 Okay. Yeah, I watched that. That was the Sunday night thing. I was yeah, I was on Sunday nights It used to be on Friday nights at first and then they oh, okay Well, plus that was at a time when I didn't have weekends off. So probably felt like the middle of the week. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, cuz I used to watch the X files whose line is it anyway? Star Trek the next generation Star search all the all the syndicated For the stand-up comedians Because at the time we didn't have cables so there weren't a lot of stand-up shows on broadcast networks And so that was kind of the only place you could watch it other than like staying up until 11 Yeah, it was just I mean it was so hokey. I just loved it Spokes model things were ridiculous Like I think oh, that's an actual talent because you're being you have to do the swimsuit Right with speech and there's one other thing you had to do that was on star search. Yeah Yeah, they would like literally like the judges would like pick some better one There was the original American Idol Yeah, no original American Idol The original air American Idol is a show called stairway to stardom. I have seen it It's great, isn't it? It's stairway to stardom. It was a cable access show out of New York And it's this guy who looked like it was done in the early 80s and it looks it 60s era one to no this is 72 but I think I thought there was like a singing competition show in the 60s, but this isn't a competition It's just it's just a talent show. Yeah, it's like a recital for the local so good No, it's so bad. That's what I know But it's I mean it's it was like the guy looks like a lounge act that he decided like, you know I'm gonna do a local cable access version upstairs in my house Yeah, and then there's just a lot of there's a lot of Bad dancing bad comedians bad singing and then the Frank Massey, that's the guy's name Frank Massey He'll he'll he'll sometimes he'll have a really strange Interaction with the guest it's very young like a young girl kiss the girl on the lips like that was a thing And the whole thing is just typically it's like oh, that's totally like late break a whole lot breaking news folks Despacito is now officially the most viewed YouTube video of all time Was was was sigh still number one all that time No, Wiz Khalifa see you again from Furious 7 had had past Despacito Yankees despacito Know what that is it's that Justin Bieber song Yeah, originally not a Justin Bieber song. It's it's it's an old song, but I'm featuring. Yeah, I Lot of music videos. I've never seen it. I've never seen it either. So how does who's watching it? Three million Millennials I guess Watch it on their phones which goes right into today's story. Just let me know when you go the live stream goes live Tom and I'll tweet it. Oh, it's live. Sorry. I took this live a couple minutes ago So into talking I forgot to mention it. I'm hiding just so you know, yeah, we got a minute before we'll start Cool Well, you weren't doing anything like Your video was presentable. Yeah, you know, it's from all of our time at twits I know that yes to the camera or not a show is officially on or not Because we're recording audio at that point it's really not Yeah, during the serious put on her top for the Okay Here we go Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to daily tech news show comm This is the daily tech news for Friday August 4th 2017 I'm Tom Mara joining me today. Very excited to have miss Sarah Lane back How's it going? It's going good. Yeah, you know, I've been on DTNS It's at some point in the past, but it's been years. It's been a while. Yeah, so I'm really happy Yeah, it's good to have you back. And of course Len Peralta here to illustrate the show like old times Len Just like old times missed you last week, but back in the seat and we're ready to oh and it of course Forgot it is hat Friday. Oh, right Sarah. Did I not mention that it's hat Friday. I apologize Uh, no, you didn't but is luck would have it. I actually have one handy. Just the hat That hurts Right championship, you know, I didn't do this to upset Len I got this how do we could go from a friend of mine who actually went to the finals I'm not even cool enough to go to games like that, but she doesn't care about basketball as much as I do So she gave this to me Friday I would have on a Cleveland hat. So it's Sorry, hey, I'm surprised none of you have a despacito hat as it is now officially the most viewed YouTube video of all time Stealing the title from Wiz Khalifa See you again no longer I heard size Gangnam style. It's old. That's old news Poor whiz has anyone gotten a hold of him? Yeah, we'll we'll have Roger get on We hear back from was Khalifa how Things are going meanwhile. Let's start with a few tech things you should know The FBI arrested Marcus Hutchins aka malware tech yesterday We mentioned that on the show Thursday He was arraigned on charges of creating and distributing the Chronos banking Trojan Hutchins asserted his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination So not a lot of statements from him other than yes or no your honor It's kind of hard to know you know when you're when you when you know how to find things you probably know how to Distribute things as well. Yeah, the Guardian has a couple quotes from security researchers saying investigating a Trojan could Appear to the uneducated eye as contributing to it in certain cases. So we'll see All right moving on pictures of Microsoft's Larry Herb aka major Nelson as you may know him appeared on reddit showing him testing Spotify on The Xbox source told the Verge that such an app is being tested internally and should arrive soon. Oh Well, okay, that's been on the PlayStation for a couple years. So I Don't use Spotify nor do I have an Xbox, but I'm sure there are a lot of happy people out there Now here's some more top stories a new Sharma Lenovo's Indian head of marketing told Gadget 360 that starting with the K8 note Lenovo is gonna start shipping their shows phones with stock Android instead of the vibe you I skin Sharma said the change is due to customer request and should allow for speedier updates Lenovo on Motorola has used mostly stock Android since the launch of the Moto X. I like this trend More more stock installations of Android, please. I love the the explanation, too It was like why what what prompted the change? customers requesting People wanting it and doing since the beginning of Android people hating our UI I you know, I think Samsung and HTC desert next end are the only skins that I hear people Defending saying oh no, they do a better job of this and that. Yeah Moving on coinbase has decided to support the bitcoin fork bitcoin cash by January 1st of next year Customers with bitcoin stored at coinbase will be able to withdraw bitcoin cash And where the fork occurred on august 1st holders of bitcoin became able to claim an equivalent amount of bitcoin cash If exchanges supported it now coinbase has not decided whether or not to support bitcoin cash trading May happen may not coinbase only supports trading for bitcoin ethereum and litecoin currently Uh, I a lot of people have said ah coinbase has changed their mind on the bitcoin cash fork I don't see it that way to me. This looks like coinbase saying All right fine We get it that you're upset that you should have let's say you have five bitcoin stored with coinbase You should also have five bitcoin cash at this point. We're gonna let you have those cash We're not gonna stop you from having that so you can withdraw it and do whatever you want with it But we're not going to get into trading yet yet coinbase This move seems like a way to appease some of its customers and keep them from withdrawing their bitcoins Right, but not encouraging the fork, which I feel like they're pretty firmly against It's hard to keep track of cryptocurrency in general That's that's my you know, but I I actually belong to the slack channel. That's all about crypto it actually started as like a just a regular nerd channel now all we do is talk about cryptocurrency and um So they're they're uh folks in that channel that that followed this a little bit more closely than I do But I mean it changes on the dime, doesn't it? Yeah, uh on a coin on a bitcoin on a crypto coin on a bitcoin cash coin On the day Yeah, sorry about that I just couldn't resist. Um, I I think it's still too early to to tell about bitcoin cash I have not converted my bitcoin to bitcoin cash yet Although there's no hurry, right? I mean coinbase is even saying we're not going to do this till january 1st because The because the lead two ledgers are the same up until august 1st If your coins are sitting there in the ledger, they'll sit there forever Even if you get rid of them in bitcoin, they'll still be there for bitcoin cash So there really isn't a rush for it and especially if there are questions of stability I mean, yeah, you know, I mean it can't hurt to get them But I don't know if I want to go to the trouble until I'm certain that they're actually worth getting I mean right now they're still trading for a couple hundred bucks. So Facebook announced it's using its open source cafe to deep learning framework to perform more than four and a half billion Translations a day on facebook all machine translation models at facebook have now been changed from phrase based Which translates individual words or sometimes phrases to neural models Which can translate a whole block of text at once so the neural model can tell context It can it can do things like account for your typos just a all in all a better translation Sure, and I think it it can also better be able to translate things like slang in particular languages that that phrase based learning Had not done well before this is this is actually kind of interesting I have a friend who lives in belgium and he didn't really speak english and my french is not great and we don't really use facebook to communicate but google translate quite a bit and google translate as I believe switch over to a neural network earlier this year as well and You know in the past half the time my sentence he'd go I don't know what you're saying even though supposedly it was all in french. So this this is it's great You know you can truly Communicate with somebody a little bit better without knowing the language at all more and more all the time Yeah, and I didn't realize there were that many translations happening on facebook I mean a lot of this would just be somebody shares a story Let's say in spanish and you're like what's that headline in english and stuff like that and there's so many people on facebook I guess it shouldn't surprise me, but This is the kind of thing that helps machine learning get better when you have data sets to work on that are that large too Exactly the u.s senate voted 94 to 1 So by a landslide to pass a bill that would allow consumers to purchase certain classes of hearing aids Without a prescription the bill now heads to the president to sign and he's expected to sign it The loosening of the restrictions is expected to lower prices of hearing aids by allowing for easier competition Now critics say people may not seek medical examinations And misjudge their own hearing needs if they don't have to go to a specialist You know the what what I don't know much about hearing aids because thankfully I don't need them yet But apparently a single hearing aid and a lot of people with hearing loss need too is $2,300 On average, yeah, they could be thousands of dollars More than I thought it would be uh, so yeah, I don't know I feel like hearing aids should be free quite frankly But this seems like a step in a really good direction Well, first of all, let's just remark that I think this is the second time in a couple months That we've had a tech story that the u.s congress has voted on almost unanimously Belying this idea that they never can agree on anything apparently there are a couple things they can agree on And this is a good one that yeah, I know right that that should be news right there but I I I get the opposition to this. I'm mostly in favor of it. I understand that When you go to an audiologist when you go to the doctor, they can tell you Do I need a hearing aid or do I just have like severe wax buildup? I've I've had that before my doctor's like you want me to clean that up for you? And I'm like, oh wow, I can I didn't notice but I can hear better Uh without that so and and and you want to get the calibration to say this is the kind of hearing aid You need this is the amount. You don't want it to be too loud that can damage your hearing I want it to be too softer than you're wasting your money. Uh, so yes, you should seek a doctor, but They're so darn expensive That that I think allowing it to be easier for companies to market them and get them on the on on the shelves So the prices come down is super important It's also, you know, I doubt that there's a whole lot of hearing aid abuse going on the way that You know FDA approved drugs might you know, it makes a lot of sense So you've got to go get a prescription and a doctor has to say yes, you really need this so that you don't You know turn into some sort of an addict. It's like I don't I've never heard of a case where somebody was abusing a hearing aid for the wrong reason And the FDA is still going to be governing the labeling of these things. Yeah So I I think it's a good compromise to say Let's make sure That what's on the shelf that you can buy is properly labeled so that you as an educated consumer can find the right thing And then it's on you to you know, and your doctor to make sure that you're getting the right thing But it you know, it's a matter of how much do you trust people to make good decisions? Not everybody's going to make the right decision That's that's the cost of it But I think to me bringing the price down from $7,000 $2,000 to what they expect to be less than a couple hundred dollars in a lot of cases and Allowing for more innovation and when we heard recently about apple and the cochlear implant That they're they're they're allowing to work with the iphone Imagine if you didn't have to do implanted devices if you could have a lot of other accessories that could work with smartphones and things like that That could be huge. So I I think it's worth trying and obviously most of congress agrees Yeah, hear the world Speaking of hearing aids scientists at columbia engineering published a study in the journal of neural engineering Describing a system that combines a little mind reading sort of with ai to create a hearing aid that can focus on one Particular speaker. That's one common complaint with hearing aids is they make everything loud And and as a human speaker Yeah, yeah, and it becomes hard for me to to actually pick out The person i'm trying to listen to this system uses a deep neural network again to separate speakers in a stream of audio It's able to identify. Okay. That's a particular speaker. That's a particular speaker That's something that really the human mind is best at it's been difficult to get computers to do this So they're a that's that's their big innovation here is being able to separate out the human speakers And then combine that with a monitor of your neural processes to match When the speaker you're focusing on Is the one that they've identified by the neural network and then amplified just that speaker See that's where it exists. That's where this becomes like magic to me Yeah, because it's reading what someone's brain is thinking without them Somehow, you know pointing a You know a a pointer at the speaker say this is the person i want to listen to it's uh, that's that's incredible Yeah, and now granted for for the purposes of the of the study They were using an invasive technique. And so this is not an off-the-shelf thing right now There is a non-invasive technique that they discuss in the paper It's a long way to go before you can make something that even even with you know a doctor's help That you could use but it it's practical It is it is something they can do that You just got to do the work to to make it easy for for people to implement. But the technology works You know, I was at a uh, like a like a birthday party at a loud mexican restaurant recently and and uh friends like new girlfriend came and She's sitting there and sort of looking around smiling and not really saying anything And I thought she's not having a good time and later on he goes she has bad hearing and she can't She can't hear anybody in a situation like that where it's loud and a bunch of people are talking This would be perfect for her. This would help. Yeah Yeah Uh folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com It's available as a podcast at daily tech headlines dot com on the amazon echo Which we're like this close to launching in the uk We've got the us version and a couple people are testing it out in the uk and it seems to be working So hopefully by next week that happens. Uh, also the anchor app has it and through the anchor app You can get it on the google home. Uh, so check that out All right for our main topic I want to talk a little bit about gene m twangs article on the atlantic called have smartphones destroyed a generation Oh, have they ever i'm gonna assume that uh Gene m twang did not write the headline uh because her article is actually much more measured than that She is a professor of psychology at san diego state university the authorization of generation me and i gen she's a mother of three children and She did a lot of research into finding out. Okay What is the effect of smartphones on this generation that has grown up never knowing A world without smartphones Uh, and this is something that kind of blew my mind when I started thinking about it I'm like, oh, right, you know, I think of the millennials is like, oh millennials They they never knew a world without the internet, right? These are there are people who are in their teens now who who's always had smartphones in their lives Sure She defines this generation as being born between 1995 and 2012 So these are people who when they were getting into high school the first iphone came out gosh. Can you imagine that? Uh, this you know, it's interesting because uh, some of these stats are I guess they're not so surprising because I hear especially from friends who are teachers Oh, you know, you got to figure out, you know how how to keep the kids off their phones and to not cheat during tests and to Pay attention and all that stuff and I just kind of go like oh my gosh. See I didn't have a phone until college Yeah, when you know, you know, I got my first cell phone which was A huge motorola, but I got my first cell phone in 1999 well For me it was probably about 1996 Uh, yeah, I was kind of you know, I felt like I was real cool at the forefront of technology But you know, I it wasn't it wasn't a smartphone. That's for sure. You know, you made calls and that's all you did but uh now apparently In 2012 the percentage of us own uh owning Of this age group owning a smartphone past 50 percent So that's no that's for everybody like that's the entire population past 50 percent And then if you're studying the generation as you mentioned tom between 1999 1995 and 2012 Three quarters of teens in the u.s. Own an iphone now that surprises me I would have for sure thought it would be an android phone because They're cheaper an android phone for a lot cheaper But I'm you know, they might be getting the free iphone with service, uh, which which you can get Or yeah, we're Couple generations out out, but uh, you know, if if I've got a child Who's demanding an iphone and I go and I'm like well, I can get this one for free. So at least they'll have an iphone, right? That that could explain that number does seem high to me too Well, it's kind of it's kind of like, you know, my friend in high school that had a Mercedes But it was like a really beat up 98 Mercedes with the bumper falling off. So it's like sounds cool, but it wasn't really very fancy So 12th graders in 2015 Uh, we're going out less often than eighth graders did as recently as 2009 This is one of the stats that gene twang, uh, was looking at only about 56 percent of high school seniors in 2015 went out on dates For baby boomers and gen xers that number was about 85 percent Also fewer teens working and not in the 1970s 77 percent of high school seniors worked In 2010s that's become 55 percent of high school seniors Now some of this is maybe not attributable to smartphones. Some of it is Uh, but she's saying even if it doesn't have to do with smartphones The fact that you've got people going out less means they're spending time Alone with their phone And that's having some positive effects. It's having some negative effects. So in the positive side, uh, because They're putting off getting driver's licenses. I remember when I was a kid like you wanted a driver's license the minute you could get it kids are Kind of being nagged by their parents to get a driver's license so the parents can stop driving them around But that means you're less likely to be in a car accident I'm not wanting a driver's license on my 16th birthday, but one in 14s Do not have a driver's license at the end of high school in the u.s I I don't know how smart, you know, I don't know how you link that to smartphones except maybe it's just You want to you you want and need to get out less because you've got everything at your fingertips And you can sit on your couch or in your bedroom or at a friend's house or something like that Yeah, it's anecdotal But fewer car accidents because of that fewer alcohol related ills happening in this this teen group Again, because they're they're staying in more often number of sexually active teens has been cut by almost 40 percent since 1991 That means the teen birth rate hit an all-time low in 2016 down 67 percent since its modern peak I remember when I was in high school The angst parents had how how can we teach kids abstinence? How can we teach kids, you know to be safe and responsible apparently give them smartphones Now is this, you know not to get too graphic or anything But is this because of the stuff that you can find on the internet now that might satisfy teens? Interests now. I don't know. I mean it's got to be part of it, right? It could be But you could make an argument that that might make them more willing to experiment with the real thing True. So I don't know. I don't know The one thing that she can say is that teen depression has risen since 2011 And the amount of unhappiness the teen self reports Correlates to screen time now now she's very careful to say we don't know that it's causation Maybe because you're depressed you go use your phone more But she says it is significant and there have been a little bit of work With college students saying that those who stop using facebook or or or report less use of facebook Have have actually seen their mood improve Versus those who don't so there may be something to it. There needs to be more research that done there though The number of the amount of times That that people spend as a teen with their friends on a daily basis has dropped 40 percent between 2000 and 2015 and since 2017 The homicide rate among teens has declined which that's a good thing But the suicide rate has increased and in fact in 2011 the suicide rate amongst teens passed homicide for the first time And 57 percent more teens were sleep deprived in 2015 than in 1991 Again, which could be attributed to some of the findings that looking at a phone before you go to sleep Causes you to to have more sleep You know before the show I kind of made a joke like this sounds like me Maybe I'm a millennial, but you know the negatives I actually it actually I think resonates with With certainly with me even though I'm quite out of this age group Um, not so much, you know depression necessarily, but it's true that People like to uh offer up their best self on social networks, particularly on the internet And it can make other people feel inferior. I think we've all felt that way You know, somebody's having a great vacation. I go, I wish I was there. Hmm their life is so perfect Right because you've you you may be in a in a disaster zone But you find the one palm tree with a blue sky behind you to take your selfie, right? And it looks great Exactly And we've also heard about bullying online and suicides that uh have come about because of that and you know, again, it's it's it's you know Being bullied can happen anywhere, but it's just so much easier to reach people this way and You are um You are, you know, still very malleable and susceptible to Oh, yeah, you know the the escape from bullying used to be going home If you're in your bedroom with your phone on facebook instagram and snapchat and you can't pull yourself away Uh, you can be excluded 24 hours a day seven days a week Exactly the sleep to fight just the sleep deprived part of this You know, it makes perfect sense to me. I think we've all uh stayed up a little too late You know playing around on whatever or actually doing real work on the internet and going like holy crap. It's 5 a.m What happened? Yeah, just because it's addictive and it's a time waster at times And it can get away from you. So that doesn't surprise me and also there's you know, there's that whole um, You know the the type of light, you know, that's actually hitting your face Lighters of the orange. Yeah, it's actually kind of screwing up your circadian rhythms too. It could be could be yeah I I look at this and I think That You know and I and I feel like she's very careful to say hey this this is correlation We don't have causation yet, but there is good reason to suspect there might be causation And so we should study it and be careful with it I think This is interesting because this is the first generation That has ever grown up with smartphones. Therefore the parents don't have like well when I was young Here's how I dealt with this kind of isolation. This is how I dealt with online bullying Hey, let me make sure that you're not spending too much time on social networks. Let me advise you as a good parent You know ways to manage your social networks because we don't know none of us know We haven't existed in this world before and a lot of parents don't use social networks And if they do they certainly don't use them in the same way as teens when these teens get older though And to a certain extent millennials now as parents can say, oh, yes, I know what you're going through I was there too and I think that that will help a lot But right now like everything that's new like when we were looking at cable television and mtv growing up Parents are like, I don't I don't understand. There used to be only three channels. What is this? Yeah, I mean That's exactly that is exactly the comparison that I could make is When I was growing up there was only so much tv I was allowed to watch and there were only certain kinds of shows that I was allowed to watch You know unless my parents weren't home or something And that was just the rule because they felt like it would rot my brain, you know if there was too much of it but Social networks aren't like that. You know if you if you're Okay, let's say I'm a parent and I say you can only be on facebook for two hours a day And then I'm going to take away your phone and then you don't have access to it anymore When they get it back. There's all these messages that they can catch up on It's not as if it's a television show. That's either you're either watching it or I hadn't even thought of that You're causing stress by making them miss out too Yeah, because then you got to catch up Yeah, and then it's like I missed this when it was in real time and I hate your mom and it's a whole night I just want to add this like Being online, I don't think it's specifically smartphones. I think it is connected apps specifically social networking and messaging apps is that That's kind of where children today at least in that cohort that's described in the article is socializing Right back in my day. We socialized before school During recess after school and on the weekends, but they were they were because of physical distance, right? You couldn't just hop over to your friend's house whenever you wanted to till you got a car, right? Until all these other things that we we reminisce about Um, it's so much faster so much quicker And I think a lot of that depression is that it's very easy to feel isolated online And I think that's and this is my this is my this is my totally uneducated objective view Is that because it's so easily you getting the highs are much quicker We getting the lows are much quicker as well. And so you kind of have um A group of of children who may not understand emotionally what's happening like why they feel like all this This this is the end of the world. I have no more friends And the impulse might be to like limit their time take away the social take away the phones But what you really need is guidance and that's really difficult for a parent who's like, I don't understand I think you need guidance, but I also think you need to give them And i'm going to try this with mike. You don't see how successful I am alternative Additional ways to socialize beyond the phone. Yes. Yeah, that's the kind of guys i'm talking about is like Hey, don't limit yourself. Let's let's find other ways It's it's not so much limiting the phone. It's more about opening up options. Hey, you love sports There's a great, you know team that meets up every weekend at the soccer field or I was thinking of even like Encourage your your children and their friends online to schedule meetups with each other online So you're you're using what they're already using to foster what you're talking about I think there's also there's a there's a sort of layers of context that uh become problematic Particularly when you're young, but it could happen at any age really It's like Yeah, if I was 16 years old and someone had a birthday party and I wasn't invited I'd be bummed about it. You know, I wish I was invited. Why didn't I get invited? Well now there's 400 pictures on facebook everybody's tags everybody's smiling having a great time It's like i'm going to feel so much worse because it's just like in my face so much more But facebook was designed to do that, you know, you're supposed to you're supposed to You know be categorizing everything I think there's and you know what I think there's kind of uh, I wouldn't say flaw but a kind of a fallacy And implied in that in that to be successful. You need a lot of friends Right and as we've known we know people in our lives and me myself personally that growing up I didn't actually have a lot of friends people I would go over to their house or they would call me like at most maybe five or six But nothing beyond that right everyone else was just sort of an acquaintance or a classmate someone they Maybe talked to about a test or or a subject, but I wasn't like, uh, we're real friends You know, let's change clothes or or share jackets or something weird I don't know Yes, right But I think I think the by watching that there's kind of an implied message that person is so successful Look how many friends They get to their that goes that goes back to what I'm saying about guidance is that you know Some of the best moments of parenting that I experienced as a child was my grandparents sitting me down and going Hey, that thing you think it was important. It's not important Right and and you need somebody trusted to tell you like hey Having the most friends on facebook is not the most important thing now kids may or may not listen But right now it's it's not something that parents naturally are going to think to say in a lot of cases It's interesting because I remember one Let me say speech talk that my counselor gave me it's like, you know I tell this to all these graduates dudes one of the things you really need to be comfortable with is yourself And being able to live with yourself, you know be by yourself alone like having social time But being understanding how to be constructive and how to be Um, you know how to have a normal behavior when you're by yourself, right? So you're not always constantly needing Other people it's not to say that you shove people out of the way. It's that you don't need a constant person by your side 24-7, right? There were big stretches of time and I had a roommate who had very very A very long and difficult period because he just had very Deep-seated issues about not being constantly surrounded by other people, right? And so it's like dude, you got to learn how to be able to Kind of do your own thing and be happy with it not to feel like oh, this is this is what losers do Or I don't have any friends. That's what I'm by myself It's like no it's not everyone's schedule syncs up and not everything works out So you're always constantly with your friends. Sometimes you just need to be with yourself those kind of things Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and facebook.com Groups slash daily tech news show couple emails Robert from sunny san diego is on it He says hey tom sarah and len quick note on apple scrambling to release the next iphone Having been in commercial tech manufacturing for almost a decade. I can attest to one fact Even the slightest change to a product can have unanticipated results That they might be having difficulties with minor changes to the iphone is no more surprising than any problem They might have with major changes long story short if apple scrambling It really tells us nothing about their kind of changes to come and sarah lane. I miss you sarah lane in all caps Thank you Probably it's a really cool project going on that I was unaware of maybe tom will be chivalrous enough to allow You to tell us about it for once, you know can tom just be chivalrous Well, uh, thank you very much. Um, do we want to address the iphone as you first? You know, I uh, I'm excited about the iphone eight because My seven plus has a cracked screen. You can't really see it, but it does My six plus did as well should probably get a case one of these days So I'm gonna get it and I hope it's not delayed. That's all I can say about that Yeah, there will be one Uh, whether it's whether it's the one that's been rumored Whether it's the one apple originally intended is a whole different thing Uh, but yeah, I I will try to be chivalrous and let you talk about what's going on Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Uh, so Well, I'm I think you would call me a sort of an independent host and producer at this point I'm working on a new podcast actually I tweeted about it the other day actually and I'm really excited about it And I'm it's a behind the scenes thing. I'm producing it for for someone else And we're still in our infancy. So we're not totally ready to launch the whole thing yet We've got some stuff to do, but it's going to be a lot of fun. It's an audio podcast So you wouldn't see me anyway, but you might hear me pop up every now and then So that's what I've been working on most recently I'm also working on a feature film called baby gangsta You might have seen me post about it on facebook if you haven't you can go and and uh and And see some highlights some behind the scenes stuff. We shot some footage recently Totally different arena for me. I've never worked on a movie. Certainly not this closely before and um It's uh, it's a sort of a departure from from the tech stuff that I do every now and then which has been Uh, really refreshing uh life in LA. What can I say? Fantastic. Uh, I hope this means that you have more time to show up here too Any time this is super fun. I had a great time Twitter.com slash sarah lane or about dot me slash sarah lane if you want to keep up with what sarah's up to Len Peralta, what have you been up to this episode? Well, you know, um, I wanted to chime in But I thought it might be best for me to hold off till the very end of this You know, of course those who know me know that I have a lot of children right now I've got four teenagers that are going through sort of what this is all Talking about with the smartphone and stuff like that. I actually have a Sophomore in high school who is who this drawing is based on sort of not entirely But he has a problem with screen time But the one thing that got me in that article was the Talk about, you know people, you know, how they feel alone how they feel left out And that's what this sort of this image sort of talks to, you know Using the facebook like it's asked does anyone like me really a lot of times I feel alone I off feel left out. I wish I had more real friends. I don't like feeling this way I don't like feeling alone. Do you follow using the little follow thing when you reach out to me Or you just let me like like like like wow that is so good There's a sad face on the bottom Yeah, you know, uh, some of the things that we've done just real quickly is is Do what roger was saying is is give them other options like we have game nights And we're setting them up the other phone, you know things where you know, we can get them out To do things or you know, and you know, some kids are a little bit better than others And need a little more guidance and a little more help with their with with managing their free time So so that's an important thing to know as you're moving into Uh, uh taking care of teenagers and beyond as well. So Uh, but anyway, this this image is available at my online store lennproppstore.com Uh, you can also back me at patreon patreon.com forward slash lenn at the dts lover level and you can get this Immediately, uh as a digital file. So there you go. Well, I just liked this on twitter. Uh, I don't know We'll kind of irony that is but um, it's really it's really beautiful image Yeah, go look at this. Uh, anybody who's at all interested in that topic that we were talking about today Go go take a look at lemperall at the store.com. Uh, just to see it That's uh, it's really well done lenn. Nice. Thank you. Nicely done. Thank you so much Hey, thanks to everybody who gives a little value back to this show for the value they get from it It's why we're able to do it that includes travis height bill bagwell Willem reiner's tay and many many more if you're someone who's helping us out on patreon or paypal Or in any other way give yourself a pat on the back And thank you for making it possible at patreon.com slash dts Our email addresses feedback at daily tech news show dot com. We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern 2030 utc at alphageek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and our website is daily tech news show dot com Back on monday with veronica belmont. Talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Yeah, good show That was awesome. That was fun. Yeah, great art lenn. Just oh, thanks Thanks. It actually looks like a um a book cover Like yeah, yeah, well, I've been doing a lot of those this summer But this um, yeah, you know, it's it's funny the uh, this is actually sort of based on my my sophomore age son not that he's as bad as this but Yeah, you know, it can it can get uh, he you know, it's like some days I'm like, I don't even see him till he comes around. It's time to eat something It's like, what have you been doing? You've been on your phone the whole day like, you know, why don't we do something? Why don't we get out but I figured let's give him the summer off He's gonna have a lot of things coming up when school starts in a couple weeks and It's like he's of the age, you know, I mean, I guess you gotta pick your battles, you know, I mean like If for kids for people to have teenagers and things like that, it's it's it's it's it's not only uh working with them And being involved in their lives as much as you can but also kind of giving them the chance to just sort of like Chill out and be on the phone and stuff like that as long as it's as long as you kind of keep like a Like you understand kind of where they're at and and and you can you're not completely in the dark about their lives I think that's it's one thing that nor the universal principles of good parenting that you espoused right there whether For for the for the phone or whatever the next AR headset that all the kids are wearing or whatever comes down the pike, right? Yeah, yeah, and it's it's it's pretty important to yeah, I mean it's it's it's a constant battle and it's kind of struggle and But hopefully Hopefully though, you know, they won't go off the deep end It's hard though, man. These kids they're I mean they're living their lives I was talking to my son my older son last night like how you know like what how do you interact with in instagram? Because I was watching him like on instagram and he just goes like like like like like like like he's just liking fixtures Like what is your criteria for liking something like what is it? He's like, I don't know if I just like it I'm like, yeah, but what is that like? I don't understand it like are you curating something like what is so it's just kind of like a different Mindset as to how they're approaching smartphones and things like I can't imagine. I mean I find myself like oh, that's Eileen's friend started a korean beauty instagram I'm gonna like it right just to show support and then suddenly my instagram feed is full of korean beauty That was nice It and it also Messes up your explore tab, you know, if that's a place that you want to hang out I have yeah, there there are people that I I know for whatever reason where it's like again It's sort of it's a it's a it's a polite like I'm gonna go ahead and follow you It's the polite And and you know my explore tab now. I'm like, what are all these classic cards? Oh We've got some amazing titles here. Yeah, we have millennials phoned it in generation text The novelty stock of android Can you hear me now and not him? Back in my day ellipses lame of phones all about crypto It changes on the bit dime doctors approval unwarranted for hearing aids Uh smartphone prone right here right now right here right now Um, I like left to their phone devices actually left to their phone devices phone devices That's a cool one. Yeah want to cry savior wants to cry I think we kind of did something like that yesterday Yeah, that feels left over somehow. Well smartphone generation hear us A generation of our phone making I'll vote for that. I'll get that one Our own making a generation of our own making because it rhymes. Okay. Yes Got it Hey speaking of kids and everything actually my daughter my youngest daughter is going to leave on a farm this weekend And she's downstairs. So I gotta say goodbye. Oh, she hasn't left yet. Okay. Yeah, no, no She hasn't left. So I hear them downstairs. So I'm gonna say well tell her that we said have a great time Yes, I will I will make sure you never stand behind a horse. It's a very bad Very dangerous very dangerous. Sarah. It's great seeing you again. Take care. I'm seeing you too Uh, you gotta come on on fridays fridays is when I'm here. So if you can make it on fridays, that's the fun day Hey, you know Honestly, any time I'm free and I'm happy to join this is it's like old times again. It feels good. Yeah Excellent. All right via zactar. Take care everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye Do you think for the title? um You liked millennial millennials phone it in No, I liked left to their phone devices Millennials phone it in is missing on two parts. One is it's not about millennials. It's about the generation younger than them And then phoning it in kind of feels like it's more critical. This is I think this I like I like a generation of our phone making but Left to their phone They're both from dark redeemer. So it's not we're gonna offend them Do you like any of these sarah? um my The my slack channel folks are like you talked about us Or someone someone in the group was watching anything. That's funny. Hi Hi showbot.tv if you want to see the titles Which one did you like generation of our phone making as rogers? I like uh, see that one's so clever that I didn't get it And you had to explain it to me. So I don't know. I like um Which one did I like left to their phone devices? Yeah Could you spell it like? phow n like pwn Was that just too much? I think that might confuse it even more. Okay. All right, fine Because then people think well, they're pawning devices right. Yeah. Yeah left to their phone devices is pretty good. All right I mean that was the discussion story anyway Yeah, yeah It was it was indeed All right done left to their phone devices and darker demer who submitted 3412 titles all of them good Is the author of that one? Coinbase to customers fork you I didn't see that one. That's hilarious Well, but they're not really well It's you know, I guess we didn't make it clear when we were talking about teens. These are not millennials I I see a couple of these headlines are like millennials doing this. I'm like, mm-hmm No, these are younger than millennials. There's really no settled name for them. I I see them called generation z Sometimes what happens? You know, I may have I accidentally said millennial when I was But yeah, that's true. I mean millennials are 20 somethings, right? Yeah, the millennials are sometimes the parents of these kids Millennials are should be in their late 20s or early 30s Right Gen y is the same as millennials, right? Yeah, but they changed that term because millennial was a broader and so the next the next generation we're talking about is gen z Who is they anyway? Who makes up these terms? You know, right? They're all that show up in the international consortium of Yeah, it's like top level domain for age groups There should be a a working group to name the generation There's always a name for them, but they always come after that that cohort sort of starts Well, it's funny. Yeah, because because we were called boom boomlets or we were called No, we weren't echoes were we boomer? We weren't echoes Yeah, but there were a bunch of names until generation x caught and then that became the name And I was already the next generation was generation y just because it was after x until millennials came along Exactly So are you a millennial or a gen y? Who? Oh lucy I was like, well, I thank you sarah, but I'm neither Generation app. You see my cat is 10. So I guess she's you know, she's yeah She's never known a life without smartphones either. That's right. She's she's a gen z. She's right in the demo Generation insecure I don't know I like the i gen but then that I stuff kind of sounds The whole fashion. Yeah, so I was like an old man Them rock and roll kids So why during the show could I not see program out? Or is that just not something that we see anywhere? What do you mean? Uh, you know like as we switched back and forth between our cameras Well, so the way google google hangout works is automatically switches to ever stocking but my mind didn't do that It didn't switch to land on me when we were talking Wait, who do you see right now on the screen? Well, first of all, I wasn't really watching it because I was looking at the the script Well, that would be why then because you're looking at it Wait, but but I am now What are you looking at on the screen? What shows up on your uh, the google hangout screen for you right now? Well, it's you if I click on your little don't click on the squares Well, but I don't you know, it's if you click on say tom's face his face will show up All the time So what you want to do is make sure none of those faces in the corner are selected That way like but like I you know one of them always was since we connected So is there a white square or a white border around any of the faces? Well, there's one around me because I've selected myself. So don't select yourself the google hangout will auto select Motherf so all I had to do was click again. All right. Now. I know That would be why I don't hang out and google hangouts all that often But you know, it was actually good because it's it can be a little distracting anyway. Um To be you know seeing yourself. So yeah, it was it was fun. I just I was like, I know that there's a way that I've done that before too where I've accidentally clicked on something I forgot Yeah Oh, dark redeemer says the next generation will be generation poop emoji Oh I think a generation that seems a little critical of the generation frankly But I think an emoji as the name of a of a generation is as a probability What's the um, what's their one drug? What's the generator? What's the group in japan that are like total shut-ins like they never come out of their rooms I didn't know that that or what? No, I've heard of this, but I don't know what the name of it is It's It's not like uh, you know somebody who has agoraphobia. It's like a lifestyle Yeah They're not shut-ins is the wrong word because that that is a clinical that can be used in a clinical sense But these are people who are just like, yeah, I don't really want to go out. Okay. So it's like hiki hiki come Hickey. Oh mori Literally pulling inward being confined are reclusive adolescents or adults withdraw from social life Often seeking extremes degrees of isolation and confinement. Thank you krug interesting What generation will roger sees kid be called generation awesome Generation winners Wins all the way now. I'm gonna do this typical chinese parenting thing and Brow beat them throughout life. So they'll have a healthy healthy cynical view of their self-image Do you need to brow beat them or is that genetic? That's just that's just what happens What you got a 98 on this test whatever the other two points 99 Your cousin got 900. How come you didn't because I'm not my cousin Ha ha My parents Were pretty strict about that stuff But it was it was more like a's and b's they didn't look at the person they didn't look at scores They just expected a's and if I didn't get an a that was a disappointment Disappointed me Tom. I remember um Uh, yeah a's a's and b's were the only thing that were acceptable in my house You know, we're gonna have a problem But I remember going to college where it's like, you know, you don't love at home and you know, you just kind of like Your parents aren't like getting coffees or your report cards. You know, I remember I got a c in a you know You know a class that I had taken that like I thought I would like and I just ended up not really liking it You know, it's like passing it was an elective or something, you know, I'm thinking like god I got away with murder Yeah, oh I the few times I got sees I was afraid Uh to to let my parents know because I knew and they were they were angry bees were like well, you can do better We're not gonna be mad, but you were disappointed. Yeah um C's were like time to sit down and have a serious conversation You wouldn't be satisfied in your life Tom. There was there were no sees in my in fact I remember friends, you know d's and f's that's a whole other thing But like friends who were kind of like sees across the board and I was like your parents like Aren't mad and they were like it's average Yeah, we're just fed in No, I lived in deathly fear of getting a d. I didn't know what would happen if I ever got a d I understood the purpose of the d. It's like to me. It just seemed like a Like a folks your way of saying you flunked Like well, no We had an f2 failed, but you're below average. Yeah, which is just it's almost worse It just seems like after c is just like, yeah, like there was just a giant like well, there's no coming back for that And and they defined f I remember in the 70s They changed f because it went on my report card from being flunk fail failure to being Something else needs improvement. It was flunk. Oh, no, I know what it was. Yeah, you're right They changed it from f to i Uh, yeah for a brief period of time in elementary school. It became you get an i Which meant needs improvement Oh or improvement needed I guess because it was I And there was also, uh, again, this is college You weren't allowed to do this in high school But it was like if you started a class and you were like, oh, I don't know I don't feel super confident that I'm gonna do well. You could choose to Pass or fail rather than get the grade. I remember that that was college though, right? It was and it gave you um It was like you you You got fewer points like elective, you know towards graduation But it could save you from basically getting a really bad grade because it didn't all you had to do was pass. Yeah Oh, I should have did that. I tried to drop my uh, philosophy of physics class It was totally not what I thought it would be and I just so bored I had to write all these papers I didn't care about. Yeah, I I definitely made some mistakes I at one point I I don't know like maybe I wanted to like Have a free gym membership or something and so I took like a physical physical class I remember like running around the track and just being like, this is a nightmare. You know, why am I several coaching strategies classes Uh, which I later felt like I was cheating because it was just teaching you about sports And I already do about sports cooking strategies coaching Coaching coaching like it was too much No coaching like coaching of baseball coaching of volleyball Coaching of basketball. Tell them to do this and see if they do it. Yeah. Yeah, there were kinesiology Classes that sounds kind of fun. They were they were super fun Uh kimberley the texas teacher wrote in about our discussion of ethics of friendship between creators or creator reviewers on wednesday And she said you hit it on the head transparency I love the different levels of geeking out you all do with different guests Not as much on dts, but cord killers brian practically bounces out of a seat sword and laser current geek weird things, etc I feel I have a window into this cool creative community and love how you all help each other out when you all disagree It's professional and respectful You all seem to seek out different viewpoints on many various subjects and you keep it about the ideas not personal attacks I've actually suggested east meets west to my high school social studies history government teacher friends As an example for students in how to discuss issues with respect Wow, we do that respectfully, I guess so Man that must be a complete like block of tofu at parties. It must be the most most un uh Passionate dispassionate person All right. Well, we're going to finish our broadcast day. Uh, thanks everybody for watching Goodbye