 to push there it is there it is yeah you know a bizarre campaign from from Christie from soup to nuts you know he ultimately you know kind of spent his entire campaign running away from the idea that he was just this northeastern brawler who you know would govern in the way that he governs you know in the northeast but then ultimately that was the most defining element and effective element of his campaign was being kind of this this gruff this gruff guy so yep I found that whole bit fascinating and meanwhile poor I Carly oh Tom says you can do the whole you are because Tom is all over this hold on we can do the whole what the whole holy calm says you do the whole URL and alpha geek video now final code although maybe it will also work hold on I'm gonna I'm gonna re slack that he keeps chiming in and my latest responses go to bed oh Twitter reports Q4 adjusted EPS where who boards they said no up reports I thought he said a board get your we don't we're not ready a board report here is for Twitter's Q4 report and may use 320 million compared to 320 million in the third quarter of 20 where is it we're who send me a link and I'll write it up on on the business insider let me yeah this lack wait what apparently a GR is not streaming well it's gonna I just did it again so it's gonna probably take a sec to spin up 710 million up 48 year-on-year in line with the 710 so it it hit expectations but did not surpass it EPS adjusted 16 cents compared to the 12 cents average analyst expectation so beat the EPS projections all right I will write these up these are not what I want though and business insider speculates yeah no no that there might be more news to come yeah those are then those are the expect those are the expected numbers not the actual numbers I'm looking at the Twitter live log I will also go find recode because I am a glutton for no this is being adjusted here on on business insider I guess that these are those those three points are just what they've pulled out from the announcement all right well by the time you get to it it will be beautifully written for you don't you worry meeting expectations yeah I mean and by meeting expectations we mean totally not meeting expectations well no according to this it did I mean except for monthly active users year-on-year that went down or just stagnant year-on-year but revenue was up 48 percent year-on-year and hit the 710 million expectation of Wall Street okay would you like to start the show we could all right let me get my poop ready your poop ready son are you recording by the way I'm gonna record right need to remember to here we go now back up isn't is going my computer isn't locked up we're in fat city all right here we go we're sorry this payphone does not accept coins for long distance calls you may wish to consider using your nickel to support the daily tech news show by going to daily tech news show dot com support that's daily tech news show dot com slash support is the daily tech news for Wednesday of February 10th I'm Justin Robert young Tom marriage day but the tech news does continue to move on joining me is the host of current geek the host of the morning stream the host of the instance and so many other podcast ladies and gentlemen boys and girls it's Scott Johnson hey how come we haven't done this together before Tommy's he gets sick more often so we can just come in here and wears hat and play this game we we really enjoy putting on Tom Merritt hats and and just prancing around his playhouse and and doing the news here for you and we've got a tremendous amount for you coming up let's go ahead and get into the headlines let's get into the headlines Reuters reports that the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration sent a letter to Google on February 4th about driverless cars the letter said NHTSA will interpret driver in the context of Google's described motor vehicle design as referring to the self-driving system and not do any of the vehicle occupants the next step would be to formally rewrite regulations requiring things like steering wheels and foot pedals so I got here's the only thing I would say about this every time I I read anything or talk about anything to do with automated cars yeah I start to wonder how any of this will ever get past the scrutiny that is surely waiting for it and this sounds like more of that we are do you think Justin we ever get to a point where that car is just straight up driving me somewhere I don't have to have special pedals I don't have to have redundant systems we are just trusting that the hardware is going to get me where I need to go and any accidents will be small and you know superficial at best yes I think that the fact that we will get there is is almost inevitable the fact that we are not there now is the anomaly and what we are seeing is the slow erosion of kind of some of the legal barriers between now and then what needs to happen for to get here as soon as possible is these legal barriers to come down as the technology continues to increase if you look at a lot of these tests the vehicles are very very safe and that's really what everybody wants to avoid both the lawmakers they're trying to keep the citizenry safe and the creators of these vehicles like Google don't want there to be a lower legal represent a local a lower legal barrier for them to do stuff and then some kind of tech disaster that cost a human life they want everything to be you know bubbling up the exact same time so a driverless car is the safest ride you can take yeah I totally get that I just sometimes I wonder like if if we lived in a time where we had yet to have motorized vehicles I realize this is a silly question even asked but if we if that was today and tomorrow they were about to release just cars as we know them never happened man it's too crazy what we do you're asking us to drive 65 miles an hour on a highway you're supposed to have all this crunch together in bad traffic supposed to have roads that are paved so we don't explode and crash and die like it already feels like human beings are doing a thing that we shouldn't necessarily have thought to be a great idea in the first place I just don't want a bunch of roadblocks so to speak stopping automated cars and but but this this is a process right and and you don't want things kind of going too fast or else you know we we might have something that would affect the progress of it and delay it by you know quarter century yeah and there's nothing to do when they start reporting deaths it's you know the very first death it might be one for electric automated cars versus 3000 that day for normal driving very sorry one last note on this very important to point out this is a federal agency that is making this ruling really a lot of this is going to come down state by state as California and Texas specifically have taken divergent tracks California being a little bit more harsh on driverless cars and Texas well welcoming it with a little bit more open arms well good job Texas twitter announced a new feature today that puts around a dozen recommended posts at the top of your timeline in reverse chronological order some controversy about this refreshing the time I will return it to just the normal reverse chronological listing the change will show up first as an option in settings and gradually be turned on for all users although users can turn it off if they want to in the settings people are up in arms but aren't they always about changes on their social platform of choice the sky is falling scott all right be twitter this is this is an absolute travesty no one will ever be able to recover from oh wait no it's optional this was certainly the tempest in a teapot for the weekend and we're going to discuss it in depth in our discussion section however scott any any final thoughts here on or just initial impressions on on what this actually is as opposed to what we thought it might be over the weekend well it's very difficult to tell how this will even affect me because I use tweet bot on mobile and I use tweet deck which twitter owns but I use tweet deck on browser and in both cases neither of those two platforms have been showing me any of the curated stuff since twitter started implementing such things so this reverse chronological order or additional posts or any of this stuff may not have an effect on me anyway because I don't use the twitter web client I don't use the twitter mobile client so I I'm guessing there are a lot of people who listen to the show are in that same boat and they will not be affected one way or the other either so unless you're you're you're hovering around the the web client all day and worried about what changes coming to it then I don't I don't even see how this is that big a deal well because it would also mean like if you use their official app clients that you know that the the changes will show up there so it doesn't affect a large amount of users also more to come later in the show is the twitter earnings which certainly has been just a double shot of I'm sure anxious news for twitter HQ the Guardian reports that US director of national intelligence James Clapper told the US Senate Tuesday that intelligent services might be a might use the internet for things of things for that let's start again intelligent services might use the internet of things for identification surveillance monitoring location tracking and targeting for recruitment or to gain access to networks or user credentials a new cyber security initiative unveiled by the White House commits the department of homeland security to quote test and certify network devices within the internet of things now to test refrigerators and microwaves and light bulbs and all that stuff is what you're telling me listen this is how the robot uprising starts you know they start to get friendly men on the inside of our kitchens and from there on it is an absolute disaster you know I mean this the does this seem to you like a prudent move by the federal government no here's what I think of this I'm well alright I understand it's all connected to the internet and maybe just maybe some sleeper cells somewhere is going to figure out a way to get their coffee maker internet of things enabled coffee maker to transmit terrible data somewhere I don't know like maybe I'm not looking deep into it enough but I feel like the internet of things which is not just you know limited to household items or automating your home lighting system or any of that I know it's more complicated than that or there's more that can be done but I think them testing every single thing is a waste of their time of taxpayer dollars and is just gonna juice up the conspiracy theorists I think the you know that they're gonna inject these things or force them to inject backdoors and things so that they can get in them and surveil them so that we don't have you know the control of the privacy we want you know I think this is a great thing that that Tom if he does indeed recover and please everybody send your well wishes to add ace detect on Twitter right now should bring up with Darren kitchen because not only is there I think a legitimate question asked that I don't know the answer to on how much an internet of things enabled household allows backdoors into a network but also for somebody who wants to make an internet of things specific device does this add an extra level of cost and delay into getting something to market well the problem is the internet of things as it stands up today is a is a multitude of standards all sort of buying or competing for for different adoption some are more open than others some are less secure than others some are all out janky terrible from somewhere in China who isn't really thinking about security so until that stuff gets locked down and that's just gonna take the industry coming together and saying we've got to decide on some of these protocols and standards I kind of hope that the regulation comes from within we don't have to wait for some outside body to do it I always look back at the video game industry of the 90s when they implemented the rating system was self-imposed it had all sorts of hooks for those in power to be able to look at it and say alright are they are they doing this well are we being served by this self-imposed system and it worked out really well for them I know this isn't exactly the same you still have the sec regulations you got to go through when it comes to certain vices around your home but I hope the industry is the one that steps up adopts some standards works on security and doesn't just let government or governments swoop in and try to do that that would be good Netscape creator oh sorry go ahead I just think it'd be nice yeah hey be nice is what Justin guys come on Netscape creator Mark Andreessen not a guy who holds back when he wants to say some things has said some things he put in a Facebook or he's actually on the Facebook board and for those who don't know he's also the creator of Netscape's or Netscape's browser way back in the day so been around done some things invest in a lot of stuff he was very disappointed that India ruled that free basics by Microsoft violated net neutrality in that country as he does sometimes he took to Twitter and called the ruling morally wrong unquote and in at replies wrote anti colonialism has been economically catastrophic for the Indian people for decades why stop now question mark that tweet has since been deleted a little harsh there the message I mean not believing it this morning he wrote I apologize for any offense caused by my earlier tweet about Indian history and politics I admire India and the Indian people enormously Facebook later released a statement saying quote we strongly reject the sentiments expressed by Mark Andreessen last night regarding India unquote you can't really kick them off the board can you I mean who knows whether or not this is something that lasts long enough for that to be an issue would just to correct something earlier this is of course free basics by Facebook not Microsoft they this has been a controversial offering certainly Mark Andreessen is somebody as you mentioned that always is very very willing to speak his mind and somebody that was on at the bottom of the barrel when it came to you know Microsoft's issue of bundling an antitrust far back in the day do you think I mean obviously this is something that he felt he needed to walk back and apologize for do you think that it is something offensive enough to to be kicked off the board said one white guy to another white guy about something about the Indian continent well alright speaking as a white guy with no real connection to either side of this I would say that I people say stuff on Twitter all the time like they're at some point we're going to not ever be surprised anymore I suppose Tim could get on could get on tomorrow and say I just strangled the cat and threw it in a fire and we should be shocked by that little extreme but something like this he's clearly got some passion for the project he's on the board he's interested in those all the bottom lines that are connected to that but not just that that's a guy who's known to have passion about a lot of things and is not the first time that he's taken to Twitter with some strong opinions so if he is allowed to share strong opinions then big deal let him do it let him say what he's going to say if Facebook feels bad or poorly that someone on their board did that then they should have the right to do the same and apologize for him or disavow those comments which is what they did so in the end again tempest in a teapot a little bit of nothing over nothing except to say that he's a passionate guy wants to say stuff and I don't think you want to necessarily stifle a guy like my Mark Andries it does put a bit of a face to a kind of lingering conversation with with specifically the free basics by Facebook in India which is the idea of Western colonialism obviously India country with a very very very particular history on that Apple music is now officially out of beta on Sonos devices worldwide including features like for you radio and my music Sonos has been beta testing the service with hundreds of thousands of users since December 15th including your humble podcast host to add Apple music Sonos users can select add music services from the controller app select the Apple music icon and then log into the service do you have a do you have the Sonos there Scott I don't but I have an app I have Apple music and I have a couple of devices I wouldn't mind seeing Apple music on I like that they're reaching out and saying we're willing to put our services on other devices be it Android or whatever I would really like it if I don't think this is going to happen mind you but I would really like it if Amazon and Apple could shake hands and my echo would let me do that I do that already through Bluetooth but that kind of sucks I want to have it like sort of native to that thing I want to control it from within that device I want more features that the echo will provide me and that's not happening or at least it doesn't seem to be happening and it feels like maybe one of those deals that may not be struck because of their weird relationship but if it was up to me that would be my next step I would love it if those I mean listen Apple music you know they made an Android app and if that's if that's where they want to go and they want to get this in the hands of everybody they possibly can yeah you know you never know yeah we'll see opera announced Wednesday that's today it has received a $1.2 billion buyout offer from a consortium of Chinese companies these include Kuihu 360 and Kanyang backed by the Golden Brick and Young Liang investment funds I know I got every word right opera's board recommends that or excuse me recommends the deal according to ZD net opera has been seeking a buyer since August 2015 so opera man finally getting its due in the Chinese market I mean now all I can think of is a gif of opera man the Adam Sandler character from weekend update US representatives Ted Lu and Blake Fahrenheit hold are introducing the encrypt act Wednesday Reuters saw the text of the bill and says it would prevent any state or locality from mandating a manufacturer these are quote quote quote manufacturer developer seller or provider design or alter the security of a product so it can be decrypted or surveilled by authorities New York and California have proposed rules requiring companies to be able to decrypt smartphones they sell this seems like an issue that will only continue to get bigger specifically because a lot of the people that sell these smartphones are a little wary of government government regulations in a post prism world what say you Johnson I say that I again I'm going to come off as sounding like some sort of hardcore libertarian but on these sorts of issues I get real skittish about how much the government wants to metal in the device world and software services world and all this sort of thing and anytime an article like this pops up I just smell something stinky dude I don't like it I'm not conspiratorial about it I don't think they're trying to screw me or surveil me or mess around with me I just don't think they need to get their hands all dirty in it just let it go if there's something that crops up fine we deal with it when we deal with it now some would say well Scott what if that thing that crops up is somebody blows up Kansas with a cell phone or something and we could have stopped it because we would have known ahead of time because we would have had all this technology under the purview of the government and it feels a little far fetched to me I don't know I I realize there has to be something we can't just give food and drugs to people without there being some sort of safeguards I just don't know that this stuff falls it within those umbrellas so if it's up to me little less hands on back off just because something's big now doesn't mean you have to get all involved in it and also I don't like the capital encrypt act it just seems dangerous scary and too governmental for me I'm sure it's now I'm sure it's one of those what is it when every word means a thing every letter means a thing acronym a initialism sure yeah it's like the energy nether realm you know crypt keeper who knows you just keep crypt in there and just add keeper you know so let's let me tell you a story kiddies haha brilliant according to torrent freak that was my nickname in high school PayPal stopped accepting payments for Canadian VPN and smart DNS service Unoteli this week PayPal said that Unoteli violated the acceptable use policy for by circumventing technological measure or sorry for circumventing technological measures without the authority of the copyright owner Unoteli markets itself is being able to bypass Geo blocks for Netflix and Hulu Unoteli advised customers to pay with credit cards instead thank you to Mel Mel Kezadik 74 for posting this on the subreddit yeah these things come and go it's the lime wire of our day well I mean but but the question here is business models based on these kinds of circumvention and whether or not they are legal in the country that they operate in and if they can be affected monetarily by companies leaning on operations like PayPal again PayPal was owned by or they just recently spun out by eBay but this is a company with a lot of relationships with a lot of different companies including those that would like to see some of these geofences stay up so they can continue to monetize every element of it Unoteli that's that's that's half British half Spanish for one television right sure right we got I got one more here Jeff Huber I'm going to say Huber because I think that's right maybe it's Huber one of the people who helped put together Google X research lab is leading the company say what no it's funny I just like your your around the world translations of Mr. Huber Mr. Huber anyway he helped together Google X research lab he is leaving the company to become CEO of Grail a biotech company that develops blood tests to detect cancer seems like a worthy endeavor Huber's wife Laura died of cancer last year on Google plus Huber wrote if Grail had existed before and caught her cancer earlier it's very possible she'd still be with us today Google X research lab we were talking before the show kind of a strange place isn't it well you know it's certainly got a lot of expectations to it you know this was something that was parried in Silicon Valley as the moonshot factory right and and if in any situation you have as much brain power as Google has the lofty expectations that Google says that they want to you know govern their company by and the financial ability to pretty much make anything that is humanly possible possible obviously you're going to have just a lot of pressure there as for you know Mr. Huber you know there's nobody that's going to look a scans at him leaving so he can dedicate himself to solving cancer right especially when stakes are so personal to him and I think it's easy to say that we wish him all the best yeah absolutely and I and I guess what I'm saying on the Google X side which has little to do with him leaving I hope that that becomes what they meant it to be one day which is the great think take of Google you know in the tradition of the early Silicon Valley types that would put their heads together and change the world I think that's kind of what they want and I hope he goes on to hey if he kills cancer he's he's the man I'll you know Google has never been shy about the fact that they want to diffuse their own people across many different companies they have too few positions for the amount of people that they have had come up through their system and as far as Google X goes you can say that it's a lot of these ideas that have come out of that level of thinking that made Google make alphabet last year that that this was something that they wanted to not have everything always come back to well how does it pay for ad or how does it affect ad words which is really what Google is all about sure Twitter we told you we were going to bring those Q4 earnings reports and here they are drumroll please they met expectations with revenue of 710 million up 48 percent and beat expectations on earnings per share of 16 cents analysts had expected revenue of 710 millions and earnings per share of 12 cents Twitter's monthly active users were 320 million exactly what they were last quarter Twitter also announced that periscope CEO kvon big cure has been promoted to the company's executive team side note by beating earnings Twitter stock fell in after hours trading whereas Tesla which just reported a loss of 87 cents a share on expectations of earnings of 10 cents a share saw its stock rise based on guidance that doesn't shock me though because here's what you're presented with as a shareholders or anybody interested in either of these two entities Twitter staying stagnant means that means something far worse for Twitter than Tesla losing a little bit of money in the quarter or even the year because on Twitter side it's kind of portends things to come it's like saying well if that's slowed to a stall and you don't have any amazing ways of getting new new users that number is likely not to change much either next time you do an earnings call so that seems like dour news despite the stuff that you you know despite the fact that you made a little money you made expectations and your numbers were flat those flat numbers are forcing people to go that doesn't sound good for the future stocks gonna fall on the other hand everybody's really jazzed about what Tesla is doing they I think are more prepared to see losses as leaders toward something else and don't see it as oh well there and also ran that's not going well hurry up and drop their stock I think they're just two very different worlds of expectation and right now people have a very at least on the financial front a very low expectation of what Twitter will do next well and Twitter certainly a company that has been at the center of controversy people want to write this narrative that Twitter is in some kind of death spiral this seems to not do much to stop that but it certainly does a lot it certainly doesn't exacerbate that problem for it and certainly here in the daily tech news show we will do our best to separate fact from fiction when it comes to Google's hot air machine which is why we will then delve further into Google's hot air machine and the repetitive news cycle that feeds it in our discussion topics one last thing to note Tesla did announce it will unveil its thirty five thousand dollar model three on March thirty first that is something that certainly could have driven the stock just as much as their earnings did but those are the headlines of course submit your stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com let's get into our discussion discussion unveiled a new Twitter timeline that shows algorithmically curated tweets at the top instead of their most recent tweets Twitter product manager Michelle Hacks said this would include a dozen or so tweets in reverse chronological order the change will show up as an option for users at first but the company will gradually turn it on for all parts of its user base however as users have it turned on for them a notification will prompt them to go turn it off in settings if they wish what does this include well it includes conversations where Twitter thinks that the most important parts will show up at the top of your timeline and of course if even if you have it turned on you can pull to refresh which turns everything magically back into the usual reverse chronological order hack noted that the while you are away feature laid much of the groundwork for the big update and this should be thought of as a while you are away 2.0 surely as a way to quell the trembling public tech crunch which really broke the official Twitter version of this story used a screenshot with one of my tweets as part of the while you are away feature Scott this really exploded over the weekend with a BuzzFeed article you know certainly in you know the most sane sober tones of journalism's color spectrum decided to lead their story with welcome to the new Twitter leading to a user revolt and trending topics of hashtag RIP Twitter of course everybody keeping all of their poop in one place as it normally happens uh Scott did we overreact yes we totally overreacted like I said earlier it feels like a much to do about nothing kind of deal like textbook version of that um it may be a little annoying or it may roll out a feature you don't care about thankfully it's optionally to turn the stupid thing off I'm more worried about like if I'm let's say I do use the Twitter client directly and that I'm going to see this sort of change right away I'm more interested kind of in how well their algorithmically chosen posts work am I just going to see rappers arguing am I going to see I don't know Donald Trump saying some a lot of rappers do follow both Kanye and Wiz Khalifa but everyone talks about them constantly and it's always based on their Twitter so I can't tell you how many news sites or blogs I go to where all their top stories are oh son Kanye throws down whatever about some little Twitter somebody had Twitter beefs are all the rage right now I don't want any of that I want like stuff I'm interested in like will it know that I'm really into technology and would like to see more tech stories is it no I want to hear more video game breaking news do I want to know you know do they know these things about me or do they not know these things about me and I don't know because based on the list I follow there's probably some curve there that could be learned or gained but I feel like it's not as easy as it looks I think Facebook's done a pretty good job of this I still don't love that they curate my feed to the point that I don't really know when someone posted something why is it in my feed why is it significant do I even know that guy like there's always these questions with Facebook that certainly didn't take down Facebook I think having an optional few posts at the top of your Twitter page is not going to affect Twitter all that much and these people with their RIP hashtags are smoking a very special special brand of crack in my opinion well I mean it certainly is one of those things that you know back in the day it used to be Facebook's going to charge people and everybody was looking for everything in the user agreement that might eventually portend that Facebook would become a paid service and they would freak out at any little change now it is Twitter's becoming Facebook that is the new fear du jour here are a few of the tweets that got gigantic traction over the weekend this a conversation between Twitter and its users Twitter hey what do you guys want users to edit what hey we have moments now users stun silence Twitter hey we have a new algorithm Jack Dorsey tried to quell the fire by saying hello Twitter regarding which is just great that he's the CEO of Twitter and he's tweeting and he starts off his you know a very redundant hello Twitter regarding hashtag RIP Twitter I want you all to know that we're always listening we never plan to reorder timelines next week I almost want to I almost want to say here that you know this is very much I think us trying to bring to you the the the the DTNS audience which demands a more discerning assorting of the news that this is really just Buzzfeed writing any responsible article and this kind of spiraling out of control over a weekend when other people aren't necessarily writing a lot that could course correct it and Twitter took a day to kind of get their get their horses in order to then explain exactly what they were doing because I think what we have here is not really all that controversial and if it weren't for the fact that Twitter is in this a weird space where maybe they're going to get sold executives are leaving again remember four top executives at Twitter left last month including the head of engineering the head of products and the head of human resources and the head of global media this is really just a symptom of a lot of turmoil at Twitter as opposed to anything that's of real news value yeah yeah the hard part about this for me is is that bigger story like we just do this on the internet and we're getting so bad at it that I worry about it one day I'm not trying old man this I just feel like we say stuff just to get everyone riled up you won't believe the thing you're going to see next if I hear one more or see one more headline like that I'm going to fall over dead here's the other prevailing problem with Twitter or this is a problem they face they have tried so hard and fought so long and hard to stay where they are and not allow feature creep to quote unquote probably not the best word but corrupt as the service so the minute somebody says hey give us an edit feature this always comes up hey Twitter's got a new feature I wish they give us edit first like that's always the reaction so it doesn't surprise me with this little exchange here artificial or not they they since they haven't done that what it says to me is they are not interested in letting features creep into the thing until it starts to look like everyone else what makes them unique and sets them apart is there are 140 characters of public information that is just there and if you want to get rid of it you can delete it but that's all you got this is the only options you have that's your feature that's the defining feature while everybody else let you edit pin goof around with whatever embed things like all sorts of things that twitter's not going to do and I think they believe the minute you start doing that is the minute they start becoming not twitter and they start becoming something else which is not twitter and I don't know that they'll ever do that or back off of that but to me when people start demanding these things that's kind of what they're saying when they went ahead and gave us 10,000 character limits and private messages I was kind of shocked and I realized well this is the one place they can get away with it first of all private messaging or texting or you know apps like we we chat and a million others facebook's own app they're huge right now so you want to try to get in on that how does twitter do it we'll let you type as much as you want basically in a direct message to somebody else I can totally see that but the minute they say uh yeah you can go to 256 characters now they stop being twitter the minute they let you edit they stop being twitter I mean I'm not I you could make an argument for editing but I'm just you know for the sake of the argument that's what I think they're afraid of and I think that fear is both justified and also is screwing them because at some point they can't grow past where they are and they will have stagnant numbers for a very long time because they will tap out on people who are willing to be patient with such restrictions one news item before we get into our picks of the day Reuters reports that yahoo will lay off a hundred and seven employees in the first of what is expected to be more than 1500 jobs cut when it's all said and done the layoffs will take effect April 11th and affected employees will receive a 60 day advance notice of the move as required by the california employment development department that is a change from the steady drip of employees who were let go by the company based on quality performance reviews in the past few years so we couldn't have a big discussion about one uh uh do your in trouble company in twitter without yahoo the other do your in trouble company jumping up and saying hey guys me too me too I worry about them I hope they're gonna be okay I mean honestly I don't I haven't known what yahoo really does I mean this is I'm not trying to be naive here but I really don't know what they what is their impact that's a question I haven't been able to answer for about five or six years we can't do both of them we can do we we did one twitter navel gazing where are they what are they going to be think piece we can't do both we can do the yahoo where are they now and we can't do the the twitter where are they now let's just move on picks of the day hey tom and the dds crew I wanted to suggest a pick zcast zcast is a new podcasting app that looks pretty exciting they've got an ios and web app currently I can only imagine android is soon on the way and that everybody at zcast is really excited for them to get popular so everybody can ask when the android version's coming here's the thing it allows one person or a group of people to easily livestream record and later share podcast not sure the feature set meets everything professional grade podcasters need but those of us who are in the greater podcasting audience myself included that have long waited to dabble in the art looks that this might be a great entry keep up on the good work and love the show that is from a mordecai light stone of course we don't take ads here on daily tech news show if you'd like to send your picks do it to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com and you can find more picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks you think this is a pretty sweet app I think that anything that lets people make content an easier way is a good thing it's probably not going to do what I need it to do these things never do but and that's not me being snobbish it's just the way I run things everyone's gonna have a different thing but if you just need a way to quickly do a thing and get it out there things like periscope are proven that that's a thing people want so I say I'm all for it as long as it you know if it works well and people get their money's worth go for it certainly so let's get into our messages this one comes in from Vince good day I think GB consumer internet is going to sit or gigabit consumer internet is going to sit at one gigabits for a few years as the rest of the world gets there my reason is that most enterprises still don't have a gigabits to every desktop as they have had it for 18 years I remember a quote from a three com presentation in 1999 it was something like now that we are all a gigabit the network is finally ahead of software and we have some breathing rooms so maybe that they've hit that milestone they hang out there until there is a demand to move forward and meanwhile we have another note cheers from Helsinki it's Miko a curious thing is that in the last few years I've now seen multiple systems where data transfer is actually constrained by traditional HDD write speeds not something that you've used to notice outside of the land environment smiley face that's a good point we're hitting this the point of to address the first email we're hitting the point of diminishing returns on how fast is fast enough and the faster things get always the better that is but it's going to be less and less noticeable but in the other case I remember this was an issue with a company I worked for the only time we ever had time issues with speed were in relative use when it came to like a local land environment and when we were using dial up or ISDN or whatever it was at the time I think I had a T1 in this office everything seemed fast even though it was actually slower because drives and other tech would keep up so it's the same thing one one guy gets ahead of the other guy and the other guy has to play catch up Chad from snowing gray Columbus Ohio writes hi Tom and crew I was listening to your discussion on bandwidth with Patrick and I'm reminded of my first less than gigabyte hard drive when I first upgraded from 500 megabytes to six gigs in 1990 something I thought I would never use all that space then Napster happened now I have a two terabyte drive that's nearly full sigh steam sales and I'm looking to upgrade just as some more anecdotal evidence to support that we always find a way to use what's there carry on and I would recommend to Chad uncelested to plug go ahead and cheer your day up by heading over to dirty Frank's and 16 bit bar in Columbus one of my favorite combinations of food and drink establishment Scott life finds a way doesn't it yeah it does I was thinking about this the other day I thought I would never need more than the 250 megabyte hard drive I had on a 486 at one point and I thought eight gigs of RAM eight megs of RAM excuse me was really pushing the envelope especially at $800 or wherever it was at the time and if I've learned anything since then is none of that matters it's all going to change it's all different I'm on all SSDs now it happened before even noticed it and now I can't stand a spinning hard drive they're too slow I can't do it so yeah embrace it man who cares this the minute your brain goes oh this is plenty back off for a minute realize in a 10 years you're going to be laughing that you said it was plenty the internet will justify your purchase no matter how big you would like to make it big thank you for this this this Tomless edition of the program that my my partner Scott Johnson joins us to make sure that it is a quality program Scott do you have any exciting new podcasts in the works all right so I'm just going to let the loose the dogs of war here is that how the phrase goes sure uh coming this Monday there is going to be a beta episode of something called Hotline Mondays nothing to do with drake or that dumb song it is I promise that I can promise Hotline Mondays will be a live show 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people I think not young at heart people I wish I had a young heart no your heart has been old and by going to the show Google's hot air machine people say things on Twitter Tom Merritt's baby hats what no I'm reading two headlines at one time Tom Merritt's baby hats I don't know I'm just reading things Twitter is dead long live Twitter and if I see one more hyperbolic headline I'm going to drop dead which is probably too long Tweet purbely Tweet purbely it's not in there I made that up well I like it where am I uploading this by the way would you like to upload it to a drop box and send me a link would that work yeah let me do that okay then I will download it and then I will start to do the things that we do I will it was a good episode although I will say for the the one of the story about the Facebook and zero rating data in India I can kind of see the kind of the angle that it's coming from it's coming from from I mean if you've been historically kind of been a part of another country you might kind of be a little more sensitive you have a sensitivity to it yeah not to mention during the show one of the things I didn't get in during the shows that Zuckerberg put out a very carefully crafted apology to like all of India based on what Mark Andreessen said it was really like you know it was a typical thing of my Bob I think that it's probably just as in oversimplifying look at the Facebook zero rating offering as totally cynical as hey look at Facebook wants to add new users and so they are offering help in the form of a new user registration drive it's probably also oversimplifying it to say that they don't have their best intentions in doing this you know I think that that Facebook and then Zuckerberg specifically is a company that like many silicon valley companies are believe that they can do good and believe that they can bring a more that more internet and more people's hands is yes good so it's it certainly is complicated and and I could understand from Facebook's perspective that you know what you saw from Andreessen is probably something that happens in the back of the minds of many of the executives there that like hey listen if you could stop looking at us suspiciously for five seconds maybe you could get something good out of this but you know I ultimately think that this is a this is a far more complicated issue than anybody who wants to make this as like this is bad or this is good Justin Justin my dear not to interrupt the excellent discussion Tom just texted you something where you could just upload to sound cloud and then you would have published the show and then I'll take it from there but he thinks maybe it'll just be faster I'm already like halfway through this this through sending it to me yeah in five minutes so all right well I offered he suggested I offered yeah no I mean yeah we're already listen wheels are in motion hey Tom won't go to bed may I say that I have updated almost nothing throughout the show Tom was all over it he was giving you the twitterer links he was doing the whole thing uh no this is um he's an insane person he needs to get rest Tom go sleep is he even in his bedroom or is he still like I mean he might just be at that desk right now he's all suited up and he's he's literally just like just in case I think he has utmost faith in all of us right but just in case there is some yeah massive uh massive failure he wants he's basically the like when when when when the quarterback the the hurt starting quarterback gets listed as the emergency quarterback he just wants to be on the sideline in case that being said so I know that I know that we're going to do it this way but I want to send you just so you have it for the next time this I'm slacking you stuff this is the login for the for the for SoundCloud because next time you do this you were so great in coming in and jumping in and doing this at the last possible second but the next time you do this we want you to like go through the 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story today on Twitter is now live tweeting the but I assume to be the Twitter earnings call this is Jack on moments the much maligned moments we're seeing a lot of positive activity with moments in the timeline and people tweeting moments when moments are in the tweet it's open with a higher than average click through on the moments tab we think we can do a lot more work there's more ahead but we want to focus a lot more on the tweets and the timeline somebody apparently asked on the earning call what is Twitter really may what who knows that sounds like some synergistic it's not like something now what is it not like they're not really wondering what Twitter is they want him to like define it what is Twitter in 2016 no listen it's a multi-media social network wherein we can finally find out what Kanye West's opinion on Bill Cosby are he's innocent he's an idiot yes and that's only controversial if you are referring to Bill Cosby that whole thing man what's what's what's what sucks is that cast a cast a shadow over everything he's done his entire career yeah are you talking about Kanye Kanye or or or Cosby either or but I'm I'm talking about Cosby specifically like I can't watch a fat Albert show anymore and not fake like oh that's Bill Cosby's voice you know there's there is certainly a you know a a separation of the art and the artist because we live in a terrible world and terrible people inhabit it but you know I don't know I mean I think it probably should it's probably probably for the best that we that we are not able to separate the art and the artist of Bill Cosby considering yep yep yep agree you know considering let's let's just all leave it at considering hey look Matthew Lindley says I met at Steve Kovac through the New York City Storm Twitter and it was the start of a beautiful uh friendship oh no I met Steve Kovac when he was a freshman did we pick a title I don't know I was I was uh I was editing and exporting by the way this is now complete so I can send that to you may I please do yeah was though um I'm looking for a new post what is today's show 2685 did you pick a did you pick a name I didn't I don't have a good one in my head you had one you just had one what was it that was Twitter Bollack Twitter Bollack Twitter Bollack that's what it is it's Twitter Bollack all right happy to contribute there we go let's go take this um okay description aw did you hear that I heard that creator studio hi golly hey sky if you gotta go man you have done your duty for king and country I'm just saying my thing got pushed to tomorrow so I'm okay I'll hang around till you guys are iron off iron off I found out what the problem was which is why I had to use that stupid bluetooth thing oh no this is still only bringing one side for whatever reason this my normal input for uh audio hardwired audio into my board is only bringing in one side that's weird the audio it's super bizarre I don't know maybe you're shorted I mean maybe but I don't know why it's not doing it on the other side I guess I here uh who's got my link I said it's a don't do in slack oh okay all right there we go tom's got it go to bed Thomas he's not no it's such a lost cause let me just say you should though it's bad for him lost cause maybe it is just my iPad yeah I think I'm just gonna have to use this bluetooth solution which kind of stinks on ice maybe I'll just get a new iPad it's good excuse business expense yeah although I just got this one which I got because I lost my other one and he guesses and he guesses like our stone on a plane oh yeah what the crap ready for action yeah Jaina where's my iPad are you excited to to be back on a level playing field in hearthstone scott very much so that game has it lost its grip on me given my proclivity toward other games for so long that it was hard for me to keep up and so this these new standards are extremely cool I'm very excited about I'm less than excited that I I have all these other cards that are gonna be less valuable but I'm very much more excited that maybe more friends that have fallen out of the game because they feel like they've fallen away from it will be able to play I'm excited to play that part is gonna be really good I think that's why they're doing it they're smart about that turns out that blizzard they know something about making the video games they know their stuff that and back into the the overwatch beta and it's so good oh my gosh it's good those guys man they just feed me crack my whole life 25 years of this it's crazy I did a little interview with OMG Chad today about them for their 25 years that was kind of fun wait with who with what Chad OMG Chad he did a little 25-year retrospective video or he's doing one it's supposed to go up later and I'm on it it was fun hey oh it was a good time Chadwick such a such a go getter he's a good kid you make me and your mother proud all right I'm saving a draft for Tom Tom Merritt I'm saving you a draft of the post you've already done it but I'm doing it anyway all right you guys are our Tom is on it he's on patrol you guys are released from service thank you very much all right well I will look forward to doing this again sometime soon yes the parties involved yes as always hard yeah bye bye