 Okay. Well, hello everybody. My name is Sandy Baird and we're here with what's happening. And this is July, I guess 27th And we're still into the coronavirus period with me today is Ian Stokes who is our wonderful technician He's able to manage all this stuff on zoom and Mark Estrin our local philosopher and Musician and many other things jack of all trades or we could call him a Renaissance man and Pete Garotano who is also a Renaissance man and he is in the first day and I'm happy to see him So because his zoom He has told me might be a bit little bit questionable We will ask him to begin with what's happening in the news and his comments. So go ahead Pete well, I am Have been very bored like people who don't have a job and So I've spent way more time than I ever thought I would on the computer Pretty much every morning from five to eight or nine hours and hours and hours kind of looking at Data and statistics, which is always kind of dangerous Because of course statistics can be Shaped any way you want them to be shaped So I was prompted by Catherine often Austin Fitz somebody whose web page I read a lot to read a book which you recommended called virus mania and It really changed my view of some things and that I should kind of look into things more closely that many previous Pandemics have not panned out the way they were necessary advertised And so I started looking at this one just to see if it had filed the pattern of many of the other the MERS and the SARS and the swine flu and the avian flu and This book goes into polio and AIDS and everything else. It's very interesting offers another possible explanation That is often overlooked in these things which would be An outside agents instead of something in the body that was initiated not from eating an animal, but maybe from toxins in the atmosphere maybe from pesticides which was blamed for polio in this book from Really really toxic drugs being ingested at which was blamed on the AIDS crisis on this alternate explanations That had seen that validity and it's very well footnoted is this is all You know written by a virologist and a doctor and one of the doctors is still practicing currently So I recommend the book to anybody who it was it's been a learning experience to me because I'm certainly not a doctor Or a virologist or an epidemiologist or any of those things but it's We all are probably aware that the medical industry and the pharmaceutical industry is not Always doing things our best interest and there's been a lot of fraud certainly in studies and and CDC and who are partially funded by these same Companies that stand to make money out there now. I want to I don't want to get People too riled up. So I don't want to I am not saying that there's nothing happening right now And I'm not an expert But there are a lot of questions and even even the stuff in the news and most of the stuff I've been reading has really been From the who the WHO I should keep calling it the who it sounds like a rock band the WHO the CDC John Hopkins universities are really good site It's just data and statistics and another one that's that's called world meter And then I've been looking, you know what pneumonia statistics and flu statistics and all the respiratory illnesses Back in history of other pandemics and things just to see You know what is going on and just it's very interesting And I'm not sure that I have a grasp on any positive Explanation other than what is what has been explained but there are a lot of questionable things and and the first one and then I'll get off Get off of this subject is that the test that's being used called the PCR test, which I've read at least a hundred articles about this test wasn't Designed to do what it's being that's used to being done. It was designed as a Research tool that is a diagnostic tool and Is being used diagnosed illness because it is rather quick compared to cell cultures which are slow and more expensive So the question of how many cases there really are in the asymmetric cases asymmetric I'm sorry asymptomatic cases Which is really what's caused the biggest panic is when we've been told that the asymptomatic cases can also be Transmit the other people are transmissible Well in previous epidemics of any kind people weren't Tested that had no symptoms. So this changes the data significantly from the other the other Diseases that have come along basically if you were sick you'd go in they test you you'd be hospitalized or sent home And that's how the cases were recorded This one's been different because tens and thousands of hundreds of thousands of people are going to be tested The only thing similar was kind of AIDS because people had been worried and they go in if they had multiple sexual sex partners And got tested and so this is the unique thing about the testing of this particular disease. Is it healthy? Apparently healthy people are going in to be tested and being told they have this genetic the viral RNA, which is what the test for and that is reported and And people then become aware or That there's there's all these cases out there and then people I guess agree to shut down to to Well, it creates a big number of cases that may necessarily not necessarily be harmful to anybody Right, and so that's the unique thing about this and as it turns out this this test does not really test for infectious Virus what it tests for is viral RNA That a little piece of matches up to what has been shown in a photograph of a of an electron microscope To be this viral RNA that can be infectious The only way to prove this infectious is still to then take that piece And and to purify and identify it And put it in a lab culture and do that but that's not being done because it takes too long So what they're doing is they kind of done a shortcut thing Using this PCR technology to say yes, it's possible That you may get this infectious disease that we've called SARS Cov2 And so that's kind of the initial big 19 right right, but it's called SARS Cov2 because the first one was called SARS Cov1 now This This then is maybe a form of SARS What is it's it's it's very similar to the one that happened in 2007 that really didn't affect you night I mean 2003 they're really didn't affect the United States a whole lot Yeah, I think it killed very few people here But it killed people in China and in the Far East, but it wasn't as big a deal It might have been 10,000 infections and a couple thousand killed but it certainly made the news and we were worried here that it would come here But it never really took hold it kind of disappeared. Yeah or anything happened Which was some people think will just happen to this but The SARS didn't just go away it the first one the first one yeah in 2003 and subsequently it was And the difference was that it was transmitted much less readily Although I think it's It's fatality right but similar but with suit it what it didn't just go away with suitable precautions It was made to disappear and and it really did totally There there are different obviously there are differences in the present disease the virus that we have It's only been around to our knowledge to scientist knowledge for six months So it's it's really remarkable how much has been learned about it in six months But there's still obviously as you point out Peter, you know a lot of unknowns So Researchers and others that they have to keep chipping away at it and you know When I said it went away. It wasn't cured. It just kind of went away, right? It's kind of a difference between right it wasn't magic, but it's just what happens is they things dilute and and like It's not as powerful and Italian doctors have already suggested that this one is also also diluted and the strains They're looking at now aren't as bad as what they were who knows it's you know The precautions that were used to suppress the transmission of the first SARS Very very similar to what have been used for this prison 19 the difficulty is that COVID-19 is a worse Presents worse challenges more difficult challenges So it's more difficult to reduce the prevalence of it to reduce the transmissibility And I mean what I'm talking about unknowns I think the biggest unknown really is the real details of how this thing gets transmitted from one person to another You know, we think we've we've isolated it and then it just sort of pops up Somewhere else it seems and you know and the tracing is not I suppose the tracing isn't in good enough Shape to be able to identify exactly the chain of of transmission to the people to the places where it apparently just pops up One comment about what he was saying I think he's he is as a layperson done this remarkable research and I think what he's trying to say is that it might not be as Prevalent well, it is prevalent. I guess but it might not be as dangerous as had been predicted But there's the second thing that I want to take issue with you a little bit and that is that There's been no other pandemic that has caused a world shutdown never in history. That's what I would guard as terribly Weird about this one. This one has collapsed the entire world economy Like my sister was saying, well, that happened in the Spanish flu. No, it didn't there were people who were quarantined in the Spanish flu There were people who churches were shut down in certain areas, but the economy wasn't collapsed Ever I don't think any nation has ever done that before I don't know. It's you know, there are we're talking about two related similar things, but there are differences But the 1918 flu sometimes called Spanish flu That I think it killed eight million people. No, so we're not we're not very young the global population was smaller at that time But it so, you know, there are clearly similarities. The economy was very different. So the Economy that's what I find so curious is that obviously the shutdown though has benefited Certain capitalist companies like big pharma like Amazon like other big internet companies Democratic Party right now, right? Not saying they're causing it, but it's Well, we won't go there I just want to know I can't in a way We can't go there because we don't have that evidence But we do see the real victims of this shutdown the real victims are small business and Ordinary people who have to work for a living Those are the real victims and also I would argue that the shutdown has damaged whatever left Whatever is left of a democracy in the first place, you know, as I've mentioned a million times Which mark will take issue with maybe is that City Hall is closed in other words the mayor is operating behind screens I don't know what he's doing Passing stuff shutting down streets. How can you even approach him? I don't even know where he is But anyway, those to me are the biggest but if you look at the economic victims the economic victims are small business and Ordinary working class and poor people largely again The real victims have been minorities of black people who are not able to work anymore And they're not able to work from home because that's not the kind of jobs. They've ever had and so I don't know Who's who why that happens? What I don't want to talk about this forever, but like I said every day I get up and I think that's something in my I'm at my mom's house in Delaware and she asked me a question today that I didn't know the answer to and I had looked up how many people died of the flu and pneumonia each year because What this virus is and I think I'm right is it's something that basically gives you a Deadly form of pneumonia that you die from. Yeah, that's what the first stars was described as so the virus gives you a pneumonia You die from the moon But she said well, how many people died of pneumonia, but I looked that up Then I looked up in 2019. How many people had symptoms of pneumonia and went to the house went to the doctor 30 million 500,000 people just in 2019 were hospitalized because of pneumonia and about 150,000 died So those are 30 million people in the US that had symptoms of pneumonia We've had six million that were asymptomatic 80% of them. So we've had maybe 800,000 with symptoms of COVID whereas last year we had 30 million with pneumonia and 30 million with the flu So there were 60 million people that has something like a fever or cold went to the doctor got diagnosed with either Pneumonia or the flu and about 10% of men that up in the hospital and about another 10% of those died. I Never realized there was that many people every year that had those illnesses to that point So when I look at the grand scheme of things once again, I'm not denying that something bad is happening But to Sandy's point Those are all Infectious also, but only symptomatic infectious I think the biggest difference is here is we've said that asymptomatic people Can give the other people the disease and that hasn't been proven anywhere I looked in every study I could find and there's these weird like maybes from China in Germany If you take all the asymptomatic people out you just have bad Maybe another bad flu or virus That a fraction of the people that have gotten sick from flu have gotten sick from and about the same percentage 10% are dying I'm not denying it's out there. I think the hype has been the biggest type ever And like like Sandy said what's happened here if we had just said if you have a fever or cold Stay home. Stay away from people. Don't go out. I wear a mask I don't care, but it's the panic over the asymptomatic thing and these diagnosis from the That's the test that are causing people to worry more than they should have in the past for other diseases. So, I mean Yeah, but the mobility and mortality is one thing. I'm not pretty bad I mean the COVID-19 has become one of the major killers in the United States and in other places What is it 140,000 or so as we speak? They're all fine. I have died But the but I'd like to go back to the economic impact You know potentially something can be done about that and and Congress is attempting to do something about that They've been at it for a while and they haven't come up as we speak anyway with a Plan that can be implemented. I mean that can be passed by both houses and and signed by the president and so but there these are the measures that within the power of our government to mitigate the The the bad consequences of the economic impact so So that's something that can be done when I I think it's It's it's quite striking that the Federal government has really been very slow. It was very fast to act with the first package But it's been extremely slow to act on the second package I suspect out of us false sense of optimism that you know Don't worry without me There's another solution also in at least to get back to where we were which was already a sorry State economically there is the plan to reopen which has been jettisoned over and over and over by a report that all these cases are spiking California's back into shutdown mode Other places are considering shutting down again What the I'll just say what I think is the problem with the eco with the economic recovery that Trump did do and That the Democrats approved and that the Republicans approved it was giving free money to people I'm not that wasn't me. I don't know enough economics, although I'm going to get an economic expert to tell me about it He was basically printing money and sending it to people. I was very grateful myself to get 1200 bucks in the mail That cannot go on and the biggest mistake that they made was for young people who had shitty jobs They were giving a young person like my grandson 600 bucks a week Extra over his unemployment benefits. Do you think he wanted to come back to work? Why so well, so what we're seeing in the drafts that are appearing in what in Washington, D.C. the main items that I've been aware of that affect people per individually are The 600 Dollars increase in unemployment benefits are really in question I mean I'd be unemployed seem to be the people who are most in need of the funds But what doesn't seem to be in question is now a 1200 per person hand out We got that last time and people do need it, of course they need it It was it like a benefit for tissue your social security, of course that that I think is more or less fair But I'll just tell you the effects of this 600 bucks a week extra beyond unemployment benefits The 600 bucks a week. I think that they're right What person would want to go back and that's what to work if they're given 2400 bucks a month I wouldn't mind getting 2400 bucks a month and the free money. They're not getting that little Yeah, average person is getting almost a thousand a week in Vermont. I know I know that so that's what I'm saying It's out two things which Mark will agree with is that first of all, everybody's underpaid Nobody will go back to work because this is more money than they've ever gotten Exactly, then nobody's paying people enough money to really survive in the states two or three employees that are working in places not in restaurants that I plague off with They say that nobody even comes in to apply for jobs and they have jobs available Right of this which it's a tough question. It's a really difficult question You know, what do you do cut off everybody's lifeline for some people need it so that some of the people that Kind of can go back to work will or do you just keep it going because I don't believe people getting a thousand dollars a week are going to That I mean they're gonna go back to work if Just ask a simple question would you know and I wouldn't either but I'm not that's that's wrong if I loved my job Yeah, right like right totally bored at home the answers. Yes. Okay. I love being a lawyer. So I'm at work Right, I go to work. I like being a lawyer. So I go to work But if I was working at some meat packing plant getting 600 bucks a week To do it into a burrito at some place you're not Exactly so that's what the Republicans are saying for better or for worse Ian. I mean I I Think they're being portrayed as being really lacking in humanity and generosity But I just wanted to talk about the effects of that and they're not probably willing to do it again That as far as I can tell this new bill is not going to include that it will still continue to have unemployment benefits though Which are about three quarters of your wages, I've been on unemployment I think it's about three quarters of your wages, which is enough to I suppose you eke along However, it does mean that you know, eventually you have to go to work or lose those unemployment benefits It's it's a cruel system. I'm not denying that at least There's no way that I would want to go back to work at most jobs in this stupid economy That's the effect of it is that on the other hand I think that the recovery plan is to get people back to work and to re-open the economy And that's what Cuomo's that's what some of the of the States and mayors are doing but they're not fully I'll just give you an example But I read in the New York Post today about New York City I mean like Cuomo says well, you can open a bar, but you have to do food Okay, and then he changes it says you had not only have to do food, but substantial food What the hell does that mean so a person who wants to reopen his bar? What is he supposed to he or she's supposed to do? Substantial food, I mean they've been ham made some places, which I think small businesses Which I think should reopen are not really being allowed to It's a very difficult question because you can't open it 50% Right and survive and you can't hire the people back that we're working there and survive and pay them So, you know, you're a restaurant. They're saying you can be 50% open So what I can hire half my employees back so the other half don't get money So, you know, and they can't even get they have to get their job back. I don't know It's a very difficult question Right, but there's also a lot of other questions that are on people's minds Again mark. I thought I wanted to talk about what's called quote cancellation culture Maybe he would like to explain what he means, but I was really shocked to this morning to see that there were increasing protests slash destruction of property riots in places that protests and What has been considered to be riots in a city like Austin, Texas? I have no clue what is going on in those cities I kind of know what's happening in Portland, but why Austin? What is the demand that's being made and And what is happening in a city like Austin that is causing these really big protests? It is alleged that they're destroying property. There are no federal agents there yet I have no clue. What's really going on at all and and I don't seem to to get any Real elucidation of anything from the press. So anyway, that's what I sort of was on my mind today Anybody else have any thoughts? Yeah I think what's going on in the three or four cities that are being talked about at the moment is actually going on in Potencia or potentially in 50 or a hundred cities in this country and What's going on is The ability of the population as a whole to understand That if they take to the streets that can mean something that understanding calls forth the exact Match from the military Militarized police who are readying for This to break out Nationally not just in the cities that are being talked about Trump's position with respect to it is Very very threatening Because he says he's got 40,000 people. He's ready to bring in just from the forces he controls In the in the collective of Homeland Security all the departments that are in there and that he feels that it is his right and Duty to bring in these federal agents into situations of civic unrest and So what's going on to me is a psychic phenomenon just not I mean not just You know who's who happens to be spray painting in Portland or Seattle or you know knocking down a fence And it's a Self-fulfilling prophecy of increased violence in the country as that as the population realizes its potential strength and the control You know this civic control military control realizes its role in preventing the Resurrected the surgeons of this strength of this popular strength And I think that's in that's what's going on Portland. It is about it about to be what's going on in Seattle It's funny on an Austin and the fact that it hasn't gone on in in Burlington is You know just that we really don't have critical mass for that here But in any larger city that can bring a bunch of people out into the street Everybody has something to demand Because the general treatment and the general economic structures that that are anti-supporting the population Are are similar nationally and that's what's going on And I don't think it's a good idea to you know analyze Portland Portland Seattle Seattle, Chicago, Chicago Chicago that it's all the same thing and it will break for but I still I kind of agree with you But I still don't know okay, so you take I mean these protests began with the George Floyd death and Therefore they began as anti-police rallies and by the way Let me mention something that did happen in Vermont if you were reading Vermont Digger Did you have you been reading about there was a bunch of white people apparently who got together in Montpelier? I'm a protesting pro-cop pro-police and they were greeted by anti- police demonstrators Black Lives Matter, I think who were kind of trying to out shout them and there was kind of a almost a physical confrontation and if you saw photo I love the photo of those Yeah, I like the photo except it was a bit scary so you have this white guy without a mask by the way and One of the black lives matter people standing almost touching noses You were with a mask and they were and I'm so I'm not sure that Vermont is going to be immune to this No, but but all I'm saying is that at the moment and what we'll probably see is these things achieving much more depth and You know mutual destructiveness right nationally right and it'll take the form of of the particular cities and the particular chiefs of police and all of that, but that's what's happening. It's a national Economic political Crisis yeah, yeah, I mean here's a possible explanation Which is that this country has become economically polarized, you know, they're more highly and that's a high degree of inequality there's a high degree of racial tension and and Inequality of opportunity for people of different skin color there A lot of things that people people are really upset about and So they go out in the streets now. What what is the response that we're seeing the response is one of not of of Escalating it's one of Really of divisiveness and and use of force use of tear gas Use of federal agents who don't really have the right training They're trained to stop people coming over the border or apprehend them there. They're not trying train for Civil unrest so what we're seeing as a response from those people who should be but you're about this and and Hoping to actually solve the problem is they're not working. They're not going in that direction. They're inflaming the problem Okay, the reason that I wanted to make a distinction between Portland and the Austin for instance is that I Think what you're saying Ian and please correct me if I'm wrong is that because of the protest I Guess you're assuming that the protests therefore are nonviolent Because of those protests Trump is taking advantage of those protests to send in federal agents And now the protests at least in Portland are against those federal agents But your argument is is that Trump? Escalated that by sending in those protests Different question Certain that it's not those all the protests are nonviolent and I want to remind you in of the Discussion we had on Thursday with Jack Linda who has a kid out in Portland The kid says there are two types of protests daily protests which are nonviolent during the day But then something weird happens at night All different bunch comes out and the different bunch at night are the ones that at least are being accused of I Don't know truthfully you're not a smashing windows of setting fires on the courthouse steps So I'm going to ask another question. Although I want to hear what mark has to say first Who are those protesters who are doing if it's true that kind of physical disrupt disruption physical violence at least There was a protester that was killed today, did you see that in Austin? The point is that there is no my point would be there's no single cause, you know, we can't point to one thing like Even inequality I mean inequality I suppose is the overall Theme to this but people are upset about a whole bunch of different issues and and some of them And their response is different some are going to protest Peacefully about the issue that they're concerned about and some are going to protest violently So, you know, no no no single explanation. No, I'm therefore no simple answers Okay mark, what were you gonna say? Well that the picture of this national protest and For varying reasons in each place is Now has now become part of Trump's Re-election strategy that what he is going to run on and It will run on and and his 43% will love it probably Is being a law and order? President in the midst of the war and he's in a double war Except the the war he what he was running on before Was to beat the virus or to first to deny it now to you know, send send the ventilators all over the world And be the the hero of ventilators, whatever it is the it that hasn't worked out for him and what he seems to be pivoting to is to be a law and order President over the the chaos of this country and In order to do that successfully electorally successfully the chaos has to continue and The face of the federal government the face of of the Services that are controlled by Trump need to be front and center and doing their thing Electorily Democratic electoral strategy I don't see it. I mean you if they had a strategy, they wouldn't run Biden But I know what their strategy is go ahead. Just shut up and let Trump talk It's it's doing he's doing all the right stuff right now. I mean, why would you why would you intervene right now? Why would you even present yourself? Why would you even go to a debate if you were Biden? Not to debate. Yeah, you wouldn't and he won't Well, I don't know that exactly My question is if Trump comes out as having recovered the economy as having reestablished law and order in the cities He's gonna win I want to know where the hell the Democrats. Okay. This is what I think bottom line I want to know who these protesters are Who are destroying property? It seems to me those protesters if they're doing that are calling in federal agents Me is really really dangerous. Let me make a brief comment about this because I have so we all know that in in times like this, there are Peaceful protesters. There are provocateurs in some right, right because we know who benefits from this and they're just People that are opportunists. Okay, and people are stupid, too Well, and so I like to compare this to Occupy Wall Street because so the question I have is is this gonna end the same way as Occupy Wall Street? They were violent violent horrible things They did the Occupy Wall Street protesters and that was a way more peaceful movement so far than this one was There wasn't much rioting and looting and burning of buildings that I can remember during Occupy Wall Street There isn't now, you know, there's a nice little John Oliver five-minute piece that I watched just before here which he Shows Hannity talking about what sounds like Apocalypse on Fox news and net and scrolling next to Hannity are these many many Places that need putting down right because of the violence But then it turns out when you look at the list that Most of the list is graffiti here graffiti there graffiti here and graffiti there and there are some fires But by and large the this remains and probably to great frustration of Trump It remains a peaceful movement You can see it even if you read the New York Post today Let me finish what I was gonna say about this though I think the other difference is back in 08 There was an economic downturn because of the big crash So there was a lot of mad people at the time and so they organized and they were mad and they were mad at Wall Street and things Right, but the difference now is it's another economic downturn, but it's way worse than back then and so Not only do you have more unemployed people? You have more pissed off people Everything is worse than it was in a way really the conditions are worse and there's more people who have nothing to do And they have money so they're getting sent money. So you got a person that's Kind of on the edge that like geez, you know, I always I should have protested this but back in 08 They might have still had their job and they were going to work and they had to go to work right now They don't even have to go to work and they're going you know what I didn't get the protest back then I'm going to go out and do this. So I think the opportunity for a better result I'm hoping will come out of that that there's more people who sat on the sidelines that might have been involved in the previous Thing that have come out now. So what is the demand? What is it? Yeah, what are these protesters looking to do? Equality in the economy and in equal rights, right? I mean Well, and no federal forces in their cities Are happening in cities without federal forces Because in the beginning that wasn't the original thing people The original demand was to defund the police if you all recall, right? No, the original demand was concerning racism, right if we if we think of this as starting with George Floyd Right, it was an anti-racist analysis of the racism in you know among white people admitting to the racism in their communities and being Both castigated and supported by the black community And so this was the big the big issue initially and then this was met And and it right away concerned violence unnecessary violence on the part of people who carry guns in this case This is the state of the city police, Milwaukee. So it's about yeah, yeah, Minnesota Where was it? It was it was in Minnesota. Minneapolis. I'm sorry. Yeah Yeah, so anyway, I Remember In other words, they did the exact thing the protesters were protesting about yeah, and and you know Relating back to to COVID, you know It's true that we've had these kind of let's just say path pathologic Tensions before how come it hasn't how come we haven't closed down the society? Well, one thing is the Society that we have now is way way worse as you were saying and way more vulnerable Into collapse and the psychological state of the people in it is way more agitated and feverish, right? So so, you know, it's not the same question about what happened and How come we haven't closed down before we haven't closed down because if it wasn't this we're about to close down Anyway from the collapse of capitalism Extended capitalism in words, right, right, but they co-lock they collided Anyway, but but getting back to the original. I think what we're discussing was the Protest in the cities city like Austin which resulted in a death last night Okay, I think we're approaching by the way the end of our time together So again, what I think is the same thing that happened in the cities in the 60s And that is you had protests, but you had people who were taking advantage of the peaceful largely non-peaceful protest to provoke the entrance of The police and now I think federal agents into the city and this is my worry That that might work and that Trump might very well send federal agents all over the place If the police in the cities are perceived as not being able to handle it, which was definitely true in Minneapolis And therefore are we facing a situation which could be martial law and that's what go ahead Pete Well, and the other thing is and I think this pertains is also you worry that the message will be diluted Which it kind of already has, you know, like we were just talking about what was the original message the original message was Racism has never gone away. It's as bad now as it ever has been in the United States And these people have been screwed excuse my expression for a long time and it's time to straighten it out Well now what's happened the part of the dilution of the message now is and I'm not against this is this anti-police thing So it's kind of shifted and it focused on something and it's moving away And then they have the violence that things are moving in a different direction And I'm worried that it's going to lose the original focus of the thing and people We could have gone into the toppling of statues and the artwork and all this other stuff Which to me is part of the isn't that part of the cancel culture Which I think some of it's a little overboard people just get all excited You know and they go up and rip a statue down to some guy who is actually a civil rights So the leader or so, you know, I mean there's just I said a lot of opportunities out there and that's always kind of dangerous that they they see a Chance and I worry that the message gets diluted at the refocus here Well, I worry what Trump's next steps are going to be if the violence against property, especially federal property Continues I really really I guess believe we were on the verge of A total lack of democracy and the election isn't going to be able to fix it at all But anyway, I think So The troops the feds not troops, but the feds. Let's call them Homeland security Unlabeled Unmarked car Nappers That those people are operating Way beyond the limits of the federal buildings that they're supposed to protect they're going out into the community And so they then represent a federal internal police force Right, right Couldn't agree with you more. I'm just asking to be to think about what the consequences very well Might be I'll tell you one thing maybe and then any any last comments is that the mayor of chicago last night Did everybody see her on her press conference? Her name is uh, lori. I think lightfoot Yes, a black woman who said we are not going to allow the federal agents into chicago And we will take every measure To prevent them from coming into chicago. I really wonder what unearthed she meant about that Is there going to be over? What is she going to do if they do? What can't she do? This is the very next crux Defying this situation Right, I agree. Anybody else have anything? Where are you in and all this and Well, really just that What troubles me mostly is that there's a lack of leadership You know ideally when the country faces multiple problems economic disease Uh protests in the streets People who who we've elected to represent us would come out and say Okay, let's sit down. Tell me what What we can do about this And instead what we're seeing is people in leadership roles digging in their heels and And saying this is what i'm going to do And i'm not going to listen to anybody else. I think we see that from from trump We see that from his attorney general william bar and uh the whole Unfortunately, we see it from the opposition In the democratic party, but they're not saying that in e and that sounds passive They're saying okay, and we're going to make it worse. Right exactly Are they gonna say we're gonna make it work the way we think it should work Is somebody telling trump to do this did somebody tell obama to quell occupy wall street or is it his I mean who's who's calling the shots here? I know that's a great question to end on So look at before we leave. I would like to say to you and to whatever audience we have That we'll be back in in a week from friday, which I don't know is is that the first week of august? at uh, well, we'll record this at 130 a week from this friday so that we don't have to do a million emails together And that I hope to be back on cctv also So thank you all for and especially thanks to ian for putting this all together. Okay, so ian and you're going to record this, right? Oh, absolutely All right, great and mark. Bye. See you later. Thank you. Thanks a lot, nanny. You're in the dark by the way You need more light Of course, I always do