 So, I did not have a chance to check the settings. You know what I bet happened? You hit it right after I hit it. So, it now says we're live. That was the problem. Okay, so we both hit it at the same time. I did not have a chance to check it. Gonna quickly confirm that we are live and we are good. Good place. Bless you. Bless you again. Salah Matian is fine. I mean, I'm not picky. I'm not one of those people who make you really ours or something. We'll do my best here. All right, well, good evening everyone. Once again, now that we're live officially welcome to our January 13th, 2022 airport advisory board meeting. Happy New Year, happy 2022. Want to welcome Talas Salah Matian to our board as one of our new members. Talas will give you a chance to introduce yourself if you'd like to, to everybody. Thank you. Most of you must, may I remember me from my city council run. Very pleased to meet you all and looking forward to participating on this board. Thank you. We're excited to have you join us. I had a chance to talk with Talas earlier today and I think we're gonna have some really good input with Dushan and really, really glad he's with us. And then also want to welcome back Council Member Martin as our council liaison. We missed you for a bit and we're glad to see you back with us. This is good to be back. So Marsha Martin City Council liaison. Wonderful. Well, then let's call the roll and let's get going with the first meeting of the year. Susan, would you mind please calling the roll? Most certainly, Chair, Harrison Earl. I'm here. Vice Chair, Melinda Jordan. I'm here. Member Russell Robinson. Here. Member Steve Bliss. Here. Member Malcolm Dean. Here. And Member Talas Salaminton. Here. You have a quorum. We have a quorum. Thank you everyone. Nice to see you all today. Since this is our first meeting of the year, that is our annual meeting. So it's our chance to elect officers, set our meeting time and date, all that kind of official business to kick off the year. So first on the agenda then is the election of officers. We have two officers in our bylaw, both Chair and Vice Chair. I would open the floor for any nominations. Let's start with Chair. Linda. I'd like to nominate Harrison Earl to a continuous Chair if he will accept. Thank you. I'll second that. I will second that. Thank you, Malcolm. Moved and seconded, and very kind of both of really pleased to continue doing this for another year. And I think it's a year of transformation. So excited about that. Any other motions from the board? Any other nominations? All right, hearing none, vote on the motion on the floor. All those in favor, if you can please raise your hand. Aye. Aye. Aye. So that is six and no one opposed. Thank you all very much. We then would move on to Vice Chair. Any nominations for our Vice Chair? I'll nominate myself. All right, motion to nominate you for Vice Chair. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Malcolm, thank you. Second. Any other nominations for Vice Chair? Yes, I'll nominate Melinda. Okay. Jordan. Melinda. Megan. Russell seconds. Okay. Any other nominations? All right, so I don't have an, I don't think we've had enough. We haven't. So I'm going to, anyone who would like to vote for Tallis for Vice Chair, if you can please raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Anyone who would like to vote for, so that was two votes there. Anyone would like to vote for Melinda as Vice Chair? Please raise your hand and say aye. Melinda, are you voting for yourself or for Tallis? I'm not sure if I'm supposed to abstain. So that's a tough call. I'd love to do it one more year. I'd enjoy doing it one more year with you. Yeah, this is my last year. All right, so we had four votes for Melinda, two votes for Tallis. Melinda, you are elected as the Vice Chair. Congratulations again. Thank you. Those are only two officer positions. So then next on our agenda is select the meeting date and time for 2022. I haven't heard any communication from the city on a request to change it. So unless I am missing something, my suggestion would we maintain the same time and date, which is the second Thursday of the month at 6 p.m. I know it says in the Civic Center, city council chambers, which would be our ideal. Otherwise, we see you all here on the computer screen. Anyone have comments? Oh, please, Susan. Susan, please, yeah. So just a note to Joni and yourself, Chair, if you did want to remain having these meetings live streamed in the future, we would just want to make sure that there's no conflict with another meeting. And just a reminder for the board, if you could mute yourselves when you're not speaking, that would be helpful. So if you wanted to keep this live stream, I off the top of my head can't recall. I believe there's another meeting tonight, but it's not normally live streamed. So I believe this is available to be in that position. Okay. I know at least in prior years, this was the time the city liked because it was when the city council chambers were open. Which is why we kept it in place. Melinda, I saw you had a comment. I just would move that we continue to meet on Thursdays at 6 p.m. Either at council or online, provided that still suits the city. Second. Melinda, could you just clarify second Thursday of the month? Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, second Thursday. Yes, second Thursday, 6 p.m. city council or online. Move by my second by Steve. Thank you. Any discussion debate on the motion? All those in favor of adopting that the motion is our meeting date and time for 2022. I guess if you're all muted, the raising hand is fine. That is six hands raised if I counted correctly. No one opposed. The meeting notice posting location is the other one we have to adopt. I believe as of last year, we adopted these cities agenda management portal and the city's website is our official posting location journey or anyone from the city. Does that need to be changed? No, I don't think so. That's all I was able to find as well. So I think that if we continue with what you've been doing, that would be satisfactory. Perfect. And I know there was in the past at least a request for an informal posting location at the airport though the website is the formal location for the notice. Ross, well, I saw you had your hand. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Since we're talking about meeting in general, I was thinking about, are we required to live stream it assuming we are having the meeting in person? Is that a new city thing for all the advisory meetings or is that just because we're zooming it? Chair Mineral and Member Robinson. So it is not a requirement. However, because this was posted this way, it is a requirement. If we go back to in-person meetings at some point, we don't have to live stream those. The only meetings that are typically live streamed are the planning commission and city council. Okay. And what about recording? Are they required to be recorded now? I believe we've been recording all of our meetings when we can. So I'll have to double check and make sure if that's a requirement or not. It's certainly a good service to the public to be able to follow up and see what's been going on at the meetings. Sure. Russell, I remember right before the pandemic, we were just about to start the video recording of all the meetings and obviously that started because we went to the computer. Yeah, I remember that. So I wasn't sure if that was just a feature that the city was trying to develop or if that was some sort of ordinance requirement for the meetings. And the reason I bring it up is I was thinking during good weather summer months, it would be maybe beneficial to have a couple of meetings at the airport. We could either use the city building there where the manager typically operates or I have a hanger there. But a lot of these questions we have about the airport condition and things like that might be helpful sometimes to be out there on the site. So that would be, depending on whether we have to record, it might make that difficult, obviously. I'm for that as well. Just being at the airport is a good idea, I think. I'm also, I'm good with that, assuming we meet the statutory requirements of the city. I think the only thing that we need to actually motion and decide is the posting location at this moment. Yeah, I just wanted to bring it up so it seemed like it would fit in there. I appreciate you bringing it up. Would you like to make a motion on the posting location or would somebody like to? Since I'm talking about it here on the idea. I move that we continue to keep the official posting location on the city website with a potential to also post it at the airport whenever that is available. And I will second that. So moved and seconded. Thank you, gentlemen. Any further discussion from anyone? All those in favor, if we can raise a hand. That is all six. Thank you. We then are moving right along to city attorney, staff introductions and a presentation of the board. Joni, please. So Chairman Erlen, board members, I'd like to introduce both Atassi Babsar and Chris Robbie. And Atassi and Chris really are here. I typically start all of my annual board meetings with an opportunity for the city attorney's office, not only to be introduced to the board that they do work for with staff behind the scenes, but also to just give an overview, particularly for new members of what the charter says, kind of what your purview is and answer any questions that you might have. Atassi has been active in doing leases for some time at the airport and is very familiar with the structure of things that the airport and has helped me immensely in the past few months. And Chris is new to the city and he will be working with us at the airport. He comes to us with a lot of experience, most recently at CDOT. So Chris is working with me right now on one of the grants that we're getting. And with that, I'm gonna turn it over to Atassi and Chris to give you a brief presentation. Dallas, do you mind bringing up the morning... Good evening, board members. As Joni mentioned, my name is Atassi. I was previously advising the airport advisory board. Hey, Atassi. Sorry to cut you off. On my end, you're cutting out. Is that the same for anyone else? Yes, I'm working on parts of it. Okay. Yeah, is there a possibility that you have a headset or something along those lines? It wasn't doing this at the beginning, but it's now 30. I don't have a headset, I'm sorry. Not one from the city. Gotcha. Dallas, let me offer another option. Sure. Atassi, if you were to check your mute options, click that arrow and go to the menu you see. You will see an option to switch to phone audio. Do you see that? We'll give you a minute and see if you can switch to a phone. Okay, sounds good, let me just go home. Thank you. Dallas, you may need to unlock to let her in, to let a phone in, I'm not sure. Meeting is unlocked. All Atassi is joining, Joanie. I appreciate the introduction for the presentation today. I mean, we haven't had city attorneys join us on these board meetings before. This is, I think since at least my board orientation was the last time I got to speak with someone. So I appreciate the opportunity tonight. Thank you for setting this up for us. Yeah, absolutely. They really are an integral part of things we do and always an option to if members of the board have questions that they can call the attorney's office and ask questions with regard to their, to the board duties conflict of interest. Susan, I was able to log in on my phone. I can hear through the phone, but I'm not sure that you guys can hear me. Yes, yes we can. And that certainly sounds better. Yes, you just muted, at least on my screen. So I'm guessing, yeah, unmute yourself. There we go. Okay, great. All right, sorry about that. All right, so as Joanie mentioned, tonight we also have Chris Robbie and he's coming from Speedot and he's going to moving forward the advisory board in conjunction with me as well. Next slide please. So on tonight's agenda, we're going to briefly discuss the airport advisory board's powers and duties, Robert's rules of order and what are essentially the transparency laws in the state of Colorado. Some of this information may be new to you, other information may be a refresher. I don't expect you to remember all of this quite a bit, but the goal of the presentation is to get these issues on your radar in case they pop up later on. And if you do have any questions after tonight, feel free to go ahead and contact myself or go ahead and contact Chris. Next slide please. So the Longmont Municipal Code in chapter 2.94 outlines the powers and duties of the airport advisory board. And you can see them on the screen in front of you. And I promise I don't read through all of them right now. The board acts in an advisory capacity and essentially what that means is that you guys can study existing policy and make recommendations to city councils for changes related to any of the items that are listed on the screen. Unfortunately, the board cannot enforce policy or create any rules. However, the analysis and recommendations set forth by the board and the council play an important role. Next slide please. So I'd like to talk a little bit about Robert's rules of order. And I believe that it is on the agenda for tonight. It is a manual of parliamentary procedure that is used by our city council that is used by all of our board's commissions within the city. And the purpose of the rules is to provide a structure to the meeting. So it provides guidelines for a fair and efficient and orderly meeting. It allows for all participants to be heard, whether they're in the majority view or the minority view. And it tends to prevent confusion because it limits time sometimes and it also has an order as to who can speak and when. And so currently, the airport advisory board requires the meeting to be conducted by Robert's school supporters of order. Next slide please. So with regard to the state transparency laws, first up is the Colorado Open Meetings Law. The Open Meetings Law declares that formation of public policy is public business. So we should not be conducting any of these meetings in secret. There is a very broad definition of meeting. Any gathering, whether it's by phone, by Zoom, by text, really any means of communication to discuss public business could be construed as a meeting. And just as a cautionary note, group emails. This is an area where commissioners, board members tend to get in trouble and step their toes. Using the reply all function on an email may lead to a discussion of public business and what this is potential of falling under the Open Meetings Law which requires that we have a meeting out in public forum. Next slide please. There are some important exceptions, limitations to the Open Meetings Law. The law will only apply to gatherings where there's demonstrative link between the meeting and the policy making powers of the government entity. So most of the time the issues don't arise within the actual board meetings. It's really the gathering of board members outside of these meetings in which you should tend to be cautious. Chance meetings, social gatherings, such as a holiday party where a discussion of public business is not the central purpose. Those are one of the exceptions. So if you discuss substantive issues then it's potentially turned into a meeting and these meetings require, what we'll talk about later, these meetings require proper procedural notice process as well. Next slide please. So there's a number limitation, a trigger which makes it easy to determine whether the Open Meetings Law comes into play. Eventually three or more members if there is more than three and a substantive discussion is being had then chances are that an open meeting is required. Proper notice and posting of an agenda must occur at least 24 hours in advance so that the public has a chance to come and participate in the meeting if they so choose. And this is really promote transparency of governmental functions. A few years ago the law changed and I think we talked about it a little bit already. Most municipalities started to show a preference for posting on the website rather than in physical locations. With access to internet at your fingertips it's the preferred manner. However, if someone doesn't have access to the internet then usually physical posting still occur. And lastly for each meeting minutes must be taken and properly recorded and the public can see what transpired within the meeting if they were not able to attend. In one note on the trigger number and something we'll speak about a little bit later in this presentation, two members could potentially discuss an issue and not trigger the open meeting law. However, other concerns do come up, namely due process. There's a pre-judgment that potentially occur if two members of a board or a commission come up with a position before hearing the evidence. They could potentially show bias. And we want everyone to be on the same level playing field when you get to the hearing. And as I mentioned, we'll discuss due process in a few slides. Next slide, please. There are exceptions to an open meeting. They're called executive sessions where these are circumstances where a closed door meeting is permissible. So there are seven permitted topics. And for the purposes of the airport advisory board I suspect real property transactions and legal advice meaning consultation with an attorney may require an executive session where you can go behind closed doors. Now, these executive sessions are very rare with boards and commissions. They usually have on the city council. But if one is required, I recommend that you contact the city attorney's office and your staff liaison. No procedural requirements. That must be met before convening in an executive session. And we have to have proper notice that's given. Next slide, please. So next up on our discussion for transparency laws is the Colorado Open Records Act. And we usually just refer to it as CORA. And so CORA has been around for a while and this law is a bedrock of transparency within government. We need to have the trust of our community and this is taken very seriously. Next slide, please. So this law applies to all municipalities, city being included and the law is very broad. The default is that the public get the chance to see what was created in the context of the airport advisory board, whatever that could be. Next slide, please. So what is a record? Under CORA, a record is defined very, very broadly. It's all writing made, maintained or kept by the city of Longmont. Now there are exceptions under CORA, but generally speaking, anything that falls within this definition is considered a record that could be disclosed. Next slide, please. So examples in the modern world. We have email, obviously, Outlook calendars, text messages, your notes. These items are all subject to disclosure and when the public makes their request, we only have a few days to turn it around. And emails generally make up a large portion of records nowadays and one of the tests that the city attorney's office likes to put forth and we want you to remember above all is the front page times call test. Before you press send on an email, before you send something out, think to yourself, would I want this email? Would I want this record to be printed on the front page of the times call? If not, don't hit send. And we're not trying to get around open records, but if it's a sensitive topic, it's a better way to pick up a phone. Next slide, please. So as I mentioned, do you want it on the front page of the times call? And if you ever do receive a request for documents sometimes they come in weird manners, it could just be on the phone, but usually it's a written request via email or it's formal request through our website or it's to the clerk's office. One thing that the city attorney's office does request that you do is contact the clerk's office. The clerk's office can assist you and they will work with Tim Hull, who's an assistant city attorney within our office and he primarily handles, advises on core requests. Next slide, please. So I'll stop right here just to see if there are, just to let you know if there are any questions, please feel free to jump in or ask questions and we'll have time at the end of the presentation as well. So in 2006, there was an amendment about an initiated constitutional amendment that passed and this was a gift ban. Governmental officials cannot accept a gift valued in excess of $50. And so this is adjusted for the CPI and currently it is $65. Next slide, please. So what is a gift? And a lot of items can fall into what a gift is. It can be cash, payment for travel, entertainment, such as tickets to a sporting event or even a special discount. There are exceptions. For example, if you're ever asked to attend and speak at a conference, the sponsoring entity may pay for your admission, they may pay for your food and any other expenses that may be associated with the conference. There also may be unsolicited tokens of appreciation. For example, a city of Longmont has participating sister cities and some of these sister cities will exchange different gifts according to their culture. For example, just in our sister city in Japan, kimonos are exchanged and this would fall within an exception. Another exception would be plaque recognition for some type of appreciation award. So if you receive something and you believe that it may be in violation of this gift, then there's any type of question or doubt in your mind. Please contact the city attorney's office. One of the things that you wanna keep in mind is are these gifts attempting to curry favor with you in some way to use your influence on this board? Next slide, please. I have a question on the last one. Okay, are we allowed questions or no? Yes. So my question was travel. Let's say we wanted to go to Denver or some other airport to check it out and to learn. And let's say one of the pilots offered to fly me or another member of the board or commission to that airport. How would that be categorized? Well, with that hypothetical, I think we'd have to look closely at the situation. We'd have to look at who the pilot was, if they're associated with some type of this entity that already has a hangar or has some type of business with the city of Longmont. So they're really trying to look at whether or not that pilot is, whether they're acting on them on behalf of themselves or on behalf of their entity that they possibly represent. Are they trying to curry favor using you on this board? And so it's gonna be very situational, situationally specific. And with the plane ticket, that value is obviously more than $65. I mean, I would love it if a plane ticket was $65, but unfortunately, nowadays it's not. So that would be very, very specific and we'd have to take a look at that. Were there any other questions on the kinsman? Okay. So our next slide is on conflicts of interest. So the state has an independent ethics commission that deals with gifts and other issues such as conflicts of interest. And the conflict of interest is, it means a situation in which an individual's personal or financial interest conflict with the individual's official responsibilities. So here, does your personal financial special circumstances impact your interest due to your proximity, your title on the airport advisory board? And we are concerned with both actual conflict versus the appearance of conflict, the appearance of impropriety. We wanna make sure that all of your actions are above board. And with that, we don't want to erode the public's trust. So if you suspect that there is a conflict of interest, one question that comes up is whether or not you should abstain from making a decision or voting on an item that comes before you in the airport, in one of your board meetings. So if this does occur, the first and foremost thing that you need to do is disclose your interest, disclose your interest to your staff liaison, disclose your interest to the airport advisory board members and also disclose your interest to the city attorney's office. And from there, you know, staff liaison, the city attorney's office can work with you and discuss whether or not you need to abstain. And, you know, there are situations where you do have a conflict and you may be able to vote. But like I said, I recommend that you reach out to our office. Next slide, please. So lastly, and this is kind of our last topic for this presentation is quasi-judicial proceedings. So some of the city's boards and commissions fit in a quasi-judicial capacity where they act like a judge in a court of law. Planning and zoning comes to mind, board of adjustment comes to mind as well. The airport advisory board may not have as many quasi-judicial discussions, maybe a few land development applications, sometimes some easements as well. But that being said, it's important to have this background. So as I mentioned, these boards and commissions fit and act like a judge. They apply existing criteria, existing ordinances to a specific set of facts that's tied to a specific property. These are usually presented in a hearing with advanced notice. And these hearings allow interested parties to present their evidence either for or against positions. Next slide, please. So I mentioned this a little bit earlier, due process, and due process becomes extremely important for the judicial meetings, along with transparency, we want to ensure a fair hearing for any applicants that may come before the board and protect their legal rights. So a few things to remember. The board must face any decision only on the record of the proceedings. So anything that you have before you that comes on your agenda, we don't wanna consider outside information, information that's not presented at the hearing. We just wanna consider what is said within that actual hearing. Another thing is that board members must not engage in ex parte communication. And the rationale behind all of this is that we want to be fair and impartial. We want interested parties to be able to come in and comment and we want everyone to be on the same level playing field. And so just a quick comment on this. You know, we obviously live in a world where the internet is literally at our fingertips. And so doing research beyond what is provided in our agenda packets is a bit of a brink area. There are great benefits to having citizen board. You know, each board member brings for their own experiences to the sports, but engaging in independent research doesn't necessarily create that level playing field that I've been talking about. We want everyone in the decision to hear the same information. So to start researching subjectively into an issue that comes before you on the agenda, we're waiting into murky territory. There's gonna be an imbalance created where your decision may or may not be made on evidence presented solely at that hearing. Next slide, please. So if you are ever contacted by a member as a public regarding an agenda item, first and foremost, you know, direct that person to submit a written comment to the board or to attend the hearing, attend the meeting and present their evidence. You know, the best thing to do would be to cut off communication as soon as you recognize what's going on. And the communication unit doesn't always need to be verbal, it doesn't just be face to face. It can be, and most of the time is via email. And so X-files communications are very serious. The courts generally hold that these X-files communications are improper. If the communication is limited, you can disclose it on the record regarding your communication. And that may still allow you to participate in the agenda item and vote, make a decision if you can remain a fair and impartial decision maker. Sometimes the communication is a little bit more substantive and extensive and the board's decision could potentially be overturned. So, you know, in those instances, you may want to refuse yourself from that discussion. I know it, I mean, above all, if there is ever a question, you know, just please reach out to our office. Next slide, please. So this is the end of the presentation. A few takeaways. The Colorado Open Meetings Act and Records Act, very broad in the definitions that it uses. You know, as far as what a meeting is, very broad as far as what a record is, very broad. If you ever have a question, something in the back of your mind, your spidey sense is going off, you know, please contact our office and we're more than happy to help you. One of the tests that we want you to remember is that front page times call test. Think about it twice, three times, maybe more. You know, do you want this to be on the front page with your name attached? Watch out for gifts. You know, it's the public trying to curry favor with you by giving you that plane ride, by giving you free bronco tickets. And lastly, you want to make sure to avoid ex parte communications. If there's a topic of conversation, which is an agenda item, that's coming up, you know, direct the individual to submit a written comment to the board in person and cut off that discussion, you know, and disclose your communication to the board. Let everyone know that, hey, this person contacted me. This is, this is exactly what we discussed. And from there, you know, we can, we can move forward as to whether or not you're staying or whether or not, you know, you can be fair and impartial until we continue on with that discussion. Are there any questions or comments? Anyone have any questions? Linda. In order to contact you, could we be provided with your email and contact information either here or separately? Absolutely, yes ma'am, we will get that out. Thank you. Well, thank you very much. And like I mentioned, if you guys have any questions last night, we feel to reach out to myself or Chris, and we'll be able to help you. Great, Atassi, thank you very much for the presentation. Chris, welcome to the city. Thanks for joining us as well. Last call for any questions from the board members. All right, well, then we'll move on the agenda to our first public invited to be heard of the night. Dallas, Susan, I know we're live streaming and it's been a while. Can you guys do a refresh of the instructions for joining? Sure, Dallas, do you wanna run with that? Yeah, so we're going to take a three minute break here. So as you're saying, this is public comment with the public invited to be heard, which should now be on the screen. The public will call into this number here. They'll enter in the meeting ID 829-9337-7392. Once they are in the meeting, they will be muted. And when I call on their last three digits of their phone number, I will tell they can unmute themselves by hitting star six. All right, thank you very much for the instructions. Did I cut you off? I'm sorry. No, that's okay. Yeah, if you're good with that, then we can start our three minute timer. I'm starting a three minute timer. We'll take a quick break. Perfect, thanks. Dallas, we need to give folks five minutes. Sorry, Chair. I will change the timer to five minutes. So we'll take a quick break. We'll admire Council Member Maherton's hat on the screen and we will see everyone unmuted in five minutes. He's not allowed to do this anymore on council meetings. What's your cast name? Gimble. Gimble. Gimble with a G, like Gair and Gimble. Gimble, nice. Good to see you, Marsha. Chair, I just want to clarify. I think I misunderstood what Dallas was trying to explain. So we leave the slide up for five minutes to allow the public to call in. So again, if you're watching the live stream folks, now is the time to call in if you would like to speak to the board. And then during the public invited to be heard, they do have three minutes per person. Thank you very much for the clarification and certainly invite anyone to call in now. We've got about two minutes left and until we'll go into the public invited to be heard. Chair, it appears we are around the five minute mark. Right now I'm not seeing any callers in the chat. Well, if we have no one who has joined, we'll move on then to the next agenda items. We do have another opportunity for a public invited to be heard towards the end of the meeting. So if anyone is watching and missed out there, if we hit five minutes, please take advantage of the next opportunity. We'll move on then. We do have approval of the minutes on the agenda. You notice there were no minutes in your packet this month with Michelle's absence. So we will skip that for this month and we will come back. We'll approve double minutes next month. So it'll be extra fun. Old business. We're gonna start with a financial update. Joanie, Jeff, I don't know which of you is gonna kick us off here. Well, I can kick off. So I suspect in the past, you've gotten some different sort of report, but I did ask our finance staff to at least run what is the budget starting for 2022? So you all could see the whole budget, including the CIP numbers, which Sandra was kind enough to include on the bottom of the spreadsheet. So this is the entire airport budget for 2022. Obviously we haven't spent much money yet in 2022 because we're just getting started. And then also the CIP projects are noted below. And then Sandra did make a note about on the CIP specifically at the bottom. They have not carried over the funds from 2021 yet. That usually takes a couple months till they do that, but you will see that $729,870 balance carried over and that is for the Southside Utility Project. So those funds will be coming over once finance gets through their reconciliation of 2021. And I'm happy to answer any questions that I can. And if Jeff has any supplements, happy to open the floor. Mr. Robinson, let's kick us off. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Joni, I just wanna double check you said the CIP balance is 721,000. It is $729,870 is the amount that was in the 2021 budget. And that will be rolling over, yes. Thank you. Sure. Mr. Dean, Malcolm, you're here on mute. Is that better? Yes, sir. Go for it. Okay, how much should the snowstorm end up costing for removal? I'm just curious if there are any numbers crunched on that. We have not gotten any numbers on that. The nice thing is that City Public Works is doing the heavy lifting. They are clearing the runways and the taxiways and the main roadway areas. We have a private contractor that is doing the taxi lanes in between the hangers. But we have not gotten invoices for those yet. Okay, thank you. Mr. Bliss, Stevie, you need to unmute as well. Sorry, thank you very much. And this may be for Joni, I'm not sure, but can you explain to me what the exact process is for the south side utilities? What's gonna be done? I mean, utilities is a big open. Sure. Anybody? Sure. Actually, Jeff and I met with our Public Works Water Sewer Engineering team that is doing the final design to put back out to bid. They're anticipating getting that project back out to bid. Hopefully, I asked them if they could try to get that back out by the end of this month with the anticipation that we could get that under contract and someone could actually begin work in April on that project. So that is our current trajectory. What does that mean, the utilities? You're gonna bring utilities into the south side for what reason? Water to the hangers, bathroom? The utilities project that is being designed right now is sewer is the primary aspect, bringing sewer along the south end for the new area. There will be a couple of stubs. Two of the existing developments on the south side were designed for sewer. And so there'll be stubs off of this sewer line that they can tap into. There's also existing water out there within the existing developments that will be tapped into to extend water to the new area for development. So those are the two utilities that this project addresses. Is there anything on the books to make a bathroom over there in the south side? That's not part of the design of the sewer project. Certainly a bathroom could be tapped into a sewer project, but that's not part of this project. Is that in the works for long-term, you know? I'm not aware of that. I know that there was one built over here on the north side, but I am not aware of anyone that is planned into the south side at this time. Doesn't mean it can't be, but I'm not aware of one. Well, that's interesting because I always thought that's what the whole deal was. So going back to Dave Slater, my conversations with him, based on my comments that I received from the south side hangar owners, they want a bathroom over there, not a porta potty. And Dave promised it for last year, COVID hit, couldn't do it. And then they got pretty excited when we heard that there was gonna be sewer and water brought in. And that's what everybody thought. Now you're saying that that's not even in the plans. I'm not saying it's not in the plans. I'm saying I'm not aware of it. We're still doing a lot of catch up on what is being planned for and figuring out budgets. So don't misread my two month presence here of knowing everything that's in the work. Oh yeah, I apologize for that. I didn't mean to step over you like that. Not a problem. Okay, well, I just wanna say that it's been seven years I've been queried in the south side for a bathroom in the south side. David said there was one coming and we talked about that for years. And now I'll take it back to my buddies over in the south side. Let them know that it's not happening anytime soon. Council Member Hardner. Yeah, I would say Steve just, and this is just from economic development conversations and also from conversations from a couple of years ago. Oh, this horizontal infrastructure is there to enable vertical projects to have bathrooms, right? To have running water, to have kitchens. So just because there's not a freestanding bathroom that is gonna be as part of the horizontal infrastructure it doesn't, it's this horizontal infrastructure just like in a housing development, the bathrooms aren't part of the horizontal infrastructure they're part of each house. And I think that's the distinction that needs to be made. Yes, okay, very good. Thank you very much for that. It just seems to me that to bring the water and the sewer available for hangers that would like to have a bathroom in their hanger does not help the other hangers that are kind of wanting a bathroom instead of the porta potty which has overflowed a couple of times and it's unusable when that happens. So anyway, we'll keep on pounding the table on a bathroom for the south side. And that's all, that's the only thing I wanted to bring up. Thank you. Mr. Sal Matien and then restless how your hand is walking on your second. Yeah, I just had a question about other utilities like electrical or gas. I mean, Councilman, Councilperson Marsha Martin was talking about kitchen. I don't know of any kitchen that doesn't run on either electricity or gas. So why are we not talking about that? There is electricity on the south side already. So that doesn't require the substantial. And at this time, I don't believe there will be there's any plans on extending gas on the south side. So I have another question. So I see that whole side of the airport as potential for R&D. We're gonna need a robust facilities out there if we have one of my aerospace buddies who come out there and want to do some manufacturing, for example. Would the amount of infrastructure that you're building be able to accommodate a large development project on that side of the airport? I don't know the answer. I'll stop my head of what the capacity is of the sewer line. I recall it's a fairly decent size to accommodate multiple hangers being planned for that side. So even if it's a large R&D development, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't, but happy to circle back to verify what the capacity is of it. I certainly know it was discussed to enable, kind of besides for that future development, but I don't remember a discussion of technical and if it was, it would have gone in one ear and out the other, at least for me. So I can't give you a specific there, but we'll talk through that. Some R&D might require gas as a fuel source or use for other use cases, right? I mean, it really depends on what, like for example, if I'm doing chemical vapor deposition and I'm creating graphene, like a gas source would be very useful because you can turn methane into graphene relatively easily using chemical vapor deposition process. So like just something to think about. I know we've had discussions around enhanced electrical capacity, particularly for electric aircraft charging and kind of over-sizing that when we do future development, but that has been kind of early stage discussions, pending future development. And I will note there is gas on the south side. So Council member, are you on this topic? Because otherwise there's a little bit of a wrestle than you. All right. Yeah, on this topic, there's gas to the industry that is on the other side of the fence as it were, which is where, you know, something like the manufacturing that you described would be cited, it wouldn't be cited on the airport. The Climate Action Task Force has recommended that natural gas be contraindicated for new development. So I am not sure that extending the natural gas service onto the airport might not be opposed by the Council, I would oppose it. So the European regulators just indicated natural gas is a green fuel source? No, I'm serious though, I mean. You can send me that link, Talis. I'll be happy to, it's from the Economist. Yeah, that doesn't mean anything to me. Mr. Robison, please. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I was just gonna say to Member Bliss, perhaps you'd like to make a motion that we advise Council to dig into the CIP and put Southside Bathroom into there as a project. I second. Would anyone like to discuss the motion, Russell? I think you inadvertently propose there. If you're comfortable officially proposing that since we have a second. I wanted to give Steve credit, but I would be happy to take charge of it. Thank you. I think my only comment would be, you know, we've talked about some of the future development, one of the requirements potentially having a public restroom for all, rather than building a standalone facility. So I might request we make it broad enough that we can kind of support multiple delivery mechanisms with the goal of still having a public restroom on the Southside in the very near future. Mr. Bliss, sorry. Yeah, I think this is what we've always talked about is a public bathroom. Yes. I don't see why we're bringing in water and sewer and then waiting for hangers to be built and guys are either gonna use the water and sewer to build a bathroom or they're not. Let's bring that water and sewer in and do something concrete like a bathroom public for all those hangers that are in the Southside. Any further discussion here? Well, so the motion on the floor is, if I'm not mistaken, recommend to council to include this development. I might ask that we maybe give city staff until our next meeting to look at the feasibility and a proposal before we send that recommendation to council, but I'm happy to vote on the motion to recommend to council. All those in, I'm sorry, Russell, go ahead. I was just gonna add that I said council, but I guess, you know, I really mean recommend to the airport manager or whoever would make the decision on what goes into the CIP. Is that you, Jeff? Are you in charge of CIP decisions at this time? Or is that? I am not in charge of CIP because I'm interim. I have no authority. Chairman Earl, would you mind if I just give a brief description of how the CIP works for the city and the timing of that? So the city budget office requests all CIPs be entered by departments and that budget process begins in April. And once all of the CIPs are entered, they are then forwarded to the city manager for recommendation to council of what council should fund. And so that's really the trajectory of how all of the CIP works. So I'm certainly taking notes and we'll be looking at the CIP and what the airport needs to put in for 2023. But just know that we don't really get to any actual budget entry till April at the earliest. And hopefully we'll have any airport manager on board by then so they can work on some of these issues. So typically it would be the airport manager who is the department that makes the CIP recommendations to the city manager. Correct. So Ross, what's your motion? Would you like to amend it to make the recommendation to the city staff to the city manager's office? That we have? It sounds like it is pointless to make such a motion. So I withdraw my motion. And the motion is withdrawn. Would anyone, any further comment on that? I do have a couple, I'm sorry, Melinda, go ahead. I was just gonna say, could we put it on a future agenda next month and pick it back up because I'm on the side of the airport that has restrooms. And so I can't imagine what you guys do when you come in from a long flight. So it's a valid request and public over a few private in somebody's hangar that you can't get to anyway. It seems like a reasonable request. So if we can put it for next month's agenda to bring it up again with hopefully an airport manager, we'd still have time if it's gotta be in by April. I think that's fair, Melinda. And I'd like part of that discussion to be what is the delivery, whether it's the city funding or building it directly or it's a requirement for a developer to put it in themselves as part of the lease. Jeff, please go ahead. And also, and Russell, I just wanna clarify is that while I individually don't have the authority to do that, that doesn't mean that the responsibility as airport management is not happening. So just because we don't have a full-time airport manager in here doesn't mean that your request and the action of this body can't continue moving forward to move forward towards that April deadline. I would hate for you to wait until there's a full-time airport manager and then miss that April trajectory as well. So Joni and I and others are working as a team to fulfill all airport management roles and responsibilities. So don't let a lack of an airport, full-time airport manager hinder this board's initiatives. Well, I appreciate you saying that. I guess Steve and I and all the South Side people would ask you and Joni to seriously consider that for April. And hopefully the consideration, you guys can look into some of those plans and see kind of what may have already been programmed in and we can talk through that next month. Other financial update questions? All right, I've got two, Joni. I guess really just a comment. One of the financial updates we received in the past was a revenue update. So I think for future months, it would be really helpful to see that and be able to see how that's tracking in addition to the expenses. And I recognize we're 13 days past the end of the year, but when we have a full year 2021 summary, that would be really good to see to see where we ended up since it had been a few months since we did the full update. But that's really not a question. That was just a comment. My question is the two lines that caught my eye were on fleet lease and vehicles, which we've not historically had or anywhere near that dollar amount in the budget. And Jeff, I see you nodding. So I think you are ready for this question. Either one of you guys, it appreciates some clarification. I'm ready for the question because I have the exact same questions. And so when I saw this myself, I sent an email to fleet to gain some better insight to what those two line items represent. I don't have exact clarity on those. My understanding is that they're tied to a snow removal vehicle that was purchased through an auction at DIA, which they do quite regularly for smaller airports, which is a great initiative that they take on. My understanding is that what was purchased was not in the greatest shape and that there was a lot of money spent to try to get it into shape. Eventually that was abandoned and it was auctioned out as well. These numbers from the email I got today tie back to expenses that were done in 2020. I don't understand that. I have not had a chance to talk with Joni on this yet or not. I don't know if she has clarity on that email that we both received, but I am gonna dig a little bit more into that to gain some more insight. I do know that the city has approved a new vehicle for the airport that has not been ordered but will come online that will replace the existing vehicle that I'm currently using and has the potential of doing light snow removal as well. Fortunately, with the renewed connections and efforts through public works, they are utilizing their full fleet of snow removal equipment capabilities. Obviously the entire fleet's not coming over, but we're tapping into a lot of snow removal capabilities here. And I think I'll be reporting on our snow removal efforts here in more detail. A good question. I'd appreciate diving in because that is a substantial expense and a big chunk of the budget we haven't seen before. So I appreciate you already flagging it. Mr. Dean. Yeah, you said you purchased a vehicle and then sold it. Is there a way that in the future they can do like an inspection before they spend a bunch of money? I'm just kind of curious. That seemed kind of interesting. Yeah, I don't know the exact process. My understanding of the Denver auction process is that they, here's the vehicles and you bid on them along with other people. I don't know if there's an inspection process as part of that or not. So I'm happy to learn more about that auction process and report back. Yeah, that would be great because actually I used to sell cars and I used to have to deal with some of that. So that would be a good thing to kind of understand. So we don't maybe go through the snafu again. Absolutely. Cool, thank you. Joni, please. I would note that. I'll see you next. Okay. I would note that my understanding was is that that purchase at auction was not actually run through our fleet, which would have done the inspection and would have determined whether we should have purchased that snowplow for the airport and that did not happen. And so in the future, the airport won't be purchasing vehicles unless they're either purchased through our fleet department or with our fleet department really looking at those ahead of time. Okay, perfect. Mr. Salamuddin. I had another question about the budget. It looks like the maintenance is $15,000 less this year than it was last year. Why is that? I believe that, and correct me if I'm wrong Joni, is that you'll see down below that 15,000 was moved to prairie dog maintenance. That's a very low line item down at the bottom. And so it used to the prairie dog maintenance used to be in the regular maintenance line item, but was moved down because it's being done through another city department. So total amount doesn't change, just lines change. Correct. Yeah. Any other questions for anyone on our financial update? We've teased a little bit of the CIP update, but do we have a more kind of official formal update for this month? The CIP that's on there, the 60,000 is related to a grant that will be approved by the Colorado Department of Transportation Aeronautics Board here on February 1st. It's a $54,000 grant, which is basically 90% of the CIP. Obviously the city covering the other six. It has been earmarked for repainting airfield markings. So we are, once we get that approval, then our engineering, Dible Engineering will put together the specs so that we can go out to bid for that pavement markings. And once winter is fast, then we can get that project to move forward. Wonderful. Love spending other people's money. Mr. Robeson. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Jeff, in the last CIP update, we may have gotten from David, they had moved that to 2023, but are you thinking they get accomplished that this year? Yes, my expectation in what I'll transfer over to the new manager is the ball is rolling to have the pavement markings done this year. Right. Mr. Elmeteen. On the topic of the pavement, are we planning on extending the runway anytime soon to the thousand feet that I heard was already approved? So the, what has been approved is the airport master plan. The actual runway extension has not been approved. So that's all conceptual based upon availability of monies, monies both at the state level and the federal level and the city level. So I don't have a report of where that is in planning. And, but- Is there been an analysis to look at what the potential increase in cash flows would be due to the increase in fuel taxes that would be able to collect versus the cost? And what that break-even point would be for long-term period of time? I am not aware of any, I've not seen any. I've not touched all the paperwork in this office, but I've not seen any of that kind of analysis. Mr. Robinson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was actually just looking at this today. I ran a bunch of numbers on takeoff distance for various kinds of airplanes, how much room we have to the fence. And if we are gonna be doing any kind of runway extension that's gonna be valuable and provide a return like Alice is talking about, we're gonna need to get some property out to the West there. So, Joni, have any steps been taken to talk to the owners of that property or think about when that property could be available potentially in future years? Chairman Earl and Commissioner Robinson, I'm not aware of any of those conversations. I think those conversations would also, frankly, be directed by council if we wanted to be looking at making those types of determinations of buying property, but I'm not aware of any conversations that have been had with Boulder County or the few other properties that are out there. Forgive my insurance. I was told by Howard Morgan that it could fit it within the current footprint of the airport. That's not correct. And, Talis, I'm happy if you'd like to come by my office. I'm happy to show you the ALP and the runway extension and where our property falls. Happy to show that to you. And I am here tomorrow, next Monday and Tuesday, and happy to share my schedule going forward with people because I'm here just two days a week. Thank you, Jon. Anyone else on CIP? Talis, I was just looking at it on Google Maps, the distance from the end of the runway to the Western fence is 600 feet. And that would take us to 5,400 total, which is not gonna cut it for the next tier of airplanes coming in. We need about 1,000 or 1,200 to really make it worthwhile. I don't think it's the tier of airplane that we were talking about. I think it's mainly the tax loss of tax revenues because planes aren't fully fueling up. You know, that's what I'm being told by the Airport Owners Association, Howard Morgan. Like I said, I'm not an expert, but this is what I've been explained to me. And also just for clarification too of what may fit within our existing fence boundaries and not is that the FAA is very focused on safety areas and they now require airports to have those safety areas on property. You can't have them off property. So to do a runway extension, you not only need to fit the pavement, but you also need to fit the safety area beyond that pavement as well. So Marsha, have you or council members had any conversations about the property to the west of the airport? Council Member Martin, please. Sorry, my space bar doesn't always want to unmute me. So what Mr. Coleman has said about the airport needing to own the safety space is a new requirement since I was on the board. Since there's no funding for the runway extension at this time, the council hasn't taken any steps to do that. Tallis is correct in what he was saying is that we're not intended to go up a grade at all, but rather the, and forgive me because I don't remember the classification. Melinda probably does, is the biggest jet that Oscar Blues kept at the airport two years ago has to take off half empty in the summertime. And the main goal of that runway extension because that's kind of the biggest kind of jet that is used by business travelers as private jets. We wanna be able to fully accommodate those and that was as far as we wanna go. And I think that's as far as that runway extension could go. But I certainly accept Mr. Coleman's new information that we now would need to acquire some of the land around there in order to do the runway extension, which is a shame because it would probably be grandfathered if we'd done that runway extensions earlier. So I'm sad to hear that, but it hasn't come before council. This board could make a recommendation that because of these new conditions, it should be considered by council. So just to clarify. Pardon me. My apologies, go ahead. Oh, well, that was all. I mean, I think I don't think that just the bare naked recommendation should come, but a sufficient report that the council would be able to understand what the new requirements would be for a runway extension could come before council at some point. The council is unlikely to discuss it without that. And just for clarity on my comment is that it's not a new requirement. It's a fairly old, quote unquote, the airport layout plan that was part of the master plan includes that area. It's called the runway protection zone. And so it is shown on the existing plan as future property to accommodate that runway extension. So it's not something that in the last few years has come to place. Okay, cause it was not discussed when we talked about the runway extension before to my recollection. And again, I haven't thought about it for two years, but I could be wrong. Nevertheless, I don't think it's on council's radar that we would need to acquire that land in order to do the runway extension. Well, at least based on that discussion, the hold up at least my understanding for making the recommendation council was the funding was so many years out when we thought we could actually make this happen. I will remind us we have a bipartisan infrastructure bill that may have some funding opportunities that are still being worked through and would suggest we keep this as an agenda item for the next couple of months. Certainly as there's a new airport manager have it be a high priority discussion to kind of put together that more formal thought process around it and a recommendation for council, council member Martin. Thank you. I would just like to inform the board that there's some reorganization going on in the city about grant writing and consolidating the grant writing stack and being more aggressive about pursuing federal funding in particular. So this again would be a good time to put the requirements for such a grant into the queue because one of the potential ideas instead of looking for grants in a reactive mode have a queue of requirements that need to be funded by grants so that we are already putting together the boilerplate and the research and stuff for the grant before the funding opportunity arrives so that we can be early responders when opportunities arrive. So that really is a good activity for this board. I think that's really helpful context to understand what the city is doing broadly. I think we've seen the opportunity for increased grants without kind of knowing the details and so I think that absolutely is a future agenda topic and hopefully to get some of that staff engaged with us and help us understand that process a little bit so that we can push for it. Any other CIP comments from anybody right now? Well, then I'm gonna move along to our board consideration of Robert's rules of order for those of you who may not have been on last month or I know people dropped off early. The discussion was around kind of this persistent question of how can we make these meetings productive? How can we make sure we're being responsive to public comments and not just being talked at and ignoring them? And how can we still do so in an orderly fashion? And anyone who wishes to correct my characterization please do so. We talked about last month about having board members provide any sort of red line on the current bylaws which date back I think to 2017. I don't know if anyone has done so and would like to share some of their thoughts. I'll kind of open the floor to anyone who wants to start with that rustling. I'm hoping you have some good thoughts, Melinda. I think you may have had a couple too but anyone wanna kick us off? Mr. Robinson, please. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll pull out my extensive list of notes here. I'm just kidding. I recognize that, you know, Robert's rules are generally a good thing as far as keeping the meeting going. I just had a few changes that I would personally like to see if we're talking about bylaws specifically. The first thing I noticed is number four is board reports. I'm not aware that we've ever done that. I'm just gonna say that if I were the chairperson, you guys would be doing more work. I would be assigning, I know we're all busy but I'd be asking you to come each month with some kind of information, you know, whether it's from our airport or someone you talk to on the phone. So I would invite our new or continuing president, I guess our Harrison to maybe think about doing that if we have some item that we're trying to gather information on to ask for volunteers or another way to get board reporting on these items that were, you know, sometimes we bring stuff up and we're like, well, you know, I'm not really sure what the data is here. We need the data at hand at that time. So that would be one. The other one is I noticed just the way they word under officers, the last line says, you know, the chairperson is going to conduct the proceedings of the board based on material submitted by city staff. And then if you look at the under airport manager duties, they are the preparer of the agenda for the meetings of the board. I don't know if this is the same for all the advisory boards around the city. I guess, Joni or Marcia can comment on that. But to me, we should be coming up with our own agenda and we should be going out and asking for information from the airport manager and city staff to support that agenda. So those would be changes I would make. Yeah, those are the main ones. What do you guys think? I'll open up to anyone, Russell. I had the same comment on board reports on the agenda. And I also, you know, was hoping we could use that section maybe to tee off any questions or kind of solicit feedback from the public invited to be heard broadly. So we don't have... I'm really struggling with how we avoid having just a back and forth that devolves into argument without, you know, still giving us the ability to prompt that. So I appreciate that question. But I don't need to be the only one talking here. Melinda. You're good. So we had talked about how to handle public and it seems prudent to keep Robert Schultz of order intact for that. But do we have the liberty to extend? So somebody speaking three minutes have elapsed. They haven't finished their thought. We'd like to keep hearing from them. So that we have that safeguard of three minutes if it's not productive, but if it is a productive discussion are we, and I'm asking as a question, are we able to extend their time and do it case by case? So that would be one question. And then... Can I stop, Melinda, can we do that at the same time? I went to the library, I got my Robert case. Look at you. There's nothing in here about a three minute limit. That is, we can adopt. We actually don't have that codified in our bylaws whatsoever right now. So I would encourage us to do so and potentially provide a, you know, board is able to vote to extend it should the board want to, but the default is the three minutes would be my suggestion at least. So that's probably based on council being three minutes that we're just following their lead. So we could adopt five minutes. Yeah. We could move it to five. And that should be enough time for anybody to say what they've got to say. And so that would be one. And then to the board reports, in previous years that was happening and different board members took on different topics, issues, areas of interest. So in my case, the air show came to me. And so I usually reported on the air show and kept a surprise on where we were with that. And then we had the noise issue we had the noise issues we had the skydiving. We had a lot of hot topics that were going on and different people were having discussions, meetings. So we were getting that. We've been, you know, for a year in a strange spot of two years now for in a strange spot where we, it isn't as easy to have those discussions. So that's a good the, what we're talking about with Marsha, with grants, the, we were all, we were always talking about a 1,000 foot air extension of the runway. When I came on the board, that was going to happen in, I think it was 2025. It was slated and then they moved it up and it was going to happen by 2023. And now it's, we're not even talking about the same thing. So that's discouraging that we've, you know, the, the mark has moved around so much and that we're not even on track with the discussions. When I joined a hundred years ago, then the, it makes me think the likelihood of getting a bathroom maybe is better than getting a runway extension. So again, Steve championing that cause. I can see that this is, that the board members, everybody's got something of interest to them that they can certainly pursue and be able to report on as a start. And then as we adopt or get assigned to other duties, that's completely reasonable. So that would be, I think we can all walk away from this with whatever our pet project is and report on that. It's getting it on the agenda, leaving that board reports. We usually do around Robin, maybe that satisfied it in the past where we just went around. And, and then if we can either just stick with the three minutes that council uses and extend on a case by case that might answer our question about having a little bit more dialogue and not just restricting our speakers to speaking only and us not being able to respond. Malcolm, I saw you had your hand raised a second ago. You're muted. Sorry Malcolm. Oh, there we go. There we go. Earlier we had talked about how many people showed up. I know back in October last year, I think November we had, I think five or six people show up. And so we kind of extended it. If they had questions versus if one or two people show up, maybe you could go with that route with, if a lot of people show up, we don't maybe have a lot of time, but you know, one person shows up. It might have some more time to speak. A toss is at your hand raised as well. Yeah, now we can. Great. So with regard to. For November, Melinda's comment regarding the public invited to be heard portion. So three minutes. You know, that's what's being mirrored as far as council goes. If you choose to vote and extend that amount, one thing is that. That amount has to be applied to everyone. You can't be selective as to who gets, you know, one person gets three minutes. Another person gets four minutes. And then the other person gets five minutes. They have to be the same across the board. Addisling with regard to public invited to be heard. By definition, this is the time to listen. So there isn't any debate. There isn't any back and forth. Now, as far as the bylaws go, should you want to change the bylaws and add a portion where, you know, you have. Like you're still following Robert rules, but you do want to have a portion where there is a dialogue, that's, you know, the public invited to be heard. You know, currently it's three minutes. You'd like to be five minutes and it has to be five minutes for every single person that calls it. Or every person that, you know, whenever we have meetings in person that shows up, you can't be selective and you can't. You can't be selective as to who you listen to. You can't change the amount of time. A person has to be all the same. So can I ask a clarifying question on that? If we say had public invited to be heard agenda line, agenda line underneath that, that is board responds to, to public comments. That would be acceptable as long as we're still giving everyone the same amount of time to speak from the public. Is that, is that a fair characterization? Correct. Well, you'd have to have like the, it has to be fair and impartial. So it has to be every single individual. So that's something that our office can take a look into and get back to you as far as what is allowed. With regards to by law, if we're going to add this into the bylaws revision, if that's like another section that you want to add to the meeting. I believe currently. In the bylaws. In the world to be dry, I don't know what section it is. It is. We can, we can discuss revisions to that section. Okay. Steve, I saw you had your hand up a second ago. Yes, I did. Thank you. Chairman Errol. Hi. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I did. Thank you. Chairman Errol. I am in favor of extending it to five minutes. Every board that I've been on. It always comes up. Somebody's got a good case that they're bringing. And they are locked into this three minute. Time limit. And we cut them off. But we got to have some kind of a time limit because that will force the speaker to put their thoughts together. So I'm going to go back to that. I would like to see it extended five minutes. I would like to see that as well. Mr. Solomon. There is something to do with brevity. You know, when you're doing startup pitches, there's a reason why it's an elevator pitch. Because if you have your stuff together, you should be able to convey it. In a thoughtful manner. In a very. Precise way. Unlike the way I'm doing this right now. But yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure whether five minutes is almost double what. We were doing before. So, but on a side note, I do want to commend Russell Roberts. I completely agree. I think we should all have more homework to do. I, when I was running CEO stuff, I have everyone talk about what they've done since the last meeting, what they plan on doing in the immediate future and what their plans are after they've accomplished that. So I think I would love to incorporate those three things in, in our meeting. So we all talk about what we've done since our last meeting, what we plan to achieve in the short term and what our next step is after that. And if there's any blockers. Anyone else have any comments on our three minute, five minute on. I'm at least hearing everyone supportive of board reports in some form or fashion. I don't have any other comments there. Would anyone like to passionately defend three minutes versus five minutes. I come down on the three minute side. Three minutes seems incredibly long when we have many of them back to back. Particularly when we have two public invited to be heard. So every individual has six minutes. In a meeting, if they would choose to use it. But I certainly open it to a. It's not my call. Steve. Yeah. I'll make a motion that we extend to five minutes. The speaker's amount of time to present a case. Would anyone like to second that? Second. Moved and seconded any further debate. All those in favor of the motion. And Steve, I'm going to word this as. To direct us when we amend our bylaws to change it to five minutes. All those in favor, raise your hand please. All those opposed. Motion carries four to two. So we, that should be a part of the new bylaws. Anyone else have thoughts at this point. On the bylaws, anything else we need to discuss. Sorry, are we waiting for a direction from the city attorney office? I think we need to. Think about adding a section after public provided to be heard for responses. I would, I, I think in general, and please. At this year, Chris, correct me. We'll, we'll need to run these through the city attorney's office for the actual wording of it, but. I would at least like to discuss it as a possibility tonight, unless that seems out of order. Council member Martin. I would like to add something else. I might suggest. That on the city council agendas, there is a point for mayor and council comments. And so there could be a section for. Share and member comments. And that time could be used to address something that was brought up in public, invited to be heard without in making it into just a straight line. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point from time to time. I appreciate the perspective. I think where my, where my head is on that, because we have. A common period after the second public invited to be heard, but the first one. Often feels like. We have no ability to. It just feels a little. I don't know. And I think that's a good point. So I think we can at least. The feedback we've gotten. As I understand from a Tassie, then. We would be required to respond to each speaker though. And to be fair. And so everybody who spoke would have to get a response. Is, is what I thought I understood. So that's I think that's where we get gray on how to handle that on the first public invited to be heard. And looking for correction, I think it tosses there. That was that was what I understood on the fairness. So if three people speak for five minutes each we need and we're going to address we have to address each person that spoke. So you're correct if we if we revise the bylaws and we add a back and forth style of then you need to be consistent and allow each of the individual, you know, people that folks respond to but the board members are allowed to have a section at the very end of the meeting, the comment section which you're just referring to they have the opportunity to speak to anything that they want to speak to and they don't need to necessarily respond to every single public invited to be heard at that point. Thank you. So the, the issue would be if we have my needed to send me to something like when we had 50 people show up to speak about Scott having or against Scott, you know, then we would be required to address every single one of those. So maybe we leave that side of it. As the final comments. And then that was always around Robin so everybody would get an opportunity to speak and could speak to the subjects that they're knowledgeable about and perhaps the topics that they're working on as an individual to the board reports. I'm going to address and currently on in the bylaws you do have a section in the in the book in the meeting where board members and council representative staff are allowed to comment. Any other discussion on that on that part of it. So then Russell the last comment you had was related to agenda development and your suggestion to move those duties from the airport manager to the chairperson if I understood you correctly. Well as little as I want to keep our work upon you that is correct. I think that makes sense to me. Any discussion. Linda sorry. That seems like it's got to be a joint effort between you and the airport manager. And so, or the chairperson and the manager so we can have our items but a lot of times the airport manager has things that are time sensitive presentations things that we have to take a look at that would trump. If I wanted to have us have a big discussion about the air show. So that I think that's got to be. I get where we're going with it but I it seems like it's got to be balanced and maybe handled on a month by month basis, or a couple of months out. I mean, I completely get that point Linda I actually don't mind having that duty reside with the board member with the chair, knowing that practically speaking, it has to be coordinated with city staff because city staff has to make the posting. City staff still has to prepare the materials for it. Kind of just practically speaking and that that responsibility still rely with the airport manager so maybe we can just be very clear on the wording of you know, setting the agenda versus preparing the agenda and materials. My question would be how, then would we need to set aside time in the board meeting to discuss the next agenda as a group to get our items we've got to figure out how we would mechanics of how we'd get that done. I would suggest two ways one one as we do today, either as we go through the business or in our comments. And to the other proceeding item that is item number two there is, I'm sorry, item number three is adjustments to the agenda, which we've also, at least in my memory not used. And so that would give the board the ability to override the chair in setting the agenda. Okay, I've been ignoring a topic in setting the agenda you all could vote to to add it. Okay, and I know we have used that in the past when we had a large, large public there to speak. And if they were speaking we wanted to have that first public invited to be heard. We wanted to push the item until after the second so we have moved things around based on. Or we've moved something up while everybody was there so we could get it out of the way and then they could leave if they didn't want to stay for the rest of the meeting. So that I think we've used that in the past so that's effective. And then just yeah we do tend to ask to put it on the following months agenda. So it seems like we've got pretty good structure for getting it done. And frankly, I'd prefer that residing with the board to actually make that decision rather than with the city staff just given, you know, our advisory role I think that's appropriate for us to set our own agenda for the discussion. Yeah, agreed. Do we need emotion on that? I don't, I mean, I'm open to emotion. My understanding and since we have city attorneys all open it up to them. We can't amend the bylaws tonight. Right. We can only discuss them and discuss how we would like the the official amendment to look, which we will then I would suggest maybe we motion one or two people to work with the city attorney's office to write it up. Send it out to everyone because we need those notices sent five days prior to our next meeting. Okay. And I hear no corrections. I'm hoping that sounds accurate to everybody and everyone sounds seems okay with that plan. Have I missed any comments from anybody else? Well, then I'm just going to recap really quickly. No actual changes to the proceedings section, but actually following what is in the bylaws for the proceeding, which includes the adjustment to the agenda and includes board reports. There is not really an adjustment. It's not defined today, but defining public invited to be heard as up to five minutes per speaker. And changing the duties to move agenda development to the chair from the airport manager. Did I miss something. Sorry, I'm trying to remember Russell what you said I'm looking at my notes and trying to make sure I'm records on everything. Mr Coleman. On behalf of my predecessor. May I request that the change proposed change for the agenda be the board chair in collaboration with the airport manager. Yes, you may. Absolutely. Yeah, I think that's the intent so we will make sure the wording reflects, you know that that is the chair has the responsibility but they also have the responsibility to coordinate with the airport manager. Okay. I'm going to make my note here really quickly. And if anyone has anything else. Please let me know. Did we make a decision on whether we're going to have individual homework or not. I don't know that we necessarily need to have that as an as a change in the bylaws. I think we were generally supportive of kind of giving an assignment to a board member I think we were supportive of resurrecting board reports and using that as a time to update everybody on this. If I've misspoken anyone please chime in. But that was my that was my take at least Linda. Yeah, that's, I think we just need board reports back on the agenda. And place it under. I don't know if that's new or old business but we just put it up on the agenda so that it's the time is allocated. And then going forward, if we have specific topics that we're working on. We've got the transportation plan we've got there's a lot of a lot of things going on in the city that some of us are involved in that we can report on so either be by member or by topic I'm not sure how it's going to go but we just get it on the agenda to start. Yeah, yeah. If we're on the agenda we can work through the, the mechanics of that and figure out what works best for us. Speaking of homework then would anyone like to volunteer to be the one or two people who work with the city attorneys and draft these. Now as I see volunteer anyone else. Russell I know this has been near and dear to you but I also have a vested interest in this I'm, if you'd like to. Otherwise I'm glad to. To be honest I'm disappointed by what I've heard from the city attorney as far as what kind of changes we can make. I feel like it's foolish that advisory board through subject to Colorado open meeting laws when we're not policy making it. I think that's a correct interpretation but it, it would be better in my opinion, if we have to invite the public to come because we're subject to these laws that if we were able to engage in a dialogue with them. Like real humans, I would be more beneficial, but it sounds like that's not going to be the case so I would say it would be better if you work with the city attorney. I would certainly suggest that tells you and I work on drafting the revisions, and then we will coordinate with both city staff and the city attorney's office. I hear no objections to that so. If there are none I'm going to move on then. And our new business is airport manager hiring update. Thanks Commissioner Earl. So I have received number of applications HR has done some initial screening and provided those to me. I have started going through those to determine who I will be selecting for initial interviews have not gotten that completed yet. And my hope is that I can do that during the month in the next week or two and get that list of folks that will be looking to interview, and then move forward with interviews. So I'd really like to get someone on my staff by March 1, if possible. So that's where I'm working towards right now. I'll be happy to keep you all posted. And joining the intent is still once you do your interviews, and that then there is an opportunity for the board to provide input on a short list of candidates correct. So there would likely be an opportunity for the board to meet the candidates and, you know, depending on COVID and the course of action that council continues to take we'll see about meeting in person. I wouldn't be inclined to do that at this juncture, but hoping that in the next month or so we can maybe provide a different opportunity for the board to meet the finalist. Yes. Yeah, as long as the the intent is to still let us meet and then provide that feedback whether virtual or not. Yeah. Okay, yeah, because it's very certainly could be virtual. I'll just have. I'll certainly, you know, if we do it virtually that's a little bit more constraining I would agree I would guess you all think that too. Makes it less informal and I think less opportunity to really chat and get to know people but I will keep you posted and see where things had. Thank you. And since we have reviewed the bylaws, you know, certainly we can call that as a special meeting, you know, on any timeline, we need to. Yeah, I thought about that too, that maybe that we could just do it as at its own separate meeting. So, I see both Malcolm and talus you guys have questions. Tell us I saw you first so I'll let you go ahead. Yeah, I'm sorry maybe I'm just misunderstanding, but with all due respect journey trying to not allow us to have feedback on the hiring. It sounded like that. Oh, now I'm just trying to figure out what the best route is to receive feedback. And I think ultimately the staff selection will be to the reporting manager talus which is me, but certainly I do want to take input from the board. So I do just want to be clear about that as well. Mr Dean. Yeah, how many, how many people have actually applied for this position. We had about 19 applications submitted. And do you have a list of you have a set number you want to interview or to depend on the person. So, so we'll look at the job requirements that were outlined. And we have a very specific selection process that our HR department requires for folks who meet the qualifications. And so I'll be following those rules and kind of going through them to see who all is in that final slate. Typically I don't do just one set of interviews I typically do a larger set of interviews and from that typically get it down to a smaller group of candidates. That's a standard practice but haven't quite got there yet just yet. Okay cool thank you. Anyone else have comments or questions joining we're really pleased with the quality of the candidates we've received at this point do we feel like there's at least potential in there. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I feel positive about it. Oh, sorry, tell us please. I just want to make this comment that I feel is the aerospace and aviation are merging. And I feel like the next airport manager if they're going to be there for the long term should have aerospace experience because Colorado has a ton of massive aerospace companies. And I see a lot of potential for the airport for use in aerospace so I would really recommend that you look at people with aerospace experience not just management of a municipal airport experience. I'm not Sir Johnny sorry go ahead. I just want to say Harrison I will plan on following up with you directly as the chair probably in the next couple weeks. Wonderful. Thank you. I don't see any other comments on that so Mr Coleman would you like to give us your updates. Thank you Jerry Earl and board members. A lot been going on over the last month since we last met. Probably after our meeting we had our wind event at the airport. It was, I was here that day. And it was an experience. Not only was I here but my airplane was here too. So, I was not only watching out for other people's airplanes but I was watching out for mine. We were very fortunate as airport we had very little damage. The only real damage we had to airport city property was the beacon light on top of the wind sock that broke off. It was repaired a couple days later. The only other damage to non airport city property were our two Porter parties, which portable became the key word in those parties. So I pushed them off of, I pushed one of them off of the taxiway twice with the truck just to keep the airfield open. Not that really there was anyone using the airfield that day. But we had a few water drains on hanger spickets come off but it was really fortunately a very low event for our airport. We had two snow events which we talked briefly about. I'm glad that we waited so long as a Colorado and obviously we need snow whenever we can get it and moisture but these snow events. Fortunately, we're not so large that they weren't easily dealt with, you know, anywhere from three to five inches for each of those. As I mentioned, we have a two prong force going after the snow. We have the city public works staff that comes over and focuses on the main thoroughfare is both vehicle and the runways and the taxi ways. We have excavating excavation. I always get their name wrong. They're a contractor that works on behalf of the city, not only here at the airport but other city snow removal projects. They came out both with a blade, a pickup truck with a snow plow, and they also had the ability to bring over a loader to move snow. There was some learning curve for both that company and some of the city staff about uniqueness of plowing snow on an airport. Where to place snow, how high the piles can be, how close they can be to where airplanes operate. So we had a good debrief after the first snow event. I did some cleanup and I would say the second snow event went much cleaner. I would say, you know, I was expecting a lot of phone calls from tenants. I have two snow events. I got three emails and all issues addressed pretty quickly. So I applaud everyone that worked on those snow removal events that went pretty well. Talking about grants and funding, I believe I talked a little bit about some of the grants that were potentially coming available. One was through the airport rescue plan act. The airport has applied through the FAA for $59,000. This is all related to coronavirus and the FAA trying to help with the operational budgets of airports because of loss of revenues. We just received this week approval of those. I'm still learning about, okay, what does that mean? When will the money actually be received and in what form? There was also another airport coronavirus response grant program for $23,000 that was also approved this week as well. So I'll keep track of those. I already talked about the state grant of the $54,000. About three weeks ago, we got word, I believe it was mentioned about the infrastructure bill. It was already passed by Congress. And then those monies that are going to be going to airports then went to the FAA so that they could do their magic and figure out how are they going to allocate these millions and billions of dollars. Keeping in mind that these monies allocated by Congress is over a five year period. And then a lot of airport, the Vance Brown Municipal Airport recently was told that we will be receiving in our next round of monies, $295,000. It can be reasonably anticipated that that same amount of money will be received over the next five years. So some decent monies that we can potentially identify for some future projects. We also did some spill kits along the north side of the airport here between these hangers that are just west of where my office is where I'm sitting right now. Working with the environmental services of the city, identify better methods. If you've been over here in the past, we've had these blue socks around the drains, which really aren't that effective. We have purchased spill kits. They've been attached to the fence lines so that any type of release of liquid hazardous material. People can deploy the equipment in those spill kits to protect those drains because those do drain directly to the, what's the ditch over here the brain ditch or the same brain ditch. I probably got the wrong word, nigh watt ditch. I think is what is right out here to the north of me. So we are having implemented that. This Saturday I spent the day and the night dealing with a inadvertent ELT that went off in an anger. And so I was down at my home in Centennial, all throughout the day I was called by the FAA and the Air Force Rescue, Airport Rescue Response Center. I always forget their name. Then I drove up, took my radio and I figured out at least one of two hangars that could have been in and was one owner, which I called he told me where he hit his key so I got into his hangar wasn't his aircraft unfortunately. Not until the next morning was I able to finally get the contact information for the other hanger. He came out. As his aircraft, he must have inadvertently hit the ELT on switch on his panel. When he was getting out of his airplane. For those that sent out a stakeholder communication today. For those that don't know old ELTs go on a frequency of 121.5. 121.5 has its problems. One is that the Air Force no longer monitors that frequency by satellite because they were getting too many false signals. In 2017 alone there was 8956 false 121.5 signals. It's not monitoring it. And so if you were to crash, the only way you would be found is if an airplane was flying over you and was listening to 121.5 as a pilot. I regularly listened to 121.5 as I fly, but it's not the best tool for being found, especially in remote areas. There's a new ELT available for 60 megahertz. That actually as an aircraft owner, you have to register your ELT with your name, your phone number, your address. So when that 460 megahertz ELT goes off. They knows who they know who it is being monitored by satellites on a regular basis. You're going to be found, or if it's a false thing, you can be called and said, Hey, your ELT is going off, please go to your hanger and turn it off. You know, the airport manager driving up all night and figuring it out. So that was my excitement this weekend. And that's my report. Happy to answer any questions. Sounds like a very exciting weekend. I'm clarification. If you said 295,000 was the anticipated infrastructure bill. And that that's times five years. So, you know, just shy of 1.5 million is the expectation. Is that correct? Yeah, so we only have been told how much we're going to get this this year. The FAA obviously can adjust how much different airports are going to get based on different needs. So plus minus 295 over five years, I don't want to make any promises of what year 234 and 5 are going to be. But it's a, I would say a fair rule of thumb because the amount of money that general aviation airports are going to get each of those five years is the same. So it's just how does the FAA allocate them across the airports, each of those years. So we I wrote down grants for a future topic on a future agenda. So I'm looking forward to talking through that a little bit more and how we apply it to a CIP. Mr. I'm sorry, Jeff. Thank you, Mr. Jeff was the reason that it took longer to get the second hanger tenant contact info that it was a sub lease or something like that. Yes, thank you for that question. Yes, it was a sub lease. And up until that night I didn't have contact information for all of the sub blessings. I now have all of the sub blessings for that row of hangers and the row next to it. I've worked with a lot of the other associations to get contact information for those parties. I'll tell you that I don't have. And when I talk about contact information having an address where less see doesn't do me any good in these situations. So I've been working really diligently to get email addresses and phone numbers of as many people as as we can. And I can me or the future manager can reach out in these kind of scenarios, because timely contact is important. The other reason I'm working hard on just to give you guys some advanced notice. I'm working really hard on on trying to figure out all the contact information for people is that we really need to change our gate codes out here at the airport. And understanding that it's been the same gate code for a number of years that there's a lot of different people that have it. In fact, I was called today by a tenant that is ex wife is likely going to try to break into his hangar. And she unfortunately has the gate code. She's not on the lease. I'm not going to change the gate code tonight, but it's like, I'm not going to go change the gate code and get, you know, a lot of phone calls and emails angry phone calls and emails I want to try to provide as much advanced notice before that is done. Yeah, that's, that's a new thing I want to go back to the contact info though if I can. Is it not in the airport rules that HOA is or whoever has to get that info and forward it. I would Harrison, whatever mechanism that we want to use at this point I would say that that should be added to the airport rules that HOA is have to give all their tenant contact info and any sub letting that is done. That contact info needs to be given to the airport manager as part of the sub lease. I would suggest Russell event is a motion and direct that to the city staff that that that change. We don't approve rules and regs so I would suggest that is a recommendation to city staff to make that change would that would be city council would amend the airport ordinances that what would happen. I actually don't know the official process. The rules are in ordinance of the city and would require city council approval modification. Okay, I move that we recommend a city council that a requirement of any lease or sub lease on the airport is contact information, including phone number be given to the airport manager. Second. Second. I'm open for any discussion on the motion. Just think it's got a lot of, it's the right time because that's not the first time you've had to play chase at the airport. Jeff, that's the second time, the first being the radio being stuck. So that's where I'm sorry that that'll be your legacy but so this is good. I think that's pretty uncomfortable. So that's good. Okay, any other comments. Vote all on favor of the motion raise your hand. No one opposed. So we have a motion to recommend a city council to amend the airport rules to obtain contact information from lessie sub lessies included phone number. Thank you, everybody. So there were some other hands on the airport update broadly and I'm sorry I forgot who it was in the in our kind of discussion there. Mr Dean, thank you. Yeah, quick question. You guys make around Robin's like every quarterly you could update the code. I think there's probably a way to do that if people are concerned with having old gate codes. But updating the codes is not that complicated. You know, just go around to the six gates and it's pretty easy process. The biggest challenge obviously will be the best way to communicate and make sure that that communication is is not broadly communicated but to those that that need it. You know, the other the other issue that we have here too is that besides tenants, we have UPS FedEx that deliver to hangers on on the airfield that don't have landslide access. There's a lot of other parties that have legitimate reasons to have access so have to think through all those dynamics but it can be done and it should be done because we want a safe and a secure airport. The only reason I suggest that a lot of colleges are going to this now with you know college shooting some stuff and a lot of students are getting emails and text directly to their phones. I don't know if that would be something you thought about maybe because if people come and go if they had if you had their info you could you know send the text out and say you know next month it's changing to this number. Yeah. Thank you. Palace God. Yeah when I first came to the airport I was shocked how easy it was to get on through the gate thing. And I'm not sure whether that's a universal thing for all municipal airports but I was pretty surprised we didn't have more advanced security. You know, with key cards and RFID and that type of stuff. Is that something we're thinking about is this really not that expensive technology. Yeah, it's so smaller general aviation airports it's more of a budget issue. And then the second part is, while you may be able to implement a reasonably low cost at the gate, you then create a administrative burden to right now a one person shop of administering badges administering the RF IDs, you know, tracking them tracking them, turning them off when tenants no longer are here. It certainly can be done it just, you know, needs to be figured out the most economical the most low manpower related way, but still maintains a proper level of safety and security. It doesn't need to be addressed. One of the key things that needs to be addressed as the completion of the fence. We currently in the northwest corner, have a portion of the airport where you can literally drive off of a road down off of a public road down a dirt road on to a taxiway. That's not good. So I think with some of these monies that are going to be coming our way that is my personal priority that I'm going to recommend to the city that we need to get that fence completed. To the discussion of access to we've got to remember it's not just the people on the airport who have hangars that you have contact for you have transient traffic you've got transient people who stay a day to a couple of weeks will leave their plane there that you have to get access. So it is, it seems like it should be tighter but I've never been to another airport that was tighter than ours, and as transients you have to be able to land, get out, get back in, and not have to go check in with them to get access and then out or get a code. And then the codes typically, as all of you know where the either their ours has happened, ours is VFR, but it'll be their airport identifier their a was or something like that. And then that needs to be someplace where somebody can pull up, see it, and then let themselves out so it's not our airport it doesn't exist just for us so that's I think the thing the bigger picture is, and that we are trying to invite other traffic people so it needs to be, they need to be able to move about. Yeah, and they come in the airport. Yeah, Vice Chair Jordan has a good important reminder and I would say that our airport, separate and apart from the lack of the one fence is, is relatively secure, other than probably people having the code that doesn't. But there are other people that use the airport and we need to always keep them in mind and whatever plan we put in place. There was one night I received a call at two in the morning from an ambulance company saying, Hey, we're at this gate we can't get out to the airplane with a patient. And so, you know, assuming that it was an ambulance at the gate, I gave him a code, you know, we had no other choice I wasn't going to risk a person's life, not limit them into the airport, but you know we have to figure out all of those nuances of the different people that use our airport. Tell us the security issue the example of a upset ex wife, or as soon to be ex wife sounds like would be your own security year, you can put in a ring, or a, you know, you can put in any kind of device you want to put in within your hanger, lock the door, not hide the key someplace and keep it with you. So, you know that I feel like the responsibility of the property inside the fence is totally on us with airplanes there. Keep the door locked, keep, you know, have lights on or but you could also install cameras and do the things you need to. One guys issue doesn't demand that we change everything at the airport. So it's probably do for an update, but again, it is a logistics, I feel the logistics on that. So that's an isolated incident and the ambulance same thing you've got me so you let somebody on that wasn't who they said they were. They can't get into my hangar the doors locked and so and the windows are so high you can't break them out so I don't know how they would get to my property. And then if I were that worried about it if I have that much value, I'd be putting some cameras on lights things like that. So, it's kind of an individual issue I think, especially if you've got somebody going rogue in your own situation. The security fencing also keeps animals out. Hopefully doesn't keep the prairie dogs out but serves other purposes and just that the public can't wander on and it does serve that purpose although they can come to the FBO and wander on and walk midfield. So it's it's it's an ongoing issue and it's up to us to be paying attention and to report things if you see things. So we are aware of something to let the airport manager know, or call the police. You know there's other other ways to handle it it seems like to I saw my hands from Mr Dean and Mr Robus and Malcolm want you to go ahead first. You know, make it too difficult to get on and make it look like Alcatraz people won't come either. I think that's, that's an issue. My personal my dad and I, part of the reason we learned about the airport was we talked to people before they started fencing so if you make it too difficult that it might keep people away as well. Mr Rubison. Thank you Mr chair, I was basically going to say the same thing I wholeheartedly second everything Melinda said, and the same thing that Mr Dean said when I was flying in California there were a couple of reports that instituted pretty draconian safety measures and I just dwindled away to nothing. I mean, people stopped going there. And I feel like that's the opposite of what city is trying to achieve with this airport. I appreciate those comments very much. And, you know, being a pilot, and as a transient pilot at a lot of small general aviation airports I'm always impacted or pleased about the methods that I can always gain access. So, you know, when I first came up here to the long mar and airport two things. One was when I came up here during the summer and had lunch at the, at the truck, I forget what the actual actual name of it was but the food truck there by the that was a nice community setting. But then when I came up here as the interim airport manager and seeing the place where people can come and just watch and see what is happening on the airport. When I'm doing my fence line inspections and picking up trash I will regularly stop and talk to people there so it is it is important that we maintain that sense of community here. Any other comments or questions for Jeff. Well then I'm going to move us along this is a long meeting already. And we still have a few things to go so we have final public invited to be heard. Since this is the live stream Dallas I'll ask you to put the instructions back up. And we will then start a five minute timer here to let people join in. Anyone who is watching who would like to comment please dial the number on the screen 8887 880099 Enter the meeting ID 8299337 7392. And we will come back here in about five minutes. See if we have any comments. I'm just going to call out that we've got about two minutes left here so if anyone would like to call in please make sure to do so. Make sure to do so now. We're going to have five minutes here. That's what it's just about to say yes we have no one in the queue and I'm also at the five minute mark here. Well, hopefully we'll have some public invited to be heard some comments at our at our next meeting. It's always nice to get those. I'm going to move us on then to board council and staff comments starting with board members with anyone like to comment on anything else tonight that we haven't talked about. Melinda. This is actually what we did talk about to the point of reports member reports. I have written a list already of 2468 1011 items. If it's appropriate I could just shoot it out in an email nobody replied to it it doesn't require reply. So I that come to mind immediately are the advanced long month 2.0. And I don't know if they met I had it on my calendar for a meeting in December but I didn't see anything come through and I missed the inaugural meetings back in the fall. And other board members have been attending that the air show. Of course, the climate action task force that Marsha mentioned sounds interesting. Electric charging stations we've talked about that. The next piece of doing that is far bigger than just saying that the runway extension public restrooms on the south side. Noise complaints or how we're handling public input about the airport. It's not just not necessarily just noise we there was a quite a discussion on next door. A couple of months ago about airplanes flying low over the airport. They were on approach grants to just somebody to help. With the grant process with the city to be that liaison to that process probably the contact information some of those things we can be doing to help the airport manager as well as help with enforcement or gathering data. And that leads into the airport security, then that leads into that. And then rules and regs a lot of things we were talking about would go probably come back around to rules and regs. Again the contact you know some of those standards of operation that we are working to uphold and maintain and what our part can be in that. So those were. I think we have to start back at zero on a date for that. And I'll bring that up next meeting. So those are the things that come to mind immediately for topics that all of us have some very vested interest in that we can take and report on. I might suggest that at least for tonight in the interest of it already being 830 everyone at least takes that list. Things through the handful that you'd like to be involved in remember we can have two people for each one of those. At least for the, you know, outside of the meeting discussion. And maybe we can do some assignments next month. Council member Martin I did see your hand come up in the middle of that. Yes, I was just getting in the queue since I'm invisible my my battery ran out and I had to go plug in in a place that I really don't want to be visible one. Yeah, my messy office. But anyway, let's let the board go first if there's if there's anybody else that I have some liaison remarks at the end. I will make sure we call on you. Assistant City Manager Marsh was this in relation to Linda's comments or I'll let you have some comments as well then. I wanted to let you know that even though we close the public invite to be heard someone did come in afterwards so there is someone here and I Susan just wanted to let me know. If you wanted to go back and let them speak there is someone here. I would certainly be inclined to reverse lately. Yeah, a lot of men. All right, so if we can do that please. Sure thing. So I will admit them. Caller with the last three digits 066 would you please unmute yourself and please mute your live stream in the background as well. Caller 066 we see you can you speak please. Yes, Don Dulcy, Hangar 15. You can go ahead you've got three minutes and address your comments to the board please. Okay, thank you. My comment one was, was good to hear from Jeff that the, there was a meeting after the snow plowing to talk about what went right probably what went wrong and debriefing meeting. And I noticed that after the second snowfall, we were flying one of those days and several days after the snowfall and it seemed like the run up areas could have used a little more touch up maybe getting the blade a little closer to the ground and for the concrete to get the ice off because we were unable to actually do a full power run up as appropriate due to the ice and the plane was just walking. That's what I was just about to say. Yes, we have no one in the queue and. Do you mind turning off the stream in the background please. Caller 066 you just muted yourself. I muted him so he could hear us. Caller 066 do you mind muting your live stream. Hello. Don, you're going to have to mute the live stream or you're not going to, you're going to hear a repeat. There's about a 20 or second. You've got about a 20 or second delay. Oh, I see. I hadn't actually finished. Don, you muted the telephone and not the live stream. So I'm going to ask you to unmute your telephone. You need to listen in your ear for our instructions, not the live stream. The live stream is about 20 to 30 seconds delayed. Don, are you there? I'm asking you to unmute. Can you hit star six? I'm here. Okay, make sure you mute the live stream because you're going to hear yourself in about 20 to 30 seconds. He's not getting it. I'm not sure how to proceed because we're going to be in a loop of an echo. So Don, hopefully you're listening to the live stream. Wherever you're listening to this live stream, you need to turn that off and you need to listen through your telephone where you just called in. So Don, I'm going to ask you to unmute your telephone again. Hit star six. I'm muted. Okay. And have you stopped watching the live stream on YouTube? I haven't stopped watching. I just turned the volume down. Perfect. Okay. So hopefully we won't get that echo. You may begin again or continue where you left off. Yeah, Don, if you want to continue, I had you just shy of one minute in and I'll restart a clock for you so we don't cheat you on your time. Okay. Thanks very much. I didn't realize it was a 30 second delay. I wanted to say thanks to Jeff for letting us know there was an update or I guess a post snowplow meeting relative to what things probably went right or went wrong plowing the airport. I know in the past the city public works has removed snow from the field and there were several times where some extra touch up was needed. And I would say during some flights, a couple days after the second snowfall, the run up areas were still really icy. And as a matter of fact, we couldn't even do a full power run up because we were sliding forward to the, to the live due to the amount of ice that was in those areas finally did melt off and we were able to find some clear spots a few days later. But maybe coming back out and putting the blade a little closer to the concrete had worked in those areas. Another, another question I had was at later, David Slater's last meeting, which would have been back in, I don't know, August or September. He said that the council had decided to put on the back burner any development proposals at the airport. So this may be more appropriate to ask Joanie about. One done came to the board meeting four or five meetings ago, concerning a lack of movement on his, on the, his proposal to the city to develop the south side of the airport. And I'm wondering if there was any progress being made to get his proposal considered or are they going to turn it down? I can't hear Joanie right now speaking because I've been asked to mute my phone and I'll have to put it back on here pretty soon to catch up with if she's trying to address me. And lastly, I know Marcia mentioned natural gas. And I, I think all the hangers on the north side of the airport certainly use natural gas for heating besides whatever else the palace was thinking about using it for on this outside. But I have a feeling natural gas is probably still going to be around to be used for at least another 4,000 years. So I will end that. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Donce appreciate it. I would return us then to board comments. We'll let council member Martin speak, we'll let staff speak. And as we discussed, anyone is welcome to address any of the comments in their own comments. Thank you. Would anyone else like to like to speak and Linda, I don't know if you finished or you had more that you wanted to go back to your good. Okay. Would anyone else and hear the board members. Then I'll move us on to a council member Martin, please. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to say that. I have a, a member of the advanced long month 2.0. Steering committee. And one of the things that we're doing is working to reconstitute. A collective impact committee for. Vance brand. And so that was on Melissa's Melinda's list, I believe. And so I wanna, we could have two members of the airport advisory board. I would like to request that one of those two members be the chair or the vice chair just by virtue of long experience and so on. But if I could get an email that would express interest in somebody sitting on that committee, then I would be happy to put you on the invitation list. It's probably gonna be a few weeks because the steering committee just canceled its January meeting based on too few people being available between being sick and working on other things because of all the disasters that we're having. But I'm hoping there will be a meeting in February. So we could look at it in that timeframe. And Jeff or Joni also would be welcome to participate in that if you have the cycles for it. So that was really all I wanted to say was I'd like to hear interest expressed. In doing that. Thank you. I think that would be great to have us involved in that. Would kind of the timeline of board members expressing interest in some of those various topics and who kind of what wants to work on what issues at our next meeting on February 10th. Would that be good timeline that would line up with a potential February meeting or is that too late? Do we need to have that discussion sooner? Well, it's because you're not exactly. Hmm. I'm not sure that it needs to be a collective decision of the board at all. You know, the collective impact committees are just. They're just a stakeholder committee. So. I think it's probably a personal decision of the board or a decision of the board, whether you want to nominate someone who officially represents the board. Or whether this is just an open invitation. Because it's an open invitation to any member of the. Any resident of Longmont. Can, can be a participant in a collective action group. So. The direct answer to your question, Harrison, is that I don't know because. I'm not, I'm a member of this during committee, but I'm not the person who schedules the meetings. Understood. And I think fair. On the. Expression of interest from anybody. Linda. I see your hand there for a second. Yeah. The, so that was, I'd been contacted about the, the advanced Longmont 2.0. And then I, if my memory serves me correct, I recruited you. And Russ. So we could toggle tag team through those meetings because of when they occur. And I think you both have. I never was able to attend a meeting, but I think you guys were. And you got started with it. So I would certainly. Value that if you guys would continue to carry the torch. If you have time. And that's really, I think of all the. The topics. That's probably that. And. So we could toggle tag team through those meetings because of when they occur. And I think you both, I never was able to attend a meeting, but I think you guys were. And you got started with it. So I would certainly. I would go ahead and say that. I wouldn't say that the. The grant, the grant is probably a grant. Probably. It would be the only things that will require outside meetings. You know, a bigger time commitment is the thing to think about with this. I'd asked about rolling the members through it, but there's not. You lose the continuity. On the discussions each month. And we definitely do as the airport want to be. Very visible. putting forward ideas and hearing what's going on as we move toward electric and more green initiatives at the airport as well. So it's good to be involved and I'm, I think we share that interest and concern about the topics that are going to be discussed. So if you and Russ are still able to carry that, that'd be what I would recommend if you guys have the time. I actually never made it to one of those. I didn't mean to cut you off though and then Russ will I see you over too. Yeah, I was going to say I was on what happened is that they decided that the vertical, you know, connectivity organization of the collective impact groups wasn't working and they reconstituted the concept as a horizontal meeting and I was going to say, I think Russell, you came with a liaison pack to one meeting and I think that's all because I was at all of them. So I don't think we have a big history at this point from the board. Russell, do you want to go ahead? Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, Marsha, I attended the meeting in August. I think you still have the vertical flowchart at that point and my opinion was it wasn't a good fit for our board member to attend the connectivity meetings. If it's, if you're telling me now it's more of a horizontal idea of the steering committee, then maybe it would be worth revisiting. But what I wrote down is the steering committee takes recommendations from their subgroups, which were at the time the connectivity and other groups in the Longmont area and then reports to city council and advisory boards. So I was thinking that the steering committee would be present at some of our meetings and give us any updates on what they're thinking about the airport, which Marsha, now that you're our liaison again, I think would be easier to facilitate. So is that correct? Not really. The collective action committees are not controlled by the council. They can request like any other interest group to report to the council, but they are under the auspices of the Longmont economic development partners who are an independent agency. And essentially this is a group of people who care about economic development for KLMO. And I think at the meeting that you came to, Russell, Joan was trying to get the collective impact group for the airport to disband. I'm not sure why, but I think she was. That's not the way I feel about it. And I think that an independent collective impact group, collective impact group just means citizens doing stuff. And it's a very powerful concept that's backed again by the EDP as well as the city. And I would be very welcome. I would very much welcome a strong group like that. And I think there's going to be one. I would think that the airport advisory board would like to have someone on that group. That's great to hear. As you said, the results of the meeting I went to were pretty negative toward the airport. So that's why I figured what I did. But if you're saying that it's worth another shot, then I'd be happy to attend the next meeting. Okay. Well, we'll put you on the list. Thank you. And I'd really still like to have a chair or a vice chair there, but it's totally up to you guys. You know, me too. That's all I've got. And the steering committee really is just like the manager of all of the collective impact groups. So I will be a member of the airport collective impact group. But the steering committee is something else. The steering committee is just facilitating collective impact groups and getting there, helping them figure out how to implement their ideas. Well, so we at least have a thrust of interest from Board Member Robison, Board Member Salah. I'm going to mispronounce it. I'm really sorry, Talas. Salamation, which is wrong, but my brain is not working anymore at 8.48 in the evening. And I apologize, Council Member Martin. I am certainly more than willing to play a role in their two, although I know we're at three members. And frankly, I'm not looking for more meetings on my calendar either. So I am happy to, happy to support. I am very supportive of the idea, but I'm not sure I can commit to much at this point. Okay. Well, the, you know, the collective impact group can report to the board, the committee itself, not the steering committee. But yeah, we can, you know, we can do that. I warn you too, it's a sustainability collective impact group. So we're, you know, we're looking for people who will care about airport sustainability. Is John Gransfield on it? Pardon? Yep. He is, yeah. I was going to say he should be if he's not. No, of course he is. But anyway, that's, that's, that's where it goes. So send me an email or, or is the board going to officially designate? I mean, I think either way works. It's just a question of what we want to do. But if we only have two people that are interested in doing it, then, you know, that's fine with me. I would encourage those two and anyone else would like to do an expression of interest to Council Member Martin directly. I don't think there's any, we don't need to do that officially, but I think the discussion at least kind of shared where that's going to go. All right. Very good. Send me emails because I don't, you know, I don't have personal emails for everybody. I have talises, but Did you have anything with Council Member Martin? No, that's it. Then I'm going to move us to city staff. Joni, or Joni, why don't you kick us off and then Jeff, if you have anything, I'll let you go. Go next. I do not. Thank you. Jeff, anything else? You're muted, Jeff. Nothing more than my earlier report. Thank you. Well, we've made our way through the agenda. Thank you, everyone, for sticking with us at 8.51. This is definitely one of the longer meetings we've had in quite a while, but I think it was incredibly productive and I'm really excited for we're setting ourselves up for 2022. I'm going to go ahead and adjourn the meeting. Hope everyone has a great evening and we'll be in touch soon. Thanks, everyone. Have a good night. Good night. Thank you, everyone.