 I believe we're live. Hello, hello, everybody. Oh, hi, y'all. Hi, y'all. Happy Eclipse Day, Eileen. Oh, my gosh, I can't wait to talk about this. I don't want to say anything right now. We should talk about it on the show. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's, you know, lots to be said. Even, I mean, I'm going to find a way to tie it into Apple. Some way, but you know what? I mean, you, you, I watched Eclipse footage on Apple devices today. Perfect. So you know what? It counts. I was using my Apple TV to watch, to watch the Eclipse today. So, yes. Okay. There you go. There you go. Right. Picture in picture because I had to do like other stuff. I was like, PIP. Yeah. All right. I'm working, but I'm also cheating. Yeah, exactly. Because I want to see the Eclipse stuff. I know. From all over the world. Okay. Yeah. Are you ready? I'm ready. We do this. All right. Okay. I'm going to go with the open. Here we go. Three, two. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Apple Vision Show Episode 10. I'm Sarah Lane and I'm with. Hi everybody. I'm Eileen Rivera. How are you doing, Sarah? I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Eileen, this was an especially fun Monday for me. I know it was for you as well because, you know, we've been following the Eclipse even though both of us live in Los Angeles. So like we saw nothing. I just kept looking outside and being like, yeah, still sunny. You know, I will admit that I went outside several times. I took Sawyer out. I said, oh, is this around the time? Cause I was following through Apple TV on the NASA channel. So I was watching the NASA channel and then they had, they set it up in all different cities across the US that had prime viewing of the total eclipse. Yeah. Oh, I mean, I'll tell you, I mean, this is NASA's like Super Bowl. Oh, I know. You know, like when I started watching it this morning, I'm like, oh, they've got a lot of people on the ground here. This is like a storm watch right now. I mean, it started from Mexico and then it went up to Texas through, you know. Arkansas. Arkansas all the way to New York. And Niagara Falls is where I saw, I don't know if that's the most northern point, but that's where I stopped watching. Cause I was following. I think the most northern point, I don't know if they same. I had just thought because I had real work to do, but I think it was a caribou main was the last part of the US that was on the trajectory. Okay. Okay. Got it. Well, I have to tell you, while I was watching and I mean, I personally feel like if I was there with the people, I would feel it and get it more so than just watching it happen live on TV. Yeah. But there was screaming. I heard screaming and I literally thought, is this the beginning of a horror film? Sorry. Like it sounded like that where I'm like, are aliens coming out as soon as everybody, you know, I hate to say it, but it almost. Yeah. They're just going to let it get dark. The bats are everywhere. They're vampires. It's mayhem. It doesn't pay off. I don't want to like make fun of the people because their experience is something that I didn't see, but it almost sounded like something akin to a cult. Like the people were crying and the yelling and I was like, is everybody okay? Is everybody going to be okay? Well, okay. So over the weekend, I got a haircut. I mean, that's not part of the story, but I just happened to be, you know, hanging out with my hairdresser who I know quite well and I was like, do you care about the eclipse? And she's like, no, do you? And I'm like, no. So, you know, we kind of bonded over that. And she was like, however, I've been trying to understand like what it is that, you know, like the phenomenon is, I mean, it's a real thing, but you know, what makes people feel like I need to experience this rather than just like see it on the internet? Cause I'm like, yeah, there'll be like photos and videos. I don't know. I mean, you know, it's fine. No problem. But she said, you know, I think that people want to feel like they're part of something bigger and something like this does feel like it's like, we're talking about the solar system. We're not talking about your town, your county, your state, your country, or even your planet. We're talking about something bigger and that makes people feel alive. And I was like, you know what? That's a pretty cool way to think about it. So, you know, at that point I was like, okay, I'm still like, I mean, don't put me on the moon. I will, you know, kick and scream. I will not go. I will stay on earth till the day I die. But, but I do kind of get, I get the whole sort of like, this is something special. It doesn't happen that often. And people were really taking it seriously. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like, you know, as, as you were, I think Eileen, I was watching it picture in picture on Apple TV and boy, that was great. Like I was working, I was watching, you know, it worked out real nice. I mean, at some point I had to be like, okay, I'm not going to watch like the totality and every single city that NASA is like highlighting. I watched four of them. Okay, we're good. I know what it looks like, but it was fun. Well, we know some people that are there in the heart of the matter. One is my own husband, Tom and Amos is there. And, you know, I got some photos early on of, you know, sitting outside waiting. So I haven't communicated since, but it seems like a raucous party, you know, and something that really celebrating earth and, you know, happiness and, you know, a phenomenon that, you know, this is, there are worse things that you could celebrate. You know what I'm saying? 100%. Yeah. No, I'm with you on that one. Yeah. You know, so let them, let them have their midday darkness. I love it. I have a little bit of FOMO. Do you have any FOMO? I have a little bit. A little bit. Yeah. Honestly, until this morning, because Roger Chang, he was like, oh, you know, he sort of like made a joke to me because we were, you know, just talking about doing shows in general. He's like, yeah, I'll do this, you know, between, you know, my viewing of the Eclipse live stream. And I was like, well, what live stream are you looking at? And he's like, NASA, of course. And I was like, oh yeah, of course, duh. I mean, I mean, you have other options, but like, of course, NASA. And at that point I was like, okay, yeah, I'm, you know, my day is going to derail if I watch this too closely because I love stuff like this because I love, I love, it's not even so much that I love what happened, moon, sun, whatever. Okay. Right. And it got dark for four minutes, but it's more of just like, how happy it makes people. Yeah. And that is, you don't get that very often. Like the, like pure joy of like something beyond human control. Yeah. You know, it's like, we didn't, you know, build a computer to make this happen. We didn't, you know, there was no scientific advancement that made this happen. This is something that just is happening whether we want it to or not. And that I feel like makes people feel alive. Yeah. I think so too. And it's, it's pretty spectacular, you know, to be honest with you. I mean, I sat there watching it and, you know, any naysayer can look at it and think, wow, that's just CG, you know, but no, just go outside and, you know, maybe you'll see it or once in your life, you'll see it. Eventually it'll be in your path at one point in time. I guess for, for this path it will not happen for another 40 years or something. I think it's 2044. Okay. The next time it happens. Okay. But it, but it, but even then it won't happen specifically how it happened today. Right. So, you know, so that's, if you, you know, care about these things. Right. You can say, you were there. Exactly. You made the effort. I will report back or I'm sure you'll hear from Tom tomorrow about how life changing it was for him. I don't even know. May we'll see. Well, yeah. I was sort of like expecting you to like come into the show today being like Tom called me wearing his glasses, crying, hugging all his friends, which maybe, maybe all of that happened. Maybe I got one picture. I'll just spare her. Yeah. Like honestly, no, nothing. Just, I don't know what that says. Yeah. Well, I don't, I don't think Tom was gobbled up by the total eclipse today. So, you know, everybody survived. No aliens landed. You know, a friend of mine thought that it sounded like, you know, the beginning of Independence Day when people were like clapping on the Empire State Building or whatever in the movie. And then all of a sudden it just things went awry. Well, you know, it's funny because, you know, when I was still in my like naysaying territory, which is as recently as last night, you know, I was like, what do we do though? Like when it happens, like, do you clap? Do you cheer? Do you do? People are like, well, you know, depending on, you know, sort of what your, you know, like, deep beliefs are about humanity, like you might take this time to kind of reflect and figure out what sort of a person that you want to be. And I was like, oh, okay. Wow. All right. Therapy session here. Okay. Yeah. Which is, you know, that's kind of cool. And probably, there probably were a lot of moments for people who were like, that's crazy. You know, look at, you know, where I am, what is happening. This and that. And yeah, I mean, I love it. I love it. It's weird. It is weird. I did my laundry. I walked the dog. I did my laundry too. I washed my, my, my sheets. You know, gotta do it once a week. Walk my dog as well. He pooped in front of a tire shop. You know, the use. You know, might as well do it in time for the total eclipse. Clean. It's part of spring cleaning. Yeah. I don't know. Oh, anyway, let us know if you watch the total eclipse and, you know, how life changing it was and how your. Yeah. Yeah. And if you, um, yeah, like to do, do like picture and picture on Apple TV. I know that's a little specific, but I thought it worked out really well for me or, you know, on your iPhone or on another device, whatever. Um, it, uh, it. The picture and picture stuff is great because I really can't like, I can't have the TV on while I'm working in the morning. I can't do it. Yeah. But for something like this where I like, I really just want to like glance, but I can still mute it, you know, but still it's still there. That works out nicely. I think that works really well on Apple TV. And, you know, before we move on, I mean, I, I kind of felt like, oh, this is a big deal when I saw a promo that NASA did with Lance Bass. And how do I. Was that Lance Bass? It was, I was, I was like, is that a guy who works for NASA that looks a lot like Lance Bass? It's Lance Bass. It was. It's not the same one. And he's showing the glasses or how to do, how to watch if you don't have the glasses. And then I saw the like video message from Scarlett Johansson laying on her bed asking NASA a question about this. Like, what? Okay. I'm clearly out of the, you know, out of the know on how exciting this is. So I am very humbled. I'm very humbled. Yeah. She sent in a video. It's like she used her phone, her iPhone, and she was laying in bed and asked NASA a question and sent it. And they aired it. I didn't see that. Somehow in the several hours that I streamed NASA stuff, I did not see that. But yeah. Sure. I'm sure you can find it on the internets. You know, I'm sure I will. But going back to Apple centric stuff that we do here on Apple vision show, we got a real nice comment. This was YouTube, right? Yeah, this was YouTube. Golf and frog said, great show. This really should ultimately turn into a morning show. Tech and fun with Sarah and Eileen. You know, I thought maybe, yeah, maybe we give those vibes, right? Maybe so. And also, like, if it were morning, I'd be like, I'm eating a muffin. I've got my, you know, I've got my, I don't know, matcha tea. Yeah. You know, maybe a sausage here and there if I want to get cray-cray. I don't like that idea. You just reminded me. I had an English breakfast this weekend, like a proper English breakfast. I'm jealous. And the sausage with the Canadian beans and the baked beans and all of that, I was living the dream right there. So maybe if we make this into a morning show, then, yeah, I'll have some of that. But I love the sentiment. I'm actually kind of digging it. I'm actually, Sarah, you know, you know, I'm not a morning person. I stay up very late. But this could very much make me a morning person, which is a goal of mine. It is a very big goal of mine. Doing this with the show morning could make me that. So, okay. So this sort of sparked something in my head because so my Apple Watch, which I've said before, I wear all the time unless I mean, if I'm sitting here at my desk, I'll charge it. But I wear it overnight, you know, I like my data. But I also have it set to say like between 10 30 p.m. and 6 30 a.m. It's my sleep time. Yeah. That's eight hours. And that is a lofty goal. I don't really hit that very often. Yeah. Sometimes I'm like seven or even like six and a half, you know, but like, I'm okay. But I'm not, you know, I'm not getting the eight, but at 10 30 every night, whether I'm asleep or not, it goes Oh, you have a chime. Yeah. Well, to remind me like it's time for a bed. And that has been very helpful to me because sometimes I'm like, Oh, I was sort of like in the middle of like some weird article online, you know what, let's shut it down. It's time to go to bed. So I don't know. I don't know if that would help you or not, but it has helped me with like a little bit of like it's structure that like if I don't follow it, nothing bad happens. Yeah. But but when I do follow it, I'm like, Okay, this is the structure that I need. So mine is set to 11 30 to 7 30 and I must have turned off the note of the like chime sound. But I see it. And I don't notifications. I don't get notifications anymore or whatever, but I think I just kind of ignore it and I keep going, which, you know, what are they? I mean, I do that sometimes too, where I'm like, I'm in the middle of a movie, like I'm not going to bed right now. I wish I could remember. It's always a good reminder of like, you know what, time to wind down. Yeah. You know, yeah, I like not getting any notifications or anything that could, you know, bother me. So if I'm on my phone, I'm looking at something, but I'm not going to be bothered by anything else. Yeah. There is a phenomenon. Oh, gosh, I will. I cannot remember it right now. Maybe by the end of the show, but it's almost like a, you're trying to take back your time that you couldn't do during the day. That's why I stay up late. There is, there is a term for it. Maybe somebody in the chat will know what that is, but it's almost like an, almost like an aggressive behavior. Like not night owl. Right. Something more clinical than that. More clinical than you're a night owl. It's like, you are trying to claim personal things that you couldn't do during the day because you have other obligations. So all the things that you wanted to do personally, I'm getting it done in the middle of the night because Tom's asleep, the dog's asleep. I'm like, it's quiet and I don't have the chance for the mailman or whoever to come and, you know, it's just quiet, which is not that different than how I feel about, you know, I mean, I would love to sleep in. I mean, every morning I'm like, oh, if I only had another hour or maybe two to sleep in, wouldn't that be nice? But I get up early. You know, my dog has to go out. I got to work. I got to do stuff. And I actually, I like it because, you know, so I get it probably around 6 a.m. You know, on a daily basis. Yeah. And it's like, before eight, nobody bothers me. I make my coffee. It's silent. You know, I walk my dog outside. No one's out. No one's out. It's a, it's a, it's a graveyard out there. And, you know, like I don't, I don't have to like be like overstimulated. Yeah. And that's what I love about the early morning. And I feel like a lot of my friends who are more sort of like, I do that between 11 and, you know, 1 a.m. Same thing. Mm-hmm. You just have like me time. Exactly. It's me time. And thank you to Ambassador Domo and binary digit. Revenge sleep procrastination. It's what it's called. Revenge. So some people. Revenge sleep. That's what I mean. Like it, it was a term that I felt sounded more aggressive than what it is really meant to be. But that's what people are coining it on the interwebs. You're saying it's revenge, sleep, revenge, sleep procrastination. Look it up, everybody. Anyway, that's apparently what I do. And it's specifically for people in the middle of the night. So, yeah. And sometimes I'm tired, but I just want to keep going. Like last night, I was up late, but I was trying to finally sit down and study my Korean for the week and do some of my homework. And I felt like that was my time because during the day, I wanted to like get out of the house and do a few things because it was a beautiful day. You know, really paying attention to the dog. And yeah, just other things that are not like me working on a specific thing for me. So, hopefully that makes sense. Anyway, that's what I do. And yes, I will try. And let's turn this into a morning show, Sarah, because then I will definitely be up in the morning. I think we have that vibe. Ham and cheese croissants. You know, breakfast is actually my favorite time of the day. Mine too. Honestly. Yeah, I could eat hash browns and bacon and eggs at night. I will do it because I love it. Oh, for sure. And also I feel like when I get up in the morning, I'm like, let's get creative. I'm like, you know, by lunch, I'm like, sandwich or whatever. And then by dinner, I'm like, I'm tired. I'll just eat some wheat thens. But breakfast, I am, you know, the day is new, you know, let's, let's, you know, I don't know. Yeah. Like layer on some stuff and add some kimchi while we're at it. Oh, I love it. Yes. You know what I love? And also when you eat early in the day, you're burning it, right? All through the day, right? When you eat heavily. And so like bagels, a nice, like warm, toasted bagels, with cream cheese. I don't eat a lot, but I love it. You know, that's just like yummy, yummy, yummy goodness. Same, same, same. I mean, a toasted bagel with cream cheese. I have dreams about that sometimes. Where I'll wake up in the morning and I'm like, did I eat it? Everything bagel with cream cheese yesterday? No, I just, I dreamed that I did. And it's like, I'm like, I'm like, okay, must go find a good bagel place. I mean, totally. Yeah. I love it. I've got a couple of places around here. Yeah. It's good stuff. But anyway, so moving back to, to Apple stuff. So I lean, I know that you haven't been hanging out with the Vision Pro because it's been with me. Yeah. But one of the things that I've been doing with the Vision Pro is, you know, you know, but one of the things that has gotten a lot of attention is spatial personas or personas, I guess. Yeah. My favorite. And Apple has, has in its new beta update to Vision, Vision OS has upgraded the persona experience. So for example, if you, I know, I know, if you and I were to be like, okay, let's collaborate and be looking at the same, you know, Safari webpage, you know, you would be still, you know, the whole idea behind personas for anybody who doesn't know is that Eileen is now sort of an avatar, but it's supposed to look a lot like her, not full body, but like, you know, head to, you know, mid. Okay. And, and, you know, Apple will, when you set up your Vision Pro, will, you know, do a lot of, you know, photos from a variety of angles and unless you just don't like your avatar, like, it's pretty good. I thought it was pretty good, but a lot of other people were like, it's weird, you know, it seems, I don't know, like, they dump along or, you know, the theater cut off, you know, kind of stuff. Same thing that, you know, people talk about in, you know, VR in general, because we're not strapping a bunch of stuff to our legs. So, you know, what are you going to do about the legs? But, but, the new spatial persona system is pretty cool. And the reason that I think it is pretty cool is like, again, let's say we're collaborating on something. We can, I can say like, let's, you know, have like a, you know, a view of the beach. And, but, you know, we're still, you know, looking at this Google Doc and Eileen's right here with me and, and, and you can, based on where I move, you come forward or backwards. And, you do feel like you're kind of in the mix with me? Okay. You're not just like a portrait with a, because it, when I saw it, it was literally just like your head kind of moves or whatever. But, as I'm looking at this, this article here, it looks like there's hands and, you know, a little bit. I mean, I think probably, probably the biggest upgrade is that, like what you're talking about, it's like, it doesn't just look like, like album art, right? Yeah. It's a little, it kind of is that still, but like, it's more ingrained into the atmosphere. Okay. Now, again, I, I can only think about like, work as, excuse me, as an obvious way that this might be good for people, like, like kind of friend stuff. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. But also, I don't, I don't have a lot of friends who have one, you know, the thing, right? Yeah. Like I would say, it would be fun to do a show like this, but we have one unit. So, you know, right. Right. I can borrow some ones, but then that's a pain. So anyway, I, you know what? I knew that there had to be some incremental changes to the personas because, you know, I don't know if you remember, I mean, like I was very, very anti persona. In fact, I didn't even want one because it made me look so horrible. But I mean, that's just me and the line was horrific. Yeah. I was like, delete this from all Apple server. I mean, I would prefer to have my driver's license instead of that persona. Like it was awful. I was like, Oh, anyway, I, I, you know, I kind of thought, all right, someday there is going to be an update and, you know, I think it'll, what do you think? Do you think it'll get creepier if you see full body at some point and you're like, walking and I don't know. I mean, hopefully it looks really like, that's a good question because I, I feel like a lot of people are like, this weird sort of like disembodied, like upper body thing. Um, you know, that's not very lifelike, but it's like, do we want like full body stuff? Especially when it comes to like, enterprise type thing. Like it seems like something like, okay, well, that would be what it would emulate in real life. Yeah. But we also probably don't want to be like, well, so and so's, but doesn't really look like that in real life. You know, like it's like, more distracting. Like maybe the human form could take a back seat. Like how like, we're trying to be more productive. Oh my God. How would you even scan that too? I don't know. And also wait, does your persona, you're wearing the same clothes every day? Like, right? Cause you take the photo the one time. So basically, you can change your clothes. Oh, you can. You can. Yeah. Yeah. You can, you can put glasses on or, you know, whatever, but like that also like requires some effort. I mean, that's what I mean. So, so generally I would, I already have to get dressed. You're lucky I'm wearing a shirt, but yeah, but you know, like there might be some people that are like, great, I don't have to, it's almost like wearing a uniform. I don't have to like worry about, you know, where what I look like, cause it'll be the same every day. I took that perfect photo, whereas others will be like, but I want everybody to see my latest shirt, my latest, whatever. So, whatever. So it's up to you how much you really want to deal with. There's probably, you know, looking forward, there's probably a big, there is a, you know, a big way for a lot of people to make a lot of money off of, you know, avatar shirts. I feel like we, you know, up until this point, it's like, yeah, on meta, you kind of have that, you kind of have that on, you know, any avatar really, Snapchat, you know, even Apple itself in iOS kind of stuff. But like, if you, if I say, like, I want in this meeting that I'm having tomorrow with Eileen, like, I want like a Gucci shirt. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do it. You know, it's like, I think probably people are going to get there eventually. Oh, you pay for it. I think some people already care. Yeah. Well, you have to pay for it. Of course. Yes. That's another way people are going to, and then you're sort of like, wow, you look really good in this meeting. And I'm like, I know I paid for it, you know, which is, you know, again, emulating real life. But then, well, but then if you see the person of real life that they don't really own the, the, the IRL version of that Gucci shirt. But that's a whole different thing. Yeah. You know, I saw, I saw you in, in vision. You're, you're low. IRL, I'm in pajamas. Okay. I'm in yoga pants and, you know, socks with holes in them. Sorry. You're lucky if I did my hair. IRL, but in. Yeah. Oh, I am like, I'm, I'm rolling, I'm rolling in it. Oh man. You know, you're like, I don't know. You've like, the latest outfit that Beyonce had on. Okay. Can you imagine? She's like, she's like selling her gear. Yeah. I mean, I can kind of. Yeah. I mean, I feel like a lot of the stuff was sort of like, okay, maybe it's like very niche and a few people would care about like an avatar that has like, you know, expensive clothing, expensive shoes, cool hat, Beyonce hair, whatever. Um, but we're definitely in a position now where it's like, we're, we're going to start to have that conversation. It's not like cutesy and funny. It's like, it's your persona. Okay. So this leads the like, are you never going to like, are there people out there that are only going to want to live as their persona and never leave the house? Cause they can look the way they look, but they don't want to go out in real life. I mean, the way they look, which is probably, I would say yes, which is why, you know, a lot of people are online more than they're not because you can, you can be whoever you want to be online. Well, to a point, to a point, obviously, but you, that, that's easy. You know, like, am I walking up the house looking like Beyonce? No, never. I can't do it. Could spend a million dollars, still can't do it, but online could be fun. You know, and that's why I think that, you know, back in the day chat rooms proliferated, you know, cause people were like, Oh, I can just be whoever I want. You know, and you know, talk to whoever I want and have conversations that I wouldn't be able to have in real life. Yeah. You know, would be a lot harder to do that. So, yeah. I could see this being cool and also being a bit misleading for some, you know, it's the way that people get catfished online, you know, you know, stuff like that. And that's, that's even old school. Like there's more, there's more ways that people are getting fooled online, but I don't know, whatever, I might buy myself a Gucci avatar. What the heck? You know what? I want this for you. I do. I mean, I do like it. I'm just going to, I'm going to stick with Lulu lemon. Eileen, you know, cause I like a good elastic waist. I bet Gucci makes them for like 10 times the price. Probably they do. Yeah. Oh man. All right. Well, you know, I'm not going to poo poo personas. And you know, I'm sure they'll get better, but hopefully they don't get scarier. They are better. I mean, you know, after this whole conversation, the takeaway is they are better, at least from what I've kind of been able to, you know, play around with. Yeah. It's more, it's still weird. It's still weird. Not going to lie. It's still new, right? It's such a new thing and not many people have it. It's not normal. It's really not normal because not many people have the device. Right. If everybody did, and it would be like, Oh, this is the new norm. It's not because a lot of people, as you're describing it, are still kind of wrapping their heads around it. Like what is this and why would this, you know, why don't you just do a FaceTime call? You know, cause well, the thing is you're wearing the device. You're not going to look like you do with the device on. So it's not the same. Right. Yeah. And it has to be in the same camp or it, it's like, Oh, you know, you know, Roger over there, wearing his Apple vision pro. Sorry, Roger. I didn't, it was the first, it was the first name that came to mind. But yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I really do think that, especially as we come to hear, you know, more and more stories about the Apple vision pro being helpful to surgeons during surgery and, and just sort of like precision stuff. Yeah. That, you know, it's, you can laugh about it and be like, yeah, it's not for me. Well, it doesn't for everybody. That's for sure. I mean, I truly, I mean, I have a lot of tech friends who were like, what do you, what are you doing with the vision pro? And I'm like, I've been watching movies mostly. Yeah. But it's really good for that. Now, do I think that you need to pay a bunch of money to do that? No, certainly not. But, but you know, early days, early days. Totally. Totally. And the device will get cheaper. So we'll see. That's right. I mean, it was the next big thing until it's not the next big thing frame, which is our next story. Should we take a quick break? Let's do it. Speaking of the next big thing, which Mark Gurman has written about as it relates to Apple. And I alluded to it before the break, mostly because, you know, the article has a vision pro and Tim Cook there. That was the next big thing for Apple. And even Mark Gurman in this article, if you read it, he kind of was like, Oh, but it's, you know, he kind of, you know, it's just like he just pulled it out of his. And he kind of he doesn't know. He's just like, I'm sure I didn't. He was like, Oh, I don't know who's it, but let me find the right, the right language that he talked about. Cause I was like, Whoa, pretty strong words from him talking about, you know, sort of not, not a fall from grace. I don't know why I'm even thinking that, but it's just, people have moved on, You know, this article here talks about robots and AI, the car, which was shelved, you know, like there's so many things. Yeah. Like what would that be? I mean, so one of the things that I think resonated with me, you know, potential things was a low-cost iPad and, you know, people were like, well, why do you want that? Well, I have an Echo show in my kitchen. I love that thing, Amazon Echo show. Yeah. I, you know, I, I talked to it, it's all in my network of, you know, of other, I actually use Sonos devices, but they're using Amazon's assistant system. But you know, recipes, weather, weird, I don't know, like cat videos, just like you can kind of make it what you want. At my former apartment, I never like could figure out like where to put it where I'm like, it's sort of just annoying and all in your face, like, where do I put it? But in my current apartment, I love it in the kitchen. I have room for it in a corner and it's great for, you know, again, like cooking type stuff, but also just sort of like news and, you know, it's a little TV. If Apple were to do something like that, but like, you know, make it more apply, I think they would sell like hotcakes. I really do. You know, especially if it was something, you know, in the like, let's call it like $250, $300 range, like, that's a good price range. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like that cheap, they would do it by like 600. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, this is again, just me talking, you know, out of my teeth. But I think that that would be like a fun sort of like, oh, I, you know, I have an, you know, I have an Apple TV. I have an iPad. I have a MacBook, but I also have the Apple, who even knows, but it would be called like, you know, the Apple show, whatever, you know, and, you know, and I love it, you know, in my walk-in closet. I, you know, can talk to the, there are lots of ways that Apple, I think, could be part of the lifestyle, which it leans on very heavily. Yeah. Yeah. Apple is very much like, we are your lifestyle brand. Okay. Well, so let's talk about like some lifestyle stuff that doesn't cause $300, $300, $3, $500, you know, and, you know, and, and and, and, and get into that market. I think, I think that would be very smart for the brand. Yeah. I mean, your echo is, is you're, you're describing it. It's like, it's your friend. It's your, you know, I love that thing. I love it. Love it. I do. I mean, you know, I, I talked to, it's a her for us. I talked to her as well. Um, and I have also activated it to, you know, at the same time every day, what's the updates? What are the news? What are the updates? And she just starts talking. And I, if I'm not in the same room, sometimes I'm like, oh, what? Oh, it's time to listen to what she has to say. Oops. I mean, I just did that out of pure curiosity. And every once in a while, she, she turns on at the most inopportune time, like maybe we're watching something on television and we have to be like, shut up. Yeah. Not right now. It's not right now. No, thank you. But, you know, there's different versions of that Echo show, the large version with the big screen that you could actually, you know, if you wanted to do it right, tell it to play, you know, Netflix, and you can, you know, watch one of your shows while you're cooking, you know, or call your mother or, you know, I mean, you can do so many things on that. Yeah, I, I'm mostly just sort of like, you know, excuse me, Echo show, add, you know, radishes to my shopping list. Yeah. I'm like, literally, like, you know, I mean, but that's only one of many things you can do. Yes. Awesome. I will ask her to turn off and turn on the lights or I will, even though I have my phone or, you know, handy, I might say what is the weather today? Just because, you know, I've gotten up and I'm like, what is it? No, so I can prepare myself every morning. First thing I ask, what's the weather? And then she asked me, do you want to know about the pollen and the dust index? I'm like, sure. Sometimes, not all the time. So you can get as granular as that. But yeah, I do think that's something like that. It just, I have a feeling it's going to be so expensive, Sarah, I really do. I feel like everything that they do is premium and here's the thing though, like, and it kind of ties into, you know, some of the complaints with the DOJ, like we were talking about the other week. But like, the thing about preying that premium is that everything is going to work though. It will talk, it will, you know, all of your devices will really connect if you're using solely the Apple ecosystem. And that's something that, you know, I know some people are like, I don't care if it doesn't work that well actually, but you will though, if it, if it doesn't bother you. That's a good point. That's a good point. I mean, I feel like it's not so much that, you know, because non-Apple people sometimes say like, Apple, like, what a snobby, you know, ecosystem, like, you know, why you have other options. Apple promises, you know, excellence. Yeah. And, you know, and things will just work. And, you know, all of that stuff. And that, by and large, is true, but it comes at a price. It's also not perfect. I'm not, I'm, I, I know, I know full well it isn't. But, but yeah, it, you, you do, this is a company that says like, we, we don't want to, you know, we're not playing around with, you know, side loading and, you know, you know, what hacking it's like, no, no, we're family friendly. We're expensive. And when you buy our product, it works as advertised. Exactly. Exactly. And that's, I think what the general public doesn't understand that they're using and sort of, I don't know, just kind of takes it for granted, you know. Yeah. But you're using it every day and it works every day. And it's better that you don't complain about it. It just works. Right. Sarah T. W. Yes. The word I was trying to think of earlier with respect to Mark Gurman and his discussion on the, or his new thoughts on the Vision Pro is downplaying it. I found the sentence, which is, though the Vision Pro is now on store shelves, it's clearly not a mainstream hit. Like he wasn't being mean. He's just stating, you know, whatever his opinion slash fact slash whatever. So, but I guess, you know, it's also too early to tell, I feel like, because I don't know. I mean, again, I don't know what the, what the major goal was for Apple in terms of how many units to ship and how many units should be purchased for it to be like, this is, this is great, you know, positive on the scale versus negative on the scale. But it seems like it's, I would imagine that their estimates would have been conservative. And then they would understand like some people would just be curious, but not continue to use it. And then it's sort of a long play, the long play. Yeah, they're not just like, it's going to be a hit out the gate. Like nobody, like we've mentioned before, most people don't need this yet. But at some point, maybe you will, you know, maybe you will for your job. You have no idea. Um, I know that like this article that Mark Gurman talks about robots and like, did you ever play with the Astro, did you get the Astro home robot, Sarah, the one that we have in full disclosure, it's in my closet right now. Well, you know, we have to get rid of it because Sawyer could not handle it. He was like, yeah, yeah. So I think I think it went from your house to Roger's house and Roger was like, my kids, it's crazy, uh, Sarah, you're next. And I was like, okay. And then I moved and when I moved, you know, it was like in a box where I was like, should the movers like, this is a very expensive box. And they were like, okay. Um, and it's safely in a closet in my house to this day. And that reminds me, I should probably, I should probably, uh, you know, have some, have some time with the robot. Have some time, you know, gracious. Yeah. Speaking after I like plant, you know, all my plants. Sure. Yeah. You love speaking to your Echo show and is basically you're talking to the same thing. Yeah, totally. So I have a feeling you might be friends with it unless Otis doesn't like it, then there'll be a problem. I'll get over it. Yeah. I feel like he'll probably treat it like how he treated the vacuum the first time he saw the vacuum where he was like, kill at all costs. And now he's like, mm. Okay. That's good. Yeah. No, Sawyer was scared and ran and he has a heart condition. So we didn't want that to be the reason why he left us, you know, like, can you imagine being like, um, hi, Amazon, um, we need to talk. You're astro robot. This is a toy dog. Um, anyway, I think, you know, something like this, once you start playing with it, I mean, that could be an interesting area for Apple as well. Uh, you know, if, yeah, yeah, another device that could talk to all your other devices. Now, when we had it, it was sort of like, you know, trying to advertise like, um, bring, you could have it bring you drinks. Well, you still need a person to put the drink on the robot to get it to you. So if you're alone, yeah, it's not like it's like opening the fridge and, you know, like doing like a cocktail thing. That whole thing doesn't work. Like it's kind of a fun party trick for now. Um, but I also was like, okay, it danced a little bit. Um, again, early days for what it could really do, but, you know, if it could detect an earthquake, then I might be ready for it. If it could detect, um, you know, I don't know that I left my curling iron plugged, then great, then I think it's really useful. But I, you know, again, it's not there yet. You can, you can talk to it. You can, uh, I'm trying to imagine like things that it could be really helpful for, but it also is kind of awkward. And we have some rugs. And so sometimes at a hard time getting on the rug and moving the big roller wheels. I was like, oh, poor guy. Okay. Anyway, you know, I mean, you can detect where obstacle is and make that turn. But every once in a while it was like no can do. So it was, you know, kind of a comical, uh, situation. So I'm really anxious to hear you, uh, you know, yeah. By the time we come back here next week, I will have, I, I have to, I, I'm sorry, uh, Amazon robot. I forgot that you were in my closet. But I will, I will, I will have on the ground. Um, and I'm on one level here. So, so, um, it should, it should be okay. I mean, there's some, there's some rugs. There's some hardwood, um, you know, Otis, the dog will freak out and, um, and, you know, Ralphie, the cat maybe as well, but they, they're adoptable. They're fine. I mean, you know, they've been through worse. Yeah. And I bet like, I bet the robot will be fine. It's just what you feel like you would need it for. Like you just want to talk to it because it's around. Hey, you know, you could ask it to play music. You could ask it. Oh, there's a few times that I would ask it to play something, uh, or, or play a video on that. Two minutes did not work. It was like playing the wrong thing, just like, you know, when Alexa gets your information wrong. Totally. Which is like, I mean, I, I have friends who are like, why do you like have like all these smart lights and like the only way you can turn on your TV is to like ask her to turn it on. I'm like, isn't that cool though? Yeah. I think it's cool, you know, but like a lot of people are like, ah, so annoying, but to have like a physical robot friend near you, I don't know. I don't know. I think you need to try this out and see the potential for what Apple could do. You know, and just imagine it talking to all your devices seamlessly, you know, right? Um, Ambassador Domo says, uh, if it could take out the garbage. Yes. That would be like, can you, well, that would be the dream, right? So if I recycling and my composting winner right there, like I mean, that would, at my current apartment, you would have to go down a flight of stairs in a weird way. Um, get around my neighbor's cars. Pick up the trash. Go down a fairly long driveway to the street. Now, if that is possible, I'm in, but I think it's a long way off. I feel like Apple's going to charge like $20,000 for that. Right. Right. Yeah. It's like Vision Pro. You had no idea what we can charge. 20 grand. 20 grand for the garbage robot. But it's the best garbage robot you've ever seen, Eileen. The best one. That's what we're going to call it, the garbage robot. Okay. That is the killer feature. Okay. We are calling it right now. The killer feature is for a robot to, to take out your garbage and sift, um, compost, recycling, and then garbage. Absolutely. Because I spend a lot of time doing that myself. It's a pain. It's a pain. It is a pain. Oh man. Anyway, um, I think, uh, Sarah, you are frozen, but it is a cute frozen moment. So, um, don't worry about it. Okay. Well, I can still hear you. Yes. And we can, but I am, uh, weirdly getting a beach ball on my side. So, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, I don't know what's going on. Well, we'll just keep talking and, you know, what happens to me, I will keep the troops entertained. Well, uh, you reload, but, um, you know, we have a few more, uh, stories and I have a quick review of something, but, um, we, uh, are, uh, before we go, Taylor Swift, yes, yes, she has a new album coming out. And the reason why I'm mentioning her is not only because, you know, I do like her music, but, you know, there is an exclusive playlist for those of you that like Taylor Swift, uh, that is on Apple Music and, um, it's just a tease. I mean, there's nothing like, I literally looked at the playlist and I'm like, Oh, these are all her songs. It's not like she curated a playlist of other artists. It's just her and she gives like a little talk at the beginning, you know, um, and it's all her music. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, here's, here's like an excerpt. Let's see. Oh, can manifest itself. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I wanted you to hear the beginning. Apple Music, welcome to my, you don't get to tell me about SAG playlist. These songs all have one thing in common. I wrote them while feeling anger. Yeah. Doesn't she always do that though? I love it. You know what, T Swift, I am with you to the end of time. I mean, you know, that girl is popular for a reason. But yeah, like, you know, she's got, yeah, all of her met that that's one playlist out of four in anticipation of her new album. So thought I would mention that for y'all. And, um, yeah, I mean, I, you know, I'll probably listen to the new album. Are you, are you, uh, what would you consider yourself a Swifty? No, not, no, but I also, I mean, I, there are Taylor Swift knows how to make a pop hit. You know, I mean, she's been doing it for decades and I like a lot of her songs. I, I, I don't consider myself to Swifty, but I, I think it's really cool that people do. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's sort of how I feel about it. I'm, you know, I, I'd like, again, like going back to like the spectacle of things, you know, when we were talking about like the eclipse earlier, it's like, yeah, I like that people just want to love something. Uh, yeah, yeah, you know, and, and it's like, it, instead of being like, well, I don't love it. So, you know, why do you love it? It's like, just like lean into people loving something. I think that's great. Yeah. I think it's just watching people be happy is, is finally a good thing. Right. That's right. Yes. Exactly. People angry about something, but like we, we, we take it for granted that you could actually be happy about something. And then that's good news, you know? So she just happens to have 100% and then that is bigger than anything that I've ever seen in my lifetime, you know, kudos for her, you know? Yeah. So anyway, if you're into Taylor Swift, there's that on Apple Music, which is exclusive to Apple Music. Um, and speaking of audio, Sarah, so, um, I am on TikTok a lot. And TikTok has their shop. They have their TikTok shop and I have bought, oh, I think there she goes. Let's see. Um, I think I will have to edit this part. But I'll go back into my review. So TikTok shop has caught me a few times. I bought a walking pad. I bought a, um, let's see. Well, I'll just tell you right now. I bought these earphones, everybody. And, uh, well, let's see. Do we think Sarah is actually going to come back or not? Maybe I should wait for her. Um, she should hear this. I shouldn't just talk about this without her hearing this. But, uh, hmm, remember a couple of weeks ago when this happened to me? Well, hopefully I can entertain you guys. Um, while we wait for Sarah to return, if she returns, she got that beach ball. She was frozen. Uh, let's see here. Let me, uh, get to some of your comments in the chat. Oh, Sarah, let's go back to the robot. Yes. If it could actually provide a therapy session. Now, my guess is that you could call your therapist on the device and speak to it, or let's see, yes, you could use it as your own, although it's not medically, um, you know, uh, the real thing, let's see here. But yes, maybe your robot could provide a type of therapy, you know, to combat, I don't know, loneliness or just to help answer some questions. Let's see here. Anybody else got something to ask me? Uh, okay. Yeah. Seaspan. Let's talk about Korea. Any recommendations for Busan? Yes. Many. Um, I would go to the seafood market. Um, let me see if I can look that up right now. Oh, there she is. Let's add her back. Did you miss me? Well, I was about to start talking about Korean, uh, you know, Busan site. So thankfully you're back. You know, it's a case of the Mondays around here. I blame the Eclipse. Oh, you know what? I do too. I do too. That has to be the phenomenon right now. A few Eclipse. All right. Um, so you were, you, um, before, before I, um, unfortunately had to, uh, bounce off and restart my computer. You were talking about, uh, new headphones. Yes. So I am on Tik Tok quite a bit and Tik Tok shop is a thing there, which annoys a lot of people on Tik Tok, but yet there are cool finds, uh, and cheap deals. So for instance, like for a while, Tik Tok would give you a coupon, you know, like, you know, 25% off just to try the shop. I had like a $20 coupon and, you know, the annoying thing about Tik Tok shop is that there will be multiple creators that will pitch the same product and you'll just see it in your feed over and over again. You're like, Oh my God, you just, you just, well, I found these Lenovo, uh, headphones. They're a little circular headphones here. Let me give you that kind of cool looking. Isn't that cool? Yeah. It's the think plus true wireless Bluetooth headset and it's $25 on Tik Tok shop, but I had a $20 coupon. So essentially it was $5. I was like, all right. I'm going to give you like more or less free. Yeah. Yeah. I have, um, currently I'm wearing my, uh, beats that were handed down to me from Tom, um, wearing those and they work very well. Beats are nice. But I, you know, want to give this a try. So, um, for $25, you get what you pay for. That's what I'm going to say right now. Now these are over the ear. Yeah. So, you know, if you've tried, so some people, I don't know about you, Sarah, but I don't really dislike AirPods. I don't, they don't hurt my ears. Do they hurt your ears? No, I mean, um, no, um, ear buds. Have, um, not hurt my ears, but not been a great fit in the past. Yeah. I feel like AirPods, Apple AirPods are great. However, over the ear is my preferred because like when you're running, like it's never going to like fall off your ear or, you know, that kind of stuff. Yeah. That's exactly right. That's why I think people really like these. And like I said, they're, you know, they just fit over your ear. I can't really wear them right now because I'm actually wearing my beets, but they fit there and they definitely won't fall. The issue is, and I don't know about you, I like to listen to my music very loud, like very loud. You can hear, if I'm jogging, I want, yeah, like the world is gone. Yeah. I am listening to Kesha real loud right now. Like, and maybe you don't want people to know or maybe you don't care, but they will know. Now, if you're outside, it's a little bit different. But if you're like in your home and someone's there, they will hear it. They will know. Oh, she's got Kesha five times in a row. Are you okay, Sarah? I'm like, tick tock on the block. The only song that I can actually really karaoke without feeling really embarrassed, to be honest with you. Um, but yeah, so these Lenovo headphones, they are circular in nature when you put them in the unit pod. It's like 30, 30 hours once you get a full charge. And, you know, it, it, that's, that's, yeah, that's a good charge. Now, the only thing I will say about this, if you are an Apple user, and I like to bring this up because I think we'll be talking about third party products a lot on this show is that it doesn't work seamlessly. These beats that I'm wearing. I could be listening to my music on my phone, but then I need to swap and go to my laptop. No problem. I don't have to take off my headphones. I don't have to touch a thing. It's just gonna, I'm going to hear it. Right. I mean, these are beats and I know Apple owns beats, but you know, and then these bad boys too, same thing. Right. The era, yeah, Max, it's just works seamless from device to device. Now, these Lenovo's, I have to cancel it out. I have to cancel it off my phone in order for me to hear it on my laptop, whatever I want. I have to literally disconnect every single time. That's a pain. But do you see how like it's a minor inconvenience, but an inconvenience? Yeah, I mean, this is like a Bluetooth thing. It's a Bluetooth. Yeah, this is Bluetooth. Yeah, Bluetooth can be so squirrely. I mean, to this day, my iPhone 15 Pro Max that I got, I don't know, as a gift. Thank you, Lamar Wilson. I don't know, like two months ago. It will not connect to my car. Car play, it's fine. But when my car is like, okay, Bluetooth device, like my watch can connect this. Stupid phone cannot connect. So I have to, like, you know, sometimes, for example, if I'm in a hurry, I'm like, I just want to like go to Target and like get some face wash, you know, like I'm not plugging in my phone. So like car play, like not part of it. But if it worked well, my phone would connect to my car system via Bluetooth and, you know, at least like if somebody called me, you know, go over the car speakers. Yeah, something weird about that. Well, you need the Apple car because then it would work seamlessly. I do. I need the Apple car. Yeah. Which goes back again, it's almost all back again as we were talking, you know, about the DOJ and things like that. I was thinking about that and I didn't want to, you know, jump ahead. But like the only inconvenience to these headphones, other than it, you know, it sounds decent. Now, again, over the year is different than in your ear. So we guess we understand what true. True. True. Yeah. But, you know, for the price, it plays very well and it can support multiple devices. Like it does support like my iPhone, my iPad. The laptop is, you know, a little wonky and it also does support my my Android phone. But again, I have to physically disconnect in order to use this with a different device. And that is inconvenient, whereas, yeah, the beats and the regular Apple iPod Macs, like they just work, it just moves from device to device. Right. And it doesn't move to the Android. No, it doesn't move to the Android. But in some ways, this actually works better. This Lenovo works better with my Samsung flip, believe it or not. I don't know. It just it just they talk nicer. But when I first started using these headphones, too, it would not stop trying to launch Apple music every single time. I was like, no, I want to listen to Spotify or I want to listen to what I was just listening to on TikTok. But it would, yeah, all things change. That was the first time. And now it doesn't really do that anymore. But I don't know if I've trained it or what. But, listen, for twenty five dollars, these are not bad and they're super cute. And if you need, like it comes with this cool little lanyard, you could wear it, you know, and they come in three different colors. I'm not trying to get you to buy it because there are limitations. But I'm just trying to give it some love, even though, you know, what? Options are good. Options are good. Now, these headphones are a little bit more expensive. And obviously, these are way expensive, the Max AirPods Max. So, yeah, you know, not everybody's going to be able to afford those. But if, you know, you want something even even my AirPods Pro, I got them because I have a credit card that gives me Amazon credits. And I sort of forgot about that for a while. And like at one point I was like, wow, I have enough credit to like buy some airbods. I'm doing it, you know, because before I was like, I have Jabra's. It's fine. I don't want, you know, I don't want like stupid expensive Apple stuff. And once I got them, I was like, oh, they're so nice. They're really nice. Yeah, they're they just it's not that they're any. Deterrents really, but they just work better. That's yeah. So that's the difference. There you go. That is that is your move, Apple. And it's just like those those slight conveniences that you don't even think about really go a long way. Yeah. Yeah. In my opinion. But that's just, you know, some people don't care. Some people are like, I'll fix it. It's fine. They're they're more of a tinker. You know, they want to be able to fix things. Yes. And that's fine. I'm more of a throw money at the problem person. Same. I just I don't want to see her and just make it better. Because I don't know that you care, but like if I don't want to learn something like I don't want to spend the time to learn how to fix this, I won't. I just won't get done. It just needs to work. And I feel like perhaps I'm maybe more of the general population in that way. So anyway, um, so that was it. That's my little it's a positive. It's I would say out of 10, I would give it a six, six out of 10. Not like, all right. No, all right. Because I mean, six out of 10, we're, you know, we're not failing. We're definitely, you know, we're, we're on the, uh, the up and up. Yeah. And I think like the design is cute. The audio is not that great, but it is over the ear. But you can't beat the price. Even without my $20 coupon, it's only $25. That's not bad. I mean, I mean. It does work. Yeah. Um, headphones could be a lot more expensive, depending on where you're going with them. Um, well, Eileen, I think it might be time to wrap up the show. Did you want to, um, shout out a couple of people on our socials? Because, because we have been getting responses and we really, really appreciate them. Yeah. I noticed them on YouTube. And, um, last week, uh, you and Amos, I believe we're talking about an Apple store might have been on the, um, post show, but, um, you guys were trying to figure out what, uh, Apple store that was and that, and he says, and Dallas. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And he says, I'm guessing you're talking about the Knox Street Apple store at the corner of two major Dallas streets. That was the one I go to in the early 2000. There's a pretty good Mexican restaurant across the street from it. Chewies. Oh, Mac TX. Oh, I love that. I probably was at that Apple store. I mean, who even knows how many Apple stores are in Dallas? I've only been to Dallas the once, but, um, yeah, yeah, I, I love that. I love that. Um, it apparently is, you know, a cool hood. So next time, and I'm in town, um, I don't know, next time we have a, and a clips or something, um, we can all go get, um, Chewies, uh, tacos. There you go. Um, and then the last two are actually related to the story about your mom. Um, I see cold 9406 says while you were discussing fall detection, I discovered that mine is not on. So they are not on by default. Sarah, are you sure fall detection was on at the time of your mom's fall? I, I, I am. Um, and the reason I am is because, um, when my mom got her Apple watch years ago, well, she's, she's, she has the newest one now, but she's, she's been an Apple watch person for some time. Um, as soon as that was an option, I was like, turn it on. Let's both turn it on because I wear my Apple watch as well. So yes, I'm, I'm very confident that it was on, but, um, thank you for, um, reminding folks that it is not on by default and, um, you know, whether it's you or a loved one or, you know, a friend or, you know, whoever that might, uh, benefit from something like this, just make sure you check your settings. Exactly. And one last one from TikTok, uh, from Pup Lucifer, uh, says, I can second this. Same thing happened with my grandma's Apple watch when she had a seizure because she was able to catch herself, slide down the wall. It did not detect quote unquote a fall. Interesting. Yeah. So it doesn't always work, I guess. What you're about to say, I didn't have it on. I also feel like falls are just, I mean, you know, like, well, it's a fall, you know, it might, it might, like, you might fall on your head. You might fall on your butt. You might like slip. I mean, falls can, um, you know, be really bad, especially, you know, for certain people, but they don't necessarily, you know, they're not like crazy dramatic, you know, exactly. If you fall down a flight of stairs, like that's dramatic, you know, maybe it was snowing, I don't know, you know, but like in my mom's, um, situation, she didn't even really fall. Yeah. She just sort of slipped and, you know, now we'll spend the next six months of her life trying to, you know, put her leg back together. Yeah. Oh, mom. Oh, I know, I know. Uh, well, anyway, that was the feedback for, uh, this past week that I thought we should share, but, uh. Thanks, y'all. You know what? You make our show better. If you want to continue to give us feedback, anything that we talk about on the show, please do so feedback at applevisionshow.com. Thank you. Thank you. And you can find us on Instagram and Tik Tok. Thanks for, um, liking, uh, you know, our posts, whatever we put up there from time to time. And yeah, appreciate it. Spread the word. Send it around. You know, if you think it's especially funny, we appreciate that. We appreciate that. We appreciate any feedback, uh, any reviews. Um, I saw we had a few reviews that were very kind on Apple podcast as well. So we thank you for that. But, uh, yeah, just, uh, just know that we're listening. We're listening. We hear you. We see you. We stand with you. As Apple, uh, does anyone even get that joke? I don't know. Maybe they do. Maybe they do. Somebody will be like, oh, Sarah, I knew it. I got it. I got it. I got you. I got you, girl. I got it. All right. Well, that's, uh, that, that's about it. Personas and the future of, uh, Sarah's robot, uh, in the closet that I had forgotten about. So I'm probably going to hear about that from somebody else. Um, but, uh, you know, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? Um, this was fun. Uh, episode 10 of Apple vision show in the can. And Eileen, we're going to be back doing it all again next week. We will. Maybe someday it'll be earlier and early that morning breakfast. Maybe morning show. That'll, that'll be a reason to have, I'm actually sort of into that idea, but you know, we'll ruminate on it. Yeah. We'll ruminate a little more. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. If you guys encourage us, maybe we'll see. We'll see. This morning is like lunchtime for some people, right? Like, or, or morning for us is dinner or yeah, yeah. And you're a nice snack. I mean, yeah, it all depends on where you live. Are you team breakfast or team lunch or team dinner? Let us know. We're not dinner. We're not doing dinner, but you know, yeah, we're not doing dinner. At that point, it'll just be drinks. It'll just be wine and yeah, it's like dinner. Yeah. No, no, thanks. All right, everybody. See you all next week. Well, maybe I should play our little thing, right? See, I haven't done this in a while. Here we go. All right, we did it. You did it, Sarah. You had one dropout. It wasn't as crazy as mine. So, but yeah, that's all was probably bugging you the whole time, right? I don't know what was going on with that. Right before the show, I had restarted. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. No idea. Yeah, these are all anomalies. And let's just blame the eclipse. We blame it on the eclipse, the total eclipse. Yeah. I do want to just really quick, just for the post show for C-spawn, just so that I address this. But you should go to the Heyunde blue line capsule. I have it on my Instagram here. It's a beautiful. Oh, fun. Oh, it's like a like a like a gondola. Trolley. Yeah. And you're like on the water and you could see it. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah. It's a very, very slow ride. But, you know, take your time. You know, you don't need to, you know, look how beautiful you get in one of these trolleys and you just kind of like sit there. You could bring some food, but you can enjoy the water. Hopefully it's a clear day when you go, but it's it's very, very beautiful. We were lucky to be able to go there during sunset. So, you know, the sun's going down. There's the ocean. It looks gorgeous. So that is my big, it's not very expensive. It's not very expensive. So other than that, I would go to night markets and I would go to have seafood in Busan because they're right by the water and they have really good seafood. But yeah, there's plenty of things. But that that'll be my number one thing for for you to do. There's also like actual gondola ride. We didn't do that, but you could do that too. And if you could get it during the sunset, it's just gorgeous, as you can imagine, while you're, you know, by the beach, since Busan is by the water. So I don't recommend the train to Busan unless you like to run if it was safe. I was there were jokes in the video about, you know, zombies. There are no zombies on the train to Busan. You guys, it was totally safe. But are you are you doubting that, Sarah? No, I'm like, what? Oh, so there's a movie called. There's a movie called Train to Busan and it's a Korean film. And the people in Korea are infected and the city of Seoul gets infected. And then you see the journey of a bunch of people taking a train to go south to Busan to hopefully avoid being coming a zombie. And so there's all these jokes now when you take the train to go to Busan. Like, are you a zombie or there be zombies, you know, got it. Got it. So it's a very, very good thriller film. Well, no, there's some that survive. Ambassador Domo, I'm not going to spoil the movie if you it's on Netflix. You can watch it at any time, but it's pretty good. It's pretty like if you want something that like is, you know, it's a zombie film, like, you know, it's it's a but it's a very good one. And, you know, keeps your heart racing, you know, you're like, oh, are they going to make it? How are they going to make it? And just, you know, the mass casualty of it all, you know, I love that. Yeah, it's really, it's really good. And it's also like, I think it kind of tugs at the heart a little bit. So not in a bad way. You're mostly just like, oh my God, can you get out? Can you get out? And, you know, how do you avoid getting bitten? Like any other zombie show movie. But, you know, it's always the way you tell it, right? So anyway, well, I need to take my pop up out because he has not been outside for some time. He's fine. But, you know, mine was stirring just a minute ago. He was like, are you done? I think. He was like walking around. Like, yeah, he's like, I gotta, I gotta judge. This is taking too long. Let's get up. He kind of just laid back down. But he's like, I'm going to get back up in a minute and terrorize if you don't, if you don't get up. So, oh, this one was like, I want to go out and burk at the neighbor dogs. Oh, the other day, Sawyer actually was like into a squirrel, like into like, er, I was like, oh, this old man, like, OK, good for you. Wanted to, he hasn't gone after a squirrel in a long time. I mean, you know, bless his heart. When he sees one, he sits and looks at me and then looks at that and is like, I want to kill this girl. But he keeps sitting, you know, I say, keep sitting, you know, and he's like, OK, but look at this girl. Did you train him like with a treat or something to sit down or did he just? No, OK. He just he just knew over time. He's like, I will be in a better place if I just sit and look at the squirrel rather than lunge for the squirrel. OK, yeah, you know, yeah. Yeah, and, you know, on our walk, I'm like, that's right. That's right. I try not to like make a big deal, you know, because I'm like, you know, who cares about the squirrel? Whatever, I'm going to walk, you know, we're on the inside. I'm like, you're like, please don't lunge. I don't want to deal with. Yeah, like don't lunge because then I'll be like dragged on asphalt. So, yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, I get it. We both need to take care of the pups. So thank you everybody for being here. Yes, everybody. This was fun. 10 ups down. See you next week. Oh, there goes my balloons. Oh, balloons. All right. OK, bye.