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friends tell your family tell your mom we appreciate you and that ass if you want to pump your body and expand your mind there's only one place to go mind pump mind pump with your hosts salda stephano adam schaefer and justin andrew's i'm going to push some limits today just so you guys know just a little just a little heads up i'm gonna you know i'm gonna make i'm gonna make justin do this face a couple times you guys this one oh you guys like he's taking a shit justin gets up and justins when i say should it make some nervous it looks like he's gonna take a shit oh you've noticed that yeah and sal and sal does this like do you know why i see thinking he's going like we're gonna have to delete that do you know why you know why justin looks like he's gonna take a shit when that happens because he is yeah it does make him need to start processing like immediately no i'm i don't look face do i make i'm kind of like you you do this like here we go yeah exactly it's like this fucking out no you get like a smile and then your eyes kind of go up like yeah it's because it's you know what it is you get excited kind of sounds like conflicted about it when i say sif that's over like there's a place like i agree with this motherfucker and he's like i don't know if we should say in it but well we're both let it fly we're both controversial but in different ways you know i'm saying like i'll be controversial with like so you really think that your diet recommendations are healthy like that kind of controversy adams controversy is like you're an idiot do you have rape fantasies yeah like shit like that i'm not pulling one out of my ass by the way that's a real that's a real thing there's like so many records that skip in my brain doctor so-and-so do you um who are you dating speaking of doctors you're like anal sex speaking of doctors you're out there picking fights with doctors again i see you i see you this morning dude i love his response you're dumb how about the like that's his comeback the irony the irony of uh it's so great right and i knew it and i saw his sal responding him go back and forth and i see him firing back and he's like who the fuck is this guy right and i know who it is and i don't want to i don't want to tell him i want to keep going oh you don't know who it is yet i i told the one he got here yeah i told the one he got here i said oh by the way that's the that's the doctor that reached out to us that wanted to become our virtual doctor and we were like no that's okay that's cool well it's such an it's such an irresponsible fucking post and the only reason why i even commented on it was because he had doctor in his title and yeah look i'll tell you what if you're a fitness idiot uh you know like your typical instagram fitness idiot and you make and you make stupid memes and you post stupid stuff we expect that whatever i'm not gonna say anything unless you have a massive following because then i feel like it's my responsibility when you use your phd but it says you know try and fucking sound smart about shit you don't know about it says doctor in the title and the meme is how protein shakes help with weight loss and it's got these two comparative like potential diets okay so this just let me just read this to you or just i feel like i saw that in the 90s it's so it's like two comparable diets right the first one has sensible breakfast and then a burger fries and soda for lunch and then sensible dinner the second one says sensible breakfast protein shake sensible dinner oh wow you'll lose weight with the with the second option it's like okay that's like me making a meme like here's fire put your hand in fire it burns like no shit this is this this is the slim fast model remember slim fast yeah back in the 80s and 90s and then it became shake ology and then you know just gets repackaged and repurposed so i'm just like listen dude i told him like are you really trying to say like protein shakes are great meal replacement like that's what people should do it's slightly better than eating shitty food but is it really and is it long term and he's i guess he's an obesity specialist and i and he's like you you should come see the data i'm like yeah people people gonna fucking lose weight when you cut their calories nobody nobody's debating that you moron but let's look at the long term success of this like all of your super obese patients that you put on there's these fucking shakes well let's see them five years from now this is what's wrong i was just having this conversation with uh taylor i was kind of giving he was asking me like hey you know just the more he's learning about paul check he's just like man this guy's so awesome he's so smart you know what is it and i'm like well here's the irony right i don't even know if the guy finished high school i said he's completely self-taught but what he did different than what most people do here in america is he's not specialized in just one part of the body like that's what happens here like you become this specialist in an area and that's all your high now there's pluses to that right because you spent eight years of schooling and all your studying and all your research in this area or part of a body or a stain your lane yeah well it's single topic right well even that here's the problem with that like you get someone like this who's an obesity specialist like what the fuck does that mean like that means that all you study is people that are overweight right that have these eating problems and then you put a study together like what sal's talking about where you replace a meal with a protein shake like no fucking shit they're gonna lose you're not addressing the psychological issues at these people at all no not at all they're not addressing and let's be honest that's where the real root cause is there it's not in their calories their calories is just a part of the problem the real problem starts with them inside and what's going on in their fucking head you know how many people i've worked with how many times i've had clients come to me who have gone to doctors like this and lost you know oh i lost 80 pounds i lost you know 90 pounds and the way they lost the weight was almost every single time the doctor took food away and replaced it with shakes and with shakes and bars this by the this is the protocol that that that western medicine has had now for awful for decade single obesity clinic every single one and are you going to get short-term weight loss of course that's so stupid nobody's going to debate that but is it working well no we've had convenient low calorie meals available to us frozen meals forever jenny craig has done this forever right we've had these forever and people are still getting sicker and fatter and let's let's also look at these protein shakes for a second i you know i i hate constantly hammering on supplements but i have to do it right yeah it doesn't get more processed than a protein powder it does even the most processed microwave dinner that you buy at the grocery store that you pull out of the freezer is less and you pop in the microwave and it heats it up and now you've got salisbury steak you know broccoli and there's gravy or whatever oh my god salisbury steak remember that it's a real tv dinner right that's a real tv yeah hungry man what is a salisbury steak remember hungry man what is a salisbury steak i've never had it i've never had it in a restaurant it's cut on the next time i like a really nice steak house i think it's a step like above spam but anyway that is less processed than a powder that has a credit incredibly long shelf life that tastes like cookies and cream that you stir in water and you have you know protein and calories or whatever in there it doesn't get more processed that you've literally taken food yeah and turned it into a a powder how to how can you get anything more processed than these people are using that as a replacement for food and telling people this is a great way to lose weight it's not dude i'm sorry and the fact that you're a doctor and you're promoting this makes me angry well and here's the thing and i know he's younger i know he's younger than we are so old-ass i was reading that him going back and forth and what really irritates me is for him to be so naive to say some shit that he's got more experience with obese people because you because you went through school for this and then now you have your clinic like you're talking you're arguing with somebody who's 38 years old who's got 20 years of training people and it'll be how many obese people do you think you've had sit in front of you over the last 20 fucking years like get the fuck out of here bro i don't care if you've been holding classrooms full of fat people for the last bro for the last four years you're not gonna you're not gonna have put the time into what it and see how many of those people you help and let's be honest right how many of these people did we help that way originally i'll be all that's what i that's why i'm so angry about it yeah that's what we were taught it's a yeah i did the same thing i put somebody on some low calorie diet ran the fuck out of them for six months they lost 60 pounds we high-fived each other they went along their way they came back i saw him two years later and they were fatter than what they were when i got him you know i'm saying like and that was the well that was a common theme with these obese people because i wasn't really helping this not real life you're not you're not addressing the root cause right that's everything we've been talking about is the root cause root cause of stuff it starts in their head you're not teaching them anything no you know they're not learning anything all they're all they're doing is is they're following this protocol and then once it ends how do you transition from there to real life situations where you're at somebody's house you have to make decisions like they just don't address any of that here's where shakes like that come can can come into play when there's when you require emergency intervention okay so and this is what he this is what he's dealing with or this is what he's trained to deal with if i'm an obesity specialist right i'm a doctor that deals with obesity i'm trained to deal with people who come to me who are at risk of dying like this this is here's you know 450 pound mrs johnson or mr johnson and we need emergency intervention because their diabetes is out of control they can't breathe they can barely move like their quality of life is horrible and if we don't do something now the person's risk of dying is quite high over the next five years so here i tell you what we're going to do let's do this emergency intervention because we need to do this right now but at the same time let's deal with the root cause but see they don't do that it's about emergency intervention you lost the weight awesome job everything you're healed you know you can leave my office now now let's go with the next one because he keeps telling me like you got to look at the data come look at my data no shit dude like that's so stupid yeah it's obvious i could take a room full of obese people and have them replace two of their three meals with shakes and if they if they comply they're all going to lose weight we're going to see improvements in blood lipid levels we're going to see improvements in lots of different things but does anybody really believe that that's solving the problem at all and and let's look at the long-term data it just doesn't fucking work if it did that would be the cure it would it would have worked by now right we've got the science right we've got the process this has been a thing since the 80s for sure it's the biggest loser mentality that's what it is it's the biggest loser mentality starve them over work comes to lose to 60 to 100 something pounds high five see you later like sorry we'll bring him down to like 800 900 calories you know but it's managed by a physician yeah cool and i'll tell you what here's 100 that you'll find uh accurate almost every single time and i asked him this question he has yet to answer but we'll see what is i'll be shocked if if he's not affiliated with some protein powder or meal replacement company i'll be shocked now it could be possible he could be like oh no i have no affiliation but i doubt it i'm pretty sure there's a company he's affiliated with that he promote that he he profits off of promoting the irony the company that he works for reached out to us to work with us and that's why i thought it was really comical that's the only reason why he was like he was attached to you and why you were following him was because i was wondering why he popped up in your feed you got to be careful like i've learned that now right like i've learned not to like fire at someone if they pop in my feet because i'm following them for a reason means they're connected to me somehow or some way no it's just so the reason why you have them in your feet is because when they first approached us and they wanted to become our official medical doctor on uh virtual a virtual doctor we know that now right yeah well i remember we weren't impressed in the first place i remember going through his stuff and i was just like no i'm cool it was gonna be like just one guy to handle like all of our you know influx of people yeah that wasn't gonna well and here's the thing to stay in your lane dude man i just i think you're giving if you're an obesity specialist and speak to just the obese people not the masses that are that are tuning into your page because and like sal said if it's an emergency like somebody is 400 something pounds doctor says hey you could die in six months if you don't start losing this way totally get it that's why i get the gastric bypass for that reason sure i understand i mean if it's life or death like hey you're gonna die because you're so overweight then yeah that makes a lot of sense and then then we'll address the psychological stuff afterwards because we have an emergency right now we're you're literally gonna kill yourself the way you're eating and let's fix that but you're just right now by teaching someone to put it have a shake instead of a meal and and that's how you're presenting it is with on a picture with fucking french fries and a burger and you know skip your second meal of french fries and a burger and have a shake instead is awful it is it's just like slim fast type of mentality and you're not helping you're you're not helping the real problem i remember i had a we had a client once that came to our gym years ago this lady who she needed an emergency intervention gastric bypass and so she got it and she ended up losing about 120 pounds which is a tremendous tremendous amount of weight she you know she had to get surgery afterwards to remove all the excess skin and all that stuff she lost it all fast on uh she of course right you you remove the person's stomach yeah um and by the way i mean it's not an easy answer and i i want to be clear here i think a lot of times people especially in fitness think oh that's the easy way out like it's kind of not it's a difficult process the person has all kinds of issues afterwards i have to take special nutrients and supplements because they've dramatically reduced their ability to absorb nutrients so i feel for people in this situation but i've seen this particular cycle happen uh time and time again and this this woman uh illustrated i mean she she lost the weight 120 pounds she got the skin surgery removed all the skin and over the course of the following eight years she gained slowly started gaining it back i mean she would come into work out in the morning and she'd show up about 20 minutes early before her session she'd sit in her car and she would eat uh jack in the box every single morning she would eat jack in the box then when she would use the restroom she would destroy the restroom i mean destroy it to the point where you'd have to open the front door to get air circulating now her gut issues were 100 connected to her gastric bypass and the fact that she never fixed any of her nutrition she just continued to eat incredibly horrible now she was severely limited in terms of how much she could eat it when sitting so the way she dealt with it is she ate shitty food all the time a little bit at a time and over the course of the years she stretched that small pouch of a stomach that was left out considerably to the point where of the 120 pounds that she lost she had the last i saw her she had gained probably half of it back and was on her way to gaining it all back and you know i mean i get it it's a i mean obviously there's incredible challenge that that person is having i completely understand that but uh i think uh we're not giving these people the right tools and the right answers and we're not being honest with them and helping them in the right way because uh it's just not we're not dealing with it in fact i believe she became started having problems with alcohol afterwards as a result because she she had lost her her drug which was food and that's an extreme case of course but uh you know when i like i said this morning was a perfect storm i was a little bit of i was in a bad mood already i'm going through instagram i see this fucking stupid post about you know here's how a protein shake can replace a meal and make you lose weight and then i look at the guy's name i'm like doctor so-and-so and i'm like oh man today's not your today's not your day buddy well i'm gonna come out of the buzz saw well and i think that's and i used you didn't just totally come right after him i think you i don't remember how you started the conversation but maybe you did not i don't know if you if you jabbed him right out the gates or you just asked a question to see how because typically you do it normally when you when you're trying to uh get after someone like that you still don't attack you normally just ask a question that's thought that's thought provoking to see how he responds let's see oh okay so here's my first idea kind of jeff here's my very first comment this is stupid you weren't a bad mood bro just trying to get your bag right there you're obviously in a bad mood i said this is stupid just eat real food protein shakes are about his process this food can get horrible advice his response you're dumb and then i went off then i went off hey man sorry sorry not well yeah i was gonna say we we tend to have a shorter fuse for people that put doctor in front of their title you know if you're gonna put that doctor in front of your title then you start advising people well his advice is no different than the than the you know the fitness you know guys and girls who are selling supplements there's just no different no no it's exactly so i have more patience for them though i have more patience for them because i feel like they just don't know you know i don't i don't i think that you know someone like him who's been through all the schooling reps himself like that talks like that like and it and you got to know when you're in that position it's the same thing like us okay like for example we now know that we are in this position we've now have a ton of people that are connected to us that look to us for advice so i'm very careful and i think we all are very careful to check each other on how we advise and we talk about things an example that was when we went through the whole ketogenic process and we're raving about all the things that we enjoyed about it but then also we're very careful to say hey listen when you're not saying this is the diet for everybody we're just sharing with you some of the experience and so there's a responsibility that comes with this power so when you get to the point where you've got that you you've got this doctor in front of your name or you've got a ton of people that are listening to you and looking to you for advice i feel that you have some responsibility to to have some checks and balances well i think people should you need to understand that it's integrity yes education and experience do not mean you have integrity they don't in fact some of the worst integrity you will find in the world are come from the most educated most powerful people in the world like politicians are typically very very educated horrible integrity lawyers there's a lot of doctors researchers you know how many scientific studies are just you can't replicate them you you copy their their everything they do and it doesn't replicate and it's obviously because there was an incredible bias or lack of integrity on the part of the researchers who are trying to you know squeeze out some kind of result or tweak the you know the numbers to look a particular way so that they could satisfy their sponsors or whatever you know whatever companies or whatever sponsoring the study it's shitty it sucks but that's the world we live in well i feel i feel it's lazy i feel that he what he's promoting is one of the laziest ideas to lose weight it's the equivalent to me of like somebody coming in and me just hammering them so they get like a crazy sweat out of it and they get super sore and then they come back and then i just keep doing the same thing over and over and over again because like by math you know we're burning x amount of calories and that's all we're concerned about so they're not learning anything oh it'd be awesome if the the obesity epidemic was simply a math equation that we just need to figure out i mean that'd be awesome it'd be so great if it was just fixed by now yeah if it was just an algebra equation that we had to put together and you had the answer and this is it was you know subtracting the calories like oh my god are you serious that's all we had to do like why isn't everybody fixing it's not that simple you know so not at all bring on the fucking bird step right up all you bearded man and all you bearded ladies this quad is brought to you by big top beard company whose all natural beard oil products not only make your beard smell amazing but feel amazing too they're organic essential oil blends transport you to manly places like the mountains the desert the sea and beyond all while encouraging a lot of beard nuzzling to buy it for yourself or as a gift for that special bearded someone at big top beard company dot com enter the discount code mine pump for a 33 off at check out first question is from one a1v how relevant do you believe steroids really are in major professional sports steroids are extremely i think they're extremely relevant prevalent yeah for sure prevalent or relevant or two different things well i think it's part of the protocol for most depending on the sport but most major sports it's just part of the it's as relevant as it's not as relevant but it's in the similar category of proper training and proper nutrition they look at it the same way so if you're a top athlete especially if you want to compete at a very high level and you get to that level and now you're competing with a bunch of genetically you know gifted individuals who all also have a high work out because when you get to the pro level you have genetic anomalies who all have a high work ethic a high level of work ethic and all have good training and good nutrition so when you have all those pieces you add steroids into the mix and it's just part of the formula for many of them i do want to share something though with my you know talk about having being or having integrity and sharing our you know like some of the things that shattered my paradigm was my buddies and i so we're all i mean we're all big sports fans and my two best friends that i grew up with like that's that's one of the things that we have most in common we all played sports growing up together we all follow professional sports um i've had the opportunity to train professional athletes to be around them a lot later on in my fitness career now when i was younger i used to always debate to my buddies my buddies or they have different professions one of them's a principal the other one's a physical therapist and you know i had more interaction with these professionals athletes and i used to say to them all the time that every but they're all on steroids i'm like when you see them and you see the level that they perform at they're all on steroids and that's really the major thing that separates the professional athlete and everybody else now where my my paradigm was shattered and it was more recent when this happened because i have been around more professional athletes in the last five years than i have my previous ten and on top of that i remember watching that ted talk that was really powerful for me and i had never seen those stats before on how the how sports have evolved um from the science of the shoes the turf the the pools that the way they're designed that they swim in the caps and like what a difference and there's all spandex the what they call the democratization of sports where yes athletes became very specialized where basketball players got real tall and if you look at football is a great example football is probably the best example of any sport you can get where you can clearly see uh specialization in positions where alignment looks totally different than a cornerback you're completely different so it's like they're born for that so these things these all this started happening right at the same time i started coming i came across that ted talk and then i started putting more and more together and then i actually got some of my my closer friends like you know eric frampton and and brennan abendezio like these guys are all natural you know been in we're in the league for 13 plus years people like navarro bowman a lot some of these guys are actually all natural athletes and i know that because they're friends of mine i've had chances to talk to them like you know and share about it like i was genuinely curious like you know did you get and they're like no some of these dudes and that's where the genetic piece i realized like well they're just a majority one percent you know yeah that that make it even to that level it's like ridiculous so i've now changed my whole theory on professional athletes and steroids and that is most of them actually are fucking genetic anomalies and that's what really separates them at the professional level and they were on that course as young kids all the way to there now there is a high majority two that are that have dabbled in steroids and stuff like that well there's always the temptation even though they have that gift they're competing with somebody like they've always killed it right so going growing up like in all the sports everybody was they pretty much dominated everybody now all of a sudden they're in an arena where everybody's just about equal yeah so every little incremental performance gain is so valuable to them so the temptation for it's even greater you know where i see the the the benefit of anabolic steroids for professional athletes recovery yeah and helping them a percent and helping them especially as they age i actually think they use i think they use more anabolics um for that are geared towards recovery than i actually do before i used to think like everyone's hopped up on testosterone and growth hormone and that's they just grow to be these huge humans because of all the shit that they're taking and now knowing what i know now i go what you know i don't think that at all i think they're using here how they train they train specifically just to to last you know that's a to yeah promote longevity in their career it's not about you know gaining like this extra mass you know to to dominate well people people don't realize like these sports are real extreme in terms of the damage they cause to the body even an even a sport like basketball which you don't think it's like football right but these guys the way that they're playing and running on a consistent level at that level uh that they're playing at that professional level and and the size of these guys i mean here's the thing you want to consider we're talking about genetic anomalies like when you watch basketball you watch a basketball game right you're looking at a bunch of dudes who are six eight and up right and a lot of them are seven feet and up like massive humans now think about your everyday life yeah how often do you see a seven foot how many times in your life have you truly seen somebody that's seven feet tall and excluding actually going to a basketball game i can remember one or two times in my life dude and that's how rare it was i remember okay the the point guards most point guards you know your michael six six right the smallest guy i play i played point as as a freshman as i got later in the high school i sprouted up a little bit then they moved me to power forward i was six foot okay the point guard position is normally about a six four to six six in the mba yeah how many six six humans do you even know right like i can count on one hand how many six six humans i fucking know and to think that there's a whole league of them it just shows you like that a lot of that is genetic and that's not steroids didn't grow that's seven but no and then you see like like you guys ever you know i know you have both of you guys at but you meet a pro football player i mean these guys some of these guys are you know 300 plus pounds faster and more agile your muscle than anyone you know yeah like that it just doesn't make it it's like it's it's no joke it's like it's like taking a human and giving them all the steroids in the world and then putting them in a cage with a gorilla like an actual gorilla you can have the most you can put me on all the growth hormone testosterone the world and a gorilla will shred me yeah with one hand because that's just their genes i think justin shared the story uh you know when he worked for me years ago we did this i shut the gym down the basketball court and we played we played a five on five against the 49ers you know and we and there was i was so i opened oh yeah you know and man he lost yeah man he lost in isaac stop stop well that he isaac stop a walk i think was weighing about 320 or 340 pounds all the time i had to guard him and i i would i watched him i watched him run up and down the court like a fucking gazelle jump up and dunk the basketball dunk he shot it from half court and drained it like he just had this crazy athletic ability you're just like what in the hell doesn't even make sense and i remember the first time he was working out next to me we it was it i'll never forget this and i was like i'm on i'm on juice at this time i'm steroid it out i'm doing skull crushers and i've got like 40 pound or 45 pound dumbbells and i'm doing isolation you know skull crushers with it and i'm like pumping them out he lays down right next to me he grabs the 95s and like pumps them out for like 20 reps doing the same movement easily yeah just like and i saw him do like 500 pound bench press just wrapping it out like you know 10 15 times was like what and he's a simoan guy right so you these you see this and i i used to think that it was all steroids and i don't believe that anymore no i just think it's part of some of a lot of their protocol but it but does it is it making them a pro out i think it's more for the guys that are on the on the fringe right the guy that's like just you know you're like barely rude kind of guy you know it's just won't fucking let it go you know like you're not like gifted like all these other guys you know and you just have to like no i could do this like i got skill and you know there's a couple of those guys that they they break through and they just it's all heart you know but they need something else so trip off this right think of the average person it physically and then think of these just freaks of nature who are these elite athletes and think of the difference physically right you got average joe schmo guy over here and then you've got like you know pro you know track and field you know whatever or or football player or whatever right the difference between them to the two is like two different species right now do you guys think that happens intellectually do you think that there's people who also make up that small course how crazy is that imagine walking around first of all imagine walking around being that genetic anomaly physically you just like you could walk around like you could kill every human if you wanted to with just a you know swipe right now imagine if you're just one of those super intelligent people how frustrating life must be to walk around like you're all a bunch of you suck yeah yeah yeah think about that weird you hear about that you hear about some of the most brilliant people didn't finish school and but because they felt like it was so slow and boring to Paul check is like that yeah Paul check has read the guy constantly is learning and reading and will recite things to you and talk to you about things that'll just blow your absolute mind and I don't think he finished high school I think I can't remember his I can't he told his story on our show we gotta ask him when he comes yeah we will ask him but I and if he did I remember him saying like he was just like whatever of a student you know he didn't care I feel like a lot of the really really brilliant minds are like that where it's school seems so structured and small and they there's they think so much bigger and beyond that you know it'd be weird to live in that body huh quick interruption by our sponsors you guys lots of people been asking us how they can support the mind pump mafia family our first one is our chimera coffee that we 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big books for me that it's not even a big book so one of the shortest best reads I've ever read I think I've said this on the show at least two or three times before over the last couple of years one minute manager if you're in leadership and so that's why talking to my 21 yourself I was 20 years old when I was put into a leadership role so I was already managing people that were all older than me at 20 so at 21 I would and I think it was until about 25 or 26 when I read this book it was a game changer for me one minute manager changed completely my leading style another great read for that age was 360 leader by John C. Maxwell that was in the idea that is like being in a company where you are a leader or in management yourself and you have people above you and below you and you're the people above you you don't see as maybe the most intelligent or great leaders and how do you work how do you work around that you know so I thought that was those two right away come to mind as big ones and then god what's another one that I would have told my that was major for me later on maybe Jack Welch is winning oh yeah you know being a lot of my forward and outspoken comes from that like being candid oh you know what actually take that back even better book was first break all the rules this was a great book for me because I felt like when I was working for a company they are giving me all these rules and regulations and structure and you know I always felt like I just I've always been the type of person to challenge authority and think outside the box and you know sometimes you can get in a company and that they can crush a spirit like that because they can make you feel like you have to conform to their way in order to be successful and I remember at that age I was really struggling with that I was struggling with my gut and what my gut told me inside with what my bosses and people were telling me on the outside so first break all the rules 360 liter and one minute manager we have that in common that whole hating to conform in fact I think both you and I were both somewhat of black sheep at 24 our fitness a hundred percent I was known as being that everybody was afraid to promote because I might it's part of where something crazy my first business name where we love to hate Adam stem from so it was that was said a lot to me so I stuck with it dude I literally I literally told our divisional president to go fuck himself and I I said I called him a derogatory term because he was overweight which is weird to me that you man that you're you're president of a fitness organization and you're obese and you're a dickhead so I thought about reaching out to Don thanks for calling his name that's great or let's be let's leave that out I just I just I just thought that might be who it was he's a nice guy now and Ben Randall who was my boss and I thought they would make for great interviews to actually one so I thought I would sit out and let you guys interview him or maybe you sat out and we got to interview him and ask about you I think they would be a unique interview ask about me you know I got I he called me one I've got I got on the phone see when you if you were a manager of a club you rarely ever talk to the divisional president unless you were you know doing something really crazy either good or bad like then you'd get a phone call or whatever and I got a couple phone calls one time I got a phone call because we got a ticket from the Sunnyvale fire department because I had got I had my sales guys do balloon arches on all of the street lamps all the way up and down Fremont Boulevard and Sunnyvale Saratoga Road which so what we would do is we tie them kind of loose and let them float up so they're they're way up in this we we blew up like four tanks of helium to do this and the balloons were like blowing into the street you know it's causing traffic and shit and fire department comes and tells me to take them down and I said I'm not going to I can't I don't know how to get up there so they run us a big ticket and I got a call from him and he was so angry and I said yeah well how much is a ticket I said subtract it from my total today because I just crushed all the other club I was a total cocky dickhead when I'd get on the phone with some of these guys so um so here's a good business book that I read that I think would have been great if I had read this when I was 21 it's from it's by Jim Collins called good to great and good book one of the one thing that stuck out to me from that book was he talked about using windows and mirrors was the term he used windows and mirrors so he talked about how good companies perform and how great companies perform and the differences is windows and mirrors and what great companies do or what great leaders do is when something goes wrong they look in the mirror when leaders who aren't as good what they do is they look out the window and look and try and blame other people so a great leader looks in the mirror now when things are going right a great leader looks out the window at his team what's my team doing or why are we doing so great we're a less good leader would look out would would look in the mirror at themselves and and you know take all the credit so I thought that was fascinating and I had remembered working for some incredible leaders and that's how they were like when things went wrong it was like okay what can I do as a leader to do better when things were great they gave us all the credit and from a leadership point of view it was very very motivating to work for people like that a couple other books that really instrumental for me in terms of you know my thought process they're not fitness this is not a fitness book it's it's really it's a book written by an economist Milton Friedman I don't hide the fact that I'm a big fan of Milton Friedman and I learned quite a bit from actually YouTube watching some of his videos he had the series that he recorded and I believe it was in 1980 that he recorded and it was what was the name of the series it was called free to choose and it was a brilliant series because Milton Friedman very very smart man he puts things the way he talks about things he explains things in ways that are very easy to understand he's like the Carl Sagan of the economy world like Carl Sagan as a physicist was very smart he wasn't the most brilliant physicist in the world it wasn't breakthrough or anything but Carl says the way explain the way he explained it he was able to communicate to the average person and make quite an impact and Milton Friedman did that very well in some of his talks and stuff that he did throughout the 70s and early 80s and he wrote a book called free to choose and another book called capitalism of freedom and it really helped me understand how economics really is the that's really the driver of peace worldwide is through economics there's lots of philosophies of how we can become more peaceful as a society but economics from a you know from a standpoint of what is you know actually going to work what's realistic is the is the most powerful and I learned quite a bit from reading that I also read a book by iron rand the fountain head was really was and atlas shrug now i'm not a huge iron rand fan herself but the books themselves are really fascinating and it helped me understand how sometimes as a society we put we place a lot of blame on certain people who are actually doing things that we're benefiting greatly from and you know certain these a lot of these people aren't perfect of course but a lot of the times we blame the producers of of great things the people who create and produce and risk and because they're the producers and the creators we also look at them and blame them many times for a lot of great things when in reality we don't look you know it's like we don't look at ourselves and I remember having a conversation a lot one time with somebody who was talking about how they were blaming retail companies for a lot of problems in society and they were saying hey look man like look at all these liquor stores that they put in these bad neighborhoods like they're just perpetuating this bad situation and I remember after reading some of the books thinking well all we have to do is stop buying their products you know you know we talk about the supplement industry all the time and how shitty they are and how they advertise and the stuff they promote but at the end of the day they wouldn't exist if we didn't buy their products and the powers in our hands and you know learning reading about economics and reading some of these books helped me understand really how powerful I was as a consumer and it's it's an empowering feeling it was really good to understand that know that the most impactful thing I can do in my everyday choices is decide where I put my money that's right vote with your dollar and and that's really and it's it's it's sometimes it's hard to do right because nobody wants to take responsibility for the shit that they see like they want to blame the cigarette company but they don't want to blame themselves for buying the cigarettes they want to blame McDonald's but they don't want to blame themselves for giving McDonald's money it's empowering but with that empowerment comes responsibility and it was a it was a paradigm shattering moment for me to realize that yeah I think for me I'm thinking about like some books that impacted me especially after college because for the most part I was just reading textbooks for every different subject for a while when he goes to town yeah when he the poo and Dr. Seuss those are my good hey Dr. Seuss is one of the greatest philosophers of all time actually yeah he's legit I still read that to my kids and fuck yeah it's like I love that stuff anyways like the e-myth and the e-myth revisited by Michael Gerber was really impactful for me as an entrepreneur because you know you don't learn that kind of stuff in school and for me to to be able to assess you know how to create a business and how to not just work on your business like work inside your business and be a technician but to work outside of your business and and think about you know how to kind of pull myself out and really assess how everything is is is interacting and working and like how I can improve things from from the exterior not just like being so day to day involved like today I'm doing this and like this is how I'm going to get clients and my whole focus was just like I just need to get clients and train them and service them and it really helped me to kind of pull outside of that a little bit more and think more on the growth of the actual business and and how I could sort of replace myself within that so also to the lean startup is another one just really really helped me to kind of assess like where to where to manage better like how to how to put put like like like not just buy all the bells and whistles right away you know like really think about you know what what is what you can operate with currently and and squeeze that for as long as you can because if anybody knows anything about business the longer you're in the business if you you know what what kills businesses is cash every single time and if you don't manage that properly and and you just you just like want to want to have everything already from the go or you want to get this huge loan you're putting yourself in a hole you're gonna have to dig yourself out of like and so anyway there's a lot of strategies in there that made a lot of sense and got me thinking a little bit more how to be efficient in you know like structuring everything and how to spend my money appropriately and the rest of them are pretty much well as far as training goes like super training is a great book for me with mel sif and that that got me really introduced more into the um which we ignored a lot because the soviet union like how how they i mean they dominated like all these strength sports uh and they did it with science and they really like they did all these really interesting studies that we didn't adopt till later on here and so they they after we got the shit kicked out of us just got our ass handed to us well they invested people and realized that the soviet union as a as a nation invested lots and because it was a source of national pride and you know the olympics was used and it still is today but especially back then when you had the the cold war right you had communism versus capitalism yeah and the soviet union really viewed the olympics as a way to display their superior you know uh ways of leading ways of you know living right their government and uh their philosophy of communism and they invested a shit ton of money in their strength athletes and a lot of the science of their training is fascinating it's brilliant it's fascinating and they and they actually tested all these different theories like you know anywhere from i mean this is where i got back into isometric training and uh lots of these different like modalities that you're kind of like wow they're you know i knew it was effective but why you know and they actually tested these things out and um so anyway that's i mean it's a pretty it's not like an easy read or anything but it's something i'm always referencing constantly because there's so much is a wealth of information in there to to extract especially if you're a trainer so um so definitely that and then the rest of them are pretty much like tripod and all the the like access like star wars uh books just because i can't help it man i love sci-fi and i love to uh think about yeah but you wouldn't have to tell your 21 year olds aliens and universal that now i would have probably yeah exactly i'm starting into that so yeah so mainly i guess those other books i mentioned all right this question is from kitoy german volume training packs on mass they say right or wrong so gvt german volume training so this was a training technique used by the eastern germans the communist eastern germans for putting on muscle mass and size on their weight lifters and we learned about this of course after the berlin after the wall fell and by the way communism lost just in case you got some people who are like oh communism was more effective because their weight lifters were better no they lost and their their coaches came over here and now we're the strongest so there uh but yeah they uh what they what german volume training was was they would take an exercise a movement like squats and you would pick a rep range let's say 10 reps and you would keep the weight the same and you would do 10 sets okay it's basically that's all it is so you do 10 sets of an exercise uh you have a particular rest period in between each set and the goal is to hit the same number of reps each time so you got to be very careful with the weight you choose now some interesting things happen with german volume training and i'll tell you why it actually does work um in some ways when you adopt this type of trainer when you start to utilize this particular technique what you'll find let's say you do squats for 10 sets of 10 reps is that the squats will get more difficult and more difficult and more difficult until you hit like set number four or five and then all of a sudden you get stronger it's really weird all of a sudden you feel stronger and then you get fatigued again towards the end and uh it's always trips people out when they do this it doesn't happen everybody but most of you who are you know have who are pretty fit you'll notice this when you do this and of course you don't want to pick a weight that's too heavy you're not going to go 10 reps the failure each time because there's no way you'll be able to do this you want to pick a weight that's you can do pretty well with the moderate amount of intensity but you'll find after about five sets you feel stronger and more solid in your lifts what you're noticing is central nervous system adaptation right then and there right in the in the middle of these sets your central nervous system starts to adapt and starts to put out more strength now the reason why this is an effective training tool and it's a short term one it's not one that's always effective is simply for that reason right there it really trains your central nervous system in a specific way because you're just doing squats or you're just doing deadlifts or you're just doing bench press you're practicing it and you're getting really good at recruitment patterns and firing within that particular workout what's the what's the frequency protocol with it is it once a week twice a week so the Germans actually did it differently than bodybuilders bodybuilders now will do this and they'll be it'll they'll do their body part split with it so if today's chest then i'm gonna do you know 10 sets of bench press and that's my workout and then i'll do it again so i've actually followed this protocol before so i'm curious to like exactly how the frequency well they would have pretty frequent because they were weight lifters and weight lifters lifted very frequently yeah so they would do this and they'd probably do this two or three day two or three days a week uh with a particular exercise um some people have done this every single day of course you got to be careful with the intensity and the weight that you use but if you do this right uh and if it's different enough you'll see gains definitely from it well it's a lot of volume i mean that's and that's hence the name right so i think a lot of people will see and i think that's volume is one of the the biggest ways that you can show it's like one of the ways that it's as a trainer i use this as like a magic trick you know and i say that because clients think it's like this magical thing that you do but it's alakazam but it's actually really simple if i take some it's the same approach that i do when i take a client that and i'm assessing their nutrition and i tell them to just eat how you normally eat show me what you're doing and then from there i'm adjusted so if i really want to impress somebody and show them like instant change in their physique or gains i'll have them do the same thing with resistance as i'll you know write your work work out how you've always worked out show me what your week looks like and then all i have to do and i want them to track their sets their reps and their weight and then once they present that to me i'll sit down put it all into calculator and i'll mathematically break down the volume per muscle so i'll look at the legs and i'll say okay they've done a total of you know 25 000 pounds of volume in a week and i know that if i take them to 30 000 pounds of volume in a week the next week they're going to see a difference they're going to see a difference in strength they'll see a difference and so volume is the biggest game changer that will show people this the growth in and muscle size and in strength so if you're somebody who trains a basic body part split or you normally do three to five sets of exercises then all sudden somebody hits you with 10 sets of squats like your volume is going to increase so much that yeah and when your body adapts to that volume you're going to see some major growth and gains i think but there's a difference too between like just doing 10 sets of legs and you're doing let's say you know three different exercises and then doing 10 sets of the same exercise there's this very interesting like you get the cns habit adaptation that's it's quite fast i've done this before it's really weird that's this the sed principle right it's a it's a specific adaptation right so you know that's what what's happening with that and so 10 sets of i mean that's why you know when when we break down different types of training modalities like you know gvt i didn't even know that this is the protocol to it it's really the the manipulation of volume and and frequency are like the two biggest things that people will see and i think learning as a as a person who's working out at the gym is understanding that is understanding that you know it wasn't this magical program that made my body change it's that whoa look at this i totally changed my volume or like you know and that's i'll tell you part of the magic behind maps and why we know it just blows everybody's mind away it's because we know that most people don't really utilize the frequency concept most people are getting this information from bodybuilders and are told you know you hammer one body part per week maybe twice a week you hit it then all of a sudden maps comes along along and we teach you guys that listen stop training to failure back off of that increase your frequency and we know damn well that's naturally going to not only promote more muscle growth because of the frequency and the muscle building signal that you're sending that we also know you're probably gonna naturally increase volume because when you go to hit squats or a major compound lift three times a week you didn't fry yourself from 10 to 15 sets of it the date two days before we know that you're going to be able to increase your weight and your volume so you know it's even maps it's not we don't say it's magical we just understand the general population and how they train and we're giving people the tools that actually really will change your body and your physique and that's the real magic if you're doing that many reps and sets you know and one specific thing your body gets really good at that you know it's just like practice and and your body's going to respond at a high level when that's the focus and you're not overpowering it with all this load you're frying yourself with it you're it's just like practice you're just like continually repetitiously going through this it's here's some some drawbacks so it's it's actually quite effective in the short term this type of philosophy you will get stronger you will build muscle you'll adapt quickly you'll adapt quickly and overuse injuries are very common with us because you're doing the same thing over and over again you'll notice you might start getting problems in your joints so if you do utilize german volume training do so for short periods of time you know i would do it no longer than three four weeks at the most and then back out of it otherwise you will find yourself causing some yourself some problems next question is from fit og fry you just got your own bat cave what do you put in it bat cave i'll talk about that let's talk about the gym i'd put in it no see that's okay you go that way because i i run away i'm like i'm not putting a fucking gym in my back you're a fucking super i already have i already have that our gym is built the way i'd want it man like we have the toy like i couldn't be happier with batman is like a billionaire you can put like all this like cool electric electronics that's right man bro latest gear i've got a hundred i got a hundred inch fucking hd tv i'm getting one of those suits that like like make you invisible you want shit that doesn't exist basically totally yeah i don't know i want my i want my bat cave i'm i am i'm like justin i'm into uh tech and new toys and i love i'm a movie buff guy so i would actually build a pretty fucking sick like you know underground movie theater experience because i enjoy watching movies so much that i would want my bat cave to have that maybe a couple of my arcade games uh inside there maybe make sure it's about a 15 tall 15 foot tall ceiling so you can put a little half court basketball court in there i'm doing that but you know those like indoor uh like skydiving things you know like yeah oh yeah that's going to get one of those that's cool yeah it's like floating around you know that's really cool rock climbing walls would be exactly i would love i would have of course i'd have the sickest gym of all time but then i'd have this like amazing spa in there as well with you know jacuzzi and steam okay i like that i like that and cold you know freezing cold dip um i you know i'd have like the latest stuff i would want you know what kind of steam room i don't want i want a steam room with a tv in it that doesn't get fogged up oh that'd be dope you know how sick that would be that would be dope just chill in there yes okay i like what you're going now like so that i would like stuff like i would like i would like a place to me that would be this ultimate relax like the things that i love to do to like calm me down which watching movies is there steam i love the hot cold dip concept that's a brilliant idea badass tv which i could watch from my steam room i think would be awesome uh you know some sort of a like you know massage type chair table let me ask you i want a butler do you really oh we could we could uh like a hologram i mean it is a batman cave we got it we should have a what's his name okay well jeev's okay that's that's a good i wouldn't have beer i would have a specialist come in test me for everything food intolerances hormones a whole deal and then prepare my meals every day based on my new measurements every single day so i'd eat my like scans you like today your diet's gonna be comprised of largely saturated fats because we noticed blah blah blah blah or today we're gonna give you some more starches because this went down and that went up you just contracted h i'd be i'd be what i mean i mean herpes i'd be i'd be optimized all the time you know what i mean so what this is would you guys rather have a super ridiculous expensive inside of your house or a small you know nice little pleasant home with a lot of land that you could do shit with which one do you would you rather have dude that's a that's a tough one and i and i you know having all the land on the outside and the sunshine and the fresh air and all that sounds really cool like i'd really love to have land but i gotta be honest like i've told katrina this a million times like when we build our custom home i will have a master bedroom that is literally like a vault like air won't be able to only like filtrated cool air will get in because my allergies and i just want to be able to breathe and i want to have this like complete dust free room so i want your total i do i do want like the bubble boy type of a room so as much as i appreciate outside it looks better for me looking from a window than it actually is being out there because and i and i of course this is close to close to home for me right now because the last two weeks of allergies has been fucking insane you know that one house that's that's i don't know if it's lake tahoe but like there used to be like one of the gangsters owned it where they had like the secret um bottom half of the house where they could like escape with a boat and they just get on the lake and take off like i want like secret compartments you know i mean like that and then like i could go in a lake or then i just zipline the fuck out of there you know what do you know what the feds come after me get an argument with your wife yeah i'm out of here i'm out of here ziplines yeah let's go hang out my e-walk no i'd love to have like a creek that i could like put my feet in i'd love to have like you know grassy hills that i could like pull sleds up and you know i'd love to be able to hike on my own property and just and meditate and i'd love to have like a tree area with design for meditation i don't know i'd like that i'm not too much i'm not too excited about like a crazy big internal part of the house i want a nice comfortable house but i'd rather have something like where i go outside and there's like a big buddha statue with like waterfalls and shit and you know that kind of stuff in i'm saying peaceful exactly i like it check it out go to mind pump media dot com 30 days of coaching is still available and guess what it's still for free also if you want us to answer one of your questions like the ones we just answered right now you got to go to instagram mind pump media that's where you'll find us look for the qua post and ask your question make sure you hashtag that make sure you hashtag qua q u a h and if we like your question we will answer it on air you can also find our individual instagram pages mine is mine pump sal adam is mine pump adam and justin is mine pump justin thank you for listening to mine pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and 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