 we wonder next topic and this was our fears our top fears the worst things we think could happen with Nintendo at E3 for their announcements what do you got things that would upset you if they didn't talk about it or did and it was something bad or something to your favorite game that might just be a bad direction well Mario Odyssey's getting pushed back that would that would that would be huge yeah I'll shoot for a game that they claimed was basically done yeah they got delayed mm-hmm out of this year like then I could see them pushing like a smash out but just to have a big game for holiday but not the big games the game you've already played yeah that would be that would be I think one of the biggest things for me that would be a huge disappointment but other than that I mean I would say Nintendo's deciding and hey guess what we're folding well you love that switch we're done guess what it's a trial run like the NES classic just kidding yeah I don't at this point they've already announced things that I don't like so I don't know what else they can announce that you mean besides you know like I said honestly being pushed back or you know doing a game or not having a game yeah I don't I don't see a whole lot more than I can actually get mad about because I'm already mad with some of the stuff that they've announced so well what are you mad about that they announced well the whole stuff that we just talked about but that's it just a voice chat no yeah there's that that's all that I said much that's unless I mean in the grand scheme that sucks it's probably we're gonna use it anyway yeah that's so I don't know I mean you might use it with me if we're like but besides that whatever we'll find a different way yeah man pretty passive-aggressive over there if you know what me there are a lot of ways that they could screw this up and my fear is that this is the E3 last year was kind of an anomaly even E3 everyone knew they had a new system on the horizon but Nintendo announced beforehand they weren't gonna talk about it so it was kind of like a weird E3 it's like what could you talk about it E3 anyone's gonna care about when the only thing we want to know is what this new system is that is coming out so soon but use for some reason won't talk about it mm-hmm well then they surprised everyone in Breath of the Wild and it ended up being one of the greatest games ever made according to reviews in my opinion but yeah again I understand if you don't think it's one of the greatest games so it ended up working what up whatever may happen with the final product it worked last year so this year is kind of the switches first go at E3 and the switches a lot of momentum it's still selling out yeah I know people think oh it only has two games fine think it only has two games well they can't keep up with the man just with those two games so does it really matter yeah right that they don't have more than those two games even though they do so and when I look to E3 it's like this is the E3 where they need to prove this switch wasn't isn't just some fad it's not just this thing that is hitting hot right now and by this time next year people don't care about it anymore because that can happen fads can go like that yeah like the Wii a lot of people think the Wii was a fad console if it was a fad it was one of the longest fads because like fads you don't last that long and the switch was still selling really really well into 2010 like that's four years after release that's almost a full console cycle like console cycles usually go five years I know I know last generation went longer but in general if you look at the history of console cycles it's five years so it's like okay is it a fad because it sold really really well for four years that doesn't sound like a fad to me yeah right and in that fifth year they basically didn't release any games but Skyward Sword so it's like don't release any games people stop having a reason to buy the thing yeah so it's kind of like at least to me was it a fad was it not a fad and what I want to find out with switch is is it a fad is it something that people just thinks cool now and then the novelty wears off and then people realize oh there's nothing I want to play or there's more issues with the switch or you know this and that and you know Nintendo has enough bad announcements for it like that voice chat that ends up turning people off and I don't think voice chat the the wonkiness of it is going to make people not buy a switch specifically but it could turn off people from multiplayer games it could make it make a game like people say oh oh Call of Duty World War 2 gets announced but then but it has to use Nintendo's wonky voice chat setup and because it has to use that wonky voice chat setup people aren't gonna voice chat and it makes the game was popular in the switch that's a possibility so I guess my fear with that is just Nintendo loses track with what it has gained right now the switch right now is popular with adults very popular it is trending well and they are not they can screw it up is what I'm saying that's one of my greatest fears with Nintendo at the sea you know how they get screwed up multitude of things right now they have had the grab the attention of hipster adults everywhere from athletes to Karen people Karen it's just grab the attention to people and I fear that if Nintendo comes into this because there's motion controls they might be like oh we have Wii music too except it's switch music yeah we and Wii music was terrible so whoever thought there should be a sequel to that and then they come on they fix it even then it's so one of those things like the concept itself really wasn't that great and it doesn't appeal to the core audience or building with the system they come on say look remember we sports and we sport resort we have switch sports now because we have motion controls which I mean it'll be a fantastic game but like this is kind of it's kind of the attitude that like you built this up with we have this hardcore stuff so like the fear would be they don't announce the big third-party games they announce oh we we have Mario we have Xenoblade Chronicles 2 we have you know Fire Emblem Warriors and the new Fire Emblem game in 2018 we have these hardcore games that you already know about but all of our new announcements are a bunch of these casual style games that don't appeal to the core audience of the switch in the first place because they're like yeah well now that we got the core audience let's try to get all the Wii audience back and it's too I'm not saying that can't happen but it's too soon and you don't do it at E3 right you got to let the switch stand on what it is you can't all of a sudden try to make it the Wii you got to let it run right now on what it is and that's my fear because Nintendo is gonna Nintendo as they say definitely and you know that that phrase means they're gonna screw up something oh for sure at least that's their history the history says they don't do well with momentum and they have momentum now which means E3 could be the momentum killer and I don't want it to be no E3 should be the momentum affirmation it should be the it is justified why it's doing this well versus oh Breath of the Wild is one of the best games ever made the Mario Kart 8 is great but then people aren't gonna play anymore it should be the justification for everyone who bought a switch everyone who wants to buy a switch or even people who have been dissing on the switch thinking it's not all that this should be the E3 that justifies its place in the marketplace its point to exist and the audience that it's attracting and if it goes back to oh we're gonna try to get the casuals back in right now and that's gonna be our highlight of the show it is so out of touch because what Nintendo should have learned they tried it with Nintendo land at E3 2012 before the Wii U came out it didn't hit well and what it wasn't just because it was the big game they capped the show with terrible decision to do that whatever I would rather see them cap it with Super Mario 3D world which we already knew or new Super Mario World Wii U at the time sorry which we already knew about at least it's a game people actually might kind of care about versus Nintendo land which still wasn't explained very well didn't look that great it just was really weird it would be like Nintendo ending the Wii announcement with oh by the way we have Wii sports yeah people would have been like okay like I guess it kind of looks okay I what that's your big announcement for the system and Wii sports ended up being the biggest thing like the biggest thing for the system doesn't have to be what your big enough like if they have a new like switch sports it's okay to talk about that but that can't be your big announcement and your big announcements can't be games you already know about it can't be like yeah here's a bunch of new games and then all we're gonna do is talk about games you already know about like they have to have big core IP announcements and I fear that they're not gonna go that way they're not gonna do it they're gonna talk about the ones that they have and they're gonna talk about the ones they have they're gonna they're gonna start the show with the Mario with the Mario Odyssey teaser and the show with a full trailer of Mario Odyssey which means they're starting and closing the show with the exact same big game yeah that that's a fear of mine and that they are all the other big games we see are games we know about including now Mario and Rabbids because now you know it got leaked it is what it is it's a game we know about now it's not a big announcement anymore something we expect it'd be shocking to not see it actually that would be kind of an interesting it's intended to be like oh no not leaked we're not gonna show it now we're gonna stealth release it no press and then on top of all of that leading into the big hubbub that everything is going on the only games they announced are we sports and you know they a big announcement just dance 2018 like we know just answers coming just dance 2017 was on it was just dance 2018 is coming but that's your big announcements really yeah and that's a fear of mine that Nintendo is gonna lose sight of what they have they're gonna Nintendo and they're gonna rest on their laurels yeah and be good with what they have my fear is that Nintendo is gonna say we're not gonna support virtual console our online voice chat the way you saw it is the way it is period and a story you have to do it that way there is no options they are going to not announce any new exciting games for court for the nine court people just the people who bought the switch nothing they announced gonna excite them besides maybe some indie games that we're not gonna get any third-party big announcements like people are hoping and assuming we're gonna get a World War two Call of Duty announcement or that we might get an assassin's creed or we might get this might get that but there isn't a there isn't a history of that happening we might just not from Nintendo no no if it gets it if those kind of announcements are coming it's coming during Nintendo stuff that's the way the reason that Call of Duty has a history of when it gets announced for Nintendo platforms it gets announced after all the other platforms is because it gets announced when Nintendo wants it to get announced you know Nintendo they like to control the narrative very true sometimes to the positive sometimes the negative and that's kind of my fear is that Nintendo is gonna be almost so high on themselves that they're gonna forget what E3 is for yep see last year as strange as it was only a one game on the show floor and one game primarily focused on in your Treehouse and your digital event as strange as that was that one game is a game that hits with the people who care about E3 mm-hmm I'm hoping that last year was a wake-up called the Nintendo that look we didn't we won't boot through the show we won game with the show we won several awards for best online presentation because of a single game and yes not every game is gonna be as masterful as Breath of the Wild was but the point was is that it was a game that clicks with the people who watch E3 right who attend E3 E3 is a game it's a game it's a show for core gamers people who are really into like your hardcore video game people pay attention to E3 yes you have the New York Times there and you have you know some general media outlets that don't always come but when you see these big booths on you see these games I was there almost every game at E3 was games at hardcore gamers give a crap about right definitely yes there were a couple casual games here and there but those were like off to the tiny booths in the second room or like you're not even the second something all buried in the corner yeah all the big games that people are there to talk about or what what matter and if Nintendo forgets that if they revert back to yeah we got Super Mario Odyssey and that's our only big game that we're gonna have playable everything else is going to be you know a bunch of side dishes that's a worry I have that Nintendo isn't gonna learn from last year and realize no E3 isn't for those games you announce your Wii sports and your other titles at a different time use your Nintendo directs to do it right use you know you have other delivery methods at E3 focus on your core IP or even like I noticed like during their treehouses and stuff they were yeah though that's fine yeah like the side shows especially like on the third day when you know you know you're kind of stretching yourself for the hardcore content right throw in your your your switch sports and your whatever but for your spotlight event specifically for the half hour to an hour you have there you need to hit on what people want on the show floor you need to hit on what people want and what people want right now on the switch is hardcore video games so like feed into that audience give them what they want and I fear Nintendo is not going to do that because Nintendo is going to it feels like Nintendo writing as high as they are switches selling out their mobile games doing well maybe not as well as they want but they're still doing well Nintendo having really high profits their stock prices soaring best buy and target you know having this huge turnaround because of the switch everything is going right in terms of like financially for Nintendo with the switch that you know even critically with their games like everything is going right that I'm very scared the misstep is coming and this is going to be the misstep now is it going to prevent the switch from being a smashing success moving forward no one knows I can't predict that I can't predict that till I see how bad of a might be but that is my fear that Nintendo is about to Nintendo yeah and screw it all up and forget why people care about E3 in the first place and it's gonna be especially important they bring it this year because Microsoft is announcing or they've already not Scorpio but they're gonna show off Scorpio and they're gonna show a bunch of new games Sony's gonna show up and what's in new games and those conferences all happen before Nintendo even sees the day of light at E3 so they come after all the big boys hmm meaning they need to bring it all those big boys are gonna quickly overshadow anything Nintendo is doing you might not overshadow Mario Odyssey that might be it's one little shiny thing that's like breath of the wild that you aren't gonna overshadow that that kind of game entirely well no you're not especially when they had a big one oh giant painting and stuff yeah well yeah absolutely was like yes people are still gonna talk about Mario Odyssey but like that's it yeah and you know my fear is that there's that plus game delays I don't think Mario Odyssey is gonna get to leave but yeah yeah I know that's a legit fear like it could happen Nintendo's done this kind of thing before it happens I'm a Zelda fan I've how many delays a breath of the wild go through I mean I know it can happen and like a game I fears in all a game a lot of people assume is gonna be delayed Zeno by Chronicles 2 it was announced for this year we haven't heard anything since it was announced really mm-hmm people assume it's delayed I fear it's delayed too and not not delayed this thing is a bad thing but I think Nintendo's looking at the release site realizing like let's push out the 2018 which sucks because they promised it for this year it would be nice for Nintendo to actually release something when they promise they're gonna release it like on the switch it'd be nice for them to have a new attitude that hey look if we boldly set a year it's coming out that year right well and they announced it well they announced it this year though right they announced it this year and said it's coming this year so that means it had to be close enough to being done to have the confidence to say 2017 right I can understand maybe a couple weeks maybe a month maybe that's sort of December and right that's that's the post Mario Odyssey like people playing it and they're just starting to come down for them boom Chronicles 2 right before Christmas right um but I also would much rather have it sacrificed a little bit of time instead of you know gameplay yeah if it's not ready well yeah I don't really think I never want a game to come on if it's not ready I what I don't want to happen though is that it is ready but we're delaying it to make a better release right yeah that is yeah but you'll never but I will say that yeah well they're never gonna publicly admit that the game was ready and then they've elated that just doesn't happen but I also fear that they're gonna stick strictly to what they've said they said they're gonna talk about games releasing in 2017 my fear is that they are strictly gonna stick to that and we're not gonna hear about a single game in 2018 not Fire Emblem Warriors not Fire Emblem games two games that we know are announced for 2018 so not any of their announced 2018 games nor any new games for 2018 all we're gonna get is affirmation of what's happening this year and that's great even if there's a new surprise announcement which maybe that's what Mario Rabbis is supposed to be the big surprise announcement for this year yeah that's fine that's great that's dandy that doesn't give anybody any confidence in the system at 20 so we already know what's what we're getting essentially we don't know what these dates yeah well we have a pretty damn good idea what what's happening from from Nintendo side of things in 2017 they have a pretty packed slate of games what people want to know is after they get that Mario Odyssey is there anything that next or they wait until the following holiday again to get a big game because even though they might have fixed the droughts this year doesn't matter if you come back in 2018 with a long drought of big games yep you can't go more so more than three months without a big I argue I argue if you don't have a whole bunch of games coming out you can't go more than a month without it to be honest yeah because it'd be different if like the switch like you know people say only is two games they are you that means they're not counting Minecraft it means they're not counting you know arms coming out you know next month like a fine they don't want to count those both right now well fine be that way be that way yeah be that way but it but it's kind of like it only has two games only been on the market three months yeah great great how many major games are supposed to release in the first three months 10 12 well that's what I'm saying but if they had all the third-party support that is true they would have more and that's why I said like my fear is that that they're gonna chase away third parties to chase away a third party chase away everyone and they're not gonna talk about anything coming in 2018 and we're gonna get to a big gap in 2018 again that's a little way in the future but if they don't announce anything for 2018 or even if they do and it's just the stuff we know about already it's like okay yeah so after I'm out of see how long does it so fire on them right yeah well it's still just 2018 okay okay well so is there anything besides two fire alone games coming in 2018 oh you delayed soon to play Chronicles 2 okay so okay you have three games next year are those games coming up before E3 or after because we're there's no more E3 between now and then yeah you have Nintendo Direct's but okay yeah that that's could be a big mistake I think if Nintendo does not talk about any new games for 2018 that's why I said I think it's important for them to announce a game like Smash yeah Smash would would really make my day