 Good evening everyone. Thank you for joining us today at tonight's meeting of the public that's watching. Thank you very much to those here at the gallery. Thank you Alderman welcome. We will start off by asking our city clerk to read the quotation for the week. Thank you mayor What you do today will determine where you stand tomorrow if the roots are weak the tree will fall down You must create a small a strong foundation Thank you, madam. See clerk Call the 8th regular meeting of the common council to order. Please call the roll born Burke Serta Davis Graf Hanna Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Ryan Sushia Vanderweel and her hassled 16 present Quorum is present Next we have the Pledge of Allegiance Alderman Hanna, would you please lead us sir? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God and to the people with liberty and justice for all Thank you Alderman Hanna Through the minutes President Burke. Yes. Thank you run. I move to approve the minutes as entered on the record Motion is second to approve the minutes. Is there any discussion? There being none all those in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries minutes stand approved before we go to resignations I'd just like to give the public and the council a quick update with the storm That we just think thunderstorm that we just experienced I was informed by by mr. Bebo that everything is under control The first priority is to remove all trees and big branches off the street so we can have access for traffic and Emergency vehicles police and fire a Lot of the work that they're doing is simply moving trees and big branches to the side People need to be patient with us that all those will be removed tomorrow The massive moving of all or picking up of all that debris and trees and so forth will be done tomorrow tonight the effort is being concentrated on and Moving everything out of the way so we can have traffic again. There's about 200 He estimated 200 or 250 trees that are down. It's quite a bit. That's why I was a little Amused by the today's quote when we talk about a tree being uprooted So apparently some of those trees didn't have a strong foundation But we we lost some trees now our rule in the city is that when we lose trees we try to replace them as soon as possible so that the public needs to know because that's part of our tree planting program in public works and We will have updates on the radio and the newspaper tomorrow as needed But for now everything is under control. I've been assured the public should be at ease that we are moving on it and taking care of business Thank you very much Attorney McLean Resignations thank your honor. There's a letter from Cleo messener advising that due to scheduling conflict She's resigning from the historic preservation Commission I'd ask Motion to confirm Oh Any discussion on that all those in favor say aye You oppose motion cares resignation accepted And as far as appointments these were brought in at the last meeting to the city county shared service committee Terry Katzman non-voting Gary Maples non-voting Greg Wegman non-voting Terms expiring 430 07 signed by the mayor. I'm sorry. They were just being brought into these are going to lie over But let me explain quickly what happened the city county shared services committee voted to appoint three Business advisors to be Non-voting members of the committee what they will do is provide valuable input from a business standpoint to the city shared services committee That's all they will be doing. Please rely over Carolin 14 to be considered for appointment to the joint municipal court advisory committee as an ex official member to fill the Unexpired term of Mary bird Carter's term expires 430 08 and these will also lie over Thank You attorney McLean Public forum Madam city clerk First on the list is rosemary talon is rosemary here Rosemary do you want to give me your home address, please home address is 16.05 north 12th Street north 12th And you will have five minutes. Thank you mayor Perez Members of the Common Council Thank you for the opportunity to address you this evening I Want to comment One moment on the turmoil and the conflict that has been taking place in this town over the last few months I do have to report to you that there has been a positive side to it Because there are a lot of community members who didn't even know who their older person was a year ago And they have made the effort to find that out To get involved in the activities of this city government to find out what is going on locally That's a positive thing as far as I'm concerned. I Would also like to thank all the persons Serta Ryan Kittleson and Hannah for having the courage to vote no on the 23rd Street issue In hopes of having the chance to make an unbiased comparison to the Evander bar property I truly believed that the Common Council would look at both of those sites Hopefully by having both sites on the table, they would have had a little more leverage with the county in dealing with the 23rd Street site Needless to say I was surprised and I was disappointed that the vote had very little discussion and went ahead as it did My greatest fear right now is for the design of the police station regardless of what site it goes on an Architectural firm with a great deal of experience has been retained and I'm not sure why I Have already heard designs ideas coming from all the persons whose one goal is to cut costs now cutting costs is important But it cannot be at the cost of sacrifice to the police department If we are already talking about losing a dispatch center, we're already talking about losing garage facilities We're talking about a slab on grade At the 23rd Street site and frankly if you really want to cut costs and go cheap Then you can go a double-wide trailer for the police department and just bring in some pods to sit next door To store the evidence in and don't take that seriously because I do not mean it that way The mayor and the Common Council are charged with fiscal responsibility Which means providing the community with the greatest possible facilities at a reasonable Responsible cost not just cheap This police center needs to be designed for future generations Not just for the current populations and it's ironic that we're talking about the roots are weak The tree falls down you must create a strong foundation We are building a police center for 50 years from now for our children for our grandchildren for a Common Council That will be sitting here probably in this room And it's going to have to deal with problems if this facility is not built correctly now You must build for the future and I believe you need to look at building a dispatch center Regardless of what the feasibility study says you need to plan on that We're talking about a groundbreaking when we don't have a police station designed We don't have a site pick, but we have the groundbreaking Hopefully set and I think that's a little backwards I think you need to look at what we can afford what you're going to design where you're going to put it and Then where it's going to be when it's going to be built. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you Next would be Mike Kepler Mike can you give me your home address, please 2533 Lakeshore Drive? No trees down in front of my house You'll have five minutes sir. Good evening on May 1st I appeared before this Common Council as I am on this state in behalf of the Swin County Taxpayers Alliance. I Would like to please give a quick review from our perspective of the progress of the issues we presented on May 1 a Copy of those issues was placed on your desks for your convenience Although it does have today's date on it We feel progress is being made be a due to our humble request or from the request of others or a combination thereof First of all committee of the whole we thank the Common Council and the mayor We're starting to meet on a regular basis the significance of this will continue to evolve shared services and costs The shared services committee started meeting after a one and a half year hiatus Thank you. In fact as a result of that first meeting a resolution has been presented I'm told regarding joint dispatch Since information never hurt anyone we suggest the council support this resolution So you can digest and debate the proposed study so that the entire council can make an informed educated decision outsourcing of services It is our understanding that while there has been some thought and discussion regarding the issue We feel that this issue should be a priority Especially now with the scheduling of the next budget planning at hand staffing issues Progress has been initiated with the forming of the Renumeration Committee To look at city wages and benefits compared to the private sector In addition changing a part-time municipal court clerk from a high peeing job grade five to a more suitable job grade three Is going to save the taxpayers money without reducing the level of service Although much more attention needs to be given to staffing issues. We thank the mayor and the Common Council for the progress to date Finally and very important to us stormwater fee Progress is being made in the form of a resolution before you tonight to repeal the stormwater fee We ask that this resolution be sent to the appropriate committee for full discussion and citizen input The resolution is great. It tells us that the Common Council is willing to analyze this program To determine if the city is getting what we expected and intended Now after observing this Common Council and the Committee of the whole and the various standing committees overall It looks like the Common Council is clicking Discussion and debate is centered on issues and personal differences differences are not evident Cooperation between the mayor and the Common Council also seems positive. This will move the city of Sheboygan in the right direction. Thank you Thank you Next on the list would be Jeff Schucho Jeff, can I have your home address, please? 2303 South 17th Street Okay, and you will have five minutes, sir. Thank you. I have a video here. I Wanted to show everyone. This is something that I've been accumulating for the last three weeks now But before I get going I wanted to wish everyone a good evening your honor council members and citizens Not long after the gulls were moved out of Washington Square adjacent buildings and the industrial park The birds were found to be relocated on our beach fronts in subsequent Mornings the birds were found to be roosting before the airwives even came into our shores The new $90,000 beach groomers been observed Set up and operated no more effectively than the old one The east side of Blue Harbor's roof has already been badly stained and if left uncleaned will result in substantial cost to repair Dogs continue to be run on Dilan Park Beach Blue Harbor Beach and Kings Park Beach The large flocks of birds are contaminating the above mentioned beach area of sand Multiple yellow flag beach water warnings have already been posted along with a red flag beach closed at the land park this summer visitors to Blue Harbor Beach Have been seen driven back up off the beach by large flocks of birds And the droppings which are all over a Grant form for municipalities was given to our mayor and I requested help in expediting a grant application through senator liveham. I Emphasized to him the negative effects to our tourism already With the substantial investment in Blue Harbor with taxpayer money. This entire situation needs to be rectified immediately If left unchecked these birds will be back next year To nest on our beaches What can be done? Well birds will as of now need to be kept out of the city city parks school fields industrial parts holding ponds and beaches within the city limits This includes all open flat rooftops Requirements and until now would be seen as labor-intensive a simple industrial park can take four full-time employees Two years with no guarantee. They won't come back My company can guarantee exclusion of birds from all areas of the city and at far less cost than ever before possible Also proper setup of groomers and training of operators can also be provided by myself Cleaning the roof at Blue Harbor. I could also Handle seeing as I used to do those sort of things in my in my former trade as a state indentured mill right and I did also provide to the council members and Your honor and the city attorney a little photo documentary of what's going on Which I had passed out before the meeting started Rather than take up any more of your time I don't know if we already went past the park which showed Blue Harbor roof, but these Shots I were taken actually Some early in the morning, but most of them were taken in mid-afternoon Where you can see beach comers out on the beach When the beaches are busier and by then actually there are fewer numbers of birds Congregating on the beaches at this time early in the mornings is when the damage is really being done because I am I'm taking head counts of eight to ten thousand birds on these beaches in early morning when they come in off the lake just before the crack of light and In lieu of these activities down there. I I also wanted to to thank the police department for the Boy, fantastically Immediate response that I received when I ran into a little problem with an out-of-town visitor down there That was shooting off fireworks and He didn't appreciate what I had to say about that and he started shooting fireworks at me And I informed the police department and their response was was fantastic it was immediately and very thorough Aside from that the beaches that you're observing right now This one I believe is immediately in front of Blue Harbor Beach Dilan Park Beach is About in the in the same situation and unfortunately the blue railings along here that you're seeing now I've just noticed the morning this morning the birds are starting now to congregate and move back up the river into the city They're being drawn in there, of course by the ill wives which last year when I volunteered to help control this situation We pretty much avoided all this because I was able to drive the birds out of the area And what I would have in mind doing is moving them north of town Just north of the Pigeon River out of the city limits and have them join another colony excuse me Jeff That's existing there your five minutes or up. Do you need an extra little bit of time actually? No, but if anyone would would like to view these photos, I'd be happy to provide them I have about 1500 photographs another documentation. Thank you. Thank you Next on our list would be Vicki Hall Vicki, can I have your home address, please? It's 925 North 4th Street North 4th And you will have five minutes closer Thank you. You're welcome Mayor Perez members of the Common Council. Thank you for giving me this opportunity to talk tonight As a representative of friends of Sheboygan's parks I am here tonight to thank you and thank the city for the wonderful 4th of July events at so many of our cities excellent parks I've lived here in Sheboygan for about 14 years and in that time I think that this event was the best 4th we've ever had It seems like Sheboygan has truly become a destination city for the 4th and I commend you all for making this a truly spectacular day one of those events or one of the events was 4th Fest and It was at Sheridan Park in which the friends of Sheboygan's parks participated in the fun with lots of volunteers to help out This family-centered event had pony rides a slide rock climbing structure bounce house petting zoo and a food booth from the Friends Group and great music from Judy stock and high-tech sounds that day. I volunteered my time from 1 to 5 p.m Seeing so many families from across the street to across town flocked to this family-friendly event and Having a really fun time was immensely gratifying to me and my co-workers To us 4th Fest was a huge success and we would like to extend our deepest Thanks to Susan hard of the mayor's office who did an outstanding job pulling so much of this day together Mayor Perez and the common council for your vision of a city in celebration and Paul Meyer and our city staff for their work at all the park events And finally my personal and heartfelt thanks goes to our great volunteers and donors. Thank you so much I hope that Sheboygan continues to collaborate in great 4th events Already Sheboygan is gaining a great reputation as a great place by a great lake To spend the day for our residents and guests. Thank you And last on the list would be Lee Montemay or And Lee can I have your home address please 1015 Logan and you will have five minutes or thank you Thank you madam city clerk Richards and Mayor Perez and this council for allowing me the time to express my views I would like to thank all the citizens of this shmoygan for making this long-awaited dedication of the law among American Memorial a great and Deserve and successful event our city made a great impression to all the veterans and distinguished guests who travel great distances To attend this a dedication Our city Made a great impression on these people With our friendliness the clean city Lake Michigan and the rousin appreciation Our community gave to these soldiers and their families who sacrificed so much during the Vietnam War We will forever honor and respect our friends brothers sisters sons fathers and mothers For the greatest sacrifice the given of life for another human's need The ultimate sacrifice of life's loss in this turbo war will forever be remembered in our city To those young men and women and their families. I say thank you I would also like to thank mr. Ray Hernandez and all the numerous other individuals that were involved with this project For their great leadership in making this dream of a memorial to honor our comrades of reality Thanks also to all the organizations business leaders and all the shmoygan citizens and the volunteers for this support of this project This great effort makes me very proud to be a shmoygan Thank you once again Thank you. Thank you I Would like to thank all the citizens who addressed the council tonight and Invite anyone to all to feel free to Address the council at any time Next item on the agenda be a notice a notice of a public hearing on the vacation and this Continuance of an unpaved alley between Maryland Avenue and Illinois Avenue and west of South 17th Street Is there anyone that would like to address the council? Is there anyone that would like to address the council with respect to this hearing notice? Is there anyone? President Burke. Thank you. I moved to close the hearing Motion and second to close notice of hearing. Is there any discussion on that? There being not all those in favor of state. I any opposed Motion carries. Thank you Next we have a a hearing a hearing to amend the zoning of property located at 1804 Martin Avenue from class urban commercial to class urban industrial classification Is there anyone that would like to address the council? Is there anyone that would like to address the council? Is there anyone that would like to address the council president bird? hearing Motion and second to close here in any discussion There being none all those in favor say aye. I any opposed motion carries hearing is closed Consent agenda present birth. Thank you. You're on. I move to approve and adopt all our C's approve and file all our O's and put All general ordinance is about their passage. Thank you president bird. Would you mind not including 8-4 which will lie over correct? Okay, not to include 8-4 which will I thank you. Is it okay with you all vice president sir? Okay, so we have a motion to on the consent eight eight one through eight twenty one excluding eight four under discussion Old man graph Thank you your honor. I I'd like to pull Eight nine and have a separate vote on that please. I'm sorry what eight nine eight nine for a separate vote, please Eight nine is being pulled for a separate vote. You're gonna make a motion. I would move that the RC it'd be accepted and adopted Motion second to accept and adopt the RC under discussion only eight nine for a separate vote There being none you want to roll call All those in favor say aye any opposed Upstain one abstention All men grab Motion carries now. We will take a vote on Everything else except eight nine and eight four which will lie over please call the roll Burke Serta Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel Rehastled and boring 16 eyes motion carries Communication and petitions communications and petition 822 through 825 to be referred Report of officers to 826 to 836 to be referred Resolutions introduced three eight thirty seven By Alderman Meyer except in it except in the warranty warrant deed from Lee Realty of Sheboygan Incorporation for a retention pond property in the settlement at Lost Creek Alderman Meyer Who'd ask that this resolution be put upon its passage Motion second put the resolution upon its passage under discussion There being none all those in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries 838 by Alderman Montemay or authorizing the mayor to execute a request to rezone certain city own property Alderman Montemay or thank you your honor. I move the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion there being none, please call the roll Serta Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel Rehassled boron and burr 16 eyes motion carries 839 by Alderman Ratke granting the Liars Club permission to sell Alcoholic beverages upon city property Alderman Ratke. We need a motion to suspend first. Thank you, your honor I would make a motion to suspend the rules Motion and second is there any objection to that? Please continue your honor. Could I take age 40 right along with it? The same thing just to both at the same time Is there any objection to spend in age 40 also none please continue thank you, your honor I would move that the resolution you put upon their passage Motion and second to put resolution 839 and 840 upon their passage under discussion There being none, please call the roll Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel Rehassled Warren burr and Serta 16 eyes Motion carries 841 by Alderman Susha graph and Vander wheel adding three business persons as non-voting members to the city county Shared Services Committee Alderman Susha Thank you, your honor. I move that this resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion Alderman Kittleson Thank you, your honor. I just would like to clarify. Why are we putting the business persons on as non-voting members? Why why are we doing that? Alderman Susha you have a response for that. Yes Thank you for asking that question because we did discuss this in depth in the committee And what we decided is that what it comes down to is that if the county wanted the city to do something and the three business People sided with the county and the three city voting members decided We didn't want to do something Technically the county and the three business leaders could try to push us into doing something that the city's not comfortable with or vice versa And we decided that we need buy-in and all the decisions And it would probably be better to have a tie vote if the three county people would vote yes on an issue in the three city vote No, that would probably be a better situation because we're not going to be able to force one side to do something That they don't want to do but we did feel that we needed a business perspective And that they would be able to contribute to some of the decisions We have to make and that's why we want their expertise on the committee and hopefully that answers your question I was at the I was present at that meeting on McKittleson the discussion was very good It went back and forth and ultimately both county and city agreed that that was the best way to do it So it was also there were everybody was satisfied. Yes all of them Hannah Thank You mayor I Also had questioned why were they non-voting because I think they're three excellent individuals and I hope that even though they're Non-voting participants. I hope that you you weigh their opinions carefully because I think they bring an awful lot to the table Thank you all man. Hannah. They the three individuals were very willing to serve and all like and very excited. So I tell you that Anything else Okay on 841 please call roll graph Hannah Kittleson Clay Unis Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderweel Verhaselt Boran Berg Serta and Davis 16 eyes motion carries 842 by Alderman Susha graph and Vanderweel for a feasibility study for a joint emergency Communication Center between the city of Sheboygan and Sheboygan County Alderman Susha Thank you your honor. I move that this resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion in the second under discussion. Thank you your honor I just want to emphasize that this is a feasibility study only No decisions have been made other than we're looking for some information So I'd ask that the alderman pass this tonight so we can get the information we need so we can move forward. Thank you Vice president Serta Thank you your honor. I'd actually like to make a motion to this resolution I'm sorry. What I'd like to make a motion to this resolution to amend my amendment. Okay, I'll start to amend this resolution Under the second paragraph adds Whereas the city of Sheboygan through the shared services committee should conduct its own feasibility study outlining how they could potentially Provide emergency dispatch services for the county There's a motion Okay, can somebody turn that other one off, please you're gonna have to suffer a little bit here Excuse me. Oh vice president sir There we go. Thank you. Okay to insert under the second paragraph Whereas the city of Sheboygan through the shared services committee should conduct its own feasibility study Outlining how they could potentially provide emergency dispatch services for the county There is a motion to amend. Is there a second? second under discussion on Vice president Serta, thank you your honor I think if we're gonna look at this issue earnestly and ask the county to Utilize its resources their time their staff to conduct a feasibility study I think we should also do it the same that way we can give a fair comparison who could provide the best service Thank you. I'll miss her to all the men that are real Thank you, honor under discussion on the amendment If I understand it right, I think it's a good idea because it seems like we're asking the county to take over For the county to do more and we're not saying oh, yeah, okay, but we'll do this So I think this way we're kind of helping out the county and saying we could do it for this and You can do it for this so which is the better deal I'll vote in favor of them Thank you Thank you, your honor Being on the shared services committee, and I know I mean Vander wheelie is also But I'm under the impression that when we put this together we were thinking and looking at both ways not only Dispatch, but the other things that were mentioned at the at the committee was also always going to be a given take You know, maybe we'd be better at doing something and the county would be better at doing something and part of the committee would Part of this study would involve who is best equipped to do it and who could do it at the at the least cost of the taxpayers So I I'm I'm not sure that this amendment amendment is necessary, but I'm I'll think about it at this time And then all of my graph has a good point The county's approach to this thing and I think they were patient and no offense on past history Is that if they were to initiate any type of study? And it wasn't backed by the council and the former resolution and it didn't carry any weight And they just simply were not going to put any time and effort into doing anything like that unless it had to back in of the City and that's where it stood on my understanding. I was present at that meeting to all of them Vander wheel you were too is that this Resolution covers that Okay, it covers the city and the county side and it's going to be a back-and-forth type of thing But the city was willing to look at it. The county wasn't unless this council showed some Some stronger showed a stronger position by actually passing a resolution. So that's where it was alderman Ryan Thank You mr. Mayor I Agree that if that is the intention, however, I think it should be put in in writing in this the way this reads it reads that They being the county could potentially provide emergency dispatch services for the city It doesn't say anything about the city potentially providing dispatch services for the county I believe that shared services is necessary. It's a great thing It needs to happen However, I believe shared services is indeed shared services where the the city and the county both share services Not that the county is just Takes over providing services for the city. So I agree with the amendment by Alderperson Serta. Thank you Thank you alderman Ryan We've got a lot of lights a bit of blinking all in kittleson. Thank you mr. Mayor I just want to agree. I agree. I think we should make this crystal clear that The city needs to look at this also and how you know we benefit us as opposed to the county So I would support that amendment just to keep it very very clear. Thank you. Thank you I'll make it old man present bird. Yes. Thank you And I think I also agree with the fact that we need to be flexible and looking at who can best deliver services And then cost out, you know the portion of cost I the to look at the structure of Alderman Serta's amendment, I wonder if we could achieve the same thing by basically Changing the resolution to indicate that the mayor is authorized and directed to contact sheboygan county We request information for this feasibility study, which includes structure costs and other person and information from sheboygan county to Potentially develop rather than provide emergency dispatch Services with the city of sheboygan that seems to put us more on a collegial basis Rather than having a study just with the city doing it and with this with the county doing it I'm wondering if that would meet with Alderman Serta's approval We have all one month of my own next Thank You your honor This document seems as though it's a boat of sincerity on our part to actually Consider what the information that the county comes up with now? Alderman Berg's words That those few changes sort of made sense that the county would still know that we're sincere rather than Guessing that maybe they we don't mean what we say and they don't mean what we say I think we have to show the county that yes, we actually do want some true information Thank you all in my order all in a sushi. Did you wish to speak? Yes? Thank you your honor Actually, the this resolution was written pretty much to reflect the discussion that we had in the shared service Committee and quite honestly that the county isn't real happy with the city these days because of things that have happened in the past And they asked us to draft this document to show our sincerity that we are truly willing to work with them All we're doing here is obtaining information We can get it on the city side I'm speaking we can obtain the information from the city We can obtain the information from the county and it can all come back to the committee We're just obtaining information here I think that it's pretty clear what the committee is requesting and I really don't think this is a big enough issue to upset The county by adding an amendment to change what the committee is requesting So I would suggest that we vote down the amendment, but yet we pass this resolution to obtain the information Thank you all in a sushi Alderman sir. Are you are next? Thank you, your honor I Don't foresee that my amendment is upsetting the county We are still being earnest and exploring what this document says that we're going to be working with the county to address older person Bergs His suggested amendments just changing the word provide to develop and for and with doesn't necessarily Grant us the city to again be looking at our own feasibility study So I would Not be in agreement with just making those specific changes. I think I can give the same argument that again This is just requesting information. We're going to be doing this ourselves I don't think that's going to jeopardize our relationship with the county Thank you all and sir and again I think the point that all of the sushi is making is that if you were if you had been at the meeting You would have understood the context and the substance of the discussion that was going on and that's all All right, Hannah you're next sir Thank you there. I kind of like the suggestion of changing to develop and With I just like the tone of that. I certainly understand That we need to develop credibility with the county and I'm sensitive to that and I could live with some minor changes Thank you, all of them on to my order you're next second time. Thank you, your honor. I Think we should keep this as pure and clean as it is Perhaps if Alderman Serta wants to bring in a future resolution asking for feasibility study on the part of the city Maybe we could consider that Thank you all of them across Second thank you, your honor I'm going to try and see if Alderman Serta will agree with with this going down to the therefore be it resolved paragraph That the mayor is authorized and directed to contact Sheboyin County and request information for this feasibility study which includes the structure clause another pertinent Information for Sheboyin County to potentially provide emergency dispatch services for the city of Sheboyin or For the city of Sheboyin to provide emergency dispatch services for the county for Sheboyin County Would would that suffice? Alderman Groth, thank you I'll allow Vice President Serta. Would you like to respond to that? I Guess my question would be how does that change? What I was asking for I guess what you're doing is you're putting the control in the county's hands to tell us What's best for them in terms of us providing them their service? We need to put ourselves first and foremost and I think by putting my amendment in here Again, we're taking a leadership role a proactive role from the city standpoint and again I don't foresee us jeopardizing our relationship with the county We're just providing the information the same argument which is being used to support this resolution Alderman Ryan second time Thank You your honor To keep this this resolution as it is right now The way I interpret this in the way I think anybody would interpret this to read it is that the the county will provide study If if it was if I was providing the study and it's to my advantage to be That person that would take over that organization that would take over dispatch services I believe my study would say that it is in the interest of the city of Sheboyin to give the dispatch services to the county therefore, I believe that that there needs to be a a Study that is done looking at the interests of both the city and the county with with an unbiased Opinion going into it if the county does the study the county is going to come up with the conclusion almost guaranteed that the It is best for the city to have the county do dispatch services They would be foolish not to Therefore, I I do believe that we have to have something in here that it also needs to be explored that the If it would be feasible or better more economical Etc for the city to provide the same service for the county. Thank you Again, it's very difficult to understand the substance in the context of which that Resolution was drafted if you weren't at the meeting so and I appreciate your comments And they're well-intended and certainly well-taken But all the county was asking is if you want us to even consider Telling you what we could do for you at what cost and what would be involved. We need council approval We need a resolution telling us we have voted as a council and I think Alvin van der Wilk remembers that It's all they wanted They don't want to look at it unless we do that. It's nothing about control. It's nothing about turf war The council will still be free to say no No control. There's no control issue here because when it comes back and they say, okay, here's what we can do Here's what the county can do for you. The council will look at it and say yes or say no. Thank you very much We're gonna move on that's the only issue that was before there's nothing There's no issue of control or who's gonna control this or that turf or anything like that all they wanted to do is if the council shows us By a resolution that they're one us to look into it That tells them that council is more serious than it's ever been before To look at something and spend time and effort and then they get back to us and you free to vote it down or not That's all it was I have no objection to anything else if you want to add I mean if you wanted to start this whole resolution into pieces, that's fine, but it's that's all it was Again Is there a second to that? second and We have a call to the question. Yep. This would be on the amendment and it reads To add to After the second paragraph It would read whereas the city of Sheboygan through the shared services committee should conduct its own feasibility study Outlining how they could potentially provide emergency dispatch services for the county Before we call the water just ask No offense to all of us there to when the mayor is talking please let him finish talking before you interrupt And I would ask that same courtesy to be extended to alderman If we're going to call make motions to let it let the alderman finish. Please call the roll Hannah Kittleson Clowness no Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vanderweel for hassled Boran Berg Serta Davis and Graf Four eyes 12 nose motion fills We have the original motion as red 8 842 Please call the roll Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Susha Vanderweel for hassled Boran Berg Serta Davis Graf and Hannah 13 eyes 3 nose motion carries 843 to 845 lies over 846 to 850 to be referred And Believe president Berg would like to call one upon its passage president Berg Yes, thank you, and I like to call 849 forward for passage rather than referral for public information of which you proceed please do that This relates to establishing pet friendly areas in city parks within the city of Sheboygan Yes, I move that the resolution be placed upon its passage Motion a second under discussion. Yes under discussion. Thank you and this this resolution is A Fisher cut bait resolution that either we are going to approve The current standard of not allowing pets and parks or we direct the parks and recreation and forestry Committee to look closely at establishing pet friendly areas and parks Resolution reads that the park and forestry commission review the experience of other communities that have established pet friendly areas and develop a plan That will allow families to recreate with their pets at locations that are geographically convenient and will minimize the impact on those Individuals not wishing contact with such animals. This came about as a result of the last committee of the whole meeting We're rather than taking our parks park by parking making a decision. Should we allow pets to Be in parks on leash or not on leash. I feel it's important rather than This deliberative body deal with that to put this to a committee Have them take a look at it and then come back to the council if the council so approves of allowing pets and parks And at that point in time it reaches a threshold of public discussion regarding the various areas that they would recommend Thank you. Thank you President Berg. Oh McGrath Thank you your honor, but I need to pull something else forward Or suspends something we let's let's take a vote on the 849. Are you thinking of 844? Please? We'll take that one after this one. Let's let the president Berg handle the 849 under discussion 849 still Paul and Hannah Thank You your honor. I just think that this is positive proactive move. I mean, it's time to I hear lots of feedback from my constituents They just want this Analyzed and debated in earnest and to move forward I think it's a positive for the community and I think it could be done in a well-balanced control way That those that are pet lovers will be happy and those that are not comfortable around animals can be happy, too Thank you. I'm Hannah Alderman Meyer Thank you your honor. I just wanted to also express those views I have a lot of constituents that are concerned about the parks and where they can walk their dogs and I Know a lot of people are concerned about dogs biting and making messes And I think if we do look at other communities and find out what is working for them I'm sure we can implement that here in Sheboygan Thank you. I'll remember Hassler Thank You your honor having been chairman of the Park and Forestry Commission for the last year prior to being an alderman I've been exposed to a lot of information on this dog in the park issue and so on dogs in friendly areas and With all of that information my position has evolved somewhat from let's keep them away from the general public today Maybe we could spare a few parks on the north south side Maybe one in the middle to maybe three parks, but at least a park or two. So That's where I stand today, and I think the Park Commission has a As a situation in front of them an opportunity Thank you alderman Alderman Ryan next Thank You your honor I too agree that we should have dogs in Multiple parks not entirely not not exactly the entire Park, you know certain areas of certain parks. There are people that frankly don't like animals There's some children that are afraid of animals. So you can't you know, we're not we're not talking about letting the dogs run Run wild we just should have multiple locations that if you want to walk your dog out of your Condominium or your apartment your home that you can walk to a park rather than throwing phyto in the trunk and having to bring them 15 miles away in order to find the park. Thank you. Thank you. All right alderman Vander wheel Thank you honor This has been an issue that I've been dealing with off and on with with citizens for since I became alderman for going up five years now and Every time we we try to do something for the dogs. It's like running uphill. It's the hardest thing and everybody's against it You got a few people for it. We just need to pick two parks one north side one the south side and allow pets because Sometimes it seems like we forget that dog owners are taxpayers too and and people really want to be able to take their Dogs to a park. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Vander wheel alderman Ratke Thank You your honor. It's time. We put this thing to bed. It's it's getting to the point of being ridiculous We're in a growing community here. We're bringing people in we're getting with the industrial base that we once had we're going to more professional tourism type of Situation one park on the south side one park in the north side What could is that do me when I want to walk my dog in my neighborhood and see you know the local park that you know The taxpayers are paying for I have to pay a license to have my dogs And I don't want to put my dog in the car you drive past these parks on a regular basis There's people running dogs these parks anyway And by the time you call the police department they get out there they're gone So it doesn't pay to call the police. I mean, but they're out there anyway, and we need to do something We can't just limit to one or two parks in the city We need to be fair and open it up to the neighborhood parks certain areas not the whole parks But for example, we've got large parks that you know areas of the parks aren't used away from the playground areas There's just big fields. What's wrong with using those big fields people are doing it now already We need to get the get on the boat here and start moving forward with this because this city Needs to move forward and cater to the people that we're trying to attract here not trying to you know Send them away because we're not gonna Have the ability for them to walk their pets in this city. Thank you There being no more please call the roll Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled boron Berg Serta Davis graph Hannah and Kittleson 16 eyes motion carries. We're gonna back up a little bit here to 844 almond graph Thank you, Your Honor. I would like to pull this document forward Okay, we proceed And then I would like to write me I should pull it back right but anyhow, I'd ask for suspension of the rules Please motion and second to the span is there any objection to suspended? Please continue then under um, I Would move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion second to put resolution 844 by almond graph Hannah clay you know Susha and boron authorizing the transfer of Appropriations in the oh six budget upon its passage. Please continue under discussion your honor This is for the new Walmart project And it will be reimbursed to the city by Walmart But the city development office asked that this could be processed tonight so that they can get started at it right away tomorrow morning So that's the reason for suspension and why it needs to be passed. Thank you almond graph any more discussion There being none, please call the roll Manny Myer Montemayor Ratty Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled boron Serda Davis graph Hannah Kittleson and client is 16 eyes motion carries report of committee's six eight 51 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage beverage operators license number 71 44 based upon failure to cooperate with the committee and for having violations related to the license activity alderman Ratke Thank You your honor. I ask that the report of committee be accepted and adoptive Motion second to accept and adopt under discussion under discussion. It's Kaila gosh Kaila Garcia here this evening She's not here this evening your honor. Thank you very much any other discussion There being none, please call the roll Meyer Montemayor Ratke Ryan Susha Vander wheel for hassled boron Berg Serda Davis graph Hannah Kittleson client is and Manny 16 eyes Motion carries 852 by public protection and safety recommended filing documents submit a communication from Mike Muth stating that he is in support of creating a dead-end On 21st Street at the intersection of 21st and Calumet Drive and approving the dead yet the dead and Alderman Vander wheel Thank You honor. I make a motion to Senator for a committee to accept and adopt Motion and second to accept and adopt under discussion under discussion Public Works Agreed with this the public protection safety agreed with this and we're not going to vacate the street We're just going to make a dead-end and keep the right away Thank you all of them and I will all of them on Susha Thank You your honor As most of you will remember the last time this issue came up I did quite an extensive accident analysis and I shared it with those of you that were on the council at that time I'm not going to get into that tonight the comments I do make here tonight are intended to inform my Constituents as to why I'm going to vote it vote against permanently closing north 21st Street As I've said before the police Sheboygan police department is doing a great job fighting crime And I'm proud to say that the Sheboygan area was ranked the fifth safest community in the United States of America last year That is something to be very proud of just because I disagree with one accident analysis and The reason it was done Doesn't mean that I think the police aren't collectively doing a great job. They truly are To give you some background on my past experience I spent over 15 years Reviewing technical data that was printed in medical journey journals during my career with a pharmaceutical company When you're looking at studies, you're looking for the parameters that would lead you to believe It's a good study as if that is a study is randomized double-blinded placebo control Multicentered studies. These are the ones that get printed in journals. That's what I'm used to dealing with high quality information One of the parameters that is just a given is that the time frames when you're doing a comparative study They must be equal To give you an example if you were to compare aspirin to ibuprofen You couldn't reach a valid conclusion about side effects if you studied one medication for several years and compared it to the other Medication that was only studied for a few months When you look at 21st Street in Sheboygan, you cannot reach a valid conclusion Conclusion if you look at 29 months of data when the road was open and compare it to seven months of data When the road was closed, it's a very misleading statement When people are told that there were 26 26 accidents when the road was open and it was reduced to zero accidents when the road was closed a More accurate way of looking at this information is that if you were to state the number of accidents that happened Between the dates of May 15th and December 15th for example in 2003. There were only five accidents in 2004 There were eight accidents This is a more accurate way of staying stating the information that was presented by the police department as far as the number of accidents That occurred when the road was closed. That's a question. I have her sergeant to Jinsky But I don't think he's here. Perhaps deputy chief Weiss could step up to the podium and maybe answer them deputy chief This may our council members. What can you help you with owner and sushi? Thank you deputy chief on December 13th Officer Williams said at the public protection and safety committee meeting and I will quote directly what he said in the time period That we closed off 21st at Kelley-Mitch Drive. We've had zero accidents at either of those intersections It's eliminated the problem there and then on February 15th, 2006 sergeant Chajinsky discussed this issue on WHBL and he said all the 26 accidents went away All right Now alderman often make decisions based on these oral reports from various city employees And I find myself in a quandary when I receive information that contradicts itself Last December I requested copies of numerous accident reports that occurred all over the city and sergeant Chajinsky Kindly prepared all the information I requested the con quandary that he puts me in is that there were several accidents? Reports that were attached to a note written on his personalized stationery the top of the personalized stationery clearly said from the desk of Thomas J. Jansky traffic sergeant and the contents of the note was something like older person Susha Attached to all the accidents that occurred in the area since the road was closed So the quandary I meant is we get these oral reports that say zero But yet I have a handwritten note on personalized stationery with accident reports attached to it that occurred in that time frame So which information is accurate? Well, I think first of all you did you ask? Lieutenant Williams or Sergeant to Zinske you know specific questions they they would probably be the best source to answer the notes on their own paper. I Can assure you that Sergeant to Zinske or Lieutenant Williams was not trying to trick anybody They certainly don't have the analysis that in the background to study aspirin Ibuprofen if your kind of background they did not put That kind of depth into their study as far as whether or not there's a Ibuprofen is going to work or the years that you study it They dealt with it as a community policing project. They did the best they could they weren't miss Misleading you in any way. They weren't lying to you now the specific questions that you have you probably should ask them And if you want to write them down, I'll make sure that they have them so they can answer your question Okay, so you don't know which Didn't even see the notes that you're talking about Okay, well too bad they're not here to answer that for all of us because it sure would clear up issues in my mind but anyway Moving on Just To put things in perspective in regards to the number of accidents, and I don't know if you have this data either Do you know off the top of your head approximately how many accidents will occur at a busy intersection like 14th and Erie? In a year No, I believe that is our our most busiest action Intersection for accidents. No, I don't know the exact figure. I want to mislead you Well, I'd say it's safe to say that at that intersection It's double digits at the intersection we're closing at single digits And that's where I kind of have a problem is that you know, we're closing something based on very small numbers It was not 26 to 0 that's a misleading statement and there's some other information here And I'm not sure if you're aware of this Are you aware that mr. Muth is who is one of the two property owners adjacent to the street that he's got a $600,000 loan from the city and one of the covenants of his agreement is for him to vacate his property on North Avenue And move to the industrial park by the end of 2004 were you aware of that? No Okay, he did request and receive an extension from Mayor Shram So he doesn't have to relocate his business till 2009 but hypothetically speaking This is where it all kind of comes to a head is that if mr. Muth moves to the industrial park in 2009 as it states in his Agreement for his loan if he vacates his building and hypothetically speaking if we have a developer that comes in and puts up a strip mall Or puts up a Walgreens if we close the street today based on safety issues How are we going to justify future development and allow them to have open up their parking lot? So cars can cross Calumet Drive and cars can cross North Avenue I mean if you were closing the street based on for the purpose of development I could understand that and support that for the purpose of safety I think we're going to be putting yourself in a corner for any future development that goes in that That area of town because we're not going to be able to approve it So what would happen down the line if we if we develop this area? How are you going to open up the parking and just well? I think the council would just have to open up the street council Has all the authority to redo things that they've done in the past if things don't turn out right they can Re-examine that issue open it up If a Walgreens goes in there, so you're saying today we should close it for public safety and then tomorrow I'm not bringing this forward. Okay. I didn't bring this forward here whoever brought this motion forward That answers that pretty much answers my question So I just wanted my constituents to understand for the purpose of development I would close that road, but I'm not going to do it under being misled to think it's strictly for public safety. Thank you Thank you. Oh, yeah, do you have anything for a deputy chief or not? No, I don't thank you deputy chief Alman Hanna sure I have to thank you, mayor I have to admit that when 21st Street was open there was my favorite shortcut and I've but I have grown to deal with it and My wife always chided me for using that shortcut because she thought I was making a risky move I have learned to use the light and it's been fine. I've Adopted and adapted to the to the change. I've not heard from any constituents That's you know what contiguous to my to my area. I've not heard any complaints and constituents Wanting it to be opened so I can live with it being Made into a dead end. Very good. Thank you, sir Alderman Serta vice president Serta, excuse me Thank you, Your Honor I just would like to make a suggestion and use this as a teachable moment Obviously it was self-evident that older person social was well prepared to To address the council and provide her input and I think in terms of asking questions It might be best if we would give a heads up to the department's the department heads their staff that if we're Going to address some questions to them just to prepare them ahead of time I felt that they were at the police department was a little bit ill-equipped to answer these questions And I think it would just service us all better if we could communicate prior to the meeting that way we can address those questions Appropriately just a suggestion. Thank you. Alderman Serta Alderman graph Thank you, Your Honor. I have a question for Alderman vendor Willie when you've said that this was going to be It was going to become a dead end and a one-way. Did you say or oh Okay, it's just going to become a dead end. No Dead end, right? Thank you, Your Honor What I said earlier was that we're going to make it a dead end The way where the barricades are right now and we're not going to vacate it We're going to keep it the right of way is what I said. We're going to keep the right of ways so that We're still on the street It's already closed right now anyway, correct So all you're going to do is remove that ugly barricade and take care of what you need to take care of and leave it Leave it as it is and as Alderman Hanna pointed out. There's been no complaints at least in his District. Yes, sir. And also may I add that we have borrowed those from the county and now we can give them back to the county Shared services. Yes. Thank you. Alderman Vander wheel anything else Okay, we will call the roll Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vander wheel Rehastled Boran Bergh Serta Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny and Meyer 13 eyes and three nose motion carries reporter committee seven 853 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 7134 based on failure to cooperate with the committee Failure to reveal the violation and for having violations related to the license activity Alderman Ratke Thank you, your honor. I'd like to make a motion to refer this back to committee There's a motion to second to re-refer back to committee under discussion I've talked to this gentleman and he will be in at the next meeting, so we're gonna give him one more shot Thank you. Thank you anything else All those in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries will be re-referred Ordnance has introduced 10 854 to 855 lies over Alderman Susha Thank you, your honor. I have a question. Will I be able to suspend the rules on 855? It involves it would involve money so You can't okay. I would make a motion to suspend the rules on 855 Is your there's a second motion in the second any objection You object we will have call the vote the vote. Okay. Excuse me. Who seconded the motion to thank you. Okay? We're gonna call the vote on the suspension. We need two-thirds vote three-quarters three-quarters vote which would be Well go votes to suspend yep, otherwise lies over please call the roll Radke Ryan This is an aye vote would be to suspend the rules no Susha hi Vander wheel Verhaselt Boran Berg Serda Davis graph Hannah Excuse me. No, thank you. Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer and Montemay or Nine eyes seven nose ocean fails 855 will lie over 856 to be referred Matters laid over 11 521 in our old our old number 5507 by the City Plan Commission recommended vacating a portion of the unpaved alley between located Vacated a portion of the unpaved alley located between Maryland Avenue and Illinois Avenue West of South 17th Street Alderman Montemay or I Move to accept and file the RO and put the ordinance upon its passage Motion and second under discussion No, yes, please continue. Thank you your honor. I think This might be troublesome. I think it's a perfectly good idea. We're going to vacate and an unused alley One little problem the alley is That land is going to be given to Hold them and Kittleson, which is perfectly innocent. It's not used much and even though another person owns most of it It's almost a 50-50 bargain between the other person and Alderman Kittleson, and I think we should vacate it But I'm worried this is going to set an ugly precedent that we're giving land to a sitting alderman I don't know if we should be concerned with that or not Okay, any other Alderman Hanna? I'm the mayor. Thank you. Well, once the land is given to Alderman Kittleson. She'll be can paying taxes on it Sure Thank you, Alderman Hanna Attorney McLean, thank you. Just to clarify City doesn't deed property over to the abutting properties when Street right away is vacated it it returns back to The original owner by operational law, so you're not giving anything to anybody. It's it's there already but legally sort of superimposed over that is the city's Ownership of it so when the city's ownership when you vacate it that evaporates and then the presumption is that the abutting properties owned to the center of the former street right away and As far as Alderman Kittleson Believe she should abstain as far as that goes but this is the process for vacation that the statutes provide and You know the fact that an alder person it may affect an alder person You can't really You know an alder person doesn't lose their their rights under the statutes just because they're an alderman So I would advise Alderman Kittleson to abstain, but I don't see that this sets any Unreasonable precedent or anything like that Thank you, Attorney McLean any other discussion There being none we will call the roll Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt boron Berg Surtah Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or and Ratke 15 eyes one abstention Motion carries 729 or or number 150607 by the city plan commission recommended amending the zoning for property located at 1804 Martin Avenue from Class urban commercial to urban industrial classification Alderman month of my own. Thank you your honor. I move to accept and adopt the R. O. And The ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There being none please call the roll Susha Vanderwheel Verhaselt Boran Berg Surtah Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke and Ryan 16 eyes motion carries 747 Resolution number 630607 by Alderman graph Hanna Clowness Susha and boron Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the oh sick budget Alderman graph Thank you, your honor. I'd move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second to put it upon its passage under discussion There being none please call the roll Vanderwheel Verhaselt Thank you boran Berg Surtah Davis graph Hanna Kittleson Clowness Manny Yeah, okay Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan and Susha 16 eyes motion passes 720 759 general ordinance number 120607 by Alderman Vanderwheel Surtah Meyer Montemay or and Berg Relating to traffic signs to remove yield signs for eastbound and westbound traffic on Oakland Avenue at various locations Alderman Vanderwheel Thank you, honor. I move to put the general ordinance upon its passage Motion second put it upon its passage under discussion under discussion we look at this in perfection safety and Resident have a concern in that area about a stop sign and Engineering department looked at it and it was decided that there was a lot of yield signs in the area and we better fit if there were stop Signs and The stay in age, so that's what we're doing. Thank you. I'll remember we'll all remember my own Thank you your honor. I was simply going to say what Alderman Vanderwheel already said. Thank you very good Reiteration, thank you Alderman Meyer. Thank you your honor. I just want to say I'm glad that we're finally going to do something in this area I believe last year we had people that came in with the same complaints and last year we did nothing But this year we are fixing it, so I'm glad we're doing it. Thank you Alderman Meyer Any other discussion there being on please call the roll per hassled Boren Berg Serta Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny Meyer Montemayor Racky Ryan Susha and Vanderwheel 16 eyes motion carries other matters of turning McLean 857 is communication from Richard Hartman regarding accepted procedures for all members of committees when they present letters Documents on an issue before that committee That will be referred to committee of the whole President Burke. Yes, if I could please your honor there is one other matter. It's the birthday of our city clerk today The other matter being happy birthday madam city clerk Thank you. We wish you a lot more years. Is that it Alderman graph started you have something I wanted to do the exact same thing, but I'll never beat me to it. Why don't you make a motion to adjourn there? I will some over Well, excuse me. There's a motion second to adjourn before we do chief. Would you please sir? No, hold on the public will want to hear this Just for everybody's information She's going under a severe Thunderstorm warning right now for the next about Half an hour roughly so you might want to take that into consideration on your travels home. Thank you chief All those in favor of adjournment. Please say aye. Any opposed and adjourned