 Jason Scott behind the camera rocking that shit right all the time 24-7 making it happen CDC is a neo-Marxist anarcho-socialist terrorist organization forged for the sole purpose of getting on TV Geez in the mid-80s you have war games I was part of the war games kid That was like a thing because you saw war games and you're like at the right age and you were very excited about this That was bbs culture stuff and then by the mid 90s and dev con you had early internet stuff going on So people were primarily on the net The hacker thing, but you had that hackers movie. I guess it's movies man Like just this goofy cyberpunk stuff and the funny hair and yet Mando 2000 wired was new That kind of stuff and it was like a lot of people in the Bay Area were making lots of money all of a sudden these kids in their 20s getting rich and like so they're kind of like Typical kids in the mid-20s doing kids stuff, but with lots of money The first hacker cons were absolutely just parties it was just meeting people and then anything that any knowledge transfer that took place Was behind the scenes. It was while you were having a beer. It was In the room full of strippers and coke. It was uh, you know while you're in the pool As opposed to a sort of an organized knowledge transfer however when you've got You know, it's sort of as it developed it turned into okay We'll have a speaker. We'll have one room and then eventually it was like, oh We have too many people too many people to fit into a weekend. We'll have two rooms or three rooms or whatever um That doesn't necessarily mean that the the quality of the information is that's being transferred is better But you can reach more people Because we are Def con is like you could say def con has changed and that You could say it's a sort of a trade fair in some ways to a lot of people. It's like a job fair Kind of thing. That's cool. I mean the industry has changed the whole scene has changed And that's not bad. I mean this stuff is important and people need work and it's a good place to get it Right, so there's maybe a bigger focus on that But we could still do our stuff a lot of times people will throw around The term media circus in a derogatory term um, however I don't think that's correct. And I think I think that def con is the best media circus out there I think that nobody does it like jeff does And nobody does it on the same scale or as effectively and I think that that's important You know, especially coming from a Cult of the dead cow standpoint a media circus is nothing but good I mean, it's always a partnership, but It was our thing we like def con expects a certain thing like guys had a podium talking, right? We're like not we're doing something special Like I know obscure images came up with this great video And that was a big thing and we brought in our own sound system Because you know, they got the guy at the podium. We need we need a big sound system We're trying to do a rock show. We think if cdc is a band and def con is the stage, right? So you got to make this happen big. So it means you need a sound system You need real lights. We brought in our own lights like rock lights because that's what we want That's sort of the model is the band thing. That's what we think of so, yeah, I mean we It was the venue def con is the venue for a performance Because you want to go big The world's toughest milkman also the world's toughest milkman Next we got night stalker the official crazy old guy of cdc Also known to ride shotgun in demon seat elite Omega model for the movie pie We got the high priestess of cdc lady carol Behind her we've got brand new cdc member the exclusive who was also a monster truck mechanic Well, you know that you know the whole story beforehand when uh, ISS wanted a copy of the source code And basically asked for an advance and we're like, uh, well, you know, we'll we'll send you A copy of the source code if you send us an official request And then, you know, they fed us in it fed access an official request For for an advanced copy of this core source code and we're just like, oh, shit We don't want to send they called our bluff So then we amended it to a request that said that we'd send a copy of the source code for one million dollars and a monster truck And uh, they didn't they did not choose to take us up on that offer This is around bo2 time. We had some kind of release. I remember what it was But there was like a german TV team coming like a german press stuff and we decided we were gonna play him So like we had a suite the suite of the elite. We had a big room and uh, we set up the drug table It's like fake drugs because we're gonna blow these people's minds So we had like cups of pills all these white powders laid out everywhere And we had dudes coming in like while they're doing the interviews talking about technical stuff, right Interviewing doldog or whoever and we had guys coming in the background like grabbing pills snorting Whatever it was sugars sugar Um, snorting these white powders Just put on a show and it was hilarious and it blew their minds Just this is like yeah, this is how we do it. It's ridiculous. It was a funny. It was a stick. It was great And that's the thing the stage Putting on the show and it's so fun Like this is your shot. This is your one to your shot you put on the show and it's fun. Everybody has so much fun It's great We need to talk about that all the time but sometimes I like that. I like them funny cattle horns Don't look, don't look, don't look I tell you that's the sign of satan. That's the sign of cbc This makes me so happy