 Some things that we are now, right? We are the children Now that yet now We are the ones who make a brighter day so trending right now on Gawker family of websites is a story about a woman called the cops It's a story a White lady who called the cops on a family of black people for Charcoaling in the wrong area of the park around Lake Merritt What? Oh? That's that's just go Immediately there are two things that I think of number one it Living in a white neighborhood in Oakland it's have I seen this woman It's where in the park is this where around Lake Merritt did this happen? No charcoal grilling in my lake It'll put your charcoal out. That's why I'd be on the side I think it might actually be like right across the street. No no kidding. Yeah Cross the street from the ice cream place Well, I don't want to get too into it. No, I know that's why you that's why I use that No, this is I would literally just save the address but Ashley has rightly beaten it to me that I shouldn't be so forth All right, you guys ready Do those Would you care to read the pre-roll Justin you already have online three. All right. There we go three two Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday May 10th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from the shores of Lake Merritt I'm Justin Robert Young and ladies and gentlemen. We are sad to say Sarah Lane has the day off But our producer Roger Chang Still kicking still right here. I never leave stop kicking people Please it's becoming an issue human resources has been alerted This serves as an official warning. Yeah, exactly Well, hey folks. We have a fun show full of technological advancements and Thorny philosophical issues. So let's start with a few tech things you should know Spotify said it will stop promoting the artist R. Kelly is part of its editorial and algorithmic playlist Spotify concert partnered with advocacy groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center glad Muslim advocates and the international network Against cyber hate to help inform and a monitoring tool called Spotify audio watch to flag hate content Apple announced it's canceling its project to build a data center in Authentery, Ireland due to delays in the approval process a Second data center in Denmark that they kind of kicked off at the same time is almost completed Opposition in Ireland centered around a strain on the power grid although Apple kept arguing that it would use renewables It would know for build Apple did win a court case in the Irish High Court in October But uncertainty about appeals to the Supreme Court caused the company to just say, you know what we're just cancelled this I mean like, you know, you want to know what guys we're just gonna leave so we'll expand our office in cork to make up for it But we're not doing the data. Yeah Well, if you want to find us we'll be at our tax haven Korea Fair Trade Commission Chief Kim Sang-jo told reporters that Samsung's current ownership structure is not sustainable Samsung Group uses circular shareholding to interlock Samsung C&T Samsung life insurance and Samsung electronics Kim urged vice chairman J Y Lee to make a decision concerning the ownership structure. That's rumblings Going after the cables See very interested in how that's gonna turn out. All right, let's talk about net neutrality The United States FCC said its repeal of the open internet guidelines of 2015 will officially go into effect June 11 You may say Tom, I thought you said they were already published They were the order was published in the federal register on February 22nd Usually publishing in the federal register makes something go into effect But it did not go into effect because the office of management and budget needed to complete its paperwork reduction act review. I Know I already is not lost by any of us The United States Senate however is set to vote as early as next week on whether to reject the FCC repeal of the net neutrality Rules even if it passes the Senate, which is gonna be tight It's probably not gonna pass the house even if past the house probably get vetoed But those open internet guidelines of 2015 Deadline June 11th on June 11th says Ajit Pai We will have a framework in place that encourages innovation and investment in our nation's network So that all Americans no matter where they live can have access to better cheaper and faster internet access and the jobs Opportunities and platform for free expression that it provides so starting June 11th Justin Oh speeds is gonna start going up according to Ajit Pai well On average, they probably will still go up, right? Who knows exactly how much that will have to do with also starting June 11th The repeal of these net neutrality guidelines will cause cause large reasons of the country to get warmer and warmer for months Wow, are you just looking for emails today? I don't know Yeah, oh you're talking about summer. Okay, never yet. No, no, I wasn't yeah, you're right I shouldn't have gone with warmer because that tips off climate change I just mean like it's summer. The sun's gonna be out. There we go summer time in the livings easy Look, these are obviously controversial decisions We won't know exactly how they affect anything until we see what happens before what what happens going through here But this is something where I believe you should be holding these companies feed to the fire if if The guidelines that were there before we're preventing The unleashed power of our American telcos and internet providers then Congratulations wild stallions you can run free on June 11th We look forward to the vast bounty of innovation. Yeah, let's let's keep an eye on that, you know I mean, obviously it's not gonna happen June 12th. But yeah within a year or two. We should be able to see effects Okay, we'll be watching the US FAA approved 10 of 149 proposals for commercial drone projects Among the projects are one for medical deliveries by zipline which has operated in Rwanda for years a mosquito control plan in Florida a partnership with the Choctaw Nation in, Oklahoma and CNN the food delivery or sorry food delivery in North Carolina proposals for Sorry from Amazon and DJI were not accepted Data from those projects will form the basis of a regulatory framework for future commercial uses Yeah, it's very tempting to person to anthropomorphize the FAA here and say oh is the FAA thumb in their nose at Jeff Bezos Not giving Amazon and also I saw a lot of people connecting the dots in North Carolina I don't think it's the food delivery project I think there's a separate North Carolina project for mapping might be the same project that involves Apple Apple getting getting in on that It's not it wasn't Apple's proposal, but they're cooperating with it So you know the headlines are reading Apple gets approved and Amazon doesn't it's not exactly what's going on Except for the Amazon doesn't I mean their their proposal did not get approved. It doesn't mean they'll never get approved It means they're not one of the first 10 To test the waters so the FAA can collect data This is a great story for daily tech news show listeners because folks who have been listening to this program for long enough Understand the idiosyncratic and oftentimes Incomplete way that the FAA has handled the you know regulatory process of drones. So this is I very much Echo your opinion that let's not look. It's not like Ted FAA was like, oh, I love Apple and I hate Amazon I Will sit down on my Apple TV tonight and throw my fire TV in the trash. Yeah, it's not what's going on it's not that and and and I Would not read much into this beyond the fact the positive step that at least there are licensing for some of these drone projects and and That's been a huge Impediment to I think the increased reasonable use of these devices. Yeah, the criticism of the FAA here is that they move too slow Not that they're being Unwise that they're being over cautious and I'll be honest when you're talking about aviation I think we all prefer them to err on the side of caution. It's just how far 10 out of 149 You could make it argument. Well, that's a really small amount, but again being over cautious. They're like, let's let's pick some very representative projects. We've got FedEx working on Airport security with the Memphis County Airport Authority for instance, that's gonna put drones near airplanes. Let's not do too many of those Let's do one of those see how that goes monitor that. I think that's a smart approach May you should they have done 20 or 30 of these? Yeah, maybe but there is a line and they said at a time And also the FAA an organization that obviously deals with very very very important high-stakes businesses There could be an argument to say that maybe another Branch of the FAA to deal specifically with this kind of more agile Burgeoning industry would be Something that could happen, but look we have what we have and at least 10 got approved Yeah, and and maybe a new branch comes out of the data they collect with these 10. Sure. Yeah a report from Disrupt Africa shows the agri-tech market in Africa grew 110% this past year more than 19 million dollars in investments were made in the sector 82 agri-tech startups were in operation across Africa by the start of 2018 52% of them launched within the past two years Kenya and Nigeria are tied as the top two Agricultural tech markets Ghana's in third. They're generally e-commerce like Selling buying and selling allowing farmers to to buy equipment stuff like that That makes up about a third of the startups then there's info-sharing and some FinTech one of the interesting financial tech Agricultural startups in Africa is livestock wealth which sells shares in cows in South Africa And they're calling it crowd farming That's amazing that's fantastic. So yes dairy farmers in the Midwest you can laugh but Livestock ownership is a big deal in some regions in some countries And and so this is this is akin to Bitcoin in a way like ooh, you mean I could I could actually own livestock That's kind of a status symbol. I Mean sure Not only is it something that you can hang on your you know Hang on your wall and and feel good about yourself But it's another way that farmers which you're you know, we're we are in uncertain times for for farming Not only abroad but also here in America and another way that if you can make extra money faster in in a fairly cyclical I Mean literally cyclical business Market like farmers are in then that's great I mean, I'm sure that there are plenty of farmers that might be behind on a bill or two that would like to you know Virtually, you know sell a share of their cow that they would then pay back, you know, they pay dividends on later That'd be great. Yeah, if I have it right and I may not Livestock wealth actually either operates or works with ranches to say, okay, these are the cows that we will we will sell shares of And then they're kind of the middleman on that and they fund the ranches And collect the money from the investors and then pay it back out when when when the cows are turned into beef like that's the That's the deal, right? They're their tagline on their website is shares are complicated cows are easy I Can't get over how brilliant this is this is I mean it sounds funny at first but People are eating a lot of meat They certainly are Certainly are Tom and now you can own a share of it They're saying they're saying they get about 12.4% return on investment I mean that's It's reliable investment. I don't know think like a financial scandal with the cows would be called Like insider milking or yeah, yeah, I think that's I think that's good. I'm trying to think of it, you know Ponzi scheme pun, but I just can't Old McDonald was a rain today on charges of Other corruption We got it. We got it finally Researcher Amanda D. Hanford at Pennsylvania State University has created a device that can route sound waves around an object making it invisible to techniques like sonar Hanford Entertainment created a Metamaterial whose unit cell is smaller than the acoustic wavelengths used to deflect it The metamaterial could deflect sound waves underwater, which is very difficult Yeah, they've been able to do a version of this through air, but never through water till now So of course everybody's calling it an invisibility cloak and then everybody reads the story is like boots sound. That's dumb It's not dumb This this has Definite military uses, right? I'm shocked that we're hearing about it to be right. Yeah, like I'm sure someone at the DOD has contacted Professor Hanford and said hey Maybe come work for us now or this is something that has been done, right? Yeah, no, but this is a more commercial application of it. Either one. This is an academic application. There's no commercial application My commercial I just meant non-government, but yeah, absolutely. I think it's it's Fascinating I would love to know more of exactly how this works plus if you want to hide from bats Dressing this metamaterial old McDonald on the lam from the other corruption charges has now hid amongst the bats He's got his sonar invisibility cloak. Yeah, this is this is pretty great stuff And it's and it's just a metal It's a metamaterial metal so so again they make the the unit Molecules so small that the sound waves just I mean for lack of a better explanation to slip by it That's fascinating me. All right the content of 3519 Facebook ads said to have been financed by Russia's internet research agency were released by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee on Thursday the ads dated from between 2015 and 2017 and seem designed to attract people from all sides of emotional issues I think this is the most important part of this release It wasn't pointing a finger. It was showing like hey, were you for gun control or against gun control? Guess what? It doesn't matter you got targeted by these ads immigration gay rights The list goes on files published Thursday show the text of each ad the number of impressions and the number of clicks Representative Adam Schiff who was instrumental in getting them released said quote the only way we can begin to inoculate ourselves against a future attack Is to see first hand the types of messages themes and imagery the Russians used to divide us Okay, all right um So where do we start I Mean what I know where we want to end because we've got a great wired story about like self-policing your use of tech Yeah, so where we start I think is Just short, you know, we start with if you've already listened to p3x And you know the political angle on this and the finger pointing What can we bipartisan wise pull out of this as tech users to say well Hold on maybe it wasn't meant to achieve a result other than to make us angry Is that fair to say or not? I think This very clearly to me and and these are this is where all this information has been leading and and now we see the ads themselves This these ads were designed to do nothing more than try to rev as high and and engage ability That they could right they were using Facebook's algorithm to see how far they could spread these messages and I even think that there is Beyond the war the the mental war games of trying to divide a populace by playing on their political fears There's also an element of this that I think that we haven't really thought about which is Maybe they just found that the things that engage the most are Politics and this is about trying to spread messages However, they can and trying to gather data as You know as much as they can and the method by which they did this was just that Politics stuff gets spread further faster by way of playing with with Facebook's rules of Engaging liking commenting how long they're staying on and this is what generates all that churn Again, I think that this was for political games, you know to divide us but the idea of how they did it is Exactly how Media has done it. It's exactly how politicians themselves do it and for Adam Schiff To say, you know, the only way that we can begin to inoculate ourselves against the future attack is to see the first-hand types of messages themes and imagery that The Russians used to divide us then I'm gonna take that to mean That he himself or his party or the opposition party will now cease and assist with writing misleading fundraising emails Misleading Facebook posts that are there to generate the exact same engagement that the Russians used because Like when when fundraising go look at what fundraising emails if you don't subscribe to fundraising things They are what they this is what the Russians were doing This is this is where we are at in terms of politics So, you know, if we want to point at them and say the Russians didn't invent incendiary a Content to you derive political action. They learned it from watching us I really quickly want to go back to you the point you made that I think is very important Which is we don't know that they wanted to sway an election We don't know that they even wanted to make people angry and divided they may have been happy about that. I Always hear that phrase data is the new oil Why did Cambridge Analytica break the terms of service to steal data from professor Cogan because they wanted the data? What does every AI? Projects say they need more of to make machine learning work better data What is movie past banking on to eventually turn the tide of their negative cash flow data? Yeah, maybe all this is about is like do stuff that gets people to click as much as possible because we want that data You have the more things we can do 100% and and I I have not really seen that talked about In in in a lot of places, but it seems like it makes sense to me Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to Daily Tech headlines on the Amazon echo Google Home and as a podcast all in anchor or at Daily Tech headlines dot com Now one positive aspect of shifts message was hey if you know this stuff is out there And you see examples of it when now when you see another version of it if it slips past the net You may be less likely to fall for it because you know what to look for And there's a really good article on Wired today that talks about that a lot of tech companies attention is now focused on helping you control yourself in What you consume online how long you spend on your devices? Facebook is doing things like branding political ads trying to restrict who can buy the political ads They're doing all kinds of things Google flat-out stopped running ads during Ireland's abortion referendum Political ads anyway, and at Google I owe this week We talked about the fact that Google has all these digital well-being initiatives things like the dashboard that helps you become aware of your usage Robin Gonzalez at Wired looked at what research we've actually done on so-called digital well-being and what it says I want to run through three examples that he cites Justin. Let's start with the first one How you act is important not just the amount of time and dashboards great Knowing how much time you spend is probably gonna help you reduce it because you may spend more time than you think In fact, some studies have showed just that but Facebook internal research suggests that people who spend time Passively consuming information feel worse afterward whereas people who engage with others Experience the opposite feeling they felt better. Yeah All right So I would go through all three of these what's your reaction to that one which is the study shows Hey, if you're it's not guaranteed, but if you're online talking to people and having interactions Yeah, you probably end up saying yeah, no that was fun I feel good after that if you're just reading things you probably end up saying my life sucks or I'm angry Yeah, it makes sense to me I mean social interactions a very important part although you would make the argument that Sometimes something like a Twitter can combine both of those things to the worst possible effect, right? There's their anecdotally at least it seems like people are but that's the key here That's I actually jumped up and down there for a second. Yeah is this is a study like we have a lot of anecdotes We have no end of anecdotes people saying well, you know what they need to do Yeah, you don't this is this is one point of data granted We need a lot more and that's kind of the end point of all this is we need a lot more research on the effects This stuff is having well, but it's not as simple as we'll just put the phone down, right? No, there's also this Google can turn your apps gray To help you wind down so they're less interesting like oh, it's a gray Apple I don't care anymore because it's gray. It looks like a 50s movie and I'm getting sleepy a Handful of studies do suggest that warm tones interfere less with your sleep than cool ones That's why iOS actually does the orange glow at night, but there's similar research lacking on grayscale We don't know if grayscale does anything Yeah, this is one of those things that I I can't even kind of guess it makes sense to me Seems legit All right, let's finish up with the last one notifications, right? Everybody's like oh notifications too many notifications notification overload You got a match my notifications. Give me more control over notifications. I Am guilty of being the guy who says we'll just turn them off Don't turn on notifications and they won't bug you but it turns out that is just as bad computer scientist Louise Rello of Carnegie Mellon's Human Computer Interaction Institute found that disabling notifications Left some test subjects feeling less stressed and more productive during work hours But more anxious in their off-time so during work the notifications bugged them and took them out of their zone But in their off-time they felt like they were missing out. They're like, I don't know what's going on in the world I got no notifications. Oh my gosh, the stuff happened and I didn't see it the American Psychology Association's Conference of Technology Mind and Society found that test subjects who received their notifications in batches three times a day Reported they felt significantly happier more focused and less stressed than those who received notifications as usual or not at all So in other words the magic Balance point here was to get your notifications in bundles at regular intervals. That is fascinating All right. Can we can we do larger points on? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Let's finish up with some larger points here. All right larger points number one I think that this is very much an outgrowth in terms of like Google's interest in it Here in Silicon Valley, there are plenty of you know digital detox and summer camps and Daybreaker dances wherein cutting yourself off from technology is looked at as something that is Positive that you are like returning to some, you know pre-internet world where you were happier All these things are to me Examples of how we are evolving past the idea that we have this ability and this is to me has always been typified by Instagram the way that we have always thought people who've grown up with the internet and Knew what it was before and knew what it was as it was being built have been Fascinated by the lengths to which the internet can work for us. Oh my god Photos used to be precious now photos can be infinite I want to save every photo I ever take there's an Instagram Look it I'm gonna be so excited to go back and see my first Instagram photo People who grow up with these tools say ah geez no no no no I want to keep the best 10 photos on my Instagram and Delete everything because the permanence is not fascinating to me And so that's where I see like these notifications Before it's like oh wait somebody wants somebody can talk to me right now as soon as I post something Somebody can say something back. I'm so excited for it But I wonder whether or not the idea of these like three times a day mail drops are Are going to be preferable to people as as we get more of these tools But that that's the difference to me is I love the idea of saying well That's an interesting finding in a study. It seems like three bundles is the best Let's do some more study to kind of figure out why that is or if there's some other cause of that Etc that sounds promising to me versus hey, we turn your app gray because we think that might help you relax Yeah, yeah, no I I agree with that. I think that there's a lot of Understanding and honesty to be to be frank that we have to be not only with people who take these studies but ourselves in terms of understanding how we interact with this stuff beyond the fact that like I think there's There's a fear that if I let it go it'll go away and And that is to me a symptom of a populace that knew a world before it and even if it's illogical Fears that it'll go away It'll just like you know Oh, well then I won't be into all these things that I'm into. I'm losing these tendrils into these communities I remember relatives when I was very young Kind of saying well, you guys depend too much on electricity, right? How crazy is that? Yeah Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them a daily tech news show dot Reddit comm and facebook comm slash group slash daily tech news show a couple of mail bags to get to Frons our patron in the Philippines says hey DTS crew yesterday. You wondered how Walmart buying flipkart might benefit from it Here's my perspective as a JavaScript developer ever since the release of progressive web apps Flipkart has been the poster child for it now Walmart on the other hand has been an avid user of JavaScript Migrating their old back-end application to a JavaScript one if you think about it Those two companies can really learn a lot from each other flipkart learning the back-end side and Walmart the front-end and Progressive web app side in my opinion. It's less of a business decision and more of an aqua hire But that's just me Salamat Frans for sending that in and then Dave from two damn sunny not enough rainy Los Angeles says hello DTS team wanted to bring up another potential target for valves steam link apps set top boxes for a lot of people myself included our Best screen is not necessarily connected to our desktop computer and hauling it into the living room Just play video games is more than a little impractical But if I could launch the steam link app on my fire TV and connect a couple of Bluetooth controllers I can play fortnight on my home theater setup without having to plant a dedicated desktop in my living room I can even attach a fire TV stick to a projector and have a game night in the backyard for me This is a much more exciting prospect than squeezing a desktop game onto a five to six inch screen with touch controls Nice. 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Oh, yeah, I did that the last two days. So I gave it a rest and I'll do it again tomorrow Yeah, if you're gonna be in Sydney Huh, why are you gonna give it a rest people need to know the one to plug the book? Like I'm ball. It's your show baby. Yeah, you got to put a limit on it somewhere or people just get there like I can't Hear I can't hear it anymore But yeah, Sydney May 15th at 6 p.m. And Hart's pub Melbourne Tuesday May 22nd 6 p.m. At Bart, Veronica It's also pinned at the top of my Twitter Sydney and Melbourne Melbourne Melbourne Melbourne Australia Melbourne speech Melbourne So that's not a meetup this is a meetup ah Oh good, you know it the R. Kelly thing is interesting Specifically in the idea that they have just removed it from algorithmic and curated Surge right they didn't pull his music, right? I think that would be a bigger deal people like oh censorship you're banning him like no We're just not promoting it. I Wonder whether or not we will begin to see similar Stuff for let's say Netflix, right? You know, there are hmm. There are many directors and you're like house of cards Comes to mind particularly, right? Well, I mean that would be a specific Example but also, you know, well, what about you'll Cosby film, right? Polanski, I don't know if he has anything on that fancy. Yeah, sure exactly like I don't know of Chinatown's on Netflix, but Would he get? Recommended to you, you know, would it still show up in your would you like to watch again? And it's an interesting approach because it says look if you are the kind of person who has no problem with this You will probably go looking for it It'll be like what Roman Polanski movies are there and you'll search and it'll come up in search So we're not gonna remove it But if you're the kind of person who does have a problem and we shove it in your face with a with a suggestion Then you're gonna get angry So it's it's a little bit amoral, right to be like really we just don't want to upset people. I mean Silicon Valley gets a lot of crap because they are simultaneously Trying to write the new morality for a digital age whilst at the same time Trying to not upset their users because they very much depend on interaction and growth and This is I think one of many examples to come of of where Where is the moral compass of? blank platform how my backpack Yes, is this moral compass in tops backpack the answer will surprise you Will Bob May will What are we calling this Roger make money until the cows come home Like it There's also utter corruption, but yeah, that's good, too By the way take a wild guess as to How much it costs to get into one of these daybreaker events? I'm gonna go with utter corruption because it's shorter and I like them Please spell utter UDD. Yeah UDD ER a cow letter not yeah Oh How much is good to get into it? What is a daybreaker event again? Is that when you put your life on hold? Leave yourself on at the door kind of thing Yes, it is a party a booze free and I think I don't know if it's tech free. It might it's definitely booze free Okay But I think it is encouraged that you are connecting with people So I don't know if it's a long does it last is it like a week or a weekend It's a morning. That's the idea. They're charging at least 500 bucks Well, geez, I'd tell you what don't give many ideas Roger That it is it is yoga or a workout at nine and then a two-hour booze free Dance party in the morning morning. Okay, sounds like preschool and you start your day with Intention is what your daughter. No, that's totally what my daughter does. This is preschool All right, so how much Let's go yoga class right there. You're talking 90 bucks. So to make it seem like a value. I'd say 199 I'll tell you what man, and now we're just doing an ad for 40 bucks at the door 40 Yoga class cost you more than that Well, because there it's not a real yoga. It's just a session. It's a yoga session and there's no booze So that I think that's the other part. I was forgetting. Yeah, wait a minute. Do they do the Silicon Valley? So this thing happens every day then It's fairly often But they run in many Many cities up to and including according to their website coming up Daybreaker parties in Austin, Chicago, Los Angeles, Paris, Washington, DC and Boulder So I am out of the loop on daybreaker parties. I never get invited to the daybreaker parties This 40 dollars Yeah more than I would pay Sure It's less than I thought they'd be soaking Silicon Valley, but then when you tell me like oh, they're in Austin It's like, okay. So this is a kind of a special event morning Pricing it at brunch for two super hip Mindfulness intentionality New fitness. Yeah You're baked. You're baked cage-free eggs and avocado toast for two cost 40 dollars. Yes Look how much more you get Yeah, and it changes your life Tom. I mean, right You start your day with intention Intensity But it doesn't happen every day in city No, it does not so for example, there was one here last in San Francisco on the fourth May 4th The next one will be on the 19th So probably twice a month in your city like I'm saying much mindfulness Will that make happen? Well, I mean it is a pretty big event like you you are you are spending four hours somewhere So right to do it every week would probably mindful stuff feels like something you need to do regularly I guess the idea is it gets you in the right pattern and then you you do it on your own for a while And you come back for a refresher and all right. Do they do they have like a Like a match not matchmaking but they make sure you're like with a crowd of people your Coif or is it just whatever I would have used that that the whole group is the group that you're cool with right that you are meeting Oh, I see I see. Yeah, I think that's that's the that's the idea The new the one on May 19th here in San Francisco is twerk de Soleil That means Right because it's a dance party I forgot keep forgetting that the dance party the morning dance party in Los Angeles guys I don't want to go on May 17th. When does it start? It's at 6 30 Too early all the no, no, no, I'm sorry yoga begins at 5 30. Oh gosh Dance party begins at 6 30. This is for someone yoga begins at 5 30. I'm gonna have to get up at 4 30 or maybe even 4 To go like shower to take the dogs out drive wherever that is Also this theme is called denim days They say we're going head to toe denim Hello, Texas tuxedo Happy I thought it was a Canadian tuxedo. It's a Texas tuxedo now be racist While the flowers are doing their bloom thing and the Sun is doing its sun thing we'll be doing our dance thing Dressed in every denim item of imaginable. Oh, yes, that's right You've just been invited to a denim part a On Thursday May 17th meet up with us at the west side of town location coming soon Our fave Parisian DJ fDVM will spin the tunes while we dance at sunrise to celebrate spring as a man fDVM As a great morning for everyone so I can't sound a little pagan to me celebrate I think it's supposed to I think that's that's what makes it makes it edgy. Oh, that's that that's that rough rusted edge Listen, man. I I shouldn't laugh at somebody else's fun. If this sounds awesome to you. I'm not should go enjoy it I'm not trying anyone. Um, that is my fun I've known plenty of people that are into this kind of stuff. I think it's Super rad and and and to be totally honest if you are somebody that doesn't drink or Has made it a choice to not drink for whatever reason. That's me You are looking for a big fun connection With other people in a like-minded sense, then I think these are fantastic. I mean so often people You know find it find sobriety isolating and this is I think a great opportunity to flower Your garden I have to say Tom knows me very well I am I'm I'm pretty much a tea toller when it comes to every after-hour social event Yeah, and I I don't feel it at all Isolating the fact I find it kind of interesting because people talk to me in a way they normally wouldn't because The alcohol loosens their inhibitions to that stopped me from listening all the gossip in the office I was sober for about two years and in that two years hanging out with my friends. I found a couple things number one The first 30 minutes of hanging out with your friends when you're sober and they're drunk is like any other time that you're hanging out with them The next hour is oftentimes some of the funniest or most interesting the Every hour past that Becomes increasingly less tolerable and it and it led to me Leaving after that hour and a half A very very often well part of it is I never really hung out with a lot of people who just kind of drank As an activity like they would drink As a side to like oh i'm at someone's birthday party or something but it wasn't like You know, well, let's get shit-faced or let's let's drink until we can't stand kind of thing Sure So part of it is probably because my experience and might like the way I kind of developed alcohol wasn't a big deal like in in it, so Whenever I saw it activities to do It wasn't it wasn't like a list of it was a it wasn't a line item So if it's something like hey, you want to go to a concert? Yeah, totally down with it Not gonna drink because I want to listen to the rest of the music and You can listen to the music and drink trust me. I did that once I did it Iggy Iggy I've done it more than once Iggy is area. Don't Iggy pop pop. Yeah Um, I did it last night I I did not it's funny. I missed out in the middle of the part because I was doubled over because Yeah, exactly. So drinking for me has a personal situation. Yeah, I I have more of a physiological Uh aversion to I think that's the biggest reason why you don't drink is because it makes you sick I wouldn't drink either. Well, it's because I go through the entire stage of drunkenness. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen it 45 minutes including the hangover. He's not kidding. It's crazy. Like ah, I I've I've seen Roger. I don't mean to to out you here, but I think we've talked about this before I've seen Roger doubled over sick And within an hour he's fine Like Oh, yeah, I'm literally going through the because and I've seen you had a headache like near the end and then you were fine Like I have a headache. I have I have my hangover. Don't speak so loudly to my ear Yeah, he ate brunch right in front of me. It was weird. This guy a maniac I have the cheapest date you'll ever find Oh Man, all right. Did anything anything else? Well, sarah will be back tomorrow um, and tom this is his last, uh Tomorrow will be his last day with us before he goes on his journey to the other side of the planet So if you want to see tom for this week, you need to you need to swing by tomorrow Uh, we'll also have erin karson and len perlton Bye everybody. All right. Bye