 Good morning, this is rich Happy Friday, how are you Wendy? I'm doing well. Thank you. Oh great. Thank you It any problems with one bridge? Oh Hi rich, I'm good. I'm joining at a proxy for a beach. Just want to say hi. Oh good morning, and it's a and kid That's correct. Oh very good. Thank you for joining us appreciate it Thank you And it's it's just after the the top of the hour So we'll get started and I do know a couple of our members are going to be running late and they've let me know which is fantastic So so first of all as we always do well first of all good morning and happy Friday to everybody Appreciate you joining us this morning As we always do I just want to remind everyone that this is a recorded Meeting And we also want to make sure that everybody is aware of our antitrust Information as it relates to the organization and so I've posted that here You should see in front of you the antitrust policy notice feel free to read through it in the upshot Of course means that just to be a good person So so that's that And I it is a little bit early on the call, but I would like to open this up to introductions for anyone that may be new on the call or Or want to talk a little bit more about what they do as it relates to black chain technologies in healthcare And so we just heard a little bit from ankit serving as a proxy for ravish So ankit do you want to talk a little bit about yourself? Indeed good morning everybody does my first time in this meeting. My name is on Ken Jen And I'm serving as a proxy for a reach I have been working in the healthcare industry for a while primarily as Assistant analyst and a business analyst. I've worked in the field of technology development, too I joined the pair subgroup of our SIG about a month and a half ago and Was also able to attend the meetup that was held for the pair subgroup last month And I worked with a reach in the past and he invited me to join the group I'm excited about everything that's going on Outstanding and so do you work with the ravish ravish at Joe get then a little bit. Yes. Oh Very good. Okay. And is it is that the company that you work with then? No, I work with multiple technologies Okay, and how do you spell that? I'm okay X a Okay, X a Okay, very good. They were one of the sponsors for for the meetup and Outstanding very good. Thank you so much and of course welcome great to have you on the call Thank you anybody else on the call that's that's new and wants to take the time to introduce themselves Okay, sounds fine. All right. Well, if you are fairly new welcome and I do see Steven on the call. Good morning, Steven and And and Kenneth Ken I think East Coast Ken. Good morning to you as well Alrighty. Well, let's let's sort of kick things off then So we do have a quite a number of things happening Right now. We have an upcoming blockchain health summit that's happening in October I think I have a slide here So so if you haven't had a chance to take a look at that Feel free to do so and if anyone is Happening to attend the meeting Very few of us are familiar with this particular conference And so it's always great to they have someone from membership participate and then bring back to the team Information that may be useful for for membership and of course, it's always great to learn Where the really good highly highly valued conferences are and so If you haven't be attending, please let me know and you know, we could set something up so that we can have you Get back With a bit of a trip report Alrighty as well. We've got a global blockchain summit happening in Westminster, Colorado And that's coming up at the beginning of October and our very own Wendy will be on that At that summit Wendy. Do you want to talk a little bit about that? Yes, I'm sure of this The global blockchain summit is it offers a wide variety of topics. It's not just healthcare and There are Trying to figure out how best to feature this there are going to be I'm going to be speaking on two panels one I'll be presenting about regulatory compliance and legal considerations or and I'm going to go through a specific case study with an attorney Michael Henson and Also serving on a panel for the future of healthcare and blockchain It's it's a fairly small summit that last year there were like maybe 75 to 100 people. So there's a great opportunity for networking. They're great vendors and Just great Educational experience Outstanding and now is this part of the the the broader GBA their global blockchain? I think it's association. It's not officially affiliated with GBA however the person who is Who founded this conference is the chapter leader for the Denver chapter leader for GBA and so There will definitely be some GBA speakers and I'm a member of GBA too and There will You'll definitely hear a flavor of GBA, but it's not officially sanctioned by GBA Gotcha. Okay. I was just just sort of tipped off by the the title of this of the the conference And so I was I was just curious about that Alrighty very good, and then we also have the Convergence to Accelerate conference, which is happening in Boston also in October So the October is going to be a busy month in effect. You can sort of infer that if you're going to be on the East Coast for either the New York or the The Boston conference you could probably shuttle back and forth So the the converge to Accelerate conference Is going to be featuring? Tony said Senja. I think is how her name is pronounced Or Senage, I think is how our name is pronounced and Tori will be speaking at an upcoming HC6 general meeting I think in the next couple of If not next this next general meeting than the one afterwards So we'll she'll be joining us and talking more about both the the conference as well as the publication that she she puts out For for blockchain in in health care development Hey, Mitch. Yes. This is my name. I learned how to pronounce her last name. Oh, yeah It's Senai Senai Yes, okay. Yes, and I will also be speaking in the at this conference as well And I will be on a panel about whether health care is ready for watching. Oh Very cool. Well, I would hope the answer is yes, but I don't want to I don't want to go too far into that Will anyone else be there? I guess maybe perhaps not so so You know, I'll put you on the spot Wendy for both both the conferences that you'll be speaking at it would be great if you can sort of come back To us with something of a trip report However, however formal or informal you'd like to make that that's fine by me But it's always great to get a sense for what the conference sort of the value is Because there's so many conferences that are out there that it'd always be great to get a there You are there it'd always be great to get sort of a sense for Whether it's something we want to you know put on our on our agendas going forward, so We can talk more down the road a bit, but yeah fantastic great great to hear Okay, any other community announcements they don't necessarily have to be conferences But anything that may be happening that you'd like to share with the community here feel free to do so anyone would like to Talk a little bit right now Typically we could use rocket chat To communicate or of course the the broader email listserv that we use that that listserv will go out to our full membership Which is over a thousand members and that's international But if you'd like to share something on the call today feel free to do so Okay, well, I'll sort of mention something in passing. It's very interesting and it is somewhat relevant I was approached by a by a television producer They produce a TV show called advantages. It's on CNBC tends to be It circulates around technology Change and it's hosted by of all people Ted Danson And so I honestly originally thought that this was something of a joke and and I I responded as much saying art is this for real and So the answer is yes, it is and I and I had a tele my first sort of Telecon with the producer. I think it was this about this time last week and It appears that we may be going forward with this And so what I'd like to do is if there's anyone on the call that has an interest in maybe participating in this, please let me know The the general gist of this is that they're looking at Trying to understand the use of black chain technologies and health care And what I'm looking for our potential Organizations or companies that may want to be part of this I'm looking at probably three or four other companies that that might be involved. I know Microsoft will Seems to be interested as does change health care And so we're we're just trying to get a sense for who might be included in this as well My understanding it well, you don't get paid for this and my understanding is this is due to air sometime in early next year So first quarter of 2020 And it is unclear. This is all very speculative at this point It's unclear as to whether or not this is truly going to happen There are other other folks that the producers are interviewing as well and it may not be specifically in the health care space But I I think I told a pretty compelling story But if you're interested feel free to contact me and we can you know sort of go forward with that again It's all purely speculative at this point, but I immediately thought of the of this of this group thinking that boy, we have tremendous resources through through membership and so I thought I'd bring it up here on our call just because those are the people that that generally are more active In membership and so I thought I'd share that here Okay, anyone else Want to talk a little bit about Something that may be related to the health care industry and the black chain technologies in specific ready Did there was Publication and Coinbase this morning and Heather Flannery posted it on LinkedIn about how consensus will be using more will be partnering with hyper ledger and So there was a flurry of posts saying that some people were going to join our hyper ledger health care special interest group. Oh Outstanding all good to hear that And if there's anyone that happens to be on the call Right now feel free to identify yourself and and welcome of course Please let us know more if any of you have seen the poster can speak more knowledge Believe that I could I read it in the car on the way here, but I don't know anything more about it Can anyone else speak to it? On link Coinbase Heather posted up Heather Heather posted the details on LinkedIn Yeah, and that's Heather Flannery of consensus And so you may want to if you if you if you're not tied to her You want to follow her that might be one way to do it because Heather is very active in that community And so yeah, she's sort of a connection Sort of the bridge and some respects to that side of of the of the health care world as it relates to a theory And and consensus specifically I Already and I had a thought and then it just escaped me so so so curses Alrighty, okay. Well, let's let's move forward then and Oh So I just figure out what the what it was. Okay, so so related to what you were saying Wendy there was some sort of chatter over on the Sort of the executive side of Hyperledger as it relates to some new projects that may be coming along that are looking to to relate increasingly closer with Ethereum, which is really good. So so we have an Association of sort between Hyperledger and Ethereum And so that that affiliation appears to be continuing to grow and in fact What you're describing when he seems to be much very much in line with with some of the some of the back-and-forth that I've been hearing on some of the other channels And list serves and so this this is a in a hole in total This sounds like a very sort of good strategic move where both organizations are actively working together Okay, so let's move ahead to subgroup updates for those that may be new We have Three subgroups and those subgroups are really very very focused in in their purpose as it relates to the topic We have a patient group a pair subgroup and then we have a fairly new health care interoperability subgroup that Stephen will be talking about momentarily Dennis who leads our patient member subgroup? Let me know that he's he's running a little bit late on the call So he did send along some details on what they've been doing. They've been very active lately, which is phenomenal So you can see up on the screen some of the notes that have been posted regarding Dennis. Oh, and Dennis is just just now getting on the call timing is everything So Dennis when you get yourself settled, just let me know and I'll hand over to you In the meantime, I'm going to loop back over to Ankit and Ankit you want to talk a little bit about the pair subgroup And a good morning everybody again I'll start with the I'm not sure rubbish may have provided an update about this before but this relates to what they've been doing in the past Couple of weeks. So I'll start with the meetup that we held in the greater Baltimore area for the pair subgroup on July of 18th and we we had some representatives from From the pair side. We also had Heather Dahl who's the CEO of sovereign they use in the For for the sovereign identity and we we had about 18 to 20 participants So we had a very meaningful discussion where we for people who were curious about blockchain We talked about that and then we talked about how it with some healthcare use cases We talked about hyper ledger and we don't we talked about engagement in general and how Blockchain can transform the industry And then since then we have had one more pair subgroup meeting We have been engaging new members and we are working towards Finalizing a use case in the pair subgroup that we can bring to the table Last week's meeting had to be cancelled because the resource traveling So summary just engaging new members working on the white paper and working on finalizing a use case Excellent. Thank you. I could and any any Conversation about sort of the the overall status of the white paper do date Anything to that order? I Am not aware of it right now. I know we have talked about I'm the meetings I have been on we have only talked about increased contribution to it I know that there have been updates to it not aware of a timeline around it. I I Am aware I am aware that we we are hoping to finalize a use case within the next month or so Okay, very good. Excellent. Thank you so much Yeah Okay All right. Well, let's let's go back to to Dennis and then we'll go to Steven because Steven's got some good information He wants to share but Dennis. Good morning and welcome Good morning. How are you doing guys? Very good lonely Just a short summary from our side we trying to fix the scope with the patient data and As I communicated with rich we try to fix it on the clinical trials and we decided also for a treatment diabetes and with variables so this will be the Title for the use case and We want to focus in the consent process after we analyze the clinical trial with patient recruitment site selection and study monitoring process Because we think this is the most repeating and the most crucial process in the clinical trials together with the protocol changes and With the new support to the group we also be Attentioned about the bridge model for the clinical trials data model. We want to take it as a reference and for the data transfer within between the electronic hospital record or the data from the providers to the electronic data collection capture We want to use the standard smart on fire and we also want to separate the data and the process execution on the world on the blockchain. These are the main decisions we made and We also want to participate in different in different Standard AP standard definitions So we contacted with the clinical pride pipe who is already providing the process for the Patient recruitment and the patient Consent we also updating and exchanging different topics and Based on that one of our team members wanted to create Github for the project and he has already The work for the bridge model reference he already made and so we want to go to Github and start our first discussions about architecture and We also find out the patient data and the whole clinical trial process. It has similarities with the health monitoring process we want to also use the experience of Patricia from Peyty Petty and So we meet in the last two weeks three times Additional to the subgroup meetings. There's a big motivation and We after we want to fix the scope after this fix the scope We also want to look into different supports from different sites and You are also very much welcome to join us it's it's very exciting and It's it's it's there is really a big support from our team members at the moment and We are also we also want to welcome any support additional to that Outstanding yeah, and and and and I'll work with you Dennis. I'm getting Access to the the hyperledger labs, which is really the sort of incubator on Github for hyperledger projects and so we'll work through that but phenomenal excellent work and thank you so much You're very much welcome Okay, Steven you want to talk about the healthcare interoperability subgroup or the his Yes Good morning everybody. I have just a few minutes. I have another meeting. I have to run too hard to stop so we have finished the initial work that required for launch of the work group initially Thought was to launch next Wednesday. I think that's too little time to give everybody notice It's a hard time because here in the United States. We have Labor Day on the second, which is the following Monday But I think I'll push the initial meeting off until next Wednesday to give people more time to coordinate their schedules It's only an initial meeting pretty much Will be introductions going through what the milestones and goals of the work group are but Yeah, I think that will meet on a two-week cadence at least initially and begins to drill through the the The requirements for building Clinical knowledge artifacts to distributed ledger that are semantically interoperable So, yeah, long time. I know everybody's doing well Any climactic but yeah, it did take a long time. I've been I'm sure everybody else has been super super busy I'm still not a hundred percent prepared, but It's not gonna get any better. I don't think so I would like to just announce that they will be launching Yeah Next month absolutely and there is an awful lot of anticipation surrounding this particular kickoff because of the content and you know, we I know we've been going back and forth an email and so if you get to a point or when you get to a point Steven where you feel like Everything is ready to go. I'd be happy to sort of, you know work with you to get the announcement out I in theory we can we can make this announcement to the full full membership group Through listserv. I think that might be one approach I also do know that over the past couple of months We've been collecting names of folks who were interested in participating in this and so, you know You could maybe do a soft start if you want to go that route as well So I'll leave that to you. Well, I think I think we just launch it I have a about eight members names and email addresses all forward those in a Email we can coordinate that you have additional names then you can add those but post everything to the listserv and Additionally to CC those individuals who've already expressed interest. Okay. All right. Yeah, let me know and then we'll go from there And so is it next week Wednesday that that's the plan or what was the final decision next week Wednesday was the initial plan I don't think that gives everybody enough time to coordinate their schedule. So I'd like to do it the week after on Wednesday Okay, so that would be the September 4th then does that sound right? Okay, very good All right, and thank you again Steven I know you've been putting on an awful lot of work in that the document that you've been putting together Has sort of matured over time and so I'm very excited and very hopeful I imagine that will we'll get an awful lot of traction on this going forward I can even tell you that In in conversations that I've had here in the Seattle area. I Mentioned in passing when we talked about interoperability The issue as it relates to semantic interoperability Because most people think about syntactic up interoperability And they don't think about the semantics the context of the issue And they get very interested very quickly because I my suspicion is most people just don't think about that So this I think is going to be an interesting topic to focus around because it is in part technical but Largely this on the semantic side of the equation. This is still a very very difficult problem to solve And so yep, I I just I anticipate a lot of interest around this Okay, well, we'll see Send you an email we'll get this ready. I think everything's pretty much ready. I'm not going to make any more changes to the website Maybe do some touch up over the weekend, but yeah, I think it's about ready to go Yeah, and in fact, yeah, I'll bring that up here. So so people that are interested We've got the charter all lined up and ready to go and so yeah Phenomenal very good Okay, and and thank you Steven. Have a great weekend. I know you're off to another meeting. So thank you so much. Thanks everybody Okay, and so so those were our three subgroups and you know You sort of get a sense for that for those of you there that are newer to the to the group as well We also have ad hoc teams that we we sort of facilitate here as well We have a wiki redesign team that ravish tends to tends to lead That is really sort of an ongoing issue which really relates to our confluence wiki pages here And so if you happen to be on the call and you have an interest in And some level of experience with confluence. We are always looking for people to help out with sort of managing the design the overall design of this of our particular Confluence wiki site as well as the the other pages and the other Special interest groups and working groups as well And the the general reason for this is we're looking for a consistent design that we can all use So that if new members are coming into the hyper ledger community They may not necessarily have an interest in health care Or maybe it's peripheral or incidental, but they want to move between special interest groups And even some other the working groups which tend to be more technical Then we want to have a way to have a design that that really makes that ease Kind of a primary issue So if if you happen to be on the call and you are a confluence person, please contact me We could we could get you set up with helping to work some of the design issues there Already we have an academic research team And that's sort of gone sideways for quite some time Adrian Berg is our lead for that. He's been busy. I believe he's still on academic leave or Something to that effect. I'll have to double-check on that and And so we we may I may take this off the list for now just because it's been very quiet for the past couple months We may pick that up again I know Wendy you and I have worked aspects of this research team as well and the the sort of The the intersection there is the academic component of that Which really spun out The the use case development team which now Wendy you you lead You want to give us an update on some of the work that's happening there? Yeah, so our our obstacle for moving forward had been obtaining templates from The Linux foundation so that we could best coordinate with them to promote our use cases and to feature our use cases on the hyper ledger of Linux foundation websites and They kept postponing the meetings But there's a meeting on Monday afternoon Where or morning where I hope to participate and learn more about what templates they could provide to us And that we can maintain the same look and structure and that way they be better integrated into The hyper ledger and Linux foundation system. So more to come probably in the next meeting Yeah, and thank you Wendy for sort of pursuing that it It has been It's been an interesting ride and to be really honest. I think part of this is We're really sort of Stirring up part of the community leadership folks The way that hyper ledger works at a very high level is that it's part of Linux foundation So they're an awful lot of shared resources between Hyper ledger and the Linux foundation which which tends to be a clearinghouse for all the other projects that Linux foundation hosts and so, you know every so often we'll ask a question and I think it tends to Tends to put people Back on their heels a little bit and they go well gee that's a that's why they asking such a hard question So I but I am absolutely convinced and I know you are too Wendy that this is this is of value And it has a lot of merit in measure because really what we're looking to do is develop templates that are of immediate use that can be applicable throughout the the community and That are consistent and that's probably one of the big issues with use cases is they don't get They don't they don't find the suitable context And so they they they're very hard to sort of understand and so having a common template and a way to do this in a consistent And and sort of regular manner makes an awful lot of sense. So I'm happy to see that happen When you do want to talk for newer folks that are on the call you want to talk a little bit about what what you're doing within the team I'm sure so we had identified as a healthcare special interest group that That there was a lot of interest in learning more about practical use cases and These are the types of questions that Team members get at conferences for example Rich had shared at the last hymns conference that people kept coming up to the table and asking for information about how Blockchain can be better you utilized in health care I wanted to give them a document that they could walk away with think about maybe even bring back to their organizations We met as a small team Volunteers with comprised of members of the special interest group to identify how we would present use cases and Which use cases that we found to be most pertinent right now and I can't remember all of them off the top of my head But I know that one was drug supply chain another reds credentialing Can't remember the rest but We also identified that we we wanted to keep it within the scope of What the hyper ledger has already been putting out there, which is a template that's about five pages So it's not real deep, but it contains enough detail to get people interested and excited and wanting to learn more Yeah, yeah, I think that's that spot on the real driver is really coming from from folks Outside of the organization who really want to understand how blockchain technologies are used and the way that they are asking these questions Is by way of trying to understand if there are use cases available that they can look at And so in some respects, you know, the value of use case is really understanding a concept in In context and that's the real strength of that And so one of the things that we've noticed is that we we simply are just efficient in that respect Early early on and this is several years ago. We we developed some very Rudimentary use cases that were they had very little structure to them and there was no There was no real use to it and so I think the approach this time around is much more formalized much more mature and And the fact that Wendy you particularly have an interest in driving this with your background That that's so so closely what it to academia is going to be extremely helpful because we have so many people in the healthcare industry who are really Sort of driven with the requirement that anything that is done is Sort of done in a very process oriented and objective manner and so the use cases that That this team is putting together are going to really sort of emphasize that aspect of of you know that level of rigor And so i'm very happy to see that this this moves forward and and i'm very hopeful for that meeting next week monday So thank you for that wendy Okay any thoughts comments as we move into some old business So so at last meeting i brought up a couple of different health care funding opportunities And those are listed here We can i'll walk through them very briefly, but i touched on them a little bit more at our last meeting The upshot is in general. We occasionally have option opportunities Primarily here in the u.s. But that's not exclusively true. Unicef for example is international hhs and nih are both us national organizations What what occurs is we oftentimes have the opportunity as as smaller organizations smaller companies To respond to what are called Sibbers and sitters and oh gosh. I can never remember. I should really write this down Sibbers are small business Blah blah blah some things and sitters are the equivalent, but they include academia in in the in the mix And the way that the government does this is they generate opportunities called solicitations And i'm listing some of those here These are not necessarily all health care related necessarily Or I should say it not necessarily black chain related, but the idea would be to use possibly use black chain technologies as the solution For the for the for the problem that's being presented by way of the solicitation So hhs is is pretty significant in size. And so what you see here are listings for some opportunities Again, these are either Sibbers or sitters and so My background Is mostly government with some health care We've done an awful lot of proposal writing as it relates to both Sibbers and sitters and I can tell you Sibber is really just that just you as a small business and the definition of small businesses. I believe still 150 employees or fewer, which is pretty significant. You know A company with a hundred folks to me is not a small business, but that's okay Yeah, and then a sitter is is engaging that small business engaging in academic institution And so that's a little bit more difficult to do because there's a little bit more Coordination that has to happen there So so what we're looking at here are the solicitations through hhs As well. We have any n i h National Institutes of Health. They also have Solicitations available and so here's a listing for that as well and feel free to to peruse these as you see fit And then finally the one that I wanted to bring up also was unicef Unicef being international has opportunities That generally focus around Helping children and that's their mission and so that's where the focus tends to be But the great thing here is it's international And so if you have an interest in participating With again in theory with a blockchain solution to solve problems as it relates to to children perhaps healthcare as it relates to children unicef may be the way to go And the way that unicef works is you you have to have sort of a small business already pretty well established a startup established And they're willing to fund the idea if the idea is appropriate to the mission statement for unicef And so the website here you can sort of drill down and get additional details as it relates to the opportunities that are presented here Alrighty any questions or thoughts as it relates To funding opportunities, and if you happen to come across any additional funding opportunities Please feel free to share them One of the things that we found out and and steven was on the call earlier, but It turns out that steven's company was able to respond To a silver opportunity a couple months ago And so and that was by way of of of an incidental mention In an earlier general meeting earlier this year So I wanted to sort of keep that going because this may be of interest to folks That are part of our health care community here on hyper ledger Questions or thoughts I went in this is anthony Good morning, anthony. This is my second meeting. So I'm there's not a lot but you mentioned about The use cases that you're the work group that you're working on. Yes. I'm at the front line of health care. I'm a health care provider Um, I was wondering if there's an opportunity to connect and kind of see if we can't Discuss some of the opportunities or how I can participate if possible. That would be fantastic Yeah, I'll reach out to you Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you so much anthony for that and yeah Very very much appreciated. So thank you Okay, uh, and then uh, really lastly for for any new business I don't have anything new necessarily to bring up Today, uh, but I always keep an open question here Which is really if there's anything that you'd like to talk about or topics that you'd like to table as as they relate to the The hc sig this this group Feel free to let me know And I'd be happy to facilitate and make make that happen Offhand I'm trying to think of anything new that's been happening My background is in kidney care. And I think I may have mentioned this at the last meeting We had a significant announcement By president trump at the meeting of of july as it relates to kidney care. And so this is something that we're We're we're following very closely That's through hhs and it's called the advancing american kidney health and so that that the driver for that is to Bring down the cost of kidney care Particularly as it relates to dialysis and kidney transplant For those of you that may not be completely familiar the way that our government operates Uh through hhs is uh cms cms runs Medicare and Medicaid but Medicare is Provided to to persons In renal failure, which means dialysis treatments are covered through Medicare As well as the first three years of kidney transplant And I believe if I recall correctly Um About one fifth of the total budget allocated for uh, Medicare goes to To kidney care. And so they're looking at ways to offset the cost of that So this is significant to in the kidney care space. And of course, I'm always thinking about ways to to Apply blockchain technologies to solving some of the problems in the kidney care space But if there's anything else, uh, that that you have an interest in feel free to let me know And like I said, we'd we'd I'd be happy to find a way to facilitate that Highlight that of course we can also use listserv or rocket chat as ways to communicate that to of membership as well Okay, uh, any other thoughts or questions? So our next meeting is going to be in two weeks. Um, and that's on uh, September 6 and I'm going to jump ahead and do our draft. I think we have a speaker. I think that might be Yeah, so that's going to be tori And it's senai wendy. Is that correct? Senai senai. Okay, perfect. Okay. So that isn't that isn't two weeks. So tori will be our guest speaker She is founder publisher of blockchain and healthcare today, which is a great publication. In fact, I think wendy you're associated with that now No, um, not with that journal but with um frontiers and Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you for the cover. Yes. Thank you um as well, uh, tori, uh, is Driving the converge to uh to excel rate conference, which we talked about earlier, which which wendy is talking at And so it'll be really great conversation With tori because she really has kind of a pulse on a lot of the media that's happening as it relates to Blockchain technology and healthcare. So so that'll be in in two weeks. So we'll have our special guest in two weeks And that'll be tori Already any other Yes Yeah, one last question and uh apology if you have covered this already but they But the use cases for that wendy is leaving and then there are the use cases for The various subgroups. I'm curious if we have a mechanism to prevent the duplication Or actually encourage collaboration between the two or are these not related at all? So, uh Can I give an answer? Yeah, go ahead Dennis. Yeah, sure It's a wonderful point a fair point. Uh, surely we are also cooperating with wendy and We I we have already guidelines and feedbacks from wendy in The definition of our use case the thing is It's also a collaboration between different individuals so It's a mixture of different experiences And uh, wendy's work is very much welcome. I have already read from her side Different feedbacks and I really appreciate it Yeah, and and I'll let it I'll let wendy address this But I'll just add that really what wendy and her team are doing is they're developing best practices as it relates to use cases And they're using specific use cases to sort of demonstrate that So but but and the the intent of that would be of course to to share that But I think wendy, uh, you want to talk a little bit more about I think you touched on this some of the use cases that you're looking to develop initially Yeah, um, I'm afraid I can't remember them all at the top of my head, but um, some of these cases involve, uh, drug supply chain credentialing I I'm sorry that I can't remember them. No, no, and I feel bad. I don't remember either and I ought to so but but the point I think is that uh, your choice of use cases are independent of the subgroups, but uh, but the the intent of the work that's being done is really to to provide sort of a best practices approach and in fact, you have this really outstanding, uh, uh PDF file That is an it was really a great resource. In fact, I ought to push that to the to the wiki. So that's a lot more visible That's great. Yeah, we've sent it out periodically. It's an article by horse trouble meyer it was published in front for blockchain and In may and the topic is about the difference between The different levels of evidence and science and use cases And he describes the differences between use cases and case studies very eloquently And it has continued to push toward case studies So that we can meet the evidence-based practice standard that many academic organizations are requesting I see Yeah, that that makes those And I could I could tell you I'll just I'll just say yeah that that trouble meyer paper is really a great read I mean, you know I don't I don't go out of my way to say how great, uh white papers are but this really was very well done And it's it's just a really really interesting read. It's one of these things where you really go. Wow. Now. I actually can make use Better use of understanding what the definition of use cases because it's so well well presented That that makes sense and I'm going to look at look it up. Also, I think it answered my question I think I was just going at the superficial terminology of just use cases But if you know if you have work that we are doing to essentially create a framework like if in best practices How best can we define something that obviously really helps our research and work to and I'm sorry if I didn't see to I hope I did not derail the conversation I attended this one at a rather short notice and I'll read up more and And create my depth to less to the work that we are doing with the support Oh, no, it's a it was a great question And it's just a reminder to me that we probably need to get that triple Meyer paper more prominently posted up on the wiki. I know we have it in the Out on the google doc site But i'm thinking uh wendy maybe If it's okay, we can maybe post that up on the wiki and and perhaps On kit is there a way you can contact wendy and she'll maybe she can hand Send you a copy of of that trouble a link to the to the trouble liner paper Just so that it is Open access and so ideally what we should do is provide a link to the publisher's website so that they can also track the number of downloads Yeah, that's what I was thinking right right right, okay Okay, well very good. I could that was a very good very good question and uh, I'm glad uh, yeah I'm glad you you spoke up on that point because I think the work that wendy and her team are doing is really Spot on and really helps to define best practices in the use case space and that trouble Meyer paper is you know is really Very valuable in this context Okay, thank you. Any other questions or thoughts? All right. Well, we're gonna end it just a little bit early today, but uh, thank you so much for your participation Yeah, hey, can you guys hear me? This is erica I'm just walking through the airport. So oh, hey erica. Yeah. Hey um, I was trying to interject earlier I just wanted to announce that um, I'm the lead ambassador for blockchain and healthcare today for the colorado region and so I'll be um, kind of recruiting other healthcare providers to develop develop a community to um, just kind of bring some awareness and education around blockchain and healthcare and also um, some awareness around the journal blockchain healthcare today, which Tori leaves and will be presenting uh next week or in two weeks at the next meeting. So I just wanted to make that announcement Oh, excellent. Well, congratulations erica and great great to know that. Thanks very much for the announcement Yeah, and uh, you know, one of the things that Tori and I talked about a while ago in preparation for Her presentation in two weeks is finding a way to better sort of integrate Some of the work that's being done here through the hc sig membership and Some of the stuff that that Tori's been doing as in terms of sort of media resources In the in the blockchain space and so it'd be great that we sort of you know, maybe you could help facilitate that sort of integration and And maybe education in some respects of how we might best use make Make best use of of the resources that that Tori has put to us Yeah, that'd be my pleasure. I would certainly be available to that Excellent. Well, well, thank you for that erica Thank you Alrighty, uh, well if there's nothing more, uh, thank you so much for participating today Have a great weekend and we will see you in two weeks Great. Bye everyone. Bye. Thank you everyone Thank you