 Welcome to Toffy TV. We're here. We're doing this live and we're here to talk about Phil Jagielcher. He's just announced that he's leaving Everton Football Club. This video is sponsored by One Football, One Football. That makes it easy to find all the latest scores. Start our news in one place to download the app. Click the link in the description. So Phil Jagielcher has left Everton Football Club. He's announced that on his Instagram account. Have you got the full? You want the statements? I do want the statements. I mean, you don't want to look at that. Let me just get them up here. I didn't realise we were doing the full statements. We are. We're doing the full statements. Let's go with it. Here we go. It's been hard to confirm my situation for next season as that decision haven't been fully made until now by the club. Unfortunately my journey at Everton has come to an end after 12 fantastic seasons. I've been lucky enough to play over 380 games and lucky enough to be club captain for six years. All I can say is thanks to all the players I've played alongside, all the staff that have helped me in their own way, the chairman and of course amazing fans wishing everyone associated with this special club the very best for the future. Come on you blues. So that was his statement. Face reactions from leaving Everton Football Club? Yeah, not surprised. I think we all knew at the Burnley game when he got brought on in the 1890 minutes of the game. That was over for no reason and he got a stand innovation. I think the crowd knew. But it's still sad he's been an unbelievable signing. David Moyes took the piss with the £4 million and bid to get him from Sheffield United and he's come in and he's been absolutely outstanding for us. He hasn't been allowed punching chest screaming in people's faces captain but he's led by example. He's led by his performances on the pitch and he's been brilliant. I love him and he always looked great pre-season with his tan. But now he's been an absolutely brilliant defender and you know what? I still mean to him if he wouldn't have got that cruciate injury in 2009. We don't want the FA Cup. But I'll miss him because he's been great for us and he knows what the club's about. But good luck to him you know what? I'm not sure he was not for the new deal. I'm just not sure the deal was what he wanted. But I'd like him to go and play somewhere because I've said it before and I think I said it on one of the videos we've done today. If you're him, go and play. You've got limited time left. Being fourth choice at the club when you're being club captain isn't the way to finish your career. That's my opinion. Do you think that's what he's basically saying? Maybe the contract isn't great and if it's not great and he's not playing then what's the point? He wants to go somewhere. Maybe get another year. Maybe get a year where Chiffy is united. Aston Villa you know. I've got one for you. The club quite clearly have got designs on bringing in. Either caretumer full time or another centre back. And the fact now that this decision has been determined today could that possibly mean that the club have got some new information regarding one of the targets? It's hard to say isn't it? I mean because we know that he's out of contact. This is typically the time when other clubs have just announced that players are leaving. So it's strange just because what he said is just a little bit weird isn't it? The way he said it. It doesn't quite paint a picture because you're only hearing his side. We don't know what. I haven't made an announcement as far as I know regarding it yet. So only he has made a statement on it. It's hard to determine what he's getting at. But we'll have to wait and see. I just think he's a fantastic serving for Everton Football Club. Like you said there, not necessarily the captain. I mean just looking at Everton's website. There's nothing on Everton's website about it which again when we talk about communication I just find that strange. He's been a great leader, a great servant. As you said he's not always been the captain we've needed on the pitch. Sometimes we've needed a little bit more in certain games. But he is that example for other people. The way he carries himself, the way he conducts himself. He's always been brilliant from that point of view. Yeah, you're absolutely spot on. I think if we'd had him and Sylvan Distan as our centre backs, sorry him and Jolene Lescott as our centre backs in 09 then I think we would have done a lot better. They were a fantastic partnership. Jags was the ultimate defender. Lescott was the player with the pace and the player who could score goals and they complemented themselves each other brilliantly. But then him and Distan struck up a brilliant partnership as well. And he's done that all the time while he's been at Everton. He's struck up brilliant partnerships and that says a lot about him. He always seems to be someone you can have a laugh with. I've interviewed him a couple of times. He's been around him a couple of times. Just seems like a really nice fellow. He's got a lot of time for people. He's another one isn't he? We're yet to hear of Leighton Baines' decision. But if Baines goes as well it'll essentially only leave Seamus Coleman and obviously Seamus Coleman will probably take over now as club captain. He's already basically the first team captain but he'll take over as club captain and that'll be another great ambassador for the club. It's sad but it's football isn't it? I suppose the saddest thing from his point of view is that he leaves the club neverlifft in a trophy and that's ultimately quite a few. I know but ultimately a lot of people judge themselves by that but he's given us some great moments. He obviously got the goal this year against Arsenal. It was his last start. He won the game. He's come up with some big moments and I think everyone is sad to see him go but it is the right time because that's how football works. You leave it the wrong time and people hate you all for a period. Look at what happened with this then. He was brilliant. I'm not saying he's the same as Jackie. He's brilliant for us and then in the end people will get shut. You know, two years too long and people will say to him at the end of it. We're atons and the other thing about it is as well, you can't be a ruthless club trying to chase the top four and get better and also be a club that keeps players on for sentimental reasons. So there's a trade off there. Do you know what I mean? Us as fans sometimes don't like it and us as fans will look at that but at the end of the day the club are going in a different direction. We've talked to me and you many times about Marcel Brandt having no emotion because he's not allowed to. So you look at that and go, you're 36, you're fourth choice now, you've been injured quite a few times this season. If you're going to stay, this is the deal we're offering you but if you've got another but centre back doesn't that doesn't what he said sort of doesn't really give you a clear picture of what's going on. Does it because it makes me think that if he hasn't been given a good enough contract, right? And I've only decided today, maybe they've had that final conversation today with brands, obviously, because he's felt the need to release it. Then that makes me feel like I've got I've got something else going on. Well, that's fine, but I'm only mentioning that because one thing I don't like and I'll be consistent with this. If a club decides, if Everton decide they don't want to keep a player or they're not keeping a player. I would like to see that player get a send off because I was very disappointed with the club when they let Aussie and Pina and Tim Howard, Tony Hibbock, sorry, go and they released them. And there was no, there was nobody never got a chance if they were no, but okay. But there's a flip side to that, mate. And that flip side to that is. Liverpool is really staying the story to Merino. Right? So did they get a send off? I don't care about them. No, no, no, no. Football is a business. No, but that's not the problem. You can. No, you can. No, you can. If you make a decision, this is the question I'm asking. If you make a decision and that's the question I'm asking. If you make a decision that you're letting a player go, you can give them a send off. You can say to them, they've finished. They're not getting a contract. That's, that's, that's the cold-hearted business side of it. What I'm saying is you can do that. And on the flip side, you can say to people, they're not getting a contract. So that's what I'm saying. It would be interesting to know whether he was offered something and it just wasn't on his terms. If that's, if he was offered something and it wasn't on his terms, that's fine. The club have tried to keep him at the club. The club, what I'm saying is I don't like when I didn't like when the club let Leon Oswin go and they had, and Tony Hebert and Pina and they had no, they were never keeping them. And they didn't signal to the, to people by day they're leaving so fans could say that goodbye. And that, we half did it with the last game of the season. I'm not criticizing them at the club. I'm just saying if the club didn't offer them a contract or don't ever offer anyone a contract, it'd be nice to just say, the last game of the season, they're going, thanks for, thanks, it's great having you. But if they've offered them one, which he sort of, the, the statement sort of eludes that there might have been one, then that's fine. I've got no, I've got absolutely no problem. I've got absolutely no problem. But if the club don't want to make a decision till the season's finished. Well then again, that's fine as well. The point being is if, what I'm saying is if the club, if the club know that they're not staying, then it's always nice to, that's fine. Of course, but it's, it's difficult. I know what you're saying, because us as fans, it's an emotional thing. But again, it's back to the business side. And if the club have, if the club aren't sure or I don't know, maybe the, maybe brands just, I don't know, maybe brands is looking for, we'll get every key. If Ruma, say Ruma, because they haven't, Silver's been quite open and said he wants to keep him. Say something's changed with Ruma and he wants to stay. Yeah, and I've been given some encouragement. And they think of Jagielch and we've got Holgate coming back. He might look and go with Holgate. Jagielch is blocking Holgate. Jagielch is not the future. No, I've got no problem with that. If a club, a club could offer a contract and then pull the contract away. They could do that after the season's ending. I just, I just don't like when, when, if a club knows, but the club might have known. That's fine. I've got no problem with that. I think, I think it's, I think it might just be that. He's not being given the assurances. He wants, and he's decided that. That's fine because he's made the decision then. It would be nice to get some, not saying we'll get clarification. The club will probably just be sitting and saying, Phil Jagielch has left the club. It just, just a bit weird that, that there's still nothing on the club. No, I'll just keep it fresh in the future. That'll be fine. Well, I mean, it doesn't surprise me. No, it doesn't surprise me because they're not great at communication. Because again, now it's one of those things where, if he is leaving the club and he said that it, the club might be throwing, you know, at seven o'clock tonight, you might see all kinds of tribute and videos for them on the website and that kind of thing. You know, the club might have said, do us a favour, just hold off on that, and we'll put them out during, you don't know. Sometimes you could decide the club and there's no need to. But, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, yeah. Jay Mack has said currently just two players remain from the David Moise era. Quite staggering, really. He took over 17 years ago and left six years ago. And that's jagged. I mean, obviously, it's Baines and Coleman, isn't it? It is. That isn't. There ain't that many people left from the, from the Martin era. But that's why he's staggering, isn't it, in football. But then that shows, that shows how good, how good they were at signings. That really does. The fact that, you know, three of that back four were still remaining last season. Just to go back to L.A. Walkway. Then shame is your obvious choice to be the captain going forward now. Yeah, definitely. It's, do you not think with Coleman being 30 and then possibly looking to replace him now? It makes sense to me. I mean, you spoke sometimes about Michael Keane. Potentially because he's a younger player, he'll be here. But it not makes sense to make someone like him the captain now. And just for long time. No, because I think that would be a slap in the face to shame is Coleman. You know, he's essentially get, would, would be getting that responsibility. And he deserves that responsibility. And he might only have it for a year or two. So I think that would, that would be unfair on shame is now. I think he's still the best captain we've got at the club. And I think he, he is someone of times who, who does, you know, beat his chest and all that kind of thing. But I think also off the pitch, he's a fantastic, fantastic off the pitch as well. Great ambassador. You know, a great ambassador represents the club really well. We've, we've spoke to him. You know, he knows, he knows how to talk to people. Yes. He's very, he's very sort of down to earth and knows what's going on at the grassroots level. You know, you are all kinds of stories about him. You have heard from people, you know, that he's sent people into like the club shop to buy 250 shirts with it, with, you know, his name and number on the back. And then he sends them home and gives them to all the people in the village and stuff like that. And things like that, you know, just things that just keep them in touch with people, you know. He's a great fella. And you write as a club captain, you can ask for a better person to represent the club. Cos he's dancing with it in an era where football is on. He's very much booked that slender fucking dabbing and doing all sorts of nonsense, dancing in the dressing rooms and stuff. Listen, he's had his, he's had his criticism on the pitch and he's given back sometimes to the fans. But as a big boy you can take it. Just as a man, you know, I think, you know, when you hear him and he says, when he says things about players have to take more responsibility. And he's sick of players always putting the responsibility onto a manager or using this excuse. He's like, no, we ain't enough money to be able to take that criticism and actually, you know, sit down and explain why certain things have happened. He never shakes his responsibility as a player or as a captain. So I'm fully on board with him being the next captain. I think it makes, listen, it makes perfect sense to just keep that, to keep that going quite easily with him, the continuities there. And obviously, you know, we've had plays in the squad like Tom Davis has wore the armband a few times last season. And, you know, Michael King may be like you say, in the future, but it's interesting, isn't it? It's stay, where have you been? Stay. I think Jack's going is the correct decision. Great save on the soft blow. What's the transfer show with Bas Nandi and Heard over the weekend? Halle y Maxi Gomes. Both would be very, very good. Halle, very good. So interesting, very, very interesting. Stay just quickly. Ramirez was the centre back I was talking about yesterday, the 28-year-old from Girona. That was the one I was talking about. I think in terms of other players to become captain, is there anyone actually in the dressing room who could stand up and say, I deserve to be the captain over Seamus Coleman? With anyone to think, well, you know, because listen, it does happen, it does happen. That wealth, I mean, he's got the wages. There are players that the manager might say, oh, you know, at a club. This is my regime now. I'm taking over. I want to make it. I want to go with a fresh approach. Someone who can lead us forward. We've seen that happen at other clubs in the past, where, you know, it's taken off someone who might be like, you know, you just concentrate on your own game now. But I think, I just don't think there's anyone in the dressing room who would actually feel like they would deserve to be the captain over Seamus Coleman and would actually want to be the captain over Seamus Coleman. You know, you've tried other people, you know, Sigarton's not really a captain. He's a captain only in sort of in name because he's done it international wise. I'm trying to think who else is. Tom doesn't play enough. Tom's being the captain and he is one that you go in the future and say, you could lead us going forward. But apart from that, there's no one who plays enough, is there? You know, Pickford now. He plays all the time. He's not a captain for me. Michael Keane, maybe, does he want it? Well, he's not stepped forward. It'd be interesting next season because if Seamus is the captain and there's no Jags and maybe there's no Bains, then it's like, well, who's the next one? You know, who's the next? Maybe then the manager says, you know what, I'm going to appoint my deputy captain. And whoever, when Seamus doesn't play, then actually Keane might be the captain. Well, Steve Kelly, again, I think Luca Dean shows loads of leadership qualities and with his game and the desire to win. Yeah, I get that. But I also think some players just are natural at just playing. And I think Garnoddus, but I wasn't giving the captaincy. But I think he plays like a captain. It's just everywhere, isn't he? So, you know, it is one of them. Gary Cottle, you lad to get any more videos coming up from the pivots. Yeah, he'll be on it and he will be on again as we go through the summer, definitely. Let us know your thoughts in the comments on Phil Jagielke. Just your opinions of him over the time at Everton. And who would you like to see as the Everton captain next season? How would you like to see that go? Get those in the comments for us. Thank you very much.