 Hello and welcome to MIPS TV and with me is Carrie White who's going to be presenting at the Manchester Institute for Psychotherapy Conference, which is going to be held in October 2017. So thank you for joining us Carrie and you're going to be presenting a workshop on accounting and I guess you're not going to be being in a calculator with you are you? No, I'm not. What I'm doing is talking about a model that I developed some years ago, which I've called the accounting model, basically because it's the opposite to discounting. It's about taking account of what's going on in the world. And I developed it when I was running groups for women who met the criteria for borderline personality disorder. I'm a specialist in that area. And I think as any therapist knows, and I think Gregor in his keynote speech is going to be talking about emotional regulation. And one of the difficulties for people who meet the criteria for borderline personality disorder is actually regulating their emotions. There's a kind of real sense of getting stuck in their feelings. And obviously in that process they switch off their thinking. There's a lot of dissociation that goes on. So what I did was brought together some key pieces of theory from transactional analysis to create this model that has helped people to really switch off the feeling and get into the thinking or at least to kind of reduce the feeling to a manageable level that they can actually switch their thinking back on and process information. Step out of game, step off the drama triangle and hopefully engage in relationships in a more fulfilling way and a much less destructive way. Does that make sense? Yes, it does. It sounds very much like the idea in transactional analysis of discounting is where you're ignoring people and not taking them seriously or discounting them. You've come to the opposite of that. You're talking about accounting and in particular helping to people to cognitively account for themselves to the point where they can manage and regulate their emotions. Absolutely. That's beautifully put. Thank you very much. And I mean, I know that we've got Camilla's model of discounting. Personally, I've always found that I've struggled with that model and I found that with people with the personality disorder that it was too complicated. I wanted something that was simplified, which is why I created this model. And I'm looking forward to presenting. I presented it at the Vern Institute and got a very good response. So I'm looking forward to actually delivering it at the conference. And as I said earlier, I think that thinking about what Gregor is presenting in the keynote speech on Saturday, on the Saturday, that it would be, I think it follows on quite nicely from that kind of talking about the emotional regulation. And there was something else that I was going to say that I can't remember what it was. Well, I for one, I'm super excited about seeing someone who's developed their own theory. This isn't just a theory that's being reinterpreted or revision. This is someone who's developed their own theory. I'm really looking forward to seeing that at the conference. And colleagues who deal with clients with borderline personality disorder. I just think this is something that cannot be missed. So I'll certainly be sat attending your conference. Well, thank you. I mean, I suppose it's just important to say it's new in the sense that it pulls together some other pieces of transactional analysis theory. I don't want people to kind of get the idea that I've created something incredibly new. But it's a way of I've pulled some other pieces together that I personally find work really well. Okay. Well, okay. Well, thank you for that clarification. For those of you watching this and thinking, well, what conference are we talking about? And where is it held? If you go into the comments bar below in that section, we'll put a link to the website and the link where you can see all the other presenters and venue and be able to book tickets to come to this just wonderful event. So Carrie White, thank you very much. Thank you.