 We had the best time doing the initial breakdown of the body language and behavior in this video, and we decided we'd revisit some of our favorite moments from it. You know, she's not good with cameras, so I apologize. But we were just like, for anybody that has any information. I don't remember a lot, but I did remember I was breaking up, you know, with the cops. But I know that if anybody's got anything, any of the places that I could have gone, anybody that you know who you are. Please, find him, please. It would mean a lot. It would mean everything to us. And it's family at the same without family, that's for sure. That's it. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so let's just look at the linguistics going on, because for my money, they're enough. He kicks off with I don't remember a lot. I don't remember a lot. Well, that's that's handy. And I think, you know, maybe many of you will remember the episode we did just the other week. And Chase was saying, one of the trickiest things you can do to an interrogator is like, I don't remember. Well, he's already started that process of going, it'll be quite a good alibi if I don't remember anything. And, you know, there's a good chance there's some drug abuse there as well. And so may well, may well doesn't remember. OK, I do remember I was breaking up with the cops. But I did remember it was breaking up, you know, with the cops. Well, that just doesn't. I mean, you know, to one of Greg's points last week, sometimes culture and linguistics can come in. But even with culture and linguistics, I don't think that makes any sense. But let's let's let's carry on. If anybody got anything, any places I could have gone. If anybody's got anything, any places that I could have gone. OK, if anybody got anything, any places I could have gone. Anybody, you know who you are. Anybody, you know who you are. Well, OK, that seems to point in one direction. That seems to point to him, any places I could have gone. Anybody got any places I could have gone, you know who you are. OK, it's either pointing at him or it's still very confusing. It would mean a lot. It would mean a lot. It would mean everything to us. And then he continues with family ain't the same without family. Family at the same without family. Well, let's just break this down. We've got a lot of eyes. It's a lot about I. So it's all about them and family, not about CJ. And it's not about what you might be able to do out there, what you might be able to do about helping CJ, helping that child right now. It's a lot about us and I and family ain't the same without family. That for me is distancing. So a lot of a lot of word salad there, which could be cultural, but I don't think it is. I think there might even be some kind of embedded confession. It's about I, the cops, us and distancing around the idea of family rather than let's talk about the child and how you could help the child right now. I'll leave it at that because I could take up more, but there'll be there'll be less left for other people. Chase, what do you got? Yeah, absolutely. Great. We have another case of the missing perpetrator. We need a sound of the boom. Thank you. And, you know, as I'm always fond of saying, it's a great quote that I invented. You know, the behavior panel wouldn't be the same without the behavior panel. So true. So true. Let's quickly walk through the Chase use four step checklist that we use in the last video when we're talking about missing people. Number one, where is the concern directed? Is it story plot innocence or the missing person's return and safety? Number two, are the moments of stress or fear associated with their guilt or associated with the missing person? Number three, is the information provided specific and directed toward finding the person? And number four, is the sadness more or less visible than the stress? So which one's higher? Sadness or stress? So I just kind of made that quick reference. This entire monologue is story focused and not not talking about CJ at all. The husband, I think, is a has some mental issues. I'm not a diagnostician nor qualified to make a diagnosis, but this certainly looks like a malignant narcissist on a base level. And the rest of this, the rest of these videos is behaviors controlling and threatening and while expressing zero sadness, there's zero concern for the return of the baby. And his only stress behaviors are in response to potential threat of being found out or or slipping up in the story. There's no grief on the wife, only fear. We do see fear. We don't see sadness and grief. Both of them are more focused on getting this over with and just kind of let's wrap this up. And I think the sheriff already knows that he's he's wanting him to keep talking. And that that phrase, like you said, Mark, places I could have gone. We know where it happened. So I think this is a. A slip. Protein or other ones, Greg. Yeah, I don't think we're dealing with Einstein here first off. So his word patterns are probably a result of poor education. Maybe, you know, that kind of thing. It also could be a result of lots of chemicals over time and not clear patterns of thought. The thing for me, I'm going to say this outlet. Somebody's going to feel sorry for this knucklehead in the comments and say he needs counseling. Yeah, well, wall to wall counseling is what he needs. He needs some kind of for hurting this kid. Anyway, all relationships have weird body language or all microcultures, every one of them. But most relationships don't have the microculture and the expression of fear. When a person holds another person by the shoulders, typically it's comforting. This woman's arm is across her torso and locked up tight. I agree. I don't see grief in either of these people talking about a baby who is missing. Now, Mark, I'll give you an alternative. What I think probably he's saying. He's saying I remember we were breaking up and we I think cops. He's editing as he speaks because he's cautious. What he's going to say and I don't think he's swift. I think he's just or my dad would have said he too swift. I think he's just rolling along and he's trying to tell a story and editing along the way and he's probably saying, hey, him and his girlfriend, wife, whatever the relationship, I'm not sure. Maybe they were breaking up. I told the cops is kind of what I hear. But I did remember it was breaking up, you know, with the cops. But remember, I'm a deep South boy too. So I live in the world that's a little different. Then I also hear him saying anybody who knows where I would have been. Any places that I could have gone. That sounds code to me like I'm blasted out of my mind and driving around is what that sounds like code for me. So I think there's probably he's starting this whole story about how it happened. And he might not even remember who knows. I don't know enough details of the case. But I would I'm always cautious to try to read too much into language patterning in cultures that are this odd because this is this is South Alabama or they call it L.A. Lower Alabama. This is lower Alabama. And this is a poorly educated guy and also appears to have a drug issue and anger issues. If I were stroking my wife's hair to make her feel more comfortable, it wouldn't be with my knuckles, for example. There's all kinds of signaling of threat in this guy's body language. You can't miss it. And then she goes into something that Scott and I call transfer immediately. Doesn't mean she killed the kid means she's hiding something. And that hide when we prioritize our our feelings, grief takes back seat if there's an immediate threat often. We're going to get our bodies out of the place and we can deal with grief later. And she covers her face and she starts to be emotional and kind of rocking. And that's what we call transfer emotionally unavailable so you can't talk to her. You guys already hit on the fact that her body is trying to separate from his and he grips and pulls her back in. Guys, if you see this in a service station, wonder if somebody is being trafficked. Look, something is not natural about a man physically grabbing a woman and moving her body around. And that's not comforting. I'll just leave it at that and say every time I see this guy and all the family isn't family, he's trying to he's trying to appear human and appear to be softer than he is is what I see here. There are very few people that I see that I immediately think not a lot of value. This guy is one of them. This guy, I look at him and think, yeah, immediately lock this guy up. We'll figure out for sure what happened. But he did something when I saw this. And yeah, is that is that a little bit of projection? Maybe. But there's enough stuff here to tell me that we'll figure out what he did, but this guy's done something. Scott, you got Freud said if his lips are silent, he chatters with his fingertips and betrayal oozes out of him at every poor. And the same goes for deception. Now, what I'm going to say is not only does deception ooze out of every poor, he's like a member of the wacky water weasel. Job ahead of that when you're little. That thing was just like it looks like a cup. It's got these two goofy eyes on it, a little little hair thing on it. You plug it into the hose and like runs around, flies around, squirting water everywhere. You try to run away from it and not get wet and dodge it and all that. That's what we're seeing here. That's what his deception oozing out looks like. Wacky water weasel throughout these videos. We're going to see behavior by her that says that that will show. I'm concerned. I'm not concerned. I'm afraid. I'm not afraid. Those types of things, for example. Now, we know this guy is an abuser already from the record he has. If you watch when he first says she's not good with cameras, she looks up and smiles at him. She's not good with cameras, so. And you're going to think, wow, she knows she's in on this as well. Here's why I don't think she's in on this. When you deal with a narcissist, when you deal with an abuser, that person being abused wants to connect with that person because when they first met that person, they were connected to him. When they were dating, they were connecting, he was nice to her. He was love bombing her, in other words, frying off oxytocin, serotonin, and that helps her bond with him. Now, what they do is they cut off that oxytocin and that serotonin, those those good reactions and thing, you know, those the positive reinforcement. And when they do that, that person is in a way addicted to that oxytocin and that feeling they have from that that abuser or that narcissist and or the psychopath, whatever in whatever the case may be. So they'll do anything to make to get some of that, just to get a drop of it, to go like a heroin addict would do anything to get to get a hit at the drugs, man. But to get anything, they would they'll they'll try to get positive reinforcement from which gives them the oxytocin blast. That's what we're seeing here. We see that over and over and over. She can hardly lock eyes with this guy. Every time he looks at her, she looks away. And when he's looking at her, he's looking over her head and she's looking at him and then when he looks at her, she looks away. These are these are classic signs of someone being abused. And that the hand that when she puts her hand to her face coming right out of the gate like that, that that denotes from my experience, shame and guilt, which lets me know. And I'm just saying me personally that she's got guilty knowledge. She knows what's happened. We know she knows what's happened. But here's how we know she knew earlier because she's showing us because she doesn't know how to act. You're right, Greg, these people are their idiots. I mean, just I don't care. I don't care what he says. They can't come together. Both idiots. So they don't know how to act. He thinks he knows how to act. He thinks he knows how to act like a person who's feeling sorrow and sadness. But we don't see any any any expression of sadness. We don't see any heavy breathing. It's actually light breathing. We don't see anything that lets us know he's stressed other than from the from the situation he's in. But no grief stresses what I was what I'm trying to get to there. When she's covering her face, she's not she's she's covering her face like this. You see the fingers going like this. She's pushing on her tear ducts because there are no there. She's not trying to push tears out, but there are no tears in there. And so what she's doing, she's pushing on those because she's thinking tears, tears, and there are none from either one of them. No grief muscle, no nothing. So when you watch her push on her face and you see her with her hands to her face, watch where her index fingers go right to the insides of her eyes on her tear ducts there. And if you're an interrogator, this is how you step in and go, hey, man, let's separate. We got to keep them separate. I don't think they've been talked to yet with this because look at the way they're acting. They don't have a story together. They haven't rehearsed it. They've said, OK, here's what happened. OK, that's what happened, which is what usually happens when people do something. They'll say, OK, here's what happened. Here come the cops. You sit there real still in the car and the car cops come up and you all tell the same story because you've heard the driver telling the story. And so when it comes to the guy, the passenger seat or girl, he or she tells the story. The guys in the backseat tell the same story. But when you separate them, you haven't got that story clean yet. That's when you start finding out what the real who's really being honest and who really isn't at that point. All right, that's almost I'm going to stop there. She's not good with cameras, so I apologize. But we were just like for anybody that has any information. I don't remember a lot. But I did remember I was breaking up, you know, with the cops. But I know that if if anybody's got anything, they need any places that I could have gone, anybody that you know who you are. Please find him, please. It would mean a lot. It would mean everything to us. And this family at the same without family, that's for sure. There's a thing. Saturday was the last time we were together, Saturday, Saturday night. So yeah, yeah. We were all together sleeping. And well, the baby with me and her in the bed and to lose in any other room is we usually, you know, we usually are together as a family. But it's not easy. And I don't remember much. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, lovely. So first thing that triggers a red flag for me is you can see how well her hair is tied back. Would you ever think that any other hair would get in her face? It's not going to because it's super tied back. And we see some grooming there. It's not necessary. It wouldn't be necessary to do that. There wouldn't be hair in her eyes. So that's a sublimation of something else. That's a distraction or a comfort gesture or something that something is going on here. Yeah. When were you last together? Saturday. Saturday, upward inflection. And she looks up to him. She's asking for approval on this. They're now looking, number one, maybe to get their story together. That's possible. Or some what the story has been got together. And she's going, hey, am I am I getting this one right? Do you approve of how I'm performing here? Could be an element of that there. Oh, very muddy timelines, by the way, just muddy, muddy timelines that already don't make a great deal of sense. Puts herself in the victim state there. It's not easy. It's not easy. And I don't remember much. So we're back into the not remembering piece there, which is either a tactic or he sincerely has no idea what was going on there. That's a possibility as well. I just want to give you one little model or a series of models to think about how they're behaving and how they're performing right now. You can think about things in terms of I think it's Joe Navarro's idea there of comfort or discomfort. That's a good way to just have a simple way of going. Do they look comfortable or do they look uncomfortable right now? I often think about things like warm or cold. Do they look like they're warm and open? Or do they look like they're cold or closed? I've maybe told you about these before, but I want to give you one more of these, which is are they being direct or indirect? And so direct movement is very, very clear. It seems to go where you think it should go immediately. And it gets there relatively quick. And when it's there, it really feels like it's landed. Both of these two, especially the male, are super indirect at the moment. It is a Scots, you know, got his model there of the wild water weasel, whatever it is. Those things are interesting to watch. Wacky, wacky water weasel. Those are interesting to watch because they're unpredictable and you don't know where they're going to go. They're very indirect. So that's what I'm looking at here is going. So this body language is very indirect. In a place where I would imagine you'd want to be very direct because time is of the essence. Time is ticking away here for your child. You'd want to be direct. So again, red flag goes up for me. Why are they being indirect when I think they should be being direct? Greg, what have you got on this? So one thing you will notice, they have not yet mentioned this baby's name once, period. Not once, not once. Does anybody know the baby's name? Well, it's called CJ because it's Caleb Jr. And try to remember that baby's name because nobody will. But they are so internally focused, internally focused that they're trying to get their message out without paying any attention to what these other people are doing. They're keenly unaware that people perceive them the way they do because you can see they're actually a little amused that they got their story out, that it was Saturday. And she looks up for approval, agreed. Oh yeah, it was Saturday. Now she's looking to this guy for approval and requesting approval for him. And if that's your strong point, that left shoulder's whipping because it's uncertainty when he's answering every one of those, you can't miss that single shoulder shrug constantly. Now it could be a behavior trait that he has because he's done it so many times. But likely in this case, he's uncertain of what he's saying. I'm not gonna beat this one to death. I'm just gonna say there's a lot of them trying to collaborate and corroborate each other's story face to face. And they are so internally focused, they're not aware even that those officers are standing there going, yep, okay, this is shooting fish in a barrel. Or that even the people are interviewing them are focused. People in volatile relationships often don't notice people outside them. I'll just leave it at that. And Chase, what do you got? Yeah, absolutely agree with you guys. And he's clean shaven, looks well rested as a very recent haircut. And she's repeating his words sometimes verbatim and looking up at him with trepidation. I think hypothetically, if there was a scenario where a narcissist husband did something to his baby, that would probably lead to a conversation of, we can't fix it now. It's already done. You can either ruin my life, your life and the kid's life for the rest of our lives or you can get on board. The only way that we're gonna fix this, look at me, look at me. The only way that we're gonna fix this is to get this story straight and we're gonna go to the police. That's the only way I'm gonna be here for the kids. Everything's ruined for you, for the kids, for everybody. If any of this goes to police, all we're gonna do is screw up our lives. And that's hypothetically what I think might happen in a scenario like this, which is pretty bad. Scott? Yeah, I'm glad you picked me next because you're right, man. You're exactly, that's exactly, I bet you, I didn't think about it that way, but when you say it, it's like, yeah, you're right. That's exactly, you know, look at me. So you don't go to prison too, because we're all going because we waited this long, but she can't help it because she's afraid of him. So no wonder she's not gonna say anything. Now, when they say when's the last time you were together, they both pause and think about it. Greg, if somebody, if you say that to somebody and you're like, well, when's the last time you saw him, what are you gonna do? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, yeah. Yeah, I'm not gonna say a damn thing is what I'm gonna do. If you're asking somebody else just in the room, I'm gonna get deadly quiet. Exactly, exactly. That's why I'm saying they're not smart enough to realize people are watching. No, no. And when you, if your little kid is missing, you don't know exactly what time it was. She was 7.30 and here's where I was. I did this and all of a sudden he's gone. I think that guy took, somebody must have taken, there's nobody, somebody must have taken him. There's no out as to what they think has happened to him. Chase's point earlier on, there's no emergency here. There's, this is, this is ridiculous. And that makes me think, because it wasn't long after this where he was, where they, where he admitted to what he'd done, right? So I would think- They found the body for sure, I think, yeah. Oh, is that what happened? Yeah. Okay. I don't know how the thing unfolded, but yeah. All right, because I would think, I think that Captain Beasley would take him in a room and say, you sit here down right now. And what do you think's going on? And doing that whole thing, not being nice, not being, hey, let's talk about what's that? None of that. You go the damn jugular right there. So in this case, when I'm going off on a tangent, they know, he says nothing when they ask that. And notice it's a woman asking it. The first few questions are all women. I'm sure they're dying to be talking to these people because they see it on them. And when he said, where were you all last together? He doesn't say anything. He says nothing because he knows when they're last together. And then she says Saturday night, she's fidgeting around, she's so uncomfortable, she can't really stand it. And again, she's putting distance between them both. When he says, the baby, me and her in bed. We were all together sleeping in the world, the baby with me and her in the bed until he was in any other room. That's when she looks up and says, like, what? That's not right. I think he did that. He was out and the baby was out in the same room he was. I think whatever he did, he did that. And then took the baby out. That's what I think happened. And while this is going on, she starts texting. She's on TV. Who's she texting while she's on TV? She's using her phone to hide. She's hiding away from, she's insulating herself, Greg. She's, it's an insulator where she's getting in there and she's in the middle of something. So she's trying to blank, I guess, blank all this stuff out because she knows this isn't going well at all. Not at all because she's looked at that Captain Beasley a couple of times too. And it can't not have any part of it at all. Not even a little bit. All right, who's next? Mark? I think we're done now. I didn't pick up on the shaving and the haircut. So I was interested in that because what I did notice was a crease down the side of the t-shirt, the freshly ironed t-shirt, or straight out the bag. It was folded. It was folded, Mark. You can see the fold marks right down here. Yeah, yeah, but it's, yeah. So it's like, it's like, it's like box fresh. And, and that, yeah. And that for me is like, ah, guy, you managed to get a box fresh shirt out for this. That's kind of, I had to just grab, I'd be in, I mean, what, you know, I don't know what I'd be in. I'd probably be naked. I wouldn't grab any clothes. I don't know for sure if this is a married couple or a baby mama kind of thing. I don't know because she talks about her two-year-old, not their two-year-old. Her two-year-old. Yeah, so I don't know. This is, there's some volatility here for sure. But I don't think he's clean shaving. I think he's got, he's got a little beard on there, Chase. Looks like he is. But he's shaved over here. Yeah, I think he deliberately not shaved in the, in the mouth area. Okay. Gotcha. Remember the last two-year-olds were together. Saturday? Saturday was the last time we were together. Saturday night. Saturday night. Yeah. We were all together sleeping and well, the baby with me and her in the bed until we was in any other room. Cause we usually, you know, we usually are together as a family, but. It's not easy. And I don't remember much of. When did you all realize that you were living? They, they didn't. I was home with my oldest, my two-year-old. And he was with, she chose with him. And he went to go pay gas at gas station and realized that he was gone. And he let the police know and we know that he was missing. Okay. Greg, what do you got? I'm not gonna have a whole lot for this. It's more of the same. It's, there's some posturing and storytelling and she says, I was here and he was with and he said, I didn't tell him. There's some talking. I can't figure out exactly what he's talking about. There he kind of trails off. I think it's more of a signal of, hey, careful what you say. He's got a hand on her again. Regardless of whether she was involved, she certainly knows what happened. And he's trying, I agree with you, Chase. This is a, you better listen to me or you're going to jail for the rest of your life. And she's listening. And she doesn't seem like she's all together there either. I mean, the way she's responding, I'm gonna leave this one at that as about as much as I can take of it. And Scott, what do you got? I think he gave her the cue. That was her part to talk because he didn't want to say anything at that point because he knows all this stuff. She pretty much knows too. But that was her cue, I think. I think he was queuing her in to talk. That's why he looks right at her and he's doing all that weird dancing around wacky water weasel stuff. Then, yeah, when she says, when did you all realize he was missing? They haven't thought that, they haven't, like I said before, they were in the car or whatever, said, okay, here's what happened, blah, blah, blah. Here's our quick story and didn't get the details. And so when that woman asks, the reporter asks that question, where did you realize he was missing? She has to lie about it, obviously, because she's got to come up with a time. And we all know, because I've talked about a thousand times, when you lie, the brain has to do three things. First thing it's gotta do is stop you from telling the truth. Hang on just a second. Make something up and then deliver it. And in the deliveries, where you see most of the action in this, you see a lot of it when they're thinking it up, but the big stuff comes on, the hardcore stuff comes on in delivery. And that's all we're seeing in there. They're actually putting themselves in the liar's loop. They're sticking to the get ready to go down the, Greg, I have a thing in the true crime workshop where how you tear a lie apart and you can box somebody in fairly quickly if you use this loop. And they're putting themselves without going into details of all that, they're putting themselves in this loop in the death spiral of a lie, almost right out of the gate with this. It's, I don't have much else to say about that either. Chase, what do you got? She's all, all shame, very little sadness. And she's being abused at home. I would, I would stake my career on that. But this downward gaze that he's got with this bouncing movement is most likely an expenditure behavior. So he's just burning off excess energy. So he sees his biggest problem as I need to manage the stress, not display sadness. So he's seeing stress management as a bigger problem than displaying sadness. So that's taking over his, his physiology and, and his CPU, his brain at that moment. And I think her fear of him is absolutely palpable. In this clip right here. And this, this gaze that he has downward is just planning, strategizing and ensuring that she stays on story. And I think this is, you know, this is where we're starting to see that she heard that speech. She heard that speech of, we can't fix this. We can't go back in time. That we're all going to go to jail. You're going to screw my life over. You don't want to be responsible for that to you. That kind of stuff is, is hardcore. And I think she's trapped in several different ways in this video here. And I want you to see this on the very final frame of the video. This glance that he has says a thousand words. This is disdain and careful observation of her is a horrible human being. So if you ever see something like this for your friends, ask them if they're okay when they're in private. Take a look at this stuff. And sometimes all it takes is someone just to notice that and then ask the question because a lot of people you'd be very surprised get into a relationship like that and feel like it's normal. And they feel like it's normal until somebody starts to ask questions about it and they begin to understand this isn't, this is not how everybody else lives. That's all I got there. Great. I think it's Mark. I'll be Greg. Yeah. Good points there, Chase. So it starts for me with an eye block right from moment one. And even that's odd. In fact, the whole idea right from the start of she's not good with cameras. If you've got kids, you know that they pull a whole resource out of you that you didn't even realize you had. You know, if you thought you were busy before, like when you got kids, it's like, wow, I can get, I can get a lot done. I'm getting done everything that I did and all of this at the same time, you know, this is what busy really is that. So they pull a whole resource out of you. And so when your kids are in trouble, like it pulls another big resource out of you. You've got a lot of power to get stuff done. Do you think you're camera shy at that point? Do you think anybody's like, I'm not sure I can really face the cameras right now? No, you'd be there. You'd be fronting it up. You would be getting eye contact with all those people out there. Your inhibition would be gone because there's only one thing on your mind, which is I'm gonna get my child back. I wanna save my child. So I don't get the eye block right from moment one. He deflects right at the start. He says, you know, when did you know they'd gone? I, well, they didn't. When did you all realise they didn't? They didn't. That's a great deflection, isn't it? We're not gonna talk about when we realise they're gone. We're gonna talk about when they didn't realise at all. So it's a complete deflection to the negative over to somebody else. Very interesting move. Lots of dominating moves there, including a control of, first of all, the neck and then controlling the head. So we've moved from domination of the shoulder to now getting control of the neck and the head. And you'll know, you know, if you grab somebody around the neck, they've still got a lot of power from their shoulders. If you can take control of their head, they've got a lot of trouble right now because that's the thing working most everything else. So wherever their head's going, you're gonna be able to lead them. Same as the centre of gravity. If you take control of the centre of gravity around the stomach area or take control of the head, there's not a lot they can do. So highly dominant behaviour there. What I really enjoy about this is then his look to Captain Beasley and then Captain Beasley's friend who's off camera there of like, can we end this now? And no, not gonna end it. Not gonna end it. We're just like, no, we're not gonna help you out. You're gonna keep on going. We're gonna see where this one goes. You're gonna have to walk away from this. We're just gonna let you keep on running and we're gonna see where this goes to. I'm almost sure this is a definite tactic from them because I have seen police with other victims in this case and with a victim, they are often very, very careful to take them away, to comfort them, to make sure, because that victim may well have information, they're an asset at this point and keeping them comfortable and safe is a great asset. These two are not trying to keep them comfortable and safe right now, quite rightly, I think. There, that's what I got. Hey, let me add back one thing. One thing that I noticed in her, and Chase, I think you hit it dead on the head about him, what he is doing is all that nail biting energy is coming out. He's not biting his nails, but look at his fingers are chewed down to the nub. It's coming out, you can't hide that. That's the reason it's easy to interrogate somebody who does that because they bleed. But in her case, she does something very interesting is that when you play with your brow, that's not associated with grief, that's associated with stress. And that drives the whole point, everything everybody is saying that she's stressed because there's a number one threat right there next to her. And she's probably smart enough to realize that he might be a threat, but that's also a threat standing right there. And that threat or that danger is going to override her grief in this case, whether she has grief or not, not sure. But look at that playing with the muscle in her forehead. Every one of you has done it instinctively, put your fingers to there, because those two lines that are going up are not grief. Those are concern or other negative kinds of things. But look at it and pay attention. There's no arch, it's just she's playing with her forehead. And it's also eye blocking. Also, I think that she is becoming his adapter as he's squeezed on her, and like you would like those little stress balls or something, he's doing that stuff to her. She's how he's getting his stress out, is on her, which is I'm sure he does in life because he's an abuser. So that's one that stood out to me was the guy's hand around her neck and those types of things. We'll see him get even tighter here in a few minutes. I think he's using her as his adapter. Or his adapters are, he's releasing that energy on her. Just yay. Yeah, yep. When did you all realize that he was missing? They didn't. I was home with my oldest material and he was with, she chose with him. And he went to go pay gas at gas station. And realized that he was gone. And he let the police know and me know that he was missing. No. Oh, I don't. I wish we did knew. If we knew, he would already with that. How's the rest of the family holding up? I know this is a tough ordeal, but... He's been taking the toll on everybody. Everybody's saying prayers. Everybody's keeping an eye out for him. All right, Chase, what do you got? First thing on my notes here, I had to download these and watch them on a plane today. But the first thing here, he's using her to burn off his own anxious energy, like you were saying. There you go. And the squeezing on the shoulder starts during his uncomfortable silence. So it's a little like a stress ball. And he's more focused on getting it over with than getting the kid back. And when she's saying people were saying, people are letting us know they're saying prayers, that's her saying other people believe us unconsciously. She hasn't planned this out. I think that's her communicate. Other people are, they're saying prayers because they believe us. There's a missing perpetrator. There's no request for help. And he's controlling her like a puppeteer in this. He's focused on planning and strategy. He's aimed at the ground, even responds with this stupid moronic quip back at the reporter. Like, well, if we knew we would have went there. If we knew we would have already went there. What an idiot. I'm sorry, Mark, go ahead. No, fair play. He retreats and gains height dominance. Yeah, partly because of the step maybe, but he does prefer hanging out with the height dominance there. He does want to retreat at this point. Just again, Captain Beasley, just fantastic. He says, do you want me to say anything else? And the guy is almost deadpan, other than to what Scott was saying earlier, which is there's some anger there from him. Beasley, I think knows where this one's going. But again, great stoic attitude there pinning him in. That's what I got on that. Greg, what have you got? So I'm going to cover a few things. One is we talk about Liar's Loop, which says there is a trigger, then you fabricate, then you, you de-conflict with your life and then you pitch and then you defend. Well, you can see her clearly standing in the headlights of the Liar's Loop. If she hasn't thought of these answers and she's trying to respond and she starts to dance around and she does that cover her face thing again where she's playing with her brow. The second one is he does a contracted denial. Oh, I don't. And you guys always hear us say non-contracted denial. It causes us to pay attention. What we want you to hear is patterns, patterns matter. This, we know this guy did this and he says, no, I don't. So that's his word pattern. The piece that's interesting for me as well here is this whole control thing that's going on. How much he, he starts to move away from her and then he grabs her and pulls her back over. If you've been around people who are in a drug-fueled relationship, I'm not saying she's druggy. He certainly looks at it and I'm not sure she isn't. They make me think of the movie Sid and Nancy, you know? That kind of thing, those volatile relationships get all kinds of nuanced things for relaxing and we can't see all that from the outside. But I certainly see anxiety in her. Is the anxiety caused by, she's not sure what he's gonna do. Is it caused by the liar's loop? Is it caused by something else? But there's a moment of romance or looking you dead in the eyes and trying to convince you and then there's a dance. If you take that video and play it very fast or very slow, you'll realize how weird all that body language is. He's looking for the door and then he moves and then she's looking for a different door and distancing then he grabs her and they pull back over. It's like two mimes in the park almost. If it were not such a horrible thing, you watch it that way you'll be amused because it's an absolutely foolish looking dance. And that's the kind of thing that happens in relationships, especially volatile relationships. Is that dance and that not being able to separate. Now I don't know what he thinks he's accomplishing by doing that, by grabbing her and moving her, I think you're right. Chase is just his adapter in his ways to release nervous energy, but it surely looks bad. And there's no way that I look at that and think, okay, they're both being honest. She's not anxious, she's not trying to get away. Again, if I saw that at a service station, I might think, hmm, what's going on? If you see that kind of behavior and the people are not together then you know. I've been in situations in my life where you happen on an abusive relationship. When I was a young guy and used to go to bars, guy in the parking lot slapping his woman around as he's called her and I went over to stop it. You know, it's that kind of behavior that I saw there. I saw, no, you're not moving and keeping control. Really weird, I'm gonna conjecture just like you guys do. This is, there's something going on home and she's listening. That's because that's how they work. That's all I got. Scott. Yeah. Right out of the gate on that and when you see when she's rubbing her face and bouncing around, those are all adapters for her. Trying to get rid of that. And like Greg, you pointed out to us that you usually don't, touching your forehead right in there isn't something where you show sadness. It's where you show you're dealing with stress. I agree. She's, I think what we're seeing in her, a myriad of emotions coming from her. No sadness because I think she's sort of in shock that this has happened. I don't know how long after that he went missing that this has happened that CJ went missing. But she's feeling, she's got fear. She's got shock. She's got a frustration, a lot of frustration when she looks at him a couple of times and then she has to be nice to him and smile at him. I think she's a wreck and I wouldn't be surprised if she's the one that said, look, here's what happened. You know, after taking him in the room and going, look, tell me what happened. She probably opened right up after that and they probably understood that. That she was the only reason she didn't say anything back to Chase's speech to her, what the guy would say to her. She probably said that, you know? He said, he'd kill me if I didn't do that. Now I think she's really afraid. And I agree with you, Greg, this is exactly the behavior you see when somebody's being controlled, you know? And Mark talking about actors, I think the actor that could do this and hear me out because it has nothing to do with looks. Brad Pitt could do this. Hand to God, I think, because he can look that uncomfortable. I've seen him do it in a couple of movies and man, this guy is so, you can't fake that, but I think that's the, I think Brad Pitt can do it. I think he could actually. It's the king of the world, Wacky Waterweasel. He, there are a number of characters that basically he's doing Wacky Waterweasel acting. You know how we're all the time. It's his magic. It's his magic. Exactly. You know how we're all the time quoting Joan of Aro? We say, well, Joan of Aro, there'll be some kid that comes along and goes, Scott Rouse's Wacky Waterweasel theory. So I'll be known as the Wacky Waterweasel theory guy and all this. Careful what you, I'm gonna, I'm gonna teach you how to quote, right? Teach how to acting schools. No. Oh my God. I wish we didn't know. If we know he would have already with that. How's the rest of the family holding up? I know this is a tough ordeal. It's been taking a toll on everybody. Everybody's saying prayers. Everybody's keeping an eye out for him. So.