 This is covering the spread part of the Fandall podcast network Week five is going to be a fun one some of this year's most Fascinating teams are in pretty fun games to bet for this week We're gonna break down those games our betting liens on those and get you set to fill out some hopefully profitable betting cards In week number five This is covering the spread right here on the Fandall podcast network and number fire calm My name is Jim Sonnis. I am a senior writer and analyst for number fire calm joined here as I am each Thursday by Ryan Williams checking out on Twitter at Ryan Alexander underscore W Ryan You are in the middle of a move and it you still found time top on the podcast for today to bless the people with Keeping your hot streak going. How you doing today? Yeah, we just we just got to keep the streak alive as long as we can Jim You know, it's it's an early morning here in central time That you're that you ping me for but you know, if I'm able to make it work I'll make it work So, you know, not too many weeks that we get to talk about football as we've discussed multiple times together Jim So, you know, can't pass up on opportunities to talk about some of these best bets. We got to take advantage, man You know, that's that's the way things work right now. So we'll be doing that I appreciate you carving out time for us still despite a very busy schedule for you We'll break down our three biggest games of the week. We'll talk some futures markets as well Do a little a midseason check in with those and also break down Ryan's favorite bets across week number five But first a reminder to make sure you are subscribed to covering the spread wherever you get your podcasts are week six College football podcast with me and Ed Fang is now posted find that on the covering the spread podcast VD is also up on the fan dual YouTube page subscribe to both of those to get our shows as they go live each and Every weekday also twisted tea and fan door have joined forces to bring you a one-of-a-kind Contest series that gives you a chance to compete for your share of thousands of dollars in site credit Introducing twisted teas college football picks a sports betting focused contest series. That's entirely free to play The contest is simple each college football game will be assigned money line is spread in total markets with assigned points Each market all you have to do is make six selections based on those three markets and our points for each correct selection You may that the end of the day your score ranks among the best in the contest You'll be eligible for your share of site credit head to faddle calm slash twisted tea picks and make your picks and reminder Please drink responsibly faddle calm slash twisted tea picks Now we'll break down the big games for this week in just one second But first do you want to do a quick check-in on the futures market because we've had four games the sample on each team so far and That does still give us some wiggle room for some market inefficiency buying low on teams And they have struggled or potentially buying high on teams We think are legit and have gotten off to good start so Ryan when you check out the the futures market right now Anything standing out to you as far as being good bets at this moment Yeah, well, I think one of the things I like to look I mean I look all across the board But I think the biggest thing when you're talking about the macro view of the season is where are the win totals at right now? And what they did and open that and so when you're looking at a team like the Carolina Panthers jump off the page to me right now They're total win totals at five and a half and okay So you're looking at the schedule and like yeah, they were able to eke out one win But looking forward in this NFC South, it's going to be a battle You got Atlanta one of the best covering teams Tampa Tampa Bay Tampa Bay, however you want to call They're catching, you know a little bit of steam here and outside of the division, too It just looks ugly and I'm looking and I'm like, I don't know how they can get you know More than four more wins out of the rest of the schedule and it's plus money on the under So, you know, you kind of look at these things and kind of talk yourselves into narratives like hey Where do you expect things to go going forward for this team? You take a team like the Philadelphia Eagles right now They're win totals at 12 and a half and they have the easiest schedule We talked about this so many times in the offseason how easy the Philadelphia Eagles schedule was going to be at a certain point And right now they're favorite in every game that they have later on the season I know it sounds crazy to have the Eagles at 12 and a half in the 17 game season But when you're looking at it, tell me where the four losses are over four losses that they're going to experience It's just kind of crazy unless they have some let down spot spots down the stretch or somebody gets injured You can take a chance on that Another team that's interesting is the Cleveland Browns. They got a quarterback situation That's gonna come to fruition here later on the season if they can make some headway with Jacobi Brissett and kind of keep things going you're looking at the division for them You're looking at the total team total for them, which is eight and a half I believe so there's a lot of things at this point in time Jim after four weeks when we're a quarter of the Waste through the season or at least it used to be when it was 16 games I'm not sure what that equates through now But pretty much a quarter of the way through the season when you're talking yourselves into narratives Or at least trying to paint the picture from a macro view and saying man If some things kind of go the way that I need them to go like who can be that Cincinnati Bengals from? 2021 like who can catch steam later on the season and the books might not have baked it in because so much is Happening on the present time and what's going on right now. So you mentioned finding the Bengals of last year I think the Bengals of last year might be the Bengals of this year, too Honestly, because they struggled so far and the offensive line has not looked good But continuity on the offensive line is a pretty important thing and they didn't have that coming into the year the further they get into the season that will improve and I feel like we're kind of underselling the upside of this offense and this defense has played well once again I think that the moves they did to make sure they were not content with what their defense did last year We're intriguing. So I look at the AFC North right now and they're two to one to win the division Baltimore is minus 105 and I Mean part of this ties into thoughts on that game. We'll talk about this week I think the Bengals are pretty lively in that game and that correlates to this potentially diving in the Bengals at Plus 200 to win the AFC North I do have them a little bit ahead of Baltimore my power rankings right now, which is Still largely a prior coming into the year Baltimore has outperformed their prior since that he's underperformed there so maybe I am clinging to that a bit too much in the number with what my model says right now, but I Think they're pretty interesting so I would say in the futures market right now the one number that does stand out to me is actually buying into the Bengals you mentioned two to one to potentially win the AFC North and It's not fun To bet against Lamar Jackson that's because that's kind of what that is right now it doesn't typically go well for people who do that but It also I can also view it from a perspective on betting on Joe Burrow betting on T Higgins betting on Jamar Chase and betting on a defense that has looked really good to open the year So I think if I'm looking at the future market, that's probably where I'm leaning right now But Ryan like I said like it's not fun to bet against a a pretty pretty aesthetically pleasing Baltimore team right now Yeah, well and to that point Jim, you know, we talked about this I think we talked about this last week or maybe it was two weeks ago when the Tampa Bay bucks were facing the Green Bay Packers That was two weeks ago I believe and and you start to look at things and do they break your way or the way that you want them to go? So like for example, let's talk about Cincinnati and and Baltimore will talk about that game But just in general like let's say the Ravens who are favored in this game They end up losing this game and Cincinnati looks great. Okay. Now things are changing narrative-wise on the Ravens They're they're gonna drop in their conference price. They're gonna jump drop in the division price And if you do still like the Ravens, I mean, this is it's a divisional game Like there's there's no shame in losing this game to a team that was in the Super Bowl last year And the Ravens could still just find a way to get to that point later on the season So I do like looking at those things where man, is it a tough game for this team? But they can still, you know rebound in and you know The public will be off of them because they just came off of a loss and they're like man They're not legit because they just lost to the Bengals who we can't trust and it could end up being that these are just two of The best teams in the AFC that ended being we'll see what happens with Kansas City and Buffalo as they play each other next week So that'll be fun But but yeah, I love I love kind of just taking it week by week Especially when we're early on this season and when people just jump off of the boat jump off the bandwagon If you feel a certain type of way let those games play out and then jump on their price Right after that because it will drop. What's an inflection point and that's what you're talking about there It's a it's a situation where odds will shift pretty dramatically and that is the case on Saturday night for the Bengals and Ravens I think the Bengals have a decent shot to win that game So that's part of why I think now would be the time getting ahead of that inflection point for them Whereas like you're saying for Baltimore, maybe you want to be behind it see what happens in that game potentially buy them in on Baltimore at That point, so let's talk about another AFC North team dive into our games of the week We got the Chargers at the Browns right now the Chargers two and a half point favorites total is 47 and a half and the Browns have had some Really good moments at times this year, but they also lost to the Falcons and they collapsed against the Jets That's not ideal. So what's your read on this Browns team right now entering a pretty tough game to get to Chargers? Yeah, so it's tough for me Especially with the line moving Jim because this this was at three and I know that there were a lot of sharks a lot of pros Hammering this number on the Browns because they people feel like the Chargers are Fraudulent and they have a lot of injuries going there with slaters out Boses out they've had a tough go and this is a second leg of a road trip for them You know on on the East Coast I believe with the Chargers So, you know, this is this is not lining up to be in the Chargers favor But the Cleveland Browns have had some injuries to report on their end especially on defense I think that'll change. I'm not sure what clowny status is but I know Miles Garrett He had the car accident and had some other injuries that were going on with that He could be healthy for this week, but if those things don't come to fruition, I still do like the Chargers I mean to me on paper like this is the more Explosive team. I think they'll figure it out on defense. I like the coach I trust the coach a little bit more to be aggressive in things that nature and this is just you know This is one of those spots for the Chargers like you kind of are up against it I mean the Raiders are slacking the Broncos will see who they are on Thursday night football But the Chiefs are still there So if you want a chance to get into the playoffs like you got to be gunning for a second These are the games that you need to win I still have belief that Herbert can be going we'll see what the status of Keenan Allen is but they still have you know Great weapons love that Austin Eckler has been getting going down the stretch here or the you know these past couple weeks So I do like the Chargers minus two and a half It does make me a little bit weary taking them on the road on the East Coast But I think that this is a game that we could look back on and and see that you know This was kind of the right number. Yeah, so you touched on all the key things I was going to discuss So I'm glad we're on the same page here My numbers are showing value on the Chargers side here, although it's showing more and more value on the Chargers money line That's minus 138 right now I think I'd be inclined to go that way versus the spread because I've got this game as I think three point something in favor of 3.86 and I just like the distributions better for the the win here So I'm going to go with the money line of minus 138, but with that said, I don't want to bet it right now I'm guessing Keenan Allen will be ruled out on Friday based on is no practice on Wednesday And I'm guessing Miles Garrett will be good to go and cleared Friday when that occurs I am assuming we'll see some more movement towards the Browns. So I've already got Keenan Allen out in my numbers. I've got Miles Garrett in my numbers So I'm assuming that even if it does stay steady at minus 138, which I don't think will happen I would be willing to bet that but what I would do is wait till Allen is officially ruled out wait till Garrett is officially cleared To play and then take a look at the Chargers see where that number is at that point So to me and if it stays at 138 if it stays at that number, I'm still okay with it I'd be fine with it, but I think there's a pretty good chance We get a better number as you said this number did move towards the Browns overnight on Thursday or overnight Wednesday night so that is that is definitely a Situation worth monitoring, but I think we might get a better number, but I want the Chargers either ways It sounds like we're on the same page of this one. It is a bummer about Slater I do have to downgrade the Chargers and my numbers because that because he is the greatest of all time But you know, I still think the Chargers the right side here. Yeah, and the total is interesting too Jim I believe it's at 47 and a half now a dropped a point if I'm not mistaken From 48 and a half and I do think points can be scored here I mean, we know we know what Cleveland wants to do. They want to run the ball and Nick Chubb It's a great matchup for him against this Chargers defense. That's more, you know The secondary is a lot better than the front seven has been So, you know that could force Herbert into a passing attack with with Echler with Palmer with Mike Williams Even with Keenan Allen out We've seen him have the propensity to just target, you know other guys outside of Allen So it does, you know kind of hurt from an on paper perspective But I still think that you know as long as you got Herbert as long as you got Echler on that offense There's still there's still a chance for them to put up points. So I think the total is interesting I think that I'd agree with that as well. Okay, let's talk here about the Eagles at the Cardinals I don't want to talk about the Carles anymore, but we got to do it Eagles are five and a half point favorites total 48 and a half The Cardinals Ryan have gotten up to super sluggish starts each week And they've rallied in most the second half to at least make things Competent at least make things somewhat interesting. It was not the not the chiefs game and not the Rams game But they did play well in the second halves. So like I feel like they have good play in them But I don't think you can afford to get off to a slow start against the Eagles So can they actually keep pace here or is this the Eagles another role for them? Yeah, I don't know how we bet against the Eagles at this point I mean they just have been absolutely stellar and you love the way that this defense is playing I mean you got to get you got to give Hertz a lot of credit because he's the one who's been dragged through the mud and media over the past two years About him not being a guy that you know could could win for Philly, but he's doing that But this defense has been absolutely stellar and they could give you know Kyler problems all day with the pressure rate that they offer in this offensive line for Arizona has not looked great Even Kyler, you know passing attempt. I think he's averaging 5.7 yards per pass attempt, which is only better than Fields, I believe which is absolutely just insane to talk about. I know Kyler I know you're done talking about Kyler. This is the guy that you've talked about a ton Don't talk about who? I don't recognize this name. Who are you talking about? But the other thing I think is just when you look at the coaching I mean the reason I liked Arizona last week was because how good Cliff Kingsbury has been on the road They were going against the Carolina Panthers and they were dogs and Cliff Kingsbury has in 1972 ATS record on the road now. He's at home and he's 9 and 17 at home against the spread So when you you know the numbers there with with Kingsbury, I don't know what makes the difference with these home and roads What's what they do? And so you know in that regard, I just got a look at Philly here You know, especially with under you know under 7 under 6 at 5 and a half It just feels right for Philly to do it now. I will say you know this I've said it before You will get the Philly test. I mean people still I'd feel like aren't buying into this team But yeah, I don't know how much Arizona makes of that, but if they can go in here and win handedly I think that I mean it's move selling for them going forward They got the home games against the Steelers and Cowboys on deck and then we know what it's like in the division for them So yeah, the Eagles are just the truth right now. Jim. We got to back them. Yeah So I did bet the Cardinals plus five and a half It's one of those things Ryan where it's a do as I say not as I do and Like can I faithfully recommend Arizona plus five and a half and like feel like good about it? No, absolutely not But I did so I did do this I have it at 1.73 points and the reason that I bet this because it's not just like a beating my head against wall stubbornest kind of thing I have home field is being a pretty I think I have it as being less impactful than the market does So if I am to Underestimate one side of a team based on that I'm more likely underestimate the home team and despite doing that I still have Eagles as a 1.73 point favorites in this game. So That's why I did it. There was some movement towards the Cardinals money line here I can't do that and that is that comes down to the coaching thing you mentioned Do I want to be sitting there Sunday afternoon watching Cliff Kingsbury do dumb Cliff Kingsbury stuff and needing a win? No, I I'm okay with them losing by five and and covering here So I've been my money line model has performed better than my spread model so far this year. So I've been more willing to bet long money lines, which we'll talk about later on but like I think here I want to take the point. So I've got Arizona plus five and a half But like I just I dread I dread watching this team every week because I've bet them Every week so far I think and it just like it makes me it makes me sick. But I gotta do it again Yeah, and this this is another one of those games Jim where I know how How much the unders have been hitting this season But when there have been good games to target I've been targeting them And this is another one like the only way the Cardinals stay in this game Like I can't trust the defense enough So the only way I see them staying in this game is if Kyler is able to put up points and force the bill On the the eagle side to to get things going. There's so many Key weapons in this game. I mean you're talking as Zach Erz and Dallas Carter going against each other used to be on the same team Oh, yeah, let's go the revenge game for Zach Erz Hollywood Brown has been an absolute stud. I mean really the reason they any have any chance in these games Is how he's been playing and then you love the fact that like look at futures market And they will get the Andre Hopkins back for whatever that's worth And you see the the ram struggling in prime time. We'll see what the you know, the 49ers I think they have a good grasp on that division. I think it's plus 120 for them to win But you know the cards if they win this game They they control their own destiny if they start to get you know pieces back and and healthy So I think that you know looking at the total here at 48 and a half it dropped by a full point from 49 And a half where it opened I think is some interesting merit because that's the only way the Cardinals stay in this game Do you prefer the total in this game or the Eagles minus five and a half? Which one do you feel better about between those two? um Honestly the way that the Eagles have been playing I'd more I'd slightly go the lean Just because of that under six numbers is just so nice. I'm honestly kind of shocked The way that things have been playing but that just leads me to believe like when I don't feel Great about the number and I still see explosive sides on each offense Like I would still take the I would take the total probably in a parlay bet either on the five and a half You know Cardinals or Eagles side just because this game could get out of hand and get fireworks quickly It's could be one of the best games on the slate. Yeah, the Eagles are pushed for a full game for the first time Seemingly all year that could be pretty intriguing because I haven't really had to do much in the second half yet Um, that could be when miles Sanders is getting two touchdowns So then we know that uh, they've got the game handled Lee in favor Very upset that boston scouts back at practice on on wednesday like rest up man like rest up take your time I need miles Sanders for some stupid season long teams that no one cares about but like, you know, just rest up boston scott It's okay. We take your time man. Once we've on here to sunday night football We got the Bengals at the ravens ravens three point favorites here total is 48 and a half and the Bengals Slow start this year. They did win against the dolphins. Obviously a very odd game though Did you see enough in their matchup with miami to think they can cover potentially win this game against baltimore? I did. Um, you know t higgins being banged up that that's kind of tough. We'll see what his status is But you know, they're gonna get chase going. I think they have no choice, but to get mixing going It was very tough to see him stopped on two goal line stands Um, when they tried everything to get this guy like a three touchdown game and it just wasn't coming to fruition this offense line But this is a team that you know, they they've had some success with in the past under zack taylor Against the baltimore ravens. They throttled them in two regular season matchups last year outscoring him by Around 50 points or above. Um, this this ravens team. I you know, I love them I have so many futures on on lemar on the ravens in general Um, but it's been tough this year. You know, they had the strong lead against buffalo kind of let that up They you know had the letdown game earlier on in the season against miami They've had a hard time holding on to leads So, you know in that sense it really makes me lean the the bingles if they you know This defense like you talked about has been playing stout They haven't allowed more than 20 points per game and I you know, I get it It's a divisional matchup But in that same right anything could you know kind of go either one of these seems favor and the in the three Just seems so favorable. I know it was at three and a half at some point So shout out to those of you who got the hook if you were taking the bingo side Um harbaugh is is very good at covering in in in these situations But um, I gotta I gotta lean zack taylor joe borough and and the boys here at getting getting the three You know on a prime time game. I think this is gonna be Uh, it's it's gonna be one that that will be interesting And I think that so many people are sleeping on the bangles right now That this is a perfect spot for them to kind of wake up and change things And so like you're saying with the narrative of the bangles getting them the win the division two to one Like things could change right on the dime. This is a super bowl team From a year ago and they have what's supposed to be on paper better pieces I think on the defense that's coming to fruition. But this often to line They'll get better as time goes along or at least that's the hope is that this unit just hasn't played enough together And that's why they're struggling. So it's week five They can get to the halfway point and they could turn this thing around very quickly Yeah, I think the the key for this one is baltimore defense like if they can Yeah Finally do something then maybe you could see Uh baltimore being you know a three-point favorite in this game But I I'm not as sold on the defense specifically like the offense. They're sick. Uh rishad bayman didn't practice Wednesday, but um Sounds like he might be okay. Uh, he did sit out. I think most I think the entire fourth quarter Last week, but weird weather there. You probably don't want to be on a bad foot on Uh, uh, weird surface there. So I think he should be okay to go But the bangles money line is plus 150 in this game I think I'd prefer to go that way versus the plus three and minus one oh four And now you mentioned the three and a half with the plus three being minus one oh four right now I think there's at least a shot a shot We get to three and a half once again if that were to get to three and a half You have not gotten the money line yet Then I would go with a three and a half but with the being three right now I think I'd go with the money line at plus 150 their implied odds of winning at that number are 40 percent whereas I've got their odds around 48 percent right now So that's a pretty big gap Again, I think my numbers might be a bit too low on the baltimore offense but Eight percentage points gives me a lot of wiggle room to be off and still be on the right side versus that 40 number So I do think that the bangles are the right way to go with this one The money line specifically plus 150 where I want to go there, uh with this bangles team I did I bet plus three earlier this week. I forgot about that I should have done the money line But if I'm giving it from an advice perspective, I think that the the money line is the preferred way to go with this one Let's open up the board here ryan anything else standing out to you across a fan dual sports book in week number five Yeah, I got a got a couple fun ones for you. Uh, so let's see. Where do I want to start? Let's start with the Steelers um 14 point dogs here uh against buffalo who's coming off of that great comeback win from Josh Allen against the ravens and you know just with Everything that's going on with the buffalo bills on on defense the injuries that they've experienced and and just how Much it took out of them. I feel like to to get that win Against baltimore there to be able to win by three Then you look ahead and I was always as I was saying we got rematch from the afc championship with the Uh, yeah afc afc divisional. Yeah divisional round. Yeah, just bangles chiefs. That's right. Yes, right It shouldn't have been that round, but it was yes, exactly Exactly afc divisional round rematch in week six that's coming up for the buffalo bills So this is a you know, a huge spot where I could feel feel let down, especially when you're looking at double digits there Tomlin has a great, you know record as an underdog against the spread an underdog In general, so looking at the the stealer side, excuse me getting 14 points there I absolutely love that and then the tampa bay versus atlanta game the under 47 and a half I believe that's still where it's at on the fan dual sports book like i'm absolutely hammering this That potentially there's no cordial or partisan for atlanta There potentially might not be a cow pits for atlanta who just magically wasn't at practice the the other day In the the bucks even though they're coming off of this game where they allowed 31 points to the chiefs They hadn't allowed More than 14 points to all of these other opponents, which are you know, dallas new orleans and green bay atlanta outside of you know without cordial or partisan and without cow pits I really don't know where the offense is coming from drake london's been banged up marcus mariota is not passing the ball Pretty much at all, you know taking like less than double digit attempts in these games Uh, you know, I just think that this kind of shapes up for the buccaneers to kind of just You know be able to win this game handedly their team totals like 28 and a half, which is interesting I think but I don't know how atlanta gets their team total of 19 and a half So i'm looking at the under in that game as well So I want to go back to your first one. I mentioned earlier that there was a long money line that I bet It was the Steelers plus 640. It was a half unit on that and uh, let's go You know, it's not one you feel good about ryan. We talked about a couple of those this week, but man So the implied odds of plus 640 are 13.5 percent So as long as you think the Steelers win odds are higher than 13.5 percent, you can bet it and my numbers have the Steelers 18.5 percent to win so 5 percentage points of value I bet nascar a lot if I were to have a guy 18.5 percent to win a race and his implied odds were 13.5 percent I bet him every time without without a segment of doubt So I kind of feel like I got to do it here and I did I again, I don't feel good about it But like you said a lot of defensive injuries It's a more volatile spot with kenny pickett starting because we there are a lot of unknowns with kenny pickett I don't have a super high opinion of kenny pickett from like a an nfl perspective because He wasn't a big standout in my in my prospecting model, but He felt deep in the draft too, which dings him Quite a bit and that model as well because it's pretty dependent on draft capital So my opinion of him is not great But my opinion of him is higher than that of michael trabisky I didn't change things drastically from a an offensive efficiency perspective because there are so many unknowns Like there is a chance that that there is this I didn't even like factor in the kids city thing next week Because I forgot that was happening next week. I've not looked done look at lines yet But like plus 640 is uh, it's a lot. So that's enticing. I put a half unit on it. I think let's roll Let's roll, baby. I don't know if I can back you that that far about it But I'll take my 14 and a half and you get that money line. Um, and that's great. No I mean these these are any given sunday, right? This is why they kind of play the game These are, you know, things can be shocking bill's mafia would absolutely riot Um, and they would have no, you know, that would be an interesting way to see what the line is in the in the Kansas City Buffalo team if this team goes out lays a duck against the Steelers within kenny pickets first full official start There there would there would be some hell to pay. Uh, but that's that's an interesting one No, we always got to look at I mean, especially when you're talking about five to one anything over five to one It's always worth a merit of just, you know, looking at it dabbling that whether you go half unit quarter of unit Whatever the case may be. I mean, these are kind of things that happen They happen all the time and people just don't realize and and look at it and you know Always sitting there on sunday night being like, man, how did I not see that coming? And this is why we take the shot. So I like that, Joe You mentioned the Atlanta thing too. My numbers agree with you, uh, where I've got them I've actually got them with lower win odds than the Steelers for this week. So very skeptical of Atlanta Very skeptical of their offense specifically in that situation I I know that the buck struggled against Kansas City, but like who cares it's Kansas City. Um, as much as I love Marcus Mariota He's not Patrick Mahomes. So I'm not gonna fret about that too much So I think we're pretty aligned across the board for this week, which feels good adding into this one That's all we got here for this week five nfl podcast. I think it's a pretty fun card I feel Despite having some gross bets I still feel good about my slip for this week and we'll see uh, how it plays out Across the entirety of this weekend back once again on monday to talk some monday night football We got the cheese and the raiders coming up then but also our prop preview is coming up for tomorrow Make sure you are subscribed to covering the spread wherever you get your podcast and also over on the fangirl youtube page Ryan good luck with the rest of your move and we'll talk to you once again very soon Sounds good. Jim. I appreciate it, buddy. Good luck. Everybody get that money All righty find ryan on twitter at ryan alexander underscore w I am on twitter at jim sonnis. 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