 It's indirect abuse of animals that when so it's abuse of animals. Yes Like the taste of animal abuse They get shot in the head and slashed across the throat which side are you on You're on the right side people are just uninformed. It's not about sides, man Yeah, there's a wrong side of history and there's a right side of history Oh mate How you going buddy we're back here read the sign now New sign I changed my approach like you said What do you think of that one that one's gonna work No, why not? Oh, I don't know Just argue it just separates You from us, you know, there's there's vegans and then there's us, you know, but it shouldn't be that it should be You know, there's instead of you know vegans and us it should be us and people that abuse animals So you're separating yourself From the rest of the majority I'm saying that if you're not vegan you abuse animals, so then there's vegans and people who abuse animals That's what I'm saying. That's a separation But I want you to come on the side of not abusing animals. That's how I'm trying to get people to wake up Yeah, there's on the screen here. You've seen this. This is different today But this is this is all the different ways that people who aren't vegan abuse animals This is taking mothers kids away Slaughtering bobby calves in the dairy in three humane sort of pull full of blood if you pay for this Do you think this is abuse? Abuse I don't know. Yeah, what do you think abuses? abuse would be If I Would have hurt you yeah, right now if I would punch you in the face. That's abuse What if you paid your mate to stab me You you're the mastermind you paid him to stab me. Who's the abuser both of you's yeah, both of us Why did he stab me? He has no problem with me. You have the problem. I paid you To stab me didn't you? Yeah, do you think that that's paying for abuse you think if you yeah, okay? That's all I'm saying. Yeah, I guess it's just it's just a really hard Pilled a swallow point to get across because it's so normalized. You know what I mean like all of this is just So normal, but how do I break through that without you know telling people how it is? I was thinking about I went home and thought about it and I thought you know like with the whole dairy industry thing Yeah, you'd be like I don't know I was just thinking surely you could find like a vegan kind of soy milk company and say hey could you give us like you know 20 liters of Your milk for free and we'll advertise it and then hand out to people That and then say will which one do you like you know like it's not so bad It's because if you're giving away free soy milk, yeah, like people won't drink soy milk They won't pay for it because it's so milk, you know, but if you're handing it out for free someone I'll drink a pretty good idea Maybe someone might drink it like me and I drunk and I thought geez that actually tastes better than cows milk Okay, but that's the wrong message them. I want people to know why they're avoiding dairy milk in the first place because why would they be motivated I Know if I just hand out soy milk people go about why I'll show you why this is why this This is a dairy cow being slashed across the throat and shot in the skull Why should we hide the truth from people you think these are grown-ups and to be done man? How's it meant to be done brother? That's not abuse I don't think so I think I don't know If I'm shooting him in the head to use them for their body, that's exploitation. Yeah. Yeah, but that's use. That's abuse Yeah, but Like that's not This is a that's stunning sheet Wait, wait a second. What footage do you have? I've done all this man and like this is just like the hardcore shit that like Yeah, yeah, how long you spend in the slaughterhouse? Never been in the slaughterhouse, but I've killed animals myself Okay in a slaughterhouse mass production line with thousands of animals are being killed No, no, so you got to prove to me how it's done. I'm showing you this is our evidence We've got thousands of hours of this every slaughterhouse is not much different from the other. Oh, no, it's just It's it's a hard one, but I just feel like prove me wrong is just is just trying to start an argument and It just it just separates you from us whether you know where the human race man and we don't like this happening Okay, so don't prove me wrong. Just listen to me man. You know, like you should be pulling people aside and saying Listen man, like this is up shit. You know, I swear at them. You reckon. I don't know Gets the point across I'm trying my best to help people understand that they abuse animals through their lifestyle and I've got you to sit down twice now. Yeah, and you're telling me it's not effective Yeah, you thought about it more last night than you have in your entire life. I guarantee you Yeah Yeah, but I'm I'm thinking more like when I first saw you The guy that kind of just got off and you know cracked the shits and walked away Every time that he hears the word vegan. He's not gonna think of this He's gonna think of you know you but not everyone's gonna change Not everyone's gonna stop abusing children and punching their wife in the head either But I'm reaching knows like you who have a good thought process a good heart and good conscience Which is a lot of people I don't have to change the ignorant, you know people who are happy with two abused animals I don't have to change them all why not the problem. No The problem is the good hearted people that pay for this to happen those people I'm you know, I'm pushing shit up. He'll try to convince that guy. He just come here to argue You didn't come here to argue. No, come here to see what's going on and say hey, bro Why don't you try it this way? This is the wrong way This is the right way trust me. Yeah, you got to shake people awake. They're dead condition. They don't see this Yeah, yeah, I forgot that vegan thing was called the 22 challenge 22 This is all from a movie called Dominion Australian footage very recent It's all horrific Go find yourself a farrowing shed nearby a go ask the farmers for allowed to have a walk through I bet you'll say no way Yeah, probably not. Yeah, where would I find one of them? Thousands just out there's thousands in Australia without literally thousands of some 20 kilometers away from the city There's a reason that they're hide their hide this shit, man Are you guys like part of like some political party or anything? Why not? I don't think politics into animal ethics. It's got nothing to do. I don't care where your political stance is I'm not talking like it like for instance with like the egg industry You I think I'm not a hundred percent, but I don't think you can have chickens in tiny little cages anymore because people like yourself got into Parliament and changed the legislation and what what actually governs the people is not what they Think it's the law. Yeah, you're not gonna stab me because you go to jail and fuck that You don't want to go to and I like you are quite like I don't mind you exactly So if if you could make this illegal then it's not gonna happen It's a standard legal practice RSPCA approved gas chambers before the footage was shown and then they started to oh We oh we didn't know it was like that. We didn't know it was like that How do we have to make animal exploitation illegal? Do you think Parliament's gonna agree with that? You're talking about welfare increases, which keeps this in business makes people feel comfortable that chickens aren't in cages Chickens still get their throat slashed open ten thousand in the shed twenty thousand in the shed. It's a start It's a start I'd rather give them the whole truth than just ask for bigger cages. I want them to stop fucking murdering them Yeah I've thought about this for many years brother little steps man They need big steps. They need adult steps. They need you to stop Gotta Gotta crawl before your walk, man. It's no like when it comes to child abuse Yeah, yeah, no, it's just a fucked up situation that you're in that No one really wants to listen to you because this has been going on for 200,000 years since the human race has started. We've been killing and raping each other for that long too I but you know we understand killing and raping is wrong child abuse is wrong I'm trying to get people to understand that animal abuse is wrong Yeah, same shit same shit different species I guess so man feel like you should just try to Have at least have more humane ways of going about it and then once they're implemented then you can work from there to minimalizing it and Why not have you tried this is all Australian standard practice, but you can change that I don't want it. I don't want humane rape humane murder humane slavery. I don't want those things I want no slavery no rape no murder. I don't want humane child abuse either humane domestic violence No, I feel like I feel like That is the goal and here is where we are and Making this humane is the step in between the two it makes you then comfortable with buying humane meat That's all it does. You will never go vegan if pigs fell asleep nicely So I want you to go. Well, what can I do right now? Be vegan simple bro. Yeah, no fucking around with Parliament politicians don't change shit activists do yeah People like you change Yeah, I guess man. It's just Surely there's something More that you can do then sit here with the sign like Thousands of people will see this and go vegan vegan because of it I've influenced the movement across the world of activists to change people. I've influenced thousands of people to go vegan I've been across that I've been on TV all across the world tens and tens of millions of people have seen my stuff viral videos all across the World I get interviewed by all the major news channels. You can look up and look me up I've been on TV talking about the animal holocaust in Australia. You know what I mean? So we are all dominion created waves across Australia. There's activists all over the world doing this It's a massive movement dude. You probably haven't seen much of it, but it's huge You can be one of them you are which side are you on There's no size man. Here we go with the sides. You're on the right side I'm people are just uninformed or backwards and you have to change those people, but it's not it's not about sides, man Yeah, there's a wrong side of history and there's a right side of history That's history though. I want all these good people to stand on the right side Yeah I don't want people abusing animals and those people that won't stop abusing animals that they will definitely they will definitely be lion-strawn Yeah, it's just it's just the sides man like That's that's the only thing like people stand up here for 20 minutes defending this Making excuses because because you've got a sign saying prove me wrong You've asked them to do that so of course they're gonna do that. That's what you saw and said That's what you're asking for you think they can No, because you fucking Obviously done your research on all this and no way I could sit here and argue with you on this because I know nothing about it And you've probably got so many fucking facts in your head that and I've been in farms myself and slaughterhouses. Yeah, yeah Yeah, and you haven't yeah, no the burden of proof. It's on you to say that this doesn't happen I know it does. I know I've known for years. Yeah, I'm not saying that it's not happening Yeah Yeah, man, just try to be a little bit more a little bit more love, you know what I mean? I love people. I love you mate. You're a good bloke. I can see this love in your heart, too But you know if you're gonna come and try to I'm defending them at the end of the day. I'm defending them Yeah, so sometimes love doesn't work. Sometimes the God-honest truth works You're gonna not bullshit with people Look at that. How do you defend them? What are you doing cutting off the heads? They just yeah, this is a slaughterhouse. Yeah, they're cutting off their heads to slush in their throat. They're putting them in an electrical bath It's a rotating blade that slashes their throat. How many how many is out a minute. I Don't know man. You tell me a hundred a minute. That's what you see Yeah Yeah, man, just keep trying man. Oh don't worry I won't stop so you can do but try not to argue with people because not only does it do What you're saying wrong it does all the vegans wrong man I'm not for the vegans man for the animals. Yeah There's only one way to defend someone from violence and torture and that's with all your heart Like you might not be seeing it from the animals point of view You understand that you're still seeing it from making people upset point of view But there's always gonna be people upset when you force social change. You can't avoid that I'm telling you I can be as nice as I want people gonna go weak vegan pussy this and that you can't change that So I might as well just be straight out How can you can't change it? Join us for a while now brother. I want to join this with you man. I want to brainstorm with you You can do it your own way and you know, I wouldn't come up to you and say hey, bro You got to do this more my way. I'd say your let's try your way You do your thing and I'll support you in that. You know I mean because you're trying to do the same thing I'm trying to do with a different strategy Okay, that's the best thing join us mate help us help help us help us convince people to stop doing this to animals No worries mate Joey Carpstrung if you want to email me on go on Instagram Yeah, that's the second time he come up and he's all about like changing my approach This isn't gonna work people are arguing but the funny thing is he doesn't realize He actually sat down twice with me and thought about this more than he ever has He's gonna do challenge 22 You wanted to be an activist after it and he's telling me it's the wrong approach Same people to get turned vegan by Gary you're off skiing. I'm not going. Oh, that's the wrong approach to militant It's like you went vegan because of Gary, you know People who don't like me that they went vegan Like okay, of course you want to be you know, I don't know. It's just crazy The right approach the wrong It's almost like they want the right approach to be one that doesn't make them emotional or upset or angry It's like I want to make you change not like I don't want you to like love me. It's like Can't you just love everyone Joey?