 Hi Dean. Allison, how are you? How the fuck are you? I mean, I'm probably to say I'm just you know, I'm just here. I'm just here. That's it. Where you at? You're Nashville, right? Yeah. Now you're having a place in LA. Did you get trapped in Nashville or did you prefer to be locked down out there? I got trapped here, but it's probably best that I'm trapped here because this is where my studio and all my shit is. So it's kind of better. I have more to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm in right now. I'm in my truck in Atwater Village, which is fastly becoming my favorite neighborhood in LA. Well, I sit around here and think man, I should have bought something. You're out of your car and you feel remorse. No, what's happening as I see smoke in your cigarette is I moved into a new apartment and in three days realized the neighbor smoked and it's coming into my place. Yeah, I was like I gotta get the fuck out of here. So I didn't get Wi-Fi hooked up or, you know, the internet because I know I'm leaving. I've only been in there for a few weeks and it's just oh, man. And I think I'm at a point in my life where I'm just like, wow. Like I have no regrets at all. Zero. But now at night, I think my only regret is I should have bought something. But I think that I would have bought it and then, you know, been like, oh, well, I like this neighborhood better. And then, you know, I'm slowly finding a place I want to spend the rest of my life. I'm at that age, you know. Yeah. Well, it's fine. Just keep driving around, man. Just keep driving around and parking and sitting and Yeah. I got no problem doing it actually. I wouldn't be surprised if the show got picked up as like we like how you interview people in your truck. The technology is so insane now that you could just interview someone in a goddamn truck in a neighborhood. You can't. I'm in Atwater Village. Have you been to this neighborhood ever? Yes, I go there almost every day when I'm in LA because my Pilates studio is there. Yeah, so I just watched the Beastie Boys documentary and I realized when I first heard about Silver Lake and East Hollywood was all the way back when they did Paul's Boutique and the Hey Ladies video and they were living in that mansion and then they recorded over here on Atwater, which is just incredible to think how far ahead of time they were back then. This looks good. It's got vibe and that was back when I was like gangster and there they are Making some of the greatest music ever, right? Yeah, I'm only halfway through the documentary. I mean maybe like a Third of the way through it. It's so good that I'm watching it little pieces because I don't want it to run out Yeah, yeah, it's funny. It's funny about the Beastie Boys. Is it your birthday, by the way? My birthday, no. It's my friend Barry Ellis birthday. Oh, I got you. Yeah, so I saw it on Instagram But I realized as I watched the Beastie Boys documentary It's just these each record was these periods of time in my life and they're so Incredible how they pop up like wow. I know who I was hanging out with during that time I know where I lived and everything on each record. Isn't that crazy? Yeah It's amazing because music has that power. It's insane It remember it like you minds you like what something smells like when you listen to something you can remember like what your house Your neighborhood smelled like or anything. It's crazy It really is. I always say most people You know when they say there's no good music anymore. They really mean that There's no music that The music is like a time machine for them takes them back to when they didn't have bills or a divorce Student loans, you know what I mean? Yeah, so they don't really mean there's no good music They're not having a good life now. They don't like this part of their life. Yeah 100% because there's so much good music right now. I can't even keep up with it I forget all of it. I get at least 10 bands a month that I think are incredible, which is blowing my mind right now That means you're having a happy life Dean. Yeah. Yeah, it's shitty is my apartment thing is everything else is fantastic Yeah, I'm saying it's just a It said tonight me, right? I'm like, hey, you got a bungalow in the back You got your place. I was like I'm You know what I'm obsessed with and I know that you would dig this because the thing I love about you is Not just your music, but you're just so into all kinds of cool shit like art and everything I'm obsessed with container homes lately. Really? Yeah, you know what those are. Yeah Yeah, yeah, there's people there's people up. It's like a hallway though, right? I mean, it's pretty long and narrow Well, what they do now is they put them side by side by side and turn them into these full mid-century Masterpieces yeah taking it to another level man, and you know, you just throw one up at Joshua tree and disappear Away from the virus right just far away from the virus and just melt in the sun Absolutely. Yeah, I saw I saw that you were talking about the new Wessinda Williams record and by the way, this is the first time I've been seen without a beard in years I had to shave it off because I was just wearing a mask all the time. Oh, yeah It's pretty strange to see your face after it's covered for so long Yeah, and mostly because as you start to age Your skin and everything sags and you realize. Oh, this is this is me getting older and It's incredible The reason I bring this up is we send awareness new record You know, she's making better music now than ever besides car wheels Isn't it I know, but isn't it just I mean there's two totally different types of records though, right? Oh, yeah This new record is absolutely bananas. It's so good the music is so good the sounds are so good Her voice is so good the lyrics are so good. It's so good. I'm listening to it all the time. I love it. I Just love it too because it was a lot because people they cast everybody out after a certain age You know, not just women. I've dealt with ageism big time in the comedy World and thank God I could make my own groove with podcasting and and all that stuff but it's great because You know people look at that like Willie Nelson turned 87 two days ago really and this guy in the last couple years Yeah, you put now music does blow my mind with his kids and stuff Yeah It's awesome It is awesome. I mean, I guess if you just love what you're doing and you love it so hard You're just gonna always keep on doing it people respond to that You know they respond to the fact that you have no choice. You wake up in the morning and you're like, I'm sorry This is what I'm doing. I'm not gonna stop, you know And by the way, I love wearing gloves in the car. Can I see those on the screen really quickly? Those are really nice Right, are you gonna Leave your vehicle today. Are you gonna just stay there and then drive back to like the smoke box? What are you gonna do? Well, I go back to the smoke box. I go back to the smoke box every evening Yes You know, it's funny is I smoked for so long like you you just love them, you know Yeah, and there came a point in my life where I was like, I don't dig these anymore And it was really about maintenance like heroin I would have one in the morning that I loved and I have one after the meal that I love those are two amazing ones And then if I ever had sex, you know That I'd have one after that but other than that they were all maintenance just over and over like To me that's what happened. I just burned out on that's great. I really hope I burn down on them We'll see. Yeah, you will How long have you been smoking? Seven, eight, seventeen and a half years It's a long time. I'll never be 17 and a half years back, you know Yeah, when you look at it, you have like most people haven't done anything for 17 years Like a relationship. I am loyal. I'm very loyal. Yeah Let's talk a little bit I haven't had you on in the years last time we did it much more luxurious We were in the Chateau Marmont. Yeah, I Wasn't in my pickup and we weren't locked down on a on a virus And it was one of it was one of my favorite episodes because we just didn't do podcasts and it meant a lot to me, you know for you to do it and We've become good friends since then which is great. You come to see comedy. I've gone to see you live many times and I Love your world man, and in your art world that is blowing my mind also the paintings and stuff Let's talk. Let's talk a little bit about how you got independence because I went to your show there in LA And it was it was electric. Some of it was kind of Stedman, right? Would you would you think? Well, I grew you know, I always loved Huntress Thompson growing up. That was one of my favorite writers So I that's how I found out about Stedman and I love Stedman. I wish I could draw like I mean it's just incredible what he does But I'm messy like that and I use a lot of ink and I kind of use things in that Manor, but he is far more controlled. He is he's spectacular But I you know doing art shows is really fun. It's really scary. This is a lot of adrenaline involved. It's like Terrifying to bring all that stuff from like your own private You know you spend so much time alone with those things making those things and then to put them on a wall and Invite the world to come in and hang out with it It's a really interesting experience for sure. I quite like it It's definitely a lot like being a singer You can hide behind your instrument guitar drum space or anything But you're maybe the first time you're in a studio and the producer sold it up your vocal Let's listen to that real quick and you're like, oh Yeah Art show is like you're sewing up your vocal about 20 times on the wall Yeah, the feeling of that because you're going in I know you I know your music and Okay, let's go in and see what this is and then you go in and you're like, oh shit. It's good. Thank God Oh Otherwise, this would be embarrassing and I just have to back out of the door Yeah, just be like it's good. I got a set man. Thank you Just fucking boys, but it was it's really really good stuff and it's so like crazy. Oh Thanks Yeah, yeah, I did it did it sold a lot in LA LA is a good place for my art apparently You know, I mean if that art shows a lot of places and it's usually a lot harder to sell things Yeah In New York like it's really hard to sell something big because everyone lives in a place that is small, you know And then but like LA I think that But I know that was it was surprising to me and awesome Well, Los Angeles is really where I learned about That kind of just a whole art world that the juxtapose Magazine the Todd shores the Robert Williams the Mark Reidens all that stuff years and years and years ago I'd go to these funky little shows on Melrose and people like Mary Karnowski was putting on these huge shows and of these incredible artists and I was just kind of I was immediately hooked on to that art world and the people rocked here that were involved Yeah, I think the art scene is really awesome in LA for sure. It's so so awesome It's a totally different vibe. I mean the art world awesome in New York, but it's a completely different vibe and there's definitely a need for both, you know, it's a kind of Just a different energy entirely I love it When you're when you're painting Are you? Like like what is the the vibe of painting? Are you completely outside of music box? Okay, I'm gonna be in the painting box Because obviously your brain creates pretty pretty pick ass you write lyrics you write music and now you're painting but is it a different like Just mindset because I can't draw. Yeah, but I can I can tell jokes. I can write jokes and write music But I cannot draw. So we always like a person that can draw Yeah, I really you know, I grew up with like I was really into skateboarding when I was little and I loved like all graphics Skateboard graphics like the whole power for all to sort of vibe and I would draw all of that stuff No, but I always drew my mom was a high school art teacher She just when I was tiny tiny. She just sat me down with paints, you know and pens and markers and crayons or whatever and I Immediately took to it. I loved it. All right. She could just leave me there for like six hours and I wouldn't move I would just be like lost in it. So It's always been a really great form of escapism and You know Express expression expressing like how I felt, you know much easier for me than talking It's like music is much easier for me to scream at thousands of people on stage than it is it Me to have a conversation with a stranger, you know, it's just beyond me. I get like So I don't know but I do I do love it feels good Painting though what you're asking about like the music do I go into like one zone in another zone? Um Kind of both it's like if I'm if I'm here right now in my studio if I went home making artwork Then I'm surrounded by my guitars too. So like say I'll get stuck on a painting and I'll pick up a guitar And I'll work on a song and then I'll get stuck on that and I'll go back to the painting And I just like move around like a vulture in a circle in this room all the time. So whatever The grab is my attention. I'll get going on that So it's quite nice to be able to do that but there have been shows or times Where I am painting for a show in a location and that is all I do and I'll go spend like 15 hours a day there And I'll just be painting. So the last show I did Nellie. I don't know if you were at that when the list Russia show, which was What was that? Um, it was at the f 155 gallery 105 gallery That whole show was painted in that gallery. So we just covered the whole place in plastic painted the show Pulled the plastic down hung this is on the wall and that was like a month-long process. And it was so fun. It was so so fun So they let you in the the uh building for a month to to create the paintings. Yeah Yeah, I had keys. I came in the back door, you know, we like kind of shuttered the whole front of the building and And I would come in at all hours of the day You know and just stay and work all day and all night and go home and sleep and come right back and And it was a kind of similar experience to the show I had right before that which was in mexico city It was a residency and I got to work on this rooftop studio in downtown mexico city And I would just I'd go there like noon and I'm gonna run back to my hotel room at four o'clock in the morning And then I go back there in noon and run back, you know And I just lived in that so I wasn't playing music. I was just painting. It's kind of different, you know To have to be that extremely focused and have a deadline Produces a different kind of work That's why you did a show in mexico city, you know, one of my favorites ever I Have experienced I was there for two weeks and I painted in my show had like 76 pieces in it or something crazy Did they all sell down there? No, I think about 25 percent of them sold. Um, they're still selling, you know, it was a massive Show Wow, how did that get set up? Uh, well a girl who's happy birthday. I wished today. She's the girl that brought me to mexico city She's the one that set it up. She's and she like does lots of stuff with the art world in mexico. So Um, they were doing these residence season. She asked me if she if I wanted to come and it was like I get to come to mexico city for two weeks and paint Oh, yes, I'll be there Hell yeah That's so cool one of the best experiences of my life literally So incredible Yeah, I love it Let's let's get a little bit about uh, what's going on with you musically. I uh Of course, we're gonna talk about your new single in the video, but the last that we I think the last time was right when the the last dead weather came out You guys had that secret record release remember at Three three clubs. Yeah, and we were hanging out pretty hard then Um And then you went on you did the kills record now. Where are we with uh either of those projects? I know jack white He he seems to be filing up Stuff from the past, you know, um, you think that'll ever happen again I think it will happen again, but I have no idea when and that band has always been like kind of magic trick. It's sort of like It only works if everyone's home at the same time and no one has like a record They're about to go record and the tour they're about to go on for three straight years Which is always what happens. We have four people All in different bands that are all You know full-time bands, so right it's um We'll see, you know, I never know I'll get the call and just be there and do it But right now Jamie and I are writing the kills record. So that's happening Over, you know, I'm sending each other things back and forth from LA. I swear to god. I need to get back to LA I need to like mad max it across the country in my car because This is a good point. I know but where do I sleep and do I have to wear those gloves you're wearing and all of the questions that I have I the reason I wear the gloves and it's so fucking crazy what's going on right now our lives It's so spooky, but You know, like you don't realize how much you touch yourself Until you're not supposed to touch yourself your face and I watch people As they're talking on these zoom shows and stuff and they're just touching their faces and just kind of like Constantly Do those make you not touch your face? Well, yeah, because I kind of got like gloves on And it reminds me they're fucking turquoise gloves. It's this big turquoise plastic thing coming out your face and you say no No, no Okay, also, also what it does to me. It's just the old no glove no laugh, you know I uh, I get home I take the gloves off. I throw them in the garbage can and then I shower And it's kind of like a freedom of like all right. Well, I know there's nothing on my hands because I had gloves on and um I don't know. There was a time and and uh, uh, uh, I was pretty honest about it with some friends, but At first I kind of joked about the virus. I was in austin the day that they uh canceled south by south West I was headlining a show there Well, and I landed right when I landed it said austin South by southwest canceled on the front pages. I was getting off the plane. I was walking down the uh airport I was like gone. Yeah, they're they're taking that pretty fucking serious. It's that's stupid. That's what I said and um I hung out with chris late in all day and we uh from double trouble and we did a podcast and I went and did my show And it was show that I noticed about 30 people didn't show up That were uh paid tickets, you know 40 dollars and I was kind of like There's some people that are scared and then when I got home I started to kind of freak out because I was like Man, you know, I don't I don't want to get sick. I've been uh I'm you know, it's just crazy, you know, like my friends had it They were on tour death angel testament An exodus we're on this big tour in europe and they got back and also my new people that had it Of course in my mind like well, they're on tour in italy. So okay, but still It started to get scary. Are they okay? Yeah, they all made it out. Thank god Thank god, but it was really scary because I just had some of these guys on my podcast a month before Uh just a month before so let's start to uh freak me out a little bit and then um And then I just kind of got lost like what is going on with life right now And there's things people that are conspiracy. Oh, this is a government There's other people that are like getting bad. I'm doing this and I'm just trying to just figure figure out my way through this and I'm a single guy live alone And you know some noises start happening in your head and you try to you try to get through it, you know, yeah, yeah And of course like you We traveled for a living and I lost all my work for the year and It's gone so And same with you, right? I mean you can make a record which is fantastic But I don't get off on doing comedy on a zoom show to me comedy Live music on instagram live or like all that. I don't you know, I don't want to that's I appreciate the people that are finding that fulfilling, but same artist The thing I love is the Communication and the feedback the energy, you know, I work with that and I don't get it's so one-sided like I can't it doesn't really work with my brain I don't mind talking on it. That's okay. You know the art form Same here, right exactly art form itself is it requires a circular energy You know comedy absolutely. It's like How do you know if you're with that went over? Well, you just you're just in the dark. You're totally in the dark. So um It's an interesting thing Uh, I feel lucky because I didn't have any shows booked I'm just at that weird point in that cycle where I'm writing. So it's like a very insular experience anyway However, I do travel constantly because I do so many different things, you know And all of a sudden that's just like shut down like I don't I have never been home for this long In my full life It's day 50 today never in my life Not since I was a little kid in junior high. Have I been? I'm the same way. I've been I've been on the in the biz for 36 years now And I'm a workaholic Mostly because it's check to check but um Like I said, I've loved my life and there's a scary part to me and I don't know if this happens to you Let's let's get into this for a minute There's a scary part to me Where you idle so long That you start to go Hey, this ain't that bad like the roots of it started to come and go in It's truly scary. Yeah You know, even though when there's like I've noticed it in myself, which is so it's worrying me. It's like Okay, there's people in my town who I have I have seen like my my brother My niece because we didn't see each other for six weeks It stayed because I was like I can't live without my niece and my brother who live across town So I will do everything so that I know that I'm okay and I can go and see them and um You know and then even having that release of like Some other kind of like face-to-face communication cuddling my niece I mean like the hugest possible thing that could happen and um But at this point, it's like motivating myself to go out of the house to get in my car And like put the mask on and do the things and all the stuff um It's strange what my brain is doing because none of this is complicated, you know Right and it could be a joyous like I'm going but like the motivation is really strange and so I don't know I'm getting so used to being confined in these four walls that Maybe this is what it's like when people go to jail for a really long time and they go home and they just want to go back I don't know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do they call that? It's uh, it's some kind of syndrome. I forget But yeah, I know what you're talking about. It's just kind of like be anymore in this other Thing. I mean, yeah, it's terrifying for the whole human race. I would say I'll do everything in my power to knock that shit out of me when this is over but like You're you're basically coping and you're coping and your brain is telling you know, this is okay And that's how you have to cope is you have to accept it and just be all right But then we all are going to have to turn that off at some point and that's going to be hard You're dean you froze You froze You want to hear the you want to hear the funniest thing that happened you get to Here's what's amazing about uh This new world my phone actually heated up I was I was chilling in the sun, right? And it said Phone temperature too hot must cool off. I'm like, what? What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, oh my god Isn't that hilarious Yeah, that's never happened to my phone. Maybe you should just back under like a tree in the shade or something I just moved over to the shade and you know, it's funny was I didn't want to say anything to you, but I was fucking cooking Throw a window down dude I did I did but it was like I was perfectly in the sun. Find an oak find an oak tree I'm under it now. There you go. I'm under it now All right, I'm gonna Oh my god again, and uh, what you guys get that's so fucking How fucking funny is that my phone heated my phone heated up and just shut off That's only happened to me one time before I was riding through the uh desert on my motorcycle And and I got to right before Coachella and I whipped out my phone and said phone too hot and I'm like Hey man, I got I got a call the guy to get backstage. You know what I'm saying? You just put it in a bucket of ice real quick. Just get it down. Yeah, so I'm blowing on it It's 107 at Coachella I'm like on my phone. I've got to get a hold of billfold to get backstage and I'm trapped I've never I'd tell you what man. We are so fucked when our phone So if if we're in the virus right now, we're just one step away from road warrior shit, you know And all we have to do to wipe people out is just take their phone. There's nothing else you have to do You don't have to do anything else to wipe a person out, but take their phone Right and they're and they're fucking done. They're like my phone It's insane the life we're in right now Oh my god, I love talking to you It's insane It is insane You need to get some backup phones and some like coolers for your phone You should store your phones and little phone coolers. That'll be the next thing up. What comes out with the phone Actually just like a fan. You know those ones you ever see somebody have a fan on their hat I got a at a football game or baseball game. They got a dumb battery fan You know get one of those on the back of the phone Right now. I'm just letting the fucking ac just kick it man That's so crazy Right. Oh, oh, I just I want to know all the people about what I wasn't thinking about you right now Where did you check? Now Good thing. I'm not in a Like like if I was just in some kind of van You know Like just a van they'd be like, hey, there's a dude out there with a press fucking shave looks like a lunatic And he's just sitting in his van Looking at his face for the first time just staring at his own face for the first time just wondering what's going on Let me let me show you real quick. What kind of shit I fucking like right here. Let's see if I can reverse my cam This is the kind of shit Cars on remember don't let it roll away. Yeah. Yeah. Here we go Like look at this bad ass. Like can you see that? It's fun below These are amazing. Look at this one of the old cactuses and shit. What street are you on? Uh, glenn feelers Okay Yeah, so basically What you want to do when you come over the Hyperion bridge. Oh, I know that street. I mean you're so close to where I actually live. I just drive down And then less. Yeah I drive I won't say where you're at, but I thought you were uh a little more west Just ahead Yeah, you're halloween, right? Yeah, I'm really close to like, uh, the oaks The oh, oh, yeah, right. Exactly. That's what I thought when I'm saying this is this is like You know, I always explain to people how the neighborhoods go here if you you're into east side of those beachwood nose fields Silverlake uncle park and off to the side would be outwater village and all at east LA. It's just fucking that soul man I think outwater village is just so cool because the streets It's like flats, but you're just so close to everything and all the houses are so cool Well, what you get and and you get the highland park architecture But you're not way out there. Yeah So that's the beauty of it, you know, yeah What are you what are you hearing? On the in on the inside as far as industry like your managers or your agents or anything Are you hearing anything of like this is just done for 2020? Oh for touring. Yeah, I mean, I think touring on a real real scale is probably done until 2022 2022 Or or a vaccine Yeah, but you know vaccines. I don't know, you know, I'm I don't know I don't know how all that works. This is the first time I've ever even thought about any of these things, but But we'll have a vaccine before then but to get it Is not going to be easy, you know And it's another year to actually get one and there's definitely a lot of people that would get in line to get that far before me You know, like every older person or person with anything going on first, you know right so I think we're going to have to get creative I think we're going to be able to do things in public But I think they're going to have to be smaller. They're going to have to be Someone's I mean, we're going to have to be creative and do something interesting because We can't do things just the way we did and I think my biggest fear is that All my favorite independent theaters all over the country and all over the world all these beautiful places these like incredible places will Probably be bought up by like, you know Whoever I don't want You know, I get it. I get it. Like, are they going to be there? Am I ever going to get to play those places again? What about that hotel? I love that's been there for hundreds of years. What about that bar that cool dive bar? What, you know, like I feel like the next time I go on tour it's going to be like Really, I'll be so excited, but it's going to be like this strange every city I get to my brain Is going to be like, let's go, you know, to all my places my spots, you know, you got your spots And this constant funeral feeling of like Fuck it's gone. I'm terrified. I mean, I'm I'm already sad about it. It's like again that coping thing where I'm like Allowing myself to let go of things that are so meaningful to me and be thankful that I At least got to spend the time that I did Because we're going to start doing something new. It's going to be new new things are going to happen that are incredible, you know, but Yeah, yeah, it's just going to be an interesting psychology for a number of years. I think So try to have a word with myself about that constantly It's really bizarre, right? How just like all of a sudden I I kind of um I kind of put it in this analogy You or I or anybody in the entertainment business. It's kind of like You trained all your life To get into the nfl And then you had a career ending Injury and never got to play again. It's a while like also I was I was telling somebody that and they go well, that's not true Because an injury and you can't put you're not injured and this will you know Go away and I'm just like well We don't know that we don't know if there's going to be venues around If they survive, we don't know if we're going to be able to have more than 100 200 people which makes it hard to tour because we're going to have $2,000 tickets What you know, what what are you going to do? So I mean that's a thing where ideally like the interesting part of this is that It's happening to everybody to the whole world to every business to everything and it's like right Perhaps money is worth less, you know, perhaps rent is less Perhaps everything kind of goes down to a level where it's sustainable. I mean, I think that is really uh, hopeful thinking but There's going to just be so I mean there's so many people out of work. There's so many things It's like all every asset, you know So I don't know it's like yeah, it's probably not going to be possible to tour if you're only playing in front of 200 people I know I've done that. I mean, that's when you sleep on our floor and you don't You know eat um And you play every single night and you drive yourself like 10 hours to the next place right off stage and you're you know You're you can do that Uh, I don't know I really don't know. I don't know but I I think you're now The NFL player is actually quite correct because I think that a lot of people are experiencing that There are a lot of like literal people that have Trained and have a window Especially in sports, you know have a window like everyone's going to the Olympics like That there's a lot of those people that will not get so You know of like a doubt And it's like because it's such a small window You've been working for that your entire life and then That's done like all right. What what now, you know Um, that's the scary thing to me because I started comedy. So wait 44 years old and here I am at 54 and about three months ago I truly felt I truly felt like I was like wow man. I am really Some place in my life right now that is beyond Like anything I ever thought I was like this is incredible. What's happening? Yeah, and and and and and if it all went away, I would be like, well, you know what fuck man. I had 10 amazing years but uh I always think in a reality way of like Fuck man. I I don't know. I really don't know and and you know But I don't let it get me down because I'm definitely down for an adventure. I mean I started comedy as an old man So I'm down for an adventure of course, you know, and thanks. I've been doing this podcast Me too. I'm I'm a down for an adventure too And I'm also open to kind of rethinking and reimagining how we can do our job in a way that Is safe and other people can be involved with you know Especially like in the live room. I think I think we're going to be doing a lot more stuff outside Yeah, like there's drive-in theaters. Did you see that concert a couple years ago? No, I didn't see it It's like in new zealand I had a drive-in theater the band set up at the screen and then people were just in their cars rocking man That's awesome. I know I love that But they'll yeah, but they'll be like cool weird things where it's like, okay You see like the seating arrangement, but it's all set up We have to do things outside because if you want to fit people There's got to be tons of space But this is just like the next couple years And then gradually we'll be able to go back to places that we know Willing that they exist, you know Or figuring out how to get them back, but um, I don't know. It's just going to be really interesting. I'm I am really glad To witness this in my lifetime You know, it's strange. I keep thinking about people that I know and friends and Family who have passed in the last sort of five or six years They would have been like dazzled by this like it's It's the strangest time on earth I'm glad not to miss it Even though it's a fucking pain in the ass You know, it's like this is there's never been one thing in the world that has really truly united every single person in the world Let this You know So it's really interesting and I'm glad to see it And I'm curious about what will come and I'm curious about what all of us as greatest and hardest do Because we're being challenged like we've never been challenged before You know, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And some of us might have been not, you know, some artists might have been uh taking stuff uh for granted and being uh, you know, it wipes out the diva Right away. It's just kind of oh fuck. I can't be a diva during the virus, you know I mean, we are all faceless now when we go outside. We have no faces. There isn't There's nothing right You're a person trying not to get sick or get someone sick like every single other person you have no fucking face anymore you know That's why it's a fascinating concept, you know Um really interesting. So and that's that's a really crazy thing about comedy too Is you use so much of your face while telling the jokes And you're relying on the the audience's faces Besides the laughs The people that are stiff face the people that are kind of been shocked that kind of facial movements It is all part of the rhythm and the the the the things that we need For timing of the bits. So that's pretty wild too Yeah I don't know. We need to become inventors, you know We need to figure out some kind of thing to wear to be behind or to sit inside of or to something like I don't fucking know Uh I found my body condom idea was pretty good that drawing that I put on instagram. I was like, okay, it's clear It's very flexible. You pull that thing down or you can walk you can move around you can touch people Uh, it's kind of hard to be heard, but you could I bet you could scream out of it. I don't know Yeah, but we need to get some like Solid minds on the case Yeah, you're right. You're right. It's like uh John Travolta boy in the plastic bubble That's 70s movie. There's all sudden here. We are living that, you know Yeah, it's wild, you know, it was funny when I first moved into the apartment Sitting there late night. I could hear someone a couple apartments over With the fierce cop and I was all they thought was oh, they got it You know, it was like somebody in this building's got it. I can hear them just crazy coughing So that was making me crazy of like, oh, I can't go out I can't go out of this apartment. And then I was like, is it coming through the heater van? See start going crazy. Oh my god. Well imagine being in new york right now You mean you just recently fairly recently left new york, you know, can you believe that? I mean that's what I was thinking about man You know what you know what it's making me miss new york because I just watch I'm just like the rest of the country. They're doing what they're doing But nowhere has a problem like that and that is just Every morning I wake up And watch that press briefing and read every article and it's like I treat this like new york is everywhere is everything, you know Like and it's they're basically leading the country right now and what to do and how to deal with it and I feel this incredible But I just miss it there so much I miss it so bad. I miss new york on a daily basis anyway because it's like my favorite city in the world But it is just right breaking and it's like it'll be one of the very first things that I do is just go back there and walk the streets I just You know, this is so crazy. That's fucking crazy That was the last I think the last time either the last time we hung out was at the comedy cellar in new york Yeah, or the comedy store one of the two, but we spent a great Yeah, we spent a great night at the cellar You watched some comedy we ate some food We walked around it was It's such a magical city and that and that comedy cellar And the store those are two of the places that I I miss more than anything on the planet They were just my my forts, you know, my true Have you talked to those people like what's going on with? How are they feeling about their business how you know? Well, the comedy cellar and the comedy store Uh, I think one of the great things about That happened with comedy was the massive resurgence of it in the last eight years So the store and the cellar were sold out Two three shows at night Um, so there's probably a good little cushion there Um, I talked to gnome. I did their podcast last week Live with the comedy cellar and here's the same way. He's like, I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen Um, but thank god that they own that place and it's a small small room both those rooms but um You know, I like to me some of my favorite comedy on the planet Is the comedy store original room which holds 189 and the comedy cellar Which I think holds like 110 or something. So I love doing comedy to small audiences Um So I wouldn't have a problem if I just worked at the store and the cellar the rest of my life Yeah, can't make can't make a living that way But I never got into it to make a living that just sort of happened from hard work and uh And then you know But the beauty of just being able to do the fucking art is really what I uh care about the most. Yeah When it were you at with comedy, I know that you love it. I see when you come to the shows Uh, you've been an incredible incredible friend and support of my comedy, which is so great because I love your art so much Do you sit down and watch a lot of comedy? Are you a comedy nerd now or what's going on with that? I mean, I love it dean because I think my favorite thing in the world is laughing I mean, yeah, the best feeling possible. So Yeah, I do. I watch a lot of comedy. I started going to zany's by myself all the time like last year great club great club. It's so cool. It's like so close to me and I just go and Sit by myself and watch whoever's going on, you know, and it's great. Um But yeah, I've watched like every stand-up special on Netflix I don't I don't know tons about comedy. I don't even know where to start. I just know that I love it and I Always enjoy it, you know In your mind, uh, since I played music all my life and then did it Have you ever sat around because you you do multiple forms of art? Have you ever sat around and thought? Maybe I could do this or a spoken word type Henry Rollins story type of tour or anything like that Have you ever thought about that? I have thought about it recently because of that book karma that I put out all that cars and there's a lot of writing in it And that book's coming back out. And so I've been asked a few times what I'd be going to do something like that um, the idea Totally terrifies me. I don't like, you know, you see me play. I don't talk on stage Right, you know, like talk between songs and I just don't I I don't I'm like already kind of into the next thing Or whatever and so I don't know but I did this spoken word record recently. That's not out yet that August for the book and It gave me a lot of ideas because I didn't like straight read it I couldn't I was too boring for me to just straight read the stuff I did lots of voices and characters and sound effects and things and then like was acting out two parts of like scripted stuff and And I thought that's a kind of show I could get down with, you know Where it's more of a performance than it's like me but just I don't know I need something to let get inside of and move around in, you know, um So maybe we'll see again like that comes out in august and when we ever going to get to do something like this so I've been starting to make lots of videos like I'm just like curated like art films for each of these pieces So there's a book and then there's spoken word record and then that's become like a series of films Um, that might be the best I can do at this time, but it's really Uh, inspiring to me and exciting to keep pushing this one project into like every shape and form, you know That I can come up with so I think a cool thing to do would be to get in your, uh challenger And you and I just drive across country kind of like that movie two-way and black top And we stop in these small type of theaters these tetra type of theaters and uh And I just mc your spoken word book fucking, you know when you have a Uh, somebody to spin off of yeah, it really gets it really gets cool. Yeah, I would hey dean I would be And then film that and then film that Yeah, I basically like this weird And we go to places like mazuma montana that theater up there. I think it's Oh, I know almost god. I love that theater. Yeah, you know, we go we go to like You know places like that Backroads like when I ride the Sturges. I take the weirdest fucking scary no man land route And those are those are pretty exciting Things to do because as you're doing that you're writing more for the show too of what's happening on the road Yeah, no it gets to change. It's the same thing when you're touring a record by the time you're done with that tour Three years later man, this song sounds so different. They're like whole new animals Yeah, they get to grow, you know, and that's the thing I say about like the energy of other people That's other people's input That's how they build. That's how they become, you know, what they're supposed to be and it's the coolest thing As you're getting as you're getting older I like to ask people this because it's happened to me over the last five years What music do you listen to now that you absolutely could not stand growing up? to me It was grateful dub and now I think especially in this weird time I I I gravitated towards the dead during the political Conflicts and now with the virus they mean more than ever to me Which is really kind of eaves my nerves, but who who anybody like that for you? um I'm not sure. I feel like i'm discovering older things all the time, you know that maybe I did did did not Work with me when I was like in my full on punk days, you know Now I just really appreciate a very a good song a well-written song That's performed in a way that almost sounds magical, you know Whatever kind of genre of music it is I'm way less picky or way less trying to make it to find my style of who I am who I think I'm supposed to be hanging out with You know that shit just goes away when you get older. You're like, I'm just me now. I'm not trying to like right Figure it out so much. So Um, I don't know. I had a like a thing. I have a bruce springsteen record Nebraska that I listen to all the time, but I would I would never have listened to that when I was a teenager I would have been like this springsteen Which is crazy. That just means I was the dumb shit because yep. Yep. You know what I mean? So it's that it's like allowing just that thing where you had you have this idea about this name or this thing Or this mainstream thing or whatever it is um I had the same thing with a grateful dead A couple of years ago someone told me to listen to some songs or something on like a jukebox And I was like, this is incredible. What is this? And it was a grateful dead and I was like, what? Right, right. You know like in like my instinct was to be embarrassed that I liked it. That's bullshit so You know, it's so high. It's so high school of us, right? It's yeah, but you're like straightened up that way. You're like You know You gotta try to hang on to the street crag, you know, like I fucking got this street crag I grew up with fucking this, you know, it's dumb Yeah, but I could listen to So much of that stuff that I wanted to listen to then now And I find more pleasure in it than listening to whatever that punk band was and I was listening when I was like 12 or 13 That like I I can't even There's some of those records or I'm like, I can't believe I like listen to this over and over and over again It's just like a flat fucking line Where the hell is the song, you know No, not not all applied because there's a lot of bands that I listened to when I was a kid Like Kugazi, which I could just listen to forever Right brilliant They're brilliant, you know, and there was just a lot of other stuff that was just cool It wasn't well, I mean there you are. You got Ian Mackay who who is one of the uh greatest pioneers of uh, the five dollar ticket and the full deep doing yourself and In that flavor, but at the same time he absolutely worshiped Ted Nugent double-eyed gonzo Which is uh an amazing Thing for a punk rocker back in the day to like Ted Nugent, you know, that's arena Well, every one of those guys has like varied wild music tastes. They're like true musicians, you know They understand it all they they're incredible players and conceptualists So it's like yeah, you can't stick yourself in this tiny little box and Only listen to this one type of thing Or this street cred thing and think that you're ever going to grow as a musician or a writer or a performer or anything, you know Um, that's a life learning process. You know what I mean? It's like I think that our minds open up to things as we get older and realize that was I don't know. I mean, maybe that's just all we could handle at this time. Who knows who knows why I think it's pretty common. You know to really hate one thing and really love the other thing There's no room for both, you know, it's like that thing. You're just like trying to define who you are and I don't know But yeah, yeah I hear you bruce was exactly The perfect reference because that was somebody I definitely could not stand And then one day I saw him play the Gusta Tom Jode record from top to bottom and I was like What the fuck am I doing? This is But my brain my brain had to be in the right space And I had to I had to get to brish through the long route of Wilco and Sunvolt and the j-hawks and miscender Williams car wheels on the gravel road I had to take this long route Uh to get there When I got there, I was like, oh That's where these guys are from Yeah, it's wild Yeah, you can't like ingest the entire encyclopedia of music history in one day and just get there You got to get there in your own way, you know Yeah, imagine if we loved all the music when we started we'd be out I wasn't in the born to run in the third grade On that record We're in burrito brothers. I was all over it in sixth grade. They didn't understand me Then I went in to craft work Fuck you, you know You'd be some Craft work, that's when I first heard craft work Was in the sixth grade and I immediately loved it and I knew I was weird in a way of like what is this Yeah, yeah, and I learned it from the the black kids at my camp because they were doing They were popping they were doing the robots all trans Europe Express and we are the robots And they're from oakland and I was like, what the fuck is this shit? I couldn't believe it, you know, so It's wild to think Where you get your Your your who turns you on to what you know, yeah, yeah, it is it's interesting Yeah, again, just it's a lifetime. It takes a lifetime Let's talk about the car buck a little bit We just skimmed over that because we're talking about the spoken word, but you and I absolutely love cars It's so funny like I think at another time either Like we're twins like Or or or we're like Supposed to be together on another planet. Like what are you guys doing? You're the perfect couple But uh Where did your car love start and what was the first kind of car that you fell in love with? Um, well my car love started when I was little because my dad was a used car dealer It's very easy to work out exactly why I am because my mother was an art teacher. My dad was a used car dealer Then you just smash them together and then you get me and um So I grew up around Every day there was a different car in my driveway every day like a different weird fucking car And so I learned a lot about cars just by being around them all the time we're seeing them like really like visually I was very visually simulated by them. I really liked how certain cars looked and Um, I think that became began my whole thing and then of course I just I don't know. I just loved fast cars. So the faster the better The cooler looking the better, you know, and I just don't know I gave them like some sort of romantic hour over me I think and I have such an appreciation for like the design of a car and the engine in a car and the sound of a car and the smell of a car and like the fact that you feel like a superhero or you feel like you're like On an adventure or indestructible when you're in that thing faster than everyone else you can get out of anything It's a it feels makes me feel safe, you know Which is an interesting feeling that you feel safe in the middle of an adrenaline rush. It's like a Wild combination. So I always loved cars, but then, you know, my first cars I ever drove were tour vans This is a big ass clunky fucking cars with like a killer. It's not like you're like Any speed records? Um, I had a couple of little Toyotas when I was first learning to drive they weren't very fast, but they were pretty cool looking and um And then I moved to England and I didn't have a car for like 13 years Right and the reason I moved back to America Literally the top reason Was because I wanted a Dodge Challenger And I wanted the garage to put it in And I just I bought the car before I bought the house But I like ordered the car before I bought the house and then I found the house I had the garage that the car would go inside of it's like I bought my car a house That's what I yeah I love it so much and the reason I'm so obsessed with challengers is because of that movie vanishing point Awesome that movie when I watched it. I just fell in love and I watched it again and again And I just stared at that car. I mean that whole movie is like two hours of a car chase Didn't know what what other concept do you fucking need? It's brilliant. It's perfect Perfect. Have you ever seen have you ever seen two lane block tall? I have and I love it. Yeah I think I think it's one of the greatest beef films ever fucking made. Yeah, it's awesome Oh my god, and then death proof man. Tatiana. You did a good job of Of showing fucking love towards that genre, you know, yeah Yeah, absolutely But I won't watch any movie with any car in it that's going fast Like you got me. I'm sold. I'll watch it. I'll see I'll watch it. Um, no I do love it and I love I love driving like the way like the way driving is filmed I don't know why I'm just so into that. I just oh, yeah, I love it Um, you know, and I love being I think there's like a creative thing where it's like it does something to my brain I like I write in my car a lot. So I used to start back in the day. It was like really dangerous. I had like a notepad and a pen, you know This is like before phones and uh little mini recorders I was just like literally driving and writing at the same time and practically crashing And I finally invested in a little tiny handheld, you know tape recorder That that made me a safer driver. I would say um Because my brain just it's like so fast when I'm in the car. So it like It sort of really focuses and I come up with lots of ideas and I think it's that like moving Like just that constant moving like all this stuff blurring beside me gets me like really hyper focused and um I don't know. I've always just found it the most relaxing and inspiring situation so I was the same way on the motorcycles, you know, because You have your brain has to constantly be paying the fucking 10 attention So when I'm on stage Uh, I I can just deliver stuff lightning speed because that's the moves I make on the freeway Oh, fuck a ladder. Oh, shit an old tire. This guy's coming in my lane all that shit That's how I would deal with comedy as far as like, oh this fucking guy's talking This person's sleeping that one fucking, you know, whatever And you you learn your brain and that's how you are on stage you yourself it's constant movement of You know getting out of the way and uh and and and just Feeling it. That's when you drive. You're feeling it. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it's really it's really interesting. I don't know what that is, but it's great It's like it's some other second nature kicks in and it moves way faster than you on a normal day It just moves at a different speed And you know, I noticed that on stage where I'm like How do I have like this incredible balance? I don't have that normally, you know, like just walk around or but then suddenly I have incredible balance It's like I'm not thinking about it. I don't have time to think about it. It just works It just goes and some I'm here and then suddenly how the fuck did I get over there? I don't know. I'm over there. Well, how am I to get on top of that thing? I don't remember Making that choice. He just just I went, you know, and it's really cool. So yeah There's something about that that is really awesome I hear you're an incredible live performer. Oh my god. I remember the first time I saw it. I was like Oh, what the fuck? This is on You know, it was on was that the L. Ray And I was up in the balcony up there in the VIP land and um, you came out and it was just fucking Take some fucking names You know Take some names. I love it I love it. Let me ask you. You're in Nashville I've spent quite a bit of time in the last one of the few years in Nashville and I just I really love it My good friends live out there jay Buchanan from the rival suns one of my favorite humans And marcus king is out in East Nashville And you're in this big kind of music mecca. Have you ever thought of doing yourself? kind of a Lucinda type Alt country, maybe burrito brothers Uh, you know towns vans and type of record yourself Um, yes, because I write like that all the time. So maybe maybe someday. It's funny It's like I kind of it's like it's so focused on the kills and that's what I'm doing But that record is already written You know, I already have that and it's been so fun with these last two singles the other one that's coming out on May March May 13 Yeah, May 13. Yeah both of the songs are songs that Well, the one the second one is one I wrote last year, but it totally kind of falls into that category, you know I write a lot of slow songs with strong melodies and They're kind of they're sort of straight and then I have to weird them out, you know But it's just like here's the song. This is the song now. How do you want to like? But but I am so many of those and I always like to find a real The right home for them. Um, because a lot of that stuff doesn't work with the kills It would really not work with the dead weather and you can always try it You can always change it so much that it kind of does but you don't really want to Fuck up a song that's to make it fit. You know what I mean? It's like there'll be a home someday So, yeah, maybe one day I'll do it but um Right now. I mean, yeah like like to me I think the back has the ultimate career because he Didn't box himself in and you didn't back to something because all the projects sound different But it goes from let's say ot away to sea changes and and you're just like Whoa, I fucking love sea changes more than anything. He's done, you know And I don't wait all the way as far as hell to and and his newest record is insane. So What a what a what a great? And you have to not have fear This is what I always uh get down on Classic rock bands as much as I love them They they stop pushing themselves somewhere along the way where they just go out and they pay the same 15 songs because they're like well the fans don't want to hear the deep tracks and I just I'm like, but what about you? I know Yeah, what about you? I would lose my mind. Oh, like You know, I have a hard time The only thing I have the problem with comedy is After six months I'm done with the stuff And most people kind of refine it for a year or two and then tape it and put it out but To me part of the journey Most of it is the mining for gold To finding something there's gotta be a better song. There's gotta be a better melody. There's gotta be a better lyric There's gotta be a better fucking joke Yeah, let's find that And and and if the audience goes away Fine That's my favorite part of the beastie boys movie They said we hated who we became on license to L We put paul's boutique out It kind of the audience disappeared, of course, which was genius. It might it wiped the slate of the frat rockers And then by the time they put check the head out check your head out They're playing clubs, but they said something there that was great to go We're playing in front of 200 people that we wanted to hang out with Yeah, and that's all you really want in art is other people. That's why I love Going to a long dinner with you And friends and we go from leather jackets To fucking music to paintings to comedy to cars to architecture to life Yeah, you know, yeah It's it's it's really wild. Let's let's talk before I know you got to get out of here But let's talk real quick about these singles. What are they? Is a record solo record coming out or you just dropped in singles You did one with a video that was fucking smoking with the low riders God, I I cannot tell you How much of a low rider addict I was About 30 years ago. I fell in love with the 65 in paula. Everybody else likes the 64 because that's the dr. Dre ice cube I love the 65. It's the fastback not convertible with the three tail lights in the back the 396 my buddy had it with the Four on the floor man with the console. I was a low rider fucking addict Then I fell in love with mr. Cartoon Low rider bikes the whole fucking thing man So let's talk about the video and these songs. All right, so these these are just tracks going out They're not the rise was the first song And I wrote it for a tv show actually but I wrote it in 2013 and then somebody Needed a certain type of song for this tv show so I knew that it was Exactly what they needed and I I sent him that song Which was just a like an acoustic demo at the time and they ended up using it and then they ended up asking We could record it properly to do my version of it. Like how do I see the song? You know, so it's pumped to be able to actually record it how I wanted to Um, and then the record label up didn't put it out. So there is no game plan. There's no like record That's hanging in the background that I'm gonna surprise everyone with But the second song is a song. So okay, so we'll talk about the music video Songs coming out label get in touch with me. We're in lockdown. They're like me in a music video I'm like, well, great. I can't work with anybody. You know, I'm at home Right the only footage I had on my video camera was of those low riders that like A week and a half before I had been in LA and I went to one of those like Low rider cruises on a Friday night, which are legal and they just like name a spot and people go Right, where was it? It was like somewhere in East LA. I can't even remember. I mean like literally I was like Is this next to in jail? It was somewhere weird. It was it was just nowhere, you know, right? Um, and it was so incredible. It was just insane I talked to everybody like people wanted to tell the stories about the cars and the families and the histories and Showing me all the details and I mean, I was in heaven Dean. I was totally in heaven. So I filmed all the stuff And then I came back and I'm like, okay, all I have is that but it's actually perfect for the song so Then I shot myself in my house singing this song a few times and then spent the next four days like Teaching myself iMovie how the fuck this work. Holy shit That was a really fun slash nightmare experience Right, and then um, but it was great Then I had a music video and like I just made it and I made it for like zero dollars, you know, and I was pretty stoked And then the second song is called it ain't water Which I wrote late last year and reported early this year with alan yohannes Who's the guy that's like produced Queens of the Stone Age and PJ Hartley and mark lannigan and like Basically like the list of my favorite musicians, you know, so I was so excited to work with him And I recorded that in a couple days and I'll lay with him and then Yeah, and then I got out of there and I was here. So then I made a music video for that too, which I can't wait for you to see No, I can't wait. I can't wait. No, I'm obsessed with making music videos And that's all I'm gonna be doing in lockdown basically just writing music just so I could make the video I think that's my new angle Well, that's what I love about this era It's forcing us like I didn't know how to podcast Eight and a half years ago, and I've been in music all my life. I was just an idiot. I was like, oh, that's gotta be hard You put it into pro tools or garage band and then what like an idiot like what do you mean? I've been behind a 24 track board dropping in over dubs twice in tape For most of my life and I'm acting like that's scary, but it's actually kind of lazy too And once I learned to podcast on my own the freedom I have Toyota four-runner the freedom And now look at you. You're going to make it. You made another video And then it's like the next thing we're going to shoot us a short film of us in the car cross country Worth that you know what I'm saying? Yeah And and and when you're wearing that shit, it really takes off the shackles And you don't have to answer to anybody That's my only thing I hate in life in art is when you go, hey dude, can you come by and do this? They go, well, I'm kind of swamped right now and you're like, but that's frustrating because the way our minds work Is we do not have Downtown. Yeah, it's like let's go now and they're like, well, I got kids and I got to teach them some stuff home school and you're like You know So next thing I'm looking forward to your your film project, you know, like right now I mean, it's gonna be tons of little short films But I'm getting so obsessed with them because I'm like there ain't no fucking rules now Like I was gonna do whatever the hell comes to me as weird as it gets whatever it is like I'm thinking it out as I go and it's really kind of saving me right now You know to sort of discover this new thing and to sort of tackle this Tackle these new problems. I've never You know, I'm doing this so I'm having a good time doing it. I'm not mad about it No, I think I think the thing to learn right now and this is really what I should be doing is learn how to animate because Animation is going to be bigger than ever since we can't get together and shoot tv shows You can't be on a set with 50 100 people 200 people It's going to be about animated shows. We're going to see more Animated series in the next two years than you've ever fucking seen and right now We've got great ones like bill burrs epis for family and dunk and trussell has a brand new one out on On netflix work and this new acid show coming out this week where the animated people rock stars telling acid stories right Animation because all of us can do the voices in our house. We're going around somebody's on a computer making the animation And you've got a goddamn tv show or a video or anything. So Yeah, I think that's going to be something I should really learn I don't know if you ever saw montage of heck the The curcovane movie. Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah The animation in that film is to me some of the greatest animation I've ever seen Very way they Oh God Yeah, right now I don't know how to do it and I'm dying to animate like 10 minute stories from each 512 episodes of for this podcast I have like alice in mazark tells the story of Seeing the low riders and then we animate it with these animated low riders and you know, I feel like this is cool You know, yeah, that kind of shit little snippets five minute stories Yeah, well, you can go ahead just start start with like stop motion where you could do I mean you say you can't draw but you could take like cut out a picture of a low rider Take a photo of it twist it take another photo of it twist it take another foot of it twist it Taking that so you just have a go world world. You put it in order You can just like I mean you can get real fucking punk fanzine on this. It would be cool. Yeah. Yeah Clay nation is my claimation. You're just like using clay all day in your house On the new gumby on the new gumby And instead of pokey, I got back in a french bulldog Yeah Gumby and yokey Yokey Guys the limit Do you got a dog? Yeah, there's a dog here. Yeah cash. He's running around. I keep looking around. I keep seeing him in the yard Just zooming by I want a dog. This makes me want a dog these times more than anything Yeah, it's a good time to to get a dog do it. It is I know I know what I gotta get out of smoke. I I don't want the dog be getting secondhand smoke My french boy over there just going. Hey, dude. I can barely breathe already Around these goddamn cigarettes You know what I mean? You know french boy around cigarettes just You imagine smokers bark. Yeah. Yeah My neighbor's got a french bully named boris and I walk by every day and I see it. Hey boys He hates me because I got a mask on you know Yeah, he doesn't he's scared of the mask Dogs are gonna be confused about that for sure. They're not gonna like it. I don't think they're like they're all Yeah, well Listen, I love you more than uh anything I could talk to you for hours and and we have talked for hours and I I just I can't thank you enough for doing the podcast I'm so happy. I'm glad you're doing it Oh my god I'm telling you when you did it it was a game changer because I was locked into the people I knew from my past but I loved all this other music And I didn't know the people so to finally get you on It really opened the door. I believed this For like josh hami and all these other guys that I loved, you know, yeah Which is which is amazing and I cannot thank you enough for doing that. Oh, you're so welcome. It's always my pleasure always I still love that photo of you at the comedy store sitting next to my name signed on the law Because it just means so much to me being a paid regular at that club and then you coming to see me do comedy And I didn't care about anyone else laughing, but you Yeah, it's always awesome to see you work. It's so great. It's the best. I can't wait for the next time Let's just hope it's not too long from now Okay, let's tell everybody you got you got the single coming out on the 13th. What's the date today the third? Second today. So the second so a week away Yeah, you have the spoken word record and the the uh car photo book read issued, right? Yeah in august on third man Third man god still still jack white dream guest of mine still dream guests mostly Mostly because I know he's a lot like uh for me john mayor john mayron and we went fucking everywhere or with you With you we went everywhere, you know My favorite story still is when dead weather we're doing the The record listening private record listening for the fans and they didn't let phones in there And you knew everybody wanted a photo So you hired people with colloid cameras to get photos with everybody in this small listening party Which was such a great fucking idea. I'm in jack white man. I'm sitting there and I go Hey, let's get a photo and he goes. Okay, cool. And it's one of my favorites ever the guy shoots it over exposed And it's just two blasted white faces And I showed him. I go. Hey, can we get another one? This didn't come out of you guys. Nah, that one's perfect And he was right It's so much fucking funnier to have that on my mantle and people go, what's that photo? Oh, that's me and jack white And you're like, no, right? They probably make a line It's so fucking funny that I thought about making it my comedy record The cover of my album is just this blown out white thing of me and jack white You know what I mean? If I gave her a comedy record at third man, it would just be that Okay, so singles out the 13th uh instagram is alice and moss heart, right? No, it's a moss heart just a moss heart right and then um And then uh, the kills record you're gonna start recording that hopefully oh real quick. Who's producing it? Secret. Oh, no. Yeah, I don't know We'll make those decisions when we get closer We've got about half the songs right now and I know jamie's sitting on a bunch. She hasn't played me So I don't know how close we are but hopefully Definitely by the end of the year it should be recorded if we're not