 Hi, I'm Leanne Martin. I'm a research associate on the Ocean Studies Board working on this project. I think we could start with our committee introducing themselves and then Liz, if you want to introduce yourself and your crew after. Tricia, pass it off to you. Aloha, I'm Tricia Kehomani Watson. I'm from Honolulu, Hawaii. Sorry, the screen just got big and it distracted me. Nice to meet everyone. Russell. Hi, I'm Russell Smith. I'm a member of the committee. And I am in Washington DC. Angela. Everybody this is Angela Villagones, originally from the island of Saipan and the North American islands but the city called Washington DC. And I worked for an organization called the Center for American Progress. Thank you, Angie. Hi everyone, Angie Dorr. I am based in Oregon. I work for Oregon State University and Oregon Sea Grant and I'm a member of the committee as well. Alexis. Hi, I'm Alexis Valerie Orton. I work for the Ocean Foundation. I'm based in Seattle, Washington, and I am also a member of the committee. Miss Coney here. Hello, nice to see you. Tony McDowell, I'm over there because you're a member of the committee. Thanks. And then our staff, Sue. Hello everyone, I'm Susan Roberts and I'm the director of the Ocean Studies Board and the senior staff on this activity. And Safa. Everyone, I'm Safa and I'm a program assistant for the Ocean Studies Board. And Liz, I'll pass it off to you to introduce everyone. Hello, Liz Turpac. Very glad to be here. I report from NOAA, but I work very much on an interagency basis, managing the federal input to the ocean decade and working very closely with our national committee. So it's absolutely my pleasure to be here and meet you all today. Thank you for giving your time to this course. So let's join my screen and give a little bit of background about this workshop and the academies. One second. Oh, thank you all for joining. This is the inclusive and equitable ocean workshop planning committee. And a little bit about the national academies. The national academies was originally chartered in 1863 to provide independent objective analysis and advice to the nation and conduct other activities to solve complex problems and inform public policy decisions. The national academies consists of the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, and these three bodies individually serve as honorary societies to recognize accomplished scientists in each of their respective fields, and are the operating arm NASA. The national academies has a dual mission to honor top scientists, as well as serve as advisors to the nation on science engineering and medicine. We are a nonprofit and independent organization. And the national academies is not part of the government or an advocate and advocacy organizations for for profit consulting organization. This is just a diagram to show you that the academies are at the three honorary societies oversight. And then here you see the seven programs under the executive office and the division of earth and life sciences or earth and life studies is where the ocean studies board lies under. There are different typical activities that the academies produce consensus studies workshops and communication and outreach products. And this is a workshop training committee. We'll get in a little bit about our process. We just introduced you to our committee we had a number of tremendous nominees for this committee and we considered several factors and our efforts to construct a well balanced and well constituted committee. These include among other things do graphic distributions disciplinary balance. This was a multifaceted effort took a lot of time to create this great committee here and ultimately we're very excited about the group that we have selected. So the workshop process, we had completed our nomination process and now we're in the process of committee meetings, and we will continue to meet until we reach a workshop. And when we have a workshop that will be later hopefully this year will let you know when those dates are. And after that will become a proceedings in brief, and that will undergo a review process and then will be released to the public. And here we'll go a little bit over the statement of tasks for this committee. And this is a part of the ocean decade. This is a team that comes out of our recent cross funding report. And so a traditional informal informational aspect of the decade is its recognition that increasing awareness, understanding and sharing of all the ocean has to offer us can only be achieved through the involvement of a diverse and representative ocean community. So equity, inclusiveness, respect, fairness and scientific integrity are core principles of the decade and must permeate all activities so that in the words of the decade, no one is left behind. The team will further the development of approaches that span the scientific, technical policy management and stakeholder communities to ensure the involvement of diverse groups in ocean science are involved in the challenges of achieving sustainable ocean development. And as you can see under these five different points in this topic, and there are different ocean shots to tie back into this theme. And here's our statement of task. So this planning committee will conduct a public workshop to explore the best practices for an inclusive and equitable ocean. And this will include sharing of stakeholder concerns approaches for broader involvement of diverse communities. And then contributing to and determining needs for ocean science for sustainable development. It'll look at resources and guidelines for furthering inclusion. It'll look at methodologies and metrics for best practices. And look at different examples of programs that have shown success in this year. And at the end of this workshop, like I mentioned, there will be a proceedings of a workshop in brief that will be released afterwards. So that is it. Thank you. Um, I can, that was just a brief background of what we will be working on and I can pass it to Liz to give a little bit more background for it as well. Sadly, I'm going to share my screen in the hopes that I don't break my, my network so stand by while I do this experiment that one must do when making presentations through zoom. Please let me know if you see the slides. Yes, I can see them. Excellent fantastic thank you for letting me know. Um, let me just put this in PowerPoint mode. And it changes my monitor ever so slightly when I try to you slide show there again. So here we are so I'm giving it with apologies to about half the committee who's heard a lot of what I'm about to say before, but I felt like it might be necessary for you to get a sense of why Noah's investing in this now. So that's what I hope to impress upon you so we have that context as you go forward with your work. Um, so let me just proceed to the next slide here so this decade, as you know, decades of things exist because the world comes behind it and thinks it's important to emphasize a particular topic and this particular decade came about over the course of the last 10 years. You know, there was basically a sense that there is consensus being built over the fact that knowledge about the ocean underpins essentially all the sustainable development goals. And so we saw in 2017 this declaration that there should be a decade of ocean science for sustainable development and typically the United States isn't too keen on decades of years of things but in this case we were behind it. We, we invest heavily in ocean observations, and we share that data with the world and we feel it's important that this be a major group project so we saw this as an opportunity to take a big bold highlighter to the importance of knowledge about the ocean. The, the world community tried to conjure up what it intended to do in this decade over the course of several regional workshops and global stakeholder meetings of the course of 18 through 21. And essentially, that yielded a few things I'll go over here, an implementation plan which I can make available to you if you're interested. It basically outlines the who what where and how of the decade at a fairly high level, but it does provide this this action framework which I will get to later in my slides. And, and the most important thing is to get a sense of how how this was devised is essentially the world said, you know, we need to do more science and we should concentrate on specific challenges so there was consensus built around the 10 challenges you see on the screen here. And it's, you know, these high level outcomes are lofty. And I think there's recognition that that the work conducted during the decade towards these outcomes won't necessarily be complete. I mean, fabulous if it works right, but indeed this is just team up a new way of working collaboratively together on these ocean challenges in the vehicle through which the primary vehicle through which the world community is asked to partake in this is to to declare actions that you're going to do so that's that action framework that I mentioned about in the implementation plan. I'm not going to dwell here on the nuances of the, the process by which actions are endorsed, which I could go into that with you later if you're interested but suffice to say that we spend a lot of time thinking about how we get involved with these actions to address these decade challenges in a proportional fashion so that it reflects how the United States feels about the necessity of us of make of making progress on these challenges. I want to go quickly about mechanisms about the decade so there is a decade advisory board and recently our national committee invited the two American reps to that decade board to come and infuse our national committee with with their exposures to how things are being done. And the scientific front. There's also a decade coordination unit which is essentially the secretariat host at the IOC of UNESCO the inner governmental oceanographic commission is the primary ocean science agency in the UN structure. And then of course it's all about money at the end of the day to resource things so there is an effort to mobilize resources and certainly Alexis can speak to that. That's more clearly than I, because I believe the ocean foundation is very much involved in this. So just to give you a quick sense of the governance because you know it is a UN thing so we do spend lots of times thinking about how do we make things aligned with protocol there's essentially as I mentioned before the decade coordination unit which is the secretariat for the decade located at the IOC. It has tried to enhance a decentralized structure by empowering other external types of organizations listed here to help bolster and support actions emanating of the decade. So you'll hear mention of decade coordination offices, collaborative centers, and in these regional organizations and networks that that have really started to take root over the last three of these first three years of the decades so it was interesting because we were we were challenged to try to get ahead of the curve here because we were essentially building the ship while sailing it. And so if things sound confusing. That's because I would say these the structure and this mechanism is still gelling. I think we're getting there but it's it's still not exactly as clear as it could be I think probably by your seven of the decade. Absolutely not least is the national decade committee and so when the implementations plan suggested there be national decade community committees, the United States rolled its sleeves up right away. And so when it comes to coordinating how the United States does decade business, we have a partnership with the national academies that host the US National Committee for the ocean decade and thank you for those of you are committee members on this particular committee. And I just wanted to note that it's not, even though I'm here speaking as a no employee it is not just know who pays attention and leans in on the decade we have an interagency working group with sorry about the alphabet soup here but I can. If you have questions about what any of these acronyms mean I could certainly define them for you suffice to say this is a body underneath the ocean policy committee which is all the ocean agencies in the federal government that come together to contemplate what we can should do in this ocean decade space so they meet at least quarterly or more as needed. So it's an active committee that communicates routinely with the staff of the national committee and in fact I believe it was just a week ago that we provided an update to our national committee about what we're up to. Just to let you know because I am from NOAA also within NOAA we have a task force for the decade that reaches across the line offices so if you're not familiar with no we tend to be slightly scope piped satellites fisheries ocean service research. Anyway, I could go on. We have representation from all those moving parts of NOAA so that when we talk about what NOAA is up to we're speaking with a single voice and we are actually trying to leverage all of the science and services expertise across the agency. So our working group spends lots of time contemplating about these actions that I mentioned. We solicit actions and we work with our national committee to try to get the not just federal agencies because it's got to be all of the United States that leads into this. So thanks to the national committee largely and I'm going to give you credit for that. We have we unfortunately maybe fortunately I'm sorry the United States represents up to 25% of the endorsed actions thus far globally. And what that means to me and we're keenly aware of this is that if the United States doesn't deliver on that 25% that we've indicated we would that will reflect horribly on the United States reputation and intentions so our interagency working group spends time contemplating how do we help resource these actions how do we make sure that administrative priorities online in such a way that will increase the odds of actions being fulfilled. So if you have any questions about this slide I can certainly answer them. We look at how our actions align with the decade challenges so here you can see out of a distribution 71 actions this is how they file up in you just to be clear these numbers are donated to 71 it's you know certain actions applied to multiple decade challenges so but this just gives you a sense of where do we have our foot in the pot how could we think about what more we can do in say spaces where we don't see as many actions being taken so this is what we dwell a lot on and you know when I talk about us ocean decade actions I'm not talking about just federal agencies I'm talking about any American entity we try to pay attention to the whole because to me that is more representative of how the United States is delivering on the ocean decade and that's strictly what the federal government is up to. And then this slide indicates, you know, we, like I mentioned we try to really think about how administration priorities align with the decade and vice versa. And so, as this slide indicates the OCAP the Ocean Climate Action Plan that was recently released by the Ocean Policy Committee. There are synergies throughout their their mutually supportive they're not excluding one opportunity doesn't eliminate the next. And we look to capitalize on that for for what the National Committee jointly with interagency working group intends to achieve over the course of time so what this slide does not talk to are in the Ocean Climate Action Plan there is a table that speaks to cross cutting principles and actions and if you I have at the end of the slide deck that you will have a link to the Ocean Climate Action Plan. And at pages 18 and 19. You'll see cross cutting principles and actions that marry well with the intent of this particular committee. So I would encourage you to take note of what's in there, I will absolutely do everything I can to make sure this committee has access to the subject matter experts who are behind that implementation, such that you have that information and can use that in your planning effort. And today to I unfortunately had hoped to be accompanied by the NOAA subject matter expert on environmental justice been Keita Brown but she ironically is currently attending a Department of Commerce environmental justice working group meeting so she promises to be available to you if you care to speak with her at a future committee meeting. And I believe I have just a slide to say hey I hope this gives you some context I'm glad to answer any questions and oh just by the way at the tail end of my deck. I have a few other slides that may be of interest to give you additional context about the types of things our interagency working group contemplates specific deliverables that I think you should bear in mind. And then of course quick links to other things that I think might be helpful for your work so I will stop sharing and be available for any questions that you might have. Thank you. And if this was too brief. I'm glad to go on further but I'm mindful of the fact you have a lot of work to do so just let me know if there's anything more you'd like more information on. So, can you just tell me I want less information on some of those. I want to tell me what you think as a sponsor success would look like out of this effort. So no problem. To be frank which is the only way I know how to be unfortunately I wish I could be a little more polished the from from. So I have to say that your meeting came up faster than I had chance to consult with some of my know experts on. Let's see what broader nor might think about this I know from a leadership of the ocean decade enterprise which if I didn't, if I wasn't clear about before. So no as the co chair of the interagency working for the ocean decade for those who aren't aware we do that with state and NASA. And I know it's in the best interest of our efforts there that this committee carry forward the thinking and provide greater resolution to the theme. Inclusive and equitable ocean, I think your timing is perfect relative to other things that are happening on the federal front. And I think you can help take the ocean shots. Because all those people leaned in early on when things were very abstract, you can give them some sense that their efforts were not for not. And I think you can increase the odds that we could better couple the thinking of the National Committee with the thinking of the broader ocean science community as to what is crucially what is crucial to do now in this equity environmental justice space. There's never enough that can be done in the space my opinion but you know if we could somehow find what is the. What are the crucial next steps I think that would be incredibly useful for Noah for the interagency. Thank you for asking. Can I can I ask a follow up to that. So, I pulled up the ocean climate action plan. I'm that person if you're referencing something that I don't quite have at my fingertips and then the presentation. I'm going to go ferret and find it. So for these oh cap actions is that where you're talking about you would like a little more guidance and direction is how to implement those in particular like are those. I'm very much a deliverables person like I want to make sure I'm delivering on what your expectations are so when you're saying sort of, you know, put more meat on the bones I guess for some of this is are those in particular these oh cap actions. Is that what you're I mean is it just advanced environmental justice or is it all of this sort of generally these these pages 18 and 19 you were referencing. So, so I feel like I'm going into territory that a little beyond my subject matter expertise as I mentioned earlier, the people you need to talk to specifically about this are the owners of the ocean justice strategy. So it's, there is, there's an environmental justice piece, but, but I recognize that this committee is thinking more broadly and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I'm just saying that this is one example of how what this committee is up to happens to align perfectly with the government also is trying to put its arms around in a meaningful way and if the outcomes of this workshop can feed into that then I think the better we'll build momentum for investment in this space. Does that make sense. It does. Good. You know, I think just in the interest of collaboration. You know the National Committee was really designed to help us build momentum in the United States for doing something significant with this ocean, this decade of ocean science for sustainable development. And it's that last piece that I think has made this ocean decade so different from a previous decade in the 70s that focused on ocean exploration. It's that link to you know sustainability, which is a lovely word but it's hard to do perfectly, but by golly, it's a worthwhile cause. So I think, you know, there's an opportunity here and the degree to which you can help us articulate the most profitable return on investment what what has to be done, otherwise we won't achieve that objective. You know how do we as your terms of reference even clearly indicate how do we make sure that our ocean decade actions have equity and inclusion is a clear outcome of their efforts like how do we help mature the actions that are currently going forward to optimize, you know, the the utility of the product the the the capacity of countries the capacity of America. I mean, you know it's it's not a simple question to ask I recognize and you know given the breadth of the ocean decade it makes it all the more challenging. So Trisha I respect the fact that you're trying to find something very more narrow and concrete but we're looking to this committee to help us narrowing the scope to some degree. I can't see hands. It's Alexis. Hi. One of the things that you know we as a committee talks about briefly earlier and I'm curious to hear your perspective on is sort of like the users of what this committee is able to contribute and produce in the form of our workshops and report. Do you see Noah wanting recommendations for its own programs or for calls for proposals or examples or do you see this more as something that you would point no as individual staff or partners to to use as a guide. Just trying to help us understand and deliver something effectively that will then lead to more inclusive and equitable ocean science programs. Thank you for asking that question because when I saw land slide about the flow chart showing how the committee works and it results in a publication I was texting my fellow who I think is on the call here Selena Harris. So we need to take that slide and show how that publication is implemented and is ingested and applied and then flows back to actual actions that are resourced see to me that's the thread we're trying what we appear we really want to prove. Not only a pepper but real traction on the ideas that the National Committee has come up with. Do you think that Noah will be able to play a role in helping to kind of implement and disseminate that report do you see that as a role, you would play. Yeah, no no we won't. The idea is to not make this and any byproduct, including this workshop. Just on the shelf. We want this to be to have a life beyond this administration to have you know to make, make an impact we want impact we want to figure out a way to articulate things to be to mobilize that consensus to help with advocacy. Etc. And I don't know that I can state much more without getting myself in trouble. So, thank you. I'm just going to jump in Liz for a minute because I want to clarify something about you know the this committee and what the product is going to be. The point is that we will do a write up of the workshop but it's going to be what people discussed at the workshop it's not going to be a synthesis the way consensus report would be a synthesis and then providing recommendations. So we're really more collecting viewpoints from the community through the through the workshop and providing a summary of those discussions. So for clarifying that. Yeah, resourcing resourcing this particular committee is something Noah is is behind for sure. And generating the products that we can generate at least a synthesis of discussion is still moving the needle forward in our opinion. Yeah, so I know we have, in addition to the committee members we have other participants online and they're welcome to raise their hand and introduce themselves and ask any questions they may have as well. This is amazing presentation so you know, she may have answered all your questions. Hey, just to let everyone know that awesome animated slide credit to my canal fellow. I'd like to call her mine. I know I shouldn't call her mine. She's the world's fellow she Selena Harris. She's fantastic. If you haven't met her yet you absolutely should. Yeah, I've heard of other people on the line but did what I wonder, I can't recall our agenda for today. But I wonder if this is the right time to go back to the terms of reference for our charge here. And maybe that's not the right term. To be sure that we're clear on that because it was a fairly long list of things with some compound complex sentences for my brain to completely wrap around so I don't know if this is the appropriate time. Susan or Leanne to have that discussion or we're going to do that later. Yeah, I don't, I don't think it's a bad thing to start that discussion we may not, we may finish it later but at least we can, we can start. Yeah, but at least on the phone it seemed to me to be, yeah, maybe to have some time on that now might make sense again not to hijack the conversation if there's other things you all need to get through but I'm feeling a little, a little more need for that. And I'm looking at the description provided on the website for this meeting for this committee. This one right here. I put in the chat window. What have Leanne's lives to. Yeah, it's my side if you want, I thought it would be helpful. But Liz is a good put in the statement of pass and then. Yeah, Tony why don't you go ahead with your question. Can I have it up my brain like I said. That was part of the problem. Okay, we'll share. Maybe it's literally just a meter of reading it more slowly so. Okay, so there's like about a long clauses here. I just was dry remember the best practices and I just mentioned that because it did come up in our earlier discussion that some committee members in general thought that was a bit of an opportunity here so I'm just with one takeaway and listening to this. Okay, I'm going to open it up to the rest of the committee to look at this. Maybe you all have digested it. More than I have, but I wondered if anybody had any, any more specific questions about this statement of pass. So this, the very specific participants were typically asked all the suggestions for actions that incorporate inclusion and equity into the, into the top of the themes as part of the process. We're developing an employee research so that's something I just want to highlight because I did feel like that was reflected a little bit in our back and forth that wasn't entirely clear to me that it does sound like we have an obligation. So if you can think about how, how is it cross cutting theme, we're out of this more particularly will be used across the other, other topical themes as well again that was said but again it didn't settle entirely into my brain. Again, we're also moving forward trying to figure out what the scope, but also what the, what the, what the, you know, how can we more focus this given that it is something that could easily explode around us. Yeah, those are the questions I had I just really needed a little more time to guess that I will look at it again after this call but I just wanted to make sure in case anybody else on the committee needed any clarification on this statement of task at this point. Tony and reading it again with your help of focusing I think what's coming through me is that it's really about the discussions at the workshop as covering all these topics but not that we will like Susan said it'll be just a report out of what people said rather than like our set of recommendations right so just that we want to facilitate and ensure that these discussion points are covered by our participants but that we won't be trying to reach any consensus or synthesize them and but this last sentence about sort of the next to answer Liz's question about kind of what happens next that there potentially will be a next phase where some members of the committee or participants will then kind of work on the integration of the discussions in maybe maybe slightly more actionable ways, but it seems like our job is just to tee up the discussions and make sure the right people are in the room. And I would add to that Alexis that I think one of the functions of the workshops will be to make the resources that are available now, more accessible to the community that may not be aware of these resources that they can tap into. So I see that as another function of the activity. Good morning all. I don't see on my screen way to raise my hand so I'm sorry for interrupting but I'm Scott Miller in the Alaska region of no fisheries presently currently the Arctic policy advisor to Dr Kelly Chris the Deputy Under Secretary for International Fisheries and this is all new to me and I may be speaking out of turn but there are major initiatives happening in the Alaska Arctic with regard to inclusion and a lot of the things that you're talking about. I wonder if, and I will talk with Liz educate myself more obviously do not have a flavor for all of this right now. But the North Pacific Fisheries Management Council has several action committees, looking at local and traditional ecological ecological knowledge climate task force. There are there are major changes happening. Major changes. I've been here for more than two decades. And a shout out to, to Mr Obama's from Saipan I lived in Saipan for five years, and myself is still home ported there, quite frankly, but changes are happening in this administration in the way that we embrace communities that have possibly been under heard, if you will, in the past, and I think that I definitely take to heart the concept of wanting deliverables I'm a contracting representative as well so I, I work in the mindset of deliverables and I'm thinking that as a suggestion, your committee may really want to reach out to the Alaska region, we have a new tribal coordinator and I can provide a contact information. She's so new that I haven't actually met her yet, because I work in a virtual environment. But we also have a major emphasis in the in the council process right now. These issues revolve largely around salmon bycatch which I spent a career working on trying to reduce and or eliminate. But also other other issues of inclusion issues of how we take public testimony issues of membership on advisory panels and such. I will say in my more than two decades with no fisheries. This is the most comprehensive change paradigm shift, if you will, that I've seen, not scientific, not biological with people. And I think ultimately that's what this is all about. So I will, I will just add that those two cents there, and very interested in this very new to it definitely naive about all that you've done and done so far, but very interested and I will offer my time to anyone who wants to reach out to me. So, thank you. Yeah, that's great. I'm sorry, I just wanted to find out Scott will definitely tag up after to make sure you have all you need to know and and that the committee can connect with you as soon as possible. For more detail or any of your contact. Great. Yeah, I'll take it on as a fourth job. Thank you so much, Scott, because I think, yeah, I'm the examples you gave really sound so relevant to what this planning committee is going to be undertaking. Just out of curiosity. This statement of task has not actually been vetted cross with no leadership at all yet so so in the interest of us. Is there space for meaning time actually week. Can I have a week. But just get back to you if there's any major part burn on any of this or major tech changes that we recommend to this committee. Certainly there's that opportunity I will say that there is a process, you know, if it is a major change in direction that would require an institutional review. So just to let you know. So yeah, ASAP is would be a recommendation for that. Okay, it is, it's, you know, it's based on the recommendations of the committee that read the, the cross cutting themes report. Just like I say, you know, give, give them what Scott just mentioned and the fact that there is a subject matter expert at NOAA in this space. I don't want you to not benefit from, from that input. So, so thank you. Yeah. I'm hearing clarifications. I think Tony said that what he imagined is that there could be further clarifications as opposed to changes in direction. Yeah, but I guess that you know the other opportunity is certainly to contribute ideas for the committee's activities. And thinking about, you know, what to cover in the workshop and, you know, potential speakers and perhaps even mechanisms for, you know, incorporating a broad community of ideas would be certainly welcome. I have a quick comment. My name is Allison Myers and I run a team of scientists working on seaweed for CO2 removal. Several points. One is I want to commend NOAA for the recent opportunity to work on that because it's very far in advance and it's very needed, because we need to remove CO2. One of the big things, one is, I'm not a scientist, and yet I lead a team of scientists. I started out as an oyster farmer who happened to observe things going on in a system with runoff and seaweed growth and just had ideas. So I think this issue of diversity and inclusion is important because people out in the field, whether they're fishers or mechanics or whatever they may be, they have ideas. And I think it's a very big challenge of how to bring them in. So I found my way through bureaucracies and funding calls that I knew nothing about. And yet here we are working on a big idea. I think two things. One is the US government seems to be requiring inclusion in teams, working on research. It seems to be new and I think it's great. One thing I would like to see is educational efforts when there's innovation and research going on in an area for there to be more grassroots education, or at least availability of lectures or what have you, to local populations, because they may have ideas on how to solve problems. The seaweed we work on comes into the coast. It smothers seagrasses and mangroves. It needs to stop. I'm working on sargassum. I have ideas, practical things, contributions to make to the work. So thank you for allowing me to be here today, not being a scientist, but working very hard to address climate goals. So, thank you. Thank you, Alison. And actually, if you would like to send us your contact information for for future activities that would be welcome. Happen to help happy to help any way I can. And so I think we can take down the statement of tasks now. So we can see everyone. Yeah, that's great. Thank you. Any other comments or questions? Such a quiet group. Surprise. Okay, well Trisha, I don't know, perhaps as the chair you'd like to have the last word today. I typically do, but I'm mostly in my just trying to listen and wrap my arms around this and give everybody some time but I do think we're very excited I think we have lots of wonderful work ahead of us. And maybe a question and then a final word. So, we have a bunch of people who are on the call right now that are not on our committee. What is the expectation for your folks is involvement like are your folks participating in the workshop like or is it just your sponsor I just want to make sure like we're clear as to I mean, because there's, I mean, obviously a bunch of people who joined who I think would be great participants and have a lot to offer. So I'm just trying to understand those expectations. Yeah, and we certainly have time for people to introduce themselves if you're willing to do that. I would appreciate that. Yeah. Hey, can we start with Selena, since she's already been mentioned today. I'm not sure if my camera will work. I'm having a little bit of technical issues and didn't want to troubleshoot it so much and cut off the meeting. Hi everyone, I am Selena Harris, I am a canal fellow I'm currently working with us to peck on the ocean decade. So my involvement will probably stay from that side but I'm very happy to be here and hear about what's going to evolve from this process. Okay, thank you Selena and I'm just going to go in the order I say on my screen and the next is Jules. I'm Jules with ringer. I'm a really great liaison for the National Committee. And I've really enjoyed the conversation today. It's nice to meet everyone. And Louise Vega. Louise are you able to unmute and introduce yourself. Yeah, perhaps not. Okay, let's see next I have ash. If you're able to unmute and introduce yourself. Okay. Thank you for coming down the list. Cynthia. Okay. Good afternoon. My name is still markets Robinson. I'm also a canals fellow in the White House Council on environmental quality and the water conservation team. So my joining my input or joining of this meeting was the fact that with the ocean climate action plan we have the ocean justice strategy that we're currently trying to develop. So I was wanting to hear different ideas and perspectives as we're kind of also trying to, you know, put the put the wheels on the on the truck. So, but I would like to know stay connected in and be part of the conversation and the workshops going forward. Yeah, excellent. Very welcome. And let's see I think we're on Ziddle. If you'd like to introduce yourself. Okay. Next, Paul Ehrlich. Okay, maybe I don't know if people are not able to unmute or quite way. They're not there, but let's see also have Preston DeVasio. Now I know it's been so quiet though. Preston, somebody else also unable to unmute. Okay. Yeah, sorry for the technical difficulties there. But we certainly welcome you to keep in touch with us. We have email always. And, and so we were able to sort of let you know about upcoming meetings of this group and of course the workshops as they, as they come to fruition. So I see you have something in the chat. Do you want to talk about it? Okay. All right, well we'll save the chat and certainly share that also with the committee. So it looks like Jules was unable to unlike to in her current workspace. I do see that Jules did ask a specific question or made a specific suggestion and I don't know what the thinking is on that so maybe we can respond to that. Okay, yeah, so I can read it out for those who may not be able to see the chat. So this is from Jules and she says something I've been thinking about when I'm writing myself and statement of task I think there could be two sort of streams to this work. One that has to do with building an inclusive and equitable marine workforce and the other to move forward with research and conservation that is based in local inclusive and equitable stakeholder community leadership. I like that a lot. Actually, I mean I, and I think it was, it sort of takes off in some of the discussions we were having in the session before this. So, yeah, I do think if we can find a way to pull that language into the next discussion we're having that would be something to further discuss and I think does speak to why I would like, you know, to find a way to keep a lot of the people on this call involved because it does seem this is everybody working in this space and I'm a big fan of well inclusive discussions. Angie. Awesome. Sorry, it didn't the screen popped up that asked if I wanted you to unmute me and I'd already unmuted myself so I was just going to say I also like that idea Jules and I can just say as a little bit of background from being on the cross cutting themes committee where we came up with these themes. Kind of the goal of this committee that includes an equitable ocean equitable and inclusive ocean I can remember which order it goes in is to provide some sort of some guidelines for the, the other themes. And the idea is both that it will that it will take on both those perspectives that the research that's conducted will include diverse voices and be more inclusive, broader reaching, you know, community engaged type things. But also that some of the outcomes will be will be more inclusive as well. So, I like that idea, or the way you phrased it and I just want to say it's very much in line with the idea of this being a foundational theme that will influence the other themes, because that is kind of the goal there. Okay, anything else. Yeah, I'll mention one other thing Tricia, since we have the opportunity. And that is that the National Academies and particularly through the ocean studies board is developing another study related to this topic and it's on diversity, equity, inclusion, belonging, accessibility and justice in ocean studies. And so that's, that will be a full consensus study, it'll be an in depth look at the issue more from the workforce lens, then, then what we've scoped for this particular workshop, it's not connected to the ocean decade, the way that this one is. And we're hopeful that that consensus study will get off the ground later this year. So we have about half of the funding at hand and the rest of it has been promised. So, we're very excited to get that one going. But I think there's going to be some, you know, certainly some crossover between these two activities in various ways. Okay, well, I want to, I mean, just, I guess, my last word, thank you so much to everybody this is really an exciting endeavor. I think we very much look forward to continuing to have input from all of you, those who are not formally on the committee but obviously come with a tremendous amount of experience and talent and I think it'd be very valuable to this process so just thank you again, everybody. Sue, back to you. Okay, well, thank you. And thank you for me to land for really organizing this, this meeting today and really working so hard to put together this fabulous committee. And we really look forward to working with everyone on these work on the workshop activity. And touch to so you know check out our website and for all the latest updates.