 Welcome everyone. Welcome to the first new member Q&A via Zoom of 2024. Yep, we do this twice a month. I'm Betsy Coe and with me co-hosting tonight is Steve Greenwood. We're both in the Midwest and I'm just so happy to see as we were chatting before we started that there are you know some people who are brand brand new to wiki tree and I it wasn't that long ago for me really. I am about four years into my time at wiki tree and I still remember you know trying to figure things out and luckily there are just so many people who are helpful and willing to answer questions and so that that is one huge reason why I wanted to get back and do these sessions. I am a teacher outside of my my time in wiki tree. I'm a music teacher so teaching is sort of in my blood and brain so it you know I wanted to give those skills to the wiki tree community as well. My time on wiki tree, I spend it in a couple of projects. I'm in the England project, the Scotland, Wales, Canada. Those are my geographical projects. I'm also a mentor which means that I work with people one-on-one who need short-term assistance of a slight you know a little more in-depth than what we'll do here tonight. And I'm one of the events committee members so I help to run things like if you've been hearing a lot of buzz about connect-a-thon coming up you know I help with things like that. And I'm on the Saturday roundup livecast so anytime you are looking for something to do at 10 in the morning Eastern you can tune in on YouTube and hear about what's going on on wiki tree that week. Steve you want to say my turn? Yeah your turn. Well you've been here slightly longer than me. I've only been on wiki tree since 2020. I'm going to enter another person from the waiting room here. I actually have a lot of wiki experience. You'll notice that we use that word a lot around here wiki is any kind of program you know in this case an online program that you can edit other people can collaborate with you on different projects. I founded a couple of wikis in the 2000s so I have a little bit of experience with wiki you know with that form of program before coming on to wiki tree. So I had a little bit of a head start but you know there's always a new thing to get used to when you have a different layout and format. But the wiki tree community again like Betsy was saying is incredibly helpful. There's always someone available that is the real strength of this project is that you know the community is active and you can you know always find an answer someone's willing to help out. And I also contribute predominantly to Germany project and Notables project and I have a couple of space pages. I work on some one-place studies and some one-name studies and I'm just pretty much all over the place and I'm also a member of the events committee as well with Betsy. So we do some cooking up of some great ideas in the background for you guys to have some fun. So that's my appeal. And there is a lot going on. There's I mean continuing things from previous years but also some really exciting new activities going on. We had a question in the chat about what is connect-a-thon and I think that's that's a great great place to start. So Steve how many thons have you done? Successfully. I'm lucky if I get a handful of profiles in a given connect-a-thon because I'm just I'm either not as productive as the people because I'm a completist and I like to fill in one profile very well. So my numbers tend to be in like the 20s the 30s but I say I probably contributed to about you know maybe five or six various thons now since we started since I started. Yeah. You know the mixture of connect-a-thon source-a-thon wiki games any of those. Oh the wiki tree challenge I did contribute to a couple of those for some of the celebrities that we had and and then I got to host my own wiki tree challenge so that was cool last year. I remember well so what we have we have these things called thons and there's four of them a year three of them are all about connecting and then the fourth one is all about sourcing. So if I'm just going to use my own profile as an example if you look at your profile up at the top it's going to tell you how many contributions you've made your thank yous and then you have this number here your connections. Wow 700 congratulations. Yeah thank you I you know I did that um as a New Year's like that was my goal I wanted to I was so close at the end of the year that I thought I just have to push to start 24 with 700. So you did do it to push it up to 700. I did. Great job. So the connect-a-thon we have people who are organized on teams um and some of these are geographically based like for instance um Steve you you're going to be on the Germany genius right? Right even though I don't physically live in Germany I can sure be enough in German project that yeah I'm joining them. We have the french fries the Canadian yes there there's a new team name. Yes I love it. Canadian connectors um there's an Italian team um and then we and we have an Appalachia Roots team um and there are some um teams that are um you know you really can work on profiles from any area of the world um we have the toddling tortoises um you know if you feel like you you don't want to be real competitive about things that's a very good team to be on. I'm going to be on the Globetrotter team this this oh good yeah is that covering the other countries that are part of global project now? Yeah I mean it's just basically gives you license to be anywhere in the world it's it's all right global team so the the purpose the goal in Connect-a-thon is to go to any existing profile and let's let's see if I went to um let me go to my drink. That's my name. Well okay yes that's true you know big big mystery there no one knows why she was given greenwood as a middle name. Oh as a middle name. As a middle name yeah. Well then was her mother potentially a greenwood? No no no because it says rat nor mensy okay that's interesting. Yeah I know so I'll let you I you would have a vested interest in when I get the answer to that. Yeah I definitely would hit me up on your description. I want to look at um this is my great uncle and I happen to know that uh as you can see um well um we do have his marriage here but he has two children that I have yet to add and honestly I'm having a little bit of difficulty I'm surprised how much difficulty I am finding the sources I need to add these two sons. Are they deceased or are they still living? They're both deceased yeah okay um I'll just dig well I'll dig harder but um but if I were to add these during the Connect-a-thon I would get a point for each each uh connection that I make to an existing profile so um you can build up down sideways um but it has to be connecting to an existing profile um and if you do want to uh let me see connect-a-thon I'm just going to see if I can give everybody you need the dashes in it I think for the G2G yep have you registered yes um so this is going to run it starts a 72 hour event and it starts um Friday um at 8 a.m. January 19th and it goes until Monday 8 a.m. um and there are live casts every four hours um to just cheer people on and give some research uh hints and you know just hangouts um so I'm going to put what this in the chat and note that registration will close at midnight eastern on Wednesday the 17th so you have up until two days before the event starts to still be a part of the event and pick a team that you want to contribute with yeah and actually if you don't know what what uh what team you want to be on that's okay just in your in your answer just entered answer generally and say um you know I I tend to research in this area and and we'll make some suggestions so Germany genies can always use some extra help just saying yeah let me let me ask a question sure I mean just because he's signed up for German genies doesn't mean that your connections all have to be German no you don't have to contribute to predominantly German profiles we emphasize it because that's predominantly our ancestry and and our background a lot of people live in Germany so that's just you know where they are but you couldn't work on any profile on the the world tree if it interests you and you connect that you get a point for it doesn't matter if it's German or not it could be you know somebody from New Zealand um so that's not a restriction right it's just that you have you know several family members that have migrated to the United States right and they're you know adding them doesn't constitute German I get rabbit hole a lot yeah I might have an initial idea of what I want to work on and then I get down a rabbit hole and I just find oh I really want to do this and then I just like I'm stuck on it because I want to get it done you know I'm in a pattern on a nice little flow so sometimes it just happens like you you might prepare for something and then you end up somewhere completely different you know it could be the best thing ever because then you didn't know about this you know we're always learning as we're building out the tree um yeah you just never know uh what I actually do though is before these events I have a whole bunch of personal categories I've set up for people that need profiles added so like they don't have their parents attached but you can tell who their parents are in the biography so that's just something I have to confirm when I make those profiles you know children marriages and all those are separated by category so that's going to hopefully speed up the process for me when I get into connectathon because then I can just follow the leads that I've been working on all year so yeah yeah so some people um I honestly I rarely have time to prep but I know that some people you know take a good few weeks coming up to a thon and like get themselves ready with you know so that they can just punch out those profiles and um yeah that's because you'll see people who will make a thousand connections which always has to happen and there are some questions in the chat which probably answered so yeah and ask you know how many can you join and if we're asking about teams you know it's just one team is that what you're asking about okay yeah right yeah okay and then Julie had a question here saying that family documentation history for three or four branches go back to early America what should I have in wiki tree to show the information is valid should I hold off and creating profiles until I have the docs to back it up like census records marriage licenses etc so you could add profiles tentatively if you have personal information and if you want to go back later and fill in the gaps with your cited sort you know your citations you could still do that you know so we're not going to completely ban you from adding things but the preference is that you do have a valid source attached to the profile you know so it can exist and be worked on um Julie let me ask you a question are these individuals before 1700 that's not everything oops you're muted at the moment I I would have to get them all out and see I just didn't want to start putting in a bunch of information I'd like to to get it electronic I had a lot in ancestry.com and I just am moving away from that because I like the cleanliness of this where there's one profile for one person ever but I'm sure when I go through this process I'm going to be hit with a whole bunch of you got to merge you got to merge because I do have a couple that I've entered and I just had to merge and it is there an easier way to get started for somebody like me than what I'm thinking I need to do. Well first of all just to go back to your question about what do you need to create a profile um you definitely have to have a little legwork done in advance um I I try and go in with the birth date and place the death date. Yeah and does that control what's that that's going to control the search so if you don't give enough information for birth date and death date it won't find another profile out there that matches it if it does exist so if you're looking at people from the 1700s or 1800s there's a good chance that one of your cousins has already added that person so you don't have to necessarily recreate it but if you have another person that was a child you can connect them into that existing profile so that saves you the hassle of having to merge but that makes sense but I have to get I do I need to get their permission to add that profile or no it's just there if it's an open profile I think yeah yeah it's an open profile which has the the white open lock that means the person's been deceased for so long that anybody can make contribution so you don't have to ask permission for it if there's one that's highlighted in yellow that there's a profile manager looking over it it may have to approve those changes before it connects okay you know depending on the the privacy of the profile but yeah I just I can make quick work of it if I don't have to wait on a bunch of approvals so that's good to know right yeah um I was just going to say and and we you do need in addition to the births and death dates and places you need one source um and uh so you know I always make sure that I have that one source because they they ask you to enter it at profile location yeah and I have a ton of source docs in ancestry and that's a dilemma for me I'm going to have to sign back up so I can download them I I don't know no no sources so here's what we can show Sorcer Steve could you could you get the um the url for the whole help page for Sorcer uh yeah we're talking about the wiki tree Sorcer so what this is it's a it's an it's a browser extension and uh so it will let me go back to screen I gotta go search it this can be a little cumbersome to find the page you're looking for so oh I can't do it now because you went to the screen oh you got it I can find it okay I'll let you take over them okay all right hang on because I'd like I'd like to give everybody um oh I turned off my browser extension okay um let's go back to air get out of gg search and wait there was a button way down there and never even huh uh I learned new things every day okay okay so wiki tree Sorcer is okay here mm-hmm of course I knew what this title okay so you see how the icon has this little one in square brackets so um take note of that um and then I'm gonna show you why can I not get back to all of you to put that in the chat mm I'll do it this way okay but now that I know what it is mm-hmm okay so um now when you go to this help page it really walks you through from the very beginning like um where to find it you know if you're uncomfortable if you've never um added a browser extension before which I hadn't before really before um wiki tree but it's you know it's like I I guess maybe people have experience with adding on ad blockers or that sort of thing so this is similar um okay let me go back now to screen sharing and so if we go to um my browser you're going to see that I have up here that little one in brackets and so that tells me that my Sorcer app is is active um now let me go to Ancestry so Julie you would you would have to join Ancestry for maybe the maybe for a short period of time you're not going to have to download everything to your computer um let me go to my Ancestry oh good yeah it can get expensive I know okay um let's just go to a random profile Cecilia, Cecilia frolic okay and here I have um a bunch of censuses now I will say that with something like a census if you can find the same record on family search which does not have a paywall that's preferable and and family search also once you find the person in the record it has a nice little button where um it just says copy citation and then you just it's great yeah but assuming all right say you you cannot find this so you're going to go not to the action not here you're going to go to view and um then I'm going to click on one okay now are you seeing my pull down menu that I just got yeah good okay so Sorcer is is wonderful okay so you can do that's incredible that's really pretty much added everybody at this point oh wow so this is all the searching up here now below the line um you can build an inline citation uh you can build a narrative you know add to your bio with the citation um we're just going to build a source citation okay it works in under second and it's saved to the clipboard now let me go I I'm not going to do anything permanent here but um I'll pretend that this is a source for this person and then um no I'm in saying how does I do yeah I notice I'm in edit mode now and we have the uh the sources um by the way if you're new let me just a word to the wise don't visit don't remove that oh okay I know some people say well what's that for I don't need that but that's a little bit of wiki code that just helps the overall that's html we shouldn't mess with yeah oh then you'll see underneath that we have uh all the sources that have an asterix in front of the asterix creates a bullet point so since I have asked Sorcer to make me just a source citation now when I paste in there it is wow uh-huh complete with the asterix now the thing about the the thing about the references tag is that that would be used for inline citations so if something was being cited in the biography and it had a ref name so it actually identified what it was then you would see it pop up automatically in the sources section these will show up in the sources section regardless because they're just typed in so they have the asterix and they're going to follow a line they're going to go down the page like that but anything that was inline citation would go before it because it follows basically that references tag so if that makes any sense that that's also why that's there oh I love that so um and don't forget if if we were saving this um I would say I'm adding a source um and you know it's it's kind of it's nice for people who come after you if you say added census record or added marriage record or that can be helpful and you know only takes about 10 seconds okay but what I'm going to do is I'm going to delete the draft and return to the profile without saving um and here again you can see how what was asterix's in the edit mode are these nice little bullet points and rebecca walked away for a second so she would like you to review that first part again where you're on ancestry okay just go back and show her how to do that again so from the ancestry page um take any source and you're going to just go to the the index view and then click sourcer the the little icon and to actually build um you know I I myself I really I tend to just use it for sourcing but I maybe should I mean you can build a household table from a census yeah tables are hard to do by yourself so that for that to build a household table for you automatically that's pretty awesome um assuming that the page is okay with having a table on it some pages you know some some people are like oh don't put tables on profiles and some people are like yeah you know so it's just depends on who you talk to really so so if I were to do an inline citation you just click on it it gets saved to your court and now we can actually show that references tag okay all right we'll do that um I'll go back to so an inline citation is when you oh let's show let me show show off a um um Abraham Lincoln no I just did this for my orphan trail okay okay John Chetlin member of parliament um and so you can see in his bio here I state a fact and then I have a one oh that's what they are that's what an inline citation is yeah you'll see that that one source is covering multiple facts so the one repeats wherever it's being cited multiple times which in this case is being used six times right right and then here's a different one so and it's really nice the way wiki trees can figure that you can just hover instead of having to go down mode see yeah and they're all now they automatically fill in behind sources and can see the six that are citing uh the Longman Greening Company book and then after that the manuscripts and so forth now when I do an inline citation using source sir I get a double ref well let me show you so remember I uh I asked it to make me an inline sort of citation so let me go back to my my great uncle who were were using as an example tonight so I will I will save this and then unsave it okay so say I wanted to use that source to back up that he was born in 1895 there we go okay now the key the key parts of any inline citation are this at the beginning then you have all the other things you know the meat of it and then you have this at the end okay notice that they're identical except for the one at the end has a backward slash forward slash forward forward slash sorry thank you um that's a key to my question yeah is that I use the inline inline citation indicator on the menu oh you should you no you can you can absolutely that's when I get the double ref well you should be able to edit it out so if it does you can just remove one the question is why should I I know right well actually maybe maybe uh we could look at that Rolf um if you know let let me get out of this and then we can let me let me let me go back a minute what you did you didn't use the inline citation button I which would be this C no I didn't so you just pasted it in there I think that's the key I did I think if you use the C you get the double ref if you use saucer right good feedback sure someone would like to know about Joe let me let me just get rid of this and let's just pretend that okay so we're back to normal supposing I want to put a citation a source citation for his depth then I click the source button now here again you see I've got the ref at the beginning the ref with the forward slash at the end and then you just copy in that's the way it's supposed to look yeah now copy it in well copy it in then I will have a double well right if you're pasting from what you just copied on ancestry yeah because it automatically has those reps for you here it assumes that nobody else is using something that already has reps built into it right so so my answer is don't use the C if I'm using saucer yeah yeah they're two different instruments probably if you were going to type it in manually off of a piece of paper you would use that C so even if it wasn't like even it was like saying personal communication with you know X person right that's text that could be put into the ref so that text will float to the bottom as a source even though it's not like all sourcified like it looks like coming off of ancestor or family search right so like anything can be considered a source if it's helpful enough to define the information if that makes sense you know so by ask my dog if you just use the search at the bottom right hand part of the screen part of the profile yeah and go in and do research that way yeah and do it as an inline citation you won't get the double ref you have to use the C okay I I don't know that that that route I know what you're talking about with the root serve let me get out and let's look at that so in some background sound right thank you so you're talking about this right rock yes so if I do that okay now this is a nice feature because it automatically plugs in everything that you already plugged in so you don't have to retype you know dates and locations how do you get there okay great question uh let's go back to yeah okay so from the profile go all the way to the bottom and then under oh that's what that is yes yeah um so you can search all of these frankly I think um at one point this was fantastic but if now with Sorcerer that goes even calm starting to override these older features you may also have to be signed in the family search before you can do a search into it because it's been a key as to you know your cookies have to be established for that site to be able to search it um keep that in mind it might log you out like every you know hour or two so just in case people are maybe a little less comfortable with family search here I'm on family search now I I picked a random person from my tree um and so I'm I've gone to her sources and then if you click on that I'm going to get far more detail and where you want to go is to the webpage now this is this is assuming um you know that you're doing all the good genealogist things like like looking at the original and and you know but you've done all that and it looks good you're convinced that this is the right source and then look over here on the left copy citation then again it goes to my clipboard oh that won't have the refs built into it that's just the text that you see right so then if I want to go and use that go into edit then I can hit see and insert it and there we go yep and it would come up as a as an inline reference because I use the C button is there any preferred way of entering references that you found is less cumbersome or do they all pretty much end up here um well um I think um having them in a big list at the bottom is certainly easiest when you're when you're a new to wikitree okay but at some point your problem as you say develop a nice bio and you want to link the sources to things you're saying in the bio that's when you're probably going to want to do inline citations um and it's actually not that hard to convert if you just have a bunch of citations at the bottom and then you decide okay today today I'm going to do a bio it's easy to just move them up into inline citation okay um what other what other um roff did that help you with yeah that that was key for me I I keep going in and having to edit out the second ref yeah yeah so it sounds like you already have sourcer yes yeah love it yep it's and again these are all this is a learning experience I mean we all goof we all make mistakes from time to time the great thing is the wiki is completely changeable if you save something wrong you go back in and you can edit it again it is nothing is set in stone so although that last name of grace is really starting to bug me now we can change it now melissa has a great question let's look at that okay melissa that's more important well no believe me I want to know about where that name came from but I don't think we're going to crack that one no no it's talking about smetain it's under it's undercased oh oh yeah what about speaking what I don't know are you for a fall manager that for a fall um I think I'm yeah I am are you yeah just hovered over it said it was bob somebody else well no not norman no grace oh of grace yeah grace is um uh yeah bob whittaker is a fourth cousin of mine so okay um friendly message the bob may be anyway but uh going back to the questions here uh rebecca right or no melissa um was wondering if it's possible to check connections between two people that aren't yourself oh yeah my name yes okay we can display that too we can go to that absolutely so um who well let's stay with uncle morning okay so you do so when you're on a profile you are going to get a heading up here that is for the profile you're looking at now you do first have to do the connection to yourself but then you can come down here and uh steve what's your what's your idea I figured you're gonna ask uh my number is 3667 okay I'm curious now between my uncle norman and steve 24 but so you have to have you have to have an id is that right yes like what if I don't have an id you didn't know you can't do it without the id are you signed up the wiki tree yeah okay you have an id I have an id but that maybe the other person I don't have an id for uh if they exist as a profile they should have an id so there's always a name and a number associated with the number it was uploaded in mm-hmm does everybody do you want us to do a search just do with it help to go over how to search for a person you sure yeah yeah um well so I mean they have a profile again yeah well last night let's see if I can recreate my my steps here um I was looking for an American composer um Florence maiden name smith price and no what smith no yes I know I know oh no I'm good I don't know my memory give me five seconds to get the paper with the dates I believe we have 250 000 smiths on wiki tree something to that how about jonah and I married a miller and he was born in a village country so yeah most common in Germany is miller or miller all right all right oh this brings up a question can I ask this question while it's still on the screen sure yeah the difference between the green ones versus the yellow ones okay so that means like here's where the color changes and that said there was a marriage wait a minute that means that he could be my cousin because there's only one change in color because most of all the green would be directed lineage and then all well when it changes is the wife right so then the wife is where the changes to yellow and then it's following brother son son son daughter daughter son daughter so it's a straight line like I know that marav and um actually abraham are direct ancestors of mine so like they're sixth great grandparents fifth great grandparents etc um so at some point in the past I think there's a common ancestor that's splitting off here well I mean the other thing we could do that jonah rose let's go back to uncle norman and now you can also look at relationship to me and now um wait a minute how can I do with you now you can get to it from the connection uh keep going to the bottom oh there okay yeah so then my name all relationships no oh but it's not a blood relationship so there must be the marriage that's making the connection but there are a couple of common ancestors that are getting pretty close to one another mostly through the ives which i'm also connected to burlives i'm actually a cousin burlives that's cool so the green ones are the direct i'm still a little confused no just just consider it the change in color means that there's a marriage a marriage okay uh go to alternative view generational path maybe this will display better uh so when it loads this might pop up on a new screen but it can show the relationship through time did you click on it I did why is it not working I don't know uh did it open up because there's a private person there that's why that doesn't work oh I know that's a few times too and why doesn't it work in it always is because there's sorry my pop are real and so you can't look at it okay but you could try it with somebody else that's not gonna have a private yeah you could go to leo who is my second great grandfather and if it worked there uh change it to three oh actually no he's not even greenwood because his birth name was lane wait what's uh three six six nine yeah you can go to my grandpa and then maybe that'll work so 22 degrees away there is yeah okay so there are two jumps at least two jumps that are happening here between the eyes and the roses trying to make it visible all on one but yeah now you can see a visual representation of what that chain is doing so my path is going back to the past of the 1600s there's a couple of jumps over and then it jumps forward in time again to reach uh the mcmaris and you're going through the menzies and the perkins and the pieces yep oh yeah interesting so how far back has wiki tree made it uh zero oh yeah really oh we have a policy that there we don't do anything earlier than that but yeah there are profiles and it's strict medieval genealogy and that's there's a lot of things that most people don't interact with they're specialized profiles before 1500 are mostly worked on by like experts who have focused their research in those areas but a lot of people are related to charlemagne because he's the father of europe so you'll see him show up as a 24th great grandfather well and speaking of connectathon team um one of my favorite team names are the yeah somebody to mute uh thank you thank you we have a team uh a team called the musty dusties they they they get through quite a few profiles but certainly not as many as the rest of us who are closer to the present um because they're they're working on these really really centuries old profiles admirable to do the connections so all right so there you go there's the connection feature i also like the uh i did want to add to connections are great when you're dealing with categories because then you can go into a category of a whole bunch of people like a cemetery and then one click you can see who your cousins and ancestors are or how many degrees you're away from them you know that's a cool thing we should show that um yeah if i go back to uh to john chet wind um you will notice that um i put him in a number of categories which are at the bottom um to the bottom there we go there are his categories so um mostly um linked to his service in parliament and there are very specific categories for for different uh regions and um and years uh let's and these are existing categories or you made the categories no existing categories and we could we can show how to uh to do to do that um so well let's just pick this one okay so this gives me a list of all the people in this category including my god but what is fun is that if i go to the upper right hand corner to my connections in any category it will tell me who i'm connected to in that category one is an ancestor oh no maybe not really so useful for a category like members of parliament representing staffer chair but if it's the category is a cemetery it could be very interesting to see your connection to people in that cemetery yeah classy especially in small communities when a lot of people are related to one another they'll all pop up or oh look at this these these are fun oh yeah presidents charity barons mayflower passengers yeah so here um what is the president's yeah so well what was what was her other question my decades question um well i was going to show how to do a search for somebody oh sara left i didn't even see it sorry sara sends her regards she had to leave early oh okay that's too bad um okay living family demanding my attention i understand okay um okay um so let's look at how to do a search so if i now to do that you want to just go to the general home page and we're going to use my american composer florins smith price now remember for women um she her id is going to be under her maiden name but um let's go ahead and go so was it smith or was it price price was her married name price was her married name okay um so but we could well let's see what happens if we do sorry no matches okay this is not seeing it as a single name yeah yeah let's go um i would say try pri okay we'll try because that's what's okay and we have a rather horrifying two thousand nine hundred and sixty you wanted to do it yeah now there's a cute little trick um that that you can do if you know the person's middle name um and i do her middle name is betris so what i'm gonna do now is i'm going to put in um betris betris smith it would be going to the first name field in addition to the first name yeah you can see oh you're searching just betris yeah and then i'm gonna show this is cool this is a cool trick i learned from david randal okay okay slightly better now what you can do is now i'm going to search by first name i'm gonna alphabetize by first name and so it's gonna like for instance here's a person where betris is the middle name first name aida they're all in alphabetical order for me so if i go down to now there are pages and pages uh i think let's try page seven okay um i'm still in the ease oh laurence laurence okay so it uh and i know her dates are 18 she was born in 1887 oh sure yeah i think i see the right one yep okay up yep there she is yeah okay and um so as you could see it narrowed it down for me i was wrong 200 000 smiths are on a wiki tree for this yeah number if that little trick um it was is really very helpful um in controlling your numbers yeah very okay excellent and also she's a part of a black heritage project as well because you know she's a notable in black history so that that is another group of people who focus on profiles predominantly you know more notables but profiles of people of black heritage african-american heritage right and let's let's look at her categories um because i remember when she had some she wasn't a member of parliament so she had some more more uh interesting things organists uh her cemetery where she's buried very on blue island chicago yep um needs more sources us usbh notables needs more sources oh pianist yeah pianist music let's click on pianist classical composure oh what you're looking at so there's many options and you can go through as many as you like you know make your place is there a place where you can find all these categories you just showed here is there one place where you can find like classical composers and uh you mean to find the different all those all those categories you had on the bottom is there a listed source of all the available listed categories so well category categories is the master category which everything launches from yes all right how do you find that uh we type it away we wanted to look at music i like i got many different categories categories categories so um these are these are the broadest levels like there's no music in there or sorry what are we well that would be occupation yeah um okay art or it might be under society or art yeah sometimes tricky to figure out where it starts at but you can see that it says the art subcategory includes seven subcategories of its own oh okay one person cemetery cemetery is this huge and now maintenance categories those are things like um needs more needs merging needs a bio needs sources so and those issues once they're addressed then the profile would be taken out of that category and like i mentioned earlier you can have personal categories which you can track yourself and then when they're when you're done with those then they can exit your personal category like see if i've had a situation where i'd like to find different people for notable no what do you call it here sorry i love the terminology not notable people anyhow um and i couldn't find it on there for instance like uh you talk about composers puccini and the baldy i couldn't find a pavarotti you'd think pavarotti would be in there but and paul harvey and robert bateman uh how do you how do you make suggestions for notable notable connections is that what you call it well okay so first of all i i went under i went under art and so here i think performing arts be what you want and then music right and then um give me and it's one of your people that you're looking for puccini or pavarotti pavarotti or puccini baldy musicians i'd say it's just under musicians yeah i thought there was a classical composer yeah he was it may be subcategorized under musicians yeah and this probably needs some work to like like this could probably get clean yeah and a it said american composers all right there's composers in there and classical musicians interesting classical composers yeah okay so you have to go down okay i understand that i'll look a little further but if they're not in there if they're not in wiki tree like i searched and i didn't see some of these what i consider famous people like i had a grand most people are in there i can't believe how many are actually in there but by grandson he's getting into uh marshal arts and he asks i ask him what three people would you like to meet a search for any he mentioned one that was really well known in the marshal arts and i couldn't find it the other two well you got to add them in how do you how do you go about that okay that's a great question by the way there's fabaldi um he is okay i can find out what uh tag name fabaldi three unbelievable okay thank you yeah you're welcome so he was added back in 2014 so he's been around for a while okay i just wasn't knowing the right tools to get in to find it okay okay he is not connected oh project hey maybe connected son can change that that might be why it didn't show up yes that's right yeah yeah i got a person i'm gonna admit you see the reason is because what i do is i use a notable connections between two id's my problem is i come from an ancestry dot com background i got 41 000 entries in my in my ancestry dot com today i tried to uh i downloaded the jet comfort and then i tried to upload it to wiki tree and it said your image is too large so um i think it's capped at 5000 people so they had to get broken up uh usually in those cases i always recommend adding the profiles directly but i know with as many that you mentioned that's that's a very arduous task uh possible maybe someone maybe someone can help you with the jet com aspect of it yeah okay but fair enough you've answered my question i'll just have to dig a little fruit but that unconnected notable maybe that's what i hadn't seen before i hadn't looked at that unconnected notable up there okay oh right so in this case he's still searchable he just isn't connected to the world tree yet right right now if you go to the very bottom of that page uh what what i also had a question about was no you don't have it there you see don't have it um i have another another question can you go say like robert edward lee and he is uh lee dash three id oh lee three ooh three wow didn't even have to delete the three but he did yeah if you go to the very bottom of that page uh my question would be um you see where we're in each wikipedia wiki tree very long uh can actually yeah this is about 17 pages i think it's quite a ways down there i've taken all of my 40 000 or most of them i've taken them from lee i've always branched up from lee to everyone that i've had to so the very bottom of it there yeah even go for right to the very bottom trying not to make everyone see sec yes uh probably everyone is by now oh there we are okay now above categories there above that group called categories above it no there you see how it actually is 11 degrees from round above above etc i've got a way right now that in a spreadsheet it's kind of a kind of an odd situation i take it from an ancestry to wiki tree buddy is there a way of getting the lowest degree of money people like i've seen contests saying how can you find the quickest degree because to me when i add people in ancestry i want to take the smallest uh degree level so i i do it on a spreadsheet and i can find it and i compare it to everyone else i got cannot this be automated the point where all those when they say 11 degrees from 12 degrees from i've got many that show up a lot less than that that people would be more interested in is there a way they can automate that to make it a tighter fit rather than those ones they show well these ones i mean i'm just gonna click on the first one um i mean this is all calculated by an algorithm on on the wiki tree server yeah based on what is on the tree um so you know in you you're saying that you're coming up with calculations that are based on your ancestry tree in my eyes i it's very complicated the way i do it i have to explain it offline but basically i i use a wiki tree in my spreadsheet i use a wiki tree formula that takes two different ids and gives me the degree and i write that template and do it etc so i go through all of my lists that i got about 400 in this excel list and then i look at i automatically can find the the quickest relationship which we were referring to down there yeah and my point would be a lot of people want to know the quickest i just shouldn't say quickest the shortest relationship and to me that would be more it's because i found many like even even this blee i found many that are much closer than than you know what's listed down there so it's actually at the top i think it's what you're after um right under his name i it'll say like 27 000 connections uh yes i think so i i think i i think i understand this is denise jared and i i think i understand the question joe is asking for the the list of featured connections down below the very bottom yeah that that's just listing those that have been featured in this current week they are not organized in order of lois tahias okay thank you for answering that but to me it would be also a really cool thing for them to add a closest connections to well we have a thing with the cc7 you should be able to find the degrees away from robert lee out seven degrees and who he's connected to yeah i seen that that's quite a that's a table that's pretty monstrous as you look well right yes 25 000 plus connections so yeah that's all and seven degrees maybe if you look at how what those people will show up on you to end up with so many that are totally irrelevant i'm talking about major players major key name players like we just mentioned rubby d lee you know not not celebrities but yeah chosen i mean wiki tree is not all inclusive you may have to do your own research like like i've gone on in my weight identify my notable cousins it doesn't necessarily tell me instantaneously who all my noble cousins are but i've gone through like those various categories to figure that out and then i've sort of documented them in an order of like you know closest to farthest away uh so i don't think wiki tree will be able to do that because of how many people are involved i mean there's a million profiles of people who are contributing to the project right so it's going to calculate all of those in addition to like the 35 million you know profiles all together it probably would you know bog things down i think it was doing that calculation but you know it does enough to give us the seven i think the cc7 is still incredibly helpful if you want to see those relationships within the seven degrees i don't know they answer your question not but yeah no that's good okay and denise thanks for for hopping in yeah thank you but there is also a way to control that connection finder feature you can hit the x on a certain person to prevent it from going through them so if you want to see the pathway through a different way it will recalculate and show you that path so there are there are ways to modify that a little bit but they're generally going to be longer connections though rather than shorter ones so it's doing its best to find the shortest well um let's see what uh any final questions oh is it time yeah yeah i feel like i feel like there was something we were going to do we did a search we did a search yeah we went for the categories and we went through connections someone was asking um how how was it was it you joe who said your grandson uh wanted you to look for a martial artist are we yes yes okay so if you want to add a person was it bruce lee you would just go in bruce lee's probably already there add i think he is actually yeah i wish i could get to my screen with the excel oh hold on i might be able to read here yeah there uh hold on uh whether i wrote no i don't have it handy right now but it was it was quite a famous person he was number one in martial arts for two or three years and uh thought he should be in there and i did a search and i couldn't find him there but fair enough so this is okay go ahead explain what you're talking about oh you would you would add an unrelated person so this is going to be and of course if you add in um information and the system finds him then then there's no need to to carry through with this whole first process but um you know supposing this person doesn't exist at all on wiki tree you would continue and then the way i think of it is it's just a leaf that's just floating next to the tree and work needs to be done to connect them hopefully sooner rather than later but for the moment they and maybe parents or a brother they they're just this little hanging floating twig yeah like the vaulty is a hanging leaf right now just like harvey can you can you see paul harvey he was at and now you know the rest of story guy way back it's like i thought it's very well i don't know how many paul harvey's there are true i'd i'd be able to look up a wikipedia and find out his exact birth and well let's do that right now this is yeah just give me a birthday so the other thing with searches that i do all the time is to just order them by year uh birth year and see if there's a notables project attached to it because that's usually a dead giveaway there it is uh paul harvey odd rand harvey tulsa that's him yeah yeah that's his picture yeah that's it no there it is he's unconnected that's the same kind of thing i mean sir that's he's a floater yeah wow another one but yes i he has 10 connections so any one of those 10 people could connect into the tree and more connections are made so there's a chance like during connected on he could get connected say that again how would i go a little further you say 10 connect look so go to click on the 10 connections okay yeah so this is cc7 but he doesn't really go out that far because all of them are within three degrees right uh any one of these people could connect to somebody else on the wikis that this is where the connection would be made to bring him into the world perfect perfect yeah that's kind of you want to ask a grave or the grave questions to to dig out who the real family was yeah so whether it be that sam eisenberg or hannah gessinger you know there's some nice german names i'd be interested in those actually um and yeah you can see that there's nothing connected within seven it stops at the three degree mark yeah that's something to consider for wiki uh connect if you just leave it at the top i want to find that handle for the okay paul paul it's rant for rant for you are a and and that's another thing too his birth name is different than his stage name yes yeah so a lot of a lot of entertainers don't use their real names that's why they're harder to find like houdini and uh libero yeah eric wise he wasn't here it wasn't born harry houdini yep right but if i put if i put in an unrelated person to me like that um but i know who their relatives are can i then invite them basically to join wiki tree to connect to it sure yes yeah so there's um a field when you're creating a profile um underneath you know all the biographical things there's if you say they're living and then it will ask you for an email address and then they would be invited to join wiki tree now that process might change we're doing that redo here in 20 24 so wait for more information if that changes on how to invite family members because i wrote the biography for this guy and but his family is not on wiki tree so and he's passed away since then so i see i see yeah um yeah you can um let's see permission's always helpful for people who have passed away recently people have been deceased for a long time it's not as much of an issue of adding them always ask permission but yeah look we found a guy uh he wasn't even using harvey as his last name and we found a couple we found the ball thing too we found we did well yeah and if it doesn't exist it can vary shortly if you go ahead and be bold and create the profile for it you're right because all you need to do is take some of those unconnected like the degrees and you're right maybe two or three or overlap and bingo there's a yeah it could be that that there's only one connection away from somebody else on a tree and it just hasn't been made yet you know you might have to connect four people out who knows you may have to go forward in time to find that connection but yeah the important thing is that you do the searches as accurately as possible to try to pull up those matches so that you're not creating duplicate profiles to have to get merged later i mean it happens but you know what do we try our best yeah exactly uh melissa andrea is not on a wiki tree but you certainly can talk to her if you want for a different person i found her website yeah and it's cool isn't it yeah yeah and they could be like hey i'm your long lost cousin Steve i'm gonna add brutal lives to my list now what's your your id steve uh mine again is greenwood 3667 3667 excellent thank you and had her hand up too no no that's just okay and uh betsey yours is ko 31 that's the ko dash 31 awesome and she's also put them in the chat too yep so i was there a way that you can get in touch with people like like you steven through your id number or you betsey through your id number is there a way you can send a personal email that's not a broadcast to everybody yeah no uh let me show um okay so if i go back to my profile um let's say i was doing it i'm not i know your yeah and i want to so go to my profile yeah and then under in in this box here right next to my name send private message oh perfect that will come to me as an email perfect awesome yeah thank you so much i've got to go right now thank you so much i've learned so much i'm going to keep uh keep coming into these sessions thank you thank you for attending today thank you well our next um session is sunday uh january 28th at 11 no yes 11 and the morning eastern standard time which would be four in the afternoon utc time so um please come back you you don't have to be strictly we use the definition of new very very loosely and uh we do we just love hanging out and uh chatting about how to how to figure things out on lakitri we're all learning and thanks again for everyone for attending tonight good night everyone and thank you to those who are watching the recording