 Hello everyone and welcome back to enter the ether of the podcast all about the upcoming third-person mobile ethereal clash of souls I'm your host the man goose and oh my god. Is that the real jelly knees? Hey, it's me. Hi. What's up guys? What's up jelly? How you bid not much? You know now that I am now that this is the official podcast right of the community it is and now I'm officially UG jelly Right, I mean now with the official official podcasts, right? Because now we've got a dev technically on on yeah, jelly's jelly's on the team now When does when do I start getting paid what? But yeah, no, so that's been exciting, but with us today We have a moderator from the community discord and he's here for a reason not just because he's a moderator But we've got astro with us. What's up astro? Hey guys doing today? Doing well good get to have you on here. We talked to you a lot, but uh We talk about you a lot too. Yeah behind your back mostly I've been watching But yeah, we're gonna talk a lot about some different stuff today We have been play testing the game a lot of guys that might take a few of you by surprise and UG has actually cleared us to talk about a little bit of it more than I Expected them to I didn't I expected to be able to say that we were testing it But we're allowed to talk about our experience a little bit and we're gonna do that today But we're also going to talk about the the NFTs that have been going on like the weird alternate Funding method that they're using with the trading cards. So Jelly I UG jelly by the way jelly. How does that work with the tinfoil task force because Now you know everything We're not gonna talk about it Stand by stand by But do like you said the NFTs as of recording the NFTs go on sale in about an hour As of airing the NFTs sale would have ended like 12 hours ago, so Hopefully lots of money was made for UG right like that's the that's the hope for this is that they can get a ton of funding Through this process of selling these NFTs on atomic hub and all those cool things Overall for those of you that don't know what NFTs are and what UG is doing They did a sale for 24 hours it starts it started on Sunday night and it went to Monday night for 24 hours that they're selling these They're called non-fungible tokens which are digital assets that you can own Whether it be a photo a video music art whatever it's whatever it is They can be a whole bunch of things, but you own this digital asset and you pay money for it and can trade it with people So in UG's case, they're kind of creating a small trading card system Out of these NFTs that they've got multiple tiers think like shiny Pokemon cards versus regular Pokemon cards very kind of similar to that That they will have a limited number of packs I believe the numbers like 46,000 packs of these cards available and Once they're sold out or once the 24 hours is up. That's it. That's as many exist as exist in the world So if I buy an NFT and I get the best Acheron NFT the tier 3 and Astro says I really want that he can I really want that something for it. Hey look at that. He said it He can trade me for it in and whatever that may be he may trade me another NFT He may trade me money. He may trade me cryptocurrency something among those lines Yeah, that's the general gist about NFTs and what ethereal is doing with them But man goose I'd love to hear your thoughts on the whole shebang Well, I think NFTs really are just a continuation of just art trading just I mean it's the value is whatever people place on it not What it is like Like I was my comparison is like the Mona Lisa like if you could Anybody can own a print of the Mona Lisa, but there's only one original and that one is the one that's worth a whole lot with the NFTs there's like a digital signature sort of that Classifies them as the original so when you have that you have I Don't know I Guess digital trail not a paper trail that shows that it was the original and it's more of a way for as more of an Investment opportunity than anything like it's cool that they're doing these trading cards and everything like that But I think a lot of the people that are going to be grabbing up these NFTs are people that just want to invest in something and it's if you think that ethereal is going to take off then it's it's a great investment, but people will just invest in it in any way because People just assign value to worthless things. I think the whole I think it's smart of UG to get into this I think the entire system is dumb as fuck Like like I would never Put my money into this I know a lot of people work will but like I didn't put my money into Bitcoin or dogecoin either And that shit took off and a bunch of people made a bunch of money off of it So just because I think it's stupid doesn't mean that it's not gonna make people money, but you know I think dogecoin is I still think dogecoin is stupid as fuck. It's just Assigning arbitrary value as money as someone who made money from dogecoin dogecoin is stupid 100% there's no question about it wasn't actually made as a joke anyway. It was yeah, it was but I mean But it's I think it's a great way for them to get funding and they're using their art team Which we've already discussed their art teams done like their art is awesome So the art team is not doing anything right now because the main focus is on like animations and visual effects and stuff like that So this is just kind of a way to get their art team employed and moving and doing something And I think our art team is the ones that actually came up with the idea of doing this Yeah, that's my understanding as well is that the art team kind of approached them said this is something We're doing on the side to make money right and we think using the ethereal characters could be a great Like asset that we use the license get promoted on the site itself all these things and do it as an extra thing And out of our free time outside of the work that needs to be done on the game, right like it's There was no work taken away from ethereal to produce these assets Right, I think is a nice thing that they took into consideration go going for this This kind of got announced for them though Like there was somebody found the NFTs on a website and then posted in discord and shit hit the fan Like they got really defensive about it and that set off some red flags for me And I was like, oh, whoa, whoa because I'd never heard of a fucking NFT before any of this So when I saw them them get defensive about it and the way they were defensive about it They were talking about Environmental impact and stuff and I'm like, what the fuck is this? What is going on? So I had to look it up apparently a lot of the NFTs are traded with Bitcoin It doesn't have to be but a vast majority of them are and Bitcoin is known for using a lot of power and having a huge carbon footprint they felt that the black the Lashback from the community would be over the environmental impact of supporting Bitcoin But they're using this wax block chain something or other that has very little environmental impact So they are taking that into consideration They could be making more money if they were using a different system, but they decided to use the more environmentally friendly one So that's cool. So that's why like my red flags went off pretty fucking hard when they got all defensive But it ended up being nothing and I was like, oh, well, this is this is fine Like it's not affecting the game or anything, but then that's my problem. Is it now affects the game in some way? Buying these in of these NFTs these little trading cards. You can actually have one of those as your profile pic in the game Going forward now. They said in the past that they were not going to Take any money for the game itself until they had a gameplay trailer out They're taking money for things that are going to be in the game They don't have a game for gameplay trailer. They kind of went back on Something that they promised us. I don't like that at all. I Think that they should have been accepting funding from the get-go I think they should have had a patreon set up something like that They should have had some way to rely on to to pay people and get the process for producing this game moving Like I understand why they didn't want to accept money because there's a lot of like scam Kickstarter companies out there that just Promise a game take a bunch of money and then the game never comes out and there's nothing anybody can really do about it So that's they wanted to avoid that That stigma of being a game like that. So I completely understand why they weren't taking money I wish they I really wish they were but I also wish that they wouldn't have said that we're not going to take money And then now they're taking money. It's It's what it is I guess I'm not happy about that like at all, but you got to do what you got to do And I'm talking to you jelly since you're a UG member now Yep, I know I think for that in particular right speaking as UG and just as myself Is I think it's a double-edged sword, right? I agree with you that from the get-go They probably should have been getting funding of some kind That setting but I also understand the valiant effort of saying like we don't want to ask you for money until we have something to show But that concept Could be what led us to a three-year development time at the same by the same token So it's that weird kind of double-edged sword of at what point do we need money to do this? Even before we show gameplay so it's it's a hard line-to-toe I but I definitely see where you're coming from on that Frustration of the saying this and then reneging on it And also Leads me to believe that the gameplay trailer does not come I thought the gameplay trailer would be coming fairly soon, but if they're already going back on their word and releasing these NFTs that kind of Indicate that's indicative that the gameplay trailer isn't coming out anytime soon Otherwise, I would have just waited till the gameplay trailer to drop these NFTs Like if the gameplay trailer was a week they could have waited a week and drop the NFTs So it's obviously not going to be a week for now that we get the gameplay trailer Part of the conversation I had with Owen and Kai prior to me joining the team but about the NFTs when they that whole leak situation came out is that the NFT market has the potential to die out anytime Right that as of tomorrow NFTs could be worth. No nobody's into NFTs. It could be like the flavor of the month type deal So they were game-stop earned Say it again. It could be game-stop Yes, so they were concerned that if they waited too long It to try and get this out Even if it was ready to go or not that The flavor could be done and they can't make any money off of that toward the end of helping fund the game Again, I think it's that double-edged sword, right? It's the You said the next thing was the Kickstarter and the gameplay trailer. Here we are, right? So it's it's hard to Balance to be sure that is something that I am working on as part of the team to keep that from happening in the future That is something that I to my core take to the utmost, right? And that that's going in my thought process on like when we say something We have to actually mean that thing It's not we can't just constantly be wishy-washy or not sure or whatever. It's going to be right Yeah, Astro. What are your thoughts on the NFTs? So to touch a little bit on what mangoose was saying regarding them saying oh, we're not gonna take your money, but then flopping that and now it affects the game and in this kind of you know Weird situation where you said one thing but then kind of did another but it's not really a big thing But it still is a thing I can kind of get both sides where it's like Oh, you guys said you weren't gonna do this But now you're doing this but then I also get a lot of people after hearing the about the NFTs We're like there were so many questions of you know, does this affect the game? Can I use this in any way in the game? You know, there were so many questions regarding excuse me regarding What can I do with this other than just have it and I feel like that's a lot of NFTs It's just I have this thing. It's I just have it You know, and it's just kind of like bit most other cryptocurrencies where you just have it for the investment And well, maybe not most other but things like Bitcoin and Ethereum where you have it for the potential asset in the future where they generally increase in value But I understand the reason that they added the whole profile picture things a lot of people like hey I want to be able to do something with this. So I kind of get both sides at first I was really really confused and I was kind of with mangoes and the Extreme red flags of just what the hell is this? Why are they getting so defensive about it? I was really really confused and almost concerned just because I thought it was a scam But before I knew really anything about NFTs But now having looked into it and talked with that with you guys seen a lot of what the community is saying just in general I think it's all around positive and They look great. I mean, I think that's an indisputable Fact is the NFTs they look amazing the art team really outdid themselves in this Yeah, that's just kind of my general thought process regarding it. Yeah Yeah, I was at first off after I looked into it I was Kind of white nighting for them hard and trying to convince people that this isn't such a bad thing But once they had it to where it affects the game in a in a in some way That's when I took a step back was like, okay, wait a second guys I know it seems like a small thing like the profile picture But I was discussing this with you jelly earlier for somebody that's a completionist That wants to collect every profile picture and every skin and every this and that it's forcing them to have to Buy into this NFT stuff that they may not want to do in order to complete Their their their collection to have all of the profile pics So I've got the potential to get really expensive too. It does it really does Like if you want that Nikolai profile pic if that's the most expensive NFT you're looking at Wide a bit of money there wasn't there an NFT to sell for like two million dollars or some shit like that I think one so for like over six. Yeah, the on atomic hub the website that UG is using Yeah, there I think the biggest sale is six point five million for one FT one NFT. Yeah, yeah And it's just a video of like people walking Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a piece of modern art is a piece of digital modern art is what it was This whole for like six million a lot of people think that's dumb, but again The Mona Lisa how much of the Mona Lisa worth I have no fucking idea, but it's worth a whole shitload And if I had the Mona Lisa, what the hell would I do with it? Just put it on my wall like There with the owl and the Mona Lisa right next to it I'm at all of my I'm glad I grabbed that from that fucking house I'm gonna buy you a knockoff Mona Lisa painting I Dedicated face cam The other side of the thing will put the scream and as they like both sides of that perfect big fan. Oh Let's move on to something a little more fun though. You guys done about NFTs Yeah, I'm good. Let's talk about the testing then Good So I mean let's start just kind of overall thoughts will start with you Astro Like what are your yeah, what have your feelings been on testing thus far? I know I've tested a little bit more than man goose and myself. Yeah, but I but yeah I'd love to hear all your thoughts. So in the very very beginning it was It was extremely overwhelming with just getting access to something that I've been waiting for for years You know since what 2018 it's it's been a long ride of just seeing ethereal and kind of watching it change and grow and in all of these You know developments and setbacks and just these little pieces here and there just throughout the past few years and getting access It was just like I'm here. Oh my god This is that like real moment of like wait like I'm actually doing this thing like yeah, like this is happening. Oh, yeah, okay What now So of course I instantly forget all of the kits. It's just out of my brain. It's like how do I play this game again? What's a mopa? So so you just sit there walking around looking at things and you're just like I have no idea what the hell I'm doing But after playing and after across the the next few days and when I think it's been approaching about a week now actually and It's I think it has a really really great framework Of course as any alpha will have it has its own You know little pieces here and there to kind of iron out and in get more polish and whatnot But I think it has a really really great framework And and I think something that really really kind of sells me and kind of shows the potential is flying as Lea Is just it's great. It's so just satisfying And I feel like that is a really really really good indication of where the game could be in the future. I Know in that case like I played Lea my first game I played was Lea right jungle main here how to play Lea, right? Yeah And I think I spent like half the match just flying places that I was just like Right like it was so much fun to use like just to see it in action and actually experience it with such a cool Like you said like a surreal experience like you're just like I'm here doing the thing that I've dreamt about that I've been considering and wandering in all these things. Yeah for years at this point What about you man? Just what were your kind of general thoughts on testing so far? I'm kind of with Astro like my first my first one I picked Malaya Of course, I wanted to wanted to go with Malaya and Yeah, I completely took off without buying any items or anything just run around and I'm killing jungle camps And I forget who it was asked me. Did you did you get a mark like the the smite item for for a theory? I'm like Care about any of that. Just let me run around this map and look at everything like I'm not trying to play a serious match here. Oh, it was so fun though. Like it's definitely in alpha state I've played a lot of alphas. This one is in alpha state. It's not Right out is definitely not ready for for release, but it was fun there was a lot of a lot of things functioned that I didn't expect a function like it was I'd say that it was an alpha state, but it was further ahead than I thought and Not only that but all of the feedback that I've had has been listened to already a lot of it has been fixed So they're definitely taking what we're telling them from the testing and using that Information to improve the game and that's really good to see there was a lot of known bugs and everything but like stuff that kind of just Caught my eye. I just I just put in a document and send it in and Or while I was playing with the team I was just you know say allowed some stuff that that was bothering me and they would they would attempt to fix it right then And there which was really nice. I will say the map the map is Probably the most intimidating thing to people that are looking at this game because they look at the map and it looks massive, I was expecting To get lost immediately. It took me maybe two matches and I knew the map Pretty well there I mean, there is a lot of stuff that I didn't like I was still finding like different paths that I could take and everything later on But I knew the it wasn't that hard to navigate that blew my mind like I was not expected that I was expecting to be so lost and I guess I still get lost in on the fault map Like I forget which way to go and I've been playing that game forever If I don't know it was just intuitive though the layout of the map And it was not that hard to navigate and it didn't take that much time to traverse lanes It was the the map was far more balanced than I expected it to be. That's that's for damn sure Yeah, I completely agree The thing for like you guys right the kind of forgetting to do things when you just got on the map the first time You guys know me I know the items forward backwards sideways slant ways every other thing right I look at the item shop, and I'm like I don't know what an item is I don't I don't have any idea. What do I build who am I again like a tax speed Noxus? I did that semi-intentionally, but But yeah, it was kind of that like you just got so caught in like doing things and learning it and figuring it out that But it didn't feel overwhelming necessarily either. It kind of just felt like a normal learning curve of playing something new More than the the feeling of being overwhelmed by it all Yeah, well when I say overwhelmed it wasn't necessarily by the game being too much. It was just from the the anticipation of three years You're emotionally overwhelmed. Yeah. Yeah. Yes Overall, I mean so Mangus and I right we had we played a game of Noxus v Noxus Yeah, right and it was a long game right because we damaged the towers was weird for for magic characters Right, but it was still fun because he and I are still going at it just 1v1ing just being like yeah Are you man and doing your laser right doing like it was just fun to play It was something we talked about in the extra life test before Mangus But that it just was fun, right like at a baseline just being fun is a good metric to have Yeah, you can fix animations. You can fix Sounds you can fix other things you can balance tweak the whole nine yards But having something fun is the most important part right initially And I would definitely say that I've been having fun in my testing thus far I think the top two things of just in general gaming is Having fun and it feels good to play I think those are the top two things of what is you know kind of essential in well a game well for fun, right a A quick antidote and I hope I'm not overstepping what we're allowed to Say about the testing but a lot of like a lot of ethereal for me has been like you see these kits You see these items you see all these all these myths and or here's whatever you want to call them And you think well, I want to do that with this person I want to do that with this person and I was able to do that in the testing and if you guys don't know jelly's gonna Know as soon as I start talking about this exactly what I'm talking about But not know noxious his passive is That whenever she after it's on a pretty long cool down But she builds up magical power and when she dies instead of dying She resurrects kind of like graystone except she's able to move and she pulses damage around her. I had No health no mana Jelly these is coming at me, but he's really low and I'm like I'm just going to fly straight at him in hope that he kills me and sure as shit He killed me my passive procced his passive was down So I was able to get the kill on jelly by using noxious passive and it felt so good because I Imagine that's how you would use her passive a lot of times like you have nothing else no mana. They're still low you just fly at them hope that a minion kills them or hope that they kill you and And you can proc that pass them and I was able to do that. That was a fun moment. That was like a real like Yeah, this is gonna be a great fucking game right here And I went into that so confidence who I went in there. I was like, he's low health. I'm just gonna go in there I'm gonna be down. It's gonna be real easy and then I died. It was like, well that So the thing that we've talked about it briefly like they were working on fixes already or really receptive to feedback Something that I've noticed in the time that I've been it part of the testing and even just part of UG in general is That that stuff is constant them working on the balances them working on fixing things It's just a constant state for them that they put out for the testing people that are part of it already They put out at least the patch like a week from what I've seen if not to Right that they they constantly are iterating constantly are balancing changing fixing things based on feel Right like big big things small things all over the place They are they're really quick to get those turnarounds, which I think is a great thing to see Yeah, not taking a month to update the test and then you're overwhelmed with all the fixes and changes because you got used to the broken state Right that yeah, we're going to be evolving throughout the the time that we're testing the game already Which I think is awesome and on that note. I think something that's really really great is even if they don't Throw something out as a as a fix a change, you know balance whatever it may be But you mentioned something's a like the majority of the time I say Oh, this is kind of like this or that's like that like oh, yeah, we're fixing that or oh, yeah We know we're on that, you know if it's not in the works are already done. They're like, oh, yeah We're working on it, you know, and that's really great to see that they're constantly You know aware and and very very proactive with with what's going on. Yeah, absolutely So man goose or the myths that you played What did you how did you feel in general on them? You talked about noxious a little bit already But kind of what were your general feelings on all the myths you've tried so far Well, I was able to play Malaya Noxus and Dante There's a three that I was able to play and they were all a really fun If I had to come the state of the game right now is much like Predecessors first closed alpha and I'm talking there closed alpha back in 2018 I think it was or 2019 something like that Where it was functional and It was great for internal testing, but if they were to release it to the community right now It would piss people off because it's it's it's still rough. It's still an alpha. It's functional, but rough so It's just we see how great predecessor is now They just need to get in there and make those fixes for it before it's community ready if they if they were to put a Lot of people are open-minded and would completely understand that rough around the edges alpha feel But there's way more people that would just shit on the game and kill it before it could fucking be born So I think they need to take a lot of time and rough out those edges before they can release a community alpha but I Think it's great. And like you said the the metric that we should be using is it wasn't fun in All three myths that I played were extremely fun and I had a great time playing them Yeah, I completely agree. What about you Astro? Who would you say are the myths that you've enjoyed most thus far the myths that I have enjoyed thus far? So I have been able to play every single myth Some more than others just because I've started to gravitate towards you like I've only played our on once but Even though I've only played them once he's still pretty fun must buy some meat to bowl Oh the Iran meatballs gonna be the biggest meme I can tell already But so the I think the three that I'm really liking are Malaya Dante and Noxus Okay, I just I just really like how how they feel their interactions Malaya is a little broken. I mean, you know just these little things here Yes, oh My god, she's insane. Oh good But she's she's just really fun it just feels good to to play these few characters, you know Aside from even despite these few little pieces like all this feels, you know a little weird here and there just overall It's just you know, it feels great And then if they went that one step to make this a little more polished I think it would be insanely just Perfect. Wow ships kiss There was I mean one of the examples I have of like a bug that happened with one of the items that has since been fixed was Boa of hysteria turned anybody into machine gun of whatever their basic attack was You a you got that item and you just were able to shred people apart in milliseconds It was so much fun, but so broken at the same time They were so confused that I accidentally found that But instant but within like a two minutes They were like, oh, I know what it is and then yeah, he instantly fixed it skifter was on it Yeah, which is great Like that's a cool thing to see that they can be very quickly located and say oh, yep fix now next patch You'll be good. Yeah For my moment, I think the people I played everybody as well But I think the ones that I've enjoyed the most are Talos Ron and Leah Leah because they're flying is just it feels so good Just that's the only way I can think to describe it is it just feels good to fly and We talked about this briefly Astro But the kind of just that I think that's an important feeling for them to capture it being fun and things feeling Satisfying like the kind of key notabilities the so the class abilities themselves or do all the class abilities feel satisfying To use I think it's something that they need to use as a metric of success for their game Yep, right if you can use every class ability and it feels good to use that's a successful ability, right? Yeah, I I feel like it's almost undersold in in certain aspects in certain games where it's like if something can be You know on paper amazing and well-balanced and you know all of these different checkboxes hit But if it feels like dog shit to use people aren't gonna want to play it, right? Yep Absolutely, but so yeah, Leah. I love I'm gonna be a Leah fan boy until the day I die and talk to a toxis Iran and Talos Are my two others for sure Talos ship Ability to like combo together things feels so good. Oh, yeah Like it's just satisfying to be able to be like q1 a basic attack q2 e right like it just oh It's so it's so good feeling and Iran's stacks I had a game that I was against skifter and I had 350 stacks built up on Iran's passive and I went full damage So I was pretty tanky with health and then I had full damage on top of it And he was playing a fed Dante and I just walked up grabbed him and just killed him in like a couple seconds He was like, how did you do that? I was like, yeah full AP Iran. Let's go I just felt so like satisfying to pull that off flexing on it. Oh, it's so good. It's so good There's a lot of outplay potential in in the game right now too. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man, I feel so bad for Sinus He's going against me. We had a 1v1 game and the next day He was like, all right, I need to get my revenge you outplayed me too much For the like items and stuff though Some of them aren't active yet But the vast majority of them have their their passive abilities active in game that you can use and all of that stuff Yeah, is there anyone that like sticks out to you guys that you're like, hey I really liked using this one or anything like that full of hysteria Okay, oh a pisteria after bug fix though, I still like it Nothing really stood out to me to be honest like I didn't really focus on the items as much as just I was mainly focused on Testing out certain functionality of the game and yeah like, you know And exploring that first my first match was all about exploring But when I did start getting into fights with Malaya, like I said the outplay potential is amazing Like you see Iran charging straight at you You just bubble and you're like a nice crab nerd nerd The game we had noxus v noxus I tried so hard to kill you with her beam through a wall I spent like easily a minute and a half like sitting on the other side of a wall trying to beam through it to kill you I end up starting to run away because I'm low health you toss a beam like randomly sweep it through the wall and kill me I was like Oh Dude so bad. I'm ashamed to say I didn't know you could use it through. Oh, yeah That is awesome though But yeah, so both hysteria for you astro Yeah, I'd say both hysteria and then I really I just like the the you know Chunky passives where they give you like the you know game 10% of your you know extra magical power You know these different things where you can like feel your damage. Just yeah. Yeah, just I get this two or three And it's just I do a lot of damage now awesome Absolutely, I'm really really excited for I think it's heavens blade It's it's one of the handful that there's like I think there's like it's like five or six There's not too many, but it's one of the handful that aren't implemented yet I'm really excited to get my hands on that because it sounds like to be so annoying Heavens blades the knockup, right? Yeah. Yeah The basic attacks you get a knockup on on your attack. Yeah, super fun And it may make Malaya just go through the roof in terms of being The the potions worked in the game which surprised me The marks the buffs all work. Yeah, what we could see. Yep. Yeah. No, it felt great The buffs the buffs so for those of you that don't know the buffs you have to actually pick up They're not just kill the thing to get the buff Which is still in debate in testing right of what that should feel like and look like but overall I think it's a good mechanic, especially in a 3d moba space. I think there's a reason smite has used it for so long Yeah So I I'm okay with that by a large margin, but yeah overall felt really good Fighting the wyverns and the wyverns felt nice A tropos assuming I didn't die, which I did very many times trying to fight a tropos Like overall just yeah overall just really well done thus far still lots of work to do for sure, but Well done so far. Blue buff is really scary for the wrong reasons Yes, yeah, tell them man. You sell them so blue buffs footsteps are Equivalent to the footsteps and predecessor when they first launched if you guys remember that But yeah, coming through the jungle all of a sudden I hear a fucking T-rex behind me I turned around as a fucking blue buff. I'm like what the I thought there was an Iran behind me or Grognark had been added in and I didn't even realize it It felt like the world was about to blow up. It was blue buff That's funny. Oh my god. Yeah, do you set it? I heard you say it once we were in discord And you're like blue buff. Holy crap, right? And then I was like well I haven't heard that what the heck and then the next time I went up to ice lane I walked past and I heard it and I was like, oh my god. Like he wasn't wrong terrifying Part of me that wants that to stay in though because just the memes of like T-rex blue buff walking around. Oh I will say I don't know if you guys know You guys know I was former military. I was a I was a paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne. So I've jumped out of planes and shit jumping off the fucking lanes made my stomach Jumping from ice lane to white lane made my stomach flip a little bit I guess it's a draw. When you when you jump that you're like am I gonna make it? Like it was like I think I might fall off the map and then you land and you're like, oh, I didn't. Okay. Thank you I'm curious that you say that because every time I've had that feeling and then the one time we're like no, I'll be fine like oh, no And I'm like wait, no, no, there's a ledge. There wasn't a ledge Oh It was so good and then kind of just the last thing we've talked about it a little bit already But what do you guys feel about the the general state of balance, right? I to me nothing felt crazy over tuned one way or the other with the exception of some bugs that existed to be sure, right? Yeah Nothing nothing came out to me and was like, oh, yeah, that's too strong. That needs to be nerfed right this second like Yeah, no, I agree. I think overall everybody felt You know relatively where they should be in the sense of oh is the support out DPS sing a Dante No, okay, that's probably a good thing. You know stuff like that where it wasn't You know super just wrong I think feel like things feel relatively good and as you said with a few bugs being you know fixed and whatnot I think that's they're definitely in a solid position Mm-hmm One thing I felt was broken one thing Iran's ability just fucking piece out whatever he wanted Cuz you know Iran has that charge ability where it can charge in run in and grab somebody But you can also just run away There's no fucking catching it Like going they are like Same time right they just keep paddling real fast and he takes off down the lane I asked about it. It's supposed to be it's supposed to build up like it's not supposed he's not supposed just to beat me take off So that's something that they will fix But yeah, it looks you have to reveal low health and I was a little Malaya and I'll be like, oh, yeah I'm going to get him Like the fucking road runner and I'm the coyote. He's sitting there So a big old slappy hands just waving in the air where he used to be Jelly kept up with me when I was playing. Oh, and I was using that to run away. You kept up. Oh my god I was playing Dante and I had to chase him. I used everything I had I was like, okay, run Roll right and then like hit him just barely and then run roll again, right? And use your ultimate like keep just whatever I could to keep up with him. Oh man Yeah, it's been super great so far. I'm excited to test more Going forward Any kind of final thoughts from you guys? Um, I just like I would just like to say that like like we said Well, like well, I guess like I said, it's it's it's functional but rough But the the metric to judge a game one is fun and it was extremely fun So that's that's my final thoughts astro. What do you got? No, I I agree on that I think they have a really great framework and I think with you know, the the over the next coming months and iterations and whatnot and With a little bit of polishing. I'm really really excited for the for the future. Joey. Yeah. Yeah that I completely agree with both of you But it's a good start right there in the right frame of mind for taking feedback from testers They are willing to change things willing to balance and not even like little numbers tweaks, right? Like if you say just just I'm gonna use a random if you say Grognarchs rolling around the map is to OP That's not a thing. I'm not confirming anything. Don't think it's a thing Though I would hope it is I don't know for sure, but I would hope it is But if Grognarchs rolling around was too strong Maybe we decrease the speed or decrease the ability or rework the ability, right? They it sounds like they'd be open to that kind of feedback as well They're not just they don't think that they did everything perfectly and now it's just tweaking numbers They're willing to explore other avenues of balance if it comes to that. Yeah, which is great. Yeah, absolutely open-mindedness Yeah, I think that's all I got. Yeah Think that about wraps up this episode then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah move on to plugs. Jelly. You got anything to plug Ethereal clash of souls. I'm a developer technically now Yeah, that's that's really the big thing I Yeah, that's as much as I can say for now Astro I Say my twitch. I've been a little bit inconsistent The cosmic Astro, but when a theory comes out, you know, we're doing Right on I'll have that I'll link in the description below if you guys want to check out Astros twitch Get some of their real content eventually. Yeah, what about you man? What do you have to you? Back to the land of the living. I made that video about NFTs and then immediately had to fucking change it Release the new info. So I guess I'm gonna work on that Yeah, now that I'm now that I'm back from the dead, uh, I don't know. I'll just do some videos That's gonna be a let's go to wrap it up It was a it was a pleasant surprise to be able to test the game internally and it gives me a lot more Confidence in telling you guys that this game is going to be awesome. Like I can I Well, a lot of times you kind of I was kind of reserved in Promoting ethereal because there was no real I had no real way to tell if it was a real game And if it was really going to happen, but now I know for goddamn sure that it is So when it comes out and you guys are able to play it I hope you all join us as we enter the ether Man go