 Howdy folks Anthony dream Johnson here founder 21 studios with another episode of the gender wars today in studio at 21 studios in Orlando, Florida I have the one and only Elliott Hulse CEO of strength camp in here from Tampa or St. Pete Who's coming out man? My pleasure. Love to be here. Yeah, I love what you're doing. Thanks, man Yeah, what are you doing to and love having you involved? Yep, you know I met you earlier this year But maybe a month and a half ago an hour or something like that and I didn't know what to make you Or what to expect going in and I've been really impressed man From just hanging out shark fishing shooting guns Filming, you know podcasts and stuff. I've been really impressed man after following your work for many years on YouTube with strength camp and all that Yeah, so it's nice to have you. It's more than nice to have you involved. It's fucking badass Yeah, perfect timing also too. Yeah, and you know, it depends depending on when you would have met me Your opinion may have been different because there are lots of different right, of course I guess we're all evolving, you know, yeah And so it's a perfect timing for us to get together in this particular way because the work that you're doing has Just this year really has started becoming really important to me. Yeah, you know, I've gone Being a pro strong man strength coach All the things that I've done led me to a place in life where I needed to back off a little bit Yeah, and have some regrouping time and then as that Moment for re-emerging came about I started to notice a trend in a lot of the young men that were following me The questions that they were yet they were sending had a lot to do with Big towel and red pill and no fap and these were things that I had never even really heard of prior to make time Yeah, I mean all I spoke about until that point was you know lifting being strong being healthy I answered questions that were related to relationships and stuff like that Just based on my experience, but I haven't I haven't dated since I was 14 years old Yeah, so it's all kind of new you married you guys, you know to get to gather some input So I can support my fans and you married your high school sweetheart, right? Yes, I did. Yeah, mm-hmm That's a help story man That's that's something that seemed to think common a while ago And you don't hear that very often hunter though a hundred drew a friend of ours as someone's done that too Mm-hmm. Yeah Well, yeah, it's good Avenue studio man I wanted to talk today about patriarchy and upcoming event We have which as you know is the first ever event. We've done focused on fatherhood and patriarchy and marriage and family and I think as we've talked about too privately I started this company 12 years ago and it was a company focused on young men. It was literally called the under 21 convention So seeing it come of age now bringing in speakers like you or older and you have this huge YouTube channel And then we're talking about fatherhood and family and all these like very mature topics. It's a big It's a big change since the founding but for me like we talked about too It's like it's an evolution. It's very natural and I'm excited about fathers Like you speak patriarchs because like I you said to on our shark fishing trip We went on a few weeks ago. He said something important that anybody can be a parent or a father You just go out get laid you have sex you get the tickets knocked up pop out of baby But it doesn't make you a strong father. It doesn't make you a patriarch It doesn't make you a leader those are things you have to do and I think you've done a good job in your channel Strength camp teaching men how to be strong in very specific physical ways and mental ways, too I'm gonna be very tied in so let me ask you this question What do you think the relation is between fatherhood and physical strength like how does that play like? Why is it important if it's important and How does that affect your family? How does it affect your children over time? one of my favorite quotes from Ralph Ralph Waldo Emerson is What you are speak so loud that the world can't hear a word you're saying Damn. Yeah, so, you know, we could spend all of our time. We live in a day and age where Talking is the is the currency everybody speaks everybody has an idea Really what everybody's doing is regurgitating because the information is so plentiful that they just take it in and spit it back out What really moves someone's soul, you know, and I'm talking about you know father and his family because that's really what we are is Who you're being and if you're being weak Also, I like to say your body is your mind if you look weak your your You're reflecting a weakness of character If you're unhealthy, you're weak. So bodily Bodily vigor bodily fitness bodily strength Is a reflection of the soul And you say I'm imagining you would say it's an expression of who you are, right? Yeah, your essence. Yeah, absolutely I recently started reading a lot of Christian orthodox books. Okay, I've been into all kinds of different religion and stuff Yeah, I just I love this stuff And I Christianity I put put aside for a little while and then recently is just kind of popped back up in my heart, but Particularly Eastern orthodox because of what I've discovered the way they embody Christianity rather than just talking about it Yeah, and and one of the the fathers one of the patriarchs they like they call their leaders patriarchs. I love it That's awesome. They write these old. There's you know an old text where they would give their wisdom and and a Lot of their work revolves around the fact that we cannot separate the physical manifestation and experience of a human being from the spiritual a lot of the a lot of the Catholic and then Protestant religions, you know or branches Christianity Separate the two and almost denigrate the body Yeah, right and forget that the body is the body is divine as well Let's let's change topic to this a little bit. So Why isn't fatherhood value today the same way it was 50 years ago 100 years ago We're talking about an old religion here. It's an orthodox, you know Christianity But let's focus on America. Like why has that changed a big part of it is What we would call women's suffrage or progress for women which has brought women into the workforce which takes them out of the home, but then also reduces the necessity to have a provider to have a have a man and So The whole idea that I don't need no man didn't exist before that. It's like no you needed a man So, you know, I guess you could call like the economic liberation of women, which I'm not against I'm not a bet. These aren't you know bad things But when you ask a question, why aren't fathers as important? Well, you've got that and then you also have a government That uh, it's plain daddy. Yeah, like will Give prizes To women who don't have the father in the home, you know, so like the welfare state is dependent on Having a woman with only her children dependent on the state if the man is there They don't get though that those free stuff and those prizes. So those are just, you know Some of the most obvious reasons why something comes to mind too based on what you said I agree with you that you know It's not a bad thing for women to have the option and then sometimes make that option to Make a choice and have a career build a career or even something similar to that start a business or whatever But I think what you're getting at because people will see that and I think they'll try to attack you for that But what I see is like choices have consequences and that is what I think was lost in the sauce over the past 50 60 70 80 years in this country with women You know going out in the workforce leaving the home and not thinking about for example like getting taxed on that money Or is it money to stay home and of course not get taxed on being a housewife being a mother Doing all those chores around the house that otherwise you have to spend money on and they go out of coursing At tax and then contributes to the tax base tax base and all that those sorts of conspiracy theories for that shit, too But right the basic facts are yet things are things are changing and You know Hunter Drew is actually gonna be able to talk I think at some point at our conference that choices have consequences, right? That's gonna be the toy the whole title of it. Yeah, it's not necessarily a bad thing or I'm not judging it but like you say there are consequences and if you look at the Those who benefit most from those consequences, it's a lot of the Corporations in government, you know our rulers. They're the ones who benefit by more taxes more customers and more children that are Not guided by their family and family values, but more now by the state and the media So it's really it's a it's a control issue. It's it's Irresistible power from the home Turning more human beings into batteries for the state and hypnotizing the family to Be better consumers and followers. Yeah, the government's also a useful tool that for feminists and you know that kind of That kind of those ideas to break up the family, right? No fault divorce laws and women getting you know getting 98% of alimony and all these crazy things I've seen you know, even now you look at billionaires getting hosed Yeah, Jeff Bezos and all these other guys Brad Pitt got divorced raped. I mean all this stuff It's crazy and that's all enabled by government, you know Let's speaking of government so You recently, you know came out as a pro Trump supporter It's as far as I've been able to tell in social media that's caused like a lot of ruckus obviously and that's been that's been Actually really interesting follow What do you think Trump's effect on fatherhood is in this country currently over the past couple years and now and how do you see that? How do you see his influence in the country affecting fatherhood going forward and the issues surrounding it? You know family and stuff like that. Well, it's interesting. I grew up with a great father You know he was there, but he was a strict father and I resented a good father. Yeah, right. Well growing up in you know The secularized liberal America as it was becoming, you know in the 80s through the 60s and you know into the 80s I grew up in the 80s and 90s The children are now still, you know, I struggle with my children encouraged to resist, you know, the Strict parents or boundaries in general is particularly from the home. Yeah, you know, so I received a lot of my instruction from Media and school, you know, which you know is very feminized. It doesn't want the father to be strong My dad grew up in the jungle. He grew up in Belize. Yeah, it's his he's just based on instinct I don't think my dad learned how to be an alpha. He just had no choice because he was from the jungle. Yeah, so I Resisted him. He was really tough. I'm grateful now as an adult I started to recognize his value as a strict conservative father You know when I became maybe around 27 27 28 when I started reaching my 30s And then I started counter a reason for that or just kind of happen that way. Well by then I had three daughters You know, so my life was well underway, so I got to understand why he was that way got it with that I began to count the ways that his is being conservative and being strict were valuable and and When I see Donald Trump behaving the way he is saying the things he is he says doing the things he does I'm like, that's my dad and those are all those are the great things that I hated about my dad But it took a certain amount of maturity for me to accept So, you know now that I see everybody resisting Donald the Donald hashtag resists Right they just resist him they hate him they fight him. I realized how much our culture has turned into whiny teenage brats Yeah, instead of Grown conservative strong men and so it's interesting for me to watch, you know, particularly men like, you know I but a lot of my followers are strong men, you know, like they lift for a living like that's what they do But to see them be whiny liberal brats in the face of a In the face of a strong man. Yeah, ah is those daunting. Yeah, it's interesting to edit There's there's a lot of ways you can analyze politics in this country the past couple years and right now and Trump But I think emotional maturity and people responding to it negatively because they're lacking that maturity That's that's pretty interesting. Mm-hmm. That's something you see talked about much people just want to blame, you know That orange man bad, you know hashtag resists because whatever fucking reason Mm-hmm. So yeah, that's a good way to put it and I see I do see the parallels you're saying, yeah, right father They're very emotional about it, too And I remember that you know when I being a kid like it was an emotional Anger towards to lashing out, right? They're not logical about it, which all which is a Red flag that there's something wrong. They say just they they call names. They judge I mean, I'm thinking now what's popping up ahead is on the inauguration day that yellow vest I think it was a girl. I don't actually know it was a girl or guy. She was like screaming. She was oh Right and like it it's recorded in history now like that was that was that like made the day But it's I think it that's just a small expression of what you're saying or what you're focused Which is a lot of people are doing that men and women both too. Yeah, we'll call them males. I guess Gotta be careful. Yeah, be careful. I don't call them men. Yeah, let's bump off a little about that a little bit How is your philosophy changed in the past say year year and a half since you found you got a little bit more interested in McTown stuff the red pill the man is fear I'm not involved in McTown much myself or anything, but obviously it's part of the man is fear So since finding Rollo's work since finding 21 conventions and finding the red man group. How's it influenced you? Positively negatively, you know new ideas in a myriad of different ways first of all Big shout out to Rollo like I had I was reflecting on his books and their impact on my You know the my new ways of thinking you would say since last April or May and You know, although my life is great. My life is amazing. I wouldn't change a single thing about it. I I Made a lot of the decisions that I made to get to where I am in a very unconscious way I didn't know what I was doing. I was just following my instinct following my gut following the pattern You know if I look at my life and I look at my father's life That's you know part of the reason why it's good to have a strong father as a pattern I didn't have to make too many decisions. I was being what my father Was so an example is said an example was so my life turned out well You know just like his but being able to look back with red pill lens lenses particularly as it related to the way I thought of and dealt with women and The way I thought of and dealt with my wife and how we ended up Being together since we were 14 years old and marrying her if I read Rolla's book when I was 17 I probably wouldn't still be with my wife That doesn't mean that you know, like I said, I love her. Yeah, but I didn't I didn't know what I was doing one of the things that You're really struck me this year was my ability to look at my life objectively and See how sex at a young age Put me on this path Not to say that it's a it's a wrong path, but I could see how it could lead so many young men Yeah, on the wrong path, you know powerful motivator, right? I was blinded because I was having sex That's I think that's one of the biggest paradigm shifts for me an opinion changes A lot of people are confused about where I say, you know, I tell my children having sex before marriage Is not a great idea even though Rollo talks about, you know split plate spinning and stuff And I'm like, I'm okay. I'm cool with that. I understand it But just from my experience and my wisdom and what I can see I have to assert that promiscuity is not a good idea particularly if you're unaware of the the nature of This intersexual dynamics between men and women we think we're in set when in love a lot of times and I see these guys, you know head over heels they're balling they're tore up and Because it's emotional Tells me right away. Like if you're you're attached to a woman emotionally, you don't really love her. You're attached to her sex Sex is physical emotion is physical to really love a woman is logical I've learned that I love my wife more now because I've been able to separate sex Slash emotion from the relationship and all the chemical responses you're getting right and the jealousy and the anger I remember being like jealous and angry is very emotional. You know when I was a teenager with her Yeah, and throughout and I carried that into adulthood But in a suppressed and unconscious way, I didn't know and it wasn't until I separated sex and emotion, which is all very physical they're together From Consciously loving my wife. I think for a man to To love a woman. He has to know that he doesn't need her sex Otherwise, it's an addiction. Yeah, it's an emotional physical addiction So that has been wonderful that has it's been great to be able to separate those two and to know that I love my wife Logically beyond is the feeling beyond needing her for the sex because if that's the case They'll always have you by the balls. Yeah And breathe from your balls. Oh, yeah, breathe down into them and grab them, baby. You gotta own them So shift gears all again here a little bit If and you're so let's it's be kind of a yo-yo kind of question If a father of a family is in trouble, who should he turn to him? The father you mean like God. Yep, okay So our ancestors understood that men always needed a pattern Men are like a clean slate and if we're not Given a path or given a pattern, which is where the word paternity comes from in patriarch Then we can be easily inscripted upon and So it's either going to be we take on the nature of our mother or we take on the nature of the the popular culture at large both of which would either be Emotional or or the popular culture leads you astray. Yeah, and so a father is For someone with a good father, which is my prayer and hope for every young man moving forward in this new Patriarchy, yeah You you turn to your father. What would what would my father do? But our fathers even if they were there are flawed as as much as I'm you know I love my dad and my dad did a great job, and I wouldn't trade him for the world He's kind of he's he's messed up in a lot of ways Yeah, but he has no choice. He's in a fallen state. We're physical It is through the example of the father. My father looks to the father. My father makes no plans My father is and my father's faith is not a religious faith. My father's faith is a is a very Primal faith. Like I say he grew up in the jungle. So he doesn't philosophize about God He trusted God. That's how he like he laughs sometimes like I don't know how the hell I got here Yeah, I don't know what I did but The he calls him the Almighty said the Almighty just fuck carried my steps. He was just a light onto my feet Well, you know what comes to mind too and you say that is that you know Even if you had a great father first of all if you had a father, you know, not everyone does But then even if you have a father and he was a great father Literally, nobody's father is perfect. Everybody's father's name sticks. I've never met a human being in my life I was a man's stick, right? So the example will never be perfect for anybody right and a lot of men have bad examples But some of you know decent ones or good ones or great ones Just gonna comes to mind that no matter what example you got it's gonna be flawed I work with a lot of young men that have awesome fathers like in every single way and they still Resent their dads and it's very unconscious and you know, there are many different reasons why that may be the case but I think that's okay because He's gonna die. He's he's he's human like you said so when I answered you the father it is literally the God the eternal pattern the father that is flawless and so we can turn our face and turn our hearts to that which we know is Always loving us always guiding our steps always forever forgiving and always if we can empty ourselves of our ego Which a lot of our you know too much thinking or philosophizing or Resisting is pure ego if we can empty ourselves over that of that and I think you know we spoke earlier about the body being the mind I also say too if you are struggling like you your question asked you got a fast You've got to get you can't come to God with a full belly. This is one of the East Christian orthodox things You got to empty your belly. You got to empty your soul You've got to purge yourself and you got to open yourself humbly to be led by the father and you will be guided We're not alone So if you are struggling right now, it's only because you're you're not turning to the father You're all clogged up and you're trying to do it on your own with your ego You've got to purge all that and then just turn so like what my father says the Almighty and let him guide you Would you say too that you have to get one of old speakers used to say you need to get out of your head and into your body Is that similar to what you're saying? Yes, but and I've I've spoken about that a lot and I've I've said a lot of wrong things I've changed my mind on a lot of things and getting into the body can also be very Emotional and we can confuse the sensation of emotion with actually being led when when we're being led it should feel relaxed if we're too Excited about something. Oh, this is it. This is it. This is it that kind of feeling It's too emotional. You got to calm down. You got to stop or if it's anger Whatever it is if it's colored by an emotion You're in your body, but you're in the in the dark part of the body when your body is relaxed It's it's logical, but you feel you feel a buzzing, you know, because there's also a there's a spectrum, too You can be overly emotional or you can be schizoid. You can be completely detached So are these men and a lot of people this is where they they struggle. They're either The over feminization of masculinity or men ends up looking like feminine Emotionality, okay, they're like oceans and The over masculinization the other end of the spectrum. It's way too far. Also, too is Complete Dissociation I don't feel my body. I haven't felt my body a long time. I don't know what it's like to cry I don't know what it's like to laugh I don't know what it's like to have any emotions at all like robotic, right robotic and that's a scary place, too Because you know, I said that met or a clean slate Well, you don't want to be so clean that you're only being led by your head because because then you You're filled up with facts and these are guys that live in their head. Yeah, they have no intuition whatsoever So it's sort of in an in between place. Yeah, you have a lot of interesting ideas. It's It's fun to see, you know, we're talk trying to talk We're talking about fatherhood and then like all these other tangential Topics get introduced to it. It's it reminds me of how diverse your background is like people see you as a strong man like strength camp But there's like a whole branch of the other things going on here. Yeah, man It's good. I'm interested in how this whole things works. You know, I'm yeah, I'm interested in myself Yeah, and in exploring myself. It's just led me down all these different roads Yeah, that's been the story of the convention two over the years and my own history, too Is like going through all these speakers all these topics all these authors It's like one thing branches off the next and to me It's a good sign of an active mind, right? Like people say, you know, you need to be open-minded and not close-minded I disagree I think you need to be active-minded in search of the truth and search of knowledge and typically that leads people down Like you've gone. I think comprehensive and diverse paths. So it's really it's really it's fascinating seeing it It's like you're going from Jesus to Eastern Orthodoxy to father the patriarchy to the jungle to like, you know To be in your body and spirituality. It's it's awesome shipment. Yeah life is like a cornucopia man Yeah, they used to honor the Renaissance man Yeah, and I think a part of what's what's brought us to where we are right now in the patriarchy And you know, it's very masculine to to break things up chop things up It's create boundaries and borders compartmentalize compartmentalize We've overdone that in so many different areas including our our self cultivation our education And so you've got people that are specialists, but they're so smart about one thing that they're dumb about everything else Yeah, and you know, I used to feel bad, you know, they would say that you're a dilettante You know just dabbling with all I'm not an expert in anything Yeah, you know And I used to feel bad like maybe like what if I were to be an expert? I wish I were an expert and I could be known for one thing. I realized that well, that's not the gift the gift is to be broad spectrum than to be able to take ideas from a myriad of different areas and Then turn it into something and agree because there's so much information available today I think that that the artist in the genius of the future is the one that can take lots of different Diverging ideas and then create a brand new like take all the broad palette and create a brand new painting with it Yeah, hell, yeah, that's what I do with my convention man That's like been the whole for years people call it like a painting that I built or like a framework And that I painted with speakers Elliott and Rolo whoever. Yep. Yeah, what's interesting, too What you said with that to me is Like what you're saying I see that is fundamentally different from being a dabbler which I've heard of that too over the years of improvement Especially in the pickup community and the man is fear dudes They dabble false like different bullshit, right and then they get burned out or bored or whatever they do but it's like diversity of Interests but with competence and seriousness and genuineness not just like this light kind of dabbling like oh I'm gonna like improve my fitness like five percent, you know, and also the little bullshit I learned how to get phone numbers from girls So it's I grew through saying that's that's how strikes me Emerson says that the gift is to create Not a philosophy, but a living philosophy So when I quote-unquote dabble or I'm looking into all these things It's not because I want to fill my mind with more ideas so that I can sound cool Yeah I fill my mind with all these ideas because I see them as pieces that I can use Practically in my own life. Yeah to get a result that I want as I take each piece You know sometimes or reject them but as they take take each piece and apply them Maybe for a season in my life or for a particular problem I'm having or to heal something if it just goes into the tool belt as something that I can say Yes, this is good like a refer back to it if I'm looking to support or help someone else. Yeah Let's shift gears again here a little bit so and then it's the latest and it's something pretty neat for the entire Title of this episode. Yeah, man. How have you seen fatherhood change in your lifetime? Growing up in the 80s and 90s in the 2000s. You saw it. You saw culture changing. You saw politics changing. You saw these different things So You know life changing, you know the internet coming, you know come of age cell phones But I'd be seen fatherhood change during that time You know, I got to be completely honest when I think about Fatherhood, of course, I have my experience with my own father But then all I can look to is pop culture television and growing up in the 80s The fathers that had the the left the biggest imprint on my mind were Al Bundy, okay. Yeah Yeah Al Bundy and you know Absorbing that like I thought Al Bundy was amazing. I was like, he's my hero because the show was hilarious Yeah, and the guy was like his jokes were off the hook. He was amazing Now that I look back and see the Social engineering going on, you know, how much of a fool he was and how weak he really was You know, it well interestingly he was a strong father compared to what we see now on TV I mean, I don't know today's media. I've stopped. It's that bad. It's that bad but I did watch Let me go back because there are a couple of movies that I saw but there was there was Al Bundy and you're right You know, he was strong because he had an opinion and he spoke his opinion and he he created the no-mam group Yeah, I told my brother watching Al Bundy when I told him about make town and red pill and then I was into this and it was pretty cool stuff He's like sounds like no, ma'am Without Bundy. So yes, you're right. I I do agree with you But then there was Homer Simpson and Bill Cosby. Yeah, he's he's clipped hust up huckstable Those are the dads that I think of in terms of what imprint was left on my mind outside of my home How it's changed them since then I Don't know. Maybe that would maybe that's something you could tell me more about because I had you know I don't watch too much I try not to watch it either. Yeah, but I try to stay I try to stay in tune with like what's going on with it Yep, and I I know for example, too. I looked recently. I was looking at the Simpsons I was reading an article about it and fatherhood and basically at the beginning of the Simpsons been the first aired I think the late 80s or whatever it was with the nine early 90s Homer wasn't quite the buffoon. He is now like he was still it was still goofy and stuff But there was actual like almost like morals to the each episode or there was like Homer Had a purpose for doing what he did there was still some redeeming quality to To not just to him as an individual or even as a man But as a father and that I think is what they've tracked in the episodes is that's like gone That's been gone for years. Yeah, and it was a slow erosion over time and the other You know the culture's been changing since the late 80s or whenever started So it that's probably just tracking with the rest of the culture and they're responding to it But it's interesting to see it then expressed like that or you're playing play it out as propaganda even and suddenly kind of light propaganda Then you also saw other you know TV shows spring up. I think modern modern family is a good example I've seen like a few episodes here and there and the fathers in these these episodes The buffoonery is like not even just buffoonery. It's not like they're just clowns or something all the time It's like they're absolutely useless at this point Mm-hmm, where it was, you know the beginning say with Homer Simpson He wasn't quite that bad. There was still something he was doing to his fam for his family Right going to the nuclear power plant, you know fucking something up It's still coming home and loving his kids. Mm-hmm. So now it's just gotten, you know, Rolo talks about this a lot that You know, we saw taught we saw the the concept and the hashtag of toxic masculinity Just recently a couple years ago that started and that that's like gone now. Now. It's all masculinity is toxic, right? It's no longer even categorized. They've in a span of two years since Trump took office or whatever It's like everything masculine is toxic. All fatherhood is toxic. I saw actor actor Terry Cruz The big the huge black guy the other day he he's usually super pro-feminist like all this crap, right? Yeah, but he went like on Twitter like lightly pro-fatherhood like obviously it's important You know, we know that but he the fact that he even dares suggests that he got like viciously attacked He apologized for some of it. Not all of it. Thank God I want to saw but a little bit of it and it's just amazing to see a guy who is a father He's proud to be a father to some extent in spite of the feminist crap And then the second he steps out of line He just gets like viciously attack like little like viruses attacking him Mm-hmm, and I think that that would not have been the case in in the 80s or 90s night even close No, the 2000s maybe mm-hmm. See I grew up most in the 90s. I was born late 80s But I'm just old enough to know like the album be like all that stuff. Mm-hmm. Do you watch family matters, too? Oh It was another black family The guy was a cop. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that one strikes me too is like you wouldn't see that today No, I don't I didn't watch a lot of the show But I watched enough of it to where it was like it wasn't it wasn't like the absolute buffoonery and Debacement of fatherhood we see today, right, which is just rampant. Mm-hmm So yeah, I think these are topics too. We'll see other speakers speak about at the convention coming up the patriarch edition of 21 con Let's actually focus on that a little bit. Sure What speakers other speakers at the conference are you excited to to meet or to see speak? Are you so you so far met socrates hunter drew and roll a tamasim? Mm-hmm. I know Zina's more Yeah, of course all three of them especially knowing them personally and I think they're great guys So can't wait I don't know if it is Dr. Sean T Smith. Yeah, I'd be there. I just talked to him. Yeah, really love a lot of his videos I've been meaning to get the tactical guide to women. Yeah, which I Yes, I imagine just by watching his videos is an amazing book I've yet to get it but being one of those books that Every young man just needs to put on his shelf. Yeah, so yeah, those are those are the guys that I'm familiar with and really looking forward to to hearing speak. I didn't realize How much of a wealth of information and experience Socrates was yeah until I got to Sit in the car with him on our ride to He's one of my favorites shooting man. He is awesome. So I can't wait to see what he lays down there Yeah, he was actually um, I would say he was kind of a I don't know if innovators the word and look for him He was like a precursor to what we're seeing now at the convention Yeah, so when he spoke at the convention back in the day He started speaking in 2011 they spoke in 2012 and 2014 and all that and I was before we got involved with the red pill and rollo and hunter and all these guys But he was the only guy back then when we had a bunch of dating coaches speaking and fitness coaches and stuff like that Marxist and He would be the one guy who would talk about relationships in depth and not just like a light brush Like his whole talk would be about like his first one was called was it a Ray I can't remember the damn title, but it's like a relationship guide a contrarian a contrarian guide to relationships But you know the contrarian part aside is it was an excellent talk He just focused on relationships tightly and this was like really unusual back then like the fact that you do this at like What was known, you know halfway at least at that point is a pickup conference was like super out there Yeah, so he's fat. He's fitting perfectly to the new speaking lineup. We have gone on now. Yeah, like an elder an elder Yeah, exactly great for the young men You know I spoke recently about you know being in the red stage the hot stage when testosterone comes up Yeah, all you want to do is fight and fuck. That's great and you need support for that Yeah but not given Direction as well as a purpose and a vision for what's possible. You know ultimately that fire cools off It will it must cool off. Yeah You're gonna be where you're gonna be left with what and so when you have guys like Socrates talking about okay Now as you did all the fighting and fucking yep You might want to know how to have a relationship You've definitely sat down in the car with Socrates In elder is a really good way to put it that's exactly what he was these guys are a lot younger than him He was maybe 45 back then 44 stuff like like mid 40s Most of the speakers back then some are older like Marxist and the fitness guys But most of the the relationship early the dating guys and anybody to do with like the pickup community was like late 20s early 30s mid 30s maybe late 30s So he was the elder and they looked up to him and even to this day is still leader at the conference Yep, he's one of our ambassador speakers. It's like another status level for the speakers We have the three include Socrates Rolo and then George Bruno. You're gonna love a lot George Bruno So many got to meet. Yeah, I think we talked to you about them a little bit I watched a couple of his videos super super fun to watch do this thing on yeah On YouTube with his coffee and the stirring thing. Yeah, I can't wait to meet him Yeah, he'll interview you at the conference He's our he's the current host of the 21 report the interview series we have and he's killed it He was like he's a speaker as well, but then he does the interviews so you'll meet him that way Yeah, it's so cool to be opened up to this whole new world of yeah mines and men. So thank you I find the best ones I can man. Yeah, you're doing a great job. Fuck. Yeah, you're part of it, man Fuck yeah, so this episode is titled a new patriarchy We're talking about like a title before the show a couple of options We had but a new patriarchy we just and I like that tier for the same reasons. Oh, yeah So when I when I see my work with the 21 convention 21 studios as well as the Red Pill and the Manusphere independent of what I do I See this is building something new like looking to the past for answers to I think that's really important Oh, yeah, but also like we can't like we talked about explicitly before the show started You can't just wind the clock back and even if you did what would what would that accomplish? You'd end up right where the where we're at now, right? So talk to me a little bit about where you see or where you want the country to go Not even the country necessarily because it's it's all Western nations really that are under this like fatherhood and masculinity attack But where do you want to see the culture go and social socially go in relation to fatherhood? Like where does I need to go like a new patriarchy? Like what does that mean to you? Well You're right turning back the clock and having the old content associated with masculinity and femininity and and Patriarchy is no longer going to serve us. Yeah, one of the things Jesus says is you can't put New new wine in an old wine skin. So that's about content and context. Okay, so we need a new We need new wine, but we we can use the old wine skin. Let me put it that way So I screwed that one out. Okay, trying to use an analogy, but We long story short what I'm trying to say in a cool way is that a lot of the boundaries that have been dissolved over the past 100 to you know 50 to 100 years That are really our most important boundaries for existence Collectively on this planet that they're the last ones to have gone away And they're the first ones that are going to need to come back. It's almost like we're going to reverse order so a lot of the the bat and a lot of the boundaries that no longer are Necessary may or may not come back. Well, let me put it this way I heard I heard it put really well put really well in this old Chinese book I was reading that if you want to you want a strong healthy powerful World you work within personal boundaries of the individual. We need to know our limits We need to know our limitations We need to know what we stand for what we don't stand for we have to have personal rules and Discipline all very masculine. These are all very masculine traits I said before that masculinity is a lot, you know about creating boundaries. Yeah, self-boundary So the the emphasis needs to be on the self and discipline for the individual moving outward then becomes Discipline between man and community and or one another And so the other there's one the other would be our counterpart counterpart our woman So the boundary of man and woman has to come back It's one of the last ones to go because it's ridiculous I was just gonna say that the the boundary thing the boundary thing is really interesting because the the very boundary around Biological sex they're trying to erase that right which is just the most basic one and it's fucking crazy It's a clear indication that we're at end times Yeah, like this is as far as it could possibly go in the most ridiculous and evil way possible Yeah, to degrade the most fundamental boundaries of what makes us human beings is what I'm talking about Yeah, and to say that there's no difference between man and woman It's almost comical in children to not even just adults, but in children we see that now I saw recently there was like a 11 year old Transgender kid or some shit New York and like a strip club or something Yeah, it's sort of you know some sort of walk cross-dressing show right and they're glorifying it Emotionalize it and they make it so that if you're if you're against that you're some sort of a you know You're an evil person evil racist Nazi, but that's the most evil thing. I define evil as As going against nature the further you go away from nature the further you walk from your walk from God You know walking the Dow or being in Step with God is being in step with nature when you say nature do you mean like Trees and like the water you mean like all of reality and you say that all of physical reality Okay, nature is a mirror reflection of the spiritual reality We can't see with our natural eyes the spiritual reality But we but we know of its existence because of the physical mirror that we live in and so nature When we are honoring it and we're walking in step with it And we're letting it be our guidepost meaning look to nature for the answers Yeah, you know, that's another way that we get a lot of our answers could questions could be answered You know like what should I do? Well, what would nature do? You know when you say what would God do that's really tough a lot of times because it's like God is too existential It's a supernatural consciousness right supernatural. I love that natural. I say nature There's a natural world and then there's a supernatural world So if you want to know a lot more about the supernatural world look to nature. Yeah, and in nature Everywhere across the board. There is Adam and Eve. There's male and female. I mean I Can go on too many different tangents but to come back to your question personal boundaries personal discipline Morals ethics. These are things that that can be taught need to be taught But at the same time are the core. It's really about the individual but then the other and the counterpart of the man is the woman and So the boundaries that are associated with honoring what it is to be a man The nature of masculinity and to honor what it is to be a woman and the nature of Femininity, you know before you asked me about, you know, what's Destroyed the family and the father and you know, what has made put men in this weird bind is that women aren't Fulfilling their natural role anymore birth control pills and easy abortion and women in the birth in the marketplace No fault divorce all that stuff don't liberate women It perverts them from the the amazing gift of being a womb man That's what the woman comes from woman the man that can hold a womb She not to say she's a man But the but the womb that she can create so that another man or woman can come into the world Yeah, is the most magnificent human gift in nature a miracle. It's a miracle and It has not only been lost but it's looked down upon Women keep pushing it because of the birth control pill the easy divorce and abortion keep pushing it later and later into the into Life and so serious risks and consequences for the kid. Yeah, and the mother. Yeah, absolutely And it they're going against nature in that but then at the same time They want to have children so then they have to use I Like to say or I'm going to say this now that a lot of our current nature our current science is Antithesis to nature meaning that it perverts nature. It's almost like dark science They're creating babies in Petrie dishes and shit, which is dark science They're even even psychology though Even look with the APA ruled the American Psychological Association They ruled that like traditional masculinity is basically toxic Right on Smith's been like raiding or railing against that, of course But that's considered like legit science today and that's just fucking crazy. Yeah evil science. Yeah, it's a dark science You know, so it might be science. Yeah, they're doing it to manipulate nature Yeah, but it doesn't it doesn't bring us closer to God science should bring us closer to God I truly believe that I don't think there's a division between science and religion Science is the study of the natural world and should be a search for the truth And I think that's where scientists today and anything related to that has gone way off the rails in a lot of ways They're not searching for the truth. They're not searching for reality They're talking about erasing genders and how it's all they're trying to legitimize all that crap into like I think it's They consider themselves scientists and like truth seekers, but they're not like these people with PhDs and gender studies or whatever the fuck They have it's just crazy. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they have their they're getting their Strings pulled also to buy those with the agenda. So there's a lot of fake science I've heard to put to that a lot of modern science is like I figure what they called it But it's tantamount to what you saw like in the Dark Ages. Yeah, like people just preaching like all this random shit and like Oh, it's just totally legit. Mm-hmm. It's like no actually like there's two sexes and that's like very, you know common sense Like yeah every day it should be like a common sense fact. It was when we were growing up, right? You know in the 90s, you know having to call somebody's somebody asking call them zur or some other random You know 67 genders would have been like the most nonsensical crap, right? It's like what's happening in just a couple years You know, that's why it'll be the easiest one to put back together That's why I'm so staunch on this right now because I'm like, all right We've got as ridiculous as we can and if we want to start putting it back together again No, we don't have to go too far like into the past like you're saying we don't we don't need to create the old rules and and and mental boundaries the most physical boundaries are the easiest ones to Put back together again, and that's why it's like this is a no-brainer. Yeah, there's man and a man and female There's male and masculine feminine. So that one as we've pushed it to the limit I don't I don't think the the deep dark state can push it any further through their media and propaganda machines You know calling this to new patriarchy and seeing Donald Trump as an I really do believe that he's a torchbearer for that Oh, yeah, he's a he's a leader in that not him per se but the fact that the American people gave him their thumbs up and We'll continue to will put will put is is saying that our souls are Thirsty for a strong masculine Patriarch and boundaries to come with it like the wall and stuff. Yeah, the fact that he wants to build a wall a giant boundary Yeah, it's like that's the you know I said that it's the physical world is an expression of God. It's almost like God saying You need some boundaries here. You guys are getting crazy put up a wall and it's funny throughout the Bible They were there's so many stories about the what walls in the Bible, you know, I think isn't one of the guys Jerob Jeremiah Some weird Old Testament name It was called to go to Jerusalem and rebuild the wall and it was like his whole he was called by God And it was whole his whole mission was we got to build this wall I thought it was so yeah, like almost like history doing this again history repeats history is a cycle But I like to think of it as an ascending spiral saying we're moving up in our consciousness It needs to do we're getting lighter, but it's repeating itself. Yeah, so Donald Trump You know, there's this picture of him in Israel. I think somewhere touching the wall. I'm like That is so poetic in so many different ways with his hand on that wall Yeah, what he represents and what that wall represents, you know taking a step back I really like what you said about Embracing why I interpreted it as embracing your nature as a man or woman and I think I completely agree that you know Both men and women today have completely abandoned that Yeah, I think women a little bit harder, but It's really like a minor difference like both are completely off the rails right now and for the most part And I do see for example the manosphere and particularly the red pill community and even other elements of it Like the pick-up artist community and stuff teaching men how to be successful with women I at least succeed with the opposite sex regardless of the specific goals of it I see the manosphere overall is teaching men how to embrace their nature how to be more masculine genuinely not this like fake You know like apologetic masculinity like oh I'm a man until you make me apologize on Twitter like no masculine I'm gonna lead my family That's why I actually called this event the patriarch edition rather than the fatherhood edition I almost called it the fatherhood edition and that was the original title before we launched it And like a few weeks beforehand. I'm like wait a second. Wait a second You know fatherhood feels a little bit too specific that isn't necessarily You know that doesn't cover everything fatherhood is fatherhood, but it's not like leadership for example It's not maybe navigating a divorce for your child, you know God forbid So yet I came across the term of course patriarch and I was like this is fantastic for like 10 different reasons It's the ultimate hate hated word by feminist But also signifies leadership, you know more than fatherhood like we talked about at the beginning Anybody can go knock a check up but to be a strong leader and a father to embrace your nature as a man That's powerful stuff. Yeah, and you know it's It doesn't necessarily mean you have to be a father But it I think the word patriarch especially coming I love the word roots and you know pattern So there's so much confusion now about so many different things, but about Fatherhood what it is to be a father. Why would you want to be a father? A lot of people don't want to be fathers And I don't blame them. I understand but the word patriarch is so overarching that you can take on the And this is amazing. You could take on the Characteristics and the values of a father and be a father figure in the world Yeah, a truly a father figure without having offspring through this idea of patriarchy rather than fatherhood So that just came to my mind and I like the way that you said that it's it's broad reaching and that every man who wants to be an elder every man who sees himself being of value past his Fighting and fucking fire stage. Yeah has to would benefit himself in the world and the world by learning The ways of the patriarch. Yeah Yeah, I love the way you put that the the fighting and the fire and the fucking stage Yeah, I think that's where I've been heading, you know for a couple years now We'll see why I end up with that But I do want to build a family someday and you know for example I almost didn't allow anybody into this conference. He wasn't already a father speaker or attendee even staff I was gonna make an exception But you know that brings to mind though that I changed that our role was one of the guys that convinced me to do that Yeah, I should let young men into the conference who are aspiring fathers like myself. I was actually asked yesterday I wanted a podcast with role and a fear that the speakers Steve the Dean Williams and Donovan sharp and Donovan actually the host asked me, you know, how am I gonna build a family? He was a genuine sincere question too because it's like fucking hard today Yeah, I mean, it's that's an understatement. It's like because I couldn't even give them I told them I was like, I don't really have a direct answer for you Yeah, because the environment is that much of a feminist hellscape. There's so many dangers and obstacles to doing that I believe it's possible like I see like you mentioned history being an upward positive spiral. It's repeating itself in some ways But yeah, I'm determined to do it and I guess my question here is do you have like some basic maybe top two ideas for young men To want to build families like how to do that today in this like very dangerous environment where you can get There's so many pitfalls you could fall into today Yeah, and it kind of brings me back to your question about, you know, where fatherhoods going and stuff like that and one of the things that I think we've got to establish is to de-establish marriage from the establishment from the state and I do believe it is It's good for us to pair bond Yeah, I believe that it's good for a man to be with a woman a single woman and to build their lives together in that unit and you know We may work backwards and there may be a time where we go back to Tribal units and maybe it's not as important But today it is important for a man and woman to be together to raise their family. Yeah, and so I Was I gonna say Well, let me kind of throw this in the fire if you could tell your 21 year old self I don't know if you're married by that point. Maybe you know wonder what I married 23 Okay So if you could tell your 23rd self the day you got married one or two things That you've learned since then like what would you add to your mind back then? What would you add to your soul back then? Nothing you need to undo your past like I fully agree with you the way you put that earlier Yeah, okay, I remember I was gonna go with that, but I'll take the diversion Okay, and I basically said what I mean did say it needs to be separate from the state And we need to go back to honoring our own relationships and maybe even bring it back to religion Yeah, you know, but not political religion true religion One of the piece of advice that I would have given myself is to have stopped having sex With my what was my girlfriend at the time? You know, so if I was 21 and it was a matter of okay now You're you know, you're gonna get married in two years or if that dawned upon me that maybe I want to marry this woman I would have stopped living with her You know, I first would have had to believed in my mind that I love her Love can't just be again emotional, but I would need it to have tested it for myself And so I think that's a part of the reason why the old school way of dating without sex was is important Because it's like okay can you love this woman even without the sex and I haven't had sex with many women so I you know, but I can only imagine that Sex is sex There's been a lot of manipulation in sex that has destroyed it Yeah, I think pornography has destroyed sex for us for men And I think birth control pills has destroyed sex for women. Yeah, the fact that birth control pills and porn Really reduce our our libido reduce our sexual power and our prowess and our sexual instinct women who are on birth control pills Aren't they're they're not sexual. They're they're more emotional They're emotional in how they choose their partners their emotions and the choices they make with their partners changes the way they think to Right. Yeah, my wife was on birth control pills growing up You know being young and wasn't until after we started have children because she was after birth control pills that she started becoming a rock star in bed like sex sex was so much better She does things and I'm like, wow when you were 16, you were just laying there like a sack But now because she's not on those hormones any longer So a lot of men who you know complain that you know that my wife isn't really or my girlfriend isn't really into it You know the way they especially I could talk about the way porn destroys our imagination about what sex really is also to Know that Part of the reason why she's probably a sack of potatoes in the bed is because she's on the birth control pill So it's like you're having sex so that she doesn't get pregnant But at the same time your sex is gonna suck because she didn't have it She can't do it. She's less responsive and less expressive. I think that's what you're saying. Yeah It perverts sex. Yeah, so I would have if I the first piece of advice would be no sex There I have so many different logical reasons why I you know, I'm standing by that these days. Yeah, but I would said Stop living up together. My wife and I basically started living together when we were in high school. Wow because Her parents didn't have well for both of my parents both her parents my parents dissolved a lot of boundaries that That I will now uphold and you know, I'm grateful for the decisions They made because it brought me to the life that I am right now and I love my life But her parents didn't care that she was at my house all the time Yeah, and my parents didn't care that I was 16 years old locked up in my bedroom with my girlfriend all the time So we basically started living with one another. I didn't know myself as an unmerited when I say that Married, I mean we were having sex and I say to you're a young man watching this right now You're having sex with a girlfriend. I I say you're married. You're basically married because now you've got that deep If it's especially if it's you know one woman you're with yeah, you're you're married. So I would have said Separation from living together if you and you if you're listening to this right now and you're a young man and you're thinking that you love Your woman and you thinking you want to marry her put it to the test and this is the test that I'm saying and It comes from religion, which I think is great because what it's going to do Is what I spoke about earlier is empty you it's going to empty you of neediness of emotional attachment of The pride all the bullshit clouding a judgment. Yeah There's a lot of false pride that comes with having sex Yep as a man and you may or may not recognize it But you Took to have a woman and to be having sex with a woman There's almost a swagger that comes along with it. Yeah, that cloud clouds your judgment walk out of the room like it Yeah, that clouded judgment that made me thought that I was something more than I was all that Needs to be purged Cleanse so that you can open yourself from the actually be led and by creating that separation those You know that time away from sex and from Physical dependence in in your constantly being with one another will give you the space to say Okay Do I really love this woman? It's a scary thing to you'll and here's another thing that you know, I discovered It's in retrospect also to that a lot of jealousy will come up a lot of fear At least I know I had to purge Come out, huh? Your demons are gonna come out all kind of if you're if you're already attached with a woman You're already having sex with a woman And you do what I'm going to say to you right now number one. You're strong You have to be strong. I don't mean strong. I mean strong in a very manly way Meaning I'm ready to face my demons. I'm ready to do battle with the dragons because your fears are gonna come out Oh, no, what is she gonna think? Oh, no is another man gonna want to have sex with her I'm gonna lose her am I gonna lose her all these things and especially if you take if you stop having sex with her and you for the for her Good health because you love her get her off of the hormones get her off of the birth control pills wife or woman, I love you and Because I love you or believe I love you we're gonna create some separation in that I would love for you to begin cleansing your body by getting off of the hormones. She's gonna get She's gonna be emotional. She's gonna get horny and So not only testing yourself and your own resolve and your own strength You're testing her also to what kind of woman is this when she's on the pill and she's attract They're very easy when they're on the pill when it comes to they're leaning on betas Their traction to alphas aren't very strong You know, that's why there are a lot of like social justice warrior women out there that I see commenting on my YouTube videos And I'm like you just have you're so filled with excessive female hormones that you have this misplaced Maternal instinct that doesn't allow you to see clearly and you're leaning on these overly beta Male ideas of what a man should be. I think there's studies on this too But this is what birth control is consistently to women as it pushes them towards those nice guys The second they get off of it the behavior changes and the desires change at least to cheat And so if she gets off the pill and she gets horny she cheats Hey, that is the greatest thing that ever happened to you. Yep, because at least now, you know, yep before She gets off the pill. Here's what could happen. She gets off the pill. Yep You get she gets pregnant. She doesn't go back on the pill and now she looks at you and realizes. Oh Shit. Yep. No This is a consistent story in the red pill in the manifest we see guys that go through situations and experiences like that Something else your your comments here remind me about is Rolla has an idea He's put out. I think in his first or second book I forget where it was that exactly he's talked about it repeatedly and that said if you want to marry a chick It's so similar. He's saying kind of like a tet almost like a self-test if you want to marry a chick And you're thinking about building a family with a woman You should absolutely not move him with her because of a lot of because a lot and Sean Smith talks about this too Because of the sex and all the changes that comes with that and you know the product the other closeness and all that proximity But you should not move in with her unless you're willing to get married like in six months flat like which is super fast Even by today's standards, right? Yep. So it reminds me kind of what you're saying that you know I see what that's like a I guess a test that Rolla has like almost for yourself And I think he's right. I think you're on to something here, too I think I'll take a lot of heat for that probably you know telling guys not to like bang chicks Mm-hmm. I want to take heat because they're emotional and they're attached Yeah, and they're needy and they defend their ideas and their needs and their emotions Well, you're listening to this in your in your trigger. Yeah, and you want to judge me try it Just test it out. Can you do it? If you if you can't that means you're addicted. Don't judge me for your addiction What comes to mind too is the level of patience and self-discipline this sort of choir never mind balls to do it Like because all kinds of potential consequences to it Well consequences of your fears coming out or you know, your fears about her being expressed She goes out and gets knocked up with some guy or fuck some other guy Well, you know, that's that would be the best thing that could happen to you But it might not feel like that and you're gonna feel that temporarily. Mm-hmm. So yeah, this is this is fantastic stuff, man Fuck yeah, you know, and they had this something. This is a message to that is not Not often communicated or heard in the man's fear a little bit from like the trad con stuff and the more low disguise Which I don't problem with is patriarchy, baby. Yes, it's the matured red pill with a matured Pickup, it's what's next. Yeah, you got to know these things. Yeah You know something I thought about too when you're talking about women earlier or anyone having sex before marriage But I also then split it up into men and women and how they might operate differently And it's my belief that the way women are behaving now like 80% of them is like wrong Like just they're getting a complete like most someone should be acting in a way very similar to what I think you're suggesting They should be very Chast they should not be promiscuous and doing that for women's like a very bad idea I do think that to always be a percentage of the population 10 20% they're gonna act like pretty promiscuously They're gonna be bad girls the same way, you know, men you have, you know, like 80% beta is like 20% alphas But I think we've lost that like 80% of women now in America in my experience are like pretty loose and pretty promiscuous And that's pretty recent. I think we had a place for women like that. That's when brothels were a thing That's where that's where this may be a crazy idea, but by legalizing promiscuity You allow that aspect of the collective shadow to be expressed in its maturity and in its fullness So to have women that are look let them be the tattooed brothel women Yeah, and pay them well tax them pay them well and like any other profession. Let it go to the free market Yeah, but by the but, you know, we end up now where they're all Sluts they're all you know, I don't say all but you said 80% they're all behaving like prostitutes They've got tattoos all over their bodies by the time they're 30. They've I don't know how many With the average amount of sex a woman has had with a man But I can't think of a man women will always Go for it. Let's do be liberated and have as much sex with as many men as you want I don't know how many men Want a woman that has had that much sex? Yeah, I don't know what man is gonna rally for that no matter how feminist you are and how much just think about it You know, they were 57 nuts busted inside your girlfriend or your or your or this woman that you want to make your Make your make your wife and the woman of your children the wife of your mother of your children Being that the physical world is a manifestation of the of the or the natural world is a manifestation of the supernatural It's not that they were just physical nuts busted in her she's taken in the nature of every single one of those men and I don't believe that your children are not affected by that There's actually science like legit science that supports or suggests what you're talking about I saw it a red roller post that are somebody in the red pill about a year ago Yeah It was a study about flies and how when the when the female ones I guess get inseminated even if they don't get pregnant That ends up influencing the DNA of their future children like whatever little flies in it So it was posted in the red pill because everyone immediately is like holy shit these girls They're banging, you know, they'll fuck 75 dudes or 80 dudes by the time of 30 You know assuming most of that or all that was raw on birth control or whatever Like what does that mean for your kids? Are they gonna have DNA even if it ends up being your kid? Which it might not be it might have it might have some DNA from other men because of her behaviors and I agree with you're saying that The physical world, you know her actions are a manifestation who she is and who she's choosing to be over time and In itself, I don't have a problem with that Except that has consequences. Yeah, and those consequences like you're saying are not something I probably want to be involved with if I want to have a mother for my children and build a family because it's dangerous The woman will then flip that around and say well, that's how men act. It's like well, you're not a man, right? And I'm not a woman like I don't I don't expect you to act like me. You shouldn't expect me to act like you Which is of course lost now. Mm-hmm. Everyone's this homogenous NPC at this point, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah No, I like the word that you used a chaste and chastity, which is a virtue Yeah, yeah, there's a reason why it was a virtue. Well, it's hard like it takes effort It takes discipline exactly like you're saying with men to make these different choices to not just with sex and women But also with strength masculinity facing your demons that requires strength that require that's fucking hard for men to do And that's why we become more masculine when we do it for women I think they become more feminine the more they preserve their femininity to preserve their chastity It's you know, our grandfather's one of the in the red pill They say that our grandfather's you know, they were used to women who had zero prior partners or like one or two Or something now you'd be lucky It's like buying a used car for a new car price a girl girls now have dozens and dozens of partners really fast Yeah, and they'll blame guys like me to do it But the reality is women are choosing act like this And they will continue to act like this on their own like I don't cause that behavior The guys in the red pill don't cause that behavior These women are gonna act like that or they're choosing act like that in spite of all criticism and consequences at this point A lot of the consequences have been erased, of course, too They don't feel there's any more the slut shaming and stuff like that I think this tendency towards promiscuity for men is as feminizing as The promiscuity turns Women into men, you know women are going out there having lots of sex and it's again You would think of that as a masculine thing But the but the easy sex for men as a result of the birth control pill and birth control also to makes us more feminine in that we are Very attached to the sensual experience of sex rather than putting it in its rights, right place So it's all about tasting the broad palette of all the different wines that could have I like this kind of woman that kind of woman So you're really attached to that to the physical to you know, I spoke about the word pattern and patriarch coming from Paternity but being attached to the material world is very much being a mama's boy and all physical experience when Taken to the degree that you need it or you're very addicted to it is a very feminine way to be That's why the the religions of old always had Assetics and aesthetic practices you don't go out there and have sex with lots of women because that's not very Pattern like father like God like it's very feminine dark and that's always bit for men in particular been associated with evil Not to say that women are evil, but the tendency towards the darkness of earthiness and Emotion and sensuality Can lead you down a very chaotic road. Yeah, lots of sex with lots of women is Chaos as opposed to order right? Yeah, interesting. Yeah, we call it in the red pill They call it I think the pleasure palace or the pleasure prison or some shit like that It's loosely similar to what you're talking about. Yeah, interesting Yes, this would be a good debate to have at the the event We don't really do debates, but I'm sure these would be hallway conversations guys have Because usually questions a lot of men have and they're not just questions They're They're challenges in life you have to face especially right now with things changing so rapidly with technology and feminism and society and Culture and politics. Oh, yeah. Yeah, things are changing super rapidly and a lot of them are questions that nobody Posed any before it was almost he couldn't ask these questions for the past. Oh, yeah a few decades You know a lot of people are upset with yeah, I mean they're calling me out about my my Interview with Brian Rose on London real where I didn't even make an assertion as to whether or not women should vote or not I didn't say yes or no. I saw the question attacking me I just said I don't know and just by doing that Yep I left the question mark there and that alone was taboo. Yep, that is opposed How can I not ask a question? That's when you really know that we're being censored a censored and dumbed down Yeah, when a question causes that much. Yep pain Well, they're trying to dictate to you how to think and you're like, no I'm just gonna ask a question and just leave it at that Which I totally support to and I don't know the answer either to that question woman voting or not And it's it's a consistent, you know issue or debate we have with the red man group at the convention a little bit My current opinion is that you know Choices of consequences woman voting has consequences men and women have different biologies and different Psychologies, and I think we're seeing that play out with the rise of like socialism in America and things like that Over in the deep state or the past like 80 hundred years all that, you know the debt I don't know if you know this but I think I sauce to defend Malania once did like a whole presentation on it The national debt America has skyrocketed specifically since women got the vote Which makes a lot of sense with the red pill and Rolo's work and all that women wanting security and all that It's like, yeah, well, it's a consequence and what are we gonna do about that? That has long eventually that's gonna have a big consequence Yep debt, you know eventually has to be paid up and things like that Trump has some good plans for it. Of course little little borders. Yeah, patriarchy for it. Yeah The great white hole. Yeah, that's what Jesse Lee Peterson calls him. Yeah, he's great Yeah, we gotta get him in the convention someday. That would be amazing. Yeah Yeah, we might even do a a black edition of the convention someday with our black speakers And I think Jesse might come in for that or something. I think that's good Now that I've become more red pill aware, you know a part of the secularization of society has been this blurring of the line and this I even believe, you know, I mentioned woman suffrage in the beginning But the whole cold so-called civil rights movement that forced integration I don't think it's necessary and I think these things cause more tension than is is needed I think it's okay to have boundaries. It's okay for Muslims to be Muslims and for Christians to be Christians It's okay for blacks to be blacks and for whites to be whites It's okay for men to be men and women to be women Yeah, and there was a time when I resisted that and it cut and you know part of the reason why I risked it resisted is because I'm multi-racial myself But even being of mixed race. I do see the value of Blacks doing black things and being okay. Yeah, and whites doing white things and being okay Not in a way that keeps us at odds with one another But in a way that allows our collective strength to increase So that we can do trade with one another. Yeah, same thing like with the countries now that you know globalism wants to Destroy all the boundaries between countries It's and I know a big part of the reason why is because they wanted they want everybody to be like Western capitalism and it's really it's Globalism is a is a is a capitalistic venture more than anything. It has nothing to do with Human rights has everything to do with Urseping the minds and the hearts and the earning power of more and more people. So really it's a greed thing It's a power thing putting everyone under the same thumb of like some sort of communist like one old government or something like that Yeah, that's why I see it. Yeah, yeah I agree with you though on the on the culture and races having their own distinct cultures and maintaining that every time Right, why people in particular seem to have lost their sense of identity and culture in America and otherwise That's that's unfortunate and I'm all for you I think If you're black you should have you know your own distinct culture and you should embrace that and develop that and make it better over time And sending that rather every other every other part of the culture and religion and stuff like that Mm-hmm Imagine like, you know the gifts of the of the blacks in America, you know in America You look at the I don't say the divide but the contrast between whites and you get the best of what white people can do Yeah, and you get the best of what black people can do. Yeah, and just imagine if The boundaries were honored and everybody traded fairly Imagined imagine all I mean black people made music in America Even country music that has is really white and bluegrass. I love it Came from the inspiration of afric or black people. I'm gonna say african-american Or african-american black and white stuff too, right? Yeah came from blacks. So imagine blacks owned their Own their own music owned all their own music And owned all their own sports, you know Own all of the things that made them make them great as as artists and musicians and being okay with that Not having to be more like whites, but by taking Great care and honor and value in building up the gift of the black And then the whites doing the same thing honoring their distinct culture building up their values and then through honorable free trade between the two rather than her souping power and having victim and oppressor And apologizing for everything and yeah, right white people having to apologize It's all this tension rather than that. I think it would just it would have been amazing to Honor the boundaries and play fairly. I think you had the other day just a couple days ago on your instagram Story you had something it was related to this and I liked it a lot. I was like hit the nail in the head I forget the exact image. I think it was you you put up and it was about diversity and like unity And I think I don't know if you agree. That's exactly it, but I believe that diversity the way it's you know, modernly Projected it's not a strength. It's like a weakness Yeah, but like what you're saying though if there's unity in like a distinct tribe or culture or a group of people And then are able to freely trade and interact with other cultures That's a very positive that's like a Kind of like a secondary diversity almost something like that. Was that you the post of that? I think it was you unity in our diversity Yeah, I There's a another page I was following that I Reposted it, but yeah, I see that as the as the ultimate And that's why it's good that Donald Trump is making America great again A lot of people who are like, well, what about all the other countries? Well, what about them? Let them be great again too Turkey be great again. Let mexico be great again Let let every country be great again Let us use our strengths and rise to our our Potential and then be fair with one another I think he even said something almost exactly like that in one of the his his un speeches Maybe like a year ago or something like that like make your country great again. Yeah, I'm similar to that. Yeah Yeah, which I'm all about like if you live in a country that you're not happy with like make it better That's what we're trying to do as hard as we can Absolutely. Yeah, that's something I've really I've been really um I don't know if proud is the right word. I've been impressed and uh Very happy to see it like you're you're an influencer your content creator You're an American your father your patriarch and you were standing up and making a political stance After, you know, how many years or whatever with with your uh with your brand and your personality and your identity and your and your ability To influence millions of people. I think it's really powerful more men need to do that I did that with 20 Minutes studios for my first time with Donald Trump I endorsed him right before the election and I lost thousands of subscribers But I knew that I think like you're doing now I got the sense that I needed to stand up and finally make an endorsement of something that was very important to me Whereas I never endorsed previously I endorsed Ron Paul a little bit, but it was very like low-key I didn't use the company to do it in this case in 2016 late 2016 I did and I'm really happy to see you do that and I think more uh, Whatever way they're gonna go with it. They need to stand up fathers And men and even women need to stand up and speak to what they believe in and make endorsements or take action and And give guidance to their fans to the extent that their fans are going to ask them for that Some leadership like that like being a father. I actually like that a lot. You gave me the bio Uh to put on the website, you know for the patriarch edition of the 21 convention And it said like, you know, CEO father a strong man all that and then it was father figure to millions of men And I do believe that's what you've done to a generation that has grown up with uh Very emasculated fathers or no fathers and even independent to that, you know, they're surrounded by weakness and Anti-masculine anti-malamessages So you've done that successfully and I think I think what you're doing now with uh being a little bit more political It's still not the primary thing that you do. It's just part of it You're standing up for your you're it's almost like you're creating a boundary I think that's what has upset your fans the ones that don't like trump or They're just whatever right you've set up a boundary with your brand or brand now Like I endorse trump you need to be okay with that or like it or you need to get the hell out of here or just whatever See that's been it's been awesome to see that and I hope more content creators do that. Yeah, thanks One of my dad's favorite lines was I'm the bad guy and I don't care if you hate me, but I'm gonna do what's right Yeah, and I think that's amazing also too because men are afraid to not be liked Which is very feminine women are more about being liked and being Reputation reputation men are about doing what's right And my father risked us not liking him To do the right thing say the right thing stand for the right thing and set the right boundaries And knowing that I it has been my Path To be a father figure to millions of men Means that I got to do the right thing say the right thing right put up the right boundaries As a father figure regardless of if they hate me or not and it hasn't been until Recently that I've been willing and able to to carry that banner of being the bad guy Yeah, yeah the bad guy bad guy that holds the third hodge twin, right? I see they follow your stuff their lives. He has a lot. Yeah, that's right. And it's so funny We must be we must be related in past lives also to we look a lot alike. We have a lot of the The same fans because we're both in fitness and have watched them. I have to say that They probably they were inspirations and you know if they get a chance to watch this that'd be amazing too. Maybe I'll send it They were inspirations for me In my fitness youtube channel creating that, you know, I created my channel But when they were like, hey, dude, if you make a lot of videos and turn on the ads, you'll make a lot of money and I was like All right, sounds great. It's worth it. And so I did that and I was like, wow, thank you and I modeled a little I have to be honest. I modeled a lot of my uh My delivery Based on them. I realized that wow, they get really close to the camera because they're good looking guys Yeah, and they speak directly to the camera the comedians too, right? Yeah and fitness stuff too, though Yeah, so they're delivered, you know, I'm I have a different Character than them in a lot of ways, but my delivery Is a lot like them. I look a lot like them So I modeled that and then when I saw you know, I took the last few years to do some solo searching Grow my family, you know, all the I call it being in the tunnel, you know working on myself Uh, when I started coming back out and I saw them being vocal about their conservative stance I was like, they're gonna my brothers. All right. Good They gave me just a little bit of courage to say all right. Fuck it I'm just gonna put out donald trump content. Well, I think that's what you're doing That's that's really what I see and what you're doing is you're encouraging other content creators who are you know fans of yours for so many years or whatever Uh, maybe that ends up being ben greenfield or other, you know upcoming youtubers and stuff Like they're seeing what you're doing and they're like, all right elliott's got the balls to make this decision to make this call And stand by it in the face of a lot of criticism and all kinds of people getting angry at you Yeah, standing up like a father would as a father is in your case. Yeah, fuck. Yeah Yep, so I had a question a really specific one. I wanted to ask it's kind of personal Um, and so we're gonna shift gears here out of the, you know, political cultural landscape Uh, how has being how has fatherhood for you and being the father differed with your daughters versus your son? Uh, in terms of like the gender difference between them Well, what y'all to know is that I'm the oldest of mostly boys Okay, so I'm old and mostly boy cousins growing up in a neighborhood with a lot of boys I was like the king of the boys. Okay, so I knew about being the oldest boy being a leader of boys And when I started having children had a daughter Then I had another daughter And then I had a third daughter and I'm like I don't know and and not dating a lot, you know, not knowing much about women besides my wife and my mother and my sister I don't know anything about women So there's nothing about and I recognize I realized and you know, I'm just telling my story being personal like you say I projected a lot of my beta characteristics Upon how I was raising my daughters in the beginning. Okay, you know Putting They would say put the pussy on a pedestal But and that has to do with other women, but dads who have daughters You know what I mean you put your daughter on a pedestal. Yeah, too much of the princess kind of character type Yeah, maybe put the princess on the pedestal. Yeah Not wanting to hurt their feelings not wanting to just have them say no to them Being beta being congenial to Even my wife she has no choice. She's a woman. She's gonna lean towards a lot of lax liberal secular ideas and ideals and so Having be being overpowered in the home if you could say Like, okay, this is what the girls want my wife's okay with it. It's almost half a dozen of them Right. Yeah, and I and I yielded I yielded a lot and so And why is that dangerous or why is that bad as a father? Because it's like having two mothers I wasn't being the boundary setter. I wasn't being a father I was being like one of the children or like a lesbian in the home Okay, you know, and so When I had my son and I guess timing is right. I had to go through that experience I truly believe in order to be of greatest value To the to my sons in the world, you know So the people the young men that follow me I had to know what it was like to go through that And I think a lot of them suffer from that just from their childhood Being king of the boys and staying king of the boys and not having an experience of being a beta I don't think would have given me the compassion to even come out Like I am now in favor for the strong masculine stance that I'm taking Uh, I don't think I could do it because I just wouldn't have the compassion I would just be like, what are you right on a pussy? Yeah, now I get it You'll find that almost every single speaker I think every speaker this particular conference you're going to speak at has had the exact same experience They've done a lot of very alpha strong things. They've also made a lot of mistakes That includes me that includes socrates rollo all these guys They've done we call like dumb beta shit, but However you want to characterize it. Yeah, we make mistakes And I think through that though you learn that compassion that even that empathy and that's why like yesterday on the podcast I was on Someone was like make a funnel. They call these betas and stuff. I'm like, you know That's not the only problem the only problem The only men I don't really don't like revising males that rollo calls them like these absolute traders If they're not an absolute trader to their own sex If even if they're beta even if they're weak, even if they do this, you know, really stupid shit, I've done it Right And through that I'm able to empathize with that and I don't I don't have a problem with them because I know they can change Right. I know they can make better choices. They can learn they can go to conferences. They can Take action. They can do ballsy risky or uh disciplines, you know actions different stuff like that Yeah, so I like the compassion. It's a good way to put it. Yeah, or empathy empathy. Yeah I kind of get the too confused, but Knowing that Knowing how they feel because I've been there. Yeah, and I've and I've become aware of how I was there And I can look at my blindness in retrospect I can Of course empathy and compassion and say, okay, I don't hate you. I'm not mad at you I won't judge you or make fun of you. I know where you are You're lost and I won't make any qualms about that You're you're not on the right path But there's hope for you. Yeah, let me show you Yep, and so now that I have I have a son And uh, he's the youngest how does he know he's eight. Okay. He's the youngest. It's so funny because uh King of the boys, he's like the the prince And you know, I don't and I mean that in He's a mama's boy. He's got older sisters Those his sisters are his example Yeah He's the youngest. He's the baby. He's got three sisters. He's got three older sisters He's got uh, he's got a mom that loves him like any mom would and you know mom mom He's him especially because he's the youngest And so, you know, I'm watching him and I'm like, he's he's got it. He's gonna have it tough Uh, because he's he's taking on and he carries a lot of women foot female energy And I'm like, thank god that I am his father Yeah, and that when the time is right, which it's evolving, you know They go through this stage all children go through this asexual stage Where it's like, you know boy or girl It's like some of the traits show themselves like he was clearly masculine. I knew he was the minute I never showed him guns or weapons before he just didn't see him. I have him in my home He didn't really watch he was too young to be like watching violent things First time he saw a gun Toy gun at a kid. We were at a dude ranch, you know, horse horses and stuff And they were selling fake guns and a boy had a gun He didn't know what it was But all of a sudden he saw a little boy's gun and he was like a magnet. He was like Daddy, what is that shooter that he saw the kid shooting it. What is that shooter? I want that shooter and he went over and he was like mesmerizing He called it a shooter a shooter. You didn't know it was a gun I didn't have guns. I didn't show them guns. He figured out what it did though. It's pretty good. Yeah Yeah And so, you know even of course It's been my calling to be the man that I am the father that I am to the millions of men worldwide But then as my boy is beginning to around nine years old I think they start moving towards the father. Yeah, I've heard that too. Yeah It's pretty consistent that their mom was boys until they get like seven eight nine years old Yeah, yeah between seven and nine. Correct. That's what I'm starting to experience Starting to move towards me. Yeah, and so it's become really important for me even more important for me to Really dissolve the beta stuff that I was allowing the woman in my home to Kind of weaken me with Women are pretty good at that. Yeah. Well, they're the best and be the bad guy in my home now Yeah for my son. Yeah, so he sees even if he doesn't understand he sees okay Mom and all the sisters have this opinion And they're doing this thing But dad it's strange because he's going the other way Just for me to draw that contrast so my son can see there's a difference here Yeah, you may you may even still choose to go with your mom and your sisters now But there'll come a time when you're Going to know that you're not a woman. Yeah, you can't be a woman and they can't save you and that Remember what dad was doing remember what dad was saying remember how he was different There's another way for you. It's the right way and there'll be no question what it is to be a man And then he'll rebel Yeah, you know, I rebelled against my dad Being the king of boys. I think partly because I wanted to be the king and you're a teenager 14 15 or something I could only imagine that because my life seems to be a in so many ways Contrasts my dad. He had three boys. I had three girls. Oh, wow. Youngest was a daughter. Youngest is a son I just wishful thinking I imagine that there will come a time when he'll Naturally push against his mom And the girls and run towards in the same way I did the opposite He'll run towards what his dad is doing and it'll be the coolest shit because like I'm gonna be I'm out there shooting guns with you guys, you know, and he plays he plays fortnight and stuff like that It just comes natural. Uh, I'm out there hunting. I'm doing manly stuff. I lift Always have tough guys coming to my house. I own a gym So when it comes to time when he wants to create contrast as every teenager does It'll be like, dude, I've got the greatest contrast here for you. Let's go shoot some assault rifles and lift Fuck yeah, shark fishing whatever else we got to do man. Yep. Yep And I don't have to for you one of the things is I realize I don't have to force it I don't have to make him be anything but be an option available That's about I can imagine that's not only the best way That's like probably the only effective way to raise a son into an alpha into a masculine man He has to choose it for himself. Yeah, he forced it on him. He'll definitely to slash out It's like a you know, do you see that story play out in movies and stories for who knows how long So I think you're I think you're killing it. I think you're in the nail head I think the relationship between my wife and I also too Is very important for him to feel comfortable Allowing me to be the alpha father and to be a pattern that he wants to follow Because if I was living in a home Where many fathers and men do Where the woman Denigrates The masculinity I know my mom did my mom denigrated my dad's alphanus In a lot of different overt and subtle ways. Yeah, she says she doesn't like him You know and she's to this day. I'm like mom. You love every bit of alpha that he is That's why you're here. Yep, but she pushes, you know If I had a wife that let me put it this way Not if I had a different kind of wife because I have a wife That embraces the way I am my masculinity. She praises me in front of the children She plays her feminine role to such a degree That it highlights my masculinity in the home She and she she supports that and she Yeah, I'm reiterating myself here. It sounds like it um, it highlights and colorizes almost like that's color and Brightness to the example that you're setting. That's how I see it You're setting an example what what what a male-female relationship should be like, especially in that particular setting Yeah, so he won't because my wife doesn't resent me as a man Let me put that way a lot of women resent their husbands. Yeah Because my wife doesn't resent me My son will feel hopefully who knows what's gonna happen will feel like oh even mom Upholds and follows dad the way he is. It's right. Let me go Well, I'm a little bit too that your wife's relationship with you as an example An example It's a reflection of how she her relationship with all men She I would I would be stunned if your wife hated men except you I'm sure that's the opposite that she she respects masculinity and you're setting an example that an expression And she's embracing it and then your children are seeing that Yeah, but it's also I think gonna inform every parent relationship with their children's gonna inform the children like That's what the world is like or should be like as you guys are setting that in the home. It's beautiful. It's awesome I can't wait to meet her. Yeah, I'll be bringing her to the convention a patriarch convention. Yeah. Yep. Good chance I will. Yeah, hell. Yeah, I bring the kids too if you want man. Good chance. I won't There's a pool there they would hate they would love but other than that That's maybe probably for the best she she likes to be engaged in my work. Okay And so she's come to a lot of my uh, my grounding camps. Yeah, she doesn't come any longer and she respects that boundary Um, no women exclude all women now. Yeah, no, no, ma'am. No, but she still she still is behind the scenes. Yeah, of course Um So the reason why I say probably not is because we'd have well We need to bring someone to mind the kids because she'd want to Be there to watch me speak and she's all about what you guys are doing So she would be 100 wanting to be there to watch all the other speakers She'd feel like she'd be jipped if she had to you know, go well, I'll tell you this in the future Um, his sons are definitely welcome at the convention We have a two or three coming to the event right now this year a little bit older than your son 13 14 17 They come with their fathers to the event and we had a couple last year too. Drew bae brought a son for example His son was like 12 or 13 luke. Nice. So yeah, that's a good age Yeah, that's a good age. Yeah eight is a bit young for our content. Oh, yeah I mean, he wouldn't go unless he could bring his nintendo switch. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. We'll main him. We'll play main him We'll kill it Um, I think about wraps up what I wanted to get through with this. It's been awesome having you on the show Yeah, this has been great, man. What are my favorite interviews ever? Fuck. Thank you. Thank you. Hell. Yeah. Thanks, man Yeah, I appreciate that man. I'm still learning the ropes. I'm usually more of the conference You know behind the scenes guy the Wizard of Oz putting this all together but sitting down with you It's been really exciting and it's been uh It's been deep man like you you have and that's continually why I'm impressed Is you know getting spend time spend time with you shooting fishing doing all this stuff Like you have a lot more going on there realized and uh, it's been it's been just you know, fascinating journey to get to know you Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yeah, so uh before I forget to fuck up this part of the interview Where can people find out more about you? Uh, what's the most important thing grounded camp? Uh, yeah grounding camp is very important because grounding camp is My attempt to bring back one of the time-honored traditions that men have always provided for other men and that is I use this term lightly and kind of in a joke but a safe space Yeah for men to be men But not just like you've done with the 21 convention. It's a very safe space I want to honor you for that also too for creating this safe space Thank you for men to be men and to talk about manly things but initiation has always been a opportunity for life transition for death and rebirth For moving into a new phase of life for change for change And change needs context And that's why the elders and the great initiators always knew that when a young man was reaching that point in his life where Change was inevitable biology sets it in they would set themselves apart particularly from society and women Provide some austerity provide some challenge and provide some meaning For them to then proceed in the next part of their life Right that's what the initiation writes a passage Process is all about it's not something that just happens at puberty and I learned that big time Uh between the ages of 36 and 39 my last few years Life is constantly initiating you one of the things I say about grounding camp is that I'm not initiating you I'm not it's not that pseudo initiation when you go to college And they they whip you with the paddle and make you drink yourself to death. Yeah, that's not initiation That's pseudo initiation. That's a totally different thing. That's a part of the old dying patriarch Yeah, what I'm creating is one of the time-honored traditions of the new patriarch And that is and that's what grounding camp provides. So whether you're 24 I found is The critical age for many young men where there's this confusion Not that I chose that I can put I can see it logically why that's the case now But I began to see like why are there all these 24 year olds around there's all I do they're all 24 years old It happens to be one of those markers cycle socially. Yeah, where But then we're getting a lot of guys in their late 30s 40s and beyond because it is right For them also to To put down some of the old ways of the past season so that it can refresh I don't grounding camp is not me about me teaching you what to do in the next phase of your life It's about let's destroy our old ego Clean the slate open ourselves up to be led so that your next phase can be revealed to you Then that'll come at 36 49 So on and so forth. So all are welcome And what a better time to do it go to a camp like that right now in america Then right now with the whole country changing how fast it is and how uh, How extreme things have gotten but also how positive things look I could speak for myself and maybe feel the same that I've never felt this optimistic about the feature of my country in my entire life Yeah I have a president, you know personally that i'm proud of every day. Yep more and more so every day, which is even more What a what a what a pleasant surprise every day or a pleasant gift. Yeah Yeah, it's it's time for change and I think uh, I think we're doing that man. We're there man And we've got to be warriors because the forces of evil will fight back And they're fighting back and they're losing if you see all the media battles. They're screaming every single Dead fly that's laying around starting with the uh christine bailey thing. Oh, yeah, you know what a flop Uh up until recently they had the oh the boys that were wearing the mega hat What a flop the the the smallest thing what a flop the entire Russian BS where they were trying to go against it. What a flop they're they're throwing arrows. They're throwing arrows They're gonna keep throwing arrows We have to be stronger than them. We are stronger than them But we got to speak up. We got to do work like you're doing 21 convention You got if you have a voice use your voice. It's not about going back to the old ways It's not about the bringing back the old patriarchy. It's about renewing it in this way and it begins with being warriors Setting those boundaries and rebuilding this world damn straight build something better, man I think that's what you're doing. That's what we're doing. I'm excited to work with you at the upcoming convention We're doing it and be together in this. That's another thing. I'm so glad to be working with you. Yeah as another leader because That's the way of the new patriarchy. It's not competition Competition is a way is a part of the old patriarchy that is dissolving and dying We come together just like nations. America is becoming great again. Yeah, let our individual Businesses and sovereignties and gifts that we give to the world become great and let's work together Because that's how we're gonna rise. I call it the team the speakers, especially I call teamwork It's a very simple concept. Yeah, I grew up playing sports. I think like you And I see it working with so many content creators is just fundamental teamwork And we're doing that, you know with organizations and individuals And that is I believe a big part of the future like you're saying of a new patriarchy and a masculine future and a better future For this country Is teamwork at every level whether that's like we talked about earlier with different cultures and races And then also, you know organizations and businesses like this and you know individuals Yep, it's been fucking awesome having you all man. Appreciate you and I'll have you back here soon Orlando Sounds great. We'll be uh, Elliott Hulst will be at the 21 convention patriarch patriarch edition. Yep. Be there. Hell, yeah That's going on may 3rd of the 5th in Orlando, Florida You can get tickets on sale now. You could save 25 off getting your ticket now tickets are at the 21 convention.org That's the 21 convention.org Slash patriarch There's also going to be a link in the description of this video or anywhere else around it like a card And you can go and check that out and visit the event and meet everybody at the conference It is an incredible experience everything we do with 21 convention speakers like Elliott roll to mossy myself hunter drew all these guys Don't miss it. It is the first time we've ever done an entire convention an entire weekend Focused on fathers fatherhood masculinity marriage and family. You need to be there We do plan to repeat it in the future. We'll see how often it happens But for right now, this is the one and only patriarch edition of the 21 convention This may in Orlando, Florida, and I hope to see you there. I appreciate you tuning in Elliott. Thanks again It's been awesome having you out and thanks you. Thank you for everything you're doing man And your whole life and with your entire business my pleasure