 Because they all get rid of anything that isn't my voice. Oh, maybe. How does it know? I think we're starting off 2022 with a troubleshooting session. Oh, there you go There's really is part of the course. All right, I mean, this is exactly No, you're good. You're good. I mean and also welcome to 2022 everyone New year new year new orbit new orbit orbit 15. This is orbit. We've been around this will be our 15th year so we do okay, hold on we measure this weird because When when you have a baby, right? The baby starts at year zero and then you have its first birthday But when you have a television show it starts on season one and then has its second birthday So there is no zero zero zero for like a television show. Well, we did this kind of like a TV show So this will be orbit 15, which is our 14th year of doing it. Yes, which is a little weird, right? It is bizarre, but at the same time, holy smokes, holy smoke 14 years doing this and Dada had a really great quote. He said something along the lines of you. This will be your ninth year, right? Oh, Dada's walking out. We've you can't see it. He's passing behind the screens He doesn't not like my camera. He's he's displeased with my I wish I could show you I wish I could show you what's going on. This is how we're starting 2022 everyone My name is Jamie Higginbotham. By the way, I'm joined by Jared head and Ryan Caten and we are three giant ugly bags of Mostly water and we will be that's the line, right? I mean, sure. It's giant ugly bags of mostly water That's sure. Whatever makes you feel better. Someone so someone who remembers Star Trek. That's that's TNG. Gotcha Season one maybe anyhow Jared you had I Feel like we're gonna have to talk about How many points of failure left on James? Oh, I don't know, but we're past most of them finally. So oh my gosh Yeah, what's left the only major thing only major deployment left for the James Webb Space Telescope is the starboard side Wing of the mirror to swing in and do that this morning. They did the port side and it came in and they got it. So Yeah, everything's everything's looking good. And I'm actually Very happy as to how smooth everything has been you must be you came in here bouncing You were literally bouncing when you came into the studio. Yeah, it's been it's just like a huge like what's stress now You know why I don't know and not men and not much not that not James Webb It's just a mad I you know I suppose we have to get the starboard wing of the mirror deployed and locked in and set tomorrow Then we have to get the start adjusting each individual mirror Four mirror deployments, right? It folded or was it to know just to there's a port and a starboard and that was so It wasn't aft and bow sort of thing or whatever you want to call it. There's a secondary mirror I guess the the mirror in front of the primary mirror So, you know primary bounces to the secondary bounces to the instrumentation. Yeah, it keeps And that's all deployed already as well. Yeah, so the secondary was deployed Just after all the Sunshield deployments were done. Did you see did you see the game? I think was the James Webb I forget who it was might have been the APL Twitter account. Can you call that? Do you know what I'm talking about? I do. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, did you see that you want to describe like that? Was hilarious. Yeah, so so it was actually the James James Webb's official Twitter account They blocked this NASA Sun Twitter NASA Earth and NASA Moon on Twitter Because that's what the Sunshield does it blocks the sunlight. It also blocks any residual Radiation that may be coming from Earth and the moon that can that can mess with the optics and the instrumentation that's on board So, yeah, that was hilarious that they were able to do that. I think that's awesome But they were also talking smack to each other as well. Oh wait, were they really? Yeah, I think the moon had the most like like upset response You know something like that so I can't I can't remember what was exactly said, but but Blocking the Sun I get that but yeah, the Sun was perfectly fine with it Please do you know you're good with the moon Yeah, but for Earth it was like we just like you just got this beautiful view of us And now like you're blocking us like thanks And then the moon was just like it was just like yeah, well you already went past So I don't know what more you want, you know something like that So it was it was sweet and cute and of course NASA's social media. Yeah, there you go That's great, that's so great. I'm pretty sure down in the replies to this. They got a you got Sun Earth and moon Down there or not so no, they're blocked So well, I suppose I suppose you would still be able to see it because you're not them. Yeah, exactly It was great though. I greatly appreciate that so but yeah all the release the big scary stuff is at least done Really the Sun shield was the scariest bit Wait, why was the Sun shield the scariest? I figured the mirror would be the scariest Well, the the mirror you can kind of like troubleshoot and everything or something Yes, you can you can there are ways we can make it work just send up a separate mission Yeah, of course, yeah, we'll just deploy a little cubesat But only 237 points of failure left Yeah but the Sun shield was the scariest bit because that's basically like the whole point of The mission like the Sun's the Sun shield either works or like that's it game over Because that's what's there to make it hold hang on hang on So you're telling me that if the shut Sun shield fails its game over Yes, and if the mirrors fail, we're still fine. Oh, I would say it would be easy Isn't that the whole point of the mission of the mirrors like the Sun shield? Come on The mirror you need the mirror to take the photos. That's the whole point of the time But if you need the photon if you cannot get as cold as the instruments need to be then What's the point of even having the mirror if you can't see the light? It's it's infrared so it's not up You're not taking a picture. You're looking at There's no photons. You're the no, but you're not looking at photons. You're looking at heat signatures Aren't we looking at heat signatures from photons effectively? It's a type of radiation. So it works. Yeah, so Okay, I just I just It's much more it's much more critical. It's much more critical that it be cold. Yes, then it be focused I mean when Hubble was out of focus We were still able to work with computer algorithms and develop systems that could allow Those images from Hubble just just before the servicing mission in 1993 to actually get exceed what was done with ground-based telescopes A lot of people think that Hubble was basically like like dead in the water When it was when it was found that the mirror was flawed. No, it wasn't it was still better than ground-based telescopes It just wasn't as good as they were expecting it to be You know what hang on. I think you've convinced me That's actually very valid argument because like we can compensate for a problem with the mirrors on the ground Yeah, using code that we figured out for Hubble not just but we cannot compensate for the loss of a heat shield Yeah, so a sun shield the block to heat we can't compensate for that The mirrors yes Someone in our chat room is saying Christopher saying I'm a Jared on this the mirrors are more forgiving than a torn shield The mirrors if the mirrors are actually not set where they're supposed to be right now Don't I thought but I thought that yeah I push it to the bottom of the screen and he made it go full screen so Rock rock on 2022. It's it's one of those things where the mirrors are actually not even lined up correctly on launch Like the mirrors on James and James Weber right now just scrambled all over the place They're gonna dial in each individual mirror sure and set it up So if there was like an actual flaw in the the shape of the individual mirrors They could actually just move the individual mirrors to compensate for it. I'm assuming it was assuming they can Yeah, small enough that you could pull that off But I mean you could you very well could loopy as a point says the mechanics of moving the mirrors are simpler See we got our we got our yes mojo back Dada like I saw you do that and then I went to it on air One or two more shows The mirrors are just That's a long-standing aerospace joke All right, so yes, I think Jared I will I see to you. Yes, I do I it's not seeding You're just understanding I guess Just less ignorant there's no competition involved in this. It's just making sure A little bit of competition, but I mean you're you you're not as dumb now as you were say five Right That's well that's the title of the show We are running showbot, I don't know if I remember you Yeah, I gotta check that hang on. Oh, yeah, Johnny Spacer is asking Don't the sun shields need to be still be tight and tensioned. They already were tensioned That was a part of the deployment process each they had all five of them They stacked them up and then eventually They would tension one layer at a time and work with that. So yeah, that's been dealt with already. We're good It looks like there have been No to minimal tears in the Sun shield because web is at the temperatures that it should be right now And yeah, we're very excited. No to minimal shares tears Well, we don't we don't know exactly if there is, you know Instrumentation can help tell us that Image sensing device. That's not how that works At all to visit to view a tear Yeah, because those the Sun shield except for the side that's gonna be facing the Sun is in complete darkness completely pitch black So best of luck Trying to get an image of something with that at all in any wavelength. Good luck. So All right, that's James. I mean even in it people were even say Well, well, you could do an infrared you know sensor to take a look at that But remember your infrared sensors have to be colder than what you're looking at So that means that that's like sensors would have to be colder than the actual telescope itself And the telescope is already super cold to see super cold thing It's just you know, it's this one thing leads to another That's like those people who are like why don't you launch a rocket next to the rocket with cameras So you can watch the first rock exactly. Yeah, why don't we do that? That's a great idea I have now basically if you say booey, I swear to you I have now put in my head that that the that the equivalent of Just put a buoy so you could see the video at landing is now then the new version of that now is why it just put a Camera on James Webb so you could see it deploy. So yeah, that's my new my new one. So a little logic c910 Yeah For those for those of you watching live if you hit exclamation s so that that's the show bot and then After that type in what you want to call this episode That will submit your name for the episode into show bot and then you can go to tomorrow Tmro. Show bot dot TV and vote for your favorite. I accidentally put test in there, but whatever See no, I'm laughing at Harry stranger in our our chat room saying just run an ethernet cable to it So nicely done good one. All right anything else on James Webb I mean we're still waiting and we actually how much longer do we have to wait because we stopped wait for it to literally Get there. Yeah, so that the two major things with three major things that we have to deal with now with James Webb are Tomorrow are actually in about 12 hours or so We're gonna start the movement of the starboard side wing mirror to fold it out and lock it in place That start a starboard movement. So once that's done, that's all the major deployments are done at that point That is our last major deployment After that They will begin to go into what they call the commissioning phase. So basically they're gonna start moving those mirrors individually They're not gonna do it immediately. They're gonna make sure that everything on the telescope is what it needs to do So I would expect probably end of next week. So when we have the next show That's probably when they will start moving the mirrors in that time period. They're gonna make sure everything's working good But yeah, it's they've got that and then eventually the the commissioning commissioning I guess is what you call it. That's when And then also we have to fire the engines Or thrusters once more to get into L2 At the earth moon earth sun Lagrangian point. That makes sense, right? You got a like get like you get you don't want to keep going Yeah, that's bad Typically typically I call I would call that poor form Poor form poor form Exactly slightly Yeah, and Johnny Spacer asking in the chat room. When will the first image be from from the scope about June sometime in June Is when we should get the first images. So yeah, and actually I would be very surprised if They weren't absolutely, you know gung-ho. I'm trying to get some cool test images out. Maybe as well So so it I'd say June at the latest I miss this. So this is an interesting calm comment from Alejandro. I believe Just to give some horror on On to Jared. I'm gonna say those thrusters used for the elder Lagrange to insertion weren't the same ones used earlier in the mission so they could fail Why I don't understand why Did they fail earlier? No, they did not fail earlier. There's two sets of thrusters So the first set of thrusters is for the first the first two mid-course Corrections that had to do on the way out these two are positioned in different places because your center of mass and your center of gravity and all the other stuff has Changed because the telescope has now deployed that makes so you have to have the thrusters in a different position because the correct place to Add the brakes at has now shifted because the size of the the mass has been distributed differently That's legit cool. Yes like that. They had to think about that after we deploy all this stuff We need to move the thrusters. Yes, because our our CG is shifted. Mm-hmm So there's literally amazing one set of thrusters for When web is in a certain configuration and then another set of thrusters for when web is in its full configuration Yeah, and then also they're gonna be able to use those thrusters as well Again, if they need to like if they need to despin the systems on board to It's my mind's blanking on them They blow the reaction wheels if they need to despin those or spin back up You know kind of work with that to get them set and add some more time on the operations of the telescope So would you want to keep the reaction wheels running like that's that's holding you stable, isn't it? Yes No, they they they store Momentum and you can you'll run at risk of over speeding them. Oh, that makes sense Yeah, so you want to you actually want to stop them. You have to spend that momentum and in some way Yeah, in order to be able to retain their usefulness. Yeah So Keevis is actually asking her the thrusters position So web can keep its sun shield facing sun attitude during L2 insertion burn or does it have to reorient for the burn everything that has happened? since sun shield deployment is in in that shadow so ha ha and basically the mirrors have Have had minimal touch by the Sun if even any on the way out It's it was every everything was done to put minimal thermal load on the stuff That's gonna be cold. So cool. Yeah, have that if you may have answered this But have they started chilling like when when's chilling began and chilling has already started And how long does chill take? Um, so technically the chilling started as soon as they oriented The parts that are gonna get cold out of the Sun because they're gonna lose heat, right? Oh, that makes sense. Yeah Um, so that's why that's one of the big reasons the Sun shield is there is because it provides a huge amount of Ability to cool those instruments just by itself. Oh, I am a dumb thermodynamics question if I may ask Okay, give my ignorance here. Yeah, so you said as soon as it's out of the the Sun It's gonna start to cool That would require radiate out that energy somewhere. Where does that energy radiate? There's no atmosphere for it to radiate to so is it just radiating to other objects nearby like where does that energy go? well, there are radiators on Web itself that basically transfer that data. I think you could speak to this probably a lot more accurate at least than I can right because that Thermo's not my area of expertise. That's for sure I'm actually not sure how that works in space. Yeah fair. All right So if anyone knows the answer to my question leave in the comments by the way, I did find out though it might just dissipate as as Radiation Okay, from the thing. Yeah, because it's literally like literally dumping infrared over a board I guess so we're looking at infrared by dumping infrared so right here comes the here comes the Comments has the answer. All right, cool radiation works with no need for atmosphere. Otherwise, we wouldn't feel the Sun's heat Okay. Yeah, that's fair. That makes it Yeah, that makes sense. Although we see what you can you're saying that but we are in atmosphere feeling the Sun's heat Yes, but I Get what you're saying. It's our atmosphere. So cool Yeah, so good stuff. All right good stuff with that Ryan. You've sat there silently looking slightly bored If not very tired What have you got both but bored? Oh, it's good to know that we have bored Ryan He's tired That's a strong start for 20. You know what also Ryan you're off. Hold up. I didn't catch this before We're just gonna move There you go. He's centered now. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, sorry or a little earthquake. It's me This may be bad. Oh, yeah, sure. Well, that's funny until you know, this is this is a this is yeah, no kidding This this station sometimes has Shocks when the thrusters go off, you'll see the whole thing kind of yeah, we have to we have to de-spin. Yeah, exactly de-saturate our React our thingies Ryan. We filmed a Star Trek episode last week. It's fine. It's fine Ryan What are you excited about in 2022? I want to start off with a with a quick fact and I'm gonna have to read it I know right. I'm gonna have to read it. So I can't look at you everyone. I'm gonna have to look at my monitor Because I'm not gonna remember it all so 2022 Starlink group four mission five that marks the third year in a row where SpaceX have been the first Like entity to launch into orbit that year. So Starting off in 2020 SpaceX launched Starlink to first launch of the year Last year was Turks at 5a and obviously this year Starlink group four five It's the fifth successive year that SpaceX has been the first or second orbital departure from earth with them being first in 2018 with zoomer and second in 2019 with a radium eight and it's the sixth successive first second or third orbital departure from earth they were the Third departure in 2017 with a radium one, which I think just goes to show how Kind of crazy their launch cadence has been it's not they want to go so much further whether it was starship, but even now with falcon. They're one of Excluding china. They're one of the biggest entities in terms of amount of launches per year and they One of the fastest as well for three years running now. They've been the first launch of the year I you know, I actually wonder if there's a month Where SpaceX has launched more in like a 30-day period than the united launch alliance has launched in like a single year So now i'm kind of like wondering if that's a thing that has actually ever happened So and I don't know this took me like three hours to figure out, which is ridiculous, but Yeah, I might go digging. How many launches did they end up doing last year? Yeah, let me look There's so many that I know I found it. Yeah, it was just a lot in that cadence. That's that's really really absurd Where it's it? Where is it? Here it is right screenshot. So I remember now so Cape Canaveral as a whole had 31 launches last year the falcon nine alone flew 31 times So SpaceX with one rocket are matching the entire Launch cadence out of Cape Canaveral obviously they made up the majority of that But it also shows that they're flying out of vandenberg as well and the other launch providers out of the Cape On on SpaceX's level at all. Yeah, no other no other launch provider out of Cape Canaveral has hit double digits this in 2021 I was going to say too. I think because of that and also china just launching as much as well that 2021 has been one of the like highest numbers of launches launch attempts and successful launches since like the mid 1960s something like that It was like it was some absurd statistic I saw that I think jonathan mcdowell Who is from the? smithsonian astrophysics stuff. It's it's Oh, yeah, it's okay. Alejandro saying in our chat not one of 2021 it's been the most so there you go So that you know SpaceX pushing that cadence china pushing that cadence as well that they've been Well as well man, they are just like they are just clicking and of course It's just continuing on as well and there's some interesting interesting stuff like yesterday's uh, spacex Launch with starlink. Um, they had the starlings with lasers on them if I remember correctly, right? Yeah, they did Um, yeah, so they're going to be able to laser to the laser to each other I don't know whether that's the correct terminology or not But theoretically and hopefully it will increase Sorry decrease the amount of time it gets to it takes to communicate between the satellites which will Increase your internet speed. Yeah, and are there any other like advantages with that as well like ground stations and stuff To be honest, I'm not too sure That could be but I I don't know. Yeah, because I I could imagine if you can talk between your satellites You can actually maybe use like fewer ground stations and stuff like that So it would work. What was that? Nothing. I thought I heard that so But yeah, that's uh, that's pretty that's pretty cool. So they can actually pull that off and make that make that happen Um, oh maddy's actually asking a good question in our chat room Which is is there any info on how big the set of laser sats are or are they just testing a few of them? I know Let me think Um, yesterday's launch. It was yesterday, right? Oh two days ago for me But yesterday's launch for all of you who are still on january 7th It was a full batch. They feel that faring up as far as they could So that was a full batch of starling satellites that they sent out there, but I'm not I don't know the total number of satellites I'll be sending out I believe if this is the next generation of starling satellites The next version then I presume they're gonna have lasers on them But I'm not sure. Yeah, and I'm just looking in the chat room and basically everybody is is saying You know, uh, panpal like is saying, you know, that's that's the point of laser to make it work without the ground stations Joe Bowden saying your laser comms between the sats are for that exact purpose to not require as much ground comms Like I would imagine that definitely helps out because you don't want your internet, you know bunched up On on the ground if you're trying to do it with satellites So like be a bit of a way to work with that I also imagine too that would allow you to provide internet to places Where you like just don't maybe maybe not possible to get put a ground station In you know, yeah, that would that would make sense Like I was just thinking the other day about, you know, the really high inclination Starlings are they going to be able to like see the north and the south pole because then you could actually provide You know direct links for communication of the things like that with them I know south pole station north pole. They usually have that I can't remember how they do it at south pole station. It's like a old Oh gosh, I want to say it's like one of the goes satellites or something from the 90s that they use It's a buoy. It's a buoy. Okay. I did not know They just have a really long ethernet cable Yeah, I mean, you know, we saw we get our photos from the mars rovers is a big hdmi cable with that there. So, um, yeah I was just about to say, um Uh Um, I'm trying to grab this here. There we go. Michael torrento saying, uh, why no discussion of moose and moose Moose moon and mars links. They seem like perfect test payloads. So, um, I I don't know if that's asking like a starlink system for the moon or mars Or if there's like laser talking about laser comms just in general So maybe clarify that one Michael and we'll come back to you Um with that, but I actually I was just going to say I believe Uh, the psyche mission which is launching this year. They're going to have a laser comm system For for a demonstration on their flight and that's a interplanetary mission. So I'm pretty I'm pretty excited about that Um to lasers lasers lasers, you know, just going with oh, yeah, michael's saying all of the above So, yeah, I guess you could set up a laser sat system at the moon and mars and make it work I mean That sounds pretty viable to me. And if you're going to get a something like starship Starship super heavy up and running then I think you've got a launcher that could be capable of doing that. So yeah, would be nice So especially at the moon, you know, I could stream all of my shows that I wanted to watch at the moon So I hold up. I just want to confirm Jared you take a flight to the moon And and when you get to the moon, I just want to confirm you're saying That's when you watch netflix. No, I'm just saying You're on the moon you've taken a trip to the moon and you're like, you know what this is pretty But I'm gonna go ahead. I I don't want to get behind I don't want to get behind on uh, it's just it's called making conversation. Yeah, was it? Yeah, okay, because I'm not gonna do that if I go to the moon. Yeah, I I'm going ham on everything else Oh, yeah, yeah, the only thing to look at at the moon is magnificent desolation Yes, but like yes, and like that's amazing. So watch robert says watch the apollo 11 movie on the moon Of course Oh, all right. Oh actually hang on that would be kind of fun. Like it get why would you bring fiction? get Leave your leave your hate comments below, uh, so what get get your tmro.tv Yeah, yeah, send send your letters to dada is a bastard 204 here's what I think you need to do Get an eva suit Be outside, right? It's a little velcro thing. Have your ipad here and watch like apollo 11 Like on on a laid-back like reclining chair sort of thing like on your arm with an earth rise in the background Which I don't think earth actually would ride. I think it would just be there, right? Yeah. Yeah, you wouldn't really rise You'd need to be in a vehicle for that to happen, but watch an earth rise. That somehow works It's fine. It's fine. But yeah ignore the physics ignore physics physics doesn't apply on the moon Physics is different on the moon. Yeah, but yeah, just that would be great. Yeah. Well, I mean act It's not physics that's different. It's just gravity. It's great name right now different physics. That works acting unit Oh dot eight says they watch space balls and inspiration for they did so yeah, so I can see on the broadcast chris and roski really um Indulging in the in-flight entertainment, which would be useful on starship if you're going on a nine-month trip to mars You want to you want to be able to have some good in-flight entertainment Yeah, just a little bit so and of course our resident moonabomber Vax is in the moon. Did somebody say moon? That was the l cross mission, right? Yes Yeah, exactly where they uh, they impacted the moon and back smash back smash He had some of the software or the software not some of the software some of the software and music that impacted the moon Yeah, so Ryan just to kind of throw like a general football your way or soccer ball your way uh Or or uh formula one car your way Okay, don't throw you painful, but okay. Why can't why can't we there's no rules in formula one anymore. Um, so That one's gonna cost me Jared jared at tm Jared is a bastard So um just in general like what's the big stuff that we should be expecting from space x this year Like what are what are those big ones that we that we should be anticipating? You know Chomping at the bit to hopefully finally happen The biggest thing uh, the elephant in the room will obviously be the orbital flight test from whatever starship and super heavy combination they decide to use at the moment Elon Musk is still adamant it's ship for and um No ship 20 and booster form you can take it's late But there have also been a couple of inside cases saying that that won't be what happens So we're just gonna have to wait and see what happens with that obviously The delay of the environmental review from the f a a that's not gonna help with this either but Yeah, it's just hopefully it doesn't get delayed anymore that it already is But that is the biggest thing that's probably gonna come out of space x in the subsequent quest That's not a word the subsequent Tests that come after that. Yes. What time is it there ryan? One it's 1 31 in the morning. Is that right? I don't know. I don't know Yeah, so it is a tie So ryan, you have a little leeway because it's like super super early or late However, you want to describe it for yourself With that there actually I want to bring up something. Um, which uh falcon heavy hasn't launched in a very long time But we have to have at least I forgot about falcon heavy. We have to oh my god. Oh my gosh I don't forget about falcon heavy. Remember remember falcon heavy. Remember falcon heavy. I'm disappointed in myself for that We're gonna get at least one this year because as Alejandro is saying psyche, which is going to launch on a falcon heavy Um, yes, that is set in its launch window. So it has to launch in that time period So we're gonna get at least one so this is yeah, I think it's a minimum of one and a maximum of five at the moment I think because there was going to be a falcon heavy launch for the space force. I believe in November end of november early december-ish time. I think Yeah, that's been pushed to 2022. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, and uh, that's really exciting. Are we finally do you think we're finally going to get three cores all together? Oh, that'll be so sweet Yes, it would be I'm really intrigued into The entire two booster Sidecalls landing on drone ships because how close are they going to be are they going to be close together like at the landing pads? Or are they going to be kilometers apart? I want to see what happens with that because if they're like next to each other in the sea both on drone ships That would look super cool But also is that safe you want to be able to recover both both boosters at the same time? And just to see a picture of both boosters coming into port next to each other that would just be incredible Yeah, you know, I figure if the two boosters, um, it's unsafe for them to Uh, be near each other then they shouldn't be landing as close as they do to each other on land So, um, I would imagine probably out on the ocean. It'll be a little bit, you know further apart Actually, you know what? Um, kind of thinking about I have the opportunity to be slightly further apart because I can put the boats wherever they want But it's the coolness factor that matters. Does it look pretty? That's all rocket launches are about If you're not going to film it with a buoy then why why do they need to be next week? Yeah That's exactly why we do things the way we do in aerospace is is it's the coolness factor Like we could totally launch psyche like days ago But we're just doing it in in sept September october because it's cool to launch at that time So, um, which actually that does lead to one of our things from the chat That i'm going to go ahead and just kind of answer real quick from Thomas it's spelt very interestingly. They're cool. What's a psyche a psyche is a big metallic asteroid That's pronounced tomas Tomas Excuse me, uh, or is it or is it tomas? um Psyche is a big metal asteroid that the emission cult psyche Is going to be visiting and it's actually the first Large metallic body that we are going to ever visit So nobody really knows what it's going to look like when you said it's a big metal asteroid I heard you say that in dr brule's like Did anyone else hear that? Really really big spacecraft up on a fralcon heavy So great. It's got it's got like 45 engines on it. It's cool It's like I got like three back at my house and we're gonna be sending it off to this big metal asteroid Nobody really cares about but it gave me a name. It's called it's it's called Strikas That is indeed what I heard in my head when you said that that's basically what I heard Excellent good. You're an idiot for drinking coffee at the end of that Yeah, I did I did so when you probably have noticed that but like I turn away from my microphone and grab a swing of coffee from time to time And like I usually wait for the camera to be off air, but I was drinking coffee as he was doing his thing and so that I'm Trying to not spit it back out over the microphone Doing that before the punchline is risky. It was risky and it was not great Yeah, so asteroid called metallica. Yeah, that's a good one Johnny. I like it. Yeah, so So Ryan just want to ask with starship super heavy What's going to happen this year with with not just the orbital flight, but all of starship super heavy because it looks like with Starship we're seeing a redesign happening again in the bottom, right? Uh, yeah, uh, even once again engines more Another redesign. Yes, um, three more another one engines three more wrapped of vacuum engines to the bottom of the ship um And there'll be raptor twos as well I believe which is the new generation upgraded version of raptor is in the name And they'll perform though. They will provide a lot more performance benefits over raptor one They'll also not be compatible with previous raptor one ships So if you want to fly your new engines on old ships, you can't do that So pretty much any ships that are being built up to this point Once raptor two comes in they're kind of redundant They're kind of pointless you don't really need to use them anymore Which also ties back into we'll boost a foreign ship 20 be the the two Uh vehicles to fly up to orbit together Raptor two is really going to be game changing and in in this sector And just uh for anybody who's watching that may not actually know what raptor two is Can you just give like a quick quick run down as to what raptor two is? Like what are the things that they're doing now? That is a good question But I'm just curious how many in the audience don't know what raptor one or raptor two never know I I'm fair. No, that's fair. That's fair. I'm just I actually legitimately am curious Leave your comments below I'm trying data. Please tell me But I asked like it's a legitimate question. I'm just curious I'm I don't know because I don't know the audience. I'm legitimately curious Is this an answer that you find useful? So do like do answer. I'm I'm but I'm curious. I don't know Uncle bs doesn't know so yeah uncle bs yeah Currently SpaceX have Raptor one it's split up into three variants. So you have uh raptor one What's it called raptor one center? Raptor boost and Raptor vacuum so raptor center that goes in the middle That goes into the ship and into the middle of super heavy they're steerable and Use at sea level for launch and landing and then you have the boost variant Which is basically just a non-gimbling version of that And then you have the vacuum variant which has a larger bell nozzle Which is uh more efficient in vacuum conditions and raptor two is just going to be an improved Generation of that so it will have more refined plumbing and it will have better performance and basically Be better than raptor one is Gotcha. Okay. So it's gonna I have refined plumbing Do you? How refined is your plumbing? redesigned bottom end do Pretty pretty refined Sorry, you said it. I couldn't help myself. I'm sorry I try to keep the transgender stuff off the channel, but that was too big of a door not to walk through That's okay. I could not take it. I couldn't not take it. You can talk about incredibly complex and high risk Stuff all the time right So put that there. So yeah, so really really cool stuff. So is there anything else for 2022 about SpaceX that you want to highlight ryan? Um, well very recently a few days ago. They did test out the catch arms. They made them Um, open up wider than they did before they did one test last year Um, but it didn't go like this Yeah, it went out. They did it like this So it went from like here and then it went to it went from like like 70 super chat to 80 super chat Thanks, thanks. Thanks for that. That's great. That's great last year. It did move a little bit But this year it went fully they extended it as far as they can I believe and they also moved it up and down a little bit They haven't done any high speed tests yet Which you'll need if you're catching a booster that's coming back towards the earth But it is progress and it's very cool to see these massive arms designed to catch a massive rocket move at what is Well, it's not a very quick pace, but it will be a quick pace, but it is a pace You can see it move which is exciting. Yeah, that's going to be like amazing to witness a rocket Being a rocket being caught first of all that just is like ridiculous. Yeah, that's just it sounds silly It really it honestly it sounds silly It's like somebody throwing hot dogs in the air and you're trying to catch it with tongs as you're running around You know, yeah, that's yeah, so good I think that would get like a million a hundred million views on youtube. You think so Yeah, you throw a hot dog and it's like catch it with tongs. Nice. I think so Yeah, yeah, that'd be a popular youtube Also, I want to know um when when um when the vehicle gets caught Do you want on the webcast? Should we go boop and make that noise? Should we make a boop noise? Only if you're also going to have a oh if you miss it Oh boys good good stuff Um, so any predictions or things that you want to see spacex do in 2022 like I guess those are two separate things But hey, let's throw them together um Okay, um, I think spacex are gonna Now I've got to think about this one because I do not know the full extent of um, how many gauntresses they're planning to do this year But I think Thanks I I think Gotcha I think spacex may have a chance to try and catch up to china a little bit But china just launched they never really tell us when they're launching so that may be difficult And also they did over 50 launches last year by themselves spacex did 31 So I think they could have a chance at getting it But I'm not too sure to be honest. It would be cool to see them try and catch up to an entire nation And I think it would be possible. It just depends on how many starting launches they're planning to launch How many orbital flights they do with starship and how many customers they get for non-starling falcon launches Yeah, um, how many starlink launches do they need to get billions of star of starlink satellites in orbit? a lot Like a very large. That's true. I'm not A very large number So I'm picturing my calendars. You guys are talking and it is not a good image It's not a good image in my head Oh boy any any other predictions or wants ryan because I've got mine. So Um, I don't really have it. I haven't really predicted anything because It'll probably be wrong. Okay. Okay. I'm more I'm more just um, see what happens because um Nothing will actually change depending on what you predict or not But seeing them try and like get out catch up to china That would just be that would be something that I'm genuinely interested to see if a private company could catch up To an entire nation's um launch cadence. Yeah Um, I always love doing like predictions and stuff because it's great because like if you make a prediction and you're wrong Um, people will come back and be like you idiot. Um, if you make a prediction And it's better than your prediction. People will come back and be like you're an idiot. Um, so So it's win-win I guess some of the things that i'm gonna predict I think So I think for uh, the Super heavy starship orbital flight. I think it'll make it all the way. I think it'll splash down In the pacific I think I think it is the engines will fire There you go. So which ones I think the engines will fire. Uh, the Raptor one or raptor two Oh, no, that's an interesting question. I'm just kidding. Oh, okay. I wouldn't answer that I wouldn't answer that so super heavy or starship. Which engines are gonna fire? Um, super heavy engines will fire Starship will separate and from there on Starship engines will fire and that's as far as I'll go. Okay. Okay interesting interesting Uh, same same prediction on sls. How far do you think that'll get? Although so this will go all the way. I know that um With weight it's so long I'm just gonna say it'll get all the way there and if I'm wrong me can all shout at me. There you go Yeah, exactly. I I mean I'm with that sls is going to make it all the way too I think it's going to be just a fantastic year for aerospace to begin with It's I'm thinking there's I just have like a feeling there's going to be tons of success Um this year in aerospace and that would be fantastic if that ends up. Yep, exactly It'd be fantastic if that ends up happening for a lot of the folks involved in it Um, I also think that uh SpaceX is going to have a falcon nine booster fly within one week of landing So I think that may may possibly happen this year So you mean the same booster so it lands and then it goes back up. Yep. Does anyone know I legit don't know this What's the fastest turnaround time for a booster right now? Like 27 days, I think. Okay. So that's a reasonable. Yeah, I think so I think they'll be able to do it within a week and that would be amazing So bringing it out from a month down to a week. Yes. Yeah, I think that's doable this year That's a big step. It is a big step But I feel like there's been There's been enough years and enough data in those years that that we can that big step can finally be taken So, but we'll see, you know, there's just Tons of things so Um, yeah, and then I think we're gonna get uh Let's say we're gonna get three falcon heavies this year And one of them only I'll go I'll go five. Okay. You go the full five. Okay And I'm gonna just say only one of them is going to have all three cores recovered So I think it's going to be a little little difficult with the center core I think one of them is being it the core is being expended anyway. Oh, is it? Okay. Well, never mind I'm not sure which mission it is but I know I know at least one mission is having the center core expended Are you are you predicting that the center core of an expended rocket will not be recovered? Jared? I just want to confirm And so it begins Jared and yes, here we go. Hey, it's the first one of the year. I've got to set a barn somewhere I just might as well set it under the table Into the into the area below us, you know might as well. So You know, let's actually the launches where the uh side boosters are being recovered on the drone ships That they can't recover that core stage because they're gonna have to get of course. I still love you back through the panamarka now Yeah, okay fair enough fair enough on that front. Yeah, it'd be pretty pretty cool with that um My such sane predictions the space launch system will not be recovered That's a solid prediction solid prediction pretty good pretty good. We're gonna hold you to that one Actually, hang on that that's not you like we're we're laughing but the solids They're not going to recover them either. They're not. Hold up. We're not we're not recovering the solids. Nope No, they're dumping them. Nope the whole I'm just gonna be over here NASA decommissioned their solid booster recovery ships One of them one of them turned into a research vessel. So the uh But they never really saw a financial gain from recovering them, right? Like they realized the cost almost as much to just Build them new than it did to refurbish them. Is that was that a true statement? I feel like I heard that somewhere, but I don't know if that's true I feel like if they include that and maybe the cost of maintaining the the ship's fleet So that might have been a reason behind it. Well, it's like great. Well, well That that would be absolutely true for the launch cadence that sls is expected to do. However If your launch cadence is higher like they expected shuttles to be I don't think that that's the case That's the tomorrow control room throwing shade on sls Yeah, well, there you go. Tell us words. Well, actually peter beck was kind of like not super keen on a naval fleet either I think it was a interview with tim dodley ever to ask you not if I remember, right? Yeah And he was talking about like the costs of what it would cost a small company like the laboratory to Ships are expensive. Ships are expensive. And so he was like, I don't want to do this We're just gonna return to launch site though every time and I found that really fascinating because I I don't have insight into that data. So I don't know and he's talking about like how much money it cost Just to keep the ship birthed You know At the dock and I was like, that isn't that's crazy. That's crazy. It's more expensive than parking a plane I don't know how expensive parking a plane is so Me is it more expensive than parking a rocket? I don't know Actually, I don't think that was a bit of a flex So what what I just said I mean he's gonna have to park his rocket, right? You gotta put the rocket somewhere. I guess I suppose if you own the landing pad then that's easier There's also the effect of salt water on moving machinery. Yeah, there's that. Oh, yeah. Yeah Salt metal loves salt water all metal loves salt water I never I never have to fight that ever. It's just fine. It's fine. Yeah, it's good stuff. So it's tasty Oh Also, thank you, Joe. Thank you Joe Joe says this dream is just for jamie to learn what's going on out there. You you thought you thought you had a life me no I think and back. Oh this show is going somewhere in fact says parking your rocket sounds like a euphemism for something Yeah, we were talking about plumbing earlier All right, I feel like we've gone off the rails with the SpaceX segment as we always do so, uh, really really good stuff. So You know Ryan, we always talk to you about SpaceX stuff. Do you have anything else you wanted to talk about like Or are you um lego? Lego, yeah, you got some sweet. Is that that's a nice I got a christmas present. I got a christmas present. Uh-oh Is that the limb Is indeed I'm gonna have to come back because of where the camera's focused but Oh It's so chunky. That's a fun. I know right and and it comes apart. I can play with it. It's brilliant. What? Take it apart. Yeah, show like show us separation. Well lego is designed to come apart. That's not what I mean Sometimes oh magical See now you need to do that. You need to tilt your camera up as you do that just kind of Have the camera and then all the conspiracy theorists feel like you're not actually there And then you can even this bit comes apart. Hang on. Let me Magic there we go. Wow, that's not meant to happen in real life. By the way I feel like that's a really bad day for the astronauts. That's not a good time. You can see inside. Well, it's blurry But it's it's dark. It's dark. Yeah, or the uh, I just wanted to ask the uh, co2 scrubbers are the cartridges square? I Actually went into that much detail, you know when you show when when you held it up We were looking through the front glass when you did that, right? So we were looking through the back of the unit through the front glass and that reminded me of the hbo series I think it was from the earth of the moon, right? Such a fantastic series. It's such a fantastic series and then specifically the part where they're like They're trying to design the lamb that episode is called spider and it's my favorite episode And not just because one of my friends is one of the act one of the engineers in it Like it's it's an amazing episode because it really talks about how engineering works and things like that I I love the moment where he's like, I don't see it and the engineers are like, okay And and they come back in there and he's like, what the heck is this like we're showing it to you And I was like, oh my god. That's how that's how it is We built we built it out of plywood and then here sit down and that was cardboard, wasn't it? I think it was cardboard. Yeah, there's something like that. Yeah, and then and then it was a crafting episode It was a crafting episode, but it works that works that works so well in engineering being able to physically show it and be like No, no, this is what I mean people like there's something in the brain where you can go. Yeah Oh, I get that. Yeah, no, this does make sense. It's it's even why in a era of like 3d CAD and VR that you're still gonna often make physical mock-ups of things, you know 3d printing or or just a real like actual big mock-up like the national team did with their lander So there's there's something to be said about a you know full-size Super good, you know Well, I mean the thing with it and and to like I the first company that I worked for with a like a real CAD job where I was designing stuff and then we had to build stuff Um, it actually broke my brain The first time I saw one of my CAD models in its in its Totality completed in front of me in physical physical life Because it's so much bigger than you think and then all of your proportions are just the same So it's like it kind of blows your mind a little bit to actually be there in front of something The other thing I really enjoyed about that episode was the thought because they're How do I word this? When you've never done something before it's it's easy to look at something and go obviously But when it's something like that has never been built before It's not obvious. It's not actually obvious. So like standing next to the window seems obvious now But you know when you're used to vehicles like an automobile where you've got a windscreen there You know, they were built or or or the cockpit of uh airplane, right? You've got a windscreen there or Previous spacecraft that just had seats in them, right? Yeah, you have seat. Obviously you need to sit, right? Yeah, but and you know, these engineers are sitting they're going They're questioning everything down to do you need to sit? And it's like I feel I feel like you do Do you and then like you could totally change the design? And it was just amazing to see that iteration of like No, no, maybe they can just stand the whole time like who cares and and you know instead of this giant windscreen Wouldn't be a windscreen Yeah All that space wind, uh, but you know You know Yeah, instead of a giant solar windscreen Ryan I heard that I missed it. What do you say? Did I get did I get I said that's how all the uh flags on the moon work Oh my god We built this multi-billion dollar studio to make this happen and somebody left the air conditioner on Ryan Ryan doesn't say a lot, but when he does say things. It's really great. It's really great Um, yeah, anyhow, okay That that that's me being done over uh from the earth to the moon We got Jared to snort you did oh my god um All right. What what are we finishing up here with are you got anything else Jared? Anything else that we're excited about you Dada? We actually don't normally go to you and you have a camera and a microphone so we can totally I do i'm i'm excited for next week We can tell from the tone in your voice. Yeah, I I can't say anything else. That's fantastic uh, but anything anything in 2022 that excites you for spaceflight like, um You know all the different launches different missions like what what makes you go What's getting your space nerd Geekery going. Yeah, I can't tell you Copy that I understand how you see this is where Dada does his version of this. Yep. Yep Careful there All right, um, oh maddie said did I say what I was excited about in 2022? Yeah, what about our Comments comment towards tag us Jamie give us all the things you're excited about. Um, you know So I feel like I say the same thing every year. It feels like all of this foundation work I I don't I don't know that everyone understands or How do I wear this it feels like there's gonna be a moment in time where it feels like everything happened really quickly Right like all of a sudden humans are on the moon and it feels like out of the blue We went from nothing to humans on the moon, but that's not actually how this goes. This is a multi-decadal process I don't know if that's a word, but it is now And sure it's a word, right? Uh, but but this has taken A very long time and there are a lot of companies involved government agencies Everything that goes into getting humans back onto the moon Or onto mars or wherever it may be right and I'm I'm excited for all of this foundational work To be put into place to enable humanity to go to the moon and there are huge strides being made potentially in 2022 Space launch systems one of them starships another one of them Other companies that are coming to the fold Who we don't even know what they're working on yet because they're still in stealth mode All of those things are super exciting to me and we're gonna see You know, we've been watching all of these things slowly start to unfold for the like the last What would you say like five years been five years or so, right easily Yeah, yeah, but like we've really started so it's been going longer than five years the last little strides been Five years. Yeah, that last push has been like four or five years And so this is we're kind of continuing that but and I don't want to say we're nearing the end But we're almost nearing the beginning of the next push. I think we're maybe Two years away two three years away The the runners are starting to get close and the baton is starting to reach out Yeah, exactly and and it's kind of exciting to at least it's kind of that we're starting to it's like a slow motion lean forward Or like where you're starting to be like, oh, this is gonna be cool photo No, the algorithm That's what gets me excited and so every year it's kind of the same because it's You know pushing humanity a little bit more a little bit more a little bit more But I I really think I think that push is exciting and it's fun And it's interesting to watch it unfold. Yeah, and you know, we're alive in an incredible time where I can watch it unfold I don't have it handy, but like on my phone Right your big phone my this is that's your phone. Hello That's where you oh, that's the rotary this is the new samsung galaxy extra max Is that where the rotary? It's got a rotary mode Oh my god, that would be a fun. That would be a fun app, right? Because you got that screen just like overbeats a rotary dialer on a oh, yeah, that'd be amazing All right, so that's what I that's what I'm excited for I actually am as much as I enjoy giving jared a hard time and a heart attack over james So I have space telescope. I actually am excited for it to come online and I have Two orbiting telescopes like major orbiting platforms working concurrently and effectively kind of together Yes, right that's going to be that would be amazing. That will be a now would be will be co-observation Like one and a half man one and a half Well, Hubble keeps going offline It's fixed it'll be fine for now. It's fine. It's fine. We'll just fly a cube sat up to it The other thing that I'm really excited about and it's not going to really happy if I cube Fly up another an astronaut that bang it with a wrench Is this thing working now? Um, the other thing that's kind of exciting to me and something that I hadn't actually even thought about really until 2021 and It's not going to happen this year. But I think again, it's kind of that foundational work is um Commercial space stations So we talked a little bit about it like on the show not last year But but none of it felt super real Right, it was all kind of like here's an idea we have and maybe we can do this someday The balloon company went out of business, right? I don't think jp aerospace. No, no bigelow. Bigelow. Oh, the ball Yeah Oh, okay. Hang on. That's a fun thing that just happened You were joking about bigelow and the balloon company and I went to a different space balloon company Yeah, you didn't realize there was more than one space balloon company, but jp aerospace is actually doing cool things I forgot. Yes. Uh-huh. Yeah, there you go. So we had we had the one. Yeah, exactly No, bigelow's too busy out hunting crypts. No, we had jp on so I'm saying bigelow. Oh, bigelow's didn't we talk to somebody from bigelow too? I don't think so. No, I think there are two companies We've never been able to bring on the air one of them was bigelow And the other one is uh blue origin because both both companies do not believe that humanity should be excited about space Oh, look, oh my god, you uncle bs your cease and desist is in the mail. Yeah. Yeah, you know Well, no blue blue doesn't watch this show. I know. Well, no, that's not true I know there are blue engineers who watch the show, but blue blues The blue comms team doesn't because there isn't one. Um, all right Am I salty? Yes a little bit I don't understand their marketing strategy. I don't understand their social media strategy I don't think there is one like you Okay, fine. Don't come on tomorrow. I get it. We're not big enough. We're not it fine. That's fine, but then Have an interview with tim dot the everyday astronaut Like he's going to reach so many more people than if you try to go on CNN or you know some traditional like you're hitting all of these old school media outlets Yeah, but these questions might be hard. Yeah, that's why they're interesting. He's a really good interviewer Go to tim dot answer the hard questions. Guess what people are going to get excited And they're not going and then when you try to sue someone Like you're not going to have this huge Horrible backlash, but more importantly, let's ignore that. Let's just say, okay, you're ready for commercial spaceflight You're ready to start sending humans up there. You're ready to start doing your cis lunar economy You need people to be excited about what you're doing And if you alienate yourself prior to being able to get there What is the point? No one's going to want to support you. No one's going to want to give you your money their money, so Which will become your money So so it doesn't make sense to me do good will now so that you can do good things tomorrow Be good today so you can be good tomorrow. That should be their marketing strategy and it isn't And that's the end of it. You have to sell the people on why you're important Exactly even what even if i'm not the one writing the check today because I am a voter And so i'm voting in the politicians that you probably care about. Yes, so So Make me care and blue origin Really find some way. I don't know how they do this They have consistently found a way to make me dislike them and I love aerospace. I want to love what they're doing But somehow they make me go why Why anyhow, that's the end of my rant Sorry, it's a good thing the new twitter admin that'll fix it all the what The tricks are admin. They have a new twitter admin I need one. Oh, you know, actually, I don't think that would hurt I think just being a little bit better on social would be great. Yeah open up a little bit One of my favorite things about formula one is that all the teams are kind of like jokie to each other on social media And I don't see why that should I don't see why that can't be a thing amongst aerospace companies I mean, there's nothing wrong with with like, you know poking fun at each other Politely because elon is so much better at twitter than everyone else in aerospace that he would destroy them Like what do you agree with him or disagree with him? He's very good at that platform and like yeah He would wipe the floor with them Fair enough so But not the problem is that he would do it and not in good spirits Yes So all right. Is that our show? Did we did everyone enjoy that show? I hope I hope everyone enjoyed orbit 1501 and I didn't upset too many people You know, it is official as of this episode as if it wasn't official before blue origin will never be on this show They banned us for life. We we are blocked on their firewall. You can't even watch us Dada, that is the wrong image. I can't even look at the color blue So all right, I'll give data a hint as to where we need to go next I'd like to thank everyone who helped us to make this show possible Including there we go. Thanks. I have a preview screen and I can see where he was going and it wasn't the right place You said and those following this is the end. I have to thank everyone who helped make these shows happen These are escape velocity citizens. 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That's our show for this week We should be back next week and then I actually am doing one of those fabled vacations the week after that And I will be in Hawaii. It is the only state of the union that I've never been to Oh, really once I go to Hawaii, I will be able to say that I have been to all 50 states in the United States Well, I know why Hawaii is the best state. I've been to Alaska. Absolutely. Oh, nice. Yeah, it's beautiful. The glaciers are incredible I'm sorry, Ryan. I don't know why Hawaii is the best state. Why? It's the only flag that has the Union Jack in it It has a Union Jack in it. Cool. Mm-hmm neat Mm-hmm on that note, I'd like to thank everyone so much for watching and We'll see you next week. Oh, I have to stop the stream See for those that are members it keeps going and I forgot to hit the stop on the non membership It's a new year new year new me 14 years