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Shabir Ally gets Owned on the Trinity

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Published on Mar 2, 2012

The following excerpt was taken from the debate between Shabir Ally and Tony Costa.

The Topic of Debate was Jesus in Christianity and Islam Which Account Is Historically Correct?

Jesus Christ Christianity Bible Islam Qur'an Koran Quran Gospels New Old Testament Atonement Forgiveness Justice YAHWEH Jehovah Messiah AllahMuhammad God Salvation Sins Sin Revelation Godhead Sonship Divinity Resurrection Crucifixion Paul Divine Conflict Debate Trinity Faith Science Muslim Prophet Man History Religion# and Christian Perception of Tony Costa Shabir Ally

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Ayumi Moua
Best answer here ----> an egg consist of three parts. The yolk, the egg whites and the shell. The individual parts are parts of the egg that comes together to make an egg. It has 3 parts of different function that defines 1 thing..an egg. God is same! 3 in 1 God bless!!! Stay vigilant..
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Muhammad was the anti Christ,,,he actually tried to usurp the throne of the messiah for himself,,,he even claimed to be the spirit of truth sent by Jesus which means he was making himself equal with God ,,,whether he understood the concept he was using or not is irrelevant,,,,,he still said it and hat makes hm a blasphemer,,,in fact, everything Muhammad did was part of a genocidal plot that would lead to the total annihilation of all people on earth who do not bleieve Muhammad was a prophet,,, he set out to deceive his followers and incite them to violence so he could command a massive army of illiterate people who would do all of his bidding under penalty of death,,,he wanted to steal the kingdom of God from Jesus the true messiah and make himself the prince of princes,,,,he wanted to usurp the seat of the Christ and make himself ruler of all the earth,,,,AS IT IS WRITTEN YOU ARE A SLAVE OF THE ONE YOU OBEY the Arabians of the 7th century knew some of the stories about Jesus from the  scripture,,,in fact they probably regarded JESUS as the Messiah, so Muhammad could not come right out and attack Jesus openly,,,he had to be smart about it,,, ,,he had to be cunning ,,,and thats why he acknowledged Jesus as the Christ ,,,he did that so that he could gain the trust of the people but his plan was to attack Jesus and replace him all the time,,,notice how he exalted himself and demoted Jesus to the level of a mere man who did good things,,,he said Jesus is not God's son,,he is not God in the flesh,,,,and then he exalted himself as the last and final prophet,,,well the bible is clear that the messiah is the last and final prophet,,,Vision and prophecy was sealed up ,,,the Israelites put an end to sin and anointed the most holy,,,the scepter passed from Judah to Shiloh ie the Messiah and the temple was destroyed,,,his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom that will never be plucked up or destroyed,,,the scepter NEVER departs from Messiah to a foreigner who comes from a pagan Arabian tribe thats foolishness,,,,,,it surely will never go to Muhammad who will have his part in the lake of fire,,,so read between the lines,,,,,Jesus of the Tribe of Judah never said any of the things that the Qur'an attributes to him,,,Muhammad never met Jesus ,,he (Muhammad) lived 600 years later in another country ,,,he was not even an israelite or a Jew but he was a pagan from a remote tribe in Arabia,, the god he claims to have spoken to does not sound anything like the God of the bible ,,,we are his sheep and we know his voice very well,,,the Qur'an is not the voice of  YHWH,,,not even close,,,in fact the quran makes no sense at all,,,it was NOT written by our God. NO WAY! so this is what I think,,,every-time when Muhammad said "Jesus said" this or "Jesus said" that  he was talking  ab himself,,,,Muhammad and Allah are also one in the same,,,God never said any of the things the Qur'an attributes to him,,,Muhammad said them,,,MUHAMMAD AND ALLAH ARE THE SAME PERSON,,,THE ASA  OF THE QUR'AN AND MUHAMMAD ARE ONE IN THE SAME ALSO  See you cant have an Anti Christ unless the True Christ comes first,,,Im telling you ,,,Muhammad/Asa are one in the same ,,, Asa who is really Muhammad is the wanna be Messiah ,,,he is the replacement for the real Jesus,,, Muhammad  tried to take the place of Christ which makes him anti christ,,,he stole all the land of jews and christinas and murdered them and denigrated Jesus then exalted himself,,,well he who exalts himself will be humbled and he who humbles himself will be exalted Muhammad is the antithesis of Jesus in every way,,, Jesus kept the law perfectly but Muhammad broke every single law God gave perfectly,,,he is the 666 = full of sin that leads to death and Jesus =777 full of wisdom and love and beauty and perfection HERE IS HOW MUHAMMAD BREAKS ALL 10 COMMANDMENTS 1. LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART, SOUL, MIND AND STRENGTH ,,,Muhammad did not Love God with all his heart soul mind and strength because the bible says if you say you love God but you hate your brother you are a liar,,for how can you love God whom you have not seen and hate your brother who you have seen? You dont rob and rape and murder your fellow man if you love him,,,Jesus said love your neighbor as you love yourself,,, 2. Thou shalt not worship graven images or idols and again Thou shalt not raise up for yourselves a sacred stone,,, Muhammad raised up a sacred stone which is expressly forbidden in the torah and he told people to make a pilgrimage to it and kiss it,,,some people say its a representation of female genitalia ,,,at any rate we know for sure it was a pagan practice at one time,,,and it still is today,,, he also wore women's clothing when the torah expressly forbids it,,,he wore the garment of Aisha and claimed it gave him special revelation when he wore it thats a kind of idolatry as well,,so he taught to practice idolatry 3. Do not take/carry the LORD's name in vain,,,He carried the LORD's name in vain,,,he did all of his murders and rapes and robberies and other crimes against humanity  in the name of God,,,He lived in disobedience to Gods law and then claimed to be an Apostle,,,He put false words in the mouth of Jesus and false words in the mouth of YHWH and tried to pass himself off as a prophet of God but he never saw Jesus nor heard Gods voice at anytime.  He thought he was demon possessed at first and wanted to kill himself and he was right,,,so the man was devil possessed just like the bible says the anti christ will be.  He will come by the power of satan 4. Remember the sabbath day and keep it holy,, He did not keep the sabbath 5. Honor your father and mother,,,He may have honored his mother and father in practice I dont know for sure but at any rate he dishonored them by his behavior,,,because of his murders and thefts and rapes he dishonored his parents and put them to an open shame 6. Thou shalt not murder,,,, He murdered the people of God and all others who would not accept that he was a prophet.  He decapitated people and crucified people,,,he spread his religion by the sword. 7. Thou halt not commit adultery,,,He committed adultery and taught others to do likewise,,,by having multiple wives and concubines he violated the law of God,,, and by molesting an 8 year old child he violated the law,,,Muhammad's original wife was even tossed to the side when she got old and "fat",,,he no longer regarded her and she had to make a deal with him and beg him not to put her away in disgrace,,,she agreed that he would no longer have to have sex with her,,,this is how he showed "love" to his real wife,,,he abandoned her and abused her emotionally It is also recorded that he lusted after many women who were not married to him,,,he lusted for his adopted son s wife and then broke up a perfectly good marriage so he could commit acts of fornication with her,,,so he committed adultery in his heart over and over again ,,,for anyone who even looks upon a woman with lust has committed adultery with her in his heart,,,,,,,, he actually commanded his followers to commit adultery when he told them to rape female captives,,,and he caused the married captives to commit adultery when his followers raped them,,,For  it is written,,, if you marry a divorced woman you cause her to commit adultery,,,how much more if you have forced relations with a married woman in front of her own husband,,,this is despicable adultery 7. thou shalt not steal,,,He robbed caravans and stole from people,,,everything he ever obtained he actually stole from the Christians and the Jews,,,he stole their lands, their money, their women, their children and even parts of their religion and then tried to pass it off as his own,,,he was a plagiarist and a bad one at that.  8 Thou salt not bear false witness ,,,He bore false witness,,,he was a flagrant shameless liar,,, he bore a false testimony against the Jewish and the Christian religions and then he went on to blaspheme and lie against the LORD Jesus Christ and when that wasn't enough he even bore false witness against God himself,,,he claimed he got his revelations to murder and steal from the GOD of the torah,,,He said God told him to do all of this killing and robbing and lying and raping and kidnapping and decapitating people but we know this is NOT in line with Gods nature,,,Muhammad taught the opposite of torah in every way,,,  his revelation does not sound  like the revelation that came before it,The Qur'an is the anti thesis of the religion of the israelites,,, When did God ever send a prophet to the israelites who was not one of their own??? no Jew or christian will ever listen to a pagan From Arabia who cant read and doesnt even know the bible.and what he does know from just hear say is WRONG,,, he perverts and totally mutilates GODS WORD,,,lol,,,,God is not going to send a pagan from Arabia and say go tell them Jesus is just a prophet and that he is not YHWH,,,,but the problem is the whole bible from the 1st line of Genesis all the way down to the last line in the book of Revelation it bears witness that Jesus is divine and both LORD AND GOD  also Muhammad took certain ideas from the bible and then perverted their true meaning,,, Muslims claim Muhammad is the spirit of truth spoken of in the bible ,,,well thats a title of God,,,so Muhammad was claiming to be equal to God?  ,,,this is what I have said all along,,,,,,,,,Muhammad intended to replace Jesus as king,,,Jesus was the last prophet,,,vision and prophecy was sealed up in 70ad as Daniel tells us,,,Jesus was the last prophet and the capstone and he is perfect and precious NOT MUHAMMAD,,,, Jesus spirit is the spirit of truth,,,Jesus is the heir of the promises given to Abraham thru Issac and Jacob NOT Muhammad ,,,Muhammad is the anti Christ,,,no doubt about it,,or else thats who he inspired to be,,,he built a monument to himself on the temple mount "and it is written on it Allah has no son,,,this is a flagrant rebellion and AN ATTACK ON THE TRUE JESUS OF THE BIBLE,,It is like the abomination of desolation,,,Muhammad was making a statement when he built that monument to himself and he built it on the Jews temple mount no less,,,,,they claim Muhammad ascended into heaven on a horse on that spot but its a lie,,,Jesus said no one has ascended into heaven but the one who came down from heave the son of man NOT MUHAMMAD,,,Jesus is the one who rides the white horse NOT Muhammad,,,Muhammad wants  to replace Jesus and the saints with himself and his followers,,,they are the body of Anti christ like we are the body of the true Christ,,,AND THEY ARE ALL GOING TO END UP IN THE LAKE OF FIRE,,MUHAMMAD ALSO PERVERTED ESCHATOLOGY SO BADLY,,,He was confused and did not realize that the last days were in 70ad,,,it was the last days of the israelite kingdom,,,Jesus is not talking ab some future event ,,,the judgement came on Israel in 70ad,,,so Islam is just so confused and bogus its pitiful 10. Thou shalt not covet your neighbors goods or your neighbors wife or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor,,,Muhammad coveted Jesus place for himself,,,he coveted all the wealth of the Jews and Christians,,,he coveted his neighbors wife and all that belonged to his neighbor.  he coveted his own sons wife and this is how you know Allah is Muhammad,,, Allah told Muhammad that he was permitted to take his sons wife after he lusted after her,,,and caused a divorce on purpose,,,God hates divorce we are told in the bible,,,God never advocates divorce,,,to claim that God told him to commit adultery with his sons wife is an abomination from hell,,,he is a false satanic prophet,,he is demon possessed,,,Jesus never would have advocated or permitted such an abomination He didn't love God and he did not love his neighbor,,,thats how we know he was a fraud,,,God doesn't teach prophets to break his whole torah law ,,,,,,,,in fact Muhammad murdered his neighbors and hated his neighbors and he hated Jesus and YHWH as well,,,we can see this clearly in his behavior,,,he is of his father the devil,,,he tried to usurp the authority that belongs to Jesus ,,,,,he made himself the sole authority of interpreting all the bible yet he could not read,,,he didn't speak Greek nor Hebrew nor Aramaic but he says we must obey him and interpret our books thru the lens of his commands,,, he exalts himself above all that is called God or is worshiped so he sits in the temple of God and declares himself God,,,again he makes himself anti Christ ie a replacement for Christ  because thats Jesus job,,,JESUS IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY,,,he is the sole interpreter of the bible and he can read Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and Aramaic too lol,,,,,,he is the only one able to open up the hearts and minds of men and reveal the one true God,,,NOT MUHAMMAD,,,not some pagan from Arabia who never even read the Scripture and didn't keep any of the torah,,,not a man who made the law of God of no effect by teaching for doctrines the commandments of ONE MAN ,,,HIMSELF,,, There is no way the Qur'an came from the God we know,,,no way,,,,no way,,,God didn't spend 2000 years laying the groundwork for the coming of the messiah just so Muhammad could come in and steal away all the glory ,,,ONE ONE DESERVES THE GLORY BUT JESUS ,,,MUHAMMAD DIDN'T DIE FOR YOU,,,JESUS DESERVES THE PRAISE AND HONOR AND GLORY,,, ,,,NOT MUHAMMAD,,,,,its hard to bleieve anyone could fall for this false prophet,,,THE MUSLIM HEAVEN IS A GIANT ORGIE WHERE MEN GET DRUNK ON WINE AND HAVE SEX WITH MULTITUDES OF WOMEN,,,THAT'S BLASPHEMY,,, TO SAY ADULTERY  WILL BE COMMITTED IN HEAVEN,,,AND DRUNKENNESS BEFORE A HOLY GOD,,,,,,but we were warned in 2Peter 2 that certain men would secretly being in destructive heresies even DENYING the master who bought them and they will bring upon themselves swift destruction,,,because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed,,, our scriptures were given over a period  of 2000 years and we were given one piece at a time,,,,,,the Qu'ran is not like this at all,,,there is nothing miraculous about recording the rantings of a madman in a book after he dies,,,NOTHING,,, it reminds me of orders given by a mafia crime boss or a war lord,,,its not scripture,,,its not even close to scripture,,, ,the Qur'an is war propaganda  thats all it is,,,IT WAS A TOOL USED BY A FALSE PROPHET TO INCITE THE MASSES AGAINST CHRIST AND AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK,,,SO THE ILLITERATE WOULD SLAY THEM AND DECAPITATE THEM AND CRUCIFY THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS AND MUHAMMAD WOULD USURP GODS THRONE Muhammad used what was familiar to the people to incite them to murder and rape and steal,,3rd world people who have no formal education in the scriptures can be easily manipulated by a false prophet this way,,,once a charismatic figure is in control of the minds of the people they become capable of anything,,,its a shame but we have seen this even in the USA with the cults,,, we have seen it in Latin America when communists come in and use liberation theology to incite to violence and theft.  My last word on the subject,,,Muhammad taught others to break all the commandments of God,,,he ENCOURAGED them to break them as a matter of fact,,,he wanted to commit genocide against Jews and Christians and he taught his followers to carry out this genocide,,,he taught Muslims to steal all the property and wealth and land of jews and Christians and he taught to rape their women and treat them cruelly,,,he wanted to destroy the cross of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who bleieves,,,,, he wanted to usurp Jesus seat for himself,,,he wanted all nations to obey him INSTEAD OF CHRIST that makes him the anti christ,,,,when the Qur'an says the anti christ will shatter crosses its talking ab Muhammad and his followers,,,if you are smart enough to read between the lines,,,muhammad is the anti christ,,,he is the only one who sends his followers to shatter crosses,,,Jesus died on a cross and in the old test it says a tav or T was placed on the heads of all the righteous who weep and lament over the abominations done in the holy city,,,,,,then the angels come and slay everyone without that tav T mark,,,MUHAMMAD SLAYS IN THE NAME OF HIS GOD WHO IS HIS OWN SELF,,,IM TELLING YOU MUHAMMAD, ASA AND ALLAH = MUHAMMAD,,,WHEN THEY ALL BOW DOWN THEY ARE BOWING TO MUHAMMAD,,,ISLAM IS A FALSE LIE FROM HELL,,,THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET SO WE CAN HELP MUSLIMS TO SEE THEIR PROPHET WAS FALSE,,,THEY NEED JESUS,,,JESUS IS THE KING AND GOD OF ISRAEL,,,
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blip62
It is amazing that Shabir Ally has not yet become a Christian.....Or he has stabbed his ear drums and plucked his eyes out...a smart man who has sadly chosen to blind himself to the facts and the truth about who God really is.
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Gary wood
Shabir  is just another muslim that promotes islam   by bashing other faiths  because he has nothing  to help sell islam for its peace.      As for trinity,   I have a body  seen by people ,  I have a inner   spirit as a living person ,  then I have my deeds  and treatment of others  to show the fruit I produce  as to know what tree I am .        When I die,  my body is separate to rot on earth   as my spirit  leaves and  I can't  show my deeds any more on earth   so I'm now  1 .             
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LongDrivesAtNight
The Trinity is so simple to understand. I cannot figure out why people have such a problems with it. Jesus spoke of the Father, spoke of the holy spirit etc ...Muslims will say Jesus never said the exact word "Trinity", therefore Christians made it all up etc. Muslims are always looking for justification for their religion.....always attacking Christian and Judaism theology, or trying to pick it apart etc.
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Jesus is the Truth
I have a question for all my muslims brothers in humanity,  1)Is the spirit of God , God?  ( for instance is your spirit you or the neighbor?) 2) is the word of God, with whom he created the univers , everlasting and eternal? so is the word of God different from God and not eternal? 3) Is God the Father God? 
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Ismail Reyhanoglu
This makes no sense. I don't see how he gets owned
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Miguel Perez
How about this? 1X1X1= 1 
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mrsbiblebeliever
The muslim held up 1 hand and counted three fingers and says that because we Christians say that God is 3 in 1 that then there must be 3 gods, he did something that he didn't realize, first, hold up your hand anyone who reads my comment and look at it, it is 1 hand, with 5 fingers, but it is still 1 hand, not 5 hands, that is how our hands are made, 1 hand with 5 fingers still makes only 1 hand, the same principle can be used to describe God, he is 3 persons but still 1 God, thats his personhood, who he is, another example can be used, I'am a woman, but I'am also a daughter, a wife, an aunt, a sister, but still 1 person with those identities, so God can be 3 persons in 1, and still be 1 God, everyone has an identity, most people are the children of someone, I assume, lol so their identity is who they are as 1 person, but they can sons, daughters, parents, hockey coaches, etc. That is an imperfect way of describing God in his triune personhood he is so much more, but still our finite minds cannot get around all that he is.
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the stranger production
Blessed Father, hear our cry. Cast out sin, but draw us nigh. Not for merit—we have none— For Your mercy, for Your Son. Blessed Jesus, make our plea. In Your name to God we flee; Through Your blood we seek His face; By Your priesthood claim His grace. Blessed Spirit, meet our need; In our silence intercede. Translate groans we cannot speak; Heal the broken, help the weak. Triune God, please grant our prayer As Your glory we declare. May Your promised kingdom come; May Your will on earth be done. in the name of father,son and holy spirit I pray. Amen
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