 Well, off we go public Yo, that's I'm now sick making me giggle I think if you have no context for the show Music what is that in your head trying to In your head try and think of a scenario that brought this into a Yeah, show like what the fuck is this I prompt you won't guess you'd never guess in a thousand years No, if you haven't seen the show It really ever since you said you look like golem I caught up to see it. It's like a temporary golem What's interesting, too, is that this was set up earlier in the Like someone, you know receiving that kind of a thing that made him do that Um You mean when the orc was stabbed to the foot Yeah, it was set up time. Yeah, it's the same second time Big late, I don't know what you mean though considering we likely are kind of kind of late Why don't we just get started immediately? I'm not even gonna do intros. I'm sure. Hey, you know, it's okay. No, we are I am For it. No, no, no, no the other one Your name is mixed up. Jeez. God. I'm I'm Shad No Damn it. I'm it's it's tough. It's tough Everyone you the people you that's thing it people use it more than I do so I keep forgetting It shows it wait. It's not live. Oh Says waiting It's not possible. Don't worry. It doesn't really change much of it It'll be fine on the reupload. I was curious why chat was like a couple of messages like we happen All right, there you go God damn it. Oh, and I guess quick update. I Played school. I'm so did rags. So did metal. We all had very similar feelings about it We do we stand united. We're very we're very very divided on many things, of course Yes, of course politics, religion, philosophy Cheese absolutely But on this on scorn we are we stand united You may just be getting a Secret bonus if have episode relating to scorn you might oh my goodness But yes, here we are and we will likely just kick on with doing the whole hey this show It's a thing because we got two rather large episodes to talk about unfortunate They just kept releasing them until they called what was a season was released apparently. I don't know whether to trust That's what actually happened because the events were so You'd you'd call like the majority of the significant things that happened were all at the end I guess in like episodes six and eight if If one was to call those events significant compared to the others I suppose I think not coincidentally those are probably the two worst episodes as well Yeah, you start off at the beginning moaning that nothing is happening and then they make stuff happen and somehow Somehow that's worse. Oh, let me ins you If season two is just all them walking around talking and doing nothing else It would probably be an improvement. They might just score a solid two and they do They've said what was the comments I think one of the issues that people have is that talking it's about big world altering events And you just didn't get that in this series. So that's what we need to change. Is it what wow? So yeah, I might the fate of the world will be next season. I do like that You know, we're gonna take on some criticism. We're not gonna listen to any of it But we'll make random changes that we feel are important Oh They felt things things were felt in the making of this series I've heard Galadriel by adding a bow and arrow in season two and she's gonna feel cool with it Wow, more things for her to be very cool with yay It was the one thing that she was missing as a character was ranged weaponry There is God. There is the boomer. He will be here at an undisclosed time You know how this works will be here for like 10 billion years. So as long as he's there for one of them Pretty well, yeah, he's just he's the wizard and the show and he's just stumbling around what right? He can't speak he's eating snails raw crunchy whole thing, but maybe shelling all So yeah, if we're gonna get started up we're going back to episode seven all the way back Lost you saw us a big volcano pyroclastic flow annihilated literally everyone and everything Yeah Unfortunately, you might yeah Unfortunately, the show didn't end there and we got final credits. Yeah, this this right here is Galadriel look. She's doing okay I might be like why I? Got nothing for you. Nobody does the whole internet doesn't nobody understands this everyone is very confused Can't explain it can't Rationalize it you might think that that sort of thing might you know vaporize a person well Galadriel is too cool for school Well, they do make sure to show us that all the buildings got annihilated, but as you are well And I'm not a scientist I assumed the burning point for like wood and stone was a little bit higher than for hair for example incorrect Not elvish and not elvish hair elvish hair is or indeed human hair Given that all the humans all the plot relevant humans are also still alive Although horses do get set on fire at a lower temperature Random But I was expecting at the start of this just some BS excuse that didn't make any sense But I expected them to at least have a go and they don't even know when talks about it ever At least when when doomsday when he set off his mega nuke Flemetisms in the Snyder movie at least Batman like took cover under a rock even though Hey, at least they sort of knew like the Snyder knew to show that we have to show him Everyone in the basement or something onto the pub you could have tried they could They didn't try they forced us to be in this world where This shit happens unfortunate, but hey Yeah, yeah destroys buildings turns the roofs to cinders It covers everything in ash and there's random fires everywhere But if you're outside standing and you just take it all to the face, then you're all good really They show us that some people have died from this like how how Directly by the fucking meteors yeah, I think stuff fell on them there's probably direct damage It can't yeah Well it can't be to do with the volcano has to be someone else like a different thing that killed them You find out in the next episode like there's only one boat and human Orients going back So presumably loads of them died to the volcano because they died in that tiny little fight Once and got wiped out by It would have been events as a result of the pyroclastic flow couldn't have been low It could have been the flow itself because we saw that doesn't do But what's weird is it coats her in like ash Yeah, Geodust as I remember as was very like oh it did that okay Flaming hot cheeto dust. It's not in the air though. It doesn't affect anyone's breathing. No He is just purely aesthetic Volcano law from Dante's peak with Piers Brosnan and I'm pretty sure that breathing in volcanic dust is not good for you But no one no one drowns of it, which is a bit of a shame I kind of just imagine as the you know The big pyroclastic flow was coming towards and all the new and orange turned around and sort of stared at it And they thought shit does my character have a name and all the people without names were terrified because they were fucked But everyone who you know at least oh shit. Well, at least I've got a name. There's a chance. I might survive this I have no idea what the show wanted me to think like about any of this It's oh well of this volcanic eruption Like what you would presume would actually happen This is what this is one of your like it's it's that low point without I guess that's what it's trying to be like this is our oh no moment This is our things aren't done after all, you know, they're still so more to there's still still so much more to do Our victory was robbed from us. Our horses are on fire. Oh my god. It's madness absolute madness They had this slow mo And it would and then they had the weird music things with a horse on fire We had the random wailing we get to that but we like you could tell it's so Transparent with how they wanted this to think and feel they knew everything to do You know to try and make this like that the oh no kind of moment There's really funny fire horse by the way I think it was it's hilarious that there was they put a horse on fire and it just runs past her doesn't even Yeah, because it's only a really specific strip of its back that's burning and not the rest of it so either like there's a specific part of a horse which is more flammable than the rest of the horse or It was a guy on top of it drinking wine and he was like oh my god Yeah, it's not pressurized so it won't like explode like if it's in a cask or something it'll just burn You know the vehemently But maybe the show is aware of the whole fire horse meme where you say that about films that are good And they're like we better put a fire horse in Don't know otherwise might mistake our brilliant show for something less than that Is so casual the horse like hey, you're like oh wow that looks yeah, you're okay bed Okay, and then the last episode They went to such effort to show you that when a horse fell over it was perfectly fine They don't care about this one at all. Yeah, that is true This one will be fine. We'll see you later Okay, I'm gonna pat him down someone will just take a bucket and yeah Glad your looks all around who where she is and there are several dead people and it's like oh, I guess they got hit by a You know bullets from some of the volcanoes guns that I dodged or something. I don't know I Actually assumed they died to the orcs and just got covered in some ash I didn't know they were meant to be killed by the flow Well, they had the party remember they had the party in town and they were having a good time So they would have taken all the bodies away. Oh, yeah The show never they never had that moment of oh like people have died like yeah We were victorious today, but like we're peasants and farmers and stuff and my lifelong friends Some of them died and the horribly from orcs like this. There's no funeral for anybody There's no like just remember let's remember them we'll lift up a cup and we'll you know give them a toast None of that. They're just having a great time all as well in that building just to the right I used to be a house look at it now, and it's like meters away from where she was What happened to it that didn't happen to her how what I have a question my question is why don't they make houses out of elves? Exactly your dead elves need to be made buildings. They're very strong They made houses out of elves not even dead ones. They just stand around and hold hands, you know and everything just line up It is I mean there you go You know the employment problems solved And they indestructible So she's wandering around and she's like a lend deal a hull brand my friend owes And she just chooses to ignore the screams of a woman and a baby That was weird. I don't know why that's strange You didn't have to make it that way, but you chose to show Okay You think in a baby crying would be something of an alarming thing in the middle of this situation to a point If you want to go help but you know she's busy. She's gonna go find Hall brand A good character Generally would uh, yeah Is she meant to be a good character though like is has she done anything which is morally the show thinks she's very good I think but the reality is no she's quite selfish Arrogant and driven entirely by her passion to want to execute things that seems to be all she doesn't help people Anyone in trouble. She's just she was she's left loads of people in trouble before as well. So yeah, this isn't you But the only strange world where we're in universe morality and out universe morality have an inverse correlation to each other If they have a relationship at all So like this isn't the first example of it But it is a very good example of where the show clearly thinks that its main character is a paragon and in the real world She would be Something slightly below Hitler, but the show's morality determines otherwise I can believe that um the people who made this have no idea how evil she comes across a lot of the time There is a That that article that I put in our little chat here on one way the rings of power out does the Lord of the Rings movies that slate thing And what is what is that way? It's it's a female empowerment mostly, uh-huh So yeah, what's interesting is that very very poorly received article and uh, I'll cover it later, but This interestingly was in the comments. The comments are horrifically negative Uh, and that was specifically pointed out in the comments as well regarding Galatriel Um, you maker seem like a really Remember when you're writing characters, it's not just what you have them do that Characterizes them. It's the things that they don't do And if you're in a village and you hear babies crying and people, you know calling out for help and you don't Help them and instead you just sort of wander off into the woods That might impact your character, especially if you've been around for like six trillion years old And you're some general who's commanded armies and warfare is supposedly something that you're just used to I don't know how much I should think that this is a shock to you um Whenever I see an elf Shocked, I suppose are super surprised about something. There is that element of me. I don't know Should anything surprise you at this point? You've been alive for a thousand fucking years It's also probably not a good idea to juxtapose it so quickly because at the same You know, I think the next scene after galadriel goes around refusing to help anyone except a main character The next scene has one of the new menorian soldiers going around doing what galadriel should have been doing And they're in roughly equivalent positions as commanders of armies with experience And she goes around looking for her dead soldiers and trying to help the civilians While galadriel, she's like, oh, well, I found the kid who's important to the plot. So we're off now and Is he even important to anything? Why I think I'm gonna make him people isn't in the future galadriel just casually bumps into theo and decides You and I will go on a private adventure in the woods And it's like what this people to this screaming there is actively screaming from people who need help What what is good? I didn't understand that at all. I thought like I'd missed something like is Did she need to protect theo because he is the the one or something I I was so lost with that The actual reason is that late like he's supposed to be sort of her mirror So by talking to him she realizes her own flaws and oh, I've got to put down the sword and stuff I've got to let all this go So literally they needed the two of them alone so they could have these kind of emotional conversations That was the end points. They they didn't even think how they could get there and responsibly They're just this needs to happen. So Coincidentally, it's happened. I just remember thinking like oh, oh several scenes of these two like But then again, it's like, you know, what characters do you want to see it? It's like, I don't know They really They really just wander off Yeah, yeah Yeah, there is people screaming as they're walking off. Yeah, it pans over There are two meters to the right of them is a man screaming on fire And he's trying to get from underneath some kind of like that is absolutely unreal that they would show this to us How long has he been burning for? Like how much time has passed since that has he just Least medium You going you got you going. Okay. Yeah guys, please. Please. Please. We grew up together. You know me. Oh, no Oh, no, you're taking you're taking the elf bitch with you to the woods. You're not going to the woods. Are you any help? Please help me. It's so weird that because we are We then panning a little bit further And we're off to already like the other characters the other main characters You got a seal door his friendo and the queen and it's like wait So glad you was right next to them at one point, but she just wanders off into the woods They both do they just logistically speaking like this part is bizarre because you might be thinking well Wait, how is this sealed or here? Where's elendil? They were together. Were they it's like that's a great question Keep that in mind for later because we reset between episodes. We shuffled the board. You are where you are Yeah, uh, that's the way of things. I guess it is quite literally that they shove people in places They really shouldn't be um, oh and guy died the guy, uh, who was like, oh man Yeah guy from the from place. He was one of the friendo guy He had a few lines of dialogue and now he's gone. He was really, uh, sad Because he wasn't yeah He wanted to go and do other things but now Mount doom has robbed him of the chance to do that dawn I'm gonna miss guy Anyway, uh one less mouth to feed. Yeah So the queen is like guys come on. There's there's a bunch of innocent people trapped in this house And then they're like, ah help us. We're trapped in this house. Ah, and they're all screaming and our heroes Electively try and get them all out of there and I guess in conclusion All of the innocent people are saved but his seal door is the whole house falls on him because A stone was part of the stone like chimney Displaces it just fell over or something Yeah, it's like yeah He fires out of the door by he's holding a big massive pillar And he just pushes it towards her slightly and she flies out of that door. It's been shot by a cannon And what are these body cards doing letting the queen Go into a burning building when their only job is to protect the queen. Do you understand? She's very Very selfless. Okay. She's not like galadriel She at least cares more with about people than galadriel does she gets fucking rewarded for it Yeah, we'll see what happens to people who try to save each other Yeah, so he gets a building fall on him and everyone's very sad and we Presumed dead, which is which is an odd choice. We talked to this before We're going to put certain characters in peril He sealed door is one of the ones where you don't really want to bait him for being dead for several episodes. It's like, well Can they kill him? No, no, no, here's what here's why I ask if you're amazon and you just like can you like kill him They killed celiborn, right? Well, that's what we are led to believe is that he is dead The only reason I would say hang on is that well, would you put it past them? That's pretty much these two episodes. I wouldn't put it past them They could have him have another kid and call him a seal door It seems like the sort of thing where they just might be like, yeah, we're We're doing our own thing. We're killing a sildur. It's gonna be it's probably gonna be some very strong independent woman And she's not gonna be like other of the other girls, of course And she's gonna get the ring But she's not gonna get like corrupted by it and instead it'll be like an opposite is sildur story um But I I don't know but I was thinking like they might have fucking killed him It's the kind of nonsense they would do but there is a horse related reason later, which suggests that I would also go first saying um Even caliborn might they might bring him back I imagine they will bring it Well, how can they not bring it back if you know that they're nicking lines whole tale from the jackson films And they're calling forward to the jackson films all the time You can't you can't kill off a character who appears in the films that you're claiming are yours Because the writers are following their nose That smells shit. Let's go down that way was that was caliborn one of the three ring bearers Uh for the elves or was it no, he's um, so glad you have won gandalf has won And um Is it uh, is it legolas his dad has won or did they move maybe caliborn does get one in the end? I don't know but he has to be alive because he is with gladrile as the first time we see her He is kind of Lines and everything in the film. He's the king of us. Oh elrond has the third is it? If they want to go full soap opera, they'll have her fall for sarron After they find out and then that's when caliborn will come back after they're together And you get the east end is drumbeat at the end. Yeah comes into the wedding It'll be great. Just think of the worst story they could do. It's what they're gonna do So, um, yeah the whole thing falls apart and we get this quick shot of muriel getting splashed by some ash in her eyes and she's like That'll play into something a little later that That's not gonna be able to handle it. It's such a Right, it is. You might be thinking everyone would be just covered in ash a super hot ash, but Already well, if you remember who dad said if you go to midlith all you will find is darkness Get it No, because she only sees gray. Oh That's close enough the dark gray So if her father knew that that was gonna happen Why didn't he just say like worn actually worn her well It's because he's a vegetable and the plot can't have him do that yet They literally would not have a man Ordering a woman around that they want to empower I don't it's not even that it's just a case of well If he'd had one of his weird lucid moments from his apparent Alzheimer's At a convenient moment, then you couldn't have had the plot happen So he has to be vague and asleep for the bit where it would have been important for him to say something And then he will give the revelation to some random chick later on I gotta say to his daughter though that you'll head into a house trying to save somebody and then you'll get blinded Watch out for that. She's oh She go there a volcano would have erupt and you will almost die don't go and she might have changed her mind So we wouldn't have had a story On my on my current tier list of old bedridden kings. He ranks fairly low Yes It's currently it's not a very big list, but he's at the bottom of it right now He's right at the bottom. Yeah, right at the bottom He's second by a considerable margin Going to chat said the hills have half-hearts that's up Yeah, the cannibalism the yeah, so Um, the migration is complete. They have reached the the glade. I think they they said we just got wonderful orchids in it And they're just gonna be fed forever. Woohoo. Our our team catches up with them. They didn't die. How wonderful Unfortunately The eruption sent a couple of comets over here and destroyed all of the glade The odds the odds How far is the eruption spreading? How far away are you from Mordor? I just I like to think of like a heat map of where the pieces of the volcano landed And they're just like there's just this one big one for where they are And it's there's nothing else for absolute miles like yeah, we got unlucky on this one If the debris is getting said so far that it's reaching all the way out here Then all the people who were right next to Mount Doom could literally see it. You're done. It's over You should be over in this scene in the show happened I was reminded of something else that some of you might have you know discarded from your memory But you remember in the first Wonder Woman movie how that village gets hit by the castle's artillery Oh, yeah, that's poison with a gas and then and then it shocked us because like wait wait That was within canon range the whole time and they just springed that on you it reminded me of that Where all of a sudden i'm calling into question once again just just Basic locate basic space. Where is everyone? Which is a problem that the show has had throughout its entirety where people are and how they can get places They're just sort of there. There's no sense of an actual journey for and that any characters need to take Everything is right next door to everything else and journeys are effortless and instant Place and time has been a persistent problem in this show because this is Right like this has to be Like in terms of a timeline now we've got a lineup. This has happened Pretty close to what happened with uh galadriel and numin and the numinorians and everything pretty sure if you can pay the start of the comet with the Eruption of the volcano again from the half-foot to the southlanders. It wouldn't make any sense at all like I don't see how it could because the southland plot line would last a couple days, right? While the half-foot's are doing like weeks Exactly what it has to be weeks, right? This migration Yeah, some people put out a chat like didn't talk it like right full-on maps of this like yeah, fuck that Show maps in this show. They actually do Went to great lengths to figure these things out It it's a good thing to do because you need to know like okay. How long does it take to get to from a to b Oh, that takes this long. Okay. That's important It's an attention to detail that makes the world feel real and lived in and it may not It makes writing. I don't know if it's detail. It seems so basic Like you have to know where things are Well, I think it would be dependent on you. It could be hyper detailed. It could be relatively simple, but um Pretty sure Tolkien was very detailed, right? It was incredibly detailed the amount of notes that he made and maps and the the efforts and lengths he went to Is To make maps Yeah, maybe He's like people will think i'm crazy if I just draw these random maps Oh, I guess I'd better write like a story or something for us Like Paula said actually sitting down and figuring these things out place time How long it takes to get to places it just makes it easier to have all these variables. It's easier to juggle everything Yeah, like down the line You'll be thankful you have all this information Set out because you do answer your questions really quickly Yeah, it's a good shorthand reference point So if you're name dropping places for example What you really need to do is give people and you've not been to those places in narrative yet You need to give people some kind of key To allow them to interpret it or to have at least a vague sense of where it's placed in the world Or who lives there or what relationship it has with the place your protagonists currently are And so you see that through the fellowship of the ring which has you know, it's a very linear narrative But it drops in the names and places that become relevant when the when the narrative splits up in the two towers So you've already heard of Rohan and you've probably already seen the map as well If you've read the books before you actually get to Rohan proper in the two towers Same thing with you know, when you split it off to ice and guard you hear mention of gondor You know about gondor and you know where it is on the map in relation to Mordor If you've been reading the books or you've watched the film which again has the maps included All of this stuff's just really useful for the audience because it actually minimizes the amount of exposition you need to do and rings of power sort of It sort of understood that in episodes one and two when it was still doing those indiana joints map style sequences But it then shoots itself in the foot because it's given people An idea of place and distance and then it's promptly gone and forgot about that itself But the audience if they're paying attention will think well How many thousands of miles were the half-hearts actually walking on their little sing-song journey? And how close are they now to to what is now Mordor or will soon be called Mordor? And if they are that close to it that the volcano can hit them Why could they not see the volcanic eruption? Why could they not notice it in the distance? Yeah, yeah In return of the king you can see mount doom from ministerith, which is quite a long way away And I think the map sequence for the half-hearts puts them not too far North of the mountain range the northern mountain range bordering Mordor So they should have noticed something before the weird random fiery rocks conveniently went and destroyed their orchard If you didn't know like what lord of the rings was and this was your first exposure to it There's no way that you would understand like any sense. It's all uphill from here Let's go if someone was like I really like this. I'll check out those peter jackson fit. Whoa This is way better. I was so wrong to like the other thing The weird thing Lenny Henry during this part says That he's in his books. It's written down that those volcanic mountains They've done this before and they do it when evil rises. So that same volcano has gone up multiple times every time Um Evil rises in the first place and yet none of the southlanders are even worried about this is volcano Everyone seems amazed that volcano has even gone on over in the first place And it had to be falsely exploded with water rather than just Normally happen. So do all the evil in the past do the same thing. Is this a plan which has been repeated multiple times? It just goes on for a while Yeah, so many more questions because it also caused into question time as well because he mentions that it was it Grandfather's grandfather or his grandfather said hundreds of years ago The story was told that there were mountains in the south that would spit fire But they go to sleep. They only rise when there's a great evil which Again that that makes you say well We were how long how long were we told in the opening monologue had passed since morgoth was defeated Does that actually align with the timeline? We're being hinted at because they're trying to give Lenny Henry portentous lines um I don't think that quite lines up either and then if if the volcanoes periodically did go up Why is well? I know I guess that being a relatively verdant plane makes a bit of sense But the all they wanted to do was just to give him this portentous line to tie in that narrative However, superficially with the grander events of the story But in so doing they just invited loads more questions that they're not actually going to bother answering some when he said it he's like Volcano Evil just like shut the fuck up. You don't know anything like you're just some He just like assumes so much shit and Don't forget like he's he's along with everyone else in terms of ditching everybody He was happy to Join in blaming the tall guy for all their problems He's like, oh now it's the volcano. That means this evil Like god, I would hate to be a part of these people It gets so fast. I do wonder everything like you get tired of it I do wonder whether he just makes stuff up because in the bit where he's healing the tree They ask what's going on and he's like well He's just using little words so that the trees understand I mean you you literally just BS yourself through that. Is that how he's the leader? I don't know whether it's bad writing or that's his character We're supposed to figure out that he's just a fucking charlatan just lies all the time But there's no way to just prove him. So he's just like I'm a genius There was never like paths to find our heroes I'm just wondering around So this is really weird sequence because they zoom out at one point and it's like, oh, I see there's about I'd say 10 trees and it looks like four of them Maybe five have been struck so hard. They're like, you know worthless now And everyone here keeps picking fruit off the dead trees and putting it in the little baskets It's what the fuck are you guys doing? You can't eat that And they're like, oh, how terrible No, they love it How ash and fruit This is like what what why are you picking leave it? Burn an apple to a crisp right to the point where it's like flaky with ash It's it's really good for you all that I'm surprised all that carbon it remains as a As like a solid thing when they touch it just instead of just disintegrating Tree Are they trying to catch it in the air trying to eat it? Well, someone said, well, is it for the seeds? So the the thing is there are healthy apples in other parts of this area But they all seem to be like some of the characters are off grabbing those But most are just like, oh, look at this ash apple. Let me put it in my collection. Why? It's like it's three little meteors hit Like it seems to be a whole little countryside of just Stuff to yeah, there's still plenty of stuff to eat This is weird how How fast of these characters flipped now at this point because I thought he was going to go I use up there as he caused this is he bad luck for this all these apple trees and stuff He's like, no, maybe he can fix everything the only thing that's happened between them going We should take their wheels and leave them and this is a wolf happened That was the only did a ground pound which What does that have to do like that? That has now made them believe like maybe he can fix the forest. It's like But no, it's just it makes it makes no sense given You know what you want from these little weird folksy people is some kind of internal Myth logic, I guess if they associate as they did the absence of animals and food in the forest Bad things happening in other words with the stranger they've got amongst them What's the more realistic or probabilistic outcome in their minds if random asteroid essentially Destroy their orchard are they going to say well the magic man can fix it? Or are they going to say this is further proof that the guy is evil and brings evil with him and we should probably You know cut his legs off and eat him Yeah, they don't need those It's uh Very bizarre. They all seem very pro him and want him to solve all their problems now They their opinions shift like the wind or whatever. No the wind's more consistent So, um Yeah, they're watching him fiddle around with the tree and he starts yelling and doing his spell casting shit again And they they'd one for one do the exact same shit They did last time where they got to interrupt him and fuck with him while he's doing his spell and then they get hurt And then they're all like wow. He's kind of evil, huh? It's like People they're just even he kind of takes responsibility for it when they look really sad Like i'm like i'll be like well, it's not my fault you walks into the tree Yeah, just stay the fuck away from me when i'm yelling about spell casting. He's clearly like It was gradually looking like it fix it was fixing stuff and then this stupid little girl is like whoa It walks right up to it It's also like really stupidly inconvenient too, right because it's just like oh that one branch is falling down It's gotta get her Um, and if I can show it here, I'd like to you have genius nori here is like Oh my god dilly apparently is her day, which is pretty funny, but dilly get back So when someone is about to have something else fall on them What do you do? You usually grab them and pull them away, right? But instead nori grabs her You then tackle her forward Why the fuck did she do that? Like I hate this shit if I saw her do that to try to say like my daughter did that to save my other door I'd be like, why did you try and kill her? Why'd you try and kill both of you the fuck was that? What are you trying to do here? We have just established that the mischievous have eliminated their food source in the area And we know what they're like. So maybe this is one of their ways of um, you know, surreptitiously creating a banquet Look at the dad's face by the way. What does the tree branches fall in? I raised that bitch There's no worry causing problems again like literally every day it seems every fucking day Oh, they take a while to start off and he's like so can can or seduck and he's like, hey That is a spellbook, right? You can summon wolves Right Because nori's behind the world. He's been a thorn in both of our sides Just saying Yeah, they're like, oh my god. What a horrible experience. That was clearly magic man's fault. We all hate him now. It's like Okay, all you needed to do was not stand underneath the tree as he was doing this crazy super duper spell I hate this they have shots from everybody looking fearful of him And it's like could you not make sense of what just happened? He's fucking around with a tree and a part of it fell off and you jumped underneath it you fucking Sweet of god, if I was there, I should be like you realize all of that was you guys's fault not his right? He was just doing his thing Can you stop fucking around with him when he's casting spells? Seriously quit it. It's actually getting annoying He's probably Legitimately frustrated. Like I just want to cast a goddamn spell. Can you guys quit fucking with my shit? I'm trying to fix the tree for you. All I ask is just Step back come on so Fucking ignore the half a plot line for a little bit. We're off to the the dwarven plot line now Which no less frustrating unfortunately, so Elrond is like hey, hey, we're going to give you shit tons of everything for five centuries in exchange for access to mithril, which holy shit And that's a crazy good deal. That's the gilgill. Imagine you're a dwarf That's like you and the next and the next and the next generation and the next generation in the next generation That's 500 years of shit Gilgill isn't going to be in uh a reggae on until next episode. So did they clear this with him? This is all elven resources. Is elrond just capable of making this promise? Well, yeah, he's a diplomat in this, isn't he? So you should have the power to negotiate. I just I don't know man That's a lot like 500 years of pure resource that provided to basically anything and of course you'd be like Well, I mean it's saving the elven race, isn't it? It's like, yeah, I know but still that's that's a big promise You probably that's a lot of furniture, man. You'd think you'd have to get gilgillad's signature on that My favorite bit was when he said we want something sacred from you So I'm going to give you something sacred in return and he just goes meat grain and wood It's not particularly sacred a fair trade Well 500 years of it is pretty sacred, baby the trees though they are elves elves are kind of pressures about trees Aren't they so and they're giving it from the specific forest. So I would mind you the show doesn't frame it this way, but The it's for five. I still just can't get over 500 years. It's that is no show No time for an elf and I think it's only one and a half January I think dwarves lived about 300 or they live a long time anyway. So it's like one and a half. It's a lot I don't get me right. I see real time, right Well, not according to the last Two episodes when the reason he hadn't turned up for 20 years is because he doesn't realize that 20 years is a long time I don't understand how a being can operate in the same way that elrond does while also Having 20 years go by like quick. I don't understand how that works. He's he's in the moment all the time Isn't he's talking just like everybody else. It's not like time is feeding past That's yeah Always been the problem with immortality that you should it should still feel just as long to you You just have like a longer memory and stuff, but people treat it as if oh no I'm just going to sit in this room for a thousand years if it's not exactly Yeah, that's that's also been one of my issues with immortality that I bitch about is like yeah You live to be a thousand years, but a day is still 24 hours. You're not just going to be like oh, it's just a day No, no, it's 24 hours for you too Yeah, I don't know maybe defending the show so that there is An observed real world phenomenon where um The old you are generally the quicker you perceive time is passing So when you're a kid Obviously being asked to wait two hours feels a lot longer than if you're 40 and you're asked to wait for two hours um That's that's reasonably well established as a thing I guess you could extrapolate from that and say well if you do live forever Essentially, maybe you do lose track of time It doesn't work in this show though because this show periodically forgets What rules it's operating by but in the real world you could draw a link between passage of time Well, how long you've been alive and how long you perceive time? So, um, I would agree with you just only to an extent though and and that doesn't account for like older people having their senses Dulled over time as well compared to more useful people, which isn't applicable to elves, right? They they stay seems to be for color brimble Let's ignore this universe. Okay, because this one's weird, but uh, sure fine because because um I just I'm assuming it's still worth a lot right 500 years even the dwarves are like holy fuck Absolutely, that seems like a lot. Yeah in terms of resource access Well, that's the thing is it's not just it's not how long they live It's how much resource they have to give it doesn't matter if the elves are immortal if the forest, you know You're still taking 500 years worth of resources. That's that's quite a lot of wood and food and grain So well, they don't even put a limit on it the implication is you have access for 500 years And it's like can I take all of it? Like And so, uh, yeah, one of the things I found about this is just there's no clarification on that It seems that durin's made up his mind absolute no And something that bothers me about this whole scene and the whole episode This never ever ever comes up, but the first thought because I watched this first time around with with fringy and uh, We both immediately were like so war It wouldn't wouldn't absolutely. Yeah, if you're not just gonna passively accept that right like it just seems weird That was never addressed as an option. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it should be the looming threat of if these negotiations don't work We might legitimately have to go to war Because the dwarves know how important this is we've told them and if they won't negotiate with us Then like well, it's not that they necessarily will take that course of action But it should be yeah that there is the sense that that is a possibility This isn't just a matter of yes There will be consequences for this choice, but the elves don't die without this So they will just like Leave the place. Isn't that what they keep saying though that the elven race will perish without this? No, but essentially they just leave mid-earth. Yeah, they'd have to go back to valendor But which again is is sort of questionable because it leaves open Questions the show again hasn't answered which is well Why if they are able as the show is established to go back whenever they want to Are they staying here? Like what is their actual attachment to this place? Why are they really here and the show hasn't done anything of that? I mean you can go into the books and find that stuff, but the show hasn't established any of it So, you know, they wouldn't necessarily would die if they remained in middle earth without the myth rail The other thing that it hasn't established sort of, you know in terms of backfield information is Well, why is king jiren so very distrustful of them in the first place? You know, he specifically asked you what why would you trust an elf or whatever it is And and that that level of suspicion which exists in in the peter jackson films But because that's sort of implied at a later point in history This is the point in history when you really should be establishing Why they don't like each other or even if they don't like each other and the show hasn't done that either So there's a lot of the great thing about the books and the films is that they imply history Whereas this show is actually set in history and isn't even implying the history it's set in It's just ignoring all of it for a setup Yeah, this is a time to give us some more context because this is like the biggest political event of the dwarven and elven Alliance quote-unquote that there could ever be and it's just like nah Um, and yeah, there's a lot of and this is the other thing by the way I think you're you are correct that they'll have to go back to valinor and they won't be able to remain in middle earth But the problem is they keep framing it as though they're going to die the elves will die they keep using language like Uh, you know, it's like the elves shouldn't be able to escape death or cheat death Like they should just accept it and you know durian's like what but i'm just saying you're like well So the the dwarves are under the impression that they will die not that they will move to a different place It seems like it seems to be yeah, that that seems to be what king says This is part of where my frustration lies. It's not it's not that I expect that war should break out It's that I need these people to discuss it durian as a king should be like We might want to prepare because the elves may not take no for an answer Like he should know that he should be like this is They might get desperate if this is going to be something that you know without it it will kill them Yeah, this is as important that they say it is And then the elves of course it would be nice to just one zealous elf That's like why can't we just take it from those backward idiot people and then you know gilgillad explains something or someone explains Why that would be an absurd decision. Yeah Yeah to attack it's suicidal to attack them in their home base. They know the mountains way better than us It's it's you know, we can't do it But there should be that they should if you wanted to go back into the lore stuff Though they wouldn't really well large factions wouldn't even have hesitated They would have gone to war and killed all the dwarves because they did quite frequently Over essentially wars over jewels, which are not even as important as this is Which again, it's it's not that the show is obviously we know it's not trying to recreate that but it's that You could do your own version of that kind of thing and you would have so much scope for content going forward Overcross, you know five seasons you could have this all as political intrigue and build up You could have you know the complete collapse in relations leading to skirmishes scuffles and war thereafter You could you could depict in your own way It still would piss off purists But you could depict in your own way the events that lead up to the the collapse in relations That means that gimley hates legolas when they first meet in the jackson films But you're not doing any of that it is just as you said They're just that that's what you would need for all of this to have any kind of sense of life to it And there isn't any of that We have this squandering every opportunity to expand the conflict which when you think about like what's most interesting in stories It's the conflict the friction Disagreements tension and they're just not seizing those opportunities By having characters with different perspectives get thrown into the mix or just expanding it a little bit more kind of bizarre I thought it was funny when they they pan over to the I guess the first offering from elrond These these packages. I thought they had gilgill adds crowded there. They just tossed it in. They're just like fuck it Whatever You can have that too if you want Hey They didn't tell gilgill I'm looking for that You don't see my crown. It's like we'll make you a new one It looks like leaves like everything looks like leaves and like I suppose you're right um, so yeah We don't get much elaboration beyond it seems The king's main thing is that I don't want to endanger dwarven lives Uh, but elrond says like the deal would be that we have access to your minds the elves Like so we're going to give you all this stuff in exchange. You let us work the mithril um And so then I guess that would be a course of further conflict writers like Because if if the dwarves have a process to do this safely Yeah, they trust the elves to do it safely or are you gonna fuck around and like dig too much and destabilize this area because really there's not that much like do you know what you're doing When we know what we're doing there's so many conversations that have happened too better understand durian's perspective, but we don't get it Well, no because the show doesn't really have characters at all Like it's it's kind of this it's kind of incredible like there's barely any character in the show at all And it's not anything is the closest the the the closest they actually get the character is the dwarves And so if the dwarves have this problem you can if you haven't seen the show you can sort of imagine how De-raccinated the rest of the world is or it's just I I would be surprised Just based on the way that the character speak to each other that like it would be Even feasible for the writers to differentiate between them or like to explain how they would write dialogue for each character and how How their dialogue differs because of who they are and what they value Because the characters don't really There's there's dot points in the script or like of the of the series outline all of the beats And they know what those beats are and they just kind of like do them Without thinking about like how characters going to inform these decisions or expand the scope of uh of the drama The The characters are like empty vessels just for whatever the story needs at the time And especially in this episode and the next one the each character is like different people They just randomly change or they had the half-huts and how they changed about the wizard Um, but you've got a lendill who changes He comes to a moment at the end of this episode and then in the next one He flips entirely back on it and there's just changed back to who he was before Yeah, his was pretty stark Yeah Deezer does the same thing for no reason as well. It's bizarre Yeah, our main or our protagonist does that these two episodes absolutely Fuck with the character stuff. What little we have and as bad as it is They still just flip every day. It's just a shake-up. It feels like a shake-up Like new writers took up were almost who are equally bad just confused I don't know. I think I was just like I don't know that this show treats the characters in the way that the characters It's almost like um I'm struggling to like explain like how the characters feel in this show But you know how like I mean we're gonna compare it right in house of the dragon how You know, it's a high fantasy story and whatnot, but the characters feel very real They feel like well-defined individuals with their own Uh floors passions interests goals Yeah Before they say something I think I know what they're gonna say and then they say it. Well, I'm like, oh, yeah, there you go I know this character that doesn't surprise me at all It's a world that's where the characters are very comprehensible despite living in a world that is Very different from the one that we live in that's they feel like people the characters in this show don't really feel like people They kind of feel like um They're kind of like Yeah, like they're not they're not particularly They don't seem to me Like people who would actually exist even in a world that is fantastical um, they seem like they are Elements of a story that recognizes that it's like a narrative rather than And then of course the problem there is that even even in this context of that narrative the decisions that they make Don't really service the narrative very well a lot of opportunities for drama are not recognized and squandered Um, and they still don't make much sense. Like it's it's it's really weak Like that's that's just how I feel about the characters in this show. It's incredibly weak Yeah, there's a criticism that was often made of um writers like say Michael Crichton who did Jurassic Park and things like that concept writers, I guess you'd call them where They they have they have an idea they have a thing they want to depict They have a world they want to show you and they have point a and point b in mind You could interchange any one of the characters within the world that he's depicting and nothing would actually change because the character's not Actually tied with the events on screen. They are just there because a story involving humans needs Just nominally to have some humans present, but you don't actually need those characters They don't even really have characters the character isn't the point of the story being told It's just it's a grand vista or it's a grand concept being depicted or it's an excuse as Michael Crichton often did to depict His sort of lessons on on bioethics and things like that But you know, it doesn't matter that the characters are just purely circumstantial to it and there's a really But the Lord of the Rings should be the opposite of that the Lord of the Rings is there's high concept in it But it really shouldn't work without its characters given how much of its world is tied up with the different races of people But we don't get those don't seem of the world that they're in I think I I get what you mean I think what I would say my impression in this show is like If you would imagine like characters in a fable, you know, like a fable that that has a very specific point that it's trying to hone in on and how Like depending on how thorough the fable is the characterization might not be like that strong Um, like it's very much in service of the specific point of that fable And it doesn't really give you much more than that But the difference between those fables and what we have in this show is one the length of those stories But also that like The characters are consistently characterized in those stories Like if anything you could say that maybe like if you looked at some fable that it's too simplistic But like at least they're still acting in a way that is consistent with whatever goals are set out And in service of whatever story they're trying to tell the problem here is that like you've got a story that It the the story demands certain actions from the characters that just don't exist like that don't manifest at all Um, so i'm still trying I guess i'm just trying to figure out exactly what it is that i'm finding So hollow about the characters, but maybe that's their hollow It's kind of like star wars modern star wars at least where you see this world and all of the crazy technology and all of the everything in it And the people that you would expect to inhabit that Is different than what we're portrayed or what we're given because the people that were shown are a bunch of idiots everyone's stupid um And in this show you have all of these gleaming towers and cities and these massive incredible super high fantasy crazy things And everyone's written super poorly So they don't seem like they're actually a part of this world. How did this world come together if it's full of morons? Well, yeah, like it just You don't feel like these characters actually reside in the world that they live in they just don't feel like they're it it it does not Immerse you like it's very I find it very difficult to be immersed in this story Oh, yeah, there's very little continuity if that was like the juice that can get you Connected so little um Because obviously we were saying like these are all like puppets for a greater goal Which in this scene is we deny the elves they know and it's like does that make sense and it's like don't care if we said no Yeah, they said no that was the point. That's why we're going with the story and you know, he gives a shit and to be clear The full argument that's provided it's the Uh, they're gonna die and then he's like you expect me to just you know watch as my friend dies And the response to that from the king is the wiser people had decided Long ago that the elves would die and to defy their will could destroy the entire kingdom we have or even middle earth and it's just like What the fuck do you actually believe that? Like do you Yeah, like what if the dwarven kingdom is struck by some blight you're just gonna be like well That's what someone decided well I guess i'm gonna god or something wanted this to happen So There's a lot of that in this episode and the next one about essentially pre-ordained Yes, the wizard does as well, uh, they've set a path for you that you have to follow that you Yeah, even the bit where you know Galadriel's in the middle of an ocean and keeps meeting things it hints that the velar is responsible for that It's throughout the entire series. It's very odd to be honest Oh, I think it's dwarves. I mean so I don't want to this to be taken as giving them too much credit But to the extent the writers have recognized this problem at all and done any work to address it at all This scene with the dwarves is probably the closest you're going to get because at least The bare minimum is done in the sense that it establishes king durin as being uh Old in a sense cowardly very restrictive and it's done to play up the conflict between him and his slightly more brash and an ambitious son and you get you do get a kind of pale from that at the end The thing that's missing though is to really anchor his his weariness in the world. He's living in So it's one thing for him to say and it's the cheap and boring thing for him to simply say well It was pre-ordained thus if you were to try and say well Going back a few episodes you established that living in minds as the dwarves do They are an innately cautious people in the sense that you know The further down you dig the more dangerous your world becomes these people live In a world that could collapse in on them with the wrong stroke of a mallet for example You can tie that in and then you know If you wanted to do character where you could maybe portray more strongly that king durin Is the way he is because he's lived long enough to see ambitions literally caving around him But it doesn't really do any of that. I think I think that's sort of what it's aiming for But it's not Actually, they don't have that scene where he explains this where he didn't like Like oh, that's that's how such and such. That's how your brother died or that's how datada or do you remember of a great cave in of 1236 or anything like that, you know, there's none of that. We just don't he's just like I This this conflict between durin and his father is just never Like i'm constantly frustrated by it because I get the idea of each side But the way that they portray their ideas to one another and speak to one another It's just it's really frustrating One of the issues again is you don't you never know whether it's bad writing or whether they're actually Being subtle because in some other places they will spell it out four times in three like four different ways To make sure that this gets nailed home Whereas in this there's a there is a line where he's on about sort of tempting the mountain to fall on us And then he even goes the further we go in we go into like shadow and like well Is that meant to be a hint that he knows that the balrog is down there? Or is it just a throwaway comment in which case he should be bringing it up He should just be overt about it. There's a fucking creature that lives down there. We've dug too deep already We're gonna risk waking it up guys. So no I would actually make more sense to be honest with you But there are cases where leaders are like I don't want everyone to panic So this is a burden that I have to oh, yeah, but we would get told that as the audience right like We would we would have some moment where the king Recognizes the balrog is there. He's like oh, but I you know, I don't want to be telling everybody They'll fucking dream if they find out that's there You should do because if at any point if it goes doesn't even take long But if the audience knows something that the characters don't even if it's the character has no way of knowing it They come across as stupid Um, and I think that's an issue that they have in this show. They keep telling the audience things and you're like well Yeah, we'll have to probably not found that do this hyper inferences to what exactly is fueling this and And ultimately it's just like well, I think it might just be what he said He really does think the elves are gonna die now and fuck it. They should if they're gonna Because that's how everything works. It's like, okay All right, uh And this is mad Even with that if other characters had shown like morals and stuff Then you could think like well this guy's evil But because everybody acts the same way and no one cares about anyone and everyone acts evil you like well I Don't know whether that's his character. It's just whether they're right things if everyone's a dumb asshole What am I supposed to think? Yeah, this is like fuck it He's an idiot and then he's like no, maybe he's right and then elrond turns up and he's like sad You're in sad We just have to I guess come to terms with the fact that it's just it just yeah Everything just it's not gonna work out as we're here. I'm kind of annoyed that the elves kind of gave up on negotiations to Yeah, there's no round two. There was no All right. Well, I guess they that's not something that they wanted Maybe we could do something else. Maybe we could I mean we're building this tower. We just built this tower with I guess the tower is done now. I don't know. I that's really quick that they got this whole fucking tower built And the dwarves were helping with that. I suppose this is never brought up Again, that's just done. You'd think that would be like a big a big sort of um What was way like, um Like two I can't believe I'm blanking on the word um Like the cooperation between two groups symbiosis No, it Like uh, like I don't know whatever but they they they did this project together and it's just sort of done now And it's forgotten and we don't bring it up. You don't have dwarves and Linden or or You'd think I would have had some leverage over the You know relationships like we just built that thing Remember that you were paid handsomely presumably You know, wasn't that presumably so wouldn't you really want to just see us dead? I guess the king's like nope. I'm proud about it Yeah, it's fine. There's so much more Like I said, this feels like first draft it feels like okay It's like we got our first draft we'll come back and we'll iron it out later We got to build our blueprint for the rest of the season and then they never went back and ironed out a lot of the details and strengthen the writing and And to try to make the characters really unique and they shot themselves as well because One one of the other problems is that you don't really understand how desperate the elves are But the show hasn't given us time to do that and the reason it didn't give us time to do that is because It kept that secret from its main characters up until what two episodes ago? I think it was so like Elrond goes under false pretenses to meet the dwarves So the audience only really learns the extent of the problem Really within the last sort of well 10 minutes of their plot line and now we're expected Sort of building on the problem identified earlier as to whether or not they're going to actually die Or can they just fuck off to Valinor again? We also have the issue of how desperate are they given we've not had time to see this develop We don't have any sense of what they themselves might be thinking even off-screen never mind on screen. It's just And I don't really understand why they did that because keeping it a secret from Elrond I don't really think accomplished anything Whereas if they told him to go under false pretenses at the beginning The audience gets a much bigger lead into it And then Elrond has the additional drama which he shares with the audience of deliberately keeping a secret from his friend And you could accomplish You know roughly the same character dynamic with that as well was also given the audience more time to understand the stakes I don't know if the writers could have told you a lot of the detailed explanation as to Elrond sort of state of mind What he's supposed to know what he's supposed to have been told Um Because they I mean the the result of that is that it makes him look like you know a dumb asshole like everyone else Um when he says no, I came to be a friend. No, I try to get the mithril No, I guess they knew about the mithril but I didn't tell me I was supposed to learn your secret I guess, but I didn't know if I was supposed to do that from the start or not But I guess I was I don't know if the writers could have told you that And they set up stakes for the out because I kept It never felt that like that big a deal for the others because they could just leave There's there is that one line where they said if we leave then this entire place falls to darkness, but we've just seen The orcs got defeated like very easily in a little tiny town until and we've seen no other army There's no other threat And so it doesn't it just seems like he's Bigged up this kind of evil enemy which Isn't actually there or doing anything Yeah, where'd the orcs come from? I thought they all died in the battle Yeah I guess we we've replenished our orc supply for this episode. There's there's a lot more orcs now They could have at least on a scene free Yeah, they could have at least on a scene where Adol went back and he had another army somewhere and he just pans over him So, you know, there is at least a threat um So as someone that saw people in chat would say this like so why didn't gill glad Does gill okay, it's like what do we know here like the mithril if you You know, actually we'll get to that in just a sec because it's treated as a revelation which kind of blows my mind. Um Duren's like oh man, and then elrond says well, I better inform gill glad who soon enough won't be a king Won't even be in middle earth And durin's like really sad and I'm just like yeah, the language he's using really doesn't imply that they're gonna be dying Hey, whatever. He seems fine with it. Elrond almost seems like oh you said no. Okay. Bye That's just the kind of character he is I suppose but um I suppose It's uh, it's funny because durin says goodbye and then elrond's like we don't say goodbye And uh durin starts crying against it though Yeah, they're very close together the relationship is very robust and well developed and very believable So it makes sense that durin cries and sheds a tear. I was right there with him I can't believe they were saying goodbye these these good good friends of time But elrond's already been in a negotiation where it failed And he was willing to like get expelled and never ever returned to any dwarven kingdom ever Just for a chance to talk to somebody to try and convince them of his argument and so Like it's he isn't a person that would just give up on a negotiation But they've changed his character again. Yeah, so he's kind of just giving up on this one Uh, but as you're right like in the next episode even he does a bit of defying again Pulls that out here in there. Maybe just like I don't want to fuck with that king dwarf guy. He's Yeah, it looks like that crown hurts on his head. It probably gives him a lot of pain. He's probably ornery often So um, he hands the mithril stone back to durin and at first I think we were like, well, why would you even Don't need to do that and it's like then you think about it deeper and you're like, why would you hand back the token of friendship? Like If anyone's to draw any meaning out of that it comes across as like, well, we're done Which by the way follows from what I believe about elrond. Like I can't benefit from you anymore. So we're done. I don't need this anymore gave back the mithril Um, so where do they get the mithril for the rings? It's well it's that same piece. I was about to say so It he throws it across the table I think everybody watching this is like, oh, is it gonna clear up the leaf of its goo? And it and it does and then it literally does durin Durin and diesel are both like, oh my god. It's like elrond. Elrond come back. You gotta see this And I was just like, what? I thought we knew that everyone expected. Yeah, I thought this was the whole point It was the point. What did they tell you? I don't understand. Um killer brimbo said he experimented on the mithril and that it was everything they needed and that even a small Well, a certain amount of it can like cleanse everything and then they watch it cleanse and I don't I don't understand You know, can anyone help with this? What were they trying to say with that? I don't know. I'm in the same place. Yeah, they know that's what's gonna happen that the entire Um Negotiations was specifically because that's like he must have told them why they wanted the mithril. He must have done Why soon and I thought killer brimbo would have done this experiment anyway Like why would he not try that? Of course you would want to put it next to the goo and see what it does I guess maybe from the dwarf's perspective, it's it's revelatory To them in the sense that it gives them a visual understanding of something. They've only Fakily understood the concept but The elves brought that the elves should have probably demonstrated that yeah Yeah, like proof of concept would be handy. Um, yeah, this is no joke We don't just want it because it's a cool thing We want it because it's literally going to undo the horrible black goo that's spreading across our land Like just help us out. Yeah And it makes you wonder could they do it with just this one piece? Can you just walk around everywhere with this one piece and clear it up? And hey, um, why does it work when the mithril is said to be good and evil put together? Why is it anti-evil? Does that make sense? In the next episodes that they actually do prove that they could do it with this one piece Yeah, that's true. So uh, which I thought was absolutely bizarre because I thought I got Whatever we'll get there. And also it makes you wonder what what are the properties of uh, the mithril vest that bill bone Frodo have? What can it if you walk around with it and like Does it get around legless legless was constantly having like a euphoric high I guess whenever Frodo was near him Didn't know it was the vest. He just thought it was You're a cool dude, I don't know Uh, but yeah, I don't know I thought that was so weird because I was like we already do all of this but sure Why is there even goo in proximity to the one place in this universe where there is lots of mithril anyway? Is it not an area of effect thing? I assume if the goo can make it so close to the mithril, but then they have to Impew it with some other quality, which I guess would be magic, but it doesn't You can't do this and then also Do anything with the mithril vest or anything in the jackson films because you know If it contains the light of the silmarils it must have effects that the mithril vest in the jackson films plainly doesn't have If it's you know, it's evil is allergic to mithril And yet the orcs will have no trouble nicking it from Frodo and parading it around and the mouth of sauron can lift it And flaunt it at aragorn, so it clearly doesn't have That kind of rebuffing effect. It it's just I think it's just a contrivance. It's probably the only word Oh, I just thought it was a really really awesome metal that was really good And what's the pose? It's supposed to have the light of the silmarils in it apparently and they've had the light of the silmarils in at home No I don't even know what a silmaril is other than it's a macguffin thingy It's a thing that people talk about sometimes people like it Morgoth like the goo it The goo in this I thought originally was supposed to be it was a physical representation of essentially evil spreading across the land Because they thought they could even get rid of it just by stopping a war and that was going to clear it up so Surely the only way you could get rid of the goo in the first place is by fighting back the evil across the land I don't understand why some light Is going to affect what's meant to be a physical representation of Middle earth Well, if you get loads of it together and then throw it up into the sun it'll explode and spread light all over the I think that was the plan Now they're gonna have to do this whole ring plan. Oh wait spoilers. We'll get there. Bye. Bye So next up We go back to good ol, uh, Galadriel and Theo Who are in the fucking area they're in there is just ash just everywhere They're in like a hell and it just doesn't affect their breathing at all Nope ash has no effect on breathing evidently in the lord of the Lame Don't appreciate Theo worrying Is it blackface? I guess they both got such face. So, yeah um Yeah, he's like let's go kill some orcs and she's like no idiot. We're out numbered. We're out forced It's just like no, you're not your galadriel. He could kill like a billion orcs. Yeah Very very strange. Um And yeah, then he's like why are you so bothered? It's not even your fault that she's like don't you know It actually is and he's like And then I think they both try and talk about how it's definitely their fault individually. Um, Which I thought was funny Because Theo is probably much more easy to blame in terms of his involvement in all of this Like the retarded fucking health and all that stuff, but Yeah, we'll come back to that conversation I a part of me just doesn't blame anyone for not knowing about that. That's just so And again, they all knew about it for hundreds of years. I guess you can still blame waldrick I I you know, I do blame a lot of people Actually, I take it back as dumb as it is There was clearly all this stuff Going on around it I didn't highly blame the kid because he was the one that gave it to ador without that None of it would have happened. I guess I'll give him space on the fact that he was watching everyone getting tortured or killed, you know Yeah, I don't blame them for that Yeah, I don't think other characters should blame him But I think he it would be an interesting character thing for him to have some proper introspection On that He also he couldn't have known he couldn't have known precisely why It's just intuitive the spooky sword makes the volcano explode and create mordor. We were all that we all knew it That's what swords do. We didn't listen. No, it's just So, uh, we meet with elendil who's like, oh man, isn't it sad that everybody's so rough right now because of that volcano? Oh, geez. Oh, man. It's like come What are you doing here? You're with this you're with your son is confusing. You're with your son way further away. And now you're over here And you're looking for your son. How did this happen? Everyone seems to have the it's this is the scene where we were constantly confused as to Why are you here? What happened? I guess you you were all in the village and then you left the village But different people left the village to go to different places You didn't check for survivors. You didn't help the wounded. You didn't confirm Yeah, because he would have had to have what happened to the queen He would have had to have bumped into everyone else when searching for people because they were in the street Just fucked off. Everyone just sort of left and they're like, well, I hope all the people survived and they find us in the woods or something Yeah, and they struggle to tell him like oh your son got hit by a house and this part infuriates me because it's like Oh So what did you do about it? And they're like, well, we left and it's like so there's a house on top of him back there Do you see if he's dead? Like, oh, well, we assumed and it's like, okay. Well, whether or not he's dead. I'm his loving father. I'm getting that body I'm gonna go find him. Fuck you guys. I'm gonna make sure. Yeah, I'm gonna check I gotta I gotta make sure I gotta know but he just doesn't He just doesn't and he should have been there in the first place spoilers. He fucking leaves middle If your son's okay, he was trying to save somebody some stuff fell we didn't see him again. It's like, okay It's no, it's fine because he actually says in that that last scene before the leafy says it's called We'll leave a battalion here to go back and see if any of the people we left behind are still alive So Unbelievable The whole reason he's pissed in the rest of the episodes now is because he's lost his son It's like you didn't confirm that like any normal father who loves his son would But okay, I'll end deal you do you buddy The Doesn't take the news well, but I guess why would you I just I get frustrated watching him do that shit Because I believe that he would race off immediately Wherever they said they saw him. He never would have a town no You get a lot of those moments with all the characters where it's just like, why can't you just be normal? The riders need to ask themselves. What would I do in this situation knowing all the things the character is supposed to know? Well I guess I'll leave middle earth I hope my son's okay I'll leave middle earth to come back later They could have used They could have used muriela as an excuse for him to leave the town because she's the queen And so he's like torn up. Well, I I have to get her out of here because she's in danger But that takes precedence But it's rather than that it's just oh no nobody cares everyone just leaves everyone everyone's out for themselves They're all evil in this show I could totally see him be like You know not not necessarily fuck the queen but I could totally see him being like uh You guy who was helping you come with me and show me where you last saw him queen You go with my top things god or whatever they say if I gotta go find my son Then she could be like I need you and he's like my son needs you know that sort of thing I could that could have been Yeah, like is your duty to numinor or your son and he's like My son crazy bitch and then he punches her in the fucking throat And then he fucking tea poses on her You could actually work it even into the scene they've made though, right? Because you have the revelation of her of her sight loss momentarily and Yeah, all it would really have taken is I guess Elendil learns at that moment that the son he was Standing next to a few moments ago is now no longer with them So he's like no, I'm gonna go back and then she says no I need you to stay and then they have that sort of then you get the reveal of blindness And then it's is clearly depicted Ideally the devotion to duty that forces him to then consciously leave his son behind But I don't think we really get that from what I remember of the scene Yeah, now he just walks off Uh When we go back to Theo and Galadriel and Theo's like man, it sucks. My mum's probably dead Alpham's probably dead. Everyone's probably dead, right? Probably and then Galadriel says Uh, do not fill your mind with guesswork Uh, it'll make it hollow Something like this. I'll get the quote exactly basically. Yeah, it's a really This show's full of really bad advice. He says what cannot be known hollows the mind fill it not with guesswork Uh, this is a woman who spent centuries roaming the earth looking for sarron just guessing at his location. Yep There's or is that the point she's gone on an arc. She's learned that that was a mistake Was it with this? And she would have been able to fight him at all Uh as elrond puts it in the next episode. I was wrong to doubt you. You were right like about everything No, I mean, I'm I'm me me. I don't think that that's what they were going for at all I think that was just meant to be like a smart thing that she said, but it's really weird It's just another weird Saying Yes, just weird as fuck, uh Don't guess about things ever and it's like, um You'd think that the more wise thing to say here would be like don't assume the worst like to keep your mind away from Yeah, something like that. You have to have you have to have hope You have to you know be prepared. You have to something some actual bit of practical advice that you might be able to Use like the imagining that you know, it's like, oh, we have three directions to go Which is the least likely to have orcs and oh, maybe it was and she goes don't guess work If you don't know, we'll just leave What that's that's how we do a lot of things is kind of I work with uncertainties. Why would you even say this? It's so bad and she says it so confidently He's imparting this age-long wisdom What the fuck up? Nobody here can question here No, which is really sad but hey Um, so yeah, they're they're heading to the numinorean camp I guess she managed to just find a direction that completely dodged everyone Because that's where everyone's heading right the numinorean camp There are huge trail of people that go from where she was to the camp She's gone where she was with them to the camp. She's somehow managed to go a place where no one else is And she bumps into a huge horde of orcs as well How yeah, she and theo both went because he went with her. He didn't go theo didn't look for his mother No gave up he went straight to the woods with the crazy lady He didn't look for his mother. He didn't look for any his friends and family of people He's lived with he just goes right next to his mother. Just don't get how any of this happened Yeah, it's why how did this happen? You try to picture it in your mind a little a little grass Like oh how like actually how did this happen? Then get the wonderful line where he's like how many orcs have you killed? She's many and he goes good And she goes I would not use such words. Oh god. Like why? Because it darkens the heart to call dark deeds good You were threatening to torture them leafily in the last king episode. Jesus woman Changed in 90 minutes. Well a volcanic eruption I suppose but Does that clear the mind the orcs have been exclusively horrendous to theo and his people That is like the orcs seem to be yeah It's just like intrinsically un salvageably evil and killing them seems to be just a general good thing all the time in all contexts That's utterly bizarre. We've not seen that orcs are like nuanced. They're always just looking to destroy Burn and kill Eat like that. That is that's all they do And this is like yeah, but killing them and it's funny because if you'd said murdering them Maybe there would be something of a of a question there, but like killing them is just exclusively evil really You can't murder an orc In a sense like they're they're just you know in I know you mean yeah, what i'm suggesting is the choice of the word kill is what theo has she's she calls that exclusively dark It's like how could you possibly think that? I don't know because the moderated position is you should kill them, but you shouldn't feel happy about it, but again In the previous episodes the previous episode I think well it was the last one wasn't it? But they actually tried to give the orcs a kind of emotional value They were fallen elves. It is a fallen elf. They established a kind of familial relation They invite the audience for the first time to think that these are not just You know insert random evil creature that can just be killed willy-nilly So they tried to do that and then that's what makes her Well, yeah, they also do that but then also that's what makes her so horrific when she says at the time I'm going to kill every last one of them and make you watch that's horrific at the time and now now they've kind of Now they just completely done a vault face and now it now it's well. No, you should be lamenting Killing them except when you you shouldn't be I don't I think even the show understands what the moral character of the orcs is Yeah, and normally you would have thought that the orcs, you know, they didn't really care about each other either They'd happily have killed each other for anything um, but in this they've Set in stone that they actually do care about each other. They have a culture. They are sure this dies Well, yeah, ador but the other orcs as well. They were all involved in that ceremony They all seem to care that one of them had died and so You do get to that point where killing one of them because it would negatively impact other people There is a kind of a moral thing there and it didn't ador was on about well, you know We're only here like looking for a place to live It's kind of I don't care that we're getting rid of people but He's full of shit though because he tried to make it sound like it's such a you know Like it's so nice for us to finally give these orcs a place to be and then it's just like everything They show of the orcs are just these horrendous assholes who want to destroy everything for everyone else It's like if it would if you could have one orc who was just like man, I just want to farm. I just want to grill I want this crazy war stuff. Are all people? No, no, no Yeah I think they're aiming for the fact that they don't really care If they kill other people, but they're not going out and deliberately like doing it for pleasure is I wonder sometimes about that Remember when they kill one of the slaves for no reason at all like they were just like yeah, we did it. Yeah That's true. They were smacking a lot of them as well for no reason That's gonna smack some sense into them those slaves were in the misery of us But that's what you expect from orcs or They're trying to humanize something which is innately evil, which is why it doesn't work But they still like how to go I think Oh, uh, then we have a whole scene to say muriel's blind now. Um rip I was saying when oh no not muriel the thing is the scene itself is like fine in terms of how it's revealed Be like I I would Asterisk that with where I there was confusion on my part Because she was staring forward and so is he he was staring forward too and I thought they were looking at something The two of them Um, well, I I mean it gets pretty they do a visual of uh, Elendil dodging a twig and then he looks up to see her dodging. She doesn't just narrowly gets past it Which is kind of that's like it feels pretty blatant at that point and then so that comes before my mind Looking in the same direction imagining that the entire journey up until this point And at no point have they gone below a low-hanging branch because then she would have been twatted right off her Not only that but just to hit climbing onto the horse while being blind Got onto the horse. Yeah, this is gonna be surely you've been given away at this point, but maybe they weren't thinking about it um I don't know. He picks it up and then she's like, oh, shit. You noticed and to me. I was just like I just told him right he was gonna figure this out I think a lot of people would eventually I was blinded trying to help Numenorean soldiers Have you seen the elf? So, yeah, I haven't because you know, yes The problem is I just didn't care about her at all. So I don't yeah, I mean, I guess it's Yeah, like if if she was more of a character Just like if everybody was more of a character then this could have been more potent, but at last So you don't even really know how much agent she's she has so it's different if you've got a I think when um when neo gets blinded in the third matrix film And then you realize because you know, we know a lot about his character And we know how integral he is and we know what he's going toward and how integral to the plot how much agency the character has That that moment of blindness Fills gives the audience a sense of the gravity of the situation But with Miriel who's not really a character and whose agency hasn't been established beyond that She is vaguely probably a queen of some description Is this even that Tragic a thing like is it really going to impact her role in the story going forward? And ideally you'd have at least got some hint of how terrible this will be for her Beyond obviously the inconvenience of not being able to see anything But it's it just again is it's bad character work until this point means that you don't care about it in the supposedly Revelatory moment. I think I think I know what you're saying like when neo gets blinded. We're like, ah, fuck He's been blinded. Jesus was oh god. What does this going to mean for the like we need him to be able to While with her you're like, oh Happen that's that sucks, I guess Yeah, even if you are pretty empathetic to it, you might just be like well, you can still make decisions, right? That's her sole role as well that she doesn't actually need eyesight to have a role in the story Whereas with neo you assume that he does need eyesight to do the things that he does So again, what are we supposed to feel about this if anything beyond that? Oh, that's a bit kind of sad for whoever this woman is Well, but we'll get back to the impression that the only reason that they did that is because they felt like they needed More consequences than a present. Yes Because nobody important died except for guy who didn't want to die and we know that assilda isn't dead I don't think he's dead There's no way right like that. They're actually gonna like deviate that much are they or Well, so some theories some people come up with is like you could have another seal door that could have been Gary ain't no one Good. How are you? Can you hear me? Okay? Yeah Yes, I can And I was just about to answer a super chat. It kind of it was like, why aren't you talking about the fedali? It's like we're halfway through episode seven. So we'll get there in a few hours Yeah, we're building up. We're building up. We're going faster today than usual I might I can come back for that then Well, yeah, we'll be here for a while. So you're more than welcome to By the way, hi rags. This is really awkward because I promise And I didn't but I I still will and I'm sorry You promise what now? Sorry. I promise to get you something and then I didn't and I'm sorry about What did you promise to get me? It was falcon. You asked me to do something for a video about captain falcon You know remember Oh, yeah, I do. Yeah. Yeah, I don't I haven't I haven't I I know that what I said is is almost like uh Like oh, you totally forgot but I haven't forgot it. It's just in my it's for something else and it's still happening So good. Yeah, that that is absolutely underway. Whatever could it be? Who knows? I guess we'll all find out later Yeah, I just wanted to publicly apologize because I don't know. It's fine. I mean, yeah, the public We were kind of ripping you to shreds publicly Telling everybody how much you suck. So it's good that you've done that you've recovered your rap now It's all good. Let's talk about rings of power. Yeah More because I just finished talking All for three hours It's the last hurdle for us anyway. Yeah, yeah, finally get me to think about it for a while We're up to when when totally not Gandalf is Excommunicated because he made a branch fall over that they do they both jumped underneath for no reason at all While trying to save the tree for them and get them food Right, but which he was successful. Uh, he just he was a delayed sort of thing, you know Um But yeah, Nori is like bro, here's an apple and I guess it's supposed to signify something I'm not quite sure like oh look at the journey. These two have been on the friendship They share or something. I think it's just supposed maybe it's supposed to symbolize here some food Yeah, maybe they needed to kill some time to pat pad the watch time Uh, doesn't it like order the kill time with this plot. Ooh, they kill time. So with With uh, Nori pushing her sister towards the tree Yeah And and this is all over like a tree branch falling down and it didn't instantly heal Uh, doesn't it make you kind of rethink how these little assholes like abandon people? I'm like, maybe somebody just playing ankle and they're like, fuck this guy's dead Well, I guess I guess we saw them do that right the yellow sunshine berries if you get my drift You just gotta wonder how extreme they get like some guy, you know, just spots They're like, that's it for you, buddy. That's it social faux pas. He can't be doing it. Yep Smells like death your death So yeah, he he walks off and we get just the funniest shit nori's like, you know what I should have stayed on the trail That was my big mistake. I didn't stay on the trail mom It's like Yeah, they're really doing that this whole season. They've just been having to say You got to stay on the trail nori. She's like, I don't want to stay on the trail. I'm gonna off the trail now She's finally like, oh boy, I should have stayed on the train Low point for nori. She she's realizing the error of her ways and is doubting whether going off the trail is good Maybe she's a more job of making us try to like trying to get us to sympathize with her Because they're given how much time these characters have had. That's insane Everything she says in this scene is wrong. If she didn't go off the trail, then she never would have found him She never would have rescued him and they would have been left behind by the other half-oats and they all would have died She's literally saying Yeah, but the show's logic is that the reason why her dad had the injury in the first place is because she was too busy Off the trail which was so retarded Even though everybody else in the village could have helped There was so many fuckers sitting down when that was happening code Only families are allowed to help families That's why you have kids because if you don't have kids no one can help you legally No one is allowed to assist you in any way. What just want to know what happens to the people who struggle to walk Because they just get an old they do they just get left behind I guess so Fuck them We hate them We eat them literally just they just disappear and we don't talk about it No, they put them in the little book remember This is the dystopian future of the harfoot world. Like I said, it's like logan's run well, uh I look forward to seeing that adaptation I just watched one of the showrunners justify the harfoot's existence by saying erroneously by the way at comic con in front of god and everybody including the tolkin professor that um tolkin didn't specific Specifically state that harfoots didn't do anything in the second age because he only mentioned hobbits Without mentioning the fact that harfoots are hobbits. They're just a breed of hobbits So these guys are like functionally retarded and they're trying to do with those They did that with the tolkin never said galadriel didn't go to human or therefore it's fine It was okay, but tolkin never said that galadriel probably would have mentioned it Didn't meet dumbledore on tatooine You could do anything with that line of reasoning He made it right that the harfoots took a shit on the third of of septober 5505 bc. You're like, well, then I guess they did Well, um, oh, yeah, so this is where we find out that uh caliburn is dead Yeah, one quote. We'll find out whatever's going on there. It just it seems unlikely to me that they're gonna commit to him being dead, but uh Maybe there are two caliburns He's holwins all all elves are born as twins. It's uh Yeah, uh, she's like I met him while I was dancing in a in a glade or grove or whatever then Like you don't you've never Not this character. You've never danced I stole that from a baron and luthian too. Like uh Luthian was dancing in a glade. It's it's Repurposed shit. It's all shit. I'm so bitter from watching this. I could imagine. Yeah You could finally unbitter yourself for a little while before the next season comes out It's gonna be years. That's the good news to right Yeah, like three years two and a half three years um So, yeah, uh, she's like theo. This isn't your fault Uh, and don't take that burden because it'll be really hard for you to put it back down And I'm just saying they're like, do you actually know what theo's done? I'm assuming she has no context because he's probably talking about all the shit with the hilt, right? It's amazing how much you say that Because she wasn't there when does she even know the hilt did this does anyone know? I don't think she does Does x character know that x character did a thing or that does x character know that x event even happened? It happens all the time The knowledge levels are all over the place Yes, it's just like, you know, I don't know if people know I'm not gonna tell you, you know, don't tell me why I'm just gonna say you're not. It's like, all right Thanks Sweet. This is very encouraging. You have no idea who I am or what I've done, but you're telling me it's not my fault So I'll believe you Well, she absolves sauron. So why not absolve this? Yeah, she seems to say that to everyone because later on she goes well, you know I didn't actually mean what I said to you that nothing mattered So she'll just tell people whatever she thinks they need to hear To kind of be a useful tool for in the future because if this kid breaks down He's gonna be in trouble for so even this could probably be self-interest I can't have you having a breakdown Then we get like once again like they establish something that I don't think Works very well. He pulls the sword out of the hilt slightly and it makes like a sheen sound and then all the orcs go There's someone clearly over there all swords have to do It's a hollywood mandate whenever you pull a sword out of a sheet that has to go she She want to establish that right fine. I think it's goofy, but fine It's loud enough to activate all the orcs that were over there. Okay And then they like why didn't they just have it to where when he's scooting back? He like puts his foot on a rock or a spraker twig. Yeah anything normal But uh, the orcs look around they're like, oh, I don't see anything Let's go and then they're like, whew, we're fine and he puts the sword back in and it doesn't alert them this time Like it goes It'd be funny if they did the exact same sound effect but reversed it Yeah, but um Why establish that and then break it immediately like I can't keep Why have this scene Delay why why does she even you're wandering through enemy lands? There's orcs everywhere. You're the only trained fighter in the amongst the two of you Is this really the right opportunity to be handing over your sword to a A random child you just picked up in a burning village 10 minutes ago. Oh, yeah That that is the thing that is that happened yet. He's like I think there's a little bit later I don't know why he just took her sword. Maybe I can't remember if that's happened yet, but he's just like Am I a warrior? Can I be a warrior? She's like, yeah, here's the sword. I guess that seems to be what happens, right? And I would probably like what the fuck are you doing? You're gonna need that sword Give him the if you're gonna give him anything give him a knife, right? Yeah, give him something else or just tell him just don't fight don't don't fight I ain't no Boromir. Just don't fight don't get into conflict I won't protect you until we get to wherever the fuck it is that we're going Because we've somehow found a trail to the Nubidorian camp from the village that leads to an army of orcs like How did this happen? We are in the woods There I don't even know how that would be nifty scenes for like, which way are we going? He said normally I'd use the stars in the sun, but it's it's just so It's so blotted out. I can't even tell Why are they all going in different directions? I don't know the same place Nothing is that logically lines up in the village to the Nubidorian camp nothing They go when they need to go for the sake of drama and whatever they need Everything the characters in the world just bend to the whim of what they want to happen without any regard for the decisions that they would actually make What is that game where it has all the it's like a kid's game I guess anyone can play it. It's not really necessarily a kid's game I guess it is kids game because they're playing it, but if you have a It's it has like the board. It's not boggle. It's kind of boggles kind of it's close to boggle But it's got the board that like rotates all the shapes and throws them around and you have to try to put them back in the Appropriately shaped pegs as fast as you possibly can before the timer goes off That's what they did in between episodes But awfully they they just jumbled everybody in the locations so that they can get everyone split up They don't make any sense with assilda and uh, what's his name? Like how they were They were both having a conversation by the horse because that was the the drama that they wanted for that episode But then in the next episode it's like, yeah, but we want to like fake out assilda death So how are we gonna do that? It's like, well, they're not together. I know It's like wait a minute, but like they were together. No, they're not like it's it's just it You can't you can't just like do whatever you want like If you make certain choices in your story, you have to commit to them and follow through Like what it means to be a good writer is to understand like how all of the parts of your story interconnected And how to like whatever changes you need to make Characterization or to like the plotting to achieve whatever payoffs that you want and to achieve them effectively You don't just get to do whatever you want um Is funny because when they ignore the source right and fuck with it in whatever way you're like Wow disrespectful driven by your own desires, blah blah, but when they ignore their own stuff, you're like, oh, you're what are you doing? Fucking idiot What are you doing? You told me this was true and now you're telling me it's not true. What the fuck It was the writers doing to each other what they did to Tolkien because remember when when it comes to The story that you present like you as the author the writer You're making choices about what you present to people Like because they can't see everything like there's got to be some guiding force in terms of giving people information And when you give people information Like yeah, then they do retain it and like when you change it in the next episode or you disregard it Yeah, I mean like that that damages the story You just gets to whatever you want like Commit to the decisions that you made or like, you know what maybe there's a better way to get the drama that you Want in both episodes or alternatively if there's no better option, which is rarely the case Then just commit to that choice that army of orcs does start to approach the village and everyone Scatters to to to escape them and that yeah, and that's how everyone gets into these unique sort of groupings And they all have to regroup back at the human orion camp Because you think about opportunities for drama if he's like looking for a silda and then a bunch of orcs start running in It's like I mean again, we've lost the characterization of I would presume that he would help people in that village She seems like that kind of Ellen deal would definitely do that. Yeah, there's not even a chance Most of them would but he definitely would but we we can't do that because we want to have We didn't have that scene But that's like it is weird. It's an unimaginative perspective on like storytelling Like what we needed him here for this. It's like you have tons of options You have all the options. You're writing it Having all of those characters in the village in the aftermath of the volcano It's great for storytelling and characters because it will show you how they all operate in that crisis Amongst each other how illogical it is like yeah, where Yeah, if we're biting the bullet on that's just just sort of what happens in the story Then you could show how they act. Who are there? What are their priorities? Who do they care about first? So who's most important to them? You have it's just rife With opportunities to really learn about these people and further characterize them But and I think it's like I said they got boggled What they got boggled because Yeah, I just think it just reinforces that you don't You don't realize all the opportunities that are before you and more importantly That everything that you make your characters do In the circumstances that you put them in says something about who they are I'm pretty sure you mentioned earlier rags, but like when gladrile like walks off and doesn't help anybody that says something Yeah, that's that's apparently a thing that she'll do. Yeah, exactly She is willing to hear a baby crying and she'll fucking walk off into the woods with theo Yeah, and what's weird about having looks like in the forest And you have this scene where like I was saying with you Potentially, you know fertile ground for character development and stuff, but I guess they really wanted to have Galadriel and theo together for a few scenes They really felt that that was worth it and that was really important to have in the show I think little platoon mentioned it We'll just prove one of you the the the idea is that she sees herself in theo And she gets to have those that conversation of Advising him with stuff that she should have been told herself or some shit like that I think it's when he's blaming it like he's on about attacking the elves and he says something like I've got to go and kill them all and she's like no you've got to let that go You've got to let that go and it I think the repetition is her realizing it applies to her Yeah, they should have done that in the camp back at the back of the the new norian encampment What they should have done is after everything is sort of they've gathered all the survivors and everything She notices theo with a sword like whacking a practice You know dummy or whatever and she notices that he's just he's just shit Right and so she maybe goes over and notices like gives them some pointers and stuff And he's like why are you so ain't you know, and then they have the conversation there, right? Instead of we need to separate around theo in the woods. Yeah They see that you just think about the the first alternative that comes to your mind is better Like I said, I keep saying it feels like a first draft that no one checked It's the writing process, isn't it like you start with your ideas and the things that you want to do But then you start refining it and you figure out More expeditious more potent ways of getting to the payoffs that you want You don't just kind of like passively accept the first idea that comes into your head and then just roll with it You think Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, you make that right here are the things that we want to have and you make all your checklists We want to have like we want to have galagial and theo talk. Okay. We have glad that we make all that list How do we make this happen and how do we mesh that with the other things that we want to happen? We could just have them walk into the woods. That's cool. That's solved next one and then they move on It's entirely it's it's a redundant aspect at this point though But this is the worst point you could possibly choose to even try this device You've got five seasons when you're going to be sticking around with these characters If you want to make it more believable that galadriel should leave a village full of suffering people to get back on her mission What you don't do while she's getting back on her mission is to give her that moment of self-realization and reflection That that's make that happen later Get to the end of this season when it turns out that her drive to fulfill her mission has ended up Arranging stupidly, but nevertheless arranging saurons reemergence and he's coming back to power Have her grappling with the consequences of that in maybe like the first episode of season two That's when you give her this moment of realization You don't do it here with a character. She's never met whose action She doesn't know and then forget about it really going forward anyway Because they just thought all they wanted was to have this this random scene. They thought this was the place to do it It's the worst place to do it. You do it much later Very definition of contrived. I mean you could I mean, I know we're trying to break down the scene But we could also argue that you don't make your main character an insufferable bitch that you don't care at this Hey step one Yeah, it's If you want to make her very unlikable you you want to you don't want to make anyone Unlikable right people can be evil bastards, but you could still be like, oh this guy, right? Yeah, we've got a really good show right now that kind of illustrates that there's a lot of bad people that we're interested in Yeah, like I don't know if it's compelling or yeah compelling interesting entertaining like there's a whole bunch of words that would describe it but a character Like a character that you like doesn't necessarily need to be I guess it depends on whether you want to use the word likable or I like them You know versus who they would be in real life if they really existed I just don't think that they realize who they who gladrally is like who they've characterized her as I think that the impression that they write is probably have is Yeah, maybe she's a little headstrong, but she's like determined. She wants to save lives and you know, she's um She she's determined. I think that would be the word that they would use rather than like callous She um she shares the most important information with the audience as well So she's determined, but she's also frustrated And I'm sure the writer's idea was that the audience would see her frustration and understand her frustration because We are the only people besides her who know that she's right about everything And so we see her being put off course and being denied by her other characters Even though we know that she's correct. So we're supposed to sympathize with her frustration But that was that was massively presumptuous by the writers and it it doesn't excuse you then Of writing her in a way that's not a complete dickhead in universe, which is what they did Which does make her unlikable. So I I actually think you know, they should have doubled down on that really if they're gonna do that Which they shouldn't have done it to begin with if they are going to do that though Double down on it make her unlikability the point of her character Actually have her deliberately abandoned villages of suffering people because she's so mission focused And then you see the folly of that at the end and then you can bring in self-realization later You stand there on yeah, but I don't think they realize It's just you can't do that if you don't even realize What I don't think you realize They don't realize that that's an arc that's available to them, you know I think they come from a perspective where if you Know you're right then you are justified in any action in order to achieve what you want to do Doesn't matter what it costs to any other people It's kind of like they're climbing the greasy pole to get where you want Especially when it comes to like the writers themselves They've written for 10 years in Hollywood and no one wanted to get anything made And then you've got glad real is like no if only everyone gave me a chance and listen to me then Everything would be amazing. I'd be able to sort everything out and it kind of The the action What kind of arc is that I was right all along We've seen it before You might be right. Maybe they don't think it arcs. I don't know Like I got no idea though. She was right all along and just needed to realize she was better all along We've had that a couple times now Everyone else needs to learn that she's right. Yes, that is another thing that happens usually other people need to have their arc understanding of awesome shoes As opposed to like resolving some problem within yourself like some floor and then and then rising above and becoming a better person so We come back to durin and good ol elrond and elrond is is doing the thing again Where uh, if you remember when he was talking to gilgillad in the other episode We was like, uh, I went to durin and ate a friendship But you sent me there looking for for something. Did you like like boo and we were all like, uh, excuse me elrond You went there You're a fucking liar Yes, he's coming. So he's like, well, we get the best example now So durin is like, I'm not going to drink water right now Self-discipline I assume what he means by that is to base it out or something because you know I don't actually know Because depending on what the relationship could be that would be oh, I'm not going to take the help of an l for something like that I don't know I'm I'm going to go best faith possible and assume we need to drink where the intervals lie self-discipline right like I don't know But uh, elrond's then like you think that's going to bring you success But I'm just I said you're like self-discipline drinking water. No, no self-discipline Oh, the very concept of self-discipline. Will that bring uses is like typically? Yes. Oh, yeah Was actually it's it's it's an expression It's a euphemism for stubbornness and not so he's using self-discipline as an excuse to sort of press on regardless because he's He's angry at this moment He's pushing forward at the expense of his own health beyond the point at which is reasonable And he's sort of aware of that and elrond is sort of aware of that and so, you know That's kite. It's almost tongue-in-cheek was what I took from that But maybe I'm being too kind to the writers. No, I hadn't thought of it that way But that yeah, that makes sense because they also then referred back to the previous time with their duel between them And he was angry in that moment as well. So it would tie together If that's what they were going for It could have been a little bit clearer because I legit was confused that he was being critical of the concept of self-discipline But if he wasn't referring to that at all, he was just like I'm just I don't know at that point I'm just like doing what the fuck you're doing drink warm it, you know like yeah Reframe like that. It sounds like because he's angry angry. He's like He's trying to channel his rage Into the mining like he did before and that's like he's sitting down and having a breath that he's like hey I have some water. He's like no self-discipline Like I think that the argument would work better if he was continuously hitting with the pickaxe And then he was like dude have a break and he's like self-discipline elf, you know But like having us sit down and not drinking. I'm just sitting like why not? So like I said, I thought what he was trying to say was like save the water or something. I don't fucking know whatever anyway Elrod is like, oh You won that contest. Did you he's like, yeah That he's like you did you didn't want me to like you didn't let me win. Did you he's like, well I wanted to have your ear. So, you know, that's the way to do it. I was just like Does Elrod not remember what happened? It was presented as if you win I will grant you a boon meaning, you know, like a benefit in some way in this case I'll listen to you if you lose you'll banish from all dwarven lands How does he imagine that losing to him ensures more time to be listened to? Like this just sounds like he's doing the cartman thing again Actually, I won and I got what I wanted It's kind of a no lose scenario. So obviously if he won Which he must have known he wouldn't have won in the end I think that's the admission when he said he admits that he was winded So he knew he couldn't realistically have won Um, and then you have the line after that says, well, can I can you at least escort me to the exit? So I think that does sort of work in it's not done particularly well I think it does make some kind of sense. They like he he went in knowing he was probably gonna lose But it was an opportunity at least for him to get durinzi while he was led to the exit Of course that all falls apart if durin says no fuck off. I'm not leading you there But we we sort of forgive that I guess I think there is in the words an element of sense in it What becomes a little bit more tricky is that elrond has effectively lied to durin every single time they've spoken at this point So he turns up and he says I need your help and durin complains that they haven't seen each other for 20 years And so elrond backtracked and says I came because 20 years is too long to be away from a friend And then it turns out he's pivoted back to I need your help And by the way, I came to you on to false pretenses even though I couldn't have known that because I was really after the myth Rill My people are gonna die Even though they're not gonna die and now I'm telling you that the competition I invited I deliberately lost every single exchange in other words has essentially led to a lie of some kind on elrond's part So if I would I would never this is downright in character for this person at this point He constantly makes shit up Yeah, if elrond told me the sky was blue, I would fucking check We'd be sure about this. I don't think so Like you might believe it right till you have the magic power to make it not be blue anymore Because you said it was Um, yeah, uh, I should probably address by the way. This this is them digging They are digging because durin is full baited But uh, they can try and maybe do it themselves and get access to that myth Rill, which we find out even a thimble of that stuff would make a hell of a difference any amount they can grab and um You know, which is just kind of interesting to think about because they don't they don't manage to pull that off But uh when digging they actually crack through and they find a huge deposit of this stuff like a huge vein Um, the only thing about it that I wonder is like You know, you're getting caught, right? And it's like, yeah, the plan is that if they can show The king that they've found a bunch of myth Rill and they managed to mine it without everything falling apart that he would be partial to that When that wasn't like if you remember his closing argument was the elves dying fucking let them Like it wasn't like like that It's almost like he's using this to get back at them for something What i'm what i'm trying to say is that uh durin's trying to counter the point of like it's dangerous when it's like Oh, you already did that you said i'm not gonna let my friends die just because something's dangerous And then the king countered that with they're like they're meant to die I don't think finding a mitral vein is going to change that Deezer went further than that because she said like we can force his hand by essentially Getting the other people on our side like this will be great for the dwarven kingdom And so they will turn against the king like a civil war sort of thing Or yeah, I think it was like pressure essentially that if everyone's like this will be great for us Then he wouldn't dare go against them Well, because he's well he still does Well, they didn't get the opportunity to I guess Yeah, like to mine it out. I think that's what deezer's gonna do next time. Oh like in season two yeah Well, yeah, because uh, I the impression I got by the time we hit the end of this plot line of season one Is that they intend to possibly depose the king at this point? I don't know what's gonna happen with that exactly but Yeah, uh durian catches them the king and he says right elf. You're banished and durian. I'm gonna have a chat with you and I was just like, whoa Consequences Yeah, that's crazy But uh, you know elrond, he managed to sneak out some mitral with him Yeah, it's just like how did you do that? How did they let that happen? It's in your fucking hand It's in his hand. It's literally in his hand This is so significant as well I don't care about flashing forward for a second. This creates the three rings of power for the elves And also when you find out that that creates the rings and that solves everything It makes everything that's happened with the dwarves entirely pointless Like all the stuff about the mitral all the time we spent with them was all it's like the halfords They don't go anywhere doesn't contribute to the story Uh, it's just a dead end. Oh god the amount of time wasted we've had in this season is unreal It's all Yeah, well, you know what it'll speed up in season two. I'm sure of it which means it'll get Historically worse. I imagine Oh, you heard what the day right or yesterday There was an article that the saran's going to be like walter white That shirt is priceless. What the fuck do you mean walter white? And they compared the first season to like batman begins and next season's going to be like a dark night like comparing They essentially admit a paragraph they're like well all the things you wanted to happen in the first season are going to happen in the second It's like what you just and they're all it's going to be more canonical Oh, I'm like, I can't believe they're saying this out loud like these guys are idiots. They're freaking idiots Did you I am not walter the gray I am walter the white Um, I've told us with the the the dog's strange to video, right? But like the amount of comments said by the actors all the people who make this stuff that makes everything worse We had one instance recently Gary, do you see what patty conceding said about the series and his journey so far in house the dragon? Have you seen it yet? I've seen some of it. I've seen Extendedly explained like a lot of inspiration for the portrayal of the role was how he saw his own He was either his mother or his grandmother how she deteriorated over time because of diabetes and stuff he was saying how When a person like loses parts of themselves, they still try their best to sort of Be involved and you still see parts of them within them and that he wanted to bring that level of humanity to the series And that he was so thankful they allowed him to and I was just like holy shit this is like Really um, he said he was talking about how as well that like In his last moments, he just wanted to make sure he could Do everything he could like put everything into like he was hanging on for them and stuff And I was like this is not only references that can be supported by the show But it's stuff that maybe some people didn't pick up on and can benefit from Compare that to all this other shit like patently evil or super toxic people that need to be put in their places Shut the fuck up talking about the characters. Oh, wait, you can't because nobody knows what the characters are in this fucking show I don't have any they're all but they're all dumb assholes morons complete morons and like when you get to the end Like just pick a character pick any main character and follow their quote-unquote Throughline from beginning to end and tell me where any of it makes sense It's all contrived events that just happened for the sake of the script that lead to next contrived event You know random occurrences, you know Oh that I just tossed this meat roll right next to the leaf and it happened to kill the cancer in the leaf And then I tossed the leaf down to the bottom and oh, there's a freaking There's a bow rock down there. It's supposed to be, you know, uh hibernating But apparently he's just a wake down there like well you kind of A leaf dude that would set off anybody totally No, it's it's really It's the worst. I mean, yeah, it's it's worse than star trek discovery. I know you guys didn't watch it but like it's It's Bad. There's no dodge that would I actually did watch that. I didn't think there would be a worse female lead on screen than michael bernum But since then since then we've had she-hulk and galadriel in the same months. So that's been impressive Yeah, and they both ended Well, she-hulk hasn't ended for us until next week, so That's when we're covering it, but we'll tackle that what we get to it. Um Oof. Yeah, I know that last episode is something else Dude that article that came out too The family evil one. No way the toxic man one, right? The one the fuck you to the marvel fans. Yeah. Yeah, that's really that's an excellent look just top notch They really know what they're doing Outdid patently evil I didn't think they could but they did. I'm not sure that out does padley evil dude Like calling me patently evil or saying fuck you I thought Evie I thought the evil one was worse, but no, I mean it's going back to that point earlier It's a really useful counter example You get patty conceding who clearly puts lots of thought into depicting his character and what the character actually means Um, and then you have tatiana mislany saying yeah, well, we all know that no one likes female superheroes So fuck you guys and just a given Oh my even though Even though marvel have been playing catch up to wonder woman since 2017 like right they realized everyone liked that They just like rip on sense bullshit. You just there's mentioning violet nalash the girl And she even made a comment about it's really difficult for female superheroes to even take up space in this universe I'm like you do realize that's not an original creation and she's So annoying to me because they only started trying to focus giving like Women, uh, the solo films when they were like wait, this is viable I thought it wasn't and it's like no you can No, it's just it's purely it's just coincidentally It it's or it's not a coincidence. It just happens to align with our values now Fucking annoying. This is what we thought all along Yeah pretending like they've been this way the whole time or something like oh, we've never made women movies because you guys hate the Ball or something. It's like no Never wanted to and it it's not like wonder woman was the first like as in the 2017 movie was the first Email-led superhero thing that people enjoyed Gosh, whatever anyway back to how do you explain how do you explain? Electra That was just a bad movie. I think You just hate women. I do they get a they get everywhere based in Yeah, so King durin is like you were a shitty baby and then I made sure you were okay because I'm nice I put you next to fire and it made you better and I was like, oh man, you're gonna be king someday. It's gonna be great and then Durin is like what how am I gonna do any of that cool awesome good Leader stuff if you're gonna stop me at every single time I try to do anything and like the conversation seems to Be doing going somewhere that I guess I would call vaguely interesting, but then I guess durin says Uh, I like elrond as much as I would like anybody like a brother He could have been fired in the womb of my own mother or something Which is like calm down, man. You not only did he abandon you for two decades, but you've known him for very little Like you seem to not know of it all really you feel this way about people you've known for just a week God the entire conversation Is like a whiny 13 year old complaining through his parents. Yeah like about his true love that he's known for a couple days You know like right. This is the one. This is the one. Yeah, um And yeah, the dad just is like how dare you Compare him to that bringing your mother into this. Fuck you. You're shitty person. Then he's like no fuck you You're a shitty person I found that line kind of strange I wouldn't have read that as this is dragging your mother down so much as it is lifting elrond up I guess it's that's how Strange to me Which implies that he just fucking hates elves. Yeah, which they haven't given us much context for we just have to go with it It's like all right And if if his dad was like super racist against elves and elves are super racist against dwarves And they didn't get along because whatever reason first off would be more reason to bring up the whole We co collaborated on a tower thing. Exactly What happened? Why why do you hate elves so much? I mean, I mean, we're all there at this point But why do you hate elves? Right? We all have our reasons Like why why do you have so much distress? Why do you do hate is it elrond personally? Because he's a lying conniving bitch or is it because you just don't like elves and what's going on? But we don't get these insights into why people feel the things that they feel Yeah, and then he's like your you lose your uh, your neck Thing wearing like a little neck neck thing and he dad takes it off him and says you don't deserve that anymore I don't know what that means In terms of during all I guess he's not got any political power In the minds anymore. I thought he'd like disowned him Yeah, I thought it was like disinherited Well, the thing is like he he's still hanging out right like we see him later. Yeah, that's it makes I read that as kind of are they saying that he's no longer the heir for example That's what I think This is like the proto crown like the next in line. Where's the the king collar It's just it's just inconvenient that the first time anyone really even noticed the collar was when it was taken off of him So we have no idea what it is or what it's in the eyes I was actually bringing that up when he took it off. I was like is that a significant thing? Oh, it is. Yeah, okay I just thought it was something It's not quite like a crown. Is it you'd expect maybe he has like a smaller crown I'll always recognize a crown. You're the only person wearing the crown But that collar is like that just means a dwarf and a tire that should that could just be in vogue Underneath the mountain right now. I don't know So anyway poppy's eating food. I learned her name recently proud of myself. She's always been known as the fat one, but now I take a lot of pride that only took me a whole season to figure out what even her name was Poppy Pratt Hello Yeah, she's Poppy round fellow Guys, we are we find out the uh, totally not Gandalf has fixed the whole orchard I guess all growing back loads of wonderful fruits and vegetables. I don't even know um And it's There's a little thing about this a little bit weird like they are packing up the entire thing ready to move on I guess and it's like, okay. This is what an estimate of about 30 of you guys, right? They're not leaving, right? I don't know but like they pluck all of it And it's just like I don't think you're gonna be able to eat this in time and that's gonna keep for what like A week at most maybe even less That's that's pushing it without refrigeration and just baskets. That's really pushing it. Yeah a couple days But they treat this as though it is going to become a like a supply that will last them forever and it's like No This is gonna leave that on the tree sort of until you're ready to Yeah Unless you have people just read just roasting it and salt and everything I don't know if you consult fruits that probably taste really shit, but I don't know They're doing this montage where they're like they're fucking ecstatic that they've got this huge supply, but it's like it's not gonna Can you pick it all too bad? Yeah, I don't know Fine whatever there's a reason for this that goes beyond any of that We're supposed to present this as really positive because a real negative is coming. Okay That's you up to Really make you sad they spot tracks. I think they think it's it's just a footstep. It's not even uh I don't even know what it would be. They would assume it is There's fine Yeah, because I was going to say it wouldn't belong to the creepy demon people right because they're behind I think it's meant to Oh, okay, if it is them then Oh, why didn't you take this with her That the whole I don't know she drops her bucket for no reason at all It's like you can't carry that it literally leaves a sign that they're supposed to be great at hiding She's that terrified is that she she drops the bucket immediately because that's how It's supposed to show how Concerned and worried she is so fuck the bucket Fuck I I thought them hiding Was like a reflex like animals do they that they always have a built-in response So they shouldn't really panic when it comes to it I wish they would freeze like the goats and just go like stiff. They would get paralyzed and just wobble over The vision is based on movement Yeah, whenever they're surprised they just off they just get paralyzed uh So the creepy creepy demon people Go find the flower that came out of the the ash and tree the the knock gandalf made and like nori Sees them and they're clearly I don't know how this works But one of them just points to the distance and they all start heading over there as if to imply they can track gandalf Like perfectly. I don't know how they just do I I thought the reason because they they're pointing and they're going to the village which which gandalf was left So that's the reason obviously that nori jumps out and tries to misdirect Before that i'm suggesting. I don't know how they can track him, but they just can like I guess Yeah, I don't know. Maybe no reference to that in the show Maybe that little staff that they have is a homing device Which we can just make me wonder why they needed to go to that tree first. Should I just take them directly to Maybe it was on the way maybe it tracks all of his movements, but yeah, anyway, like It's on the way they were headed into the tree area and they just happened to cross by the stream So anyway, nori is like hey, whoa idiots. He's he's going the other way not that way fools And I guess she was just trying to trick them And so one of them takes an acorn out of her hair Which is just like why and then in response to that her dad is like i'ma get you with my fire You best not harm her hair on her foot No, their feet are more important. That's why the foot stabbing happens later If You know how if you stab it's like if you stab someone in the thigh It could cause internal bleeding because of how big the you know blood vessels and that's what it is for hard Foot's actually you stab on the foot almost certain death Anyway, hard foot dad fails to remember fire is cold in this universe Yes, it doesn't do anything cool This is like the fifth instance of fire not being hard Fire just isn't fire anymore Except what it is We need to recognize however it it's it's a normal thing for every other show But we need to recognize that this is a father concerned with his daughter's safety And actually kind of does something about it Oh, I guess so Totally that guy has been mostly okay He's like the one half that actually gets away with all of the bullshit because he never suggested to leave anyone behind He doesn't seem like he would Yeah, he seems to be worried. He had that one good conversation with his wife in the cart He's been generally okay What little we've gotten of him a little bit cringe, but you know, that's okay. You can be a little His biggest problem is the Stockholm syndrome But he knows these people want to murder him and leave him and he's still like desperate to catch up through all the time He's got no other friends, okay We'll get the cringe line later. Yeah, the cringe line will be next episode Uh Anyway, in response to this the creepy demon people just set all of this stuff on fire All of their precious precious apples and resources see and that's why we we had the montage of them being super happy about getting it All and I was like, oh no, it's all gone. Um, why wouldn't they just burn the people? Also, so I'm thinking why why is no one in bed asleep at this time? It's it's night time I thought that's what the implication was because some of them are like screaming like like This is and I thought oh shit. Is there like people some people in there? They're being cooked alive, but no But no, I don't think so. Yeah, I think it's just the apples and I I has it say just right. I understand it's shelter on his food but So I wonder about these demon people were they like Okay, so we want to kill them, right? And then it's like no, we wouldn't want to do something so harsh Like what should we do? It's like doing all of this stuff Like that's a bit I just kill You're just evil. Yeah Fuck with them. You want them to starve or you want to destroy all their possessions but not kill them Feels really weird to me that they decided to set all of their shit on fire and that's it Yeah Really feels like they were just being petty like yeah. Well, fuck your shit. Let go away Yeah I don't want to make of it. Uh, these people are obviously just pure evil Uh, we get that confirmed in the form of this skeleton boss thing that happens next episode This is going to be a weird thing to talk about but uh Yeah, they're just assholes and I think that's the point of this scene to be like see look how mean they are the hobbits are nice They did that How horrible and it's like Right, I thought it was perfect So Back to the numinorean camp So this is the first time we've even seen it by the way. I guess it got set up at some point I don't even know Sometime. Yeah, I guess at some point they set up a camp even though as far as we know You've literally had no time to do so you wrote in on your horse. Yeah logistically like when would this have been done? I guess after they defeated a dar and before the volcano erupted After they captured all the horses that they couldn't have brought across the fucking ocean No, no, we established in the last video. They flat-packed the horses. So that was fine Or the giant net plan that I had put the net at the back of the ship and just throw them all into the net It doesn't matter if they drown. Yeah, we'll give them CPR when we get onto land The strongest will survive Horses can swim. This is um, this is within sight of the ocean, isn't it? So like my guess would be They landed they left some people behind by the shore and they built this place What's the rest of them wrote off like one guy with a series of ikea packages? Like oh geez We're a giant mountain range before they got into the southlands too So also near the mistake you're making that gary is that it turns out actually every significant place is right next to everything Okay I paid attention to the map. That was my mistake. Sorry Isn't that great that they show you the map called silly. They don't pay attention to it at all It's like why'd you even hang out about this? You're reminding us how much you don't care about how anything works From here on the Lord of the Rings they went on like a journey. Oh, no Fuck that No These days am I right? Right you want to go to? Ah Yeah, Isildur's horse is running amok and I need a land deals like I'll sort it out And then the other guy is like you can't As if to imply Isildur's the only one that can speak horse to this horse It's like didn't Isildur ride that horse for five minutes I think they say it bonds with you during battle Let's move with the jump off it Yeah Is there excuse to do the Aragorn thing that that's all they're doing is just we saw Aragorn tame his horse and the horse was loyal to him and it went to rescue him when everyone thought he was dead so Yay, we get a reference I suppose More horses are trained to be you know disciplined and that sort of thing because horses are dumb skittish creatures So just because you're you're you're your guy gets lost and your horse has ptsd I don't know man. I feel like that wouldn't really happen them A horse is bonded. They'd probably kill it and just eat it They're not half Alendil was the one Alendil was the one who spoke about the horse bond So she should know that if this horse is acting like this it could be a sign that my son is alive No, he doesn't care about his son. We went over this. He doesn't give a fuck about his son for some reason Remember he left the village without looking for his son. Oh, did sort of Bronwyn you didn't even look for a queen Oh, yeah, you're right. Bronwyn just fucked off too. Yeah, I'd our ender. Yeah, I wish them recapitulating The horse cares more about his son than he does. Yes. Yes. That's I'm writing Yeah, although we just see my favorite line. We should have left the alpha in the sea Oh, we're getting to that That's before this is after it's on the horse scene No, it's during the horse scene in it. Is it I thought he says it to Muriel He says to Muriel Well, well, no, he says it to himself Oh, I think you're right. Yeah, I remember there being a smaller reference and then he's like way more over about it. Um, well I'll grab it in sex. I just didn't see it. But I was just gonna say because you just reminded me Yeah, he thinks uh, Theo thinks that Bronwyn was dead and then she's like right behind him Like I'm fine and it's so funny because it's like did they forget she lost like all of her blood hours ago? They just She's like perfectly fine now She's back up to full strength It's like you were you were like hobbling around when the volcano went off and now you want me to believe it healed you Is that how that worked the volcano like if you're a main character, it'll give you elf That that was why the oil is amazing. Okay. Yep It was like a full body quarterization It feels like it's worth emphasizing the eruption of mountain doom Like look at the damage it caused like nothing like fuck all like most people survived Well, they're not better. They panned around the room. There was a guy who'd lost his leg There's some people like screaming stuff is just it didn't do anything to the main characters All the other people got annihilated Oh a muriel lost his sight I guess there you go. Yeah, that's not to the volcano. Not to the volcano. You're right. Yeah. Yeah, she lost it to a house I don't know how she's blocking her eyes are great. I think she's faking it probably is she just wants to go home Maybe the I missed something but Most of them have been on foot and they've been walking from not too far away from the volcano To this camp and which they've already arrived where the skies are clear and blue And there is no sign or symptom of what just happened at all. So how far have they actually come? And I don't know I have no idea 3000 miles They wrote they wrote for six days without sleep. So it's fine. Yeah, they've escaped. Oh, well, we're not there yet Oh, yeah, that's that's not even that far away actually because we're coming to the end of the episode I wouldn't say we're we're nearing But yeah, then he'll says um in an hour's time we can leave to go back to numinal and it's just like wow Holy shit, man That you're just gonna leave People who are like in agony and this absolute calamity and you don't even know if you found everyone yet And you're just like we're going fuck this out Yeah, like absolutely fuck both of these characters for this decision. Seriously Like literally three days Haven't they right like it's not even there it took him two days to get there. So it's like you've been here for three days Not only that it's just that this is not the time to leave yet. You've got so much work to do If anything you could not leave for even longer than you probably Yeah assumed for like there is a new realm of pain and horror that has been welcome for your very eyes Which let's be real you guys fucked up This is partly on you and you're already leaving like it's too difficult They really fucked us up. Yeah, um, but they're gonna be leaving soon So you better hurry with that and uh when she arrives Galadriel to have a chat with her Uh, you see a lead deals face. Holy shit. He is absolutely furious that she exists now I'm just like dude. Thanks for joining the team. It took you a while, but your reasoning isn't quite as sound as ours I don't think He's uh, he blames galadriel for all of this I don't understand how And she she then blames herself for it, doesn't she but then she's told I think by maryl that it's not all of all her fault That's that's kind of true in the sense that it was it was maryl and farazon who Rescued random elf who they hated. Yes locked in prison. She broke out There was another guy who they didn't know who was also imprisoned Both of them have broken many laws and as soon as she says give me an army to go to middle earth They say yeah, okay, fine. So actually if there's fault amongst anyone here It's probably the people who took that decision because You're the most incompetent ruler of all the incompetent rulers there have ever been It's like we were asking in earlier episodes that were taking place in numinor If you went up to any of the people who seemed like they were really thrilled to go To middle earth. I'm like, do you guys know Why you're leaving why you're going to this war like actually tell me. Why are you going? Do you know anything about anything? Imagine being one of the people who said I ain't fucking volunteering for this suicide mission of nonsense and then Couple couple what four or five six days later. You're just chilling. You're playing a little xbox And you're like, oh the guy's back and you're like, oh, why are they back so early? What happened? Well, the queen is blind. We've lost two thirds of our men. They're Hannocked bloodied and wounded and they say they need help. Also a volcano went off next to them. It's like Too far ahead of ourselves, but like the guy we followed in the battle as the king Could we have fucked up any worse? Yeah, can we have reinforcements like We're never going to middle earth again. Also, you're fired. He's like, just let us know. What did you gain? They're like, okay, that that's gonna be difficult to exploit. Right? The list isn't very long But yeah, one thing we didn't want to happen No, it's just but then there's some Irritating sort of world cockery that goes on next as well there because I think it's is it they seem Where brahman turns up and says And she's talking about um, how they're gonna move off to I think it's pelagia they mentioned Yeah, just after which is an old numinorean settlement as they describe it So again, this this this is it was irritating when they first said that well We've not been to middle earth for decades centuries even and it's portrayed as like this is the first Adventure in middle earth. They were all going on together And I was annoyed at the time because no they should have been settled there for eons anyway Now it turns out they were but apparently they just all cocked off at some stage So pelagia is just an empty old settlement But if they used to be here then they must have known a lot more about the place they were going to invade Then they actually did know when they took the decision to invade So I think they just name dropped it because hey, it's the law But I don't think they've actually understood what that entails for the world building stuff No these these I like It I mean it uh if it looks like a duck a quacks like a duck these show runners are inexperienced They're morons so they're even making like good right like jennifer hutchins worked on breaking bad And better call sol but they make it look like she's uh an 11th grade Writer who looks like that she shouldn't have been passed on to the next grade and maybe repeated 10th grade Like that's how fucking bad This is Uh, and you're right like to bring that up like for one They're all fighting for that town of like that shithole town of hovels and they're like wait There's an abandoned numinorean colony We haven't got that yet because I was gonna say not only is that town a bad and shitty This hole's underneath it everywhere from all the caves the orcs dug You don't even know how stable that ground is anymore. I don't know how gooey it is Remember when they graze on the orcs land the the fucking cows but get black milk. I don't even I don't even know if we're gonna develop that. Yeah, I don't know It's just evils is jenni just I think it's like the tree goo. Yeah the tree goo. It's it's god is so fucking stupid, but Cow goo and tree goo Showed us the citadel of fucking like records that uh myrials dad like saved Yeah, so you think you'll be curious about it Maybe go on that day's ride herself and learn of a couple of things like some histories Being a queen region, you know, this is just an argument why women shouldn't be queen Well, I mean it would have been interesting for them to discover that there's an evil dark lord who's gathering powers in this location And it's all mapped out. It's like well, that's all in that one place neat Yeah, she's marking people with a big m It's like if I put an s they know it's sarod so I put an m And somebody else will name the the land from mordor. Oh, we're actually getting that soon. Oh, that wonderful thing. I can't wait for us to talk about this Oh So I forgot about all the dumb things from the last episode. This is Great Yeah murals like woohoo. Yay. We'll do it. We're gonna come back. We're gonna fight with you and the elves gonna be great captain Let us leave There's like this awkward silence. She's like captain and he's having a moment He's like having a cry And I just love this for the awkwardness because she's she's blind, right? So she's like I got hello Hello Galadriel has to say oh, he's over there. He's just galadriel is not blind Yeah, so as you can see from this shot. Galadriel's looking at him and you could imagine Galadriel's is like Well, he there. He's just uh, give us Did he lose his hearing and she lost her sight? What happened? Oh tragic They were all looking at him. Well, yeah, even murals looking at him Like it's just funny because murals the only one who's just like guys. Everyone's quiet. Hello. Like What's what's going on? Is he is he dead? Like what what the fuck happened? And you just know that they would have been an awkward end to that scene, but they cut they cut so it's fine Is run when they're Oh, yeah, yeah Shouldn't she be healing people who are like gary? She said she said all of our wounded The bones have been set and the wounds have been like bandaged or whatever. We're ready to leave That's what she says like fuck you did that fast. Oh, my god. Is that good? Yeah, normally you do it fast era medical Yeah, an emergency medical services, right? This is this is after a volcano hit them Exactly. They have no resources as far as we could tell but half a day. You're good Yeah, and there's no way that they they haven't found a seal door. So we know that they haven't found everybody Yeah, you haven't gone back to check and you've abandoned them to death I suppose god you guys are all legendary and it's like yeah Well, we found a numinorean outpost that seems to be abandoned has good land good fortifications and good people there It's like what the why the fuck didn't you go there the whole time you have to go during the orc invasion Did you just suddenly invent this because the season's over? This is like this is this awesome place We're going to go to now. Bye Yeah Toodles It's actually a really good thing If they end up going to this place in season two and it's like a castle or some shit. I'm going to be so pissed off It'll probably be some great We decided to defend a village that was holy and open on all sides instead of going to the castle with many resources It turns um, it turns into the main fortified port of gondor So and it was pretty big when they first built it. So yeah, it's it should be Very well fortified and stocks and defensible There's a very good chance. We'll have a new president by the time season two comes out I mean, it's you might be married with kids by the time season two comes out Well, how many years are they saying it's gonna take Like I think it's twenty seven four right Two and a half Two and a half years per season. So we're gonna get this shit for like how long is that Over a decade Yeah I'm gonna be oh my god Yeah, no, you just start my goodness well, there's some job security for you right there So I just started filming season two, right? Yeah Yes, they have Like a year I could see that being the case The showrunner said it's gonna take a couple of years. It sounds like they're retooling absolutely everything I mean that doesn't surprise me at all. This is like a huge commitment in terms of the amount of money that's going into this it needs to Yeah, I mean, I'd be curious Yeah You guys knew you were like because they are committed to five seasons. Why weren't you filming back to back like Back to back with like seasons one and two three and four and maybe five or seven or All of them separated really By massive amounts stretches It's gonna cost them so much more money too by doing it that way um It probably does but I guess it's maybe like Whatever that commitment is the more stuff you film the more locked in you are the less you can you can change Depending on how people respond to it and how catastrophically it's received Yeah, and I think I think that's kind of I guess that's kind of the funny thing Right like for as much as you can have like press interviews where it's like, yeah, we don't really care It's like but you do though like things are changing like you you are you are maneuvering and changing Because of the feedback because you know, it's you're not happy with this outcome. Surely Like people aren't really I don't know. I just don't see people talking about this show that much But when it does come up, it's mostly negative Like there's no way. Yeah, it's either negative or man. How's the dragon's good though? And of course, you know a big litmus test as well is and it's going to be the same for she-hulk Which I mean coincidentally both of them ended this week. Is anybody going to be talking about them next week? Is anybody going to be talking about that great moment and rings of power? No No, I don't think so The only way somebody's talking about them is that they uh, tell us to fuck off again. Like that's it You know what it'll be really funny if it's like when's house of dragon season two They're like, oh, you know what? We're not sure and then rings of power go. We're coming out in 2025 and then house dragon 2025 That's what we'll be out here What day are you opening now? Oh, yeah, we'll be the week before yeah, and we'll end the week after One and week after it was such an own it was great. It comes across as way too deliberate to be at this point like it Yeah, somebody whipped out there johnson on the table Season two is filming in the uk and not new zealand. Yeah, they moved Uh, is that because it's too expensive to shoot in the day? So they're gonna go like into because I mean it means that anytime we see mountains like big mountain ranges Is probably going to be visual effects, right? Like there's no they're still filming some stuff down that they published when they're filming second unit stuff like filming landscapes or actually The they're not going to new zealand again Well, no, they they did name there was a Like one of the documents came out and they named the three one was in edinbrodie ones in london and one And they did mention new zealand. They didn't name the buildings or anything. It was just like the nations Well, I figure it might be second unit, right for like landscape shots and stuff Here's down there because of the covet restrictions they that they the they skyrocketed the cost to where even the tax breaks didn't even help Uh, plus plus amazon was already building this massive studio that's going to have volume in it These huge investments for this show like And yet, I don't know it's huge to the building. I forgot to score footage. It's like it's some ridiculous number Like how big When they build it To lord of the ring is the rings of power that the very well-received widely highly All right, so back with the half-foot and uh, oh No, it just it's the kind of thing the scene begins. Oh my god not the half That's every time you try and give it a chance to just force flatness face immediately so uh Nori's like sitting there despondent probably because of the fact that she feels harshly guilty at least for this And the dad is like Don't worry. It's gonna be all right. You know, we need to help us get to work And the mum says don't lie to her. She's too old for that now like What the fuck? Tell her that things are shit and it's her fault and fuck off Just sit on that just sit there and die is essentially Tell her to kill herself What a twat like, you know, you're trying to make your kid feel better and then the mum is like, don't do that Tell her the truth. The world is shit World is shit and we're harphids You know, all right She thinks like this normally you'd get maybe one doom say a character like that and everyone else would be You know slap him and tell him to pull themselves together But apparently almost all this is the default mentality for the harphids because Lenny Henry says much the same thing So we're all gonna die anyway This is just what they do The moment something goes wrong their default presumption is well with slugs. So What's the point? Because yeah, you're right He follows up with saying like come on brandy foot. Give us some time to weep It's like Jesus Christ do not evoke A certain other moment in a different movie that was way better than he I assume you guys all know what I'm referring to but yeah That's not what he was saying. He wasn't saying like you're not allowed to have feelings. He was saying that it's gonna be okay That's a harphid rule. You're not allowed to have feelings And it was like suck it up and carry on like solve the problem before you just like collapse on yourself It was great advice It's like weeping is that all you think we have left in us and once again I'm like fuck you're having two different conversations. So this isn't to each other Like what what kind of response is that when it's like, uh, let us have time to weep and he's like you think that's all we have left in us Like well, no, I just mean the right now. Can we weep? It's like why is I'm switching between my favor of these characters based on how stupid the other one is like Oh, he's like, you know that good writing Yes, that's how you get intelligent characters by making everyone around them stupid Was it wasn't a breaker who said that they like they took either just random lines Or what I'm thinking is lines from peter jackson's lord of the rings and wrote him down on little pieces of paper Yeah, and then darts adam and that's how they added a whole bunch of Yeah, they have no idea why any line is actually there. They're just like hopefully this is coherent. I don't know I already jumped the next episode But like I there's something actually worse in it than you have not seen what I have seen And and it was just a little scene and it was between elrond and um Dyladry How was it here? How was it? I remember The neither of them answer those questions. They they had the scene just like he like nods as if oh, yeah, well played You know what true So Based in harford piled Yep We get a little speech from the guy and my god this this this set you off rags I think but it sets everybody off basically they're like, you know, there is there are creatures out there Some of them have their minds or their forests or their kingdoms or whatever like referencing all different kinds of races And stuff and he's like but harford's We stay true to each other That's what we do Are you talking about? Can you believe that after everything we've seen really My office into a house of liars the most backstabbing cruel callous Unfeeling malicious little fuckers They contemplated stealing their wheels to leave them to starve in toil Like you can quote me on this but at least orcs will stab you in the front It wasn't even contemplate she actually like she was telling him that he should do it It's only because he was horrified that they didn't actually happen She was more than willing to go down there do it herself it's just They're a horrible community. They don't stick together. They do the opposite of that If you can't keep up tough titties like see you later. See you in the afterlife like But if you do keep up, we'll we'll make sure you can't Yeah, we'll make sure we laugh at your ass If you do keep up we'll sabotage your efforts to stay alive And if you die, we will mock you. We will laugh at you like the guy who got killed by bees Yeah, we'll create chance when we and when you're starving to death. We'll surround you and watch you as the life Fades from your eyes. They even doubled down on it in like a couple of seconds And one of them uses unironically uses the line. We've we've left too many people behind Yeah, no You've nobbled them and probably you've engineered their demise amongst yourself It does make you wonder about those stories like the bees and turns out they've just covered him in honey and stuff Got him doing That's why it was so funny You just get those the fucked up imagery of like a really dark forest these red eyes And they're feasting on one of their own and it's just like oh Jesus the half-foot's run Yeah, it's like the fucking basement it from the road It's just terrifying Yeah, he says we got we got that that fucking I think it's a trailer live Why do you think Patty's gonna have your fattening up Patty? It's the only explanation we poppy Poppy whatever Bunch of little cannibals that would make more sense It would I honestly I think they've given us enough information To infer that they are I'm pretty sure we know Yeah, he says we got hearts bigger than our feet But he looks into the camera. He's they're so proud of that line Yeah, you're right. He does look right into the camera. Jesus. That's kind of creepy. What you imagine that that is weird Yeah The fine line if this wasn't a good show I'd be like, oh, that's cute instead. It's like, oh, you are a bastard So anyway, uh nori decides from that inspiring speech She's gonna go grab not gandalf and warn him about the coming demon people which is Interesting because they're ahead of you They're way ahead of you like a day. Yeah, like you ain't gonna be able to ward him of shit Whatever's gonna happen to him has happened to him. Yeah, you have to know where Wizard is you have to know where the cringe squad is and you have to be able to get there fast enough To reach one without bumping into the other along the way Yeah, and you're logistically, he's just like a full grown man. He can presumably walk faster than you Absolutely. He won't They even reference it. Yeah, like you you've got big legs. You could walk fast. We can't I think it's sadaki says that I just thought it was funny that You suggest this the sadaki is like going off trail now as if to be like This is it. This is it. Oh, she's going off trail guys She thought going off trail was bad, but she's gonna deliberately go off trail now She's not gonna go alone. Her friend's gonna come with her. Remember it was nobody goes off trail. Nobody walks alone This is someone's going off trail and they're going with someone supposed to do that We would never allow someone to do that. Oh, yeah Chungus says she'll go with it and then the mum says I'm going with them. It's like why Why are you gonna do you guys have never done this before you always abandon What's going on and then what I was like, they're gonna need Someone who knows how to track if they want to catch up fast sadock you go with the trail finder, right? Yeah The dad is just gonna let the mother of his children possibly he doesn't question If you remember his reaction to his say I'm gonna go is are you sure it's not no, I should go Oh, you shouldn't go. It's too dangerous. He just goes. Yeah, okay. I guess what You're gonna go fight the fucking fire spewing demon people and you're just like well. Good luck. Love hope you're all right They have to have three girls to one guy. That's a pattern. I've noticed in the show, by the way Well, he gets killed. So it's three girls to no guys Yeah, well, you gotta make them expendable. They have to find a new a new red shirt male Fucking die A man is the new red shirt New red shirt And the and the woman that suggests that he go is the one that said I think we should go Take their wheels and like kill them all. You know what it'd be really wonderful If just once you weren't right all the time I was like, I know Smock like she's like, oh, thank you This is such a good idea this thing that we're doing right now. Aren't we smart and correct for doing this? Yep Yeah, so she didn't badly It shouldn't let any Henry be suspicious that the woman who is literally five minutes ago advocated You know de-wheeling her comrades is essentially forcing him to go off on the adventure to tackle the five breathing witches I would be thinking Yeah That's something I just can't believe that I I legit what I was watching. I was like, what's the plan guys You understand that they could annihilate all of you. What are you doing? What's what are you gonna? What's the plan? It's gonna wake up to a would say don't be mean They seem to have exploded all of your carts with the power of thought I don't think that you need to be fighting them your heart. Yeah, what the fuck is I feel like they're out of plan Kill them with the body order. That's what I think kill them with kindness Not that they have any but no, but they have plenty of body order. So they can kill them with that Yeah, they just put their feet on their face By the way Elfman has just fallen out of this story. He gets one moment here He's just like, do you think the queen will come back and glad you're like, I know she will Elfman. Oh don lemondess. Okay. He's he doesn't he doesn't do anything in this episode nor the next one He's just kind of gone Yeah, you forget about him and bronwyn Everyone wants to do that with all the characters. Oh, yeah, what the fuck Well, they're in the tent. They just like meet up in the tent all of our characters. They was like, oh, hi mom I'm glad you're not speaking out rags Uh in this conversation He mentions. Oh, yeah, you know, by the way Uh, since our king is injured now or whatever and then the guy was like, wait, what what your king is like Oh, yeah, hall brand. He's he's since last night We grabbed him and been trying to heal him of a spear wound to his belly He's in one of the tents. Sorry. We didn't let you know that the king of man that you provided us Who is clearly one of your like closest friends is currently dying And it's weird that you didn't ask any of us where he was, but okay. Yeah, now we're doing this It's like what the fuck Half this episode with these characters is them playing catch up with finding people I This was like a whole plot line that was put on pause. It was like we can't do this yet We got to do some other stuff Hullberg can be literally be put on pause and then we'll press play as soon as the queen leaves It's so weird. You don't see stories run like this often absolute absurdity Because collateral if you remember we were complaining about this near the beginning, right? She hears babies screaming and she's like hall brand a lead deal It's like, oh, she really cares about those characters. She found a lead deal. She gave up on hall brand, I guess It's really the state of him like that guy could not get on a horse How'd he get lanced in the belly by an orc when he was right next to all these people in that street the Volcano went off. Did he run away into the forest to get stabbed and then run back? Well, I assumed it was self-inflicted I just uh, I have no idea what Yeah, how did that happen? I don't know. When did you get stabbed? Were you not wearing armor there? I guess I went through your armor. So some people saying he's faking it. So he gets surgery from elves I don't know. Yeah, but did he did he stab himself in order to be taken to the elves? Which is where he needs to be to enact his master evil Yeah, because Galadriel even says at one point something like when he says thank you She says what for bringing you here. So that's when she's kind of realizing But that's what kind of hilarious to think about if she's seen the wound and been like, yeah, that'll lead a few stitches You're gonna have to wait here. I'm gonna go to a reggae on now by Some shills out there are saying that like everything if you go back and watch everything is part of saran's plan Uh-huh. I'm just saying I feel like he couldn't have known Thing well, I know that it's it's fucking insane because if you go back and look at that like it would be impossible It's but I've actually mapped it out. I've got little notes on it. It's insane This isn't a show for maps all the time. You're saying I don't want to go back to mid-lith I just want to stay a new mineral and grill Stupid I'm just I'm now picturing like he walks over the horse goes around the court and grabs a spear goes To himself and he's like Oh, I didn't even know that I was wounded it must have been the adrenaline Then like pulls out the spear waddles over to them. Hopefully to get found that he was like, I feel He falls over just dies from bleeding out I remember in in episode one our ender said that the elves don't even have medics. So, right? I don't even know why they don't have Back in check Artifices They make beauty for the soul because they don't need medics So, um, yeah, I guess that was the plan. He needs to go to Reggae on so he's gonna Bake a wound quote-unquote. I I still think it's hilarious that that means he would have sneaked off to just get himself stabbed by himself Joel Okay You're a genius star on there was no way that he could have convinced Gladriel to go there with her for any other reason be it political or Anything else had to be that This is a fucking gamble Wait, so So this means that at this point in the story How brand Doesn't want so he doesn't want to be this Hmm. I'm trying to think about his motivations and where he is like his flipping point Because I've not I've not got a clue of Concern for all of you Don't try to think about the logic of what is about to happen like why he's going to reggae Make no fucking sense. It's As you've already pointed out if you draw him all the way back to being in the southlands And then going to the raft slash going to a ship and having it destroyed and ending up on a raft We're already stuck like why do you do that? Well, I think you have to think that he was being honest and human or when he said I don't want to go back I don't want to go there. You're dragging me back. I think all that has to be honest Because otherwise literally nothing makes sense Except that I just don't think that makes sense with what he later goes on to say his motive So I agree that that would you could extrapolate from that and make more sense of what we've been given Except for the big reveal moment where he reveals what his actual intentions are because I think his entire personality changes in that scene. Yeah Yeah, the implication is that he has been actively sar on this whole time But he's just been kind of conflicted on what he wants to do next, right? That's the idea by the time we hit the end he wanted to be good and then he was like, I guess I'll go I'll guess I'll go be king of the southlands. That's cool, but that doesn't mean he's evil It just means that he wants to be king now, I guess So, you know, he wants to be evil across that one come to it actually because there's a whole speech he gives Yeah, we're nearly the end of the episode Ladrill's like we're gonna we're gonna go now and Theo's like, hey, here's your sword back And she's like you can keep it which is just the fuck Why that's your sword he could get a sword whatever you guys have been on such a journey of You know, I like that she didn't even help him out the tent just because just because she's so short It would have looked absolutely ridiculous. Oh, yeah holding on for it Probably true He would like be bent over even half his height and he's still towering over He'd have to like stand behind him with both hands on his shoulders and something But yeah, he's uh, he's got this like seemingly almost fatal presumably wound that can only be healed by elven medicine A human medicine is not good enough. So now they begin their horse journey all the way to a reggae yard, which Uh, you could take a guess for how long that would take but we find out next episode because next scene jumps all the way over the road And I'm not a medic, but surely Bouncing up and down on a horse for six days and nights would tear your wound open Nah, it'll be fine Be favors. Yeah, you just want to put a lot of weight on your feet and on those stirrups. So you don't Maybe he got a bandage Well, he was hit by the volcano and I healed it That's true. I say till I find out it is a mysterious volcano that can do many things Quarter eyes of the word whilst it would say this Lee not frying your eyes Which is any other part of you And so back to the mine disa's like your dad is old and Super old and just just so old stubborn And you boys the old you're next up. So, you know, you're not old So, how about that wink wink nudge nudge? I don't know. She she seems to genuinely be coaxing him to depose his dad. It's really impressive. I'm good She goes full sith lord Like we we can mine all of it Then we'll rule not only this place, but every single mountain. It's like she changes entirely And if there was any justice, I didn't know you had this in you They wouldn't have the balls to do this But if there were any justice it would be that when they finally activate the balrog it would eat her It would like like she would be the character to suffer the most because she's the one that made all this happen sort of thing But they wouldn't they wouldn't do that. I'm pretty sure they're like, yeah, disa's great Great. Yeah, the one rumor I've heard is like she's been corrupted by the balrog and that Her singing is like communicating with it back and forth Why not Why not? I think people are desperately trying to fill in plot holes Yes, things which are far better than what will either It might actually get written in because they've read these stories like How do we explain these characters behavior? I don't know. She's sung to the balrog. Fuck it They probably have that's definitely happened in the past at a badger to write a has a look See it what people are saying and then like that's a good idea Yeah, I'll poach from the defenders of the show one of them might have a decent idea Well, uh patty Jenkins did it right defensively rape scene. She was like, oh, no, it's the carpentry on big Trust me commentary on rape um wait So durin king man Tosses the leaf through the little hole and says seal it up because he just doesn't care the mithril's right there He's like nah fuck that and we follow the leaf all the way down until it lands and then singes up into a flame It's like wait, what? What's going on there? And turns out uh as as was based in the trailer Which by the way was the entire footage of the balrog in this season They knew what they were doing with that one Here he is Oh gosh, they'll see almost chewed that up Oh boy, so It's a little bit confusing in terms of like wait Was he just woken up? or No evil doesn't sleep it waits remember So he's just waiting for someone He's just waiting for someone to dig a hole that he can go through then is it? Well, this is the just hates leaves He's sitting down there. He's been keeping it clean And now how evil can leaf on his floor, which he has to brush up. It's honestly it's so it's so bloody Exploitative that you could have and also it presumes stupidity on the audience's part If you just had the leaf go down and catch fire and maybe have a little growly noise Then you could say okay, I mean it's still irritating. They're doing it But at least they're sort of teasing us rather than actually just slapping it in our face You get the other thing I think which we're coming on to to do with the name change But you don't need to have this except for the for the trailer footage Just be a little bit more artful about the things you're exploiting Could have just fallen into the dark abyss and oh, that's spooky. Who knows what could be down there? I mean at this point with how evil all the characters are I'm full on the if they go down there It's a home invasion and he has every right to defend his own property. All right, so I'm full of full ball Rock reading It is difficult to sympathize with really anyone on the show Fall rock, of course. Yeah, I wanted to be left alone I just wanted to grill everything around me all the time Oh boy, what a mess It's so, um, there's just there's no cleverness. There's no Subtlety to it. It's like fuck it. Here's the Balrog. He's screaming at the camera like Yep, sure is Idney that's what that is what he's doing I remember the ballerog It's not even as though it's a build-up to anything because we've now got two and a half years to wait And I don't know that they'll even do the ballerog very early on in season two in which case it is just here It's only here to get the audience who are falling asleep by this point to sit up and take notice That's that's the salaries and of course for the trailer footage. That's it Uh, yeah, and I think it was just there for that We need it for the trailer footage where where's the place where we can fit it in Uh, kind of like that. Oh, that's next episode, but um that scene of uh slim uh slim lady Like when she gets knocked over she looks up really quick and it just looks like oh, that was show Yeah, like that was so bad. Um in time with the music Yeah, oh god Sorry about how how how little I remember anything about the music in this series It is extremely forgettable and yet at the same time it's trying so hard Yep, well, it's a strange way to do it normally for tv series and stuff You would film it all and then you would get the artist to make the music for the scene And they would watch it and score it at the same time Whereas in this they've just got a load of tracks and they've desperately tried to force it into all the scenes Which is why you keep hearing those same notes over and over and over again So the point where it gets annoying and especially the first two episodes I'm hearing my sleep now. It's uh To be honest with you But I think this balrog mode this is there like She hawks daredevil It is a little tease that we'll probably see right at the end and they just think well, this is what people want to see So we're gonna keep hinting at it I don't even know how they're gonna be able to do this though Like because as soon as he starts running a muck like that's gonna cause major problems The all of the dwarves, right? Gandalf will fight him They could do that Oh my god, you're right. They might actually do that like that. They're gonna do the obi-wan Kenobi thing Actually, he fought Darth Vader twice And you can already see the justification that they will use as well Which is that how did Gandalf automatically know in Moria that it was a balrog that was after them? Well, now now we know because Which brings us to the climactic ending Which is glorious and totally not insanely stupid and embarrassing So let me let me set this up for those who are not aware You have Ada the legendary orc captain elf man. Who's like, you know what guys? We did it. This is great Look at this place. Oh it's ours now Everyone's like woo-hoo Ada you're and you got a combination of this is great What a great day for orc kind and orcs. They're all just like Ada. You're a cool dude lord of the southlands Woo-hoo. Yeah southlands. Yeah And it was like southlands you know this place Place really that's that's a name for a different place a place that doesn't exist anymore. It's like, oh Well, what is this place called then? I think everybody on earth was like, oh is is adar about is the camera gonna zoom right into adar and he's gonna go It's called Mordor No, no, no, no, no. He's you have to roll the r's much annoying. I fucking hate mordor Let's say rolling ours Cringe, don't do it. Um, it would be what we would call a key jangle However, they ask him what it's called and he looks up and they have a shot of mount doom and everything and for a second I was like, are they gonna leave it there? Are they not gonna? That would be nice Then you see in the top left there says the southlands in text But it looks like morrow wind Go Thank you film, thank you very much. Thank you so much They did like they did the cringiest way possible if adar would have said it looking at the camera or whatever Mordor like that that would be better. Yes, that would be shit and cringe, but better than this Why Executive producers producers industry professionals professional editors Who are paid lots of money to change a font? Badly, yeah It looks like a preset thing that someone threw on they were like, oh that looks neat because it burns Yeah, I mean at one point later on when everyone automatically just comes and starts calling it Mordor again So I assume they were all watching the show that they're in she-hulk style in order to gain this information But it's like it's I don't know They put up signage Yeah There's usually this dichotomy that's drawn people assume that either the writers are dumb or the audience is dumb Genuinely think that this is sort of Both it's it's written by people with an IQ of 30 for people with an IQ of 15 And the writers genuinely in the land are blind Well, I don't think this was written like that I think originally this was the scene because that looks like an editor added it in with very little time just at the back end So I think it was meant to just go off to the volcano and the audience is meant to realize But then as they're editing it someone went, what if they don't understand? It's fucking insane to me because who cares if they didn't understand It doesn't change anything in their understanding of the story You can fucking call it Mordor in the first episode of season two. It'll be fine You really this was a fine opportunity for me to have actually complimented the show Been like you held restraint good for you But some fucking editor slapped his dick all over this fucking scene because he thought that nobody would understand He's like, you know Mordor, bitch And I don't worry guys. I'll make it real cool. I got this little birdie font. It looks so great. It's just so good You'll you'll you'll yeah, I paid $12 to someone It's just so lame I hope we get road signs in season two Welcome to Mordor Population, I don't even know lots I guess why are these trees still on fire? I don't know everything Like weeks at this point surely No, it's been a days, right? They all walks like at least tens of miles to get out of the range because we know the range is massive because The half-foot and then they got to pack up their entire base get it all on a boat go back To uh, well at least a significant way into the ocean They the writers could actually be in this call right now and they'd be like, what do you mean disbrew? That took place over half a day and I'd be like they probably believe that dude. They probably believe that they have no clue What's happening in this? The logistics they geography is so embarrassingly bad that like I could believe they think that it's been an afternoon And that's it since the volcano exploded Maybe yeah, how long has it been since the first episode to this one? I A week and I don't even know if the story's aligning off a year for all of the subplots Like I have no idea if they line up at all I don't know whether I'm like it's like where your brain makes images where they're not supposed to be But if you follow that plume of smoke at the top, that's not meant to be an eye. Is it? Oh god, I hope not Oh, hang on Because it looks like an eye, but I don't know if I already have the we have the eye staff that the sarin people I think you can interpret that. I think it's subtle. But yes, that looks like an eye It does they definitely they do a lot of eye stuff, especially in the last episode Because it even shakes like a curved well this episode was called the eye, right? Oh, it's true Yeah, because she goes blind so it's see it's thematically like great because sarin's eye and also she's blind It it's like poetry. It rhymes Beautiful. It's like poetry. It blinds I gave you that one All right, and that does that episode we did it and it only took three hours. All right next one So uh before that I think since it's the it's like a checkpoint of sorts. It's about time You let people know a great reality that is the case. It is linked At the very top of the description. So some may already know what that that would be. Well, you know Maybe you should talk about it. What am I talking about rags? Ah You are talking about the launch of the rags 2.0 plush. Oh my god Did you know that? Yeah, did you know that this Is amazing you can check it out at the link in the very top of the description You should absolutely do that and take a look at all of these wonderful pieces of photography that show this new design Where i'm laying down. I got my face and and what's that? I have a beer. I have alcatisms Because you know that I handle it very well, and I don't need the one you'll be fine It's only the one I will definitely be fine after a single beer, of course my little doggie body can absolutely Take that much alcohol undoubtedly It makes the movies better We need that more than ever these days. It's really good. I've got the um, they sent the of course the test one out And it is is a velcro beer. So if you want me Uh sans alcohol, then that is an option that you can explore and peruse at your whim But uh, yeah, it comes off. You can attach it there and I hold it and I sit there And I'm just having a great time. I'm having a great time watching rings of power Where or all's magical all's right in the world. Uh, so I we have um, but When you make sure that you know, uh and and take take care to remember that if you use the code rags r-a-g-s Then uh, you will and for this weekend only then you will get I believe it's 10 off So for yeah, it's a launch weekend a little bit of a sale And let me see what was the The the the arrangement with um, your plushies and mine was it Well, how did that work out exactly? Um, the because of the separation Yeah, it was it was buying mine and freeing it together got you 10 off yours is going to be With the the code for the weekend. I'd presumably Is uh, yeah, all right Uh, well because my uh, my weekend code is just r-a-g-s. It's just rags. It's the it's easy to remember emotional Yeah, promotional launch weekend Code that gets you a 10 off Um, of course smaller and fringy have already had theirs and those are incredible I cannot wait for them. Uh, this one just Took a little bit longer to make and get just right in a line. Look at how unique it is. Yeah, he's very different Design, yeah I got it next to my other one. I'm building a throne of ego over here And it looks very great. Uh next to the other one. They're distinctly different They got just a little bit of a difference to them, which I kind of like they're not all exactly the same But they uh, same character just sort of a different imagining of it I wanted to pick something That was really just near and dear to my heart my character's heart. So fringy has his goo mollar has his Serial cookie crisp I have my beer That's what i'm known for these days But I uh, but yeah, check it out. Please. Uh, it's a really cool thing Link in description really really good job with it available for limited amount of time Code rags gets you the 10 off and I assume that runs out. Is it like sunday night sort of thing or I believe it I don't know the exact time it is for the first 48 hours So as far as I know Then it will be for uh until one pm central on It's uh I don't know actually when it actually cuts off And because of that uncertainty you should buy it immediately big advantage right now. I'm gonna I'm gonna grab them soon Do not because I'm buying them Oh my god, I have I have nieces the enjoy It's it is a very very, um It's it's it's very versatile and who you can give you could give it to anyone You could give it to people you can give it to animals You could give it to aliens when they're like wait, but there's a beer bottle with it only too young I'll be like i'll just tell him his ketchup We'll catch up. Yes. Tell him tell him that it's uh, I had someone I showed this to someone and they said they asked if it was God, what was it? Something else not not not alcatisms Like something else I do like to be some Tabasco But it's hot Yeah, it is a sauce. It is a sauce. It's the sauce. Yeah Yeah, it's just it's sauce. That's all you gotta say. It's just sauce. And you know what it's it's velcro and detachable So if you want it to give to someone who's under 21 and cannot legally Drink alcohol in the united states then you just take it off And then when they turn 21 you can give them the present and it's a little velcro beer bottle To complete the rags plushie that you gave them years and years ago It feels crazy. There's such a usually three year difference between britain and america for Yep That is a that is an odd one. Yes You guys can come over three years earlier than when you're allowed to legally do it in your country. Well Wasn't always that way there was certain like it was left to the states right and the different states had different drinking Then they made them all comply used to be able to go down to teowana and drink when you're 16 Long time But yes, grab it now. Link in description on possibly in chat here and there will be uh, tell me about it Yes for as long as we can Obviously until it runs out of time. Uh, it's a 21 22 day counter. I guess you Can do it today Yeah, put it you got to get this one to uh match with your others with with your fringy and your molars You have to you have to do it. You don't want me to be lonely Oh That would be a crime possibly racist And oh the the elder torres are fine plague dogs are fine, but dogs aren't like not dogs That would be an interesting an interesting statement of preferences Is so It is time to break down episode eight the final fucker of rings of power Episode eight and it's a long one, you know Yeah, talk about that plush got me so excited. I have to pee so I will be right go right ahead I will do that. Oh things will go well You know this one was cruel as well because they give you a scene before the intro And it made me think that I had seen the intro so I didn't have to watch it and I was like, oh you bastard um Which by the way, it's a weird scene It's we we get like strict confirmation that Gandalf has walked off and it's just like we we judge them on their other side Like why didn't Gandalf just feel the need to be like? Yep, I definitely should abandon these people because I'm a threat. So like that's the idea, right? He considers himself threatening and that's a danger and you shouldn't be around them even though both times he has hurt people It has been them fucking with him He's really annoying that just no character seems to recognize what the fuck is even happening in their lives, but whatever. He's still sad. He's run off Good for him, I guess, but then um, he looks at his apple that was given to him by nori And he just like it starts playing flashbacks where she's like, you're not a parent. You're good Oh my god Like they had to put that voice over over Because we're morons. Oh dude, they not only do it because we're morons, but it comes back later in what is One of the most embarrassing moments of the episode which is a tough sell in terms of like weight that is it's like well, there's a couple but He's saying you're good to him. It's really important. You know, it'll it'll come back Yeah, and in every other scene they try and sound like intellectual and deep and then they just come out with that for the I am How exciting so something funny happens here It pulls out his little apple. I guess with the intention to possibly eat it. Not sure I don't know. Jesus Christ. It's fucking nails dude. He's gonna stick it up his ass Probably he's like i'm a wizard. You want to see me make this apple disappear? He comes out of his mouth and he just sticks it up his ass in front of the harvests I mean to be fair He came out of his favorite process and the only people he's met don't wash So like he probably doesn't even know what washing is at this point That's true. Actually, uh, uh So he spots a short person and he's like, oh my goodness. That's probably a half foot Uh, where are you running off to and this happens? I want to be specific with this because I thought it was so funny Right got it up on screen. You can see it. So you see this like oh and falls over Like oh, he's tumbling. He's tumbling. Where's he gonna go? He didn't drop here and it's like There goes the apple very low amount. Oh my goodness. There it goes. Yeah, right in front of him very low momentum He's like, oh geez now My assumption here is the it's like a football We chopped down some kind of larger scene because he's like, oh geez my apple I best go pick that up and as you just saw that's gonna be what like a maybe a foot in front of him This is where it is What the fuck happened He launched that One of the blocks formed like a ramp He's like mariole coming out of the house Are we supposed to interpret that as they are fucking with the apple with magical some shit because I was like, what the hell fast travel apple They um Well, let's get to the part where the yeah the change happens because I'm wondering what's the point of it Oh, yeah, well, so yeah for anybody who's like what is happening here It's um, it's nori who's running around and it's like wait, um Why is nori running around and she eventually stops and I was like, oh you there friendly or friendly right No Are you a pig? And then she does a creepy little like look at it. Look at it. Look at him creepy She's looking all dead eyes Blinks Not because she's a heart but This is what more fits on the inside. I agree with that actually Um, and they were very proud of themselves for this Change over shit here I've always I was find her amusing whenever I see this this demon witch person It's always funny looking I think I think it's because they wanted to be intimidated and I'm just like, okay It's manam Yeah, ha ha feminine I'm super scary Who am I? Flame lady Um, oh, yeah, and we learned in this scene that they're like you are lord sarron We worship you woohoo, and he's like, whoa, I was like, wait, but what was all that? What was the point of all that? What was the why? Why'd you steal my apple? Why'd you pretend to be someone who's a friend of mine? Why are you doing all of this if you just wanted to walk up to me and say, hey, man What's up? I'm gonna tell you First impressions are important. So I'm gonna make our first impression be that I lied to you Now look at when they bow Yeah, um, lady bows Like it looks like she's mountain something she bows really strange Uh, she walks like that too and like in the whole thing. She walks like kind of like spider man in the 70s tv show Weird people Mountain up cock right there. That's what it looks like. Yeah, I see what you mean like she does not kneel She like Like slips the hip a little bit to the side like she's working something out She's got a couple of really funny moments in this episode Uh, specifically gary. I don't know if you can see the thumbnail for this stream, but that part is hilarious Uh, I can't wait for us to get to it Yeah, we chose the thumbnail because I was just like that part's too funny not to have in the thumbnail There are so many great thumbnail moments Shit for years um Right Got us the intro Yeah, I just think it's a bizarre way for them to introduce themselves to gandalf, uh when well, yeah, because That they're supposed to be ambushing him But they lead him off a road on his own onto another road so they can talk to him The only reason that scene exists is so that you know, she can shape change That's it. Yeah to provide us a little bit of mystery a little bit of tension Because we got to fill time. There's no other reason for that Uh, and it's just yeah. Hey just came across as really odd Anyway, because time's not a thing. Oh geez. Did you guys catch? Uh, I know rags and fringy did you guys did too, but how bad the green screen is here They they didn't they could amazon can't spring for a field Oh But it doesn't very bad Because they're trying to just wow isn't glad real cool. She's riding on a horse Isn't that cool? Yep, doesn't care about him at all. He's literally collapsed and she's just dragging him along behind it This is this is my tale of heroism I mean she Halbrand simply shares in it I just it is kind of funny though that if he did inflict that wound upon himself And he almost died when his plan was to just get taken to here and just dies on the doorstep like I came so this really was a shit idea wasn't it? I was I was thinking that might be volume, but it is definitely green screen You can see like right around her shoulder and her arm. Yeah, like the it's the depth of the the background doesn't Feel like it's it should You know like move that way It's hard to really say exactly what it is about it, but it doesn't seem right She doesn't seem like yeah, she's moving along with the background. What's funny is if this shot is this bad Just cut it Yeah, we don't need this we don't need to see her Like a close-up of her galloping forwards. They're just trying to go. Yeah, isn't isn't glad real awesome Isn't this character we made super cool and amazing. Look she's riding a horse. That's so cool Friday versus is really cool That establishing shop before this would have been plenty. Yeah to let you I guess Someone would argue like well it shows a determination like yeah, you can do that in plenty of ways. You don't need a shot Oh, she's determined to make everybody hate her and she's determined to destroy the universe And she is masterful um Yeah, then so gilgillad is arriving tomorrow and is sad because we're gonna have to tell him that we fucked up It's basically what elrond says and we couldn't save the world and I was like Just casually mentioning this now This is like this is like your whole life right now and it has been for kelebrimbo too That's all you guys have been thinking about and you just it just I hate it when they do that with dialogue It's just like hey by the way gilgillad is on his way and it's gonna be really sad when we explain to him We failed I could just picture about kelebrimbo slapping him like shut the fuck up dude. Like that's our whole thing. I know um And then he looks at the mithril and he's like if only there was some way to do ball with less Oh, I was waiting for him to go. It needs to be small and round and rhyme with Sing Maybe I'll think of it later. Hmm I just wish there was something I could do as a metallurgist. I just don't know how anything works Smith as a smith as the master smith and lord of a reggae on like, hmm I I love how like we're all just itching to fucking point that out It's funny because that's the one I've seen the most in the incident the most complained about fag It's just how fucking stupid it is that he didn't know We'll get there. It's all right. It'd be fair. He's only been a master craftsman world renowned for like a thousand fucking years or whatever Yeah, it's not like two thousand years Yeah, he wouldn't know what an alloy is that's not something that elves are aware of They it's it's they're very racist when it comes to metals. They don't want to mix their metals They want to keep them pure every metal has its own place the silver is over here the gold I'm not saying the silver is worse than the gold Right. I'm just saying that the silver is over here and the gold is over there and that's how it should be That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying Well, think about how how many times in this show they've told you something then show told it you again And then told you again and like they're probably think we should tell them again And that's exactly what they did to him And they changed it in the first time so they repeated it and he understood it the second time I think that's their life Yeah, maybe maybe elves should die Maybe the dwarf king would be right I mean, I just They all just seem there's nothing they don't seem grand and the they don't seem Elvish, you know, it's not just the casting where they just look like dudes with pointy ears. There doesn't seem to be anything um Like particularly Uh, they look like For one, they don't look like elves. They just look yeah, they just look like dudes They look oh gilgillad looks like the guy who works at blockbuster, you know, like this is like, I don't even Yeah, he looks like he manages a wendy's you know It's like oh Gilgillad has been utterly unimpressive throughout all of this. He's he's very lame Extremely unimpressive and that's Remember, um, I forget his name, but like the elf king dude from the hobbit the films Who's played by the guy who played uh, ronan and yeah, like I believe that's a king. I believe you're an elven king Yeah, he came across as a lot more elvish to me from memory than these guys ever do They're just they they just fit in with everyone else, you know, if I end well If you take away sort of roll those ours, dude Yeah, you can perceive an age. No, he was good. He was fine in that but Okay, for one this episode is called alloyed Nice, I don't like that's a very even a word That sounds like I don't know something you don't want to happen to you. Is it meant to be Allied I caught alloyed It's a plan where it's it's meant to say annoyed as in we're all very annoyed Watching this show right finally This show was first announced back in 2017. I got like excited for a minute. Okay, forgive me I was I was younger more naive. I forgive you Thank you. Uh, and I'm like, oh my god, we get to see gill glad and kella brimborn and kella born and keerdon and I know I hear you laughing now. We're here. It's been like, oh Fuck they've taken all the characters. I wanted to see and made them shit Yep, I looked up the definition of alloyed and it is to spoil something or reduce its value No Oh To seal off the season that might actually be the perfect Dabe for this episode. It really might be all of it. My mind has been thoroughly changed Wow Or is that is that what they're going for with the whole point that they're making I guess Well, no, because the the the conversation about mithril is like, oh, well, it will be spoiled that he's like, well, no We have to find Ores that wouldn't spoil it that would complement it. All right, so it's ironic It's not really Not to be that guy. I mean, that's the that's like a derivative derivative meaning or like a colloquial meaning It's it's strict definition is to make an alloy of an alloy of nettles So it's which is what happens wait, but if it is colloquially accepted Normally that's still pretty funny. It's literally a Cambridge definition. In fact, that's that yeah Is alloyed even Alloyed even have a colloquial definition to people use that word I would describe means a power Unalloyed shit, for example, I mean that that would be one way of putting it. So yeah, you can use that in different ways I know waldrig alloyed himself with Adar and the orcs so that he could live That is a viable as a usage. I don't even know I was like I was I meant instead of allied alloyed was what I was going for I thought I thought you were trying to say that there's how you could use it But I don't even know yeah, I'm not familiar enough with the word to know that that was a joke as opposed to a real thing Well, if you wanted to if you wanted to oh, well adar made waldrig kill that guy to test his nettle So there you go Yeah, I like it. See we brought it. We brought it right back around now We don't have to discuss it further and we can carry right along and we'll just give you something about it We totally will Because this oh gosh, there is so much Uh, Galadriel arrives and she's like In terms of what's what's going on. It's just funny that the first person she sees entering this place is el rod Immediately. It's like oh wow It's listen middle earth. It's a small world All right, it's a small world It is amazing though you you made middle earth and beyond seems so small. Mm-hmm. Yep Maybe um, maybe that's not impressive because They've already made star wars feel like it's just three planets. It's true But but amazon only had 60 million in episode two So yeah, it's not much To be fair What was it nita said they had a billion perhaps? It was like That's almost 50 hours in season one. Could you imagine they had a billion dollars perhaps? It would still be shit, but it would look so good I wish they'd come out of this we have a ball rock every episode. Fuck it. I wish they had come out of this The other 42 hours, we're just gonna do it on the binge model. It's out tomorrow It's like turns out he's been correct all along Oh my god, the price of amazon prime goes up to like $7,000 a month To pay for the lord of the ring show They adapted the somerillian word for word That's what they could do Um, i've said a mess by the way shad mentioned something interesting happened during his stream apparently he got kicked out of the I guess the stream several times for watching the episode and so did a ton of people in chat Might be something the showrunners did to inflate the numbers of the final episode Yes, I have my notes here and it happened for me During the girl sildur scene With farazon when she was uh watching the episode on amazon prime On amazon prime video a pop-up came up for that Some virtual reality show and it's a full two-minute trailer that took you out of the episode And you had to click back into your episode Hmm I didn't I don't I didn't get well because me friggin rags washed it together and we didn't uh have that happened But um, that's interesting. Is that I would not put it past amazon at all. You know that they scrub reviews I totally am i've gone very suspicious since I saw that stat about um How they might be counting views of of the episode running in the background of like menus and shit I was like where he eats that is that true Because that's because I know netflix probably do that because they play their episodes in the background all the time It's kind of show that I just don't Believe has a really high like retention slash a viewer rate, honestly. It's it's just It's tough to believe the show is just really bad and it's boring and it's not engaging Um, it's not like a giggle a minute. You know, it's bad It's not even a giggle a season all the time Well, I guess if you count that lady screaming like you go like you're in a straight jacket. Oh, yeah a lot of that But to say like even it through its fourth episode on the neilson side that it's even close to house of the dragon And house dragons clearly getting more people watching it because people watch it on linear cable here in the states And they're in your country too. It may be considered a bit flimsy as a metric But like having the engagement on the streams where we're reviewing it They've just been going up and up and up and up Like i'm uh, correct me if i'm wrong, but I thought the first one we did was around 3.5k something like that and it was climbing up to 8k the recent one Okay, the the reason why you got kicked out and we didn't um Australia redirects you to the american prime video sites whereas the uk got its own one There you go So that's why it happened to shad And they're just doing it in america and it just happened to happen in australia as well And it's absolutely a trade that they don't accidentally put a pop up in the middle of your damn movie on amazon prime Believe me, that's a test for future things too. That's it's gonna happen more Absolutely happen. Yeah, I think they're gonna roll out like a vision of netflix eventually with ads on it that you do pay for still But that's see that's here's the rub with that They have to be open with their numbers to the at least the advertising agency So that they that's something they've never done and they're gonna have to be So we're gonna start on the Oh, yeah, it's weird enough that I pay for amazon prime and I still got a ad at the beginning I thought that was weird too. Uh, a little annoying little annoying not gonna lie glad it's skippable. Thank fucking I think that's what we were heading uh You might not even be able to pay for a vision this ad free that'll eventually happen Yeah, it's gonna get to a point where you're just you're gonna get ads no matter what it might not be many You'll go back to being like tv Yep We were there when this got introduced. Yeah tv died Let's make it more like tv what they're missing is is licensing over linear tv That's what made them tons of money to different countries like licensing dr Who to to china like uh bbc got like a billion for that doctor who Doc doctor who h h you that episode's coming out soon. You excited gary I am no I was died when you said it was 90 minutes Long dude and it's a week from tomorrow. Oh my god, it never fucking ends. You can you can put a lot of quality into a 90 minute show So, yeah, yeah exciting Yeah, that's pretty cool. They won't but you can yeah so They establish there's been six days ride from Uh, I guess the encampment to a reggae on so Uh sarong should be dead, but I guess maybe his body doesn't work like normal people. I don't even know at this point either It's it's it goes back to that space and time thing We've talked about it before about traveling But if you're traveling with a wound so grievous that only elvish medicine will save your life And you're just bouncing around on the back of that bitch and you're just there And there's no like he's hunched over and that's all we get There's no Well, remember he's up and running in about an hour Oh, yeah, he's he's good to go Like it's fine or i'd be more concerned about the horses than about him Like I know numinorean horses are supposed to be much better and stronger than ours But if you can find a horse that can ride for six days flat at a sprint Uh without rest There's a reason that genghis gahn's empire sort of eventually contracted because it got so big But he kept it running because he had Waystations with fresh horses because horses cannot actually go at a gallop for all that long They definitely can't go for six days I don't think even they human or is the home of the horse lords as we all know That's why they command their horses to keep going Because because gladrile said to the horse if you don't get us there if you if you stop one fucking time I'm going to kill all of the other horses in in front of you and make you watch Yep, what she even need to do that. You just be like look when we get to the end. I'll leave you alone It's like, okay. I'm running. I'm not stopping. I'll never ride you again Um So, yeah, uh, elrond's like wait king of the southlands. How did you cross paths with him? How are you here? And I was like elrond great questions. I look forward to her answering them But unfortunately her response is well, how are you here? Uh-huh, and he's like, uh, I know you are what am I there enough? It's the way you nods at it All right two shades like what no both of you answer each other's questions like people no That's not how the show works. Um people don't talk to each other Yeah, talk at in past each other. Yeah, and then he says, uh, I should never set you on that ship I should have trusted you. It's a mistake. I will not make again like Yeah, she was right the whole time Okay, I don't even know what he's referring to because the fact is this is some of that I was a little bit later, but I'm just pissed about it now Gilgallad does actually see that gladrile is back and no one has a conversation about his original theory that if she left The goo would go away because he thought remember he says like I thought by setting gladrile away the goo would go It's like she didn't go away, bro You've never actually tested that out yet if you actually thought it was a real thing It might be from your point of view that gladrile is still causing the goo I don't know. I guess he's doing that theory out the window Do we know What caused the goo? I don't think they yeah, I think they just said evil It just seems to be evil. Yeah evil Or maybe it was a balrog fought a balrog next to a tree and they both piled their evil into a tree And then that made black goo in the earth and spreading. I don't know that would be pretty cool Her response there is horrible because he's like, yeah, you know, I should have trusted you I shouldn't have set your way and she just goes I won't let you like I think she's trying to be nice But he sounds like a threat. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's that's gladrile dialogue at this point That's that's how you write it. Just be bitchy about every single thing ever You could say like good morning and she'll be like that's wise of you to say You'd be like what? Or like good morning Not anymore But how long will this break this last? Yeah, so she said I leapt off the boat because I didn't Like she said I don't I didn't deserve it and my task was incomplete And when I surfaced all I could do was swim and pray that I had chosen wisely But that is in universe confirmation that she basically thought I'm killing myself. Fuck it Yep If absolutely ridiculous Also, if you're gilgillad, right and you send um gladrile and all these other people to go to uh Undying special val hallow wherever and you like okay, that's good. That's neat. So they're in heaven That's awesome. And then all of a sudden one of them shows back up You should be panicking What the fuck happened to everyone else? Like I should point nobody else about anyone else. Yeah Yeah, like what what happened? How come you're here? How come you made it? Where's everyone else? You should be in valinor. Unless we're supposed to believe that how are you alive? Between scenes she told them all. Oh, no, it's just me. I jumped off everyone else find or Because yeah, I'd be I'd be terrified. Like did something happen? Like where's everyone else? They never made it back You'd be worried. Yeah, you'd be terrified. You're like, god dang Yeah, also the whole um jump off the boat never been wow Is a part of her reason was that she didn't think she deserved Go to valinor. It's like I really don't think that was at all Really given to us in the scene. It was a huge focus on the whole like darkness thing How didn't believe that the evil had been purged yet that seemed to be the main focus of that scene Yeah, it wouldn't have been my guess at all Would have been that she wanted to just keep getting sour on she didn't feel like her job was done I wouldn't have guessed I wouldn't think I was worthy fuck off with that Anyway, I mean even she even said to him then I cannot stop Yeah, the only way I could try and make that make sense is if she doesn't think she's worthy as long as the fight is there to be had So she's unworthy because it's a failing on her part that sauron was able to kill her brother for example And so she will be unworthy for as long as the fight against sauron is even a prospect But I don't think it was framed in that way or at least not very well And then it doesn't easily sit with as rags mentioned that that last scene of dialogue when she says I fight because I can't stop It's one of those things that you just think why did you not make more of this if this was your idea to begin with Why didn't you make that at least a little bit clearer than than you did? Because at the moment it just seems like well, she's a bit mad And she wants to stab orcs and that's and she hasn't finished stabbing them yet. So that's why she's done it So, uh, the legendary character of hall brand meets kella brimble in an epic scene Another legendary character. This is the meaning of the minds. This was a tough one to watch The acting in this was because I was brah ball Yeah, oh So, um Halbron's like this is peculiar. What is it just picks up the myth rocks apparently was just on a desk Uh He refers to himself in the third person To begin with he's like, oh, yeah, kella brimble is like this is kella brimble's workshop Like yeah, oh, I'd love to meet him. He's like, uh, well, he is here I guess he's just having a moment. He's he's having like, ah, it's I have a fan. I have an admirer And it's the most evil person on the God damn it um Yeah, this is what this is what vogner felt about hitler, you know maybe uh So, yeah, he picks up the myth roll and and kella brimble is immediately like, oh, it's not enough Like why are you even talking to him about it? You don't even know this man is he's like, have you tried mixing it? He's like, well, I wouldn't do that because it'll dilute it and he's like, yeah, but what if you were to mix it with something that's good though And he's like what? Like combine it with like other rare things and then make it better And then kella brimble is like, whoa This whole time I've been mixing it with shit Dang Master smith of the elves as the show took time to tell us as doesn't understand how basic metallurgy works And say I pointed this out on twitter and someone underneath said, um, yeah I I too object to this fantasy show because it got metallurgy wrong I think I don't think you've got the point there. That's that's not what I'm taking issue with It wouldn't it doesn't matter that it's metallurgy It matters that it's his expertise And it could have been a made-up thing It could have been magic casting and he's the greatest wizard of all time and then this other Like rookie wizard is like, have you ever tried casting a spell with your butt and then he's like, whoa That's amazing spell And like, you know in this case If butt spells were known to actually be really good. It's like, why doesn't he know that? Except like context matters Especially surrounding this show when they kept on saying, well, we went back to the book. We went back to the book We're honoring tolkin tolkin took its time to To to map all this out his entire effing life And they're getting the most basic elements wrong like The kelo brim bore is a moron And It's it's It's basic Yeah, well, I call him grandma brim bore I call him grandma brim bore. He never changes his clothes, but that as they pointed out grandma Said that elves change their clothes. I understand that but is it is it a is it a particularly? Consistent trade among grandmothers that they don't change their clothes I don't understand I had a granny cold kelo brim bore Granny smith Oh, like the apples. Yeah, granny smith Our argument now for the fucking rings of powers. Oh, it's just a fantasy show Well, you're adapting lord of the rings and talking you dip shits like It used to be just a fantasy show. Yeah, if anything, that's already an admission of defeat It just sounds whenever someone says that it's just like it's supposed to be shit. It's fantasy And it's like, oh get the fuck out of here. Jeez It's just like I had such a lazy response Of course, it's a fantasy show. Yes, but it's the thing that defines fantasy as a genre It's like turning to Wagner's ring cycle and saying well, it's just singing That no, that's that's not you can't excuse fucking lady gargar because it's just singing as though It's the same basic level and as as influential to say Wagner was if you're reduced to that argument You don't have an argument. That's just deflecting if talking you wouldn't have wheel of time you wouldn't have But they will think any major fantasy series that's come out basically since the 50s you wouldn't have it without talking And the idea that well, you know, ultimately it doesn't matter if you debase talking because it's just fantasy Is essentially saying that it doesn't matter if you debase an entire genre of art because you know, who cares? You know, it's just art who throw super It doesn't even have to be a peak example because fantasy in itself is about creating a new universe Which will have its own sort of internal consistent logic and rules and physics and everything else And once you make those rules, you have to stick with them. It's like now they have to find the facts Yeah, now you've got now they have to find that ships float because they look upwards That is a rule that you have to stick with the rest of time now in your series. It was a metaphor Yeah, it's not about like metaphor for bullshit of it Is that you have to be internally consistent Otherwise any literally anything can happen like we can just nuke gladriel in the next scene and it would be fine because who cares Oh, yeah, that would be an improvement. Yes, but I mean like you just tank it to the face though She'd wander into the woods with a miner Or like a guy who mines Yeah, like durin Yeah, there's the other problem as well, which is that okay If you're adapting this stuff and you're taking characters from it And you are using their names and also their titles and their established positions As the law defines them. So kelly brimble is the greatest of elven smiths Gil galad is the high king of the elves You do then have to portray them As though they were those things you can't just say This is kelly brimble. He's a great smith and then make him, you know, basic Not a great smith B tech level guy who's only just discovered what chemistry is That's that's not a necessarily a law fading. That's just a failure of writing Which the show is filled filled with obviously, but um What is our delivery mechanism? And he's just making it up as he goes along So like the half was like oh when they did that spell well, he's using small words So the tree understands it does that kelly brimble has been faking his entire life Pretending he's great at all this stuff Yeah We said before him being like the greatest elven smith ever and the best as always That would have been really useful to have us learn about mithril when he when when el ron comes back Gives him the mithril Having kelly brimble a look at that and be like holy shit. This is fucking amazing And then he does all these tests these tests that he does off screen in between scenes or whatever that were baffling and strange If we saw him like talking to elrond as he was in his workshop Testing the metal and weighing it and stuff like that. We saw it on the scales and whatnot. He was like, oh, this is so amazing That would have not only allowed us to learn more about mithril You know through kelly brimble telling it to elrond But also it would have been like wow kelly brimble is if he's excited about this sort of thing And he's this master elven smith who's lived for 10 trillion years that just shows how special it is all the more I mean, maybe he didn't even do the test though Like the guys like do you know this does the thing? Oh, yeah Yeah, I read all the tests wait read all of them never tested about oh, yeah, just see whether it cured it Because the whole thing it is just done as a contrivance. So I don't know in this with gill galad It's different so with gill galad They've attempted to write an austere powerful wise ruler But they don't have the capability to do that So they've turned him into an idiot who makes all the wrong decisions with kelly brimble I don't think they would have had the writing talent to actually portray him properly anyway But the only reason they've made him an idiot is because they do need him to be an idiot in order for sauron's relationship With the forging of the rings to take place It's just staggering that they have left it until the the final episode To actually just to make this relationship happen at all that there's not there's been no build-up for this It's they're only there because well, we still don't know what happened to how prance Maybe he stabbed himself Maybe something else to get himself here to meet kelly brimble for the first time in order that the rings of power be forged The point of this entire operation be forged in this episode this whole long manipulation that sauron You know would have had to go on is condensed down to this exchange And they had to reduce kelly brimble to orchestrate that It's just it's the shoddiest of shoddy writing more so I think than than all the preceding episodes even this is just We've dallied and we've wasted all of our time for hours on end. Nothing's in place. Nothing's set up We need stuff to happen. So uh, fuck it panic just do this and therefore you destroy your Supposedly greatest characters in the name of in the name of contrivance great great work for a billion dollars All this time and you're in the negative that must be great Yeah, because the idea here is obviously that sauron needs to have a particularly important component of the construction of these So what is it? it's like well He can tell kelly brimble the secret to combining them and honestly because they're so stupid They probably should have done it off-screen and kelly brimble's like I couldn't quite figure out the the way to do it But that uh, that whole brand fellow of yours. He's been he's been working with me And we've managed to figure out a couple of shortcuts here and there and a couple of things that You know this down here like nice and vague so we can't judge it But you actually just openly have him say combine it with other metals And then it's even worse than that because kelly brimble's like oh, no that doesn't work because it'll make it impure Then he's like yeah, but what if it didn't? Like it's it's so bad. What have you used the right ingredients? Yeah, and that's it and then he later says like oh, you know, I got this from the south lander he It's what he said that opened the dam or something. He tries to make it sound like it wasn't really his idea It was my idea, but he kind of prompted it That line that it's the thing that turned the key that opened the dam, right? Yeah, which is an interesting choice of words, isn't it? And I wonder why they decided to use that choice of words. Is it because they need to fast forward things again? Yes, it is Uh lame really lame and it makes your uh, hella brimble look like it It does Anyway So anyway Oh, yeah, so we're over back in um new menor and uh old dude is getting his tomb sorted out He's kind of losing his marbles He starts talking about the the the doom of alleria. I mean the the doom of new menor. That's the one The uh, it's all gonna fall apart Bad tisms on the way And he uh, come on. Do you think he's talking to his daughter? I think he does, right? Yeah And he's like we gotta restore the old ways or our people will be lost Like I said when it comes to old bedridden kings mistaking women for his daughter, he's really low tier really low tier not my favorite Yeah, there's this way better one out there right now Not weird the happens in the same. Yeah, it is kind of strange So that's it's a thing of day where it's like if I had a nickel it's not a lot of buddy bit Now weird that it happened twice a nickel for every time a dying king thought he was talking to his daughter Um, so anyway, he wanders over to his little plantier room and opens it up and unfortunately that means that she gets to now use it because There's no like nurse in the room There's no one in earshot even That maybe takes care of these things and to be honest with you with him being this seen island kind of crazy Is it good that he still has the keys to that room? No, probably not probably To be fair the mention the balance your room. It doesn't have any shields because no one would be crazy enough to open it Oh my god. Oh, it'd be Yeah, she just walks in and enjoys herself a plantier, I guess I don't know where that's going exactly because I don't know the law, but that's it I know she doesn't exist in the law so it can go wherever it wants to she's just been made up I'm trying to remember how she even got here in the first place She was dry. She was an apprentice. Yeah to do his uh tomb Tomb she was in she was in yeah Ition it was a competition for the likeness of his tomb Yeah, I feel like they would have settled this ages ago someone in the guild would have High honors for and you wouldn't give that shit to an apprentice. You'd give it to like the master Carver of the guild, you know to to make the you know king's face out of stone for his tomb Add email energy to the family But they she's gonna be the impetus of the faithful breaking up breaking away I'm gonna make her the centerpiece of it and not a lindill or oh man A sildur who we haven't talked about because he's totally dead, right? totally A sildur dead So dumb when a sildur gets out of that building He'll be really upset that no one it's dad of bad to do but then it'd be like it's worse than that Everyone about did you? I held that to do minor You got barf in my dude Did you imagine that is He crawls out of the fucking wreckage and he's like, you know dad anyone is anyone here? It's like mostly just orcs actually manages to fight through them escape. Maybe gets to the encampment It's abandoned. There's just some planks left or in bits of rags and stuff not that rags the other rags And he's like, oh Geez, where do I go next like a pretender to the throne and and and then he's like what what happened He maybe gets all the way to the numinal encampment place that brawl winds out and she's like, oh, hey Yeah, you guys left like weeks ago. Sorry, mate. He's like, where are they? It's like numinal They went home They said you were dead. So they said you were dead. I've been gone for like four hours How did they do this all so fast? It's like, I don't know Were they trying to like hurry up before everyone was hurrying in the camp quick quick before he gets Before he gets before sealer wakes up or he finds us before he finds us more rations for me Oh, it's so lame. It is indeed anyway That scene's over we go back to the the place and they're like, we're gonna build you a crown made of Mithril Gilgallad that's gonna save the world and I was thinking like Surely you'd probably want a pointy stick so you couldn't like a wand so you can rub it all over the tree and stuff If it's on your head, you know, like awkwardly aim your head around a bit, right? Or is it just It's got a I'm imagining that they make a wand of mithril and they start rubbing it on all the trees So In the forest they go to all the trees He's fluttering around with his wand He's like a fairy. He's like a pretty pretty princess Like sir, you have to do it to save the world. He's like, it's okay. I feel gay though Um, yeah Gilgallad's a little bit depressing in this scene. They're like, oh, we gotta make that and we can save the world He's like too late Oh We're dead. We're just dead. Fuck it too late. If you guys have made this like a week ago Maybe but it's too late. Fuck you Blackpill only we learned about this sooner. If only we told elrond the gravity of exactly It's totally not our fault But also, uh, yeah, he says it's too dangerous and stuff Galadriel who is just here by the way We haven't had any conversation for her Gilgallad at all if she's just here Oh, and she says sometimes the perilous path the perilous path is the only path I wouldn't be standing here otherwise. He just looks at her and he goes you shouldn't be standing here at all That's kind of funny. You're the king tell her to fuck off. Tell her a lot of things It's like you betrayed a whole bunch of shit. You we got loads of words to We're not allowed to speak the the script won't let us don't mind But all three of them in this scene are like Gilgallad's the only one with any kind of moral compass at all They're basically going yeah Well, you know, it'll make one person super powerful and probably a tyrant But as long as you're that tyrant it'll be fine Look So I don't even understand the mechanics really it's like so this stuff rubs away the goo However, also it is very powerful No, not not now like they kind of imply that it'll supercharge one of them that will then Spread to everyone else is the way I took it like it's a level up. Yeah They say like it has to be a circular thing because then it'll like power itself up Infinitely it'll the energy will bounce on itself or something's like whatever fan. It's sure whatever First the polarity. That's what it's gonna do Yeah, it'll it'll transmogrify the palascovator and that means that the yeah, it's so Then something really weird happens in the dialogue and I'm not even a hundred percent clear on the purpose I think this happens a lot in this show. I'm trying to figure out what the hell's going on So when he complains they didn't do this fast enough Hella brimbo says angrily. I almost had it sooner It was only in speaking to the southlander that and then he cuts them off to say the low man This idea was his It's like okay before we continue What is kella brimbo saying when he says I almost had it sooner It was only when I spoke to the southlander that I actually managed to do all of this So like he's angry at what getting a shortcut where he wouldn't have had it without the southlander Yeah, that was confusing to me too Like he's like you should have done this faster and he's like complaining that he's doing it faster than ever before But he also could have done it. It's like you couldn't have done it faster. This was already faster Is it yeah really weird Yeah Slight kinds of things that remind you to ride really bad And it feels to me like they were trying to find a way to force him into saying the southlander to then trigger gilgillad Into saying like why the fuck are you playing around with that low man, which is like Okay, well, okay, so is it prior to this moller where elrond says I know it sounds strange But like every time you hear that in writing period like they're about to tell you something that doesn't make any sense in stupid What I mean they tell us stuff that doesn't make sense all the time is I don't think whenever they say I know it sounds strange. They're not like yourself. We're about to get a real bagger of nonset um But yeah, so he carries on his suggestions with a key that unlocked the dam This is the power of the unseen world not of flesh, but over flesh What the fuck is that supposed to mean exactly like in this context? Yeah, it sounds kind of creepy away It does like what was this again saving the elves? Having power over flesh. What are we talking about here, man? We just want to make the goo go away my dude and then you find out like Power over flesh. Where did you get those words from he's like who cares whatever and then she's like was it whole brand? It's like, why would you assume the whole brand said like well because at this point? She thinks howl brand is sarron, but she's not sure and and eight because Of everything that's happened previously in the episode like I can't remember the exact details But there's been enough hints that she thinks he's not who he says he is at this point I don't remember why she said that in the first place But ad-ah was the ones that said those words and he got it from sarron presumably when he was working with him Which is the link That's the link between them but not the link between colladriel and This no, yeah, I thought there was a complete absence of stuff at this point, which I was gonna say That's my big complaint with this is colladriel is no reason to distrust Howlbrand yet And but all of a sudden just on that one statement. Yeah, which is really strange Like really arrived and we have to assume that sarron got in the kill of brimboar's head. I mean Yeah, which sucks because he's known for like five seconds. Yeah, by the way That would have been a neat scene to see him manipulating hella brimboar mind. We don't get to have that. Oh, well Maybe we can pretend it happened and say that it happened if we pretend it happened. That's cool too Um, and yeah before we can deal with all that a gill glass just like no disband everything. Fuck off. We're going back like Okay, oh, okay We can try Everyone I was a little bit perplexed as to why they went to the trouble of building this entire tower and city To hold a forge that looks like it really could have been put pretty much anywhere It's it's a really small little cauldron thing But they now have to disband it because well, they they run out of they've run out of time To go back to heaven which was a reward in the previous episode But now is a curse because we don't understand why the elves would even want to stay in the middle of really to begin with This Yes set up and pay off don't really so what was he gonna originally use the tower to make? Um, I think it was this fan all along. Yeah, or to try and use the power Not necessarily the rings. Well, well, no, it can't be in the rings because he must have Remember they knew the ring idea here right to the start Yeah, so the purpose of this tower being made was to make Some new thing Something with mithril I this year because they knew that the mithril was a thing, right? But they didn't know what it was cold and they didn't know where it was. So just knew about that free or keller brimborn knew about mithril So both gilkelad and keller brimborn knew about presumably they knew about remember that story they tell they were like They've waited for that material whatever yeah, oh glad told the and they said like they assume the dwarves found that material And they turned out to be right So I guess they always wanted to forge that material into something else And then the person that they wanted to go to the dwarves is the person they didn't tell about it Yeah, because they're incredibly stupid I think it's words at the end I'm so can I'm so confused by like all of this who knows what and who gets told what and why are they doing Whatever they're doing Um Also, I'm afraid gary's gonna have to bug out for a bit Oh I'm assuming you got some other work to do. You're a very busy bad these days Yeah, sorry, I'd stay for the whole thing. Uh, I'm We're all talking about rings of power. Yeah, I'm going back to talk about rings of power in my review Out the way through and then if I'm done recording, I will come back if you guys are still talking about it Likely, I would say we got another hour and a half to two hours of this episode probably Uh So if if that's within the we'll be in the superchats after that if you wanted to come back and just talk about rings of power Because I know you'll love doing that. Oh, yeah, I'll come either way Good luck with whatever it is. You're up to and thank you very much for joining us Uh, it was a pleasure. Sorry. I gotta leave early. Thanks chat. Thanks gentlemen. Have fun Excuse you, man. We'll catch you in a minute. Bye. Bye. Thanks for jumping on game We're weary So many complaints to be had about the whole sequence of events. Sorry. I just kind of keep it all in track Um, oh, yeah, so elrond is like I really really really want to do this and gill glad's like no And then he goes come on. I'm owed three months and he says you're owed nothing And then he says, okay, well then do it because I'm asking you And that works I just I need to try that more in my life whenever I don't get anything that I think I deserve I'll be like, well, what if what if you do it just because I asked you to Yeah, it feels like master negotiator elrond. He's like He's like demanding it as a thing that he wants and he gets declined And then he tries to pull like a sense of duty or favor and that doesn't work And then he just says okay, but like I really want it though How does that I just don't get how that works true It doesn't it doesn't work even in the setup if it's as desperate as we've been led or as we've repeatedly told that it is Why would you not want at least some people staying behind to work up until the last possible second to save your place in middle earth? Why would you want why would you're an idiot anyway? Well, there there is that but if you weren't an idiot Why would you be secretly working for sauron trying to kill the elves get them out of middle air? Based in off-build Yeah, so they're gonna they guess they get that amount of time to build whatever it is They're trying to build right a crown. That's what they're building a crown Yep And then we have a seed of gladrials like research the southlanders and speak of it to nobody and it is such like a what She really doesn't trust hall brand now to the point where she wants to search up his history, which to be fair is like I mean, we'll just do that anyway Check out his old tweets. Yep You think you might have done that while you were you know in the massive library in numinal. Yeah So, um, yeah, we'll see where that goes. I suppose It's funny because there's a couple of boas where she's staring at him while he's just doing smithing She's like, hmm pretty sure he's just smithing there menacingly. Yeah And um, she says to hall brand. Yes, all of a sudden you and kelo brimbo seem quite familiar like That's evidence of him being evil And it's like he made friends his whole thing when you met him was that he wanted to smith He enjoys the process And he's helping one of his like all-time inspirations and heroes as far as we know Create something that he's trying to create this. There's no reason to think he's evil as a result of all this To be fair, I can believe that gladriel thinks that making friends is an act of evil Because that does line up. She doesn't understand it as a process. She's like, what is this? You must be trying to hurt them I like that she's suspicious of him at this point being sarron So you'd think well, well, I've just undiscover it and investigate I'm not going to make him suspicious. So she stands across the room glaring at him as if she wants him to die As I know play cool gladrials glaring at him and he's like, what did I do right? Although I suppose with glad maybe it'd be more suspicious if like she was just nice to him for once So yeah, I uh, I just don't know what it is the clues are into any of this, but she's she's on the right track, of course gonna We'll get there Over to gandalf or not gandalf with a bunch of the the the witches And they're like the more your power improves the more the veil will be lifted And I guess that's the way of explaining Like everything to do with this character. He's like a normal ass human He's just lost all of the random things and they're coming back to him slowly through magical screams. I don't even know It's magic. They gotta explain shit Uh, but they do say the star pattern he's looking for is on the little dinner plate and they say that it's uh Like it's the hermit's hat Far to the east it's a pattern that's visible where stars are strange a land called rune I think they actually also use the line. It's only visible in one place Which isn't how stars work. Yeah, well it isn't this will bitch That's strange the magical stars Um, then they have a little speech It really Gets to him. Uh, she says You fell from the stars yet you are greater than they fire obeys your will you fell below the dust and yet dust fears you And yet just fears you can you imagine the power? The power of dust Even the dust obeys your command. Even the dust you trample underfoot Oh, the dust trembles beneath you. Why would just oh The dust trembles beneath you would work better because at least that's like that implies a different kind of fast But if the dust generally just fears you I don't understand dust has no emotions Dust trembling beneath you here. It's like you're massive or you know, your your stride moves the land But if the dust just does tremble under movie bob's feet, I don't I don't under who wrote who wrote that looked at it and thought yeah, that sounds pretty cool That sounds good. I just picture picking up the dust and being like Alive and he pokes it like hello I don't be afraid of dust fears you isn't that impressive saying that like the earth itself or That's a bit more like oh, okay. Okay. All right. Now we're now we're getting someplace. Yeah Get the recognition I deserve it gets weirder because When they're doing that little speech He like gets into it and starts doing like big old telekinesis everywhere and like yelling Like like he's happy to hear that he's super powerful and the dust fears him That's that's the that's the um It's the confidence boost that he needed to know that the dust fears him I have no idea what to make of it. He's been he's been surrounded by hard foots for a long time now Finally people recognize how powerful I am I can feel good. Yeah, finally the dust fears me Then it gets weirder They don't like this they get scared by him when he's just doing like a little like i'm so happy that i'm so Powerful they're like oh god stop him and then one of them blows dust into his face and he gets knocked out Yeah, I don't know what is What's going on once again. He's like can people not fuck with me when i'm pasting spells Every god damn time I think every single time like literally every time So screwed it up literally everything And then they blame him every time they blame him for it too. What is this? The fuck is this? Magicus interrupticus. Wait, doesn't she just like blow dust in his face? Yeah knock him out So the dust fears him, but not that much Well, is it magic dust or is it um, maybe it's just I imagine it's magic It could just be a different substance It could just be a different thing altogether Maybe it's like smith Smoke or does she get it from some place? It's magical so it can't be something that's normal. It's magic. It's smith. Yeah Oh well that that there you go You blew smith at him smith doesn't fear him dust does smith Or smooth whichever you want Move sounds like smooth man. That kind of matches like Poof is a kind of smoky word. Yeah Anyway, uh, they're like let's bind him which I thought was really odd because like he's a wizard, man I don't know You're like just wait till he wakes up I don't know. Yeah, just let him sleep and then explain. Yeah, you're gotta get in a little bit out of control We we just want to make sure you don't do anything super crazy until your power like and everything comes back and the veil goes away Um So, yeah, we we just went ahead and put you to sleep real quick, but you know, we didn't we didn't tie you up You know because because that would be excessive and weird And so the halfords are here and they've come up with a plan Their plan is one of them makes noises I guess to distract the witches while the others go and try and free totally not Gandalf Um, and I just wonder I'm like Yeah, okay, but like what are you gonna do when they catch you and kill you because they weigh fast So they can track you and the magical beings like they can spontaneously explode objects into fire There's like they're there's just physically they are larger and more input magic aside They are just physically superior to you Yeah, um They they had the magic on top of that on top of that powers me I don't know if they're gonna be able to defeat them at all, but I probably have some kind of weapon What we learn Is from a little glance that the witches are probably aware that they're here too This isn't going to go well at all and apparently uh-oh So the harvests get around to freeing all Gandalf there And it turns out that's not Gandalf at all. It's a fake It's the shape shifter and he turns is well, he's not even turned into the lady yet. He's done the eye thing It's like, oh no, what's gonna happen now that you've done that and um Nori is like getting all spooked, but saddock is like I'll grab his leg you run Doing a hero thing you see but then the ambush Happens The the other ladies come from around the corner because this was all part of the plan you see And um, they grab themselves a throwing knife and I I don't know how to Live this information to chat they're gonna they're gonna take this really badly. Okay, because this this is tough This is probably one of the saddest things I've seen in cinema so far for a long time, but They get a knife known for cutting And they it was not even a regular knife. It's a throwing knife or maybe it's both. I guess it would be better And they throw it Looks as if they weren't aiming for nori because it goes right past it instead. It hits lennie. Henry right in his belly No You're gonna first seen this being a possibility And uh, I think I was actually surprised because I was like, wait what? I was surprised too. Why are you killing him? What's the point? There's not much narrative juice to be drawn from him dying. I don't you know, it's like whatever really Sardaw calls Down like so is that actually like how disconnected the writers are from what they've created that they think that this is Like that they've done enough work for this character to make this a really sad and meaningful death Or they looked around you We could be possibly kill who we feel anything at all about and they run up short and so they thought I guess lennie henry then because Yeah, lennie henry has um people like him some people still like him outside of this So maybe that'll work No, right like you're just leveraging the actor rather than the character that you've created What's interesting about trying to play up sedoc's death here as Like the oh no sort of moment that isn't it sad kind of moment Is that as we'll learn his death is almost immediately forgotten And no one yes, it's just like you could like if you stepped out a moment like if you had to pee and and you came back Having missed the scene where he gets stabbed Or where he dies, you know, he'd be like, so where's uh, where's him? Well, where's he at? I wanted to be known. What's going on with him? You'd never know You'd never know wanted to be known that when when the when the magic was starting to develop the subtitles say whooshing intensifies Whooshing This is this kind of whoosh magic and something I forgot uh when they first got here They're looking around at the scene and they're like, what are we gonna do here? What's that like? Oh, oh, there's only two there was three And then they're like a nori says well better two than three. Let's go It's like Well, it's like I said when we were um when we were watching the episode it was like Well, I'd much rather fight three thousand people than four thousand. Let's go I just the whole well, so it's weird as well logistically because They were watching them when the scene was unfolding with the three of them Like they showed the the harphids of watching And then they lose one I guess she just wandered off and then they were just like well, I don't know where she is anymore Nice you don't have to worry about he's out of the picture And then that's the other thing is like we have one unaccounted for evil wizard That's what it's like when I say there are now two instead of three It's not that we only have to deal with two instead of three It's that we do not know where the third one is Like I don't know why they would just like oh, fuck it whatever because obviously the twist is the third one is gandalf Oh my god Which again, I don't know how they managed to do without They're half it's seeing it but fuck it whatever So we get a fight scene. It's pretty funny um You get the sort of normal there's just magic things happening and Looks weird. I don't like understand what's happening But you get this kind of funny too because they're very dramatic the the Do I say like body acting this one in particular very dramatic definitely a um Yeah art student Yeah, she probably did this in the in the sort of when they were hiring and they like this is pretty cool Then she was like, oh, they love this. I'm going to do this to intense levels Uh, you'll make me look like a magical person a fantasy person. That's what they do Even as they're fighting though, she's flipping him round in midair Like at one point he's hovering on the left and she just rotates him 180 degrees for Yeah, that should body is how we'll get rotated But uh this this particular part i'm trying to snap an a b repeat here I remember it very well because it made b rags and free law for a while It's not even the thing from the thumbnail by the way This one's something else. No, it's not. No, that's yeah. All right. Got it. Enjoy this for a while Just the way You're such a try hard cringe lord Like go back to your fucking basement in your your hot topic I'm gonna get What is going on? This is like a protagonist from a final destination film Protagonist what why like what does that have to do with final destination? They're just edgy late 90s early 2000s ish sort of like edge to it I don't remember the main character from final destination doing this weird run. I like the main character of final destination I liked him too. Yeah, I liked him not not the first one Well, the second one was the girl the second one was uh, yeah the lady and third one This would this would be a hypothetical sort of final destination. What the hypothetical film that doesn't exist Why would you? Yeah, it was like final destination today. It's not like it's a into a like a kin to a one But it a hypothetical one but like one similar to it. It's akin to a thing that doesn't exist but could exist Yeah I don't even know that I would associate the way she looks with nine Is it just the M&M connection that you grab it there because the clothing really does scream 90s to me It's it's it's very very difficult to disassociate the M&M From the rest of the get up Well, we have like the metal like strapped to him like it's like it's a um, just like just wearing metal Like the chains around the bell and everything Oh, sure. I just means this this outfit. I know staffs were a big thing in the 90s. Oh, yeah, I had a staff Yeah so It won't be long before we find the really funny part of this thing So there uh, there's so many funny things in this clearly very epic fight sequence with magic We're here laughing at it because it's so silly well, um I guess it's hard to do Wizard fights or something because you like you see this you're like, oh boy. What does this mean? What's happening? And uh, uh, they managed to handle it pretty well in Star Wars. That's kind of Look at this. She goes we're on that. He just goes, uh, 10s 19 degrees Don't do that that's not I'm not upright anymore. Oh here I go spin it all the way back the other direction Why are you even doing this way got the try hard face on this this which fully shit And he's like at least when At least when Gandalf and saruman are fighting like they're throwing each other into things Yeah, and doing damage. It's not just randomly twirling them around in the air Oh my god, the faces she's making. What the fuck? It's the legitimately Do you see Gandalf's face? He's like what the hell am I dealing with? Are you are you shitting right now? Oh Very epic battle My god, she was into this. She was giving it her all. She was like, this is gonna be top tier. This is an 11 out of 10 tv show So sorry to tell you it ain't um Yeah, so everyone's ran off right while he's battling her so it's like so where are the other demon witches Surely something bad is gonna happen And then a throwing knife dodges the chungus by like an inch It's so upsetting. We could have lost another character, but they found a weird knife Like a little moon How do you yeah, it's not it's like a shit boomerang Fringy how um you Yeah, I mean I look up. I'm not an expert on boomerangs. Okay. I uh, that's not true, but what? You know as you know, so what is your? Is it I just want you to back me up on this well the fundamental nature of a boomerang is that when you throw it it returns to you that's like the fundamental aspect of what what makes a boomerang a boomerang This uh, this one just sort of sticks in the tree um I guess the boomerang wouldn't come back to you if you threw it into a tree though, right? um I mean, but why would you throw it into a tree? You know, if you're trying to hit the hard foot in front of it I I guess you were aiming to Right. So like in a sense, right the boomerang returns to you because you haven't succeeded Uh, in this case it hasn't returned to her because I guess she's succeeded in pinning what to face to the the tree Yeah, what makes a boomerang boomerang is the capacity to return back to you. It is the capacity to return. Yes So that's like a big aspect of what makes a boomerang what it is I don't know if this one would return. I think it wouldn't actually. I think it would just uh Drop because I think it would just keep going Anyway, he turns and realizes saddock has been hiding here. Look under a little thing And he's fucking ready. Okay, because he got stabbed He pulled that bitch out of himself He's about to bring it down bring down some justice He's about to bring down the full wrath of a hard foot This is a surprise attack. But before he actually Like reveals himself. He blows the whistle that distracted them the first time to announce that he was about to do it So that's an input and uh, she has a reaction to this Oh my god, she looks like yoda when yoda goes back and goes around Oh, you're right. That is like yoda It's just like yoda Ah Seriously, one of the funniest faces I've seen in such a long time It never gets old. I know it only did 20 seconds, but it never gets old Oh my gosh, the eyes the way they roll It is kind of perfect. The fact that like the teeth are hidden You're just looking people That it really makes it Gummy scream Also, that's got to cut Sadock's hand really bad, right? Yep, because if that's like a crescent knife and you're using it to plunge the tip into the The the sharpie bits are gonna Fuck your hand up because you need to grip it to push it into a foot I imagine it's actually quite difficult Well, you can tell he's awkwardly got his fingers covering like the top I guess the top end of it and like that I think he even knew when he was probably filming that that this would be bad to do But luckily this is a prop so it doesn't matter It's these little gifts that you just have to appreciate These are what make it not worthwhile ultimately, but It looks pretty nice Pretty funny. Yeah Sometimes you're just like, wait, wasn't there three of them? Whatever the fight continues awkwardly Unfortunately, I think by the way, this is like your your finale action scene and it's just wonky as fuck There was no other one. Yeah Isn't this so exciting And it's with characters that we've spent like five minutes with these villainous ones and then we barely know the Gandalf guy My god, every single time. Look at this lady walking. Can't do anything normally Weird jittery movements I think they would like she was told not to right like don't do anything like a normal person because you're a mystical crazy witch person Okay. Yeah, this is a fantasy world or whatever Um, but yeah, it seems like it's all over. She's What's weird is that one of them said make him see And in response to that she's about to hit him with the staff, I guess Making an angry look at the face. Oh my Do you see? Oh, no, it's got a tying not Gandalf down and show them all the pictures of her. Yeah that they won God she's so into this. Anyway, they throw a rock at her and she's like, ow and it's like What it's a rock Then the person ducks down and they're actually like tormenting her with just throwing pebbles So hard to watch Um, but they throw enough of them that she drops the staff too and then nori takes it She's just waiting waiting for that that's part of the plan I get or maybe just incidentally Was a part of the plan to get her to drop the staff Yeah, she wants to give it to the wizard man who can defeat them with the staff. That's obvious. Right. How do you figure that out? So anyway, she burns the whole forest down because you know Bit awkward. Uh, she sets a forest fire here that could likely wipe out the entire thing. That's so huge when they zoom out It's like god damn. You're kind of an asshole out Whatever, I guess When it pans out, there's one bit that isn't on fire and it kind of looks like she just goes Uh might as well do this bit as well. I don't think there's even a hobbit there Yeah, never leave a job Just in case there is one Um But yeah, and then uh, you really like yeah, I was waking up with all the trees on fire and he's like oh nature Killing it with Fire is it's technically nature too Yeah, I hate this scene because he could help them and he's just like Can't be bothered at this point. Well, he says I'm gonna hit you and it's like Oh, as opposed to us getting emulated like I feel like you should just give it a shot, mate It might be worthwhile. I don't know. I just wanted to die Sorry, experience. One of them would run in the way when of whatever it was he was doing And then they would scold him for it and he would be sent away And why would you bother helping these people that could be ungrateful? Um, he says like get away from me, you know, or I'll hurt you He says and this comes up as a payoff Oh god this this comes up in all kinds of things, right? The idea that your choice is define who you are sort of things the standard sort of She says only you can show what you are Which first of all is already like oh, that's a bit clunky only you can Yeah, I would have rewarded that and then she says you choose by what you do It's so clunky. Oh god the english is getting fucked And it stands out really clunky Yeah, this one is You know, this is probably one of the least elegant ways that you could convey this point But it it's not even it doesn't even come across as being In the sense of they are not an elegant people the harphits and they speak very plainly in a sort of vulgar way It feels just like even then it just it's just well I mean you compare it right the iron giants core thing was you are who you choose to be That's like a waste. It's a much more straightforward way of communicating the exact same thing Yeah, like I said lude to things go over this that choice defines the end of day sx. We are our choices You just so many other way And it's like what only you what did she say only you choose by what you do You show who you are with what you choose to do Oh, fuck. I wish I'd written it down You choose by what you do like Your actions to find you would have been Yeah, just so many other like it's so clunky I just want to get worse because she's saying this in response to him basically being like i'm i'm evil sad face and she's like no No, no, no, no because you are told i'm evil by these random weirdos in the way No, right She's trying to tell him like it's a like you aren't anything yet. It's up to you What do you want to be and then she follows that up with You're good. I know it's true. You're a good person. You'll choose to do good. It's like Well, that kind of destroyed your first point, didn't it? It's completely up to me to choose but also do this Are they trying to imply that He's kind of come down and he's in like an imprinting stage. So if they hadn't found him first Then he would have been evil if they'd found him first I don't know what you make of any of that. I don't know Good that would be fucking hilarious if true I imagine that they would counter it's like, well, no, no, no He's just like helping him, you know, sort of be the person that he was always meant to be, you know Not that he is A completely blank slate who could have been molded by whoever he's not wonder woman. All right Like yeah, I thought the idea was he has a personality that's just slowly being regained Because the alternative is if he is just a blank slate Then if the half it's hadn't turned up at this precise moment and implausibly won Then the weird witchy people would have elevated somebody who isn't sauron to sauron's power power level And completely changed the entire future of middle earth by creating A new different sauron who probably would have been more powerful and beaten sauron and then the entire thing changes So apparently this is an incredibly pivotal moment in the entire history of middle earth Yeah, this is an intense string of coincidences We've kind of glossed over that in the sea of all the other garbage It is hard to keep track of them because we've had so many like next level holes and crazy nonsense to deal with Yeah Yeah, they have this shot. She's doing it again. It's like fleamy walk Fleamy they keep thinking it's really intimidating, but every time I'm just like, uh It's so bizarre I guess they think it's neat. So good for them Yeah, he gets inspired then by nori to do good Because that's that's a man Oh, the line is coming. Yeah, so Um, this whole time by the way, all of the witches have forgotten about that staff Which apparently with that staff you can just like easily defeat all of them when when they had it They were kind of able to defeat him. So You might have thought they'd want to be taking a little bit more care on that one But hey, whatever he's got it now too late. He puts out all the fires Like he's like, all right. All right. Well, it's possible. Yeah, that's good He says from the shadow you came to the shadow you will return. It's like, yeah, that that's a normal last line I guess fine Whatever and before he does he's told that most of the normal sounding lines have been stolen from the job Yeah, I figure I think I stole that one too um And So they say Uh, he's not sarin. He's the other the istar. He's and he cuts them off to say I'm good Not even I am good contraction. I'm good. I This is like this don't do this ever It's like this it's it's a shitty version of like this It doesn't belong here the I'm good thing where it's just sort of uh really basic, uh This this learning that I am good and that's a big like it like it belongs in a Pixar movie, you know Like it works there, but it doesn't it doesn't work here I think there are contents where you can make this work the overestimating their estimation of the audience the entire thing with with Gandalf is The is to have the audience asking oh is Gandalf good or isn't he good? And we can't possibly just show people the answers that we literally have to tell them it in the dialogue He has to actually shout I am good in order that the audience that they think they're writing for Understand that this is the payoff to that mystery and now we know It's or they think that it is what I think what the writers hope is that they have sufficiently been Demonstrating to the audience that he has been struggling with coming to terms with his is either goodness or is evil And this is his moment where he finally realizes and accepts that he is good Which would be fine if if it showed that he had any understanding for those terms meant Which he doesn't because he doesn't actually know what good and evil mean when he first hears the term Yeah, he he's basically just like a baby when he falls from the sky It's not like he's like he has an evil nature And he's trying to keep it back or something like that It doesn't really work with the way that they've presented this character and man imagine like If you knew the harvests really well and you're like i've been inspired to do good by them you'd be like oh, shit Was that you're gonna eat us like what does that mean? Yeah He's good with in quotation. I do like that. He's put on on the harvests scale Good is saving the harvests in this case. Okay Right No Definitely I like the with with the still image and the contraction which of course makes it sound incredibly casual If you look if you hadn't seen the scene and you looked at the still image on screen now What sort of tone of voice would you imagine that being delivered in if you like if you hadn't seen the show? Because I would look at that and I think he's just he's casually saying like I'm good and then denying like an invitation. This is after he annihilates him. He's like I'm good. Yeah, you can have it be. I'm praising my own skill or nah. I'm all right. Thank you You wouldn't have expected it to be literally. I am morally positive I help people because I'm nice It's just because no this was genius because some of the people in the writing room were like There are some people out there who won't grasp this that he's had an arc that he's understanding things We have him say I'm good Like who's gonna make the mistake at that point All coming together all the pieces someone out there might have said like I think he's bad And they'd be like no, no, no, dude. Look look look and they pull up the script and they're like see where he says I'm good Pretty sure that means he's good and then the other person's like Oh, I I must have stepped out or I was doing something else. Okay. I forgot that one But he was evil. I was too busy being blown away by the incredible CGI Yes Do you think they even understood The mix between saying that your actions define you and therefore the words don't matter and you you just Do good and you are good and then you have to tell everybody that I'm good Yeah, it's like Southlands Mordor. You can't rely on people to infer it has to be told So I thought this was hilarious. He's like, I'm good. Boom. But then this happens and she immediately goes skeleton mode. I was like, oh Jesus Rates or some shit what the actual fuck is going on. Is that what that's supposed to be? They're like They are really they can't because there are no rings for to make them raise. All right They're freeing race. They're just race. Right. Look at these three The middle what she Is the middle one looks like a sad skull. She's sticking her head out the window of a moving car. Look, it's a sad skull Like where did she get the crown though? I was thinking that yeah, it's good. It's wearing a crown Like this is this is the witch king of angmar scene. Like the ghost is crowned still and it's just They're clearly going for that But and I've seen people on twitter say what the fuck why they're why they're Nazgul now and I don't think there are I can't the show can't surely have Introduced ring register before there are rings. I think you'll assume a theory. There is the correct one of just look Like that other thing you knew remember. Yeah The one on the right doesn't seem bothered by this One in the middle seems sad the one on the left like rag sadists enjoying having the wind blown in the I love the subtitle. I'm good is still there just I'm good Oh, this scene was bad that they just keep doing it. They can't make a good scene It's like beyond that capabilities. I'm gonna turn you into moths I don't know why this is what's happening, but it is And if gondola can do with ghost Or I revealed you as ghosts Like you were ghost all along or I turned you into go because I could turn your ghost into moths So did I turn you into a ghost? I guess that's what you do when you kill stone. You turn them into a ghost guys. You really think we have the answers for this I have no idea what this means. I don't even know if they're dead That's true. They might just be like fuck this. I would I hope they're dead because I find them irritating, but I really hope they're not dead I do actually want to understand what the fuck is going on at some point in this show So if they're never going to bring them back and that's just it Which I suspect is the thing they will do. They'll just be gone now and no one will ever address it again That's just gonna be really really annoying. I actually I kind of want to know at least what the rules are that they're fucking around with but We're not gonna get that. I thought they'd come back with like, uh, other easterlings and just in bigger numbers Maybe yeah, we'll get like a seven nine of the what have we got nine? That would be so cool What if they rode horses What if they wore black next to black this time likes it moths don't like rivers it all that's all coming together Someone asked me, uh, does this mean that the moths and lord of the rings are these witches turned into slaves? It'll be funny. I I just don't even know What they want us to think from this because he still says i'm good Really hammering it Oh wind whooshing. There you go Uh, but yeah, I I don't know exactly what they want us to draw for this, but holy fuck gandalf. That was a pretty powerful move You just did there. I hope you use it What I was told was that killing going out of your way to try and kill hork kill orcs isn't good But it's good to kill witches. Yes So that's a little confusing That's remember turn them into moths Oh, yeah, yeah, because if gladiatorals like you didn't kill those witches, right? He's like, no, no, I turn them into moths Like, oh good good good You don't want to darken your heart I haven't killed them. I've just ensured that they will die of natural causes imminent. They'll enjoy the life cycle, you know We'll have kids and we'll have kids Gorge is wonderful circle of life Oh, no, sadox dead And this is a really weird scene because Yeah, very weird scene. No, nobody suggests the magical man that does amazing things might be able to save him Or medicine or resting or lay there will go get help Or I know the herbs of the forest or they don't try to do anything. He basically says like I don't want to I'm right actually. I don't want to live this show is cringe This is this show is so shit. I would literally rather die See he's not even he doesn't even seem to be in pain. He's not dying It is just a case of voluntarily checking out It really feels like he opted to leave because he'd been stabbed and that's an option you have as a character in a fiction Like I can just go now the rules. Bye I don't want to stay even to the point of him saying like I'd like to see the sunrise And then the sun just rises immediately. I'm just like, well, there you go. Oh, I thought that would take longer At all I just don't know why he's he's accepted this. He's just resigned to death. Yeah. Yeah, and that's the That's it. That's him. That's his character. I know early as he resigned to it, but everybody else is too They just like passively accept this rather than oh, I guess he wants to die. So I mean, yeah, he's he's just You're deboss Dying here is probably better than being left behind by the harphids. So that's true because they Know Yeah Yeah, but so them by the way saying he is the east star that's like the star of the the wizards, right? Yeah, they're the history. Yeah, so it's a collective We're close to a full Confirmation of exactly who he is But I would say the closest we get is his I think last line in this episode that a lot of people were not happy with And we'll get to it. Hey Back to numinal plot line Um, they even so we're writing out of things to fill this episode with and so they have this shot of What are the sailors just slow motion walking over the ship? It's just like why like well Because it will take longer if we put it in slow motion. Yeah Yeah That's filmmaking. That's the art of filmmaking the the language of filmmaking. What does that tell you? What is this saying in a language of filmmaking? And uh, we go below deck and see the Elendil's talking to muriel And he's trying to move around the ship by memorizing all the steps to go different places And then he says you're doing well and she says patronize me again like that and I will take your ship So muriel's a prick and I'm glad she's I just you they always do that with the show. They never are you Never have a piece of dialogue where I go. Oh, that was neat. That says a lot about them and that that fits the thing and And nothing has happened between this scene And essentially the one before where he said I I should have left the elf in the sea But he has entirely changed his whole position on elves just for this boat for no reason Oh, fuck. What does he say in total here? He's like you once asked me why I pulled it from the sea And you're like, yeah, what about what his name mines? Yeah, my name. Yeah, it's because it looks at the stars or something like that But his yeah, the other meaning of his name is elf friend I did what I did because my name means a thing Yeah, that's good. They wrote that and they had him say it and it's so Stupid and it hurts his character so much. Did you do it because you it was the right thing to do Because you felt sorry for her because she reminded you of someone because if it doesn't no, it's because my name means elf friend So if I see an elf, I better help him because my I don't want to have an ironic name It's just because you had the whole exchange with miriel in episodes Um three three, I think it's three Where she she says your name has a second meaning doesn't it and he says yes It's elf friend they have the whole argument when he explains. Well, he pulled her out because The sea is always right and and he did what he thought was right Which at least affords him agency and a decision And something that you can then critique And then you have that weird exchange where she says if that's what you wish or whatever it is But if you then just yeah, if you just reduce it to no, I did it because because my name says says a thing I Now actually it's not it's not contradicting his character. It just it actually just takes character away from him entirely That just means he's he's predetermined by linguistics When she says in response to all of that that like my father once said about faith that you Could expect like there will be a price and that you should like be unwavering And then he's like well sometimes the price is quite a bit and she's like yes It is and he's like well may as well continue having faith as if to say My faith in elf friend is costing me a lot and it's like yeah, well Some cost fallacy no point to stop it now like you've already paid the price like what is this? What are we learning from this? You have to check the meeting of your name and follow whatever it says I don't think it's the show hasn't done this property at all I don't think the faith part isn't I don't think it's supposed to be about his name It's not faith in his name and the meaning of his name So the point of the faithful which is the the term has popped up in the show before And in relation to both of these characters and the point of the faithful is that they are supposed to be faithful To the valour which by extension means faithful to the elves because the elves are the firstborn and they are the closest In line to the valour and so the faith aspect I don't think it's supposed to come across as well My name says so therefore I must but because it's just dropped in the word faithful Really without context and not particularly memorably That's how it does come across when he says it in this line and she's one of the faithful as well So the point they're supposed to be I think be hinting at is Back to all this factional arrangement that exists in numinor But because the show is just so incompetently written nobody would actually grasp that unless they'd read the law stuff That the show is discarded in all other respects Have they even shown the other faction no apart from parazon has a band of sort of plebs who are Very hostile to the elves that they're the anti-immigrant lot But they haven't been defined really as a faction and they don't think they've been named as the kingsmen either So it is just we've had mention of the faithful That's basically it. I think that's what they're referring to here, but it hasn't been properly explained or set up so nobody would know Uh, so they sort of total earlier in the episode the black sales means the king has died and then a couple scenes later They're like black sales boys The kings died Ah Next season there will be a fight for power. It'll be as good as house the dragon. I'm sure of it The cool ships that they didn't send to invade the earth And I can't believe how these people would feel about the fact that like wait one is coming back Everybody is wounded and the queen has lost her fucking vision. How did you guys fuck up so badly in a couple of days? Can you believe a volcano exploded? Are they like no you're like, oh, well that that actually happened You trust it. We will all confirm that all of our stories are straight Yep Um, and then there's an explosion In kelo brimbo's forging place Turns out, uh, even with their most powerful tools the mithril is proud And they can't get it to seal with other Merge with other metals despite their incredible force and my god The fucking way they suggest us. I hate this so much like you present. This is an issue The metal refuses to merge with other metals like oh, that sounds annoying like so. How do we do it then? Like well, uh, and he's like we need more time to feel like we don't have time And then gladrials like perhaps we've been pushing ourselves too hard Which I don't know how that helps like anything right now, but that clues whole brand did to a particular piece of wisdom Perhaps we're pushing the metal too hard and instead of trying to Crush it together with giant whatever the fuck we're doing. It should be drawn or coaxed together The metal is likely, you know, unionized and so you gotta You know, how would it how it goes? It's actually baffling because they keep trying to make it so that it's saran's little decisions that allow these rings to be made But right now We've already had the absolute dumb ass three before but this time It's how do you merge metals and it's like kella brimble was literally smashing them together like a barbie and kendole Just like come on do the thing and then saran's like maybe we should melt them together And like, uh, isn't that what you normally do? I mean, I assumed they were melting them, but also doing it under pressure But I thought they were trying to imply that the mithril is almost semi sentient Like the one ring is meant to have kind of I kind of get that impression because you said coax the metals and like what? Yeah, and it's proud. Why wouldn't you try melting them together? Isn't that something a normal smith would do? Yes, but we've already established that the master smith kella brimble is a moron And is this tied to episode one stuff about the the experiments in in the northern the very far northern fortress when he's They find out because I think they use the line don't they about the forces beyond this one And so this is sort of saran's Moment of realization as well, I guess so you could kind of excuse it on the grounds that He's put a lot of work and research into this and so he's jumped to this conclusion Because of that past work and experience where other people might not have done because they haven't done that work My whole issue is that this is something that kella brimble would try it's like how do we Fucking hit a hole in this wall and we have three tools a hammer a chisel in a I don't know a blanket And you're like well trial three see what happens. It's like a video game at this point. Look, this is not complicated I don't know why he keeps solving these problems to discover new recipes Also, I'm not a metallurgist or anything like that. I would assume though that if you're experimenting With trying to get different metals to bond for an alloy You would probably start at lower pressure and lower temperature and then work your way up rather than just start at maximum pressure And if it doesn't work, just carry on the point where it explodes kills a whole bunch of people So anyway, he comes down to tell glad you're the good news But the thing is they're gonna have to make something smaller than a crown You know something smaller, but that kind of like a circle bracelet like a hmm. Maybe maybe a break a brace So that maybe something else. I don't know Hey, whatever and then she's like hey, tell me who you are And he's like, whoa, what do you mean? You know exactly who I am. She's like, no, uh, who you really are He's like, oh Philadril, I don't know what you're looking about And then she like tosses that that's hilarious by the way like she tosses the thing and it's like slightly in front of her As if to imply come and pick it up And then she explains what it is after he's looked at it And then she explains what it is after he's looked at it like just an awkward like are you gonna tell me what that is? Are you gonna Then he goes over and picks it up. Anyway, right to have a look Just funny because Just just because all these people who aren't related to you All right And yeah, so she's exposed him live in 4k that he's not in the line of men And he says well, I did tell you I wasn't And then she was It is entirely a fair response He could have just said like is it is it so bad for you know, uh, You know a humble smith to want to be something greater to be a king or something like that Oh, yeah, but he's retarded though That's true If you do factor in that he is retarded then it does make sense that he goes actually i'm spooky ha But it's not just him because apparently Okay, so she's found this out now And okay big reveal But he was in the southlands a little while ago. Yeah And They were told that their king had returned They're the people who know whether they have a king or not because of broken lineage And when they were told that stupid, they're They'll just be like, oh, all right. He's our king. Yeah, it's like no one thinks to mention It's your king If surely someone would have mentioned hang on a minute the king died like a thousand years ago He had no he had no children so that can't be They must know they don't know anything. Why did they never replace him? Yeah, well what was the arrangement in that region that the in the preceding a subsequent thousand years But then you had angry white teenage kid in episode one shouting angrily about the return of their true king So oh, yeah I'm not even sure the writers remembered Or knew ever what was was going on here But the people of the southlands should have been in a position to say when he was presented to them as their Is their true king the descendant maybe maybe actually this guy can't be our king. Sorry Couldn't you say he's a bastard and that no one knew about him? Uh, may I miss that if he did it's possible. No, couldn't you say it? I mean, oh couldn't he he cut it? Yeah I'm just like so think about the motivations of him right now. Does he just want to tell here you sauron in this scene Or is he seeing this as i'm cornered i'm gonna have to tell you I can I guess he wants to because he isn't cornered whether or not he thinks he's cornered. I guess is I'm trying to tell if this is an opportunity to lure her to his side Yeah, I would argue he's a little too early on that one He did it in a super creepy way. He did the they always do it that way right every time Every time a villainous character tries to tempt a hero over at something shit He shows them a pillar of skulls and says look this can be yours Wow, he never tried. Yeah Uh, it's so annoying. Yeah, there's this moment I thought it was just kind of funny where she's like, but you save me on the raft He's like you save me on the raft. It's like well you both No, she didn't save him at all The only thing she did on that raft is like give him a hand up but where to get back on which I'm sure he could have done his own Then she says you convince miriel to save the man of middle-earth and he's like well You convinced it that I was just like yeah, that's true. I think gladrile knows that she was pushy as fuck Like unless you're talking about that final speech that he gave that we never saw Is the fact that uh, he actually really did save her life when she went overboard on the raft Is that ever gonna get brought up like she kind of owes him a little bit or does that mean anything? Wasn't anything reasonable Oh Okay, and she's like you fought beside me that he's like against your enemy and mine Which I don't even understand as a clarification. It's like isn't that the implied thing they bought with me Yeah orcs are our both of our enemies that sounds weird for saran to do saran to do to kill orcs He's fighting eight orcs. Yeah Which is killed him essentially stabbed him And yeah, she's like tell me your name is I think he says I've been I've been awake before the break of the first silence And uh, I guess that was a long time ago. It's probably a long time ago. Yeah, and then he says I have had many names And I'm just like why would you can you just said your name is george? Some have called me I just sort of said why why like reveal the big the big potatoes evil Yeah, he even plays some evil music in the background. Why would you do? He tells the creators of the show to play the evil music just in case you were confused as to his true nature What a like I just wanted to point out by the way, we've we've always been breaking down these episodes with this knowledge already but like How absurd like adar is saran? Oh, no, he's not. Oh, okay. Well gandalf is no. No. No, he's not It's hull brand. Oh my god It was that guy. His story was going nowhere I just don't understand like for anybody you had no idea that was coming. How does that come across you just feel like what? That's saran like yep Okay And so to clarify next saran has the ability to make you hallucinate very vivid Dreams to the point of like you being immobilized presumably, right? I guess I guess Yeah, he has loads of powers in the law. He can shape shift. He can turn into werewolves and vampires. I don't think he's got sort of minds How many werewolves? He had quite a lot, but he could turn into one. Yeah. All right over a dozen I wouldn't I don't know probably. Yes. He had a whole fortress of the island. All right. That's fair enough. All right All right, I'm just checking. I'm just curious Uh What's her in dreamland back with her brother? And he's just like you can you can calm down now Great all over Uh, I think she's like aware that this is bullshit, but she doesn't do much about it for a while. Let's him speak for a little bit Um, I think he's just like saran trying to convince her that he's actually a good guy The difficult I suppose I guess he's trying to convince her that he Isn't evil anymore Yeah Um, there's a which I'm like Speaking of power not to destroy middle earth But to heal it Then why how come you guys are all super dark and evil? What's that about? So the music and the dumping burning I guess he isn't yet or he isn't necessarily Um, but he already had a saran outfit earlier, right? I remember him like Teared That's true. Yes. Um, I guess they've kind of forgotten about that Or whether whether the argument is actually the okay Well, that's that was his and if you if you go back to like the film really for example He sided with morgoth not because He actually agreed with what morgoth was doing in the sense that he liked evil dark fiery stuff He did it because his first and abiding love is this sense of like cosmic order And he just thought well morgoth wants this and he can get it more quickly than I can I'm not actually evil I just think that this is the most efficient way to do what I want to do in terms of establishing order in the world And it happens to be that morgoth then turns him evil after that sort of that invitation Obviously, we've got none of that in this show It depends how much they want to backfill in subsequent seasons as to whether they do that And I I get that's the only way I've been able to sort of read his subsequent I I'm not evil. I just want you know to heal the world I'm not a dark force. I'm just I'm value neutral. Essentially. I just want order is the ultimate technocrat and um, I don't It's it's just really weird trying to read in and I think Going back to the good thing you said earlier like people who didn't know what was coming. How would they have taken this? It is weird because I think they've deliberately not they've not given him any motive It's not that they've given him motive to be good He's not it isn't a choice between good or evil. It's just a case that Well, if we keep him completely blank Then we can do whatever we want with him It will jar up when the audience sees it, but at least then it allows us to get to this point without doing too much work as writers It but it makes very little sense if any at all and it goes against everything We know at this point because he's like I want to heal the earth But his last plan was to blow up the volcano and make all the land dark Land for evil to not what was it? Not just living but prosper or something like that. So That's Adar's plan. It is Adar's plan, but I'm sure Sauron is the one that constructed all of it Didn't he set it all up Sauron? Yeah, I say it was Sauron's plan that Adar Completed yeah from what I thought and Adar did it because he wants to have a place where the orcs can be chill Because he just stayed where they were before I guess now. I have a theory Okay, he says You killed my brother and then he says collateral. Why would you say that and it cuts back to it? And they were like when you say you killed my brother, you're gonna want to be feeling a lot here You're feeling a lot. There's a lot of feels so we're gonna need you to cry And then they filmed it and she wasn't crying and she was having trouble with this She was like, oh fuck. I can't get the tears out and they're like We can do the thing. We'll cut away from you and we'll cut back We'll have the little squirty bottle and we'll get a couple of tears going. It'll be fine They didn't put in her right eye though instead. They squeezed three tears into her left eye and nothing in her right eye And so It just looks super awkward to me. I don't believe this is a genuine set of tears right now. I think this is awkwardly put No, her eyes aren't red No, she just her eye her eyelids aren't really It's no, it's totally fucking. Can you see you got one sliding down just a little bit one really far down Then there's one in the middle at the top. I don't know if it comes through very well on this video But this just it looks like someone squeezed in this area and three dropped out All at the same time that's very rare for tears to do that By the way, at least as far as I'm aware. Anyway, they don't just like three come out of different directions of your eye at the same time And nothing in your other eye. That's just strange to me. Yeah doesn't light up Someone said CGI If you're gonna CGI tears, why would you do it this way? Because it's it could be it actually could be yeah But like wouldn't if you're gonna CGI it wouldn't you want to try and make her eyes match As Rags just said you want that little bit of redness in there I I mean like I just I don't know if the director just said add tears. Maybe I mean, I could believe it's the squeezy ball Either way, it's not real and this is a failure of acting So I don't know how much I could blame you for not being emotionally attached to this scene, but This one's like, yeah, you just put eye drops in their eyes The camera isn't rolling to me. It really seems like they put it in what I forgot the other word that they just went with it That's gonna be awkward though. Like if you have to use eyedroppers, right? Like that's That would be kind of awkward. Yeah, I have to use a lifeline. You want to be able to cry on key as an actor, right? That's like a meme of like it'll it'll get Like when you can't act you do the like face and you like sort of But you know tears come out Yeah, meanwhile a lot of actors like Daisy Ridley is an actress that can just like start crying as if everything is Some people seem to be able to do it on command. Yeah, like they can just do it instantly Um, I I guess it just I imagine it's a little bit awkward It's like, uh, damn like I need to use like an eyedropper, you know Our protagonist can't cry For her essentially Behind her I would find it difficult to fault anybody because it's like what is there to latch on to with this character to like really fuel That like do you even fully is even can you even fully understand like what the point is what they're going for with this with this character, you know I don't know Jesus Christ rings of power season two will tell a more canonical story according to the Lord ring showrunners They may well be viewers who are like this is the story we were hoping to get in season one in season two We're giving it to them But how how can you do that given that they fucked up the entire premise? The foundation so now how do you know the foundation in a canonical way? Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Yeah, it's like, um It's it's it's screwed Yeah, listen guys the the first floor was really unstable, but the second floor is gonna be really well done Who'd be like if they made a halo season two, which I assume they are Yeah, and then I was I was actually gonna say if it was with halo season two and they're like we're gonna be more faithful It's like it's too late. It's too late. Yeah, up to all the phone. Do you already have to you have to restart you have to Yeah, you have to restart or you have to commit to your version of halo, which is crap Because halo five destroys everything and then halo infinite They try to ignore as much of it as possible, but it's like you can't though. It is your it is your canon You've established it. You have to follow through They could only do that if they actually like meant it They already proved when they did things like five responses to fan criticism and they were arseholes about it all the way through They were just sarky. They were having to go at people that was one of the said Oh, well, you know talking didn't actually write this or if you can show me where the hairstyles are written And so they clearly don't care and I think they're willing to just say whatever they think they need to say That's kind of calm people down It's kind of like when you know, we're going back to our roots like with this with this new game or film It's like are you though or are you just saying that because that's what you think people want to hear Similarly here like we're going back to canon. It's like well depends on our definition Like it's just worthless. You screwed it up like that you can't it's it's really tarnished Like your story straight foundation is is uh crap Like, you know when you go from here, you've just got nothing to work with And it's not even as though that they can they can repurpose the material they have used because Part part of the problem is part of the you know, the many many many law breaks that there are Is the the creation of of established characters in this show who they will have to run with Who cannot exist in this period of time? I think ellendil and the seal door shouldn't be a thing Not even sure elrond is is really born by the time the this series starts. He actually marry. I think he marries gladrials Uh door. Is it a daughter? I think um There are characters that you've got in places and in regions and territories like numinor It should not be where it is doing what it's doing at this period of time But you've established these things you can't go more law relevant in season two Given the it's it's not just that you've discarded things in season one It's that you've created things where they cannot yet exist and you will have to follow through with those things So Yeah, no That just sounds like yeah, it just buzzwords. You're you're sort of saying what you think people want to hear, but it's impossible Unless like it's impossible to reconcile And it'll create the little defenders as well So that if anyone starts criticizing it from the previous season you'll get people well They know they said they'll follow the kind of moral next time and so it tries to head off No, no what they'll do is next season will be shit And then people will criticize it for being shit and then they'll say what do you mean? This is what you wanted. It's more canonical Like yeah, like this is what you wanted, right? Like when people said the rise of sky Rise of Skywalker, yeah That's Jedi. So this is this is what you wanted. It's like Man, this false dilemma or false dichotomy that you're presenting here is is uh pretty funny You're only to accept shit or another version of shit. There's no world where it can be good and what you wanted There's the other bit of it as well, which is that No, I've had people tell me well, you only hate it because you're a Tolkien nerd and you're obsessed with the law It's like no That you could you could make it law relevant if you wanted to the major problem with this show isn't just that it breaks With the law is that it's so awfully written And like you could make it more law-accurate if you wanted to you could introduce new characters or new devices or new places But if the writing quality remains as it is in season one It's not going to be any better and probably will be worse because of the uses or the misuses To which you're putting the law relevant material So if you want to fix anything get basically competent writers first and then maybe look at expanding the law accuracy, but But we don't value writing it off. It wasn't anything like the law, but it was written really well I doubt many people would actually complain at all. I think people ultimately receptive to good stories and I think um Maybe like inspired by Lord of the Rinker inspired by tata tata and it was a really good story people We'd be totally fine with that if you may well have uh conversations where people would have preferred for it to be more I mean it's the same with fucking halo like The main problem with it is that it's just bad on its own terms. It's annoying that you then discarded better material, you know, it's like it adds insult to injury You made something worse. You had the material there that was stronger and you discarded it because you thought you could do better So anyway Yeah, uh, you've got the scene up Yeah, they're doing a big old shout each other really Maybe I want to highlight from this conversation life. I really funny. She's basically like he's like I thought we were friends and she's like you're a friend of morgoth And he's like you're being mean. I want to be a I want to be a goodman She's like nothing can redeem you and he said but you said I could then she goes. Yeah, but you deceived me And he goes. Yeah, but you said anything could work. I just think it's this whole dynamic is hilarious. She's legit Listening to sarron say I could be a good guy that she's like nah, you're super evil Like he's never even evil forever and you could never change. Why not entertain this? Galadriel. She's be like, okay Be a good guy then prove it What's that sorry He was actually honest with her the entire time. He said he wasn't the king of the southlands She forced him there. He wanted to be in another island. She brought him here Everything still fought with her. She was in control of and he actually did everything she told him to do and he managed to fix calabrum balls problems I know that she's holding against him that he's done a bunch of stuff including killing her brother and everything But he's basically just saying like yeah, I regret all of the past stuff You said that we have evil deeds in our past and we can be redeemed for them, right? And she's like no He only came back when he was like, well, I want to find peace over here I want to leave my past life behind and she said no you can't You will there will be nothing for you here. You have to go back. So And this is all her fault Yeah, you'd be dead without him Surely that that that balances the scales somewhat with the whole brother thing, right? Also, there's this shot, I think that Like this is one of the ones on twitter, right the people are praising cinema It's um, it's a little too predictable at this point Like the kind of things that just get praised in like film and television twitter I'm just saying man rings of power viral praise involves a screenshot or maybe someone's saying yay About like a concept that's barely in it. I mean my rings of power Sorry, how's the dragon goes like trending after the recent episode because of a particular actor's performance And across all the episodes and what that story means coming to a close and all clips of him talking about it Whereas in this case I What what what is one to say about this imagery like that is longer than a paragraph What is one to say about this that isn't what it is? Right that it's a shot of sauron and galatrial reflection on the On the water and you think it kind of looks cool Like that's what else is there Because what is this symbolized in terms of the relationship that they have and how it was developed over the course of the season What does it have to say thematically in relation to you know, the core themes of the show, which I couldn't tell you what they are I have no idea what the point of the show is It tells us it's core themes Is it even that dissimilar to dark ray in So Yeah at one point during this when she gets mad at him she says I should have left you on the sea Which really doesn't make sense. It's like He saved you It's not really made that choice again some uh, again some kanobi vader vibes Yeah, I can't believe they wrote that Um, so yeah, they get really mad at each other and they create several good thumbnails Uh Right. Yeah, I will He's his eyes are going evil Now his face is going evil. Yeah, he's getting an evil face because he's getting all angry By the way, this is caused because he sells her on the idea that he's access to power She's access to light together. They can save middle earth and then she says save it or rule it And this is where he fumbles. He says I see no difference between those things Instead he should probably have said save it I plan to save it that would be lying to her. I don't think he's ever lied to her He's like he's just telling her his worldview at this point. Yeah, but like For one, I I'm assuming that that's going to be something of a uh, like he's deceiving, right? Isn't that his whole thing? I thought that was the whole point I don't think he wants to I think they're going for that whole You know, I could rule anyone else trick anyone else, but with you I want to be honest I want you to do it consensually kind of thing because I was gonna say I'll grant that on the other hand Is this so bad? That he's saying we can rule well That's so bad. Yeah, we could be yeah every How many people how many peasants across the planet Want to be king and that it's not that's not an evil thing. That's not a bad thing Why is it bad to want to to rule? It's like all these kingdoms have a king. He's suggesting that she makes the decisions By the way, he provides the power. She provides the light Implying that she's the one that will make sure that he stays good rather than bad He also offers to make a McQueen as well, which is yeah, he does often But it's it's she's already she's rejected She's already rejected the idea of going back to Valinor in order to return to Middle Earth In order to exercise her will upon this place anyway She might have done that in the name of saving it She might not have done and she suggests that she hasn't So that's that's already exercising agency without real moral purpose And then she's going to go on to essentially be a queen in Lothlórien anyway So all she's rejected is unclear what precisely she is rejecting here and what the difference actually is that she's The elves have a king and The elves have a high king. They also have a couple of kings and the men have a king There are lots of kings in this world I don't understand what she thinks the difference is between ruling and saving Middle Earth I mean the point of a king a good king is to attempt to you know save Fuck of course her whole goal was to install a king save Middle Earth And install him as king and oh no, he wants to be a king the person i'm installing Uh-oh And she left Valinor specifically too ruled and she so Yeah In in the law she did in the law she left Valinor because she wanted a kingdom of her And as she refused to go back because she wanted to continue exercising her free will I don't think the show is established that Um, but in the law. Yeah, she wants she wants a kingdom or a queen. Do I suppose of her own? Oh, so uh, they shout at each other As you can see very fun amusing I don't see how people aren't giggling when they see this. Oh god. Look at the spit. Oh, I think that might be cg Look at those eyes. Oh, he's gone so evil Oh Look at him. Oh, she's angry too. Look at it. Go. I'll put on my Uh Oh, no the blade stopped now. She's drowning rip. May remember this time where I saved you Yeah, this time that's not happening. I'm gonna get you this time. She's been mean to me Yeah, by the way, I saved your life. I put myself at great risk to save your life. You're welcome by the way Oh god, there's so much stupid left in this episode too There is actually The half of us is like 10 minutes of just literally nothing you can see. Yeah, that's actually true We'll get through that bit fast. It's more so the when she gets back into real world God, it's like I'll try and go through slowly ish because because there's a lot In terms of how this breaks down chronologically, but yeah, she wakes up in the special little river outside of kelo brimbo's little building of 4g building and elrond's there and he's like what the hell's going on She tries to kill him of course because she's glad real and she's a very strange person That's how she greets people I think And she's like prove your elrond. Where did we first meet? I want to stop right there. Okay What you what have we learned about elrond? Uh, sorry sarron Like well, he can access your deepest and most meaningful memories. He can even make you hallucinate anything he wants seemingly so First and foremost, how do you know this is real? Yeah, how could you possibly know that? You shouldn't know this is real. He's supposed to be able to shape shift That's one thing but now they've introduced as you say there's this memory sharing dynamic the only If I were working very hard on the writer's behalf, I'd say well if he killed her brother Then at least he knows something of well then because he wouldn't have known that it was her brother. So I don't know who would because she told him I get maybe maybe because he had direct involvement with her brother's death You could you could just kind of force your way to saying He has at least some knowledge of that whereas he would have none of elrond's back story But I think that's complete compensation Well, someone said it is because it's not glowy That could be it when he grabs you into a little simulation. It's all glowy, but Uh question number two because I think we could solve that first one. Anyway, two Why would you ask to grant like like some piece of information from the past when number one elrond might not remember? Like it could be. Yeah, it could be really awkward. You'd be like, oh fuck. It was like a birthday Yeah, meanwhile would sarron know it's like more than likely. Yes, he seems to have full access to your deepest and darkest memories Yeah, why would you even bother? How does this help you like it could sarron could be like, oh, we bet the the summer glade you would dance they go Whatever the fuck is she's like, oh thank god. He's like Yeah Definitely Why'd you say that elrond? Why do you love elrond? He's like what? I was just talking to myself Yeah, you wouldn't go like to do that. Yeah, I'm elrond So, um, yeah, it's also worth noting that elrond doesn't seem to react that much to gladiator nearly fucking killing him. Yeah She doesn't seems to care and he doesn't bring it up later for that. Well, yeah So it's it's especially insane because um, he does clear clear this up, I guess But he doesn't ask her why she's freaking out or why she was in there in a sense that he gets an answer that's satisfying at all I don't know if it's too early to say but she doesn't tell people what happened here Which is why why in the world would you not tell anybody what happened here? Is uh, what what possible reason is there to not tell anybody what happened The show's reason which isn't good But it's what they use is there's a line where he says All right, something like you can't tell anyone because how could you tell anyone that you created sarron? um, it's not even true Well, it is because she brought him back. He wanted to stay in numinor and leave everything behind No, but I mean like any reasonable person would just be like that was sarron. She's like, yeah, I know crazy, right? He was lying the whole time. Yeah, like oh, yeah Are they gonna blame her for that like how how could she possibly know this and you know what it's too late It's a responsibility She needs to tell them because he's been directly involved with the creation of these rings Which should give you pause for thought like wait, why was he so invested in doing this if he's our greatest enemy? And oh could you imagine if like them not realizing that? Like if that like the consequences of them not realizing mostly, you know, everybody else not understanding like what they've said in motion Yeah, it causes the literally the one rig to be able to take over exactly Yeah, like imagine and it's because she didn't that would be really bad for her character Yeah, what i'm so what i'm saying is first of all, I think it would be in character for her to tell them But secondly that it's immoral not to tell them. It's incredibly important. Yeah, but they might think of me worse Like don't be selfish colladriel Also, first off they already do This also already do what sorry the consequences what they already think they already think they're worse to her Oh, right. Yeah, I get I mean they don't but we do I mean and plus. Yeah, you you got to tell elrond surely Like even if you don't think people won't will believe you you you still tell them Oh, I think they might But also you have to tell elrond He's desperate to get to kelo brimbaugh because she needs to know if the rings have been forged or not And I was just I was amused by this right because she sees elrond immediately demands proof that this is elrond Then she walks around and she eventually gets to the tower sees kelo brimbaugh and talks to him as though He's definitely kelo brimbaugh. He's like, oh, we give it up on the whole saran could be any one thing. Okay Because I was like she did it for one person and then she gave up Yeah, that that just seems to be a thing where Writers forget that characters don't know who is the shape shifter. Yeah So they act as if the writers have the or the characters have the writers knowledge on who is or isn't The shape shifter whether it's imitating voices Whether it's you know changing your form, you know physically It wasn't shape-shifting though was it it was dream world. So once she's out of the dream world She assumes she stayed out of it kind of thing And so for those wondering how could she possibly get away with not explaining this well Elrond the fucking spineless loser Says why is it that you're saying we can't speak to whole brand ever again? Where did he go and what happened in that river and kelo brimbaugh is as well like what the fuck happened there? And she says elrond you once said you'd never make the mistake of not trusting me Uh, you never make that mistake again. He's like, uh, you're making it difficult to keep that promise So basically don't ask me And I worry in this moment I half wondered whether galadriel was actually saran in disguise at this moment Um, like you have the thing dynamic at play like maybe because there's a hard cut between the last time we see her Maybe it's this is actually him and that's why they proceed with The forwarding of the rings and she's not she's deliberately not telling them anything about him Um, I thought that that could have made a really interesting show. So of course that's not gonna be what happened I just realized the one time elrond keeps a promise is the one time he shouldn't I think they're playing into the whole galadriel is evil idea because I think in season two they still want her to be going after saran and they still want They all will she won't she kind of love thing between them. Oh god I don't want to have to watch that. I got a two-year buffer period. I guess but still Yeah, because this is pure dark and they even get elrond on side like right at the end so So They give up on asking her what happened. They just don't care anymore. They're like, oh, whatever It's just like what incredibly important news I have confirmed that saran is not only alive. He was with us for a while Like gather all the information we can try and get by the tell people what hull brand looks like That's one of the many potential ways you'll look. There's so much stuff to do so much. It's so important but no It's I want to keep it a secret I don't want people to know I'm fucking useless Everyone's useless I was like confused when I was first watching this I was I was waiting for the scene where she would explain it but just no And uh, yeah, uh, then something really fucking strange happens. So kelly brimbo says should we can uh proceed And she says no and he's like, oh no, and then she says we must make three rings One will always corrupt two will divide three will give balance Your logic is impeccable. That's incredible Fucking stupid show. That's incredibly stupid I've never heard such a like A harshly dumb Interpretation of what those numbers can mean you could have said one will provide leadership two will provide balance three will provide chaos Yeah I mean, she's never she's never played planet side two obviously that was the idea that three different factions will balance each other She so she's under the impression that you need three because when two people disagree You'll have a third person to sort out as if nothing else could ever happen What if three people get corrupted? It's already bad if one gets corrupted If two people side against one person by definition, you've got imbalance I do love that though. One is corruption two isn't it's like why Why can't the two why can't you have two of the ones? So fucking dumb and you were planning on crowding gilgillad Is that gonna be one? Fucking hell And yeah, she says the powers we forged today must be for the elves alone untouched by other hands. I'm not even wasn't that the plan No, well Yes, and so none of this none of this should be happening. Um, obviously I agree There were a mass So I do I don't even begin with the issues like There are supposed to I think there is it 19 rings in total Sauron is present for all of this because by having a hand in creating the rings of power multiple of them 19 of them Sauron is then able to make the one ring And use the the subordinate rings the 19 to control all the races of Middle Earth So that includes the men and he tries with the dwarves as well All of these are made at roughly speaking the same time as at the sort of it's over a period obviously But it's it's not like you make three and then at some point in season two or three Maybe we get around to making another nine for the men and seven for the dwarves But because Sauron isn't there anymore Either how how do they even introduce these for the purposes to which they're put You want to know end of season two the dwarves will get them end of season three The men will get them end of season four the one ring will be forged and then end of season five Well, it'll end with someone going and here is born Bilbo Baggins Look at this cute little baby That might actually do that Honestly like this moment It breaks the entire setup for the Lord of the Rings like the whole point of Sauron And his bid to corrupt all people the creation of the ringwraiths The reason the rings exist in the first place is here just completely discarded And everything else they've discarded what they've made in its place has been abysmal So i'm really looking forward to seeing or not how they will actually Even try and create the rest of these rings and still manage to tie it in with the the Jackson films Which were at least sort of faithful Yeah, there are so many The connotations as well to the way in which they've screwed this up There's too many to mention the entire setup for the Lord of the Rings is At least threatened by this scene if not completely demolished Yep, I've seen a lot of that sentiment from a lot of Lord of the Rings fans. It's like Yeah, that surprised me at all Anyway to make this character based in some way Caleb Rimbaud's like hey gladrile in order to make the three rings We're going to need some gold and silver of exquisite quality And obviously being one of the highest ranking elves the literal boss of the smiths And i've been sent here specifically to make the most important materials ever I have none of that We're going to need your dagger How do you know what you have? You wouldn't have the rings of power You have none of that Unfucking believable but okay Whatever, you're not a simple person bro another dagger. Nope. All of history. You're gonna They were just worried she'd stab somebody thinking they were sour Well, they just would have been so easy to get that dagger away from her Had she actually gone to valeno they'd just be fucked. They'd be like oh damn. She took the only dagger No Except that of course like all the swords and daggers and armor Of all the elves who came over from valeno in the first place Would have been made of pretty much the same material So There's no reason for him not to have more of this just find a sword from some other guy Well, no because apparently they just chucked the whole thing in so it can be steal as well Yeah, I don't yeah. What was the rest of this stuff in there? That wasn't one daggers were that was like a whole molten thing they Well, they they chucked it in or sorry coaxed it in Um, so anyway, we're back over to the harvests All right At least this will be over quick. I want to drag out. I fucking hope so just bite So They like Gandalf's like I got to go to the rude in place to remember more stuff and she's like, oh Oh, is that is the easter your kind? He's like when that name was said I felt like it was right or some shit Um, and then he says in your tug. Oh, fuck. I hated this in your tug. It means wise one or dot dot dot Wizard It's so cringy They they're like proud of themselves. That's the I am iron man moment I am I am wizard. I am wizard man I am wizard It's also it's not it history is the elvish word for wizard and the harvests don't speak elvish Shut up What would you know Oh Fuck And that's the thing. It's like the episode insists to continue like couldn't you just stop and it's like Going and she's like oh sounds like a little bit of an adventure And then he's like well alone. It's a journey because adventures have to be shared Um, no no Just no So if you go anywhere on your own, it's a journey. If you go anywhere with a person, it's an adventure What what is that like? And as as we were watching the episode I couldn't help but remember The hobbit an unexpected journey Well, yeah, but that's just bilbo. There's no other characters That's true There's only bilbo otherwise it would have been called an unexpected adventure. Yeah adventure. Yeah Hero's journey is always done alone. There's never anybody else I can't believe they wrote Why would they write that? It's unbelievably consistent. Whoever wrote all these lines fucking save guy or save three people like What he sat down for one he was just in this one room just coming up with all these brilliant analyses You know, have you ever noticed like jetties are always one guy and adventures are always more people than someone else is like Yeah, yeah, and then he looked around and there was no one there Which was hallucinating people agreeing with him until he wrote it down What about what about all of those adventure games where the single Player like just goes through and goes on an adventure. It's like no, those should be called journey games No, whenever you're having fun, you're never alone Journey game is when you play as one person that an adventure game is when you have a party gone with you Do you love journey games? I love journey games. Journey games are so great. They're really they're lonely Sometimes you want to go on an adventure As opposed to a journey There's so many lines. It's just same shit all the time They say something they think it's profound and we're all sitting. You're like, what do you mean? That doesn't make sense It was do you guys remember how much trouble everyone had with that opening of episode one? The stupid boat shit with the stone and it's kept true for every single episode since there's been at least one in hyper cringe sentence that doesn't make any fucking sense at all Then and you can tell when they made it. They thought it was so clever I thought it was incredible and brilliant profound Oh, it's so funny She's like we're gonna be heading downhill and then and then chungus says you're holding the map upside down Cool, this by the way is very important that we see this not anything else. We need to wrap up this episode Is that hilarious? This is the comedy now This is the end of the season. We got to end things on a really high Fun note and you know the harphids are just they're just so fun They're just so fun. And so we got to have that mad thing. There you go They said nobody goes off trail. Nobody walks alone. Oh, it's better when sadox said it There it is. They recognize that he's dead now With no map thing to make it acknowledgement that he's dead or it's the acknowledgement that he said a thing better than someone else Yes He's no funeral. No burial. No Putting flowers on a grave. No grinding up to make sausage or whatever the fuck they do Just done He's he's gone. That was the map thing. He was the map reader and the pathfinder So they've already turned this death into a joke because someone was the woman incidentally who sent him off in the first place Has managed to make a joke about the fact that he's dead and now she has to read the map essentially That's what's just happened. So that's classic half it And she's always right but this time she was wrong It's like they're only in joke pretty good stuff really pretty good I don't think are we ever gonna see the half of people again beyond the um The main lot obviously Hopefully not I hope not but I could see I could see that happening again Yeah, I think I could actually that eventually they'll come back and and it will be like this big triumphant season two finale of nori reuniting with the half-foot There's like a big battle and suddenly just the half-foot's come over the hill as the reinforcements and save the day The battle of five armies Nobody walks alone or nobody Yeah, nobody one doesn't Yeah As you do I cannot believe how much time they're wasted on the half-foot storyline If you take all of all that was accomplished with the half-foot story all that we got was A half-foot a young half-foot lady finds a weird guy from a meteor and then they go off And that's that's it. That's that's all that happens with all of the half-foot stuff. That's it And you think about their little journey time, you know, have all those scenes like how much seen how much screen time did they get like a feature film? possibly Probably yeah The whole migration thing the sardoc the fat one the family stuff getting left behind It's all nobody goes off trail and then she goes off trail Then she regrets going off trail, but then she ultimately chooses to deliberately go off trail again That's right Vindicated for going off trail and that's that's it and she will inspire Gandalf's love for the hobbits Because nori is fucking awesome. She's a great great girl who's just out there for fun adventure and goodness Remember she convinced him. He's good Not female bilbo not female Frodo That was actually the one thing that did surprise me. I was convinced that uh female sam was going to go with female Frodo But that didn't happen. I was surprised. I thought they would keep her around because I thought that they would bank on her being comedic relief Yeah, I don't know maybe maybe she will come back Maybe she's the one who'll come back in season two like she'll run and Waddle rather and can't jump with them be like I couldn't leave you behind I couldn't oh You're so wonderful nori. I went off other half-foot You're going off trail. I'm going off trail. The wizards going off trail. We're all going off trail And they'll nick the line where she says if I take one more step, it'll be the farthest away from home. I've ever been Oh my god Stay away Start with sticky fingers all over things that don't belong to you She'll proclaim her love of potatoes much like myself, but Uh They're good. So I've been letting it play in the background and keeping an eye on it I have nothing to say about any of this. She's just saying goodbye to everyone. It takes 10 years Yes It's like they think that they've earned this we care. They think we care about their shit characters That we even care about this farewell. I couldn't care less No, you're you're all you're terrible people and I hate you If the only to the extent I feel an emotion it's relief for her that she's getting away from me. Yeah I did like that or whatever It's like she's just decided that no I should stay on trail I should stay with everyone and stop running off and a family just turned around to go Can you please piss off? We don't want you here anymore I would find that guy a little suspicious that she's like I'm going to go on a solo adventure with the crazy creepy hobo from space. Is that okay mom and dad? Yes go Okay Yes, this is a follow me follow your heart. Yeah follow your heart And you will yeah, definitely you should do that. It'll make you happy We wouldn't want to you know stop you from being happy The dad's like, oh, you know don't oh you're going already. Uh Oh, wow, can you leave? I mean you could leave as soon as you want We wouldn't want to keep you you might want to leave soon because the sun's going down You want to yeah? Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You don't want to go at night, you know on account of the being dark. It could be raining So, um, oh, yeah. Yeah rains bad rains. How you get the The sick the the bats Yes, the bats, you know, you know old old Bolger bigel toe he got Sucked dry by bats One year I mean Weird because there was clearly half-foot teeth marks all over him. It's like no, no bats bats. No, it really was bats. Yeah, it's Coincidentally That yes So then we get very strange the biggest payoff of the season the moment we were all waiting for me rags and free cheered What happened? So I clapped I clapped just before nori gets out of there Oh my god, we get a slow motion hug from Yes, youngest right here I like how they said goodbye and then they said goodbye Slow motion. I as someone in chat said I cried. I I did I couldn't hold it back. This was incredible They've been through everything together um Oh just wow, you know And they as as was just mentioned she did say goodbye earlier, but that wasn't quite the same this this is different This is slow motion which makes you feel more if you know what I mean It's a filmmaking technique. You probably don't know where you can like you can see something slower And it it'll make you feel things that are different than regular motion uh Because we saw them hug in regular motion, which isn't this not really as cinematically fluidly Accentrified in their Elecution if you if you understand what I'm saying, it's a little bit complicated Yeah in slow motion it doesn't well you have the opportunity to to remember and to relive all of the the many deep and meaningful conversations that took place between these two characters like Why do you keep going off the trail and why are you so unlike all the other harphids and why do you insist on going on adventures? and Along those lines just very very meaningful and and profound conversations that added so much to both their characters Do you remember when nori woke up and um and she was just eating stuff? And then she said go look at how much food you have that Pretty one of my favorites And that that will stay with me for at least a day. Mm-hmm. Maybe that's why she's so grateful She's like yes one less person being more food for me. Thank you. She's very thankful I like the idea that they go back to them in season two and it's just podge sitting there taking her teeth with the bones Apparently they were fattening me up to eat me, but I ate them Half of life is like a br. It's just the last person alive They all like split into big old groups until it just gets down to the last two Yes, they have a very emotional goodbye and It's so emotional. They're crying. They're both crying. She says you'll come back, right? You'll you promise she's like I will So I think it'll be incredible at the end of season five where she finally comes back and these two can share a bigger hug That's even in slow emotion With many tears she rides in on an eagle Oh, definitely. Yeah an eagle that with it has a sword in its mouth It'll be saurons. It'll be like I defeated him Definitely So um The scene is still going It is like a 10 minute scene it just keeps on going It was it was it was everyone remembers this being so long that it it caps out and beats the construction of the rings of power Their total construction time in the form of your real time. I just can't believe that's true Including saurons manipulation into the explosion like the fail attempts. It would still cap it out It's like how is this possible? This is called the rigs of power Ah But you know, they just they just knew that we were all highly highly invested in this Being still going by the way. I've just let it play I was curious how long this would last Well, wasn't there that line of dialogue that I just saw there when he says are you sure? And she says I've never been more certain than ever and the next line of dialogue is if I look back. I couldn't leave Yeah, right Maybe that's supposed to be quirky Well, they have some kind of mind control powers over their victims So I will say They highlight the fact A little bit of confusingness to exactly where they're supposed to go, you know, it's like what direction She's like, are you sure it's that way? He says, uh, well, there's a sweet smell on the air this way Like well that doesn't tell you anything does it and then he's like when in doubt Eleanor brandy foot Always follow your nose Uh, this pisses off a lot of people because this is that being like this is Gandalf. It's like no snob This is a crazy hobo Stop put it away sit down You're going crazy with power There's a sweet smell this way. You're standing next to an apple tree. Yeah, that probably has something to do with it and You Gandalf actual Gandalf says that in Moria Where they're not in an open random field, you know, there are quite makes sense in Moria Yeah, the um, there's three directions and he smells fresher air in one of them, right? Meaning it's closer to an exit He's like a shark and he can smell blood from like 300 miles away I don't know why smelling sweetness would mean that that's where he needs to go. Is the place you're going sweet Maybe just it's fresh air like the half of us are in one direction Fungus over here, I don't know what it is. It could be your friends They're going to Nern, which is next door to Mordor. It's not a sweet smell you're looking for Well, then they'll find out over there season fucking four. They're like, oh, we need to go to Mordor Like a massive erupting volcano on your eye line might have been a good clue But I think we're too far away apparently even though we're not so well, maybe the volcano smells sweet Well, it's cold so it could also smell sweet. Yes. Yeah So they melted dagger very sad it represents a vengeance packed with avenging your brother, right? So it's very very sad very sad Then what will she be without it? Yeah, nothing nothing. Uh, and so they pour the mithril in it that melts Pour that out and make the rings You know, it's it's sort of like this realization of like, yeah, we're seeing it and we're gonna see them all They're gonna wriggle all the fucking rings eventually and this This mithril was so fussy that it wanted only like gold and silver from valinor But as long as you include a bit of steel doesn't really care about that. It's fine. It's not even separating it out Just lob the whole thing in there. Yeah Seeing it in the coaxing it okay coaxing they are coaxing the whole thing in I don't like how he drops it into and it splashes like bro place it in You gotta coax it If anybody like put it on the table near it and then they hope that it crawls over because it's like do you want it? Just go grab it and as someone said yesterday when it's spinning kind of look at the eye of saran because they drop it bang in the middle That's great They like their eye imagery As do we all They've done it so often that it it loses all of its force that they did it with Gandalf when he lands in an asteroid So what are we to make of the eye imagery in universe now? No, apparently Yeah, it's like that doesn't make any sense anymore at least and and now yeah, it's just it's supposed to be thematically linked I suppose but if you've used it and overused it so often I in universe just everything just naturally form an eye if if it needs to look impressive is that how this works Um Yeah, so they create three That are very distinct in the sense of it comes across as like the gold silver and Feel like the went separate directions, but we'll have a mithril in them or something. Um I he chucked all the mithril into one pot. That's what I mean So now grant I I'm no blacksmith or metallurgist or anything like that But wouldn't they all be the same color when they came out that's what I thought But I don't know maybe put food coloring in the three splits. I legit don't know if there's something you could do I just don't know but I would assume If it's all poured from the same source, it would be the same color Yeah, um, also as the rings are being forged something very dramatic is happening and it's kind of hilarious. It feels like a music video Um, Elrond's like walking around and then he walks toward where you found Galadriel in the in the river Then he's like doing a big thing around the area and it's like, oh you're gonna fine He looks down and he sees that that thing that that describes that uh, the line of men was ended for All brands like the the kings of the southlands or whatever It's just in the water and it's big it's caught on some like reeds Implying basically that it would have been lost to everyone if only it hadn't hit those little little reeds and so Elrond could pick it up And now if you think it's uh so readable. Oh excellent. Yeah, it's not like the water would have destroyed it by now for sure It's totally fine. Yeah the ink and everything on the page. Yeah Yes, it's right there. How unfortunate um Yeah, and so he reads it Unlegit, I immediately was just like Okay This won't change much right? It'll just mean he knows that hull brand would have not been the king of the southlands But you could probably have been food already with the fact that galadriel has said he is banned from this place Like you it's doubtful She would have had that perspective if you still you lied about being king Which is weird. You seem to be quite the advocate for him earlier, but that's fine. That's fine But um, maybe he didn't tell me that either the way they film this It's as though he's racing against the creation of the rings Like he's trying to get to the top of the tower before the rings are complete or something I found it very strange. I wasn't sure exactly what they were going for But I think that's accurate. Yeah, well, they wouldn't have to have these confusing little montages If they didn't spend 36 minutes with nori saying goodbye to the fat hobbit And so yeah, kelebrin balls like woohoo. We did it. She's like woohoo. We did it and elrond's like And he's holding the scroll and I legit don't understand what they're trying to tell me like what does he now know What is so like he's like, I know that hull brand isn't actually The king of the south royal blood. It's not like he knows he's sauron though, right? He wouldn't have inferred that I don't think so. Please tell me he Surely he couldn't know Which means there's a possibility in this show, but I mean, he knows That galadriel has been acting weird. He knows that hell brand Basically gave them The ability to make the rings in the first place. Yeah, and so He probably knows they've been made for An alternative reason in some way and he'd be suspicious of galadriel because she hasn't told anyone But she must know But that's kind of my whole issue with this anyways when she's like just trust me bro. It's like no Hell is what's going on? What's hell brand doing? What's he up to? Be honest you annoying person And then it's like, well, I found the scrolls. You're gonna have to tell me now. Couldn't she still be like? Well, he's just not the king of the south ones. Yeah He's just a normal guy for about it He's just normal guy, but he wants to be king and he seems to be all right and the other I mean, they're clearly okay with it Surely you could get away with that You'd be like he lied to me that he was the king of the southlands. Um, he was just some normal guy I wanted some power. He was also a smith. I told him to get the fuck out Okay She's kind of kicked off against them because she didn't she say something like even if if he ever does appear Then we shouldn't even talk to him Yeah, she's yeah, she said don't treat with him at all Um, which you could still argue is what her perspective would be if he had lied to her about his lineage to try and gain power It wouldn't necessarily me like I can't see why Elrond would be like is he Sauron? Don't lie to me Just seem like a jump to me, but I don't I'll have to see that'll be for season two to show us. Um, but they're the rings everybody Yeah, there they are just uh Do you have any favorites? What's your favorite? I'll believe is the implication that if they had a decent amount of myth thrill that the rings would be better Because they'd be pure I assume so the more myth roll the better, right? So like if you were to you could turn that mythril vest into like a load of rings, right? Mm-hmm And like Frodo's uh Frodo's vest mythril vest and then Oh, yeah, it's far more powerful than all the rings. You need a ring You're wearing it all which is the equivalent of the rings, right? So conny does Frodo have little laser beams he can fire or something Probably he never He didn't try enough things to like level up to get that ability But that is that's the problem with with turning myth roll into this kind of magic device Which it isn't is that it just there are so many questions about all like, you know I'm in return of the king the tower guards at the tower of ectelion their helmets are made of mythril So can they like shoot lasers from their helmets for example? Yes, yeah, as long as they say the magic word they have to go Melon and then it just Speak friend and laser But yeah, the rings of power have been created for the elves now um That was a great journey, wasn't it? It literally happened in the space of like half an hour of episode It went from being like an impossibility to happening complete And even that's a really dodgy decision sarron wants you to make a thing With the mythril and when he first started it wasn't going to be multiple rings It was just the one but you know he wanted to make rings with mythril Yes So she thinks she's scuppered what she doesn't really know is his plan But suspects is a plan by having three instead of one wouldn't you think that I mean, what's her reasoning there? Has she no idea as far as she knows tripled his chances of success Given that the forging of any ring is going to be something he wanted to see happen Would it not have been more sensible for the elves just to say you know what? Well, maybe maybe the risk is too great And we should all just go back to valinor instead but that'll be the safer option She'd have to convince them that Yeah, she had to I still think it's retarded And she didn't just tell them sarons behind all of this If she that worried that they'll be like wow you suck you didn't spot him earlier What if What if if she had told them it was sarron Then they wouldn't have made the rings because they thought it was too risky And so they would have gone back to valinor But now she's so like revenge driven even more that she wants to stay So she's willing to have these rings created so they don't leave So she can get revenge which makes her worse than sarons. I'm supposed to say yeah Yeah, yeah, I think you want to damage your character. I mean they've been pretty thorough so far, so Yeah, I mean the show opened with a literally just wanting to leave someone behind in the snow It was five foot behind it. So she's not against sacrificing people to get revenge But she'll learn by the end of season five to be a better person or something And she'll go back to being normal probably in the last 10 minutes. Yeah So, uh, then we get this shot an eye of sarod Oh And look there's more door in it and lightning god this show is so cool More does the thing from from lord of the rings if you guys didn't know it's a big volcano Why why is there like it sounds like a dreadful place? Is it volcanoes make lightning? Yeah, they can do I think the right I mean that could have come from a the Understorm above it. I guess I don't even know what's going on in this place. It all seems very evil Here's lightning's evil You know how it goes I think the writers the writers um think they're being very clever here because like so sarron is kind of a satanic figure and um The modern conception of satan comes from milton's paradise lost and in paradise lost That there's a section on describing lucifer setting out from heaven Which closes uh into this wild abyss the way if he stood on the brink of hell and looked a while pondering his voyage For no narrow frith he had to cross and I I wonder if in this scene They haven't thought we're going to be really clever and be miltonian about this And we're going to have satan standing on the brink of hell pondering his voyage as sarron looks out over mordor Really cool You know, this is a shot that they should each Don't school in film land Someone just said how did he get there? He flew obviously with wings Someone said how dare you stand where they stood? I love that baby Oh Mordor was created by a sweaty hobo. It's unreal It's legitimately incredible. I would have never guessed You know the next we'll be doing this Moller. Yeah fringy We will be talking about this show for 10 Years In 2032 it'll be like and finally it's over 2032 in 2032 We'll never we will never escape this hell world. Not the life. It was pretty good to be done with season one though I know. I know. It really does. It's dead And we're not looking to fucking worthless piece of shit show And we'll be talking about rings of power for e-fap 1000 Fuck yeah, that's sure. It sucks bad Really bad terra bad the worst of beds bad.com. It's so bad Yeah, I think it'd be happy to say it's terrible at this point like I think it is terrible because it it lacks Any redeeming qualities apart from like the occasional visual I guess But like what does that mean? They don't mean anything Well, I can't even remember the soundtrack Um, there are a couple that I remember but uh for eight hours, you know, like it's uh It's not a great ratio So really anything that would be worth praising is aesthetic because from a script Like I don't know what I would praise in the script at all dialogue is pretty consistently poor The characters are non-existent or they are contradictory and even first thin as they are they're contradictory I don't know what themes any of this is meant to be in service of and the world building is piss I would even say the performance is a pretty lackluster except for a couple of Like I think hand full of highlights and those highlights are only highlights in the context of the show Yeah, I was never Yeah, I was never really impressed with anything. Um, there might be a few things but I just they don't come to mind right now Dwarves is the only Yeah, the actor for durin even his dad The performances are quite good the characterization by the standards of this show is is all right There's at least some kind of character relationship at play there Still he's super contradictory, but he has a set of traits that are endearing Dear, I say it's the closest thing that they get to making something In terms of writing out Um, the half it's fucking abysmal, man What was that? And then yeah, the elfman plotline with Bronwyn it's so funny It's just god in those last two episodes like where did they go? It's like they went to happy lad. Just shut up. You're like, okay Bye, then we'll see him again Yeah, I think so they ran out of story again Like they legit didn't know what to do with him in the last two episodes They were just like, I don't know. We'll see him next season. We'll figure something out Because obviously his episode was episode eight, right? No six, which was the war one. Was it seven? That was six Do you not count the uh, the one where he's in the dig in the trench The prisoner one Oh, I meant like Didn't we spend like almost all the episode with the fight episode, you know, like he was in loads of it See that's how they balanced it out. They tried to make it green time Maybe maybe The conventional thing to do though with like a final episode is that you want to try and round off or at least cliffhanger Pretty much all of your major plot threads, right? So you you don't just ditch Half of them in your last episode and assume people are gonna remember them in two and a half years time when we go back They said he went to happy place Oh, well, that's fine. Then yeah But if Bronwyn sort of Theo they're all in happy place Done Not glad you're all though. She jumped off the boat No, she's She's an unhappy place. She's always an unhappy place So who's your favorite character everybody? Duren uh Duren probably Probably durin. Yeah, I get diesis up there. I kind of like her I would have said diesis up until they turned her into a potential Yeah, that was weird Psychopathic greedy Yeah, if she incites a war within the dwarven empire like holy shit Yeah, I didn't know you're capable of that. Jesus christ civil war. Jesus. Jesus. You out for blood A lot of people are mentioning Homer's a favorite. Yeah, that's fair. Homer was good Well, that that goes without saying he's he's just almost disqualified because of he's of course the winner We don't want to include people that are just gonna Trounce the list I liked um the horse the horse showed some loyalty. I did like the horse Yeah, the only good person in the show. I like both the lower horse and the fire horse Fire horse I like the crane horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's it the crane horse? Legit, though. What would your answer be for worst character? Oh, fuck Damn Elrond I probably Galadriel's up there for me And what it's almost cheating to include Galadriel just because she's in it all the time and she's so just unqualified He's so awful A lot of people choosing Galadriel in chat Yeah, I think if Galadriel's in it she'd she'd annihilate everyone If we discount Galadriel chat, who is the worst and you can't pick our foots. You have to pick a character No, that was gonna be my next one. I was gonna be chose the one that was always right. Oh, yeah, I guess you could go for her I said he's sealed on nori Old lady harford the queen. She's pretty bad So nori's one of my favorites But that's just because she's like not evil Yeah, I think I agree. I think like she actually Amits this like gaggle of characters. She's probably pretty high up nori. Do you say? Yeah, because she's like nice. She's kind of an idiot sometimes, but here. Do you see is no one here as bad as a lot of characters That's exactly. Yeah, yeah I think she could be entertaining if she was I can believe the actress is capable too. She seems to be able to make some expressions Duck in a terrible script Oh worst character, uh the one at the palantir at the end because all she did the entire show is walk around and stare at things Oh, that puts her up at the top though Okay, yeah, you could take that angle with it as well. Yeah, infuriate us The less you say the better you are kello brimble is pretty bad. I think he's like often the complete opposite of his standing, you know I think yeah Or his damage to him That applies to girl gal at it as well though. I mean so much of what's happened is because girl gal at it is just an absolute idiot Um, and I think elrond is a fair mention in terms of just a lying piece of shit throughout the whole show Yeah I think for sheer like contrived Pointlessness I would be tempted to nominate a seal door sister just because she is just there as Wallpaper except because there's no other way they can depict what's happening in the scene She's in like with the dying king and the planter. I just don't even remember what she did enough in this season Like yeah, she literally stared at things. Yeah, and then she suggested that they don't go to wall and that's it She was she was so fucking right She's gonna be like wow guys. I told you Oh They could actually make it interesting when they come back You know the power struggle and all kinds of criticism for having made the crazy decision to go out there and all the men They've lost, you know, like if an actual showrunner took over they could still make a show out of this garbage They could try but They won't character. I'm character. I'm most envious of has got to be Uh, demented vegetable king Just because he sleeps the most of it and he can't remember the rest of it And then he don't he's escaped He's out. Yeah Well, yeah, all right. Well, that's those rings of power He's in one It is complete. Wow. He did it Um Pretty incredible I was gonna say so we got got some plans. We have to figure some things and move some things around I'm not gonna be able to be on the stream for much longer I've got to do another render and upload of on destination three I'm running out of days to be able to get that sorted so What we've got As a potential is myself rags and metal would like to talk about scorn So that's gonna get possibly recorded on wednesday I think I think that'll be the idea will release it Maybe a day or two later And then we will be doing the she-hulk stuff on the saturday, which is a day or two after that Which is essentially the same thing again And it'll be an hour and a half right in total not two hours As in the footage we're covering material We'll be doing episodes seven eight and nine And yeah, well, we're hoping to have ricky to law Jay long bone and that's on we're gonna Let's talk some she-hulk. I think you guys have wanted us to for a while now Um The super chat catch-ups are still releasing. I'm trying to get one per week out and we're still recording more Um, but we are like well ahead of schedule for e-fabs and we're about to record a bonus one now for scorn as well so We're gonna try and possibly Interchange a little bit and have maybe some longer gaming ones or You know this that and the other we're gonna have to figure out some plans to balance it out As you guys have probably been able to tell this past month and another month to go probably E-fab has been uh, it's been pumping. All right The stuff has been coming out. I see you guys have been enjoying The final destination and Karen e-fat movie. I'm glad you are They've been they were rather fun. Very glad how they turned out. You've got three four five still to come As well as i'm gonna try and stream soma more than likely on halloween night and i'm gonna stream with metal the uh The quarry question mark horror game from the people who made little hope because we apparently hate ourselves Um, and I want to do god of war four before god of war five comes out They are all my plans alongside just getting on with regular work um You uh, well it was the I think I think that about covers all the things that you should be expecting as they progress I was gonna say, uh Rags and fringes any you want wanted to add to that We will then talk a little bit about the guests here and then probably about uh, make sure people realize about the plushie, right? To grab a rune it and then we'll probably uh, we'll probably end this so Yes, was there anything The fringy rags you wanted to mention about videos or upcoming things that are happening well, um, I suppose yeah, just the plushie Is the big one I suppose the big thing I've got some stuff in the works that i'm kind of waiting on to finish Which should be done in a couple days. So I should have videos up Uh again to put uh to put to work some new stuff I have What other matt no specifics on things just um Would really appreciate it if you gave the plushie a look maybe it's something you will really enjoy Oh, well, yeah, we'll be talking about it for as long as it's available. We'll let you guys know Lots of people sometimes have to you know grab an opportunity for a bit of money to be able to um Grab it up. So you do have a bit of time before you run out, but of course this will be Your only chance for this instance of the rags That's right. If you don't get it now, uh, it will be uh, it will be gone forever Uh, was there anything you wanted to talk about for me you released a new video relatively recently Yes, I released a new video this week about difficulty settings in video games because Hey, you know what very very very late the party on that subject, but hey um Yeah, if you haven't seen it, uh, and it sounds interesting to you head on over to my youtube channel Uh as for anything else and yeah, like it's back to work on on the uh, the the next one will be the next big critique, which uh Yeah A lot of work to do Yeah Yeah I want to thank the fuck out of gary disperu and little platoon for joining us tonight. You guys uh I think This has been quite an adventure you were this for most of the rings of power episodes at this point It was only like the first two. I think that we covered with metal rather than uh And you guys i'm trying to remember how that all went but You know, um, we'll likely have you guys on for coverage of some stuff here and there in the future, but I would happily lock you in for the rest of rings of power as When when that comes out whatever fucking century it does I'm exactly looking forward to it If i'm still alive for it, i'll be in excellent Um, well luckily it's two years away While you're here, why don't you let people Know what it is you get up to why they should subscribe and They get there Either one of you can go first. I leave it up to you often with Okay, uh, yeah disperu on youtube and twitch a bit of an end for an era end of an era for me at this point As i've covered rings of power for so long Uh, you don't know what life is like without it. Yeah Do well exactly. Yeah I think i started the whole rings of power stuff at 2.8 k subs So it's been a hell of a journey and she hulk and rings of power basically in my Channel for the last couple of months. So it's going to be interesting to Have you got where we go from here? Uh, is there another shitty show that's coming out? You're going to cover Oh, well the the next sort of the bigger thing that i want to cover is going to be the finale of the dr Who? Oh, yeah Yeah, she she finally leaves and uh, unfortunately We get a lot worse after that so that's going to be an interesting Situation to keep an eye on as more details come out for that as well. But yeah first We've got a 90 minute finale with her Finally Taking her last breath of the show. So that's going to be I'm sure it's going to live up to the same quality standards that we've expected from her so far Uh, but yeah On twitch and youtube apart from that. I don't know. I go to more culture stuff at the moment It is going to be sort of the fallout from she hulk and rings of power as for some reason Neither of the showrunners seem to be able to keep them out. Yeah Which is what would be the same thing to do in this scenario So there's still a still a bit more fun to be had with these shows before Moving on to more sort of culture and new stuff like i'm gonna do in between the reviews I'm gonna cover um under forever Oh, yeah, yeah anything big that comes out i'll cover Well, it's it's tv series that i like doing the most because the weekly reviews are something i really enjoy once they're finished It's a it's something that it's an incredible Pain to sit there for 12 hours or whatever it is to go through them each day But once they're finished, it's easily my favorite videos that i do Yeah, man. You've had uh, what what look how you're up to now Uh 95.8. Oh, shit. You're gonna do something special for a hundred. Hooray Uh, yes, uh, hopefully well, hey, you've do some kind of stream for that You've come over uh over here a bunch helped us out all kinds with the Keeping company and breaking this down. So if ever you want, uh, well, I presume any three of us, but especially Want me over for Come on keep your company, especially for a celebration stream. You should totally do it Grab up some folks talk about how fun it is to be a full-time youtuber. I assume you're a full-time youtuber at this point Uh, yes start of rings of power is when I officially sort of went over the Good for you, man. Um, I heard the same things happen for you as well. A little platoon Gone full-time, right? Not yet Almost imminently it's kind of been a little bit crazy because like my channel isn't a year old until The end of this month. I think it is And so we're sitting there. I think we have a hundred subscribers in January And now I'm sort of yeah in this position where I can Actually do this full-time or at least for a little bit So I handed in my notice a couple of weeks ago, and I'm officially leaving the day job on november the 18th Um at which point I will be yeah a full-time internet person which is slightly terrifying, but um But kind of enjoyable because I'm gonna be I'm I'm not done with rings of power yet. I've still got episodes Three through to the finale to review properly Yeah You'll be making them when the second series comes out. Yeah, I might I'm probably still gonna actually it will be nice I actually the reason I decided to junk the day job was part of what it was It's been financially sustainable sort of since they hit like 60 70 000 Subs, but it was just a case of looking at all of this massive work I think I'm never ever going to get this finished Unless I take the risk and go full-time. So from the november 18th I'm full-time will hopefully have all the rings of power done by the end of the year and one more she-hulk video And black panther to bachandan boogaloo or whatever that's called Um, and then whatever else is coming up I might try and do a couple of like super cuts in december I think and then take a couple of weeks after just because I've been working Two full-time jobs and working like 9 30 a.m. Till 4 a.m. For the last year. So I'm basically dead Um, and then in the new year the plan is to sort of expand I've got a friend who wants to sort of join up and we're going to do like two personal channels I've got one already which is sort of links are in my community page And we might try and expand into a politics one as well because we started doing that way back when And then otherwise just carrying on with with the current stuff. So all of the uh Delightful delightful cultural media film entertainment brilliance that we are we are pleased to enjoy every month Um, and we'll see how it goes and I might end up back in part time I don't know but at the moment it's been a scary weird surreal level of growth that's sustainable So fingers crossed it it carries on but um, I know I did the the sort of the the fawning Stuff, uh, I think the first time I was on here But I just want to say again Thank you for for having me on because I've been watching you guys for ages And it's just really weird to actually have been here for this this joyous rings of power experience But uh without you guys I wouldn't be in this position. So um, yeah You take some sort of like moral credit for Imminently becoming an online person. Oh We appreciate knowing that seriously. It's great to know we could inspire because like you guys both Fantastic content creators. I am very happy and uh, if you both to be able to take it full time you've earned the fuck out of it So obviously good luck to your future and obviously for the little platoon there. Absolutely Very very good to for us to know that we could have been helpful in any way to the startup of a channel that's um As enjoyable as yours and we will be excited to see what else you do next Of course, like I said, we'll happily bring you back on subjects that seem suitable And um, yeah guaranteed slot for rings of power in the future because I imagine we will keep covering it We'll we'll we get a two-year cool down or whatever. Okay, so we can Let those brain cells grow back Yeah Yeah, it's like your brain naturally Your brain naturally kind of suppresses pain So by the time it comes around we'll be like, oh, it wasn't that bad. I'm sure it'd be better. Yeah, see the tool be better. Yeah Yeah, I said before we hit the record button. I thought that the rings of power was making me sick I am now riddled with flu haven't just gone back through all of that So I am it's confirmed rings of power is sickly, but I will be enjoying coming back for it Well, um, I'm trying to think of if it was anything else There's the the plushie those channels links are all in the description All of what I said is the stuff that's on the way But now we're gonna have to jump out unless there's anything else anybody wanted to say I'm good Pretty quiet. All right then. Thank you all so much For the kind donations the company the back and forth I saw the wangers took over for a decent chunk there, but they they were eventually defeated by rings of power fringe Not even the wangers could hold it back Um, but yeah, hope you all have a very good night and we shall see you for the next hooky ween efap whatever it may Probably scorn but all right little bit everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye See you later everyone toodaloo