 Israel es en un estado de guerra. Las familias son completamente abiertas en sus caballos. No tenemos ni idea de lo que nos preocupan, como los soldados están peleando en la línea de frente. Pero la percepción general es algo que también necesita ser tomado. De acción de los países hispanoparlantes. News 24, el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel. News 24, únicamente en I24 News. La IDF confirma que misiles antitank guided fueron lanzados en un hogar en la comunidad latina de Metula. No hay reportes de inmenes, pero es creado que el daño ha sido causado a dos construcciones. Esa es una responsabilidad para este ataque. Dicen que han targetado soldados que fueron dentro de un hogar en esa comunidad latina. Ahora, esta es una de esas comunidades que han sido evacuadas. Es en la distancia de 4 km de la borda norte para evitar casualidades civiles, como es posible. Pero, de nuevo, no hay reportes de inmenes siguiendo este ataque. Lebanon reporta, en el lado de Lebanese, que Israel está llevando artillerías, estrellas a través del sur de Lebanon en varias ciudades. Y eso es el frontal norte. Pero también preguntaste sobre los Jouthis. El Jouthis están doblando en sus estrellas contra cualquier pasaje libre de estrellas en el Red Sea. Realmente, tomando esto como pueden, intentando elaborar su posición geográfica. Con uno de los Jouthis, oficiales de la ciudad, Khazam al-Assad, retuidos en Hebron, como usual, diciendo que ahora que el porto Avelat ha sido decomisionado, significa que los estrellas no son más aproximando el porto del sur de Israel. El mismo debe suceder a los portos de Ashdod y Haifa. Esos son los portos mediterráneos de Israel. Así que, obviamente, es una extensión de los estrellas a través del Red Sea. Pero ahora, el Jouthis está intentando amplificar sus estrellas y estar en contra de su estrellas en el Red Sea en el pasaje libre de estrellas. Trabajados a varias frances. Gracias por ese informe. Volverán a nuestro Correspondente Middle East, Ariel Oceran, en vivo desde el norte de Israel. Y ahora, bienvenido al estudio. Dani Ayalon, el ex-Ambassador de Israel a los Estados Unidos y el ex-Deputista de Israel y el presidente de la capital de Silber Road. Major General de los Reservantes, Etan Dungart, formó secretario militar a tres ministros de defensa de Israel y formó coordinador de actividades de gobierno en las teraturas palestinianas en la IDF. Y aún así, con nosotros, nuestro correspondente, Robert Swift. Señoras y señores, gracias por estar con nosotros. Y voy a comenzar con Etan Dungart. Y lo que hemos escuchado desde mi amigo al norte de Israel, no solo son sus desarrollaciones desde el sur de Lebanon hacia Matula, pero también desde el norte de Yemen, un descanso para nosotros, los estrellas que existen en esta hora para el norte de Israel. Ok, primero de todo, sobre el descanso de Etan Dungart en el hogar de Matula, es algo que parece que se está moviendo de lo que se contiene durante la última edad, digamos, escalación, pero en un nivel bajo. Pero no es diferente de la que la persona era farmacéutica de la agricultura que llegó a Israel hace pocos días y fue asesinado y asesinado por el civil, por Hisbala también. Entonces, ¿qué significa? Básicamente, incluso lo que sucedió, creo y recuerdo, hasta ahora, Hamas es respetar, si lo puedo llamar respetar, a seguir manteniendo la escalación de nivel bajo y no romperla y expandirla, y no al descanso y no cambiando de manera. Tenemos que esperar. Seguramente, la reacción de la reacción de Israel asimilaramente es asimétrica a lo que sucedió en cada evento que Israel ha reaccionado. Simplemente, bien, pero mucho más con los tarjetos y el daño a Hisbala, según lo que se despliega entre el borde como la estructura de inteligencia de la información, etcétera, y no quiero hacerla más duro a mis palabras. Y lo que me ha despliegado más ahora es lo que está pasando con Yaman, con el Houtim, como lo describiste, con el hecho de que hay tarjetos que han cancelado el arribo a Elat o moviendo a Jucho, Suets, a Ashdod. Esto es algo que viene a los decisiones de Israel como, creo, más rápido que lo estimado, porque Israel tiene que decidir si irse sola o intentar forzar otro tipo de partnership porque es un daño no solo a Israel, es un daño a todo el mundo porque hay problemas también con el panamá, un movimiento de tarjetos, y creo que el interés de 17% de las actividades del mundo durante el canal de Suets no es un problema solo a Israel porque la mayoría de los tarjetos están parando en Elat o en Ashdod durante un rio y continuando de su manera. Así que es bajo la decisión de Israel, la decisión de la maker. Conozco con nosotros, tenemos más que discutir, solo para darles atención a la factura que estas son imágenes en vivo en tu screen ahora mismo de la stripa de Gaza. Puedes ver flores ahí, solo momentos atrás, imágenes en vivo de las stripas de Gaza, desarrollaciones en varias frances, nos vamos a despegar todos, y hablamos de Irán. Y el ministro africanista, Husein Amir Abdelahehan, compartiendo estos sentimientos que podría sorprender a muchos en la región. Vamos a escuchar, y luego me gustaría tus ideas. La única que tenemos en común entre nosotros y el régimen ocupado de Israel es que no nos creemos en la solución de dos estados porque Israel no creemos en la solución de dos estados. Como dije, hay que ser un gobierno, un sistema de regulación y de los territorios palestinianos. Hay que ser uno que es determinado de los pueblos palestinos y Israel también crea que hay que ser solo uno gobierno, uno estatuto, que es Israel, en todos los territorios palestinianos. Así que esto es la única cosa que tenemos en común durante el periodo de Trump, incluso en el tiempo de Biden, vemos que en la práctica, incluso la solución de dos estados ha sido ignorada, con esto es lo que estamos diciendo, los pueblos palestinos. Los originales, como repeats, los juzgos y los cristianos y los musulmanes, ellos themselves deberían decidir sobre el futuro. Es importante notar que esos comentarios fueron transmitidos, al menos, Dani Ayalan, tus ideas sobre lo que estamos escuchando ahí fuera de Irán, el ministro de Foreign Ministerio. Bueno, es muy generoso de él, pero no creo que esto es algo que podría ser tomado en serio, nadie está hablando de una solución de uno estados, como no puedes justificar dos diferentes entidades políticas y ponerlos juntos. No trabajó en Yugoslavia, no trabajó en ningún otro lugar en el mundo, fue solo una... una verdadera... una... más oportunidades para... para el Shad y cosas como eso. Él, lo que está haciendo, en realidad, está intentando llevar un pez. Es bastante suficientemente entre Israel y los Estados Unidos. Los Estados Unidos es una solución de dos estados, pero el gobierno israelí, en este momento, incluyendo el ministro Netanyahu, no quiere hablar de eso. Y los Estados Unidos están esperando alguna visión de Israel el día después de la guerra en Gaza. Entonces, el día después tendrán que cuidar de Lebanon, pero a veces tendrán que también hablar de la issue palestiniana. Es una gran manera en el futuro de pensar en algún tipo de gobernación por los palestinianos, pero seguramente una solución de uno estados no es en los cartas. Y no creo que nadie lo llevará en serio. Y bastante a Ron E. Grubb, cuando piensas en la forma de que Irán está actualmente cubriendo las estrellas con Gisbollah ahora mismo, con Hamas, con los Hutis también, en Yemen, y aún así, hacer un call like that, ¿tienes tus ideas? Sí, es un poco de un cartón wild que viene de ellos. Mira, yo creo que el caos, a un cierto extent, juega a su mano. Para ellos, para poner un poco más de smoc en el escenario para confusar más cosas, no es una mala cosa. Están igualmente acuerdos de la factura de que no hay unanimidad de apoyo para Israel o a las posiciones de Israel en países occidentales, más así con los públicos que además de los gobiernos, pero hay un montón de incendios contra las políticas de Israel. Y si Irán cree que puede encontrar un soft spot para aplicar presión a un problema que puede ganar, si no ganar más apoyo, y si no ganar más apoyo para Israel, esto es a su parte y, por eso, a Hamas's parte en la situación. Es cierto que complica la dinámica. De hecho, los gentlemen siguen con nosotros mucho más para discutir, pero ahora mismo, como hemos discutido durante este programa y desde que la guerra comenzó, la plaza de los hostegers ahora mismo, 137 hostegers permanecen en captivity en Gaza. Es más que 9 semanas desde que fueron abductados por los terroristas Hamas en el 7 de octubre. Qatar está pidiendo que se desbloquea un otro posible caso, pero ¿qué pasos están tomando por Rusia para asegurar el reto de estos hostegers? Bueno, Mosco, deputado ministro Mikhail Bogdanov, ha reportado con los representantes demandando el reto de los hostegers en Gaza. Esto viene un día después de Benjamin Netanyahu y Vladimir Putin han hablado en el teléfono por 50 minutos con el ministro de Israel llamando al presidente russiano por su alianza con Irán y su danza en la guerra israelí contra el Hamas. Tres hostegers escondidos por Israel y la ciudadanía russiana han sido realizadas por el grupo terrorista en gestiones de gratitud de Hamas a la líder russiana. Ahora, hace un tiempo el ministro de Israel Yoav Galant ha hecho este call a la red cross. La organización ha podido ganar acceso a todos los hostegers que han sido heldados en Gaza. Vamos a escuchar. Esta es una oportunidad para demandar de nuevo de la red cross para vivir a lo que es esperado de esto. Nos volvimos a un acuerdo de que habrá un visitante de la red cross en el lugar donde los hostegers son y yo colo a toda la organización especialmente la red cross para llevar un signo de vida de nuestros hostegers. Las mujeres, los adultos, los soldados, las mujeres deberían llegar a todos a visitar y a llevar un signo de vida. Esta es la basicidad humanitaria y la humanitaria no es solo lo que está pasando en Gaza. La humanitaria es también lo que está pasando a nuestros hostegers. Esta es tu obvio. Puedes vivir con esto. Aitán, thank God. Hemos hablado de esto muchas veces desde que la guerra ha empezado. Es una guerra que es justa, infundable. Es 9 semanas. Y ahí tienes el ministro de Defensa de Israel still calling out the Red Cross saying, do your job. Sí, y es right because this is a shame. This is an un balance situation of between looking towards Israel and looking towards the other world. There is Jewish and there is the other kind of people from all over the world. This claim should be shown and said by our leaders every day and to repeat on it and by each community all over the world and to convince more and more leaders. This should be our logo because we have to put it very clear to the mind of Hamas and the others that our hostegers is not a factor that you have to make business on it. It's a demand to return them back and we will not rest and we will not stop in order to put it in the first time that we are able to on the desk and it was under agreement that Hamas oblige to supply the names oblige to allow the Red Cross to enter together. I don't hear between just here and there some statements by Red Cross or other international organizations who are talking about this kind of demand. I hear a lot about humanitarian issue. This is the first humanitarian right of a human being that was kidnapped from his bed that his family was murdered and by the butcher and then come our reaction and we are making there is demand from Israel to release or to give humanitarian help to the Palestinians. I'm not saying no but I say if you are giving you have to get back these things and the Minister of Defense absolutely right why he demanded it's again let's say this is a passport of shame to the United Nations and its organizations. Dani Ayolon your thoughts on the Red Cross and its inability to gain access is it because of Hamas? Could Qatar have done something? Could Russia have done something? Who needs to make this happen and make it happen right now? Well I'm not sure that Russia could do anything you know they actually have been quite taken out of the picture hence I think now putting desperate attempts to be back since now the entire region is a wide open space only for the United States you know if the Russia or China thought that the US is on decline and on its way out it's just this war actually put the United States back front and center on the expense of Russia and China the only way for Russia to come back in is if they can give something valuable the most valuable thing for Israel is the release of the hostages so if Hamas can put the pressure on Qatar or direct I mean Russia if they can put direct pressure on Hamas you know remains to be seen but I don't think it's a surprise that Mikhail Bogdanov the deputy foreign minister has been talking to Hamas following the call of Putin and Netanyahu I understand that the initiative for the call was Putin's not Netanyahu's which again goes back to the fact that Russia looks at it strategically of trying to be on par with the United States and play a role the way for them you know you throw a curveball to them maybe in that respect but if they can do something vis a vis Hamas and the hostages then maybe they deserve a place at the table but otherwise nothing new and in terms of the Red Cross briefly why is it that it wasn't strictly part of that initial deal to make sure that it happened well see the Red Cross we have to understand it's a voluntarily based volunteering based organization however they don't have military power to do anything but they do have a moral authority and this is what they have not used they should have called day in and day out for at least getting the list let alone supplying them with medicine and things that they need and of course go and visit them they have not done it the first time that they really or if they call and to do that it's just too few far between and there is no real political pressure not on Hamas and not on Qatar maybe the Red Cross will succeed in another way if they succeed to release one hostages that is kept by the butcher world I mean the secretary general of the United Nations if they pay a visit to him and release him from being under the control of these nations well let's see why there isn't an outcry from the UNB the Red Cross other organizations human rights organizations so to speak as well and when you hear a story like the one you're about to hear it really does raise so many questions Israeli mother Sharon Aloni Cuneo survived 52 days as a hostage in Gaza before she and her twin daughters were released as part of a hostage deal but she fears for the life of her husband who was still being held by the terror group and her first interviews since her release the 34 year old mother from Kibbutz near Oz told Reuters about her ordeal the fact that they split up her twin daughters I'm going to say that again they split up her twin daughters keeping them apart from her for 10 days and how they were separated from her husband David before they were released from Hamas captivity let's take a listen to some of that interview sometimes when there was a power cut they let us open the door and they drew the curtain and then we had to whisper how do you retain a little girl whispering for 12 hours every moment you have to be angry at her tell her quiet, quiet don't, don't we had to tell the children that it's dangerous outside and here we're safe but with this safety comes rules we need to be quiet we must not be heard because the bad guys will come you need to make up lots of stories and behave in a way that you would never behave at home to make them keep quiet in this situation we were together almost until the end in unbearable conditions you need to knock on the door to leave to the toilet to ask for basic things my daughters were already toilet trained and I had to revert to using nappies because you knock on the door and you don't know when they'll open it they had to pee in the sink and pull in a trash bin you don't know if there will be food or not you don't know we all have so many triggers every little noise every door slam every airplane flying the girls get charged and cling on to me tantrums because they had to be so quiet for 52 days closed up in a single room this is not a normative situation for a 3 year old it means not to stay in a crowded loud place because it reminds them of it it means not knocking on doors next to me not to sleep with the door and you don't know what's next to me not to sleep with the door shut life has changed this is not life I think none of the returnees came back to being themselves as they were before October 7 on so many levels the inability to sleep the nightmares the triggers speaking quietly is just one of the habits that stuck with us 3 days before we were released they separated David from us they took him into a different hiding place and since then I don't know what is happening to him the girls are torn I'm torn he's been my partner for 10 years he's my other half and the love of my life he's the father of my girls who are asking everyday where's daddy where's daddy I need to explain to them that he is still there every minute we're waiting is like a Russian roulette will they live through the day or not and the conditions are difficult conditions that no one needs to live in especially not children or adults without medicine we saw that many have already lost their lives in captivity so each moment is critical and we need to do everything to put the aim of releasing all hostages prior to anything else unimaginable israelí mother Sharon Aloni Cunea and Dani Ayalon this is a level of cruelty that is difficult to comprehend and so as we were saying ahead of time if the Red Cross could get answers for her and tell her if her husband is alive never mind the condition that he is and when you hear these reports a woman with one twin the other twin separated from her the conditions that captivity brought for them 52 days it is unimaginable why is the world not seeing and hearing this and responding Dani Ayalon that's a good question because this is really the job of organizations human rights organizations you know there is the human rights commission in Geneva there is the child UNICEF and of course so many other UN organizations they are mum because of this international community is totally cynical it's skewed it's biased and it is controlled by what we call the Arab majority and with the Arab majority they control whatever they want and we have no chance actually to get justice and to get the basic human rights for people and this is something which I think will put a black mark on the entire international community for a long time to come Robert there are more and more examples of what we just heard now details emerging about the conditions in captivity it really is unimaginable and it's more than nine weeks now it's getting colder from what we understand food was scarce for many of them some were in tunnels some were above ground but were moved from home to home talk to us about what is known right now the kind of information that has been glean that might help in terms of locating other hostages right now so there has been information coming out from some of the hostages with regards to the conditions that they've been in the picture given is that as the war has lengthened the conditions have deteriorated this is obviously alarming because the war doesn't look like it's about to end anytime soon and there's still 137 people still to bring back with regards to specific information about locations for now we haven't heard too much of that I'm sure there are many Israelis that will hope that information is there but the Israeli military is keeping it to themselves and that this is the sort of material they're using for special forces raids we have seen some hints of these sort of operations are taking place and many Israelis will be hoping that if another ceasefire and another hostage deal can't take place that then at least the Israeli military will be able to go in using force to access the hostages that remain there And Eitan, your thoughts on exactly that the fighting continues right now we saw those live images inside the Gaza Strip just moments ago but potentially it's not clear where some of the hostages are being held at this juncture how does that impact the way the fighting unfolds in the coming hours, days and weeks First of all we have to make it clear that the release of the hostages is the urgent, the important and the duty of our country and by the IDF we're serving until now we served at the first shift of the release the pressure on Hamas must stop it and cut all its obligation towards the first agreement and here came the conclusion that we don't have any kind again, there is a wall, not a door and not a window to continue the continue of the maneuvering of the IDF also is serving to create a pressure on Hamas By the way, in my opinion due to my experience I think Danny will agree with me there are still contact between Israel the countries like Qatar and Egypt the moment that will be identify opportunity and chances to release it will be stop and I'm sure it will be stop to give this chance we every minute is a great delay for us No doubt about that gentlemen stay with us much more turn pack right now we're taking a very quick break when we get back our rolling coverage continues on this breaking news edition back in two minutes we're going to start a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well back to this breaking news edition I'm Bernice Levine it's not often in Israel that the prime minister and the military want one thing and the security cabinet decides another but that's what happened on Sunday night when Israel's security cabinet rejected a push to let Palestinian workers from the West Bank return to work inside Israel itself our senior correspondent Owen Ultiman explains in this report once upon a time in an October 6th world this was the air is crossing the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip with Palestinian traders and workers lining up to cross into Israel to do business or earn a living but this is an October 7th world and in that world the Israeli security cabinet Sunday night rejected a move to return even West Bank Palestinian workers to building sites and farms inside Israel returning Gaza workers is a non-starter the entry of workers from Judea and Samaria is exactly the continuation of the same concept that we warn against what it is when they come full of hate and motivated I'm not saying that all of them are but it's enough that 10% of them are like that for decades West Bank Palestinians have been a key part of the Israeli workforce filling jobs that Israelis don't want to do an imported workforce as in many developed countries the establishment saw this as a win-win the Israeli economy got workers it needs West Bank Palestinians earned money to support their families then came October 7th and reports that workers from inside the Gaza Strip helped the perpetrators navigate the Kibbutzim on which those workers had worked and slaughter Israelis whom those workers had known some experts still urge caution during the second defada I was in charge of Ramallah area and I said that we need to let those people that are not involved with terrorism to come and work in Israel eventually the government decided to stop my work and I think that many people were pushed into terrorism the security cabinet rejected the advice of the national security council and of prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu himself making this a striking vote of no confidence the politicians and likely the public do not trust those security services to keep out the bad guys just like they didn't on October 7th a complicated situation ¿Qué piensan sobre eso? Creo que es un problema no entre la economía sino entre la seguridad es un problema entre la seguridad y la política ¿Qué sucedió? Desde los efectos después de dos meses la cruz fue cerrada y fue el derecho de cerrarla cuando sucedió el 7 de octubre creo que ahora no es suficiente en ese caso creo que es un colegio former colegio que es el momento de abrir la puerta para categorías de trabajadores que deberían salir de la superficie intentar trabajar para hacer pilotas y ver lo que está pasando sobre esto para calcular el riesgo y reducir el riesgo porque en mi opinión los militares de personas están en la calle para tomar la decisión para ser involucrados en la violencia y en el terrorismo es el momento también para darles la oportunidad de regresar, de ganar dinero y de construir la economía mucho más controlada por los israelíos y también, no tenemos que olvidar en West Bank las autoridades palestinianas no podemos cerrar la puerta de dos lados para darles las herramientas de oportunidad financiera para mover adelante del terrorismo, la mayoría de las personas en West Bank y para hacer lo que estamos haciendo ahora cada noche, cada hora en West Bank por combinar con el terrorismo y en mi opinión con un gran suceso Gentlemen, con nosotros vamos a discutir esto en un gran detalle pero ahora, vamos a ver lo más reciente en el furore que ha Druze el 7 de octubre several hundred faculty members at Harvard University have signed a petition asking school administrators not to bend to political pressure to fire the schools president over her congressional testimony a petition was signed by atleast 570 professors and was delivered to the Harvard corporation, which has the power to fire university president La presión que viene después del presidente de la Universidad de Pennsylvania, Liz McGill, reside en sábado. El presidente de Harvard, U Penn y MIT, decían que dar un definitivo, si o no, respuesta, cuando preguntó, para que el genocidio de los jews viera sus escuelas de conducta sobre el bullying y el harassment, diciendo que tenían que balancear contra las protecciones de frío y que era el contexto dependiente. Por más información, vamos a Staf from Arrofsky, director de la Universidad de la Universidad de la Universidad de California, a escuelas de pares en el Medioast, a personas que nos venía a las calles de Philadelphia. Muchas gracias por tu tiempo. ¿Puede que ella viera o si pueda? Esta partida se pregunta la corporación de la Harvard, no para el prensado de la política. Incluyendo el prensado para remover el presidente Claudine Gay, tus pensaciones. Gracias por tu asociación. el presidente, y vemos a Liz McGill, poniendo presión en ella para finalmente tener la pena, tener la releva, que Harvard y MIT deberían seguir en la acción. Eso, por lo que se dice, hay un problema estructural que hemos visto en general en la Academia Enlarga. Y lo expuesto en estas escuelas es el rato en la Academia Enlarga. Se ve aquí el uso de lo que se conoce en los Estados Unidos de diversidad, equidad y inclusión y la teoría de racismo crítica para basicamente defender el racismo y los guás de ser racistas en el mismo tiempo. Así que los juzgos no fallan en esa categorización, que es lo que veis, este tipo de el uso semántico de lenguaje, lo que es el primer amendmento para intentar defender sus acciones por intentar decirles que están defendiendo su expresión libre mientras siendo racistas contra los juzgos. Y creo que la Academia Enlarga debe ver muy cuidadosamente en lo que están colocando ahí, lo que ha habido un racismo estructural donde los juzgos no son venidos como minoridades y el anti-semitismo no es venido como racismo. Y esa es la realidad que hemos visto jugar aquí, incluso cuando te pones actualmente los factos en el grado, especialmente en el post- octubre 7, lo que veis por causas de genocidio, por asociaciones de los juzgos, sin distinguir entre el lefto, el righto y el centro, que todavía no están capaces de estar detrás de lo que es realmente, realmente, una actividad racista under the guise of what they're trying to play out, the use of free speech. So I think that you know, if you're asking me, I think that they actually have to look very carefully at their funding, at their leadership, and to actually put, and actually stand behind what these universities are supposed to be of a liberal Western University, which actually takes these issues very carefully when it comes to discrimination against Jews. These double standards are certainly quite staggering and it's 2023. So the University of Pennsylvania confirming that Julie Platt, the chair of the Jewish Federations of North America will serve as the interim chair of the board. How does she tackle rampant anti-semitism on every level on campus, not just with students, but also administrators. Talk us through the challenges here. Well, it's more than the administration, I mean the administration and I would also argue the faculty, which we deal with all day long. The faculty are also a structural problem and I would argue that this is the argument that we've made in our organization. Faculty or forever students come and go, but there's been a structural problematic within the faculty who over the course I would say of several decades now there's been a growth of what I would call scholar activism and replacement of scholarship. And so all of these unos of protest and ascending students to pro-Palestinian rallies, going and participating, calling for the genocide and killing of Jews have all been sponsored specifically within Middle East Studies Departments and within the humanities at large. So when you're talking about an individual like Platt, who also serves as the chair of the JFNA, Jewish Federations of North America, I think that there has to be a real careful look at the composition of what the board is and the kind of what they're willing to tolerate, what they're not willing to tolerate. She also made it very clear in her statement she's also going to be the interim individual until they find somebody else. But the case study of McGill, while McGill has been resigned, she still attended faculty at the law school. So again, even within the structural understanding of the University of Pennsylvania, she's still going to be their teaching and I guarantee you that whatever they believe and say out publicly, they're also going to be teaching in their classrooms. And so that's also part of the problem itself. There has to be a larger real concrete inside look at the structure of the University who's teaching these topics, what is being taught in these classrooms, balance in the classroom, which is really a critical aspect when these issues and scholarship that needs to be looked at very carefully, not polemics, which is what you're seeing as a result of where professors and administrators have used and abused their roles. The portfolio of anti-semitism on most university campuses which have invested millions of dollars in diversity, equity under inclusion, the portfolio of anti-semitism falls in their responsibility. They wouldn't know anti-semitism if they sought. And to think these are the elite campuses in the United States, many challenges, a long road ahead for now. Thank you so much for your insights. Asaf Romerovsky, live from Philadelphia. Thank you for being on I24 News. Dani Ayalon, you know the US ought to well your take on what we just heard. Well, I think it's much bigger than the campuses. First of all, the leadership of these campuses, especially those Ivy League and those that we saw testifying, they prove themselves to be unqualified and fit to be leading any kind of institution, a list of which is an academic institution. But I think that it should be a matter of punishment and disciplinary acts. Any call for murders of Jews or genocide of Jews should be outlawed by the governments of states, by the federal government, and there should be enforcement of legislation so that you cannot just raise signs about killing Jews. Anyone who raises a sign like that should be arrested, put behind bars, get a slap, a big fine. This is the only way to stop it. There should be no tolerance to such anti-Semitic slur. And when you hear these presidents of these Ivy League institutions talking about issues being context dependent, how insulting is that right now? It is, it's pathetic. I mean, we saw them how they are really sticking to a text that was really given to them probably by some legal advisor. And here you think an academic mind, you should be inquisitive, should be free. They were not even deviating even one letter from what was given to them. They were just, you know, or what was dictated them. They were just parroting. This is not leadership. This is not academic excellence. I think all of them should be fired and or follow suit of Miss McGill. Certainly something we will be watching to see exactly how it all unfolds. Staggering in 2023. Robert Swift, you've been covering this region for a very long time. We've been seeing these anti-Israel protests in several centers since the 7th of October. Talk to us about the temperature on the ground in some of the nations that would surprise you the most, including the United States and London. The United States is probably actually the one that surprised me the most. The level that this has been an issue here. I think in general there's the assumption or the understanding that generally the public in the United States is more sympathetic towards Israel than say many European states. However, this issue, while it has been seen in other capitals, such as London, there has been large pro-Palestinian protests. There's been a lot of discussion between the government, the London police and protesters. Discussions may be not the right word. But there has been a lot of heat in that debate there too. But it's certainly in the United States where the level of discourse on the campuses has got to such a fever pitch. Robert Swift, Danny Ayalon, Eitan Dengar, thank you all so much for being here in studio. No doubt, much to unpack on this front in the coming weeks and months. Thank you very much for being here at I24 News. Now, the Nova Music Festival was just one of the locations targeted by Hamas terrorists on the 7th of October. 58 police officers died protecting party goers in the area on that day. Suggie was one of the police officers who survived after facing 14 terrorists. Our Maurel Ellen has more in this report. It's Suggie's first time back in the fighting zone of the Nova Festival since October 7. Barbara, his girlfriend, is with him. He brought her for moral support, but returning still made him uneasy. It's hard to bring a lot of memories, a lot of people that you saw and that day that are not with us today. A lot of memories. Arrived here at 6 o'clock in the morning for morning shift here in the party. A lot of young people, happy, dancing, good vibes. The stage was here in the middle. All the people you can see, the picture of the fortunately murdered was here. In the middle was the dancing area. The war room and the firefighter room and all these things was in the back of the stage. And when I arrived, we just preparing ourselves to the shift, to secure the area, to make sure everything is okay, everybody is okay. And in about 6.30, kind of, we saw a lot of rockets coming from Gaza into Israel. Immediately, police commander that was in the party told us all the officers to go inside the party and stop the music and evacuate everybody out. At first the police president asked the party goers to lie on the ground. Minutes later, they decided to evacuate them completely. As people were leaving the area, the situation was revealed to be graver than imaginable. Someone from the party ran at me with his phone in his hand and he said to me, my brother is on the line, okay? And someone shoot at him on the road, on the main road. Immediately I took his phone and I ran into the police room and I tell the police officer that was there, take the phone, speak with him. Segui, together with two other policemen, drew to the location of the shooting. One of them was Eliona Ostafenko. On the main road, only 220 yards from the party area, they encountered first signs of the tragedy that would unfold that day. We get here and over there near the sign we saw a man, just two like this with his hand and we drove to him and he says someone shoot at him and we look at his car and we see in the back door a bullet, just a hole of a bullet. He wasn't injured. The civilian told Segui he saw trucks with people holding weapons. At this moment I pulled my gun and I took him and went like off the back of the road over there and we lay on the ground. Meanwhile, Eliona and another policeman went back to the party area to report and call for reinforcements. We start to understood what's happening but we thought it's only a few ones that came here and they are still here around somewhere. The three were now driving again trying to catch up with the terrorists. Finally, they saw a car on the side of the road. In this place we saw a white van and we saw a man lying on the floor near the van and he just put his hand on his belly and he screamed. So me and Eliona went ahead of the police car and went to him and started to talk to him and when I pulled up his shirt I saw a big hole in his belly because of a bullet and I said to Eliona I start to make a pressure and I get into the van from the other side I open the door and I see a guy laying on his back with his eyes open and I check if the pulls or something like that and he didn't have anything he was murdered. While Segui and Elona tended to the wounded the third policeman drove back to fetch the medical teams. So we are here only me and Elona with no communication, no car and anything. We stay with injured people and then we saw two jeeps that came at us and they parked like 100, 150 meters from us and from each jeep we get off something like 6 or 7 terrorists each so it's like 12 or 14 14 terrorists and they just starting to shoot at us. The two were standing in an open field while outnumbered the terrorists were also better armed with rifles and RPGs Elona y Segui had their personal weapons and two magazines with 15 bullets each. Segui dragged the wounded civilian to the other side of the van and exchange of fire began as they tried to shoot back but they realized they didn't stand a chance. I tell Elona we have to run back but there is nowhere to run back here and then I see this this water pipe. Under fire they both ran as fast they shoot at us the bullets are like everywhere and then the second before they reached the water pipe Elona was hit. Exactly at this point like 1 or 2 meters from the pipe Elona said to me I'm hit and she hold her breath and she is feeling over here and I get here behind this pipe and I lie right here and my head is behind this pipe and I'm right here and with my pistol I shoot at them and they shoot at me like tons of bullets the terrorists went back to the van to make sure the two wounded civilians were dead you are complete yourself with that thought it's the only thing the only thing you think of that's it One against 14 terrorists what chance did Segui have? One of them go to their jeep and he bring an RPG and he go over his knees and he shoot the RPG on me and the RPG is exploding like 10-15 meters behind me The 14 terrorists came into Segui's direction he played dead and didn't shoot back and then I see two army chopper just getting from this way to this way above this field and the terrorists see the chopper the terrorists see the chopper and they take three RPG and they shoot on the chopper Luckily they missed but now the terrorists for some inexplicable reason go back on their jeeps and they kill the police In this moment I checked Ilona laying here and fortunately she murdered Eliona Ostefenco was killed at the age of 25 in total 58 police officers died protecting the party goers of the Nova Festival on October 7 making it the biggest tragedy in the history of Israeli police I think are just to the terrorist direction and I ran to the road and just stop stop stop Segui could still spot the terrorists on the side of the road waiting for more cars to cross he updated the soldier inside the car the two did a U turn in the intersection nearby they saw a group of 100 Nova Festival survivors he took charge and put them all in a safe room the soldier a civilian with a gun and Segui guarded the entrance of the safe room for hours until the IDF was able to extract them to a safe location Over two months have passed and these beautiful fields that on October 7 became the landscape of an unimaginable horror movie are now again peaceful thanks to the men and women who put their lives on the line to save others another unsung hero and now changing gears as we turn to the football pitch for a special match between children evacuated from the towns of Storot in the south and Keryat Shmona in the north up against a team of Israeli artists Fabio Shapiro and Emma Oliver have this story Amida Hanukkah the festival of lights a spark of happiness for the displaced Israeli communities from the south and the north the central town of Herzliya became the stage of a special game for children of Storot and Keryat Shmona both facing the effects of Israel's war with Hamas and the daily provocations from the Lebanese Hezbollah group the kids' adversaries the Israel football artists team formed by Israeli singers actors and influencers including Guy Mazig, Tomer Cohen Bard Sabari and Oshry Cohen we have the privilege to bring smiles into their faces beautiful young kids that get out of their homes and their life in a way is now stuck and if we can do that to them and if we can help in any way we are more than happy to do that I hug them, I love them and I'm happy for what we did here today Across the country the war brought up the best people can offer to the affected communities Israelis are making a big effort to provide not only food and clothes but entertainment to the thousands of displaced the biggest thing that I feel in this war is that the people of Israel come together in so many ways and for me when they ask me to come here and play I didn't even think twice I was just yeah of course let's do it in my neighborhood I live in Tel Aviv in the center of Tel Aviv there are so many people from the north and from the south and I meet them and I talk to them and I try to help as much as I can and from here I want to hug them and tell them that hopefully we'll be alright and we are here for them though it was only a friendly match the children offered a challenge to the artists the game ended up tied at 10-10 leaving both the kids and the artists excited for a rematch hopefully in better times in better times indeed and that is a wrap for this edition of our breaking news coverage I'm Benita Levine our rolling coverage continues shortly Ariel Levin Waldman is up next stay tuned thank you for watching Good evening ladies and gentlemen Israel is at war make an investment in Israel Bonds it is the most powerful and direct way to stand with Israel visit israelbonds.com and invest now Israel is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front lines we have no idea where our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well entrevistas exclusivas reportes desde la zona la reacción de los países hispanoparlantes news 24 el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel news 24 únicamente en i24 news i24 news es on-going coverage of Israel at war I'm Ariel Levin Waldman the war in the south grinds on with intensive fighting across Hamas's key stronghold city in the south hembles from firing positions built with in civilian infrastructure such as schools and health clinics and the air force says they have struck dozens of Hamas fighters in precision strikes during the fighting one intense battle cost the lives of 5 soldiers to an IED detonated inside a school bringing today's losses to 7 one of the harshest days of the IDF so far 104 IDF soldiers have fallen in battle against the enemy in Gaza since the ground operations began Israeli defense minister Yov Galant has rejected American pressure for a swift conclusion to the war saying the war will end only once the war's goals are accomplished the destruction of the Hamas terror groups military and political power and the liberation of 137 hostages abducted during Hamas's October 7th massacre and crimes against humanity Galant said that interrogations of surrendering terrorists have yielded valuable information and the Hamas's Jabalia and Sejaia battalions the last major terror forces in the north of Gaza are on the cusp of total destruction the IDF announced that the military's chief of staff and the head of the Shin Bet internal security services met inside Hanyunists to assess the situation but the enemy is not broken yet Hamas continues to bombard Israel with their rocket arsenal an early afternoon barrage into Israel's center wounded one man in the city of Galan but the war in the north is intensified the IDF hitting his Bala mortar teams amidst heavy bombardments as well as attacks from the terror groups heavy Burkan warhead launches for more on this we are now joined by our Middle East correspondent Ariel Ossaran Ariel it's good to have you with us walk us through what the latest developments are on the northern front right Ariel so about a couple hours ago multiple anti tank guided missiles fired by his Bala targeting a house in the northern border community of metula no reports of injuries there his Bala claiming to target a group of soldiers who were in that house but the IDF confirming that there were no injuries in that attack two structures two buildings were damaged in that attack now the IDF said that it had responded with artillery fire towards the source of that missile attack and on the Lebanese side reports from the past few minutes of a house struck in the south Lebanese border community that is not too far away from where metula is located on the border so that corroborates the Israeli response and obviously this comes amid also reports of potential negotiations regarding a diplomatic avenue to prevent this war in the north from escalating as well as claims and threats by IDF spokesperson this evening in his daily press conference saying that this firing from Lebanon must stop and Israel will act to make it so well thank you very much Ariel for that update from the northern front will be back with you a little later in the show for more and we are joined now in studio y esmeral former senior Stanford to the US Congress as well as a research fellow with the international institute for counter terrorism party very good to have you with us thank you we are talking about what comes after Hamas is defeated in the entirety of the Israeli defense establishment is looking north and saying hezbollah is going to the next front there's going to be a war after the war is there any world in your mind where that is to retreat beyond la tani river this is a good question can I imagine a world the answer is yes of course in the end these are organizations that respond to their leadership and their leadership responds to all kinds of considerations and if they decide that there's some total of the advantages for them to basically go it's basically 1701 this is what they're supposed to do this is the United Nations position and they are basically violating it by being beyond the le tani river so if they decide that there's some total of the considerations it's favorable for them to go there then in that imaginary hypothetical universe they might however they already said they won't do it because the people that they have south of the le tani are residents of the villages in southern Lebanon and we know those villages so they say what do you expect us to do to tell our own people to leave their homes that's how they manage to run circles around the United Nations decision they say hey yeah he is one of ours yes he is south of the le tani but that's where he lives so actually if you think about this it's pretty smart so what are we going to do then we can demand that there will be no heavy equipment from Hezbollah south of le tani river which again doesn't mean much because the heaviest equipment is the missiles and they are all in the area of the Kala Moon mountains which are way further north on the border between Syria and Lebanon that doesn't impact them that much but yeah they cannot send APCs there and they have to pull if this is what we can do then we can demand that will pull their special forces and so on from the borders I mean if they are not in their own homes I mean they are just forces that they have deployed then we can demand that they leave this is more or less what we can do there would that be enough for the Israeli public I don't know and people want to go back to the towns the border towns and if we are left with this situation where Israelis are refusing to go to the border towns and basically Hezbollah has created a like a strip inside Israel that has no Israelis in it almost without doing anything this is something I mean we will have to sit down and study how we got here because it will be amazing territorial loss we are going to continue this line of discussion in a brief moment but first I do want to bring the southern correspondent because you mentioned it yourself we saw a similar situation in the south our correspondent Pia Stekelbach is standing by in southern Israel on the Gaza border in that general area can you walk us through the latest developments we have seen in the war in Gaza today real fighting is currently ongoing in different areas of the Gaza strip in the south the fighting of course is focusing on Khan Yunus this is where the ground operation is currently advancing only a couple of hours ago the Israeli military published that today the IDF chief of staff met there with the chief of the Shin Bet the Israeli internal security agency Ronan Barr they met in Khan Yunus and discussed the advance of the ground operation they are saying that the continuous operation the continuous presence of the IDF troops on the ground and the fighting would pressure the Hamas personnel that is still there on the ground to surrender eventually the south is where the Israeli security establishment estimates that senior Hamas leaders including possibly Yahya Sinwar the Hamas leader in Gaza to hide out in those tunnels but this is also where they estimate those more than 130 hostages to be located so the challenge of this operation in the south is really to localize Hamas infrastructure to extract the hostages and to in the end dismantle this infrastructure speaking about urban warfare speaking about a very densely populated area there are still lots of civilians in that area and only this morning the IDF published the message that yesterday six soldiers were killed exactly in that wider area of Khan Yunus when they were met with explosives that were embedded in the area of a school there another really example of how difficult the operations there are but the Israeli army is confident to continue as it is pushing further down to the south we also do know that fighting is continuing in the central part of the Gaza Strip in the Gaza City neighborhood of Shuzhaiya and of course in the north the IDF is saying that it has at least operational control in the north but now the goal is to dismantle and eliminate the remaining infrastructure there what we've been witnessing all throughout the evening is the Israeli artillery outgoing there and also the operations of the engineering course operating in the northern part of the Gaza Strip dismantling the tunnel shafts dismantling weapon depots just about half an hour ago we could hear a major boom that was heard in many several communities here around the border and this is what we estimate one of those bombs possibly that is aimed at destroying those tunnels there this is incredibly loud but this is also these are very very complicated operations that do demand a lot of manpower there on the ground and a lot of expertise that you can gain once you as I said have operational control in an area well thank you very much Pia for that report from the front and for our audience though we are going to look a little further at urban warfare in Gaza dangerous and very difficult task for the soldiers but the IDF is seeing results entire Hamas battalions either killed or caught and the IDF is hoping to see similar results further south as the ground operation continues our senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regev brings us the following house to house alleyway to alleyway this is what urban warfare in the dense Gaza neighborhoods looks like while the IDF forces are massive but exposed the small Hamas squads much more familiar with the narrow streets appear from the tunnels for just a few seconds they hope to score with an explosive device or an anti-tank missile the IDF's aim is to hit them from the ground or from the air before they do it hundreds of terrorists have been killed just in the past few days hundreds more understand this will be their fate if they continue fighting and choose instead to surrender among them some top officials a group of crazy people led by Yaya Sinwar destroyed everything they destroyed the Gaza strip and took it 200 years backwards Hamas itself may be trying to portray images of resilience in Gaza but the former minister is telling a different story Hamas the Qasam Brigades and especially Yaya Sinwar are responsible for the situation this is my opinion but also the opinion of the people they are saying that Sinwar and his people destroyed us and we have to get rid of them the images of surrender are coming from the north of the strip the hope is to see them soon in the south that is why the IDF is pushing forward towards Chanyunes in order to keep this going supplies are constantly provided to the forces for those deep inside they come from the air the 98th division is operating in Chanyunes we keep providing them in every way possible together with the air force and the technological and logistical unit we provide them with all types of supplies from the air our division is able to do that even when there is no way to reach our commando fighters by land the constant logistical assistance along with the massive fire power should eventually lead to victory in Chanyunes as well and we return to the studio with Dr. Fadi Ismail who is still with us I want to discuss more about what we are seeing en Gaza el Jabali y el Sejaí son casi destruidos con ellos fuera de la cara significa que la guerra en el norte de Gaza será efectivamente suave? No, Hamas tiene una batalla de 18 en una de las batallas si no lo han hecho algo junto a esas también casi destruidos no significa que no existen anymore porque si tienen unos 100 si tienen unos 30 o 40 puede causar mucho daño hablando de esto no es una gran armada hablamos de muy pequeños espacios muy pequeños espacios incluso un solo fighter puede causar mucho daño a una fuerza superior eso es obvio, depende de lo que están y de la posición lo que tipo de munición lo hemos visto en Lebanon en 2006 fue a veces un solo fighter managed to mess with the entire companies because of the place where they were the way they were hidden and looking at the weaponry they had so I wouldn't want to go into that mindset this is a dangerous thing to think this is exactly how you fail you start thinking it's over and that's when you are most vulnerable so somebody would ask me do you mean you have to get to the very last one of them in a sense yes not necessarily kill them but neutralize they can surrender and they are out of the fight that's part of it but the thing is I'm worried that with the successes so far it doesn't look like it's happening but people might feel too confident and that's when mistakes happen people might not pay attention to roadside bombs may not pay attention to tripwires may not pay attention to certain windows not covering the six the back it can happen because in the end these are infantry soldiers they become tired they become lack focus they become hungry it's just so much sensory overload so I don't like maybe this is it's not a pessimism it's the experience part in me I used to be one of those guys I know how easy it is to come exhausted so no we are far from done we need full focus now exactly the way we had two months ago the one time when I can tell you we're done is when really every one of them will stand up and say it's done either the line injure the dead or they surrender this is the only moment but when you still have 10-12 battalions active and hidden underground no we're far from there this is why we can't this is why the Israeli government cannot promise President Biden that by the end of 2023 it will stop it's just not doable how can you promise something like that you have to understand we started with about 30-40,000 fighters most of them are underground still and they are taking most of the food that comes into Gaza they take most of the water they steal most of the of the fuel so they are taking care of themselves so it means that every time we send more stuff in the chances that they are buying for themselves a few more weeks so this is something we have to think about I get very nervous when people talk about are we done, no we not stay focused and now pay attention again out of experience and I've seen how a sense of confidence can bring it down what you're describing is in many ways identical to what coalition forces faced in Iraq after the destruction of Saddam Hussein's army the insurgency phase of the war was where American soldiers took most of their casualties ultimately does Israel have a strategy for fighting against the insurgency after the fight against well, the war itself Israel has no strategy it was a surprise attack shouldn't have been, but that's all the discussion and we'll have this discussion at length when the time comes how come it was a surprise but effectively it was a surprise attack so everything we see now is still a reaction yes Israel has taken the initiative militarily speaking all this true but still the thought is still being organized right now let's say that we managed somehow to break the command structure Iraq was a demonstration because in Iraq we actually disbanded the army effectively disbanded the army and the army responded and that was an army here you have basically a paramilitary force more similar to a well organized militia it's not really an army so you can't really disband it so they would become a few gangs like Mad Max style gangs running around a place and shooting anything that would be a mess that would be a real mess it would be like just going one by one fighting finding a way to, and I'm not sure there is an easy way to make it worth their while to stop fighting what we're seeing from many of them they already stopped fighting because in the end we have to calculate the advantages versus the disadvantages of doing this not everybody who joined Hamas as a soldier did it really because of very much patriotism sometimes it's just a paycheck remember it's Gaza they have no jobs there most of the youngsters there have nothing to they have no jobs even if they have degrees so you can imagine so once all of this dries up I would imagine that many of them would just stop showing up to work there would be some hardcore types that probably will keep on fighting for a while another difference from Iraq in Iraq there was an external force that funded the insurgency the insurgency was not simply a spontaneous national uprising of the people it was funded it was organized by outside forces number one Iran but others as well who wanted to see the US failing there even at the time we suspected Moscow for some of them so it's different I'm not sure that here they will have the same exact kind of support especially that Israel can really control so well as it has been doing now where will they get some point weapons go bad ammunition runs out food runs out, water runs out where are they going to get all the the stuff that they need it's not Iraq there are similarities but we also have to remember the dissimilarities and the very significant here this is why I do not think we'll see an Iraq-style insurgency what we can see though even if Hamas technically is broken which means basically to me it's not killing 40,000 fighters to me it means breaking the command structure breaking the leadership it's a few hundred people these are this bad that we've done because they've just become headless soldiers let's not forget Hamas he's not the only organization there this is something that people don't talk enough about and it's not only the Palestinian Islamic the PAJ the other organizations as well they exist there once you create that vacuum then what? then you have tens of thousands of soldiers ready to fill we want to join someone now this is why we talk about the Palestinian authorities why don't they join back into the Israel's policy of separating the West Bank so somebody has to think about the answer here and we can talk about that, the options for the day after well we're actually going to take a little bit of a look at the West Bank briefly because one of our reporters has taken a look at yet another security challenge facing issue in Israel the prime minister and the military want one thing and the security cabinet deciding another that's exactly what happened last night when the security cabinet rejected a push to let Palestinian workers from the West Bank return to work inside Israel senior correspondent Owen Ultriman explains just what happened here once upon a time in an October 6th world this was the heiress crossing the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip with Palestinian traders and workers lining up to cross into Israel to do business or earn a living but this is an October 7th world and in that world the Israeli security cabinet Sunday night rejected a move to return even West Bank Palestinian workers to building sites and farms inside Israel returning Gaza workers is a non-starter the entry of workers from Judea and Samaria is exactly the continuation of the same concept that we warn against we know what it is when they come full of hate and motivated I'm not saying that all of them are but it's enough that 10% of them are like that for decades West Bank Palestinians have been a key part of the Israeli workforce filling jobs that Israelis don't want to do an imported workforce as in many developed countries the establishment saw this as a win-win the Israeli economy got workers it needs West Bank Palestinians earned money to support their families then came October 7th and reports that workers from inside the Gaza Strip helped the perpetrators navigate the Kibbutz team on which those workers had worked and slaughter Israelis whom those workers had known some experts still urge caution the security cabinet rejected the advice of the national security council and of prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu himself making this a striking vote of no confidence the politicians and likely the public do not trust those security services to keep out the bad guys just like they didn't on October 7th because the Israeli government says it doesn't matter if the Palestinian Authority is not technically Hamas or anything the people that live in the West Bank are still a major security threat to Israel as well yeah and that's part of the impossible conundrum believe me I don't envy the decision makers right now I've heard or seen a conversation with a few hours ago with a leading real estate developer in the north one of the biggest in the country and the whole construction business came into a screeching halt nothing is being built and it's not only homes, people forget everything needs to be built businesses needs to be built farms needs to be built roads needs to be built everything stopped completely that's it because these construction companies will start fighting for bankruptcy soon especially is that we have such a high level of interest rate right now so there's only so much you can keep on going without having like the contracts stop paying now the employees are almost all of them are from the West Bank some from Gaza what do you do there was talk about importing employees from India and places like that well why would any Indian sane Indian want to come to a country in war from any country really why would they want to do this especially that we've seen what those marauders from Hamas did to those four Thai employees we've seen how they treated them those pictures that were seen all over the world so people are not stupid they're not just going to come to a place like this where this can happen to them so what do you do now we are the place we can talk more about this later but there's so much to say about this the economic effects of this war are just keep on getting more complicated and we'll see more of it it's an entire country, an entire society it's been overturned Friday we're going to discuss this and so much more after a short break how would you go on a three minute break when we get back we have this topic as well as so many others to discuss so stay with us, we'll be right back Israel is in a state of war families completely gun down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well a acontecimientos de la guerra espadas de hierro entrevistas exclusivas, reportes desde la zona de guerra la reacción de los países hispanoparlantes News 24, el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel News 24, únicamente en I24 News Thank you very much for staying with us Israel's focus right now remains on Hamas and the war in Gaza but Israel's leaders are quite cognizant that remains to the north of the country from Hezbollah and the possibility that once the fighting in Gaza ends the war can continue in another form with more on this here's our correspondent Robert Swift Throughout Israel's war in Gaza its military has kept one eye firmly fixed to the north with the status quo shattered Israel has indicated that it will not return to the security situation that existed prior to October 7th it fears that Hezbollah more powerful than Hamas could repeat the tactics used on that day UN Resolution 1701 states that Hezbollah should contain its forces north of the Letani river a declaration that's been ignored for years but is now a priority for Israel in light of the daily skirmishing on the Lebanese border Israeli leaders have not ruled out using military force inside Lebanon to secure the north and the communities there the situation in the north needs to be changed it will change when the day comes we will have to act it could happen after the Gaza operation you never know how long the Gaza operation will take but we will need to bring the people back so that they will not be displaced in their country they must be assured that the situation in the north is different and reports in the Hezbollah al-Aqbar dijo que unifil peacekeepers pasaron el mensaje a las partidas de Lebanese Israel considera todo lo que se mueve en la borda con Lebanon a un largo de tres kilómetros si civil o militar un objetivo legítimo para sus fuerzas a lo que Hezbollah oficial dijo que se responden bien Israel es un diplomático para curtir sus operaciones militarias en el nuevo año pero la posibilidad existe que en realidad se expandirá y estamos todavía en el estudio con Dr. Fadi Ismail former senior de la U.S. Congress para el Instituto Internacional y nuestro correspondiente Robert Swift Robert, quiero abrirle a ti porque fue tu reportaje quieres discutir más todo el mundo está hablando de la guerra con Hezbollah pero Hezbollah siempre es conocido como un estrés pero es un estrés que Israel es realizing might be inevitable war to deal with walk us through what the options really are here So Israel is a little bit in a catch 22 after seeing what happened October 7th it doesn't feel that it can have a force like Hezbollah on its northern border and just sleep it can essentially escalate the fighting which has taken place since about the second day of the war there's basically been daily skirmishes taking place on the border but there's not been maneuvering there's not been troops moving vis-à-vis each other it's just been taking shots at each other if Israel were to escalate things sending ground forces that is an option that it has it could it would likely be let's say it clearly outguns Hezbollah however there's a few caveats to that number one it would be fighting Hezbollah on that group's territory which is to their advantage and number two Hezbollah are notorious for the size of their rocket arsenal rockets and missiles so the level of artillery that they could fire towards Israeli cities would make what Hamas have been doing it would be much more significant than this and then you finally got the diplomatic angle the US from the very early days of this war has been telling Israel that it doesn't want Israel to escalate things in the north it wants to keep this conflict from spilling into a regional conflict can Israel persuade the United States that it needs to and it should conduct this expanded operation or can it afford to place this alone if the United States were to isolate Israel if it were to cross that threshold would Israel still do it it's a huge challenge for Israel because Israel is relying very heavily on the United States for supplying arms as well as diplomatic support at the UN I want to turn to you Fatih on this one because in Israel's previous engagements with Hezbollah on the ground Lebanon 1 Lebanon 2 the ratio of Israeli deaths and combat Hezbollah deaths and combat Israel as we're seeing in the conflict in Gaza the losses in any protracted fight against Hezbollah will be incredible if things continue as we saw in the past does Israel have any good plan for dealing with Hezbollah if I'm Prime Minister I buy I would buy my time find a way to calm the war that we have now and start doing the following first of all we have to understand what we're in right now did not rise in one day there were many many mistakes many wrong assumptions that we operated under and it took years for us to be here once you understand that also the style of solution becomes much clearer we will not solve the problems now this is something we have to accept because we have in a way maneuver ourselves into here I'm trying not to point the fingers because it's not one person it's an establishment what would I do first of all remember the head of the snake is in Tehran I need to make it really not worth the while to use this tool against us there are many things that can be done there and if you go even higher to what this whole war is about it's not really a war between Israel and Hamas yeah it is but there's also a dimension what Hamas did did not attack Israel they attacked a very important process of Raph Oshmo between Israel and Saudi Arabia which would have completed an international plan to create an axis anywhere from India all the way to northern america that was the plan it was on its way to happen there's a counter axis to that that doesn't like that plan so if you start thinking about what we do with the other axis in a way that will influence Iran to not activate Hezbollah that's on the geo-strategic level there's so much to be said about this so many things we can do beginning with ending the war in Ukraine and getting Russia out of this dependency on Iranian hardware things would change immediately all of a sudden the behavior in Syria changes and then the Iranians access to Lebanon and so on that's on that level on a different level rebuild the army for three decades we have been cutting down the IDF today's IDF is not what it used to be in my time it's definitely what it used to be 20 years before I served it needs to be rebuilt not only technology not only big fancy stuff tanks, infantry, special forces this will take a few years but we have to do it we have to go back to those formations it costs, fine that means you need to rebuild Israeli economy stop with things and legislation that weaken the economy and strengthen it again lower taxes, all these things built the economy so you can carry this new army because from here to the next 5, 6, 7 years the IDF has to change its face in size as well as in capabilities anti-missile defense we have some new stuff coming up all kinds of laser weaponry and stuff like that it can be very useful almost complete we have done the first field experiment in this war, proved itself ok, once we build this whole array then the war with Hezbollah will look completely different so the question, the play here the game here is on time but if we do this in a few years we'll kill this whole stash of the built can become almost meaningless but we need a time this can has been kicked down the road sorry for the cliche but that's what we did one government being busy with nonsense rather than like hey, we changed 4 or 5 governments in 3 years that's stupid we can't do these things anymore we need stable governments, I don't care who and start rebuilding this process so I gave a different directions but there is a lot to be done if we are to be serious because the mistakes that led us to this corner that we are in right now have been building up over decades now we understand that now we need somebody with some guts to give those orders and start moving but there's another challenge in this as well and that's because is time in our favor or in the enemy's favor just look at one of the other arenas that we are dealing with right now and that is of course the Houtis in Yemen we are seeing these attacks on international shipping now threatening to attack any ship heading towards Israel and completely cut off the straits there and access to the entire Red Sea this is a threat that is extremely existential for everyone in the region and the world and it's a threat right now you asked two fantastic questions I'll start with the second one the story of the Houtis is not Israel's problem the most loser economically speaking is Egypt by the way because of the reduction in the passages of ships they passed through the Suez Canal that means there's less hard currency going into Egyptian coffers than what it was before so there are many and the same goes for other countries so we have to frame it as the world's problem it is not Israel's problem because the world can't put up with this especially after corona and the world in Ukraine the world can't do this we live in a just in time economy that has been already streaking several times the world needs to deal with this there are other navies it doesn't have to be the Israeli navy which is pretty small each of it has a huge navy Turkey does, the US everybody should deal with this China has a couple of flotillas already they need to take care of this, not us the problem is for the world the world frames it as their own problem this issue will be fixed very quickly now to your first question it's time working on your behalf well that's the smart of the general time is a resource like anything else you use it correctly it will be in your favor use it incorrectly it will be against you it's a question of how well you lead, you plan you lead as time passes by no it's not an answer but it is an answer because it depends on the policies some policies will mean that you will lose and some policies mean that you will gain it's we need the whole hour to talk about this but I think I've given enough to show that there's so much to be done and in a rational intelligent way that can really turn things around but it takes time speaking of taking time, we're going to change arenas now to the United States what they actually believe that's what's in the United States a political firestorm is continuing to burn after the heads of America's most prestigious universities refused to take clear and concise action against calls for the genocide of Jews on their campuses University of Pennsylvania, former president Liz McGill has already stepped down and now Harvard's Claudine Gay is in the sights of the board of directors after a meeting on Sunday Republican representative Elise Stefanik said one down, two to go and along the group of 71 bipartisan lawmakers sent a letter to the governing boards of Harvard, Penn and MIT urging them to remove their university leaders, some major donors are also aiming to remove Gay as well and and as you just saw there in recent weeks massive pro-Hamas demonstrations have ignited across American universities in many of them clear calls for genocide with protesters chanting Gay as the Jews, that was at Penn State and there is only one solution also at Penn State, a reference to Hitler's final solution and the same universities that have spearheaded heavy handed anti-racism policies that expel students for far lesser infractions have remained silent against this blatant hatred of Jews well now joining us is Gerard Filiti, senior counsel of the law fair project Gerard thank you very much for being with us, you are a lawyer with a law fair project so you have a good idea of what weapons are available to fight back against this sort of well insanity that's spreading like wildfire on these campuses, walk us through what those options are well first of all thank you so much for having me there are a variety of options starting with political pressure which we saw last week in the hearings the hearings are basically a very good tool to expose the full nature of the problem but also to highlight that these administrations these colleges and many more have failed to do anything about anti-Semitism the next powerful tool is the legal system itself filing lawsuits, filing complaints helping Jewish students enforce their civil rights protections because ultimately what we're seeing is a violation of the civil rights of Jewish students and faculty on college campuses they're not being respected they're not being taken seriously these administrators are so quick to jump to help other minority groups but do nothing for Jewish students finally we have grassroots activism such as with the anti-Jewg civil rights movement people actually getting together to sell letters, email get together in protests, have solidarity rallies to support students and again to force pressure to force change on the part of these schools Now Gerard, I'll have to ask which side is going to win this battle because on one hand you saw these campus administrators saying this is a free speech issue that can't get involved you've all seen the american administrations in the passed under the Obama administration invoking civil rights laws to go after universities funding if they believe that discrimination on campus was creating a chillin effect on the civil rights of the students which side is stronger here? well the side that is stronger is the side of the right and the side of the right is the right thing to do is to impose consequences on Jew Have geht we're not talking about speech we'r talking about conduct en el caso de la violación de los derechos civiles, eso es la acción que es más que solo palabras, y eso es lo que es punishable, eso es lo que impone consecuencias. Cuando te arrasca, intimidate, arrasca a los estudiantes, eso no es solo palabras, es no una disculpa académica. Esto es una acción que requiere consecuencias. Si eso es el caso, ¿dónde no falla el perviu de la investigación de los policías criminales, no es una acción, no es una acción, no es una acción, no es una acción, no es una acción, no es una acción, no es una acción, y ¿no es una瓜da, no es un entente? photo? Documentar y benefited de los Fehler deportistas. Están interesos y simplemente compromisos, esulationos y ahora a cambio, act write what broma hay la n launching la n inferencia, las personas que engañan este conducto a nuestros campesinos. Después de eso, es un tema de si se aconseja a la nivel de un crimen que debería ser prosecutado o si es una mattera administrativa. Pero el primer paso es obtener estos juzgadores que traen intimidación y asesoramiento con ellos para dejar los campesinos de la escuela. Gerard, cuando hablamos de las táticas que mencionaste, las herramientas que mencionaste, estas son muy buenas herramientas para ir después de los establecimientos, para ir después de las instituciones y la figura de los campesinos de la escuela. Pero si miramos a la polemía de los estudiantes, esta asesoridad viene a un nivel de grasa de ruta. Se viene desde el fondo y, incluso si vas después de las personas de la nivel superior, ¿cómo vas a hacer el caso de que estos mobs anguíos se forman espontáneosamente? Bueno, me gustaría decir que, mientras parece que se forman espontáneosamente, esto es todo directo desde el top. Esto es parte del resultado de una influencia que viene a la academia. Es parte del resultado de los profesores que han sido espontáneos, anti-Jewish y anti-Israelíos por décadas. No es solo el fondo de las grasa de ruta, son estudiantes que se han influenciado por esto, son estudiantes que se han rechazado para creer en estas cosas asombradas que se han convertido en acción. Así que, necesitamos cortar la cabeza de la ruta efectivamente, es para hacer el problema a nivel de la academia. ¿Cuáles son los profesores que influencian a estos estudiantes? ¿Dónde están los fundos para sus departamentos? ¿Por qué la escuela no está haciendo nada sobre eso? Las grasa de ruta pueden reeducar, pueden educar a estudiantes de la ruta de ruta. Pueden educar a estudiantes de anti-zionismo y anti-semitismo. Pero, últimamente, son los conocidos, los que son responsables de inculcarte esta actitud de violencia. Ellos tienen que ser suministrosos también. Gerard, una de las cosas que hemos visto durante el pasado década o así es cómo los radicales han llegado a estas posiciones. They used something called power mapping. They found an institution who has power over the institution to remove threats to their power and put their own people in place. Is there a way for the right side here to create a similar form of power mapping and figure out where the most effective domino is to knock out are? There is, and I think that's what a lot of groups are doing. We're doing that at the law fair project and no Congress is working on this as well. It's identifying in part where the money is coming from for all these activities. Who is funding within our lifetime Palestine? Who is funding SJP? Where are the funding for these university chairs coming from? Is it foreign funding? Is it terrorist funding? We need to find the answers to those questions and that's how we do the mapping. Well, thank you very much Gerard for breaking down how this fight is going to have to be fought. It's a very complicated one ahead because you're not simply going after people, you're going after ideology and all of its foot soldiers taking on the idea. Not going to be as easy as going after the administrators that spread it. With that said though, we are going to look at more local events now with the return of hostages from Hamas's captivity. Some families of the hostages who are still there have received a first sign of life from their loved ones. The information that provided a drop of certainty in a sea of doubt and fear also emphasized how critical their situation is and how acute the struggle to bring them back home is. More in this report. ¡Cubar, 65 años! It's been 65 days since Yoni's daughter, Naama, was kidnapped to Gaza. The chilling video of her abduction has become a symbol of cruelty and harm to young women and the danger they are in. When the children began to return from captivity, some of the girls returned with braids in their hair, braids that Naama's parents know closely. Maybe it's stories we tell ourselves. Naama did a lot of triathlons in her youth and this is exactly the way they used to do these braids. Imaginando her sitting and doing braids for a little girl she took care of is something that could actually sound normal. ¡Sí! Yes, it certainly warms the heart, but for a relatively limited time. Since then, a real sign of life has arrived. Abductiz, who saw Naama and were with her before they were released, called Yoni and said they had met her. She is injured. El primer sentimiento es que hay air. Puedes respirar de nuevo, pero se ha quedado un par de horas hasta que la evidencia se vio. Naama es de 19 años, ella es una chica. Ella tiene un poco de chicas con ella, chicas jóvenes. Todos entendemos su vulnerabilidad, el potenciamiento que puede ser hecho a ellos y el sentimiento que los que están viajando la guerra no pueden confiar en ellos. Ellos son los únicos que podemos poner nuestra confianza pero, sin embargo, no les da el sentido más básico de la seguridad. Esto realmente causa el sentimiento de ser doblado y doblado. Recibimos un call de alguien que ha estado conmigo y le daba mi número. Dicen que esto es el número. Puedes llamarlo y decirle que estoy vivo y que debería hacer todo lo posible para que me salga. La última vez que escuché de él fue cuando él y su madre hid en el desplazamiento en un desplazamiento bajo las blanquinas y su padre le dejó y nunca regresó. Después de un par de días, encontró sus padres y murió y E.T.I. fue asesinado. En el mensaje que convirtió a ella a través de las abductizas, se entendió por la primera vez lo que sucedió ese día. Desde el que E.T.I. le contó los asesinos que estaban con él. En octubre 7, estaban en el desplazamiento, se cubrieron con las blanquinas y el terror empezó a disparar a ellos. Mi madre se asesinó y probablemente murió. Espero que ella muriera rápido y no se asesinó, pero E.T.I. already knew she was dead. Se parece que él se asesinó y él probablemente estuvo en el desplazamiento según lo que se entendió y entonces se le retiró. Y así es por eso que digo que él estaba en la fe de la muerte desde el momento en que él se asesinó y él no murió. Miraculadamente, él no murió. Desde entonces, él estaba en la fe de la muerte hasta el momento en que él se asesinó. Cuando él recibe el signo de la vida, ¿debería dar esperanza o hacer el oposito? Hay este tipo de desplazamiento para un momento en el que él está vivo. Pero entonces, también entiendo que él está en el peor mental y el estado emocional. El peor que nunca podía imaginar. Y más que eso, porque hasta entonces no podía imaginar nada. Yo no me permitía imaginar donde él estaba y ahora de repente se ha convertido en tangible. Yo estaba contado que él estaba muy, muy fearful y que él estaba muy miedo. He escuchado que, de las palabras que dijo a ellos, de las conversaciones que fueron heldas, que esto no es el italiano. Tienes que entender que, incluso si el regreso se retorna, según las listas en el momento, el italiano no será el primero que regresa. Primero, no estoy preparada para aceptarlo. Es muy fácil hacer categorías. Pero no, hay gente ahí, esperando a ser tirados y cada momento que se pasa, ellos están en peligro. ¿Crees que el chico se siente también? Sí. Sí, él también se siente. Desde aquel frío, cuando el desplazamiento ha terminado y la pelea ha resumido, la atmósfera ha cambiado. El mismo espacio de respiración que regresó por un momento le daba un gran preocupante a Nama y Itai y a otros hostigios y el entendimiento de que no hay tiempo. Soy el padre de quien su hija ha sido en la calma por 61 días y mi sentimiento como padre de una niña es que no puedo ayudarla. No puedo salvarla. No puedo ayudarla. ¿Crees que el chico se siente? ¿Crees que el chico se siente? ¿Crees que él se siente? Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. A state of war, families completely gun down in their beds. We have no idea where we see as our soldiers are fighting on the front line. But the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well. Thanks for staying with us. The war in the south is grinding on intensive fighting across Hanyunist and so far 104 soldiers have fallen in battle against the enemy in Gaza since operations began. The defense minister at UF Galan said Hamas's last major terror forces in the north of Gaza are now on the cusp of total destruction. But that war is far from over and the fate of Israel's hostages still hangs in the balance. To break this down more, we are still in studio with Dr. Fadi Ismail, former senior staff to U.S. Congress as well as a research fellow with the International Institute for Counterterrorism. Fadi, I want to discuss the hostage situation. There are still 137 hostages left by Hamas. The military seems hopeful that as operations continue, they can force Hamas to negotiate, trading hostages for more time to preserve their own lives. Is this another realistic one given that we've already seen Hamas make unrealistic demands and Israel's already said there will not be any more negotiations until after the war. To answer your question directly, yes, of course it's realistic because if there's a meeting of interest at some point, which can happen, it will happen. The question is, will there be such a meeting of interest, such an intersection of interest? Could happen. I can see that maybe in some complex, some areas, the idea will see that pushing forward will cost way too many lives. On the other hand, Hamas will be really in a bad situation there. So it might work for both sides to do such an exchange to lift some of the pressures from both sides. Something tactical can happen in passing that will make it worthwhile for both sides. So the short answer to your question, yes, of course it can happen. And it could happen tonight, tomorrow. I mean, why not really? In principle, Hamas is under huge pressure and it's conceivable that they will be willing to do that and it could also be a case that IDF decide, hey, we don't really have to risk so many soldiers in a certain neighborhood, certain building if we can do something there. Why not? Yeah, I see it. The fact that all this grandstanding I never buy into it of any, that's for the media, for internal, for public consumption. Once the door is closed and there are no cameras in the room, people change their tone so that's the way it is. We're going to look at another party that has some interest in the hostitution. Thank you very much, Fadi, for helping us understand so many issues at play here. But this other party is of course Russia, Russian deputy foreign minister, Mikhail Bogdanov, demanding the release of hostages held in Gaza in telephone calls on Sunday and Monday with Hamas and other Palestinian factions. This is all coming from Russia's foreign ministry. This statement did not make clear all hostages or just Russian nationals from among them. But Russia has maintained a very clear anti-Israel stance on the war, calling it collective punishment and indiscriminate shelling. Analysts say the Gaza war has only helped Russia taking world attention away from the war in Ukraine. We are now joined by John Hardy, the director of the Russia program at the foundation for the defense of democracy. John, it's good to have you with us. Let's talk about what Russia's interest in this conflict has been and what they're gaining from it. Sure. Well, thanks for having me on. I think overall it's important to remember that Russia is a fairly marginal player in this conflict. It's ability to influence events on the ground and the thinking of the various players involved is fairly limited. But it has gained a lot from the conflict. As you mentioned, it's distracted global tension from Russia's own war in Ukraine. It allows Moscow to present itself as kind of a more responsible party and curry favor with some capitals that support the Palestinians against Israel. I think another important element is Russia's burgeoning relationship with Iran. I wouldn't go so far as to say Moscow and Tehran are really allies, but certainly they're both investing in that partnership and that could be one reason why Russia's response to the current Gaza war has been a really more pro-Palestinian in contrast to its traditional attempts to kind of keep good relations with Israel. John, do you see a good or simple way to break the connection between Russia and Iran given how much damage Iran has done to the region here? No, unfortunately I don't. I think in Moscow the war in Ukraine is really all-consuming. And that affects how Moscow looks as relationships with different countries including in the Middle East. So the priorities is getting drones, it's getting artillery ammunition, other material from Iran. If Iran can provide that, Tehran gains some kind of bargaining power vis-a-vis Moscow. I think the one check really could be Moscow does want to maintain good relations with the Gulf Arab countries and even with Israel despite its kind of velacos rhetoric. So I don't think the Russians want to go all in with Iran so to speak. So to an extent the Gulf countries, Israel others might be able to kind of lobby Moscow not to say sell Su-35 of fighter jets to Iran. You mentioned that Russia is a minor player in this specific conflict. That said, Russia has always historically been a major influence in the Middle East particularly with Israel's enemies. Are they only marginalized as long as the war in Ukraine is taking all of their attention and their resources and most importantly their weapons systems from the region? Or are they going to be back in force? Sure. So obviously Russia does have some military presence in the region most notably in Syria and its bases there. But it's really kind of an economy of force operation. I don't think they have the appetite or capability for anything like U.S. style military presence in the region. But there are a lot of ways they can influence events or at least create the appearance of influence on the cheap. This reported deal to send a pan seer air defense system to Hezbollah through the Wagner group is one example. I don't think that pan seer will make a huge difference for Hezbollah or for Israeli air operations but it's a way Moscow can kind of get itself in the headlines and kind of remind regional players that hey, we're here too. Let's talk about what relation Russia and Hamas seem to have. So obviously they've had ties going back to the 2000s. I think originally funnily enough the Russians saw potential relations with Hamas as a way to sort of be of use to the West obviously as Russia's own relationship with the West has deteriorated. I think the Russians still see that relationship with Hamas as leverage but maybe in a more nefarious way leverage against the West, right? So overall obviously the Russians hosted a Hamas delegation since the war began. I still see these ties as relatively modest at least to my knowledge the Russians have not been providing military weapons directly to Hamas. If that were to change obviously I think we'd be in a kind of a different ball game in terms of their relations and their relations and Russia's impact on the conflict. John, with everything we're seeing in the region is there a strain of thought in Russia's leadership that perhaps Hamas is not so much an asset against the West as it is too volatile to be an asset to anybody. It could be a liability to Russia as well. That's a great question. I think in Syria the Russians probably saw that on the one hand these groups Iran backed groups can be difficult to control and I think the Russians know that ultimately these groups are not going to answer to Russia they're not going to be a Russian proxy so you have to be careful when you're investing in these groups that means I think Russia in general as I touched on before likes a strategy where there's minimal investment and high reward so I mentioned the pan seer to Hezbollah no, that's a great example where you're not doing much you can get a good bit of reward in terms of political rewards in terms of just making your presence felt in terms of media attention but it doesn't necessarily augur a sort of strong Hezbollah Russia axis Thank you very much for helping us understand just what role they had in the region Thank you very much John for joining us Thank you We're going to look back at some tales of heroism as well as tales of loss from October 7th 58 police officers died protecting party goers at the Nova Music Festival on October 7th It makes it the biggest tragedy in the history of the Israeli police Sagi was one of the police officers that responded to that attack and fought down 14 terrorists surviving Our more Ellen has more in this next story It's Sagi's first time back in the fighting zone of the Nova Festival since October 7 Barbara, his girlfriend is with him He brought her for moral support but returning still made him uneasy It's hard to bring a lot of memories a lot of people that you saw I did that day that are not with us today a lot of memories Arrived here at 6 o'clock in the morning for morning shift here in the party A lot of young people happy, dancing, good vibes The stage was here in the middle All the people you can see the picture of the fortunately murdered was here In the middle was the dancing area The war room and the firefighter room All this thing was in the back of the stage When I arrived we just preparing ourselves to the shift to secure the area to make sure everything is ok everybody is ok and in about 6.30 kind of we saw a lot of rockets coming from Gaza into Israel Immediately the police commander that was in the party told us all the officers to go inside the party stop the music and evacuate everybody out At first the police president asked the party goers to lie on the ground Minutes later they decided to evacuate them completely As people were leaving the area the situation was revealed to be graver than imaginable Someone from the party ran at me with his phone in his hand and he said to me my brother is on the line ok and someone shoot at him on the road, on the main road Immediately I took his phone and I ran into the police room I tell the police officer that was there take the phone speak with him Sagi, together with two other policemen drove to the location of the shooting one of them was Eliona Ostafenko On the main road only 220 yards from the party area they encountered first signs of the tragedy that would unfold that day we get here and over there near the sign we saw a man just two like this with his hand and we drove to him and he says someone shoot at him and we look at his car and we see in the back door a bullet, just a hole of bullet he wasn't injured The civilian told Sagi he saw trucks with people holding weapons In this moment I pulled my gun and I take him and went off the back of the road over there and we lay on the ground Meanwhile, Eliona and another policeman went back to the party area to report and call for reinforcements We started to understand what's happening but we thought it's only a few ones that came here and they are still here around somewhere The three were now driving again trying to catch up with the terrorists Finally, they saw a car on the side of the road In this place we saw a white van and we saw a man lying on the floor near the van and he just put his hand on his belly and screamed so me and Eliona went to him started to talk to him and when I pulled up his shirt I saw a big hole in his belly because of a bullet and I said to Eliona to start to make a pressure and I get into the van from the other side I open the door and I see a guy laying on his back with his eyes open and I check if he had the pulse or something like this He didn't have anything he was murdered While Sagi and Eliona tended to the wounded the third policeman drove back to fetch the medical teams So we are here only me and Eliona with no communication no car or anything we stay with injured people and then we saw two jeeps that came at us and they parked like 100-150 meters from us and from each jeep we get off something like 6 or 7 terrorists each so it's like 12 or 14 14 terrorists and they just starting to shoot at us The two were standing in an open field while outnumbered the terrorists were also better armed with rifles and RPGs Eliona and Sagi had their personal weapons and two magazines with 15 bullets each Sagi dragged the wounded civilian to the other side of the van and exchange of fire began as they tried to shoot back but they realized they didn't stand a chance I tell Eliona we have to run back but there is nowhere to run back here and then I see this this water pipe Under fire they both ran as fast as they could the bullets are like everywhere and then the second before they reached the water pipe Eliona was hit exactly at this point like 1 or 2 meters from the pipe Eliona said to me I'm hit and she hold her her breath and she is feeling over here I get here behind this pipe and I lie right here and my head is behind this pipe and I'm right here and with my pistol I shoot at them and they shoot at me like tons of bullets the terrorists went back to the van to make sure the two wounded civilians were dead you are complete yourself with the thought that you are gonna die the only thing you think of that's it one against 14 terrorists what chance did Segui have one of them go to their jeep and he bring an RPG and he go over his knees and he shoot the RPG on me and the RPG is exploding like 10-15 meters behind me the 14 terrorists came into Segui's direction he played dead and didn't shoot back and then I see two army chopper just getting from this way to this way above this field and the terrorists see the chopper the terrorists see the chopper and they take three RPG and they shoot on the chopper luckily they missed but now the terrorists for some inexplicable reason go back on their jeeps and flee y en este momento cheque Ilona aquí y afortunadamente ella murdera Eliona Ostefenko fue matada a la edad del 25 en total 58 policías murieron protegiendo los gobernadores de la festival nova en octubre 7 haciendo la gran tragedia en la historia de la policía israelí se van a la dirección de los terroristas y ríen a la ruta y acaban, acaban, acaban Segui todavía podía espaldar los terroristas en el lado de la ruta esperando por más carros a cruzar le informó al soldado los dos hicieron un turno en la intersección de cerca se vio un grupo de 100 novas festivales le tomaron carros y los colocaron en un seguro el soldado un civil con un arma y Segui guardaron la entrada de la ruta por horas hasta que el IDF fue capaz de extrascarlos a una ruta segura por dos meses han pasado y estos lindos hermosos que en octubre 7 se vieron la ruta de un horror inimaginable ahora again caliente gracias a los hombres y las mujeres que ponen sus vidas en la ruta para salvar a otros la guerra es más importante que para mantener los espíritus de los soldados 350.000 reservistas llamaron a la acción por dos meses ahora y en uno de los happy holidays en el calendario juicio de la Afganica ¿cómo celebraste cuando estabas deployado en una ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en the blue en el color en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura en la ruta segura 1992 en el condición de rehabilitation para 써tl y consciously colaborado ion rati ar rati y nos llevamos a la menor con ellos. Y fue solo ir de soledad a soledad, justificando a ellos el amor y la desgracia y el incertidumbre, y definitivamente, el moral, en este muy, muy difícil tiempo para muchas personas, y solo viendo la luz increíble en estas bases. El representante, quiero preguntarte una pregunta, porque usted me dice que, como está haciendo esto, hay también otro desafío. Hemos hablado de todos esos reservistas pero han dejado a mucha gente en casa, dejado a mucha gente detrás, y no solo sobre los soldados, sino también su mujer, y usted está ayudando a ellos también. Correcto. Así que tenemos algo que se llama CABOT CARES, donde enviamos packages de atención para CABOT durante la semana, a los partners y a los soldados de IDF. Y realmente, estas mujeres y estas partners son los guerras de la luz, estando abajo en la frontera, y ellos necesitan apoyo, así que estamos ahí para ellos, una comunidad, elevando ellos y apoyando a ellos, sí. ¿Cómo se ha sido recibido por los soldados? Todo el mundo está siempre contento con un boxe de donados, pero cuando estás en el medio de lo que ha sido el colegio de Israel en los bordes de décadas, ¿cuáles son sus cuartos? Así que tengo que decir, por unos cinco semanas, que fui al norte, y los momentos más felices, yo diría, las manos abajo, eran esos momentos cuando las personas venían a visitar los soldados en base, y cuando las personas de nuestra comunidad venían a visitar, y el sentimiento y la emoción y la felicidad que veas en la face de los soldados que no se han olvidado, que alguien está pensando en ellos, se cuidan de ellos, haciendo un viaje, solo para verlos y apreciar su soledad, es una experiencia realmente increíble para todos los involucrados, pero para los soldados es que justamente trae mucho felicidad a sus vidas. ¿Puedo mencionar? Sara, quiero hablar de los necesarios que muchas de las personas tienen y lo que realmente han perdido en sus vidas durante los dos meses de la guerra, todas estas familias, los desplazamientos, hay gatos detrás de ellos. Sí, necesitan mucho apoyo, apoyo emocional, apoyo como niños que son niños, los que han podido pegar, una comida fresca cuando uno de mis amigos, ella es una doctora y trabaja todo el tiempo y ella viene a casa y tiene dos niños, su esposa está en la bordera de la Lebanese y Jabad está haciendo seguro que no tiene que cocinar, hemos tenido a vosotros y estamos apoyados y vemos a vosotros. Así que creo que hay muchas necesidades como eso y vemos a ellos y estamos ahí para ellos y estamos spreadiendo la luz y un acto de la goodness, a nuestra comunidad, a todos los partners y a la IDF y cada uno de nosotros es esa luz y podemos spreader eso y eso es el mensaje de Chanukah esencialmente, incluso cuando se arroja, spreada la luz de la goodness y la caída a los alrededor de vos y el mundo va a morir lentamente. Eli, voy a preguntar la siguiente pregunta a vosotros. Quizás es una cuestión espiritual, pero sé que mucha gente que, desde esta guerra, se ha roto, han sido mucho más religiosos que ellos en el pasado. Muchos de ellos que son totalmente seculares han embriado la religión como un signo de la identidad nacional como una popularidad. Entre los soldados, muchos de ellos también son de la mundo secular. ¿Habéis visto algo similar que creen que están lutando para una identidad judíaca y una nación? Absolutamente. Es una cuestión maravillosa que te estás preguntando. Cualquier base que he estado en, puedes ver, las cítizas, las personas preguntando para Tefilin. Hemos estado dando a los niños de Tefilin a los soldados de todo el país. Y definitivamente, es algo que no estamos justificando aquí. Esto no es un combate físico. Esto es muy un combate espiritual. Y con eso viene la identidad espiritual de cada uno de ellos aquí. Y cada solo soldado está llegando para algo espiritual también. Y ese significado que viene con nuestra identidad judíaca y el combate no es sobre combatir la oscuridad con la oscuridad. Estamos soldados de la luz. Y nuestro primer objetivo es que se spreada la luz y que realiza la luz del mundo. Y, sí, estoy contento de que ambos de ustedes están haciendo lo que pueden para que las esperanzas y la pelea para los esperanzas de los soldados. Muchas gracias, Sara. Ellie, muchas gracias.