, you could have the noses going towards the street and people would pull out onto a sidewalk. If one were in. Yeah. Yes. Which I think is, it just seems better. I agree. And then where the pad is would be the green space. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Okay. So was it, are we saying we, we are favoring one. So. I would. Okay. Sidewalk. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Do we have. Marine anybody from the public who wanted to weigh in on this before we go any further. If anyone has a comment to provide, they could press, press the raise your hand button. Okay. Okay. Got seeing anybody. Are we seeing anybody. Okay. So we've offered our suggestions. And so just to be clear, is the, the DRB recommending. For. Pomeroy. Village intersection. The number, the number one option with, with the recommendation to the town council that a sidewalk be. Installed east of the bike share station. Yes. Yeah. And it probably have to be given how close. Number one is to the street, but yeah. Right. And then you can decide as, you know, as the town council does a sidewalk mean now, just a sidewalk mean in a couple of years when the roundabout. Goes in. Yeah. Okay. And then for the other location, South East street, everyone. Tom, we missed you for a second, but we. Everyone preferred option number two. Which was closer to the intersection, but on the. Further away from the road. Yes. All right. Okay. Do I hear a motion that we. To that effect. South number two, Jan. I'll move that. VRB endorses. The two. Bike share locations. I'll move that. I'll move that. I'll move that. I'll move that. Number two for the Southeast and college section. And number one for the Pomeroy and West street intersection. Very good. Is there a second. Second. Okay. Thank you, Tom. Okay. I'll just do a little roll call Lindsey. Are you in favor? Yes. Okay. And Erica. Yes. Okay. Jan. Yeah. And Tom. Good work. Before we finish. Yeah. I don't know whether there's money possibly in the future for more of these, but I understand that you see them more as the last mile from public transportation. But it also seems to me that if we want to discourage. Cars. Particularly going downtown and parking. In the city. I don't know if that makes sense because then people could just. Especially where there isn't bus service could use them to get to town. So, you know, maybe up at. Cushman or down at Atkins or like where Eric and I are at the very Southeast corner of town, there's a bus service. There's nothing. But if there were a bikes share station, I would go into town and back that way. Right. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But it would seem to eliminate cars better. For those of us who have to always drive because there are no buses. If they were even further out. Right. Agreed. You know, it's not specifically my thinking. It's, you know, it's the evolution of these systems really across the country. And actually even in other countries as well. So, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's evolving from monitoring use. So they're really looking at how did these get used? And they don't typically get used from the outer. You know, they do. The idea is that you really do want to have them sort of in the center of town and sort of, you want to start building them out that way, which is what we're doing. And we're trying to get to the outer edges of town. I will say that without. Funding these are really expensive. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, without the funding that we've had, we'd have, we'd have been able to have as many stations as we currently do already. So. You know, Future expansion is in part going to rely on two things. One of them would be. That there's some kind of funding opportunity. Either at the federal or state level. I've, I have made a pitch at the state level for these. With the department of energy. And then at the federal level, you know, it's a little bit different. But if you look at the administration, maybe there'll be some more awareness about how. Bikeshire really can make a difference with transportation. Because we know that transportation is one of the biggest contributors. To carbon emissions. So. Certainly this is something that really can alleviate that. At a very tangible and substantial level. So I wholeheartedly agree with you. I just think the cost is somewhat prohibitive. And I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. When we first talked about this, we suggest the Pomeroy one and, you know, you said they're my thing. And here we are there. And here we are. Right. Exactly. So I'm going to be, I'm going to remain optimistic that this is just, there'll be more of this in the future. I really, I really believe in it. I think the difference for us is really the fact that this is an all electric. Bikeshare network. I think the electrification. Makes all the difference because if these were just regular Bikeshare bicycles, I really don't know that we would have quite the use that we have. I mean, to, I don't know if any of you have attempted to ride one of these, but they are incredibly easy to use. And when you get on the thing that you just have to get used to is once you start to ride because they're electrified, you accelerate pretty quickly and you go much farther. So you don't have to work as hard. You still have to work, but you don't have to work nearly as hard. Hills. I mean, it literally feels like someone is pushing you up the hill when you're riding up the hill, when the, when the, when the motor is actually engaged. So there's a lot, you know, there's a lot to really, to them that being electrified that really makes the difference for us. So I agree with you wholeheartedly. I really hope we can continue to expand this system. I think even these two will make a difference. I think we can include the stations that are on the UMass campus. And the UMass campus has really been a large contributor to the use that we get in Amherst Amherst is of the entire network within the region. Amherst is one of the highest, we have the highest number of users in Amherst as well as in the spring field. So, you know, and that has a lot to do with the university and the students. And that's what we want. We want them to stop bringing cars to make trips into town. So. Also the bike path. I mean, again, I know it's expensive, but having them at the beginning or the middle of the bike. Right. Would be really good. Yes, we need Hadley on board. It would be really nice to have Hadley, you know, join on, but, but we have South Hadley and, you know, we, and we do have more communities that are, this round of funding that we received. We actually include, Chickpea is now included in our network. We have East Hampton. And we definitely have other communities, West spring field. There are other communities that are starting to be more interested in being part of this. So the hope, the dream, the real dream is that we would find some kind of, you know, network sponsor the way that they have in Boston. So for instance, when new balance at one point was, um, was sponsoring the stations. Um, when a city bank sponsors new, uh, the bike share network in New York and it's called city bike. Um, in Boston now, I think it's a blue bike. And I think, um, blue cross blue shield is now actually the official sponsor of the bike share program in Boston. So we're really looking to find that level of, of corporate sponsor. And I think when, if we can, I think, you know, you know, you know, the more communities that we add on and the more visibility there is, you know, the likelihood that that may happen. Like I said, that's true. I'm sorry. Hadley hasn't gotten involved at all. Um, no, no, we don't have hardly involved. Everybody from here goes to Hadley for shopping. And if people could use the bike path or whatever. For route nine, I mean, in terms of students, it would make so much sense. It would be good for that. Right. I don't disagree. Well, maybe we should go off to park. Archipelago. They're building all these archipelago. They're building all these buildings without parking. Maybe they should sponsor some of these. That would be great. Yep. We, I mean, all of our stations, um, pretty much most of the stations in town need sponsors. I think the only, the only one I think that we have sponsored right now is the one in front of town hall and, um, Cooley Dickinson hospital actually sponsors that one. Um, I don't know. Well, Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So next we have, uh, Uh, Sir Lee. I'll make her. This is go Barry. Yes. D R B F Y 2021. Day 18. Okay. Hello. Uh, sorry. Hi. Do you. Oh, hi. I'm in the car. Oh, okay. I'm pulling. Okay. But this is me. Right. Um, with the assumption that you can't share your screen, let me pull up your, um, proposal. Okay. And so could you introduce yourself to the design review board members and, um, explain, um, Uh, who you are and what you're part of the go Barry and, um, ice cream shop. And, um, if you could propose your, your design, your sign design. Okay. Um, yes. My name is Siri Nam Colsa. And, uh, I bought go Barry from its original owner, Alex. Fine steam who still owns go Barry in North Hampton. And we closely coordinate as far as. Keeping the same formula. Keeping the recipes, just the whole concept is a wonderful. Treat for our community. And we're finding that out more and more every day. People are so appreciative that we're open. Alex could not open reopen it because of personal matters. So I. I'm not a volunteer to buy it and open it. So right now we are fully opened and we have five part-time employees. And the only change really to the go Barry. Business is, I thought it would be a good idea to offer a couple of flavors of Bart's ice cream since they closed down. And some people rather prefer ice cream than the frozen yogurt. So in doing that. I brainstormed a different. Um, Name for the business and actually Anne from Amherst works suggested go Barry and cream. And I thought it was great. So voila, there it is. The, the signage is different. And that we now have the farm. Design because of our local. Products from Maple line farm or milk and side hill farm. And we wanted to accentuate that. And that's what really differentiates. Differences us from other. For your businesses. In the areas. So, um, I think that would be a good idea. Just simply that would, that's the sign that would be on the window and the end cream would be added to the door. Right now the door already has go very on it. And that's basically it. Would you like to know more about me or anything else? So is it going to, is it going to be any color? Or is this simply going to be a black lettering on the window? Yeah, that's it. Okay. Okay. All right. Would the board like to weigh in? Do you have any other foot? Did you have any other illustrations of what the door looks now looks like now or the window looks like, or is this the only illustration we have? We don't have the door illustration. Okay. Okay. So I just. Okay. So, but who would like to have a question. Way in. I just, does it all, does it say right now homemade every day? Is that already on the sign? Homemade every day. Yes. It's already there. Yes. Oh, I'm. On the. Okay. I just find it a very odd thing that restaurants and shops do this because it's saying freshly made makes sense, but homemade, it's not home. And I find this a bad misuse of that term. And if you're changing the sign anyway, I don't know if you'd consider saying something like made fresh fresh fruit. It's only one. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Here. So are you going to replace this sign completely? The one that's. No, that's that's saying. Is for the time being. Yeah. Okay. So you're going to have. Yeah, people basically identified as go baron. That's right. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Yeah, every time I try to open one of these. Okay. Oh, there we go. So this is what the door sign. Looks like with the white lettering, it says go berry has a blue. For the, I guess blueberry and says frozen yogurt. So you're going to take the frozen yogurt off. Are you and then. No, no, no, that's not being taken off that stays on and we're just adding and cream underneath the frozen yogurt. Okay. This is fresh and local fro yo, but does that say fro yo on the door. It seems like we got three different styles of signs going here. The older one that's hanging and then the one on the door. It says frozen yo. Does it say frozen yo, yo is a common acronym. Yeah, I know, but that is, I'm just trying to get clarification because that's what's on the door now local fro yo. Yours says frozen yogurt, but you're going to question local fro yo. Yeah. Yeah. My point that we may not be a big point, but. Are you going to have this image of like a farm and. Yeah, I think that's exactly the decal that goes on the big window. To the right of the door. Okay. And right now on that window. What does it say? Well, there was originally nothing on the window. All right. Okay. So the, what we're looking at is going on the window. You're going to. The door is going to change or it will have and cream under go berry. Exactly the way you see it. The decal. So that door and the window. No, no, just the door is just getting and cream put underneath go berry frozen yogurt. And then the image on the right is going on the window to the right. Got it. Yeah. Okay. It doesn't currently say homemade every day. That's new. Yeah. I just have one comment and that is that I think it's great. I just might suggest that the N is a capital, like to match the cream lettering, but the, but the. The shorter the REM portion. And I'm curious to hear if you had a reason for going with a lower case and that's the same size versus an uppercase. And that's that size. Yeah. You know, I think it was just. An aesthetic. Decision that I tried the capital N and I just felt it was too dominant. And I didn't want that to be dominant. I want to cream and go berry. To be the dominant letters. Yeah. I think that the, the apostrophe N is a nice. Approach. I just think that it looks, it looks like a different font. And a little. A little out of place to my eye. So I'm wondering if there, if. I guess to hear other people's thoughts on that. Yeah. I'd like to see what it looks like with cream, the REM in the same lower case as the N. Well, I've tried that. And again, it's, to me, I wanted to accentuate the word cream. And that's why I left it in caps. I like the caps and cream because it matches the, the berry. I think that that all feels cohesive. It's just, I think being the same size as the all caps, but shorter REM just feels, it just feels odd to have the lower case at that scale to me. So that's, I think what I'm responding to. Yeah. Yeah. No, I appreciate your, your feedback. I, I did. Believe me, we, we went through a lot of variations of this with my wife and other people. And we found that when we made the N, the font smaller, it almost disappeared. And so we decided to keep it lower case, but have it that size. Another question, the fresh and local Froyo, the letters are more spaced out and ice cream is kind of compressed. Is there a reason for that? No, no, it was just the way that when it was centered, that's the way it came and ice creams, two words. And again, we did not want to emphasize the ice cream because it's mainly a frozen yogurt shop. So we took all this in consideration, you know, and this is what we came up with, with Amherst design people. And we like it a lot. So you know, thank you for keeping go very alive. This is. Fantastic gift to me personally. I do, I, I was going to pick up on. Jan's question about the ice cream. I see a number of small anomalies that. When taken in combination with the existing old sign of the hybrid of new and old on the door, and then this brand new sign on the window, kind of all add up to it feeling a little more eclectic than I would like to see. And so if, for example, the spacing of fresh and local froyo, the spacing of those letters was the same as and ice cream, that would make that portion of the sign feel more cohesive rather than two slightly different letter spacings. Similarly, you've got the plus sign for and in the top line and an ampersand for and in the bottom line. And that along with an apostrophe N is another way to say, and makes it kind of confusing to me as a, as a designer. So I think that fresh and local froyo and ice cream. Should have the same abbreviation or character for the and symbol. If that were possible, I think that that would clean it up a little bit and then maybe also to give it just a little bit of a better understanding of what that would mean. And so I think that that would be the best spacing between N cream and fresh and local froyo. That would help you that portion of it to stand out more like you were hoping it would. I agree. I think fresh and local froyo right now is left and right justified to go. Same as go berry. Whereas ice cream is just centered. Maybe you could just center fresh and local. And I agree that the plus and the ampersand and the ampersand and the ampersand and the ampersand and the ampersand. I see where you're going and I agree, but then I'm not sure that the solution. If you have fresh and local froyo and ice cream. Almost too many ands. I see. Do you have some other something else, Erica? Some other way to repair that. So we don't have fresh and local froyo and ice cream. Do you really need the plus sign? Can it be just fresh, local, fresh, local froyo. I think that's a good one. Oh, that could. Honestly, I, I'm taking this from Alex, who is the original owner and he has this decal on his North Hampton store. And it's. Well received. And it looks great. And we didn't see any reason to change that. It made sense to us. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're distinguishing your store is different from his by adding ice cream. So it's complicating the logo in a way that his isn't. And that's why. Yeah. As designers were suggesting these, these streamlined. Ideas. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Better. Yeah, I understand changing. I mean, having both the ends. The same. That doesn't work for me. Yeah, I get that. That shouldn't be a problem. But I think the other suggestion, fresh local froyo. Just delete that. Plus sign. What did, what would members feel like if it said fresh, comma, local froyo. Plus ice cream. No, the comma is superfluous. Another mark. So I hesitate to say that we have to change how he refers to his. Business. I think the design is not a branding issue. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's the language of business wants to promote. And that's their prerogative. And I think. I have yet to see a good sign in all of Amherst. I think it's a good sign. I think it's a good sign. I think it has the proper spacing and the proper letting and the proper typefaces. And as a professional graphic designer, there are about a thousand things in here that I want to critique the heck out of, but I don't find it in any way. Offensive or problematic to have these things in a local shop downtown. That, you know, for me. I mean, everyone just layers on their graphics and adds new things every other week to most of the shops around. And I feel like this is just another, you know, I don't think it's perfect. I don't love it. And I want to critique the hell everybody else. Well, I think, you know, for, for what it's trying to accomplish, it's only 32 inches, which is actually not quite that big. So I'm not offended by it at all. I would say just go for it. I mean, I do think there are things you can tweak. And maybe the designer wants to take one more close look at things to make sure that all those things are matching. But, but otherwise I would be happy to approve it as is. Yeah, I mean, of course, that's why everybody comes to the design review board because maybe there is a little. Idea that people can accept, but I mean, it's certainly entitled to go forth with this sign. But, but I want to be sure we, if there are some specific recommendations, even if he doesn't want to accept them that we be sure we've got them down. So Tom, you're saying go as it is. And Erica, your. Suggestion is if he would like, what would it be? Take away the plus. To make the abbreviation for and. The same character in the two lines, fresh and local. Froyo and the second line and. Okay. All right. Lindsay. Any thoughts? I think, I think the N is still the biggest thing that's catching my eye and I do agree with the other things that people have mentioned the spacing and the multiple ways of saying and also caught my eye, but I think it's the end that trips me up the most. That being said, I also hear Tom's point that it's, it's kind of a, you know, it's, it has character and it's, it's fine the way it is, but I think just in terms of our eyes, graphic design critics, you know, that's what we're here for. These are the, these are the recommendations that we're offering. And just to remind the DRB members that your recommendations are actually not for the applicant. It's there for the building commissioner in this case. Who will be, you know, approving the needed permit. Okay. And Jan, anything you want to add on this? No, I think I made my point. I mean, I realize it's a local place and it's, it's homemade, so to speak, but I think that we're trying to keep the quality of imagery downtown at a certain standard. And I don't think it hurts to make suggestions to improve it. You know, I definitely think that you could change the ampersand to a plus, for instance, and change the spacing a little, but it's, you know, again, it's, you can tell the building commissioner and then he'll tell you and you could do what you wanted to. What my only thought is that you're essentially with three different signs. I mean, they all say go berry and everybody knows what it is. It's not going to make anybody not go in, go in the door because of the fact that every sign seems to be a little at odds with the other ones. So I'm no major thoughts on that. So Maureen, do we, you have jotted down our limited suggestions? I have. Okay. So what somebody would like to move that we essentially we approve the sign, but we do have some suggestions. Is that how what, is that how the building inspector would like us to give him those? Yeah, I mean, it's not, yeah, it sounds that, um, you know, at least four out of five members have suggest specific suggestions. And so I can put those into the memo. Okay. And I will say the building commissioner, you know, thoroughly listens to recommendations. So, um, so you, you know, and they're often conditions of permits. So it's not that the building commissioner just reads it and throws it away or something. So or does have a voice. Okay. Well, the applicant can he can obviously ponder all this and they want to make any changes that's according to what we've been talking about that would be good. I also want to just agree with Erica that I'm extremely excited that this is going to live on. So that and with Barts, I think that's just a fabulous idea. So good idea. We really appreciate it, at least in our household. Yeah. Here too, except we just want chocolate. There's never been chocolate. If Barts comes in, put chocolate in. Okay. Do I hear a motion? Okay. I'll also move that we have a group with our suggestions. Okay. Is there a second. I can. Any discussion for the discussion. I don't think we probably have anybody from the. The. Community laying in. But all right. Uh, look at them. Let's take a vote. Uh, all in favor. Lindsey. Yes. Tom. Tom. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And Erica and Catherine. I, all right. There you go. I think. Marine that takes care of that. Yeah. We'll look forward to some. Thank you. Yoko. Yes. We'll be there. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Thank you. Okay. So next we have a planner, Ben. Breger. We'll talk about the sign at. Cemetery. Great. Hi everyone. Can you hear me? Okay. Yes. Great. Thank you. So yeah, thanks for taking the opportunity. Um, basically, um, I am presenting a design for a new sign at West cemetery. Um, which is the downtown, um, cemetery in Amherst, the most historic cemetery in town. And the, we, you know, worked with a Seth Gregory on the design of the sign. So it matches the. Uh, kind of rest of the family of signs that we're developing for the town. Um, both, you know, I think probably most recently, you all reviewed the Kendrick park. Sign. Um, similar. It's, you know, relates also to the way finding signs. And I think also the, uh, The writer's walk signs in a way as well. Um, so we have kind of a, you know, we're developing a plan, uh, for signage in West cemetery. Um, that's kind of a long-term goal. Um, as, you know, Jan knows where it's part of the historical commission's work. Um, to kind of improve, uh, visibility of West cemetery, access to West cemetery and interpretive material in West cemetery. Um, there's also the Amherst history mural. Um, which is on the back of, uh, what he's pleasant and, um, Is, you know, an incredible, uh, asset for the town. And, um, So we kind of have this long-term goal of putting developing signage for West cemetery. Uh, and this is kind of phase one. Um, we want to have interpretive signage that talks about the mural and, you know, directs people to the Dickinson grave to, uh, you know, the William Smith Clark is buried there. The, uh, Um, you know, other prominent names in Amherst and then, you know, there's Civil War heroes buried, um, In the cemetery as well. So, um, The, the design of this sign, um, There, there is some urgency to getting it in the ground where we made a big push to revamp West cemetery just in the past a few months, you know, to get ready for the Juneteenth celebration, which is happening on June 19th in just a few weekends. Um, and so we'd really like to get this sign placed and installed by then, um, just to kind of, you know, have a new look for West cemetery. Um, So we've been working hard to get the sign designed and are kind of bringing it to you guys, uh, for, To review it and, um, look it over for us. So, Um, Maureen, I can, I can share my screen here. Um, I, I just, you know, I only have, uh, PowerPoint at my disposal. So I tried to kind of put together a rendering that shows kind of the sign in place. Um, this is the existing sign that's out there right now. I don't know what this is made of. I think it's on a plywood backing and like a vinyl on top. But as you can tell, it is not aged well at all. You know, you really can't even read it. Um, and so, but essentially, uh, I took the same, I luckily had a PDF of this, uh, Sign and I took the text out of here. Um, And pretty much gave it to set to, To put it in the family of way finding side of the family of town signs that we're developing. Um, so it has, you know, Welcome to West cemetery national register of historic places, 1730, uh, this kind of block of text about who's buried there and kind of the history of the, Cemetery, you know, from 1730, We have a small map that shows kind of the various Areas in the cemetery. There's the 1730s know the African American burial site in the back. The Dickinson plot in the 1870s section. Um, and then down here it's the, you know, Sponsors of the Amherst Community History mural and the artist and then the just some rules and Regulations for the cemetery and the hours. Um, The, uh, The current sign, um, Is kind of placed right here. Uh, the two, uh, Wooden posts support it. Um, and really we thought the most straightforward thing to do Was to just pull this sign off and put the new sign, um, In the same place. This is my attempt to show that we're going to kind of like put some Stone crushed stone down there and eventually hopefully, Hopefully some plantings around there just to kind of make it nicer and also, you know, Make, make it so, you know, for maintenance, You don't have to mow right up against the sign. You can kind of go around. Um, so yeah, This is the entrance from North Pleasant Street that you would see. Um, This is kind of at a slight angle looking down towards the road. Um, and this is kind of a straight on, uh, Shot of what it would look like. Um, And as you can see the mural in the background here. Um, I will say too, there was, um, there's a reason we're keeping it. Whoops. Sorry. Um, We just thought it was easiest to, um, Keep it, uh, use the same posts. Uh, we don't have to. They're in good condition to post themselves. Um, we'll probably apply apply a coat of paint just to give them a fresher look. Um, And, you know, that way we don't have to do a dig safe or, uh, They're, you know, just to check for utilities. We don't have to dig anything new. Um, but those are solidly in the ground. Um, and we'll just put the new sign right on there. Um, And yeah, I think, um, Eventually we'll, uh, kind of a long-term goal of putting signs. Um, Probably, you know, some low angle kind of interpretive signage along here to, you know, Uh, teach people about the mural and kind of the different characters that they're seeing there. Um, and then also some, um, Let's Some signage throughout the cemetery as well to, um, Kind of help, yeah, for interpretive, um, Material. So. Yeah, I can, um, certainly entertain any questions, feedback, thoughts, and, um, You have to hear what you have to say. And can I just add that we did add a single sentence. Yes. Out the African-American section, Which was not on the original. Yes. Thank you, Jen. I almost forgot. Yeah. So there, um, you know, This is in this cemetery, uh, Um, you know, it's just a product of history. The African-American section is in the back here. Um, and Thompson Memorial. Yeah. Yeah. Thompson Memorial. Um, This is also kind of directly related to the work we're doing. The historical commissions doing with the Civil War tablets as there's, um, African-American soldiers who served in the Civil War who were buried back here. So it's, and they were part of the 54th, uh, Massachusetts regiment. So, um, fairly notable in history. And so what we noticed in this block of text, which you can't read, Um, but is, uh, copied it over here. There was nothing about, um, referencing the African-American section. So we added a sentence just here. Um, So it was a sentence that was sent to the cemetery. Along the cemetery is Eastern edge members of Amherst long standing African-Americans. They have population are laid to rest. Including soldiers who served in the civil war. So just to. Um, Make sure that history was being told. So is there a sign at the other entrance to the, uh, cemetery off of, uh, what triangle street. I think there's the gate with like two stone pillars at the gate. And I think West Cemetery is inscribed in the- I always thought that was the official entrance. I never really considered the back end of the stores as the official entrance. It's a little skaggy, nothing to do with you and the sign, but it looks a little skaggy. But so wouldn't there be the thought to have two signs, one or the other? Yeah, we hope to put a much more prominent sign on Triangle Street, kind of a long Triangle Street that's like perpendicular to traffic and kind of really called out. I don't want to do real everything here. No, no, totally. And I think it would be, it wouldn't have as much material on the sign because this is more for pedestrians as they're entering to come and read. I think the Triangle Street sign would be this big, calling out, welcome to West Cemetery. And the posts look crooked in every photo, are they? They're slightly crooked, yeah, leading back, but we're gonna, I'm working with Alan Snow, the maintenance and- We'll be setting concrete, are they gonna be able to straighten those? Yeah, yeah. And painting them is a great idea, I think, yeah. Definitely, yeah, definitely, yeah. Any thoughts from the rest of the group here? Lindsay or Erica, Tom? Just curious what it's gonna be made of and mounted on and how it's gonna be secured to the posts. Just curious about that kind of fabrication quality. Yeah, yeah, certainly. It'll be made on aluminum with a, I think, six millimeter aluminum with kind of just like, I think it's a vinyl print right on the aluminum. And then I think it's just gonna be a fairly simple installation just because we need to do it relatively quick, just with bolts through the corner of the signs right into the posts. And we'd put washers against there. Okay, I mean, I'm just curious, because the sign's like overhanging a little bit. I'm just wanna make sure that the wists, right, because I don't want your bolts winding up in the middle of your art. And so it's like right now, like, if I look at, I'm looking at the PDF that's online, but the face on shot, the way, and again, it's just the way it's mocked up. So just make sure you have the right width. Like that bottom bolt would go right through or whatever logo is in the bottom left corner. Yeah. So it's just like, you know, figure out where those line up and whether you need some space on the top and bottom to add bolt room or, you know, measure that first and then let's see how it lines up. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yeah, just graphically, it's fine. It's just one of the fabrications gonna be a tricky thing when you're working with those fixed posts. Right. It does look a little spindly. The new sign of what the posts as they are, the, if it extends as Tom is wondering to the edges of the two posts. Yeah, the posts are exactly one edge to the edge to edge. You know, far edge to far edge, they're exactly two feet apart and the sign is 24 inches wide. So it will line up nicely. Yeah. I think I made this rendering before I measured. So. I mean, if they, if you weren't using this post, did you have another plan B for posts? Cause I think, you know, I can see why, I just go ahead and they look, it looks a little hokey, but I wouldn't argue against using them. I just wondered if you thought, you know, if you, as looking at it, you would have used another kind of post if the tree ward hadn't said, this is okay. Right. Anything else? Yeah, I don't think we need to take time on that. But I think when you paint it or stain it, it will certainly improve its overall look. And this is temporary. The idea is eventually there'll be more serious signage throughout the cemetery. So it isn't a permanent plan here. Yeah, I think the, yeah, as Jen mentioned, I think the design of the sign is, you know, something we're hoping to finalize. You know, I think it can be, you know, considered a final at this point. I, there's some, yeah, I would hope eventually to, yeah, you can see it's leaning here to find a kind of more permanent solution. I imagine kind of as we develop this system of signs, we might have a consistent kind of mounting idea. You know, whether it's like black poles or granite posts or something like that. But for this one, we're just kind of working with what we have for right now. I understand, yeah. Such a great improvement. Yeah. Erica or Lindsay, either do, if one of you have any thoughts, we'd like to put forth at this time. Yeah, I think the sign looks good. I'm glad that it's staying within the language of other signage that's coming down the way for the town. I want to make sure that it's readable so that it doesn't get mounted too high. And I see that you really aligned the top of the sign with the top of the posts. And based on the top of an average fence, I think that the majority of that block of text will be at about, you know, average person eye level. But there's a lot of assumptions there. So, yeah, I'd say that, I mean, I know this isn't subject to ADA rules, but if you were to consider that, you'd want the top, well, technically, I think it's like the bottom of the highest line of text to be at 60 inches. That's a concern that I have just to make sure that it's accessible and readable. And then this is a tiny thing, but I'm curious about the use of the apostrophe with the dates. It's the 1800s section and there's an apostrophe. Is that because the section belongs to the, Jan, maybe you can weigh in, does the section belong to the 1800s or should that apostrophe not be there? Hot debate in editorial circles. Where is it in the text? On the map. Oh, no. If it's 1800s. No, it shouldn't have an apostrophe at all. No one's an apostrophe to go away. Yeah. People over use apostrophes. It's just plural 1800s. Yeah. We could even just say 1800. It doesn't even need to ask for me, but you have it 1730s. You have it down there too. I can do it too. 1730s in the 1870s. Yeah. Apostrophe is unnecessary. No. No. Good. Good. I think it looks really nice. It does feel like a lot of small text. But that's really interesting. It looks really clean. I don't know if it's worth considering just kind of. Reducing the margins a bit on the white sides, like the underneath the top kind of. Band that says West cemetery. Reducing those margins just a bit to give. See what kind of space you can get. You know, if you can go up a font size, I think that would help. But otherwise, I think it looks, looks great. And maybe, maybe painting the posts temporarily would be a good idea just to give it a little bit cleaner look. You know, just to, just to. Pressure it and make it kind of all read. Maybe that dark, the kind of the dark brown, that's the. West cemetery background. If you could just make it kind of. Close as close as possible, just so that cleans it up. Yeah, Ben. What Erica said reminds me that the writer's lock signs are going to be mounted lower. Four wheel chair access. And I'm wondering if since those posts are just sitting there and you can set this at any point on them. Whether you might not make the sign. Not necessarily sit at the top of them, but come down a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, it certainly doesn't need to be at the, be at the top. Here. I think we, it's a. You know, actually, I failed to mention it. It's 24 by 36. The sign. So yeah, I can certainly, you know, if the top is at. Six feet, maybe then the, you know, the bottom here would be three feet. But as Erica mentioned, maybe five, five feet should be the, the top and. Trying to think two feet off the ground. Might not be that much, but yeah, I'll play around with that and kind of get it. So the main block of text is that, is that a reasonable level. Great. Okay. Any other suggestions? Okay. Well, it's a definitely an improvement. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. I know. We've been working on a lot, a lot of signage and a lot of it's come before you guys. And I think oddly enough, this one might be the first one that's actually. Brought into reality enough. Something we see on the screen. So I'm excited to. Let's see it. Right. Right behind. Yeah, it is. Very close. Okay. All right. Okay. So. We've given you our best thoughts. And, um, I don't know if we need a motion or you. Not in this case, right? No, I said, let's just, yeah, let's just leave it that you've heard us. We love it. Thank you. Yeah. Take out the apostries, paint the posts. Yeah. Very good. Thank you everyone. Yeah. Thanks a lot. Okay. Did we have another agenda item? Marine or. Just approval meeting minutes just for May 27th. I didn't get around to write the. The very short meeting minutes. Yeah. We're okay with me. And one tiny. Which is just. Take it or leave it. But it was. The very end of the minute. So it says. Of course now they've disappeared. I didn't go. Um, I'll just try to remember exactly the wording was something like to keep the, the signage. And that's there. The existing signage that's there with. It just was a little unclear. I think you should have just said replace. So it's like a minor thing. Cause it just makes it sound like you're keeping the current, current signage when we talk, talking more about replacing it with something, either getting rid of it or replacing it with something that is. Their menu or whatever else. Menu board. Yeah. Yeah. Any other. Corrections. All right. If not. Do I hear a motion that we approve? The minutes as corrected. I'm still, I'm just still thinking about Lindsay said, I thought that we had discussed keeping it and putting a menu in it. Yes. Or replacing it. With something. And so when I went through and checked it. For Marine, I think I had both. You could say either. Keep it. For a menu or replace it with a new sign. I didn't know that you could keep what's there and replace it with a menu. So I think that's maybe it's just a, but I don't know. As well. It's a housing. And then you can. Yeah. We thought we could just rather than putting up something else. They were hoping they could just slide a menu in it. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought it was just my misunderstanding. You're okay, Lindsay. I'm fine. Yes. Okay. All right. Okay. All in favor. To accept the minutes. Thank you. There was second to 70 minutes. Okay. Okay. Any further corrections or additions? All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. All right. Marine. Do we have any public comments? If there's any public comments, please. Are there any raise your hand. I'm not seeing. Any hands being raised. Okay. Then that's the end of the meeting. We have our next meeting date. We do not. No. Well, actually, um, I just received a. Uh, Uh, regarding archipelago project at 11 and 15 East pleasant street. They are making. Possible revisions to their plan. And once those are submitted to the board, then I'll reach out to schedule a meeting. Yeah. Um, it looks like Hilda Greenbaum has raised her hand. Oh, all right. If you want to. Go ahead. Hilda. Yes. I was having a hard time getting it to work. Um, I was. Not happy with the way that. Land was being maintained. In back of one East pleasant street. It really looks like it needs. Weeds for the maintenance or whatever. And the reason I'm bringing it up is that the. Very clearly says in the zoning by law that there should be a 20 foot rear yard setback or all set that side and rear yard. For downtown properties that are bought. General residents. And the cemetery not only as general residents, but it is. Historic. And they allowed that to be filed. And I think the reason I'm bringing it up now is because you've got 13. East pleasant street with the same issue that they want to keep the five foot setback instead of the 20 feet. And I don't think that that's what we want to view from historic cemetery. That somewhere in there. It's not your purview. I don't know who it is. Who's in charge of. There is landscaping provisions, usually in conditions of permits that they can keep that looking a little bit better. But I wanted to voice that. So when it comes up again, you might be able to put some pressure on people to maintain the site of those rears. From the cemetery and push for the 20 feet. We talked about that already in this. Group, but also. It mostly concerns historical commission because it's going to affect the cemetery heavily if they give them the variance to five feet, all the trees on that edge have to come down. Because they'll destroy their roots. Whereas the 20 feet would save many of the trees. And so. I'm concerned about it on this group, but also for historical commission. Well, more people that can weigh in on it the better. Because a lot of us are not happy with the way that building looks. I think it looks like an orange crate. And those buildings are not constructed very well. I'm very worried that, you know, in the short term, it may be bringing in a million dollars in taxes, but in the long term, I think it's going to make the downfall. Look quite slummy when they're not maintained. And that would, in the long run, we'll lose tax money. If, you know, if up front, you can't. Keep on top of some of these things. As enforcing conditions. That's. You know, the more voices that speak, the more clout we all might have. Okay. Yes. Well, thanks for your comment. And I know. Marine picked it up and we'll include it with our. Minutes. And. Marine, you may. Do you know who to advise Hilda to bring those concerns to? Is it the zoning board of appeal? So Hilda is, as I'm sure Hilda knows, she could make a public comment orally or in writing to the public. As they review. Planning board. Proposed projects. All right. Okay. Thanks, Hilda. Anybody else there, Marine. No. Okay. All right. And then so real quick. I did receive an application for proposed mural on one of the building walls at. Fort at a wild, Wildwood Fort Hill. The elementary school on Southeast street. Wild River. Fort River. Sorry. Thank you. Fort River. It's on their front facing building wall. So I just got that emailed to me. On Friday. So I will. See when that. I'll try to see if we can hold off until we have a couple of more. Applications if that person's not in a rush. So. Okay. Stay tuned. Okay. All right. If nothing else, then I declared the meeting adjourned. Everybody agree. Say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. All right. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. Hi. Okay. All right. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Yeah.