 May I come in sir? Good morning sir. Please sit down. Thank you sir. Ma Jain. Yes sir. What were your subjects in mains? Sir, forest and geology sir. Forest and geology? Yes sir. You have been to South India? Sir, I have been to... Yes sir, I was in Bangalore once. Only once? I visited. Otherwise you have not seen Kerala, Tamil Nadu or anything like that. Sir, unfortunately I did not care. I did not care at all. You like South Indian disease? Yes sir, my name is also... Yes sir, first of all I like South Indian disease. Then sir, Dosa, Idli. So these are the famous South Indian diseases. Dosa, Idli, Vada? Yes sir. Uttapam? Yes sir. Okay. We have national commission for dual caste, dual tribes, backward classes. Is it? Can as constitutional bodies. Do we have any commission for socially and educationally backward classes? It is national commission for socially and educationally. At the national level, socially and educationally backward classes commission? Sir, There is a national commission for backward classes only... which was a.... socially then educationally backward classes commission. Sorry sir I am not able to think... to think probably we do not have, otherwise I am not sure sir. We had previously. Sorry sir. I am not sure. These OVC reservations when those came or reservations for other backward classes, these are recommendations by subcommission. Sorry sir. As of the moment I am not able to recall. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. These reservations in OVC is based on the Mandel commission. Okay sir. Thank you sir. So that was the commission for a particular period. Okay. Thank you. Okay. We have journal counsels. You heard of this? Yes sir. We are having journal counsels sir. Some meetings taking place, Home Minister said this in this council, that council. Sir, I am having few information about the journal council that they are having. Little loud meetings. Okay sir. Sorry sir. Sir, we are having some journal council which I know is through state reorganization act of 1956. We are having western journal council and eastern journal council, central journal council. Who had those councils? Sir, as of now I am able to recall. I may be wrong but these are headed by the chief minister of the respective state in a rotation basis. I just told that Home Minister is telling something in the council meeting. Headed by the? Sorry sir. Home Minister. These councils are headed by the Home Minister. Sorry sir. He frequently holds meetings of different councils. Okay. See this elections to Rajya Sabha. Yes sir. You know the process of elections to Rajya Sabha member? Yes sir. You know that? Yes sir. So Rajya Sabha members are representative of? The states. Of the states. Yes. So generally if a Rajya Sabha member is from Madhya Pradesh, he should represent Madhya Pradesh. Yes sir. And he should be a voter there. Sir, the voter clause we were having earlier that the representation to the same state required one to be the voter in the same state but as of now we do not have such clause. So when it was amended and that clause amended? Sir, sorry sir. I am not sure. It was amended in 2003. Okay. Thank you sir. You heard of Wall Street, Dalal Street? Sorry sir. Dalal Street you heard of? Dalal Street sir. Sorry sir. I am not. Bombay Stock Exchange? Sir. Bombay Stock Exchange. Sir Bombay Stock Exchange. What is it? Sir, it is a stock exchange platform like we have national stock exchange. What is the function of those? Sir, basically it is a, sir basically the function of Bombay Stock Exchange is trade in securities and bonds. We have any sports university in our country? Sports university? Sorry sir. Not heard of. I am not aware sir. Okay. Brahmos Missiles? Yes sir. What are those? Sir, Brahmos missile, other missile which are jointly developed by India and Russia sir. These are probably super sonic missile, exact details I have to discuss. Okay. Thank you. You have to speak little louder. Okay sir. Sorry sir. Sorry to bother you sir. India has also a new scheme on palm oil. Are you aware of that? Sorry sir. So commodity development of palm oil in India also? Sorry sir. I am not aware of the scheme as such. Okay. Do we import palm oil from some other country? Yes sir. Major portion of the palm oil we import from other countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, these countries. Okay. We use dependence on that. Government of India has also a new national programme on palm oil particularly. Okay. Thank you sir. So what are the challenges with respect to palm oil cultivation and plantation? Sorry sir. I am not exactly sure. You know what is agroforestry? Yes sir. I know. Can you speak something about it? Sir, agroforestry is basically the concept where agriculture and the forestry activities are carried simultaneously and in the same manner. Sir, for example, a farmer is growing crop in his field as well as the trees. So this is the idea of agroforestry. So what kind of trees? Sir, there can be multiple types of trees. For example, sir, the fruit bearing trees can also be there like mango trees, jamun trees. So these kind of... Anything suitable for more or no? Home district? Yes sir. I believe agroforestry is more or less suitable to every... So which trees can be planted near the crops? So we can plant the trees which are like I gave example of like which are... No, suitable to the climate conditions and all that. Yes sir, which are suitable to the climate condition and which are not having allopathic effect and the harming tendency to the nearby crops, sir. Okay, so in that only what would be suitable? Can you suggest any trees? Let's say you are the DFO of more or no district. Can you suggest any trees which will be suitable for agroforestry in more or no? Yes sir, we can plant trees like... Sir, we can plant trees like jamun trees and neem tree and also sir, tamarind trees. So this kind of tree we can plant it in my Morena district only as we are having abundance of these trees in my district. Okay, on that. What is the role of forest service officer in tribal development? Sir, there are multiple dimension on which forest officer touches upon tribal development. Firstly sir, the tribal rights that... Ensuring the tribal rights through Indian... Forest Rights Act of 2006 sir. Also we come up with... Ensuring the rural tribal project of the... We take care of the wildlife and planting activities which are effective for the betterment of tribals. And also sir, we are having certain schemes for tribal upliftment for their health and education. So we also ensure implementation of the schemes. Are you sure the district collective is responsible for the schemes? Sir, they are also responsible but I believe sir, at least coordination work or some... If not direct or major role then helping and implementation roles as well. Is Morena an aspirational district? No sir, Morena is not an aspirational district. Okay. Last question. You have not filled Madhya Pradesh as your home garden despite your being from Madhya Pradesh. Yes. The reason why? Actually my family is likely to shift in Rajasthan only. So I have given that as first reference over in Madhya Pradesh. Thank you sir. Okay, Morena. Yes sir. Welcome to Madhya Pradesh. Yes sir. Okay. Yes sir. Why do you want to join Indian Forest Service? Sir, I have always been inclined toward nature conservation. And so through Indian Forest Services I can work for this course in a more integrated manner sir. There are tourism activities, there are Wildlife Protection Act, there are forest surveys and in a long run getting a chance to make forest policies as well. So sir, these... And also sir, I believe that if we want to go for human development then we have to ensure the health of environment as well. So sir, ensuring the same I believe... Have you visited any district forest area? Yes sir. I have been to run Kumbol National Park. Yes sir. Yes sir. How about the National Park in Madhya Pradesh? Sir, unfortunately I did not get a... There is a National Park nearby Gwalior? Yes sir. There is a Madhav National Park nearby Gwalior in Shopore district and also there is Palpur Konong which has recently given the status of National Park in Shopore District. Both of these are nearby Gwalior. Why was it used? Sir, Palpur Kunong. Yes sir. Sir, it was in news because of the, because of the program of cheetah reintroduction and also the, it was also proposed site for the relocation of gear loins from, gear loins from Gujarat sir. So, it was. So, the area is revines. Yes. So, they are particularly different type of vegetation. What type of vegetation there? It is revines. Sir, in revines the, mainly the vegetation is such which is resisted by the nature of the area. So, sir, the hardy species like, sir, Prosperus, Julifera and Akesha Catechu, Akesha Arabica, these kind of, these kind of species are specifically in the Ravine area and sir, on other areas we are having other type of forest like. Sir, how soil and water conservation methods can be done in your area, this Murayana? Sir, sir, government has also come up with a, with a scheme or vision of making the badland topography and converting the badland topography into an agricultural cultivable land, sir. So, basically we are planning to firstly level the, level the field of the ghillie which is, which is not appropriate as of now, sir. And planting more trees which are, which are having, which are having very dense rooter we can, which can bind the soil effectively. And also, sir, one of the major reasons of this badland topography is, is water erosion through chumble and its tributary only, sir. So, if we can control the, we can control the water erosion through check dams or check dam or these activities. Sir, what is the scope of aerial seeding in those areas which are beyond, I mean, reach? Because we, we are a bit of areas. Yes, sir. So, what is the scope of aerial seeding in those areas which are not reach? Sir, we have earlier also, we have earlier also went for aerial seeding once in the chumble region only, sir. Sir, particularly in the Ravine area is the aerial seeding performed well, sir. Especially, we planted some, we, we chose two or three species, sir, for aerial seeding among which the Prosphoraeus juliferae show a success rate of, I think, greater than 80 percent, sir. So, we can go for aerial seeding for this area, sir. Okay. There is Cain Gharial Sanctuary also? Yes, sir. There is a Cain Gharial Sanctuary. Do you have something about it? Yes, sir. Sir, there is the Cain Gharial Sanctuary is located in Murano and basically it is on the tri-function of MPUP in Rajasthan, sir. Sir, it houses the, it has the Gharial reserve which is for the protection of Gharial and it also has the Indian, Indian, the, so, Gangetic Dolphin which is the national aquatic animal of India. Right. Okay. How you link forestry with the livelihood in those areas where the poverty is there? Yes, sir. Sir, forestry, sir, forestry in many ways provide livelihood to the people. For example, sir, through the timber-based industry, if there is any, we can have the timber-based industry which can provide. What type of, what type of minor forest produce we normally get there in this Gwalior, Murena, Chambal areas? Yes, sir. We get especially the Khair. Khair. Khair. Akesha, Akesha Rabbika or Katecho, sir. We really get the Khair and Gum in the, in the Murena and Gwalior region and also we are having one Katha processing unit in Banmur, sir, Banmur which is in Murena district only and also, sir, honey production is high in this place. Which one is the most dominant species there, tree species in this Chambal, Murena areas? Have you heard that term? Kadhai. Kadhai. Kadhai. This is your local name? Anogasis? Latifolia? Okay. Sir, sir, it was also the tree of, of the run Thambur National Park I visited. Kadhai. Yes. Okay. Doubling of income. Yes, sir. Of farmer. Yes, sir. This is the reason of our prime industry. Yes, sir. Will it be possible with the, with the help of other, other, you can say, supportive income from, to what, what type of other income you can think for the farmer for doubling their income in the Murena area. Sir, firstly, we can apply the agroforestry concept over there. Okay. So, in agroforestry, sir, in case of crop failure, we, the farmer will still have the, still have the benefits of the, their tree producer. So, it will give an addition to them, sir. Also, sir, we can, we can use the minor forest, minor forest produce and make industries out of them. So, it will also help in ensuring extra or additional income to them. And also, sir, in forestry also we have concept of utilization of like, sir, having, for example, sir, having pond ecosystem and, and using the. Animal husbandry can be thought of? Yes, sir. Animal husbandry surely, sir. Because all areas are really milk producing areas. Yes, milk producing, sorry, sir. That's what I want to know. My last question is, it's a bulwark, DFO, Gwalior, all Murena. Yes, sir. But these are very tough areas. Yes, sir. Especially, notorious people are there and everybody is carrying gun with them. Yes, sir. Okay. And there is a shang mining. Yes, sir. You know, mafias are moving there. Yes, sir. Always there is an incident. How long will you handle all these things? And being a really high-price officer. Sir, sir, yes, there are serious problems like gun culture and sand mafia there. But we should appreciate the fact that the Murena district is one of the highest, is one of the highest improving in Trikavar. It is third district in terms of the improvement in forest cover, sir. So, things are improving and also, sir, we can aware the masses that what we are doing is for the betterment of them only. And we can use our system to curb the activities. Thank you. You have done BFC. Yes, sir. So, generally people going for studying engineering or doctor, M.D.B.F.C. Why is that you chose BFC? Sir, actually, after my 12th examination only, I was having somewhere in my mind that I will go for sales services, sir. So, I did not thought of doing engineering and this all. I hope for a simple deal, sir. So, can we say that you are not really interested in BFC also? Sir, this is not the case. When I studied for it, I took most of out of it. And then since science were my basic subjects in my school also. No, the point is what you are saying is contradicted because the options which you took was nothing to do with physics or chemistry. You took forestry and geology. If you had such a long-term plan, then you would have taken BFC, then you would have chosen that as an option. Sir, forestry and geology and BFC. Yes, maybe you could have studied forestry or maybe you could have taken physics or chemistry as your option. Sir, I think, sir, studying subjects for graduation and studying subjects for main examination like Indian Forest Services are two different things, sir. Sir, in Indian Forest Services, I have to prepare two optional. And, sir, forestry being the subject which will... Sir, forestry actually is the subject which make me aware of the forest thing, sir. All right. What is scientific temper? Scientific temper. And why should we promote it? Sir, scientific temper is the way of looking at the thing in a scientific and rational manner without having any prejudice to any fact. Suppose, if anyone says like, this happens in this way. Someone should go for enquiry rather than straightly believing in it. And we should promote the spirit of scientific temper in our citizens to ensure that there is no superstition, there is no prejudice regarding any particular thing. Now, during the corona pandemic, you must have realized that when the vaccination was introduced, there were a lot of apprehensions and a lot of fake news also was there. Yes. Not only in India but throughout the world. How do we remove this? Because if you have people who believe that the vaccination is going to create more problem for us. Sir, I believe that the main solution lies in educating the masses and making them aware of the exact thing, sir. And giving them rationales against their notions. If they say that this is the case, then we should rationally and with facts tell them that these are the cases and you will not get hurt. No, probably we are thinking that people are not literate are generally who are having this problem. In fact, a lot of people are really educated and from very comfortable background are also believing that vaccines are not good for us. Sir, unfortunately this is also a problem that even after being educated we believe. Speak loudly. Sir, unfortunately this is also a problem that even after being educated we believe in such superstitions and some fake news is like not, sir. Also, you must have, since you are also digitally quite active you must have realized that there are a lot of fake news misinformation, disinformation which is there in the digital world, internet. Yes, sir. And there is creating a lot of problems. Yes, sir. How do we handle all this? Sir, we can, especially for countering fake news we can have a regulation or we can have a watch on the fake news activity per se. For example, if there is any fake news we can go for countering them. I am not exactly remembering the thing but there were some initiatives also. Probably there was some hello initiative or some initiative which was to counter fake news only and in turn provide the right information about the news. Now recently there have been some move towards reclaiming Chambal Ghati or Chambal Ravines for agriculture purpose. What is your view on this? Sir, I believe it is a very good project and we should go... Is it ecologically sustainable? Sir, there are certain challenges. Like people are saying that levelling the field may enhance the gully erosions but sir I believe that taking necessary steps like or doing minor changes in the project if required we should go with the projects. Minor changes means? Minor changes means sir if there are zone specific or area specific problem like what I am aware of is the main criticism was that with the levelling of the field instead of levelling of the field we should go for contour plantings and planting in ridges and trenches so this we can I think change. So what you are saying is it is more appropriate for horticulture than agriculture? Alright, now since you are a student of forest tree while coming in did you see some trees outside? Sorry sir, I did not. No you did not. Okay, thank you.